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The Late Debate | 16 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, gentle man, well fa the wait to play. Well,
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  Speaker 1: good evening and thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson
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  Speaker 1: with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming up tonight. New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales schools will ditch their zero tolerance approach to
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  Speaker 1: bullies but offer them counseling rather than suspension. Is that
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  Speaker 1: a good idea or a soft approach that will only
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  Speaker 1: make things worse? Plus, the Trump administration in talks to
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  Speaker 1: take a man who burnt a koran as a refugee
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  Speaker 1: if a British court convicts him of breaking the law.
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  Speaker 1: And a block of flats built in the Italian city
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  Speaker 1: of Florence is so ugly a police investigation has been launched.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that shortly. But first, former
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  Speaker 1: US President Barack Obama says aliens are real, not the
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  Speaker 1: ones arriving undocumented from Mexico. He doesn't believe in those aliens,
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  Speaker 1: but et type aliens well, he didn't hesitate to affirm
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  Speaker 1: their existence when asked during a podcast interview at the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Are aliens real?
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  Speaker 2: They're real, but I haven't seen them and they're not
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  Speaker 2: being kept in fifty one. There's no underground facility unless
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  Speaker 2: there's this enormous conspiracy and they head it from the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United.
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  Speaker 3: States, what was the first question you wanted answered when
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  Speaker 3: you became president?
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  Speaker 2: Where are the aliens?
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. Obama says aliens are real, though
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  Speaker 1: he's not met any yet. Caleb, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Well, surely the next question should have been what do
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  Speaker 3: they look like? How do you know? How do you
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  Speaker 3: know that there are aliens? Because he's just said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're there, And my first question as president was where
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  Speaker 3: are the aliens? He said yeah, And I can't believe.
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  Speaker 3: The follow up question was not how do you know they?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I want to know. What evidence
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  Speaker 3: do they have somewhere in the US government that says
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  Speaker 3: aliens exist? Now? Do I believe that? Look, I suspect
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  Speaker 3: they're not little green men who are going to come
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  Speaker 3: down in flying sources and try to probe you. But
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  Speaker 3: surely there is some kind of life form somewhere else
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  Speaker 3: in the universe. I mean, it may be as small
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  Speaker 3: as some little organism.
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  Speaker 1: Now, but if you're talking about aliens, that doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: When you talk do you believe in aliens? Yes, they're real.
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  Speaker 1: We all know what he means, we mean an intelligent
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  Speaker 1: life form, not a bit of bacterial or elderly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, hence why I want to know how he knows
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  Speaker 3: that the Obama share your knowledge. You owe it to
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  Speaker 3: all of us to tell us, because if they're going
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  Speaker 3: to come and try and colonize the Earth, I want
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  Speaker 3: to know that that is coming. I mean, look, anything
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  Speaker 3: is possible. I suppose I've not seen any evidence of them,
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  Speaker 3: but you couldn't really discount the idea. But he is
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  Speaker 3: saying that he knows. Well.
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  Speaker 4: I was shocked to find out that fifty eight percent
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  Speaker 4: of astrobiology, so people who study biology in out of space,
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  Speaker 4: fifty eight percent think there are intelligent, complex life forms
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  Speaker 4: outside of Earth aka aliens. But the thing is, no
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  Speaker 4: one has ever been able to find any proof. So
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  Speaker 4: it's one of these things that statistically, is it likely
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  Speaker 4: that there are other life forms?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: The universe is a big place. Do most scientists think
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  Speaker 4: there are life forms?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: But has anyone found a shred of evidence?
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  Speaker 5: No? So where does that leave us?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they have and they're not telling us.
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  Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty one, Obama spoke to CNN and
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  Speaker 1: he said that there is no doubt. They've got footage
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  Speaker 1: and evidence of objects in the sky which they cannot
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  Speaker 1: identify and the movement of which they cannot explain. So
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  Speaker 1: he gave that in twenty twenty one, but he just
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  Speaker 1: didn't hesitate. That's what got me about Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he immediately said, yes, they're real. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: The follow up question would have shed some more light
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  Speaker 1: and is desperately need.
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  Speaker 3: But if someone has to follow this up now, like
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  Speaker 3: if he's saying I know they're there, we need to
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  Speaker 3: find out on what basis he knows they're there. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's to the point of the UFOs. And of course,
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  Speaker 3: you know, again we have this sort of science fiction
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  Speaker 3: idea of what a UFO is, whereas in fact, what
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  Speaker 3: the government would call a UFO is simply something in
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  Speaker 3: the sky that from the imagery they can't tell what
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  Speaker 3: it is. Half of the time. It's all taken on
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  Speaker 3: like the grainiest cameras you've ever known. Right, So they
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  Speaker 3: call them a UFO, but it doesn't mean it's full
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  Speaker 3: of Green Martians.
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  Speaker 4: Someone needs to ask Trump if he believes if there
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  Speaker 4: are aliens, because if anyone's going to give us a straight,
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  Speaker 4: unfiltered answer, it's Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 5: They need to ask him.
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  Speaker 1: The US military released some footage of purported UFOs a
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  Speaker 1: while back. Have a look, you have a.
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  Speaker 6: Look on the ff my god, oh going again? Hunts, Oh,
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  Speaker 6: my God.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the nineteen eighties, Ronald Reagan said that he
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  Speaker 1: would not be surprised if evidence for alien life was found.
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  Speaker 1: He also said that was his great hope for uniting
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  Speaker 1: the nations of the world, that if there was an
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  Speaker 1: alien invasion, that would be the one thing that could
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  Speaker 1: truly bring humanity together to oppose an invading force.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure about that, lie.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry that common enemies do tend to unite,
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  Speaker 4: but I think even if there is a alien life,
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  Speaker 4: it's very unlikely that we will hear anything from them.
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  Speaker 3: I think there probably is actually evidence of alien life.
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  Speaker 3: If you pay a visit to your local shopping scent
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  Speaker 3: of food court, you may be able to survey some
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  Speaker 3: of the alien life that has seemingly made it to
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  Speaker 3: this planet. And speaking of alien life, for certainly, the
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  Speaker 3: way they behave is somewhat alien to most of us. Bullies,
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  Speaker 3: particularly school bullies right now, I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 3: When you were at school, maybe you were the bullied,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe you were the bully. Thankfully I was neither.
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  Speaker 3: They sort of knew not to come after me. Not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily because I would have physically done anything to them,
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  Speaker 3: but I've always been known for an acid tongue. They
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  Speaker 3: were never quite gain to give it a go.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, Is that what got you bullied in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't get bullied.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Saying they weren't going to do it. Whatever they gave physically,
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  Speaker 3: I was going to give back to them in times
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  Speaker 3: more verbally. And well, you know they can't take it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and this is the problem with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of bullies. They have something going on inside of them
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  Speaker 3: that makes them lash out. But hitherto we've always thought
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  Speaker 3: that the way you deal with bullies is to punish them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's cause and effect. You've got to show
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  Speaker 3: the bully that you can't just go around bullying other kids.
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  Speaker 3: Right Well, now in New South Wales they say that's
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  Speaker 3: not the way to do things. In fact, they're getting
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  Speaker 3: rid of punishment as the first it's now the last resort.
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  Speaker 3: They say, instead, you should be counseling bullies. I go
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  Speaker 3: and ask a little Johnny of the thug if it
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  Speaker 3: would mind not being a bully for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 3: Here was the Education Minister of New South Wales prew Car,
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  Speaker 3: on sunrise this morning.
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  Speaker 7: This new framework that's been used at Hurstville and that
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  Speaker 7: we're rolling around the state will include punishment if it's
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  Speaker 7: at the very end and everything has been tried. But
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  Speaker 7: really it focuses on prevention. It focuses on making sure
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  Speaker 7: that we're explicitly teaching our young people how to emotionally regulate.
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  Speaker 3: Right, so they get punished at the very end once
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  Speaker 3: we've tried everything else. Now, I will accept that there
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  Speaker 3: are kids who probably bully to some degree because it's
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  Speaker 3: behavior that's been modeled to them, or they're lashing out
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  Speaker 3: because of something that goes on at home, but that
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  Speaker 3: does not mean that they get a free pass. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: if there's something else going on, you deal with that,
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  Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean you escape punishment. I mean, when
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  Speaker 3: people end up in court having committed a crime, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about bullying, let's say a violent crime, we
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  Speaker 3: don't often see the court say, oh, well, you know
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  Speaker 3: it had a hard childhood, why don't you just go
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  Speaker 3: and sort your stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's true, but you know, we don't often see
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  Speaker 3: them saying, look, we know you're knocked the blokeout cold,
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  Speaker 3: but it's been a hard life, so you can just
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  Speaker 3: get over it. Surely the same principle has to be
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  Speaker 3: applied with children. You do the wrong thing, you get
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  Speaker 3: punished for doing the wrong thing. And there are some
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  Speaker 3: parts of this policy I think reasonable. If a child
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  Speaker 3: is being bullied, the child under these provisions will be
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  Speaker 3: given more supervision. They'll be given the entitlement for somewhere
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  Speaker 3: they can get, like a safe space, you know, so
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  Speaker 3: they can get away from potential bullies. Schools will be
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  Speaker 3: mandated that they have to deal with complaints within two days.
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  Speaker 3: I think all of that is good, but this idea
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  Speaker 3: that counts is now the first order, and only if
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  Speaker 3: everything else does not work, do we deign to punish
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  Speaker 3: the bully. If the bully is essentially punishing the bully,
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  Speaker 3: which is what they're doing, why do they not also
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  Speaker 3: deserve punishment.
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  Speaker 1: The safe space thing annoys me because you shouldn't need
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  Speaker 1: somebody being bullied so badly that you're required to put
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  Speaker 1: in a safety plan for that student to avoid the bully. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the easiest safety the bulls to spend the bully, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so why should my child have to have a
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  Speaker 1: safety plan implemented for a kid who is harassing and
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  Speaker 1: bullying my child. Suspend that kid and if it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: change his behavior, expel. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I really wonder if the people who wrote this report
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  Speaker 4: have ever met a school bully. I mean, it makes
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  Speaker 4: it sound as though, I mean, and this is just
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  Speaker 4: the left's approach to justice in general. People who commit
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  Speaker 4: acts of violence or crimes or bullying, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: they're not doing it because, you know, maybe they just
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  Speaker 4: woke up that day and decided to be an idiot.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: No, they're clearly doing it because of broader structural factors,
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  Speaker 4: systemic oppression, all sorts of things other than that person's
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  Speaker 4: individual choice. It actually absolves the children of personal responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: I hate to break it to them, but when I
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  Speaker 4: was in school, there were certainly bullies, and most of them.
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  Speaker 4: Some of them did come from you know, average home backgrounds,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see how that would play a part
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  Speaker 4: in it.
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  Speaker 5: But a lot of them were just mean people.
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  Speaker 4: And if they had had the school stand up to
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  Speaker 4: them and put strict boundaries in place, sooner maybe their
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  Speaker 4: behavior would have stopped sooner.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I don't understand about this. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: reading the report right, this has been trialed in one
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  Speaker 1: school at Hurstville, Yeah, and now they're rolling it out
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  Speaker 1: right across the state. That seems to me to be unwise.
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  Speaker 1: One school trial that was successful, I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: evidence that it should be applied everywhere. Maybe tried in
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  Speaker 1: five schools or ten schools and see if you can
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  Speaker 1: replicate the results. But to do it in one place
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  Speaker 1: and then say everyone has to do it seems a
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  Speaker 1: little unwise.
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  Speaker 4: So my other question here is the public school system
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  Speaker 4: is constantly complaining about how they do not have enough
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  Speaker 4: school counselors. This is a common concern that has been
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  Speaker 4: raised over and over. You've got one counselor for every
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  Speaker 4: thousand students. They're constantly run off their feet, they have
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  Speaker 4: no resources. So now you're saying these school counselors who
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  Speaker 4: are already, according to their own teachers' unions and their
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  Speaker 4: own teachers, under resourced, understaffed, overworked. Now they're going to
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  Speaker 4: be the ones that have to manage bullying as well
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  Speaker 4: and counsel every single child that is accused of bullying kids?
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  Speaker 5: How is this workable?
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing I found somewhat confusing about it
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  Speaker 3: is that they say a major plank of this new
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  Speaker 3: policy stopping bullying before it starts. Great. I mean, yep,
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  Speaker 3: if we can stop the bullying before it starts, you've
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  Speaker 3: got zero bullying. I'm all on board with that. But
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  Speaker 3: having established so, presumably that means you are teaching these
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  Speaker 3: kids explicitly the sort of behaviors that are acceptable and
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  Speaker 3: that are not acceptable, the inclusion of other students in
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  Speaker 3: the school yard, and all these sorts of things. So,
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  Speaker 3: having given this explicit instruction to those kids so they
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  Speaker 3: know exactly what the standard is, we've made the effort
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  Speaker 3: to stop the bullying before it starts, we now say
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  Speaker 3: that we'll be more forgiving if you actually go on
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  Speaker 3: to do that behavior. Surely we should be less forgiving
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  Speaker 3: because you should be very clear now on what the
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  Speaker 3: standard is.
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  Speaker 1: And of course they want to teach students to regulate
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  Speaker 1: their emotions. When I saw that, I thought, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: the job of parents? But then I remembered what it's
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  Speaker 1: like to try and get a car park in a
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  Speaker 1: school car, And clearly parents are not teaching their kids
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  Speaker 1: to regulate emotions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Well, some people we should also be a
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  Speaker 4: little less leaning on and a bit harsher with perhaps
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  Speaker 4: to regulate their emotions, and perhaps they also need to
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  Speaker 4: regulate their emotions. Is the Liberal Party no no, sorry
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  Speaker 4: migrants who come to this country and who don't adopt
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  Speaker 4: our values. In a leaked plan that apparently came from
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  Speaker 4: Susan Lee's office, they have outlined a bunch of countries
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  Speaker 4: and areas that under a Lee government would have been
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  Speaker 4: designated as terrorist controlled areas and anybody coming from those
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  Speaker 4: zones would be banned or have their visas heavily scrutinized.
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  Speaker 4: Another plank of the leaked policy was that they were
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  Speaker 4: going to make the values statement that all visas actually
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  Speaker 4: have to subscribe to about Australian values of equality, before
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  Speaker 4: the law, democracy, etc. They would actually make that enforceable
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  Speaker 4: for every class visa, including short term arrivals, and then
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  Speaker 4: they would cut net overseas migration down to one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and seventy thousand people per year.
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  Speaker 5: But what's interesting about this is that.
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  Speaker 4: It's clearly an inside Lee that's come from Susan Lee's offers.
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  Speaker 4: I think it raises a lot of questions about why
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  Speaker 4: what was motivating the league, and to be very frank
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  Speaker 4: it has put a bit of a spanner in the
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  Speaker 4: works of Angus's three day old leadership because all of
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  Speaker 4: the headlines today were dominated by this plan, which wasn't his.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, his sentiment is very similar
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  Speaker 5: to what's in the plan. He was him this morning.
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  Speaker 8: We're talking about people who don't accept the most basic
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  Speaker 8: beliefs that have made us successful as a country. And
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  Speaker 8: we believe in democracy. We believe that you need to
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  Speaker 8: obey the law. We believe in basic freedom of speech
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  Speaker 8: and religion, and if people don't accept those things, they
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  Speaker 8: shouldn't come to our country.
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  Speaker 3: The door should be shut.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that is a pretty non controversial statement.
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  Speaker 1: Can I jump in for a second though, So I
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  Speaker 1: agree with all of that, right, but who is going
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  Speaker 1: to come to this country and write on their form
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with democracy, I don't agree with women's rights.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's all very nice to say, But who's he
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  Speaker 1: talking about and how do we identify these people?
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  Speaker 4: Well, a surprising amount of people, I think it's like
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  Speaker 4: thirty percent do actually fail the values section on the
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  Speaker 4: citizenship test.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many g gooys?
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  Speaker 3: Do you get it?
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  Speaker 5: Doing it a lot?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So these are the people, These people who've been here
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  Speaker 4: for you know, five years, got permanent residency and still
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  Speaker 4: can't tell you is it okay to beat your wife sometimes?
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  Speaker 4: Always or never? Like those are the kinds of questions
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  Speaker 4: on this test. But what frustrates me about this is
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  Speaker 4: Susan Lee. When she gave her speech resigning, she said,
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  Speaker 4: I want to give the next leadership team clear air,
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  Speaker 4: the clear air that I didn't have. Okay, day three
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  Speaker 4: into Angus Taylor's leadership and people in your office are
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  Speaker 4: leaking this is that really providing clear air?
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  Speaker 3: Well, do we know it's from her office or could
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  Speaker 3: it or allies of hers could potentially be involved.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem. Right, Even if it
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  Speaker 3: came from Mislee, or it came from her office, or
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  Speaker 3: it came from her allies, if the objective was to say, well, look,
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  Speaker 3: we were going to deal with this migration thing anyway,
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  Speaker 3: surely the first point is why did you sit on
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  Speaker 3: it for so long?
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  Speaker 1: It straight after the Bondi Terra policy exists.
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  Speaker 3: Why, I mean, this has been such a large part
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  Speaker 3: of the malaise that has hit the Liberal Party since
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  Speaker 3: the federal election is that when Muslee became leader, she
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  Speaker 3: came out and said everything is on the table. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to have root and branch. We're going to go
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  Speaker 3: back and discuss every single policy. Everything is up for discussion.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to come up with a new platform. And
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  Speaker 3: then we got, you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine
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  Speaker 3: months down the line, and there wasn't a lot of
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  Speaker 3: solid policy to demonstrate, and they had this protracted carry
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  Speaker 3: on about near zero and finally got somewhere on that
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  Speaker 3: and then were promised there there's something coming on immigration.
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  Speaker 3: There's something coming, but like, it's no point having something coming.
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  Speaker 3: You know, by the time May comes, it'll be a
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  Speaker 3: year since they were re elected. You have to be
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  Speaker 3: on the ball, and they simply weren't on the ball.
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  Speaker 3: So if the objective is to say, well, we had
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  Speaker 3: the policy, the problem is it wasn't out there. We
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  Speaker 3: haven't been able to talk about it. Sure it's been
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  Speaker 3: smoked out now, but if it existed and no one
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  Speaker 3: was doing anything about it, that's why we've ended up
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  Speaker 3: in this position. And that's why particularly you're seeding votes
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  Speaker 3: to one nation, which is by and larger party that
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  Speaker 3: talks about immigration and they're sitting on a policy.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: It just shows how bad Susan Lee's political judgment was.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: That she waited until she'd been removed as leader to
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: find the release through immigration policy not really smart. But
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: what was interesting to me is that Paul Scarr and
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: John o'dunneham both ran a million miles away from this policy.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why they would do that. It's pretty
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: clear that Australians want a very strong stance taken on immigration.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: You've just had an alleged Islamist terror attack. Why would
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: they run from this? Why wouldn't they say, well, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: we'll come up with our policy, but this is the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: sort of thing we need to do. What's wrong with
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: saying regions that are dominated by extreme Islamists are closed
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to migrants coming to this country? Why would they run
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: from that? Yeah?
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: I mean credit to Susan's team.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I actually think this is a brilliant policy and Angus
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Taylor should just run with it. I think probably what
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: was going through Paul scar and John o'dunniam's mind was
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: where the Home Affairs and shadow Immigration ministers we haven't
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: seen this yet. The papers are reporting this is coming
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: from us. Clearly it hadn't. It also hadn't been through
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Shadow Cabinet, so that's a massive process of this policy
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: simply hadn't even gone through Shadow Cabinet, hadn't even met
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: since pre Bondai. So it does make you wonder was
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: this policy actually ready to go. It's one thing to
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: have formulated the policy and written it down. It's another
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: to have jumped through all of the internal hoops, gotten
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the shadow ministers on board, gotten it approved by Shadow cabinet,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and this was still a while after.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Can I just not as well? All the headlines today,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: most of the reporting about this story has been about
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the countries from which people may have been banned from coming,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: no discussion basically about numbers really, and yes there is
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a place for a discussion about where migrants come from,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: but largely the issue we have to deal with first
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: is how many people we are letting into this country,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: because that's what's feeding into cost of living and all
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: those other things. And so it's all good, well, if
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: they're now saying we're going to run with this, it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: all good and well to talk about countries where we're saying, well,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you can't come from there, and that might stop a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: number of people who don't adheit to our values coming
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: to our country. But the broader issue we need to
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: talk about is mass migration and the number of people
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: who are coming into this country, because if if you
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: don't deal with that, you're not dealing with the issue
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: of immigration.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Well, talking of dealing with the issue of illegal immigration,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has been doing just that, not without a
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: fair bit of controversy. But I want to show you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: comments from Hillary Clinton. She was speaking at a conference
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in Germany. Have a listened to what she said about
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: how illegal immigration had been dealt with prior to Donald Trump.
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: More people were deported under my husband and Barack Obama,
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: without killing American citizens and without putting children into detention
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: camps than were in the first Trump term or this
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: first year of Trump's second term.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So there's a couple of points there. Firstly, she's boasting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that Clinton and Obama deported more than Trump, which would
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: seem to be an argument for Trump to deport even
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: more than he currently is.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Deportations are good, to which are we say?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I agree with the Hillary good cold But as first
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: saying that they did all of that without Ice killing
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: anybody of course, who was at Renee Good and Alex
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Petty were killed by ICE agents. Well, that could have
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: been because when Clinton and Obama were deporting illegals, they
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: didn't have Republicans declaring sanctuary cities, they didn't have paid
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: protesters obstructing ICE agents, and they didn't have the Republicans
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: telling everybody that ICE agents were basically the Gestapo and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they should be opposed. So it was a very different environment.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: The rancid environment that Trump has had to deal with
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: has been created by Clinton's supporters.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Exactly right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't understand what points she is trying
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: to prove. At what point she thinks she's proving here
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: all she has proven too soft on the Yeah, Trump's too,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: but also exactly that that it is the left, it
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: is the Democrats that have whipped up such a frenzy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: When the ICE agents were in Minnesota, they had teams
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: of people of professional protesters and riders that would roam
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the city, harass ICE agents, go to their hotels, try
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: to assault them with vehicles, blow whistles, anytime there were anywhere,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: alert illegal migrants throughout the city. And then on top
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: of that, the state law enforcement basically refused to cooperate
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: with them. I mean, the Ice ICE in the US
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: is facing unimaginably difficult conditions, conditions that you're exactly right, James,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: were not faced by ICE under the Democrats because back
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: then border protection was a bipartisan policy. Now the Democrats
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: have gone off to la la land and think they're
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: going to win votes from illegal migrants at some point
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: down the line, which they probably will, and so they're
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: doing everything in their power to obstruct ICE.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely well, there's no other reason that this is all happening,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: because ICE is being put in positions that it has
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: not been put in before. I'm curious, though, about the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: signaling you're getting from a senior Democrat coming out and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: publicly saying we had more deportations under Democrat administrations than
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: there have been under Trump administrations. Could it be that
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: they're looking at internal polling coming up to midterms that
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: says we're in a bit of strife here and we
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: need to give a bit more of a look that
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you know, we're a bit more moderate than some people
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: think we are. I mean, why else would you see
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: someone like Hillary Clinton out to say, actually, where the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Party of deportations, because it's a huge difference compared to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: what you've generally heard. It's a huge difference, of course,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: compared to what the Biden administration was doing when they
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: basically opened the border to Mexico. And the other thing
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: everyone else forgets is this whole business of building the wall,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: which was so contentious in Trump's first term. They all
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: started under Obama. In fact, I think it was co
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: owned by Chuck Schumer. When they started that, he didn't
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: say building the wall, as Donald Trump used to say,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: but they were building board defenses and that was an
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Obama policy. And then when Trump simply beefed it up
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a bit and said build the wall, they all turn
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: and said, oh, yeah, you can't do that. It's terrible,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: it's racist, like this used to be Democrat policy, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: there's Hillary Clinton to Jaday.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I just hope Australian politicians are watching what's happening in
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the US. And obviously it's a very different scale, but
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I think we've got something like, is it like one
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand failed asylum seekers still in this country who
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: are supposed to be gone but are still here. It's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: one of those situations where something so small we won't
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: worry about it until it becomes so big it's impossible
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to deal with. And I think it's a good lesson
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to Australian authorities deal with the situation here with people
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: who should not be in this country, start to move
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: them out, because if you let it grow, you get
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to a point where it becomes so contentious, almost tired.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And of course one of the main reasons they're here
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: for so long is that they have their asylum application
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: denied and then they go off here caught and it
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: goes to court forever. Another asylum seeker who is going
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: through the court system at the moment, though for very
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: different reasons, as a man in the UK by the
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: name of Hamid Koskin. Now you might remember his case.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: We talked about it last year Junal July of last year.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: He was convicted in a court in Britain of what
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: they called a religiously aggravated public order offense, which was
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that he, a turkish Man who is an asylum seeker
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: in the UK, went outside the Turkish embassy and burnt
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a copy of the Qur'an. Now he ended up as
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: an asylum seeker in the UK because he said that
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: his family home was destroyed by Islamists in Turkey, so
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: he gets asylum to the UK. You can understand why
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: he may have some issues with Islam. So he goes
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: out the front of the Turkish embass and holds what
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: he considers to be a form of protest, presumably about
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: what happened to him. So he burt a copy of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the Koran and shouted some obscenities. Right, so the police
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: come and arrest him. Now, look, you might say you're
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: disturbing the peace fair enough, they might say you shouldn't
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: start fires in public, fair enough. But they then take
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: it further and charge him with this religiously motivated offense.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: He was convicted of that six or seven months ago.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: He then appealed that conviction and had it overturned. Then
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the prosecutors have appealed that. So it's now going up
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: all the way to the High Court. This will be
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: ruled on in the next couple of weeks, and the
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: US is now saying that if the High Court finds
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: that he did in fact commit a religiously aggravated public
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: order offense, then they may well offer him asylum in
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the United States. He is the Vice President JD. Vance.
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: The threat that I worry the most about visa Europe
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: external actor. And what I worry about is the threat
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: from within the retreat of Europe from some of its
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: most fundamental values, values shared with the United.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: States, values like free speech, that clearly in this case
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: are not being applied as I say. You know, if
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: it's causing a fire in a public place, you've got
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: an argument for that. But what we're essentially talking about
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: here is a blasphemy law that you if you specifically
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: burn a religious book as opposed to any other book,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that that is a higher order of offense and that
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you must be in trouble specifically for that. That is
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: a free speech issue. Why is he not within his
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: rights to burn any book he deems fit, for whatever
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: purpose he deems fit.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Question, what is more outrageous that he burned a Koran
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and offended some Muslims or that to this day he
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: remains in protect in a safe house because it's not
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: safe for him in the UK, having now a reputation
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: for burning of Kuran. That's the thing that if I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was the British authorities, I would be concerned about the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: issue is not that a book was burned. The issue
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is that now he's in hiding for his life because
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: And no religion, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, no religion should have
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: that kind of protection where you can't burn books, as
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: distasteful and as horrible as that is. And that is
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: what the judge who overturned the initial conviction said. You know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: it might be horrible, it might be reprehensible, but that
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: is free speech. I think it was George Brandis said,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: you have a right to be a bigot. That is
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: what free speech involves. And actually the initial offense this
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: man was charged with was harassing the religious institution of Islam.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: How do you harass a religious institution. It's not a person.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Christianity is not a person, Islam is not a person.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: So they're saying by you can harass an institution, that
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: is by definition resurrecting blasphemy laws that the UK abolished
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: back in two thousand and eight. This is a very
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: dangerous path for the Western world to go down.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: And also the.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Fact that the public prosecution is spending taxpayer resources trying
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: to go after a refugee who fled Islamic extremism going
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: after him for protesting against it in the UK's a joke.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And the fine he got for doing it was about
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: two or three hundred pounds, right and forty pounds, So
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: he's appealed it on principle and then the prosecution has gone.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Now we just really have to make the point on
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: principle ourselves that it's awful to do such a thing,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: which means they really want to make the point the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: free speech is not allowed in the.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: UK, but he really wants to make the point that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it is his right absolutely burn whatever book he wants
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: because he dismist that if he is a xonerated, he
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: will continue burning Qurans to make his points. So the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: British authorities have got to sort of work out what
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: do we do with this guy, because he's going to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: be a problem for them either way.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well they have to protect him, and look, if
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: he starts to GoFundMe for his security, I'll donate to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: it because I do genuinely worry for his safety. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: we should note that as he burnt the Quran, someone
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: actually came at him with a knife and that person
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: was then convicted and given a suspended person.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Now, the other thing we ought not to forget when
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: we're discussing these things is all of this in the UK,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: at least, I think goes back to Selman Rush. Do
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you remember that? And he wrote a book called The
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Satanic Verses and there was a Fatois issue against him
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and he had to go into hiding and British authorities
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: pretty much said nothing we can do about it. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: from that moment until now, it's become incredibly dangerous to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: criticize Islam within the UK. And so it's another lesson
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of if you don't nip things in the early you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: end up with consequences that nobody ever foresaw and it
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: becomes so big that, gee, how do you unwind this thing?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: And even if you have free speech technically under the law,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: if someone is fearing for their life and receiving death
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: threats for exercising that freedom of speech, do you.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Really have it?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: The UK needs to stand up for its citizens' rights. Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: let's move on now. A scientist from Norway was determined
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: to prove that the Havana syndrome, which is this mysterious
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: sickness being reported by US diplomats. It started at the
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: embassy in Cuba back in twenty sixteen and now has
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: been reported by US spies and diplomats in fifteen countries.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: It's where people get dizziness and headaches and vertigo. Well,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: he was determined to prove that it was fake. It
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: didn't come from one of these discombobulator machines that lets
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: out sonic waves, and it was all just made up.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: So he got one of these machines and tested it
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: out on himself and gave himself brain damage. It sounds
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: funny until you realize it is gravely serious because the
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: US government to this day has said those reports of
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: sicknesses at embassies and the like were just accidents and
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: there was no link between any of them. But Donald
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Trump also gave us another hint that the US themselves
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: may now have one of these machines.
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: I talked about the weapon, the discombobulator.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Discombobulate.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not allowed to talk about it, but what
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: is that?
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Let me just tell you know what it does.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: None of their equipment work.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: That's what it does.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Everything was how does it is?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It was my name.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I'm very proud of the name.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Everything was discombobulated.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: You know, practically a shot wasn't you know? They were
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: ready right, and when we came.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: I mean you saw this on the vig you could
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: tell it discombobulated everything.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: And there are some reports that the US may have
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: used this in Venezuela, and that's how Maduro's security team
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: is unable to fire any weapons, and guards have reported
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: nose bleeding and vomiting, which would be consistent with one
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: of these machines.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: But I mean, the poor Norwegian scientists I'm trying.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: To work out, like, here's a guy who says to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: his mate, Hey, I've invented a microwave without a door
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: in the shape of a gun.
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: Brain damage before he props to the guy he's doing
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: his bit for science and he's putting himself in harm's way.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, they should just pay his bills for life
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: doing the work that no one else is willing to do.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But to be quite serious, and the discombobulator whatever it
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: actually is, scene and reported in so that that was
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: February when Trump was saying all that. Scene in and
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: reported in January that the US has been experimenting with
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: some such device a year. They don't know how they
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: got hold of it, but they have either bought one aliens.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's all coming together.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: They got their hands on one of these devices and
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: had been been playing around with it. Because most of
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the time when these have been used, it has been
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: on US agents and diplomats and stuff. So if you're
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: very curious about what's going on, So it opens up
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the possibility if the US now has a device and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: they are using it. We know it's been used against
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: well we presume has been used against US in Cuba
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: and other parts of How many countries or agencies, biancies
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: or whatever have got their hands on these things and
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: what could they actually do with them? I mean, if
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: this stuff is causing brain damage and all sorts of
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: awful headaches and things that go on for ages, like
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: what happens when they decide to turn this on the citizenry?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Like it's crazy?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Many would argue it's already been used on our parliamentarians.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe it could be used on some of our parliamentarians.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: It might help fix them up a little bit.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If you're going to Europe, Florence
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, Europe is known for its beautiful architecture Florence
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in particular, which makes this next story particularly interesting. There's
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: been a building built in the city of Florence so
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: ugly that police have actually launched an investigation to find
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: out how on earth was this thing ever approved. We'll
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: show you some photographs of what locals are calling the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Black Cube. It looks much like a giant storage shed
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: in the middle of Florence. It provides one hundred and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: fifty short term rentals, and locals are convinced someone must
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: have been bribed to rig planning and zoning laws to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: allow this monstrosity to have been built. Now that investigation
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is continuing, I don't know what the result will be,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: but I wonder if this was a brilliant marketing ploy
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: because you could advertise by a unit in the Black Cube,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and it provides you with the only view of Florence
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that doesn't include the Black Cube. That's not.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Except you have to live in an absolute dump that
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the police will probably say has to be raised now anyway,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you take away a city's heritage, you
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: take away a city's soul. And we have to be
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: very careful about these things, particularly in our cities as well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, you walk through Melbourne, you walk through Sydney,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you walk through Adelaide, what are the buildings you look
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: at and go hmm. That makes me feel good. It's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: nothing that was built in the last forty years, right,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: or the last fifty years. It is colonial architecture. It's
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: stuff that they actually put some effort into. It is
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the heritage of our cities. But I'll take this thing
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and raise your one. Take a look at this. They
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: put this up in Adelaide nearly a decade ago. That's
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: a student accommodation building. It has no car parks, it
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: has no balconies. It looks like a big lab of
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: concrete that they just sort of punctured some holes in
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and said I will shove some glass in there. It
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: is absolutely dead awful. I wrote at the time in
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: the Advertiser that it was the architectural equivalent of a
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: dog tud because you're going for a walk along the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: street and then you step in a dog tured and
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: it rather ruins your day. And it's the same when
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you look up and you see that stuff. And I'm
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: sure that's how the people Florence feel as well when
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: they're walking on what a wonderful scene and they.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: See that, you know, it's horrible.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: And the thing is, we're wealthier now than we ever
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: have been. We've got more resources. Yet the stuff we
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: build is worse quality. It's flimsy, it falls over, it cracks.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: We used to build in actual brick and stone, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: it's hideous.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: You would think with all of our money and.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Disposable income, we could put some effort into esthetics.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: But it's like they want to make us depressed.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Because if you feel like you live in a concrete
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Soviet Goolag twenty four to seven, you start to feel
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: like that on the inside as well.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I'm convinced it's deliberate, and I would implore anyone at
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: home to go and read so Roger Scrutin's writings on
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: architecture if you want to understand what this has done
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: to Boodle.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: including school teachers wanting to work from home. I'm not
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: sure how that's going to work. We'll look at it
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: after the break. Well, welcome back to the program. Let's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: take a look at what's making headlines. Tomorrow, so you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: hear it all here. First, we'll start with the Adelaide Advertiser.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: They've got a big news story on the front page.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Gus grand charge reads the headline bombshell arrest of missing
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: boys grandma on gun offenses. The story reads that police
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: yesterday that would be today, swooped on the grandmother of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: missing four year old Gus Lamont and charged her with
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: firearm offences. A stern faced Josie Murray drove away from
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Peterborough Police station after being granted bail for the offenses,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: which police said were unrelated to the miss person's case.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Police yesterday returned to the property where Gus vanished and Josie,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: a transgender woman, lives. Of course, Gus went missing in
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: September of last year. Police have said there's three theories.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Either he wandered off, was abducted, or his disappearance has
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to do with someone he knows, and they've said there's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: no evidence that he wandered off or was abducted, so
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: they're working on the fact that it is a criminal case.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: They've ruled out mum and dad, but investigations are continuing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: As I said, this gun offence not linked to the disappearance,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: but not something that I think anyone saw coming in
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this case.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: And I think these charges have come about in the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: process of the investigations that they've been conducting into Gus's case,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and they've come across this in the meantime and saw
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: fit to do something about it. But I just hope
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: they can get to the bottom of what happened to
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: little Gus, because I mean, imagine, as a parent your
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: son disappearing and having no idea what happened.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Completely a tragedy in Harold's son tomorrow A shocking headline.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Killer transfer warning. This is an exclusive. Authorities ignored plea
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: not to move trans murderer into women's prison over fears
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: they'd sexually assault female inmates. Prison authorities were warned not
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: to transfer a transgender murderer to a women's jail amid
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: fears they would sexually assault another prisoner if moved.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: The Harold Son can reveal.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Senior prison staffers alerted authorities the killer Clinton Rontual pictured
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: who who would pose an unacceptable risk to female prisoners.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: High level discussions about the transfer placed all focus on
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Rintle's gender preference, with no regard for female prisoner safety.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: It has been alleged it took just two months for
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Rental to offend against a vulnerable female prisoner after their
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two transfer. Is just a shocking case one
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: that this transfer was ever allowed to happen. You should not,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: under any circumstances have biological men in female prisons. But
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: now to learn that they were warned from prison staffers
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: that this prisoner would pose a risk to female inmates,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: and they did it anyway, focusing entirely, it's all alleged
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: entirely on the convicted killer's gender preference head of the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: safety of everyone else in the prison. That is disgraceful.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: The fact that this person was deemed a risk just
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: didn't fit with the government's ideology, did it, And the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: government ideology was at that time. I think they've since
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: changed it a little bit, finessed it little as much
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: as they should have, But at the time gender consideration
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: was to be the main consideration when determining where someone
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: should be in prison.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: It's just flabbergesting. If you receive that report that said
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: this person Rintle is a possible danger, and then someone
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: else slipped you the little note that says okay, just
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: sign off so we can send him off to the prison.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I just would have gone like that happens. It simply
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: should not happen. And I've read the new guidelines that
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: were released last month. A ninety percent of it talks
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: about how vulnerable transgender people are in prison and we
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: must care for them, etc. There would be three or
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: four paragraphs in the whole thing that talk about the
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: safety of other prisoners. So that tells you still very
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: much where their heads are at on these birds.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: And it's also worth mentioning on the bottom of the
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Herald Sun tomorrow.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Clive Palmer is.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Back with his ads, not just in the Harold Sign
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: but in every News Corp paper this time. You'll remember
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: last time he said the Liberals couldn't make an impression
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: on a cushion. Well now he's saying, congratulate Angus Taylor,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: captain of the Titanic. Really optimistic note from Clive there.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And what's in school, Clive rebuilding the Titanic?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I know, yeah, let's do the school students.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: You've got that story as well.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, teachers in work from home at push Victoria's
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Teachers Union has urged a trial of four day working
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: week As the Allen government pushes ahead with its plan
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: to legislate work from home, the union's model would expand
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: working from home options for teachers while keeping students at
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: school five days a week.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Well, how's that going to work?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Magnificent?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Good's that?
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: So the kids have to trudge into school every day
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: and the teachers get to stay at home one day
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: a week. Surely that's that. You'll get a revolt from
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: the kids. Work.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: So you want to know how bad math is in school? Well,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that's evidence, I know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: But like the kids will revolt if they are told
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the teachers get to stay at home on.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Friday, but you've got to go in. I don't know.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: You have student free days, you have a teacher free day.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: They could fly.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to end. Well, who's going
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: to supervise the classroom anyway?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: On the buoys?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Put them in charge, just give them a bit of
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: counsel at a little bit on the front of the
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Townsville bulletin tomorrow exclusive yarn here chilling CCTV shows the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: moment heavily armed intruder's storm at Townsville property. Suburban shootout
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: captured CCTV has revealed the moment a Townsville suburb became
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: a battlefield as a homeowner traded shots with masked gunman.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Terrifying security footage released following the sentencing of Nathaniel James
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Saylor shows the moment a vehicle arrived before a group
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: of masked, heavily armed figures laid siege to the property.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And you can see it is small, but on the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: bottom left hand side of the front page. There there
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: it is expanded for you. That's the homeowner on the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: on the left hand side getting the pistol out and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: firing back at them. Now, I'm not sure the exact
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: details of how all of this came to be, but
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you can't blame If you were in that situation, was
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: going for your house and you had a gun, you'd
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: probably do the same thing, wouldn't you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's crazy, incredible photos on the front page of
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's townswill Bolton. We're going to go to a break
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: when we come back. Tony Abbott's budgy smugglers were auctioned
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: at the weekend and one member of the late debate
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: one of us bid on those budgy smugglers. Will reveal
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: who it was after the break, guys, jab not me.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Well, let's get into our
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: favorite segment, time of the day, and tonight's dope of
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the day is an Amazon driver in the UK who
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: drove his delivery van straight into the Thames Estuary near
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Essex because he was following his GPS and that's where
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it told him to go. He had to abandon his
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: vehicle when the tide row as you can see there,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: but the parcel was no doubt left in a secure
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: place for the person who was waiting it. You know
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: how he got the job because during the interview he said,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: if you give you this job, I promise I will
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: go the extra mile.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Well and hell or higher water?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Very good?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm sorry, does it not sort of occur
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to you when you're driving down that little path directly
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: towards the river that maybe this is not where I
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: should be? And what I'm then more confused about is
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: that clearly when he got there it was not high tide.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: How long has he sat there in the van before
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: the tide comes in or was he bogged?
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I did read about that particular waterweight when the tide
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: comes in. They say the tide comes in and you
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: can run.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Wow, I guess it got.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: One of the dangers of Google Maps well last weekend.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's not the danger of Google Map. It's the
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: danger of people who don't look at.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Them they see.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: If you follow Google Maps and exact bloody brain, I
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: will probably.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Drive off a clear.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: The river.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Anyway, last weekend down in Melbourne was the Federal Young
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Liberal Convention and there was an auction to raise money
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: for the Young Liberal movement, and highest selling item were
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: a pair of Tony Abbots budgy smugglers signed unconfirmed if
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: they were used or not. But these budgy smugglers went
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: for a whopping seven hundred dollars and how do you know, Freyer,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I may or may not have placed a bid on them.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I was in fact outbid, which was terribly sad, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I now regret that deeply because I think these would
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: be worth easily two three grand in a couple of years.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: So I just want to be clear. You bid on
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Tony ebbits underwear and you now deeply regret not buying
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Tony Ebbitts underwear.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was I actually it was a good investment.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I think it totally would be a good investment. I mean,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: that is a piece of history right there.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: What did the bidding start at? I'm curious two hundred.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I think, well, there weren't that many bids there. If
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it went from two hundred and was sold at seven,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: ran up.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: In fifty dollars increments. No, it was a fun weekend.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Also, a copy of Scott Morrison's memoir Plans Feel Good
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: went for two hundred dollars, but far less exciting.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Look, I need to look into this money for selling
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: your underwear. So if you're interested in purchasing mine, Caleb
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: dot Bond anyway, I'm not going to see you by
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: bloody underwear. You have to pay a lot more than
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: seven hundred dollars. I have to tell you before we
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: go tonight. I just think this tortoise is so badass.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: This tortoise has a fire in his home essentially, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: watch him just saund her away. Or this was in California.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I've seen some people saying on now online that perhaps
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the tortoise did an insurance job. Are given how calm
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: she seems to be. They're not known for moving fast,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: but had the presence of mine to say the joints
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: on far are got to get out of here.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say after that. I think
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: we just closed the show fair enough, there you go,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: all right, well it's the ground coming up is the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: read a penny show. That's only just a moment. Good night,