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Coaching Strategies from Jim Larranaga · A Quick Timeout

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Today's guest is a former National College Coach of the Year
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Award winner.
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SPEAKER_00: Over the course of his career,
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SPEAKER_00: he won more than 700 games,
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SPEAKER_00: including leading two separate programs to the Final Four.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach Jim Laranega, welcome to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, Tony.
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SPEAKER_01: How are you?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to be on your show.
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SPEAKER_00: It's great to have you on here.
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SPEAKER_00: This is final four and national championship weekend.
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Was there anything going through that first final four run with
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George Mason that
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SPEAKER_00: caused you to do differently the second time around with Miami?
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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I think the unusual thing about the two teams that we took to
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the final four,
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SPEAKER_01: our tallest starter at George Mason was only six foot seven.
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SPEAKER_01: So the starting lineup was six feet, 6'2", 6'4", 6'5", 6'7".
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SPEAKER_01: And our Miami team was even shorter.
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SPEAKER_01: Our tallest starter was 6'5".
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So we had small teams that had to play a certain way to
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accomplish what we did
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because we were playing against teams that were often much
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bigger than us.
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SPEAKER_01: In 2006, we had to beat Michigan State, who was much bigger.
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SPEAKER_01: Carolina with Tyler Hansborough, much bigger than us.
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SPEAKER_01: And then Wichita State and Connecticut, and Connecticut was gigantic.
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SPEAKER_01: Their starting front court was 6'9", 6'10", 6'11".
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SPEAKER_01: But the way we played the game allowed us to score very efficiently
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And then we just had to bust our tail on defense and,
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and figure out a way to help each other.
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SPEAKER_01: And that took a great team effort as well.
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SPEAKER_00: I know the final four week itself comes with media obligations,
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SPEAKER_00: ticket requests,
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SPEAKER_00: other distractions.
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SPEAKER_00: How did you keep the team's practice habits where they needed to be?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really a challenge.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm, I'm a man with a lot of routines and our team
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SPEAKER_01: we had 52 routines that we followed.
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SPEAKER_01: 52.
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And then you get to the NCAA tournament and all those routines
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are shot out the window.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you have to make adjustments.
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SPEAKER_01: You have to prepare your team for it.
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SPEAKER_01: And one of the most difficult things we found is during the Final Four,
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SPEAKER_01: the trip from the court to the
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SPEAKER_01: Locker rooms take forever, but halftime is 20 minutes instead of 15.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're constantly making adjustments.
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SPEAKER_01: And,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: the fact of the matter that we lost in the semifinals both times,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe I didn't make good enough adjustments.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: That week,
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how much do you prepare for the first opponent versus looking
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forward a little bit
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SPEAKER_00: and preparing yourself,
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SPEAKER_00: either you as the coaching staff or even also your players as well?
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SPEAKER_01: No, we take everything one game at a time during the regular season.
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SPEAKER_01: When we're playing in a multi-team tournament,
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SPEAKER_01: we concentrate on just the opponent that we're getting ready to face.
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SPEAKER_01: After that game,
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SPEAKER_01: even in the NCAA tournament,
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when we beat Michigan State on a Friday night and we played
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Carolina on Sunday
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SPEAKER_01: afternoon,
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SPEAKER_01: we really only had the one day Saturday to prepare.
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But you have to rely on all your fundamentals and all of your
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routines to prepare
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SPEAKER_01: you well for that opponent.
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SPEAKER_01: And we did.
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A lot has been made about Dusty May bringing his guys outside
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and the sight lines
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SPEAKER_00: of playing in a bigger arena.
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SPEAKER_00: How different was it for your guys,
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or did they mention even anything about playing in a football
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stadium versus
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SPEAKER_00: playing in a basketball arena?
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That was one of the things that required a lot of adjustments
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on our players' parts
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SPEAKER_01: and even my coaching staff,
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SPEAKER_01: because as a coach,
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SPEAKER_01: you're standing up on the court,
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SPEAKER_01: which is not unusual for me,
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SPEAKER_01: but your whole team is below you.
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because you're on that portable court in the middle of a
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football stadium.
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For the players,
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I remember very well walking out onto the court in 2006 for the
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first time.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the day before our game with Florida.
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SPEAKER_01: I was walking with Foller and Campbell,
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SPEAKER_01: our starting guard,
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SPEAKER_01: and when we took the arena together,
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SPEAKER_01: he looked up and around,
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SPEAKER_01: And he said to me, oh, my, this place is gigantic.
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And there were,
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you know,
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maybe 30 or 40,000 people there just to watch practice.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's a spectacular environment.
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It has to be in tonight's game or this weekend's games,
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you know,
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75,000,
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80,000 people on hand.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's a very different environment than what you used to.
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You mentioned the Friday practices,
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the open practices,
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different teams use those differently.
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SPEAKER_00: How did you approach that?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, what we did is try to get comfortable with the court.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was very much drill work, getting up and down.
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We didn't scrimmage,
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but we scheduled a time at a local high school or a local
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college
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SPEAKER_01: to get some additional work in.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's where we did our game preparation.
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SPEAKER_01: But we have a lot of drills that we do.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the funny things is when we got to the Final Four in Houston,
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the players begged me in our last practice to play just a
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two-minute scrimmage.
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SPEAKER_01: And I relented.
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SPEAKER_01: I really did not want to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: But we scrimmaged for two minutes and one of our players,
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SPEAKER_01: Fava Iray,
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SPEAKER_01: fouled one of our starters,
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SPEAKER_01: Wuga Poplar,
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SPEAKER_01: and knocked him to the ground.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking to myself,
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can you imagine you get one of your players hurt at your shoot
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around the day
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SPEAKER_01: before the game?
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It doesn't matter whether it's in the final four or the weekend
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leading up to that.
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You've got that 48-hour window where you play the game on a
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Friday and then have to
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SPEAKER_00: play again on a Sunday or Thursday,
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SPEAKER_00: Saturday.
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SPEAKER_00: How did you navigate those 48 hours to prep for that next opponent?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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that's where you have to really rely on your fundamentals and
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you have to really
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SPEAKER_01: rely on your assistants.
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SPEAKER_01: who have done all the scouting and preparation prior to it.
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SPEAKER_01: Unlike a lot of,
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SPEAKER_01: of coaches,
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SPEAKER_01: I spend most of my time in game preparations,
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SPEAKER_01: just analyzing players.
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SPEAKER_01: So I watch more.
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What are the tendencies of all the top players so that when we
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played Tyler
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SPEAKER_01: Hansborough in 06,
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I was really just watching how he scored and how we could slow
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him down in,
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SPEAKER_01: um,
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SPEAKER_01: 2023,
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SPEAKER_01: we were looking at,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'll use the example,
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SPEAKER_01: we played Indiana in the round of 32,
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SPEAKER_01: and we had to try to stop Trace Jackson Davis.
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And I spent all my time looking at highlights of him,
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how he scored,
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what he liked to do.
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SPEAKER_01: And we had several different players who guarded him.
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SPEAKER_01: We had Norshad O'Meara, who started the game, but he got in foul trouble.
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SPEAKER_01: And despite the fact that Trace Jackson Davis is like 6'10 and 250,
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SPEAKER_01: we put Jordan Miller on him,
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SPEAKER_01: who was 6'4 and a half and about 200 pounds.
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SPEAKER_01: And we just worked at trying to deny him the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: The fewer times he touched it, the better off we were.
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SPEAKER_01: And that really was a major part of our game plan and how we beat them.
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How much of the information that you get actually makes it to
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the players?
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SPEAKER_01: In terms of a percentage, I'd say 20%.
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One of the things that I believe is you don't want to overload
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your players with thought.
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The best way to play is with freedom,
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to feel free of stress,
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to feel free of thinking.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know the expression that Nike uses, just do it.
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that's kind of the message that we had for our players we've
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already played over 30
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games we've done this so many times before and we're going to
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continue to do what
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we do well and we're going to try to prevent them from doing
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the things that they
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SPEAKER_01: do well and why they've had so much success so
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SPEAKER_01: Denying a big man the ball, that was a part of our strategy.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe double teaming a point guard,
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SPEAKER_01: coming off a ball screen,
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SPEAKER_01: making him a passer rather than a penetrator.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of strategy that goes into it.
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SPEAKER_01: But for example,
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SPEAKER_01: in our game against UConn in the Elite Eight,
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SPEAKER_01: which led us to the Final Four,
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SPEAKER_01: we ran the same play,
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SPEAKER_01: one play,
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From the 15-minute mark of the second half all the way through
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the overtime,
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SPEAKER_01: we never changed at all.
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SPEAKER_01: We just told our players, just read and react to their defense.
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SPEAKER_01: Make good decisions and everything will turn out okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Now,
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I know that you've coached that way and maybe even more so
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towards the end of your
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SPEAKER_00: career where it was more out of concepts,
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SPEAKER_00: just teaching the players how to play.
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I saw a comment made by somebody today that doesn't know as
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much about basketball.
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SPEAKER_00: I think they were kind of using it as a slight...
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SPEAKER_00: saying about a particular coach,
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SPEAKER_00: this coach isn't necessarily an X's and O's coach,
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almost meaning they're not going to drop a lot of cool plays
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and run cool plays.
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SPEAKER_00: How early did you go away from the, I'm going to call a play constantly.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead, I'm going to teach them how to play.
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And then we're going to just kind of give them the reins and
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let them figure it out.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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So you might not know this name,
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but one of the great sports psychologists,
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SPEAKER_01: known worldwide is Dr. Bob Rotella.
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And he writes,
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he's must written a dozen or more bestselling books on golf.
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SPEAKER_01: But he works with all kinds of athletes.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's one of my best friends.
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SPEAKER_01: He's helped me throughout my career since 1979.
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SPEAKER_01: And when I became a head coach, I was a maniac.
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SPEAKER_01: I was on the sideline.
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SPEAKER_01: I was crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: My wife would say to me,
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SPEAKER_01: why do you coach every dribble,
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SPEAKER_01: every pass,
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SPEAKER_01: every shot,
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SPEAKER_01: call,
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SPEAKER_01: every play?
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SPEAKER_01: That's just the way I was early in my career.
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SPEAKER_01: But I started really learning things from Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Rotella that helped me kind of adjust and edit my coaching style.
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SPEAKER_01: I've always seen myself as a teacher first.
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So I spent all my time in practice basically teaching
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fundamentals and teaching
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SPEAKER_01: guys how to play.
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How to pass the ball,
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how to move the ball,
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how to move without the ball,
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how to set a screen.
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And all the different concepts that a player needed to learn so
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that he could make
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SPEAKER_01: good decisions on the court.
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SPEAKER_01: And the same thing was true defensively.
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SPEAKER_01: We played a style...
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that gave the players a lot of freedom to trap and switch and
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front and do a lot of
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SPEAKER_01: things that worked effectively against different styles of offense.
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SPEAKER_01: And so Dr. Rotella really started working with me in 1979.
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SPEAKER_01: I only became a head coach in 1986,
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SPEAKER_01: so I didn't listen to him very well from 1986 to 1991 or two.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's when I began my metamorphosis to become much calmer,
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much more of a leader instead of a manager where I was managing
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and micromanaging
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SPEAKER_00: I've actually had Chris Caputo on the show before,
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SPEAKER_00: and he talked a lot about the responsibilities that he had defensively.
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How did you use your assistants and how did you allow them to
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be able to help with
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different aspects of the X's and O's and the systems that you
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had in place?
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SPEAKER_01: When I was a young head coach, I was 36 years old.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a very young staff.
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SPEAKER_01: They were just out of college.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I did everything.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, they kind of helped me, but I was making all the decisions.
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SPEAKER_01: I was not delegating at all.
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SPEAKER_01: And then in 1993,
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I met with my brothers and they were basically advising me to
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read more books on
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SPEAKER_01: leadership.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I started reading Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Stephen Covey,
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SPEAKER_01: The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People and John C.
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SPEAKER_01: Maxwell and his books on teamwork and leadership.
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SPEAKER_01: And what I found was to be successful as a leader of an organization,
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SPEAKER_01: you have to learn to delegate responsibility.
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And so I decided to identify each coach with a very specific
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role and responsibilities.
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SPEAKER_01: And I termed it like a head football coach does.
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I've got an offensive coordinator,
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a defensive coordinator and a scout team coordinator.
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SPEAKER_01: And the great part about that is in preparation for games,
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SPEAKER_01: when I really wanted to focus on my mind on offense,
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SPEAKER_01: I would talk to the offensive coordinator and tell him,
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SPEAKER_01: this is what I'm thinking.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you think about this?
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SPEAKER_01: Suppose we run these sets of plays.
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SPEAKER_01: We called it a package.
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SPEAKER_01: So these four or five things I think will work.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
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SPEAKER_01: And then he would give his input and feel like he was contributing to
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SPEAKER_01: And then once the game began, we were on the same page.
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I would do that with the defensive coordinator and do the same
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thing defensively.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about trapping ball screens tonight.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about switching ball screens.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm switching.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about fronting the post.
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I'm thinking about double teaming the post four or five
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trapping their low postman.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever my thoughts were, I share it with my, my, uh, uh,
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defensive coordinator and he would be telling me coach I've
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looked at this team
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really well I don't think we can switch because they got a
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great guard and if our
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big guys switch he's going to torch them and so we would go
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back and forth really
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determining what our scouting report offered and then of course
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I would go to the
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SPEAKER_01: scout team a coordinator and I'd say look at in practice
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SPEAKER_01: Here are the things I want you to do offensively,
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SPEAKER_01: and here are the things I want you to emphasize defensively.
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SPEAKER_01: So we'd be preparing for the opponent's offense.
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SPEAKER_01: We'd be preparing for the opponent's defense.
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SPEAKER_01: And we started to do that mostly starting in 1993.
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SPEAKER_00: Dan Hurley's UConn team,
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SPEAKER_00: a different team,
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SPEAKER_00: but same staff,
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SPEAKER_00: same program that your Miami team played in 2023.
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what was it like preparing for Dan Hurley's teams,
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especially their offense?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan of Danny Hurley's.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a crazy man, but wild, but happy wild.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: he's really high energy,
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SPEAKER_01: high intensity,
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SPEAKER_01: but just like his dad,
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who I've known since I was a young assistant coach and a young
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division two head
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SPEAKER_01: coach,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: Bob Hurley was,
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SPEAKER_01: legend with his St.
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Anthony's teams and all the great players he was producing and
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state champions he
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SPEAKER_01: was producing.
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SPEAKER_01: And Danny has a lot of that in him.
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SPEAKER_01: He's really a technician.
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SPEAKER_01: He totally understands offense and defense.
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SPEAKER_01: His defense, I think, has put him in the Final Four.
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The way they came back on Duke and the way they controlled the
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game against Illinois was
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SPEAKER_01: Very, very impressive.
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SPEAKER_01: And his offense is very sophisticated.
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You see a lot of what I would describe as Euroball,
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a lot of screens away from the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: Americans,
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the way we play in AAU that our American players are really
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comfortable with is
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SPEAKER_01: ball screens,
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SPEAKER_01: handling the ball,
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SPEAKER_01: dribbling the ball to death,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: And creating offense off of dribble penetration.
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SPEAKER_01: Connecticut has a great balance.
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SPEAKER_01: They do handle the ball and dribble,
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SPEAKER_01: but they really do a great job of sharing the ball,
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SPEAKER_01: moving without the ball,
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screening away from the ball and creating shots for their three
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point shooters.
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SPEAKER_01: And can you believe Caravan is playing tonight?
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SPEAKER_01: How long has the guy been at UConn?
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SPEAKER_01: We played against him.
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SPEAKER_01: He killed us in 2023.
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SPEAKER_00: I was talking to someone recently about the mid majors.
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Anytime that I think about mid majors,
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your team comes to mind there at George Mason.
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SPEAKER_00: Specifically,
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I was commenting to the person that I'm not sure that that kind
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of thing can happen
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SPEAKER_00: again with the current environment of college basketball.
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SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about that?
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SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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I think once we,
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we became a professional where we were paying all the players,
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the,
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um,
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Schools with the most money are probably going to produce the
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best teams.
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SPEAKER_01: Now,
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it doesn't mean because you pay a bunch of players a bunch of
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money that you're all
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SPEAKER_01: of a sudden going to have a great team.
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SPEAKER_01: The coaching really comes into it then of how to organize your team,
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SPEAKER_01: how to discipline your team,
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SPEAKER_01: how to motivate your team and inspire them to play team basketball.
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Obviously,
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the two teams that are playing for the national championship,
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Dusty May
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SPEAKER_01: He was in the Final Four in 2023 with FAU.
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SPEAKER_01: Whoever thought FAU would be in the Final Four with San Diego State?
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I mean,
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those are two teams you would never think going to be in the
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Final Four.
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SPEAKER_01: But they were there.
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SPEAKER_01: Dusty May is a tremendous coach.
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SPEAKER_01: He's done an incredible job of building Michigan.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it'll be a tremendous game by two
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Young coaches,
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in my mind,
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because I'm one of the old coaches,
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retired now,
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they say.
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SPEAKER_01: But,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: for someone who is a lifelong fan of college basketball,
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SPEAKER_01: I like watching these two guys.
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They bring a lot of energy to the game,
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a lot of what I would call street smarts.
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SPEAKER_01: Those teams play a really good brand of basketball.
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SPEAKER_00: Along those same lines, it is the eve of the transfer portal.
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SPEAKER_00: How happy are you that you are not having to deal with that?
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: several of my former assistants and my former point guard,
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SPEAKER_01: Tony Skin at George Mason,
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SPEAKER_01: Chris Caputo at George Washington,
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SPEAKER_01: Eric Conkle at Tulsa,
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SPEAKER_01: just won 30 games and lost in the NIT championship,
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SPEAKER_01: and Adam Fisher at Temple.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm following them and trying to figure out
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SPEAKER_01: How are they going to be able to afford a good team?
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SPEAKER_01: No, these guys, they got to go out and raise money now.
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SPEAKER_01: I had to do it for two years.
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I didn't enjoy that aspect of it where I was trying to recruit
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players in the
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SPEAKER_01: portal while trying to raise money to give them.
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SPEAKER_01: That was a more complicated and frustrating for me.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think the teams with the most money
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SPEAKER_01: Like you see now, they're going to be in the Sweet 16.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to be in the Elite Eight.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to be in the Final Four.
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One of those young coaches who is doing a great job with it,
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Coach Lucas there at Miami.
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Your thoughts about the season,
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his first season,
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and the program going forward?
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Well,
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I thought he did a tremendous job from the very beginning,
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putting together a great staff.
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SPEAKER_01: And that staff gets along extremely well.
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SPEAKER_01: They've got very good chemistry.
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SPEAKER_01: They've got very good basketball minds.
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SPEAKER_01: They've got a lot of experience.
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SPEAKER_01: And then they found the right personnel.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, the starters, if you look at Trey Donaldson, he's from Florida.
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SPEAKER_01: Malik Renu, he's from Miami.
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SPEAKER_01: And then Ernest Duda, he's from Orlando.
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SPEAKER_01: And then Dante Allen from Coral Gables.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's from right here.
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And then you add in a Shelton Henderson,
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who basically grew up with Jay Lucas.
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SPEAKER_01: So he was able to find a starting unit that worked very,
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SPEAKER_01: very well together,
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SPEAKER_01: very unselfish,
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SPEAKER_01: very team-oriented,
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SPEAKER_01: very defensive-minded,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe not the best three-point shooting team,
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SPEAKER_01: but great at getting into the paint and making things happen.
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SPEAKER_01: And
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SPEAKER_01: Very good listeners.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Jay Lucas is a terrific on the court and in practice coach.
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SPEAKER_01: And those guys,
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SPEAKER_01: I've attended some of their practices and was very,
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very impressed with his coaching and their listening and then
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following his
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SPEAKER_01: instruction.
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There is this negative feeling right now towards college sports
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in general,
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but you just talked about several things that made you excited
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and that brought a
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SPEAKER_00: smile to your face in regards to college basketball.
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SPEAKER_00: Is college basketball in a good place right now?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, you have two different categories.
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SPEAKER_01: The first category is quality of play.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's extremely high.
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SPEAKER_01: These two teams that are playing tonight,
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SPEAKER_01: the four teams in the final four,
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SPEAKER_01: you throw in the top 10 teams in the country throughout the season.
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SPEAKER_01: You look at the top leagues, the ACC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the SEC.
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SPEAKER_01: Those teams were playing at a very, very high level.
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So the quality of play in college basketball,
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I think,
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is at an all-time high.
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SPEAKER_01: The other category is the quality of the culture.
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SPEAKER_01: The culture is not very good.
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SPEAKER_01: The way we're emphasizing money and not education,
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the way kids are transferring from school to school without
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education in mind,
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SPEAKER_01: it's just,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: I can make more money at the next stop.
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SPEAKER_01: No one's blaming them for that.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think that the reason that's happening is
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SPEAKER_01: There are no rules to prevent it or encourage kids to stay.
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SPEAKER_01: In my mind,
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I think we have to go to the professional model where we have a
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collective
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SPEAKER_01: bargaining agreement and it really becomes professional basketball.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not the NBA.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the level below the NBA.
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And if we did that and we had more rules about like the NBA,
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you can't just
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switch teams every year right you sign a contract maybe it's
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for two years maybe
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it's for five years but whatever the length of that contract is
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you're there for at
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least a while so that the organization can plan on you either
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being there or being
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gone right now college coaches are hitting the portal tomorrow
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not knowing how many
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SPEAKER_01: players they're going to even have back in jay lucas's case
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He had to replace all 13 players,
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either because of graduation or transfers.
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SPEAKER_01: And I had to bring in 10 in my last year.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to coach 10 new players.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't like the idea that we had no veterans who were showing the way.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a very simple teaching method.
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SPEAKER_01: explanation, demonstration, imitation, correction, and repetition.
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And I explain,
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and then the veterans demonstrate,
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and then the newcomers imitate.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I didn't have veterans to demonstrate.
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SPEAKER_01: We didn't have anybody back.
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SPEAKER_01: We had to build a whole new team and it takes longer and more difficult.
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SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know those players.
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SPEAKER_01: They were not totally sold on the Miami way.
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SPEAKER_01: They were more sold on how much money can I make?
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SPEAKER_01: So for me, that's why I stepped away.
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SPEAKER_01: And for some of these coaches, they're doing a fantastic job with it.
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SPEAKER_01: But in the end, I think we need more and better rules.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll get you out on this.
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SPEAKER_00: Your final prediction for tonight's championship game is what?
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SPEAKER_01: I actually think Michigan,
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SPEAKER_01: for one reason,
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SPEAKER_01: and really only one reason,
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SPEAKER_01: is I think the Big Ten has had the best season it's had in many a year,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe in the last 25 years.
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SPEAKER_01: With that in mind,
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SPEAKER_01: and knowing that Connecticut,
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SPEAKER_01: as good as it's playing in the tournament,
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SPEAKER_01: as good a coach as Danny Hurley is,
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't win the Big East regular season or tournament.
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SPEAKER_01: They had a great run and actually, I think, got very lucky against Duke.
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SPEAKER_01: That was like a miracle.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm watching the game as it ends.
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SPEAKER_01: And after they won, I'm saying to myself, why didn't they foul?
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SPEAKER_01: There was like eight seconds to go.
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SPEAKER_01: What is the coach saying?
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SPEAKER_01: We're down two points.
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SPEAKER_01: What should we do?
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SPEAKER_01: And they didn't foul.
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't foul Cam Boozer.
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't foul the return pass the Tsar.
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SPEAKER_01: And then they didn't foul Caden Boozer.
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SPEAKER_01: And they end up working out all right.
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SPEAKER_01: They get the steal and they hit the three.
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SPEAKER_01: Mullins is the hero.
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SPEAKER_01: It was unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_01: So hats off to Danny Hurley and the UConn Huskies.
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SPEAKER_01: Dusty May, he had to the final four in 2023.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's his turn to win a national championship.
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SPEAKER_00: Awesome stuff, Coach.
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I really appreciate you taking some time out of your day to
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make this happen.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Tony.