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#40 Lorie Eve Dechar on Dreamwork, Shadows, and Integrating Archetypes · Salish Wolf

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  Dreams open me to a different level of knowing and seeing we
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  can say, okay? Just because my dream seems to
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  be telling me to ditch my family and move to the West Indies and
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  stop working that maybe the dream message.
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  I have to have. Now a negotiation between my
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  ego, my responsibilities, my commitments, my integrity, and
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  still honoring, the desire of the dream.
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  If we We work with the dreams, they open us to knowing on a
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  very different level. Welcome to sellers wolf a
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  podcast, bringing you inspirational stories of
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  extraordinary Endeavors. I am your host Todd Howard.
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  Just south of my Vancouver Island home as a tiny
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  archipelago on which for nearly a decade.
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  Lived a most astonishing animal, a lone wolf takea as he would be
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  named survived and thrived in an And we're likely, no wolf had
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  ever set foot in the process. He captured the hearts of a
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  community and showed us even the most unlikely as possible.
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  His story is not dissimilar to those of the individuals
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  interviewed on this podcast. At some point, they each had to
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  turn to their inner Lone, Wolf from there, they were able to
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  After our riveting conversation in the last episode Laurie Eve,
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  the Char and I are back again. This time to drop more deeply
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  into archetypes and into the world of dream interpretation,
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  in a real-life dream consultation laurieann weaves
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  the chaos of an hour's old dream to help me find within the
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  threat of my shadow archetype and Stitch together.
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  A logical Narrative of its message and I'm not talking
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  about an oh, that's cute. But useless message instead, it
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  has me turning tricks trying To maneuver a successful Landing,
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  my head spinning with thoughts of integration.
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  And at the potential magnitude of all the other dreams, I have
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  given barely a passing notice. Dreamtime is not the only focal
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  point of this conversation. We also continue with the
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  exploration of archetypes that we began last episode and
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  because of my dream interpretation, we specifically
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  examine the concept of the Shadow archetype and those of
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  the trickster and Mercury using her alchemical healing Wizardry,
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  from the leaden material That we throw into the discussion Lori,
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  extracts gold along with her husband.
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  Benjamin Lori is co-founder of a new possibility, a learning and
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  healing Community designed to help people develop a conscious
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  relationship to their inner Life as a renowned acupuncturist and
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  author of three books. Including the recently released
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  the Alchemy of inner work that she co-authored with Benjamin
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  Lori offers insights that are Priceless instruments in the
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  Quest for inner transformation. Please enjoy yet another ER,
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  spellbinding episode of Salish wolf with Lori Eve to shark.
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  page at Anchor. Point expeditions.com to learn
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  more. And now on with the show Glory,
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  welcome back to the show. It's great to be here.
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  Todd. I was looking forward to this me
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  too. I don't know what we're going to
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  talk about. I have a completely blank page.
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  We segwayed into it from our last interview by saying, we're
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  going to talk about dreams and dream work which I know nothing
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  about other than I dream a lot and not more than.
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  Once one of my healers or practitioners who said I should
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  write my It's down and I have it.
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  So I feel like I'm going to learn a lot.
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  Good, well, yes, and a blank slate is such a great way to
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  step into the dream world. I mean, one of the things that
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  I, that I've been thinking a lot about lately because I think
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  about dreams, it's a big world for me.
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  It's important part of my work, some of the people I work with.
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  It's the main focus of what we do.
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  But I've been thinking a lot about how our culture is kind of
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  addicted to being awake, addicted to that sort of
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  activation of the thinking mind and the rational mind.
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  And what we're looking at with dreams is opening to this there,
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  a different level of seeing and knowing.
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  So coming in with a blank, I like that what you said, like
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  you don't go in no way. you go in, you know, being willing to
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  discover Well, let's just go into it, tell me about the work
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  that you do and and how it how it all comes together.
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  Yeah, well, I mean, it's, you know, I started out as an
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  acupuncturist so I mean I started out as a poet really
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  that's where my earliest sort of Explorations were and then
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  family way to being a gardener and then found my way to Chinese
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  medicine and For me Chinese medicine.
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  Among many other things is a kind of world that brings us
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  into a different way of being and knowing More images stick
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  and more mythical and, you know, less linear and rational so that
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  it was a very comfortable place for me.
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  But from there, I got into depth psychology and jungian depth
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  psychology working with What's called the archetypes this
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  domain of myth and symbol. And it started just to bring a
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  lot of pieces together for me, what we were actually doing when
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  we About say, for example, the elements in Chinese medicine,
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  fire and water and Earth and metal and wood as as actual
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  parts of our humanity. And when I began to understand
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  that they're living symbols in our souls, a lot of pieces
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  started coming together in my practice.
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  And then somewhere in there, I just started getting fascinated
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  by dreams. My patients would bring them in,
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  or I have kept dream journals. I have boxes of them sequential
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  through the years and their, I'm working on a book now, or I'm
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  going back into the dream world as a source of kind of
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  chronology and lineage. and it's just I mean, I think For me to
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  say, okay, you know, I'm not a PHD psychologist.
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  I'm a practitioner of Chinese medicine, I'm an alchemist on
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  the Healer and to say, oh I can actually engage in this work was
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  that was a was taking a stand for me and where I've come with
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  that is actually this idea of liberating the dream.
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  Because I think in our culture we have this idea that you need
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  to study for 10 years and be 10 postgraduate analytical
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  understandings to work with dreams but the truth is for me
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  dreams or our Birthright. And every traditional healing
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  modality has recognized dreams as a source of healing and
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  information and wisdom. So I guess I have a pretty
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  radical position right now of, you know, liberating the dream
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  so that everyone can take back this amazing source that is free
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  and we get every night, you know, it's like it comes to us
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  and even the Chinese would say they come to us from the Stars,
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  it's like a direct link. To Greater sources of
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  information and it's freely available to every human being
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  with a functioning nervous system.
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  How did you go from? I can understand how poetry can
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  arise organically and how gardening can.
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  But how did that then transpire into Chinese medicine.
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  Well, what was your influence? It was so it was a bit of a leak
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  for me. I mean it wasn't well it wasn't
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  just this Easy Flow from one to the other.
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  Although for me, Chinese medicine is like gardening and
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  it is like poetry when I'm in treatment room or when I'm
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  working with it. But what happened for me was in
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  addition to poetry, and gardening.
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  I was a pretty impassioned. Radical activists all through my
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  20s and Was in that state of kind of rage and beating my head
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  against the wall and expending a lot of energy in what I would
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  call the fight the fight mode. And by the my later 20s, I was
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  pretty burned out already. I was feeling very disappointed
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  that I mean, this was several decades ago, but I was feeling
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  like we were moving Fast enough. I was already in a high state of
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  alarm about the environment about the what I felt was
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  misogyny of the culture and a good friend of mine.
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  Said to me, you know, you need to try acupuncture.
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  I was getting headaches, daily headaches and anxiety and but I
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  was like, it's really nothing wrong with me.
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  I don't know why I should We try acupuncture, but she said, well,
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  you don't, you don't get it, you don't get it.
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  This is like it's not just about fixing symptoms.
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  It's it will touch you in all these different ways.
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  So I got into Chinese medicine because it changed my life.
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  My life, my first session, my practitioner cheated me at on
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  liver 3, which, as you know, is a point to really A the liver
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  and modulate when we called the wood element.
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  And right there on the table, I felt so much of that rage that
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  tension, it dissipated with the first treatment.
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  And I felt like, I could smell the air, coming through the
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  window. And I could hear in a way I
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  hadn't heard in years and it's a gardener, and a poet.
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  I was like, okay, yes, yeah, well, in there is the poetry.
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  Tree of Chinese medicine because liver three.
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  Taichung is the great Surge and soon as you had that treated,
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  you felt this great surging of your energy and a release of it.
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  So to speak, which is something that as you write about in your
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  books, the language behind Chinese medicine, The Poetry of
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  it is, It's extremely symbolic and how it functions and how it
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  helps. And there are certain
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  practitioners who. And I think you might be one of
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  them who really live in that poetic world of it, because then
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  you can, I feel more inspired and called you certain points in
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  certain herbes based on the names.
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  And especially if we go back into classical Chinese back to
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  the characters of the points. So, it's really incredible how
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  multifaceted the medicine is and how There's just so much more
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  complexity to it than what we're used to in allopathic medicine.
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  But anyway, that's that's a whole nother Divergent paths.
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  Go down. Yes.
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  I want to go back there because you said you were an activist,
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  you're angry, you got burnt out after about a decade of being an
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  activist and being angry because you just weren't seeing change
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  that you wanted to see in the world.
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  And Now, in retrospect. How do you think you could have
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  done that differently? To bring about, not only a
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  safer, more healing environment within you.
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  But to actually catalyze more change outside of you.
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  Have you ever thought about that?
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  I think that I think about that every day, I think, could we
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  have done something? Is there something that we
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  missed? You know, those of us who were
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  activists in the early 70s and I'm still and I'm, I'm also
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  thinking this in contemporary terms, over anyone who is
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  so-called fighting a fight because I see a lot of anger.
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  I don't know if you're familiar with the work of David Hawkins
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  but he's an incredible writer and he has a based on applied
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  Kinesiology, he created a scale of emotions and the energetic
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  frequency that those reverberate out into the world around us
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  with love being the most positive.
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  And I think guilt or shame being the most negative and anger.
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  GE is somewhere in between it basically indicates that someone
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  is coming alive within and there's something worth fighting
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  for as opposed to apathy where they're just they've surrendered
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  to everything. So anger is where they're
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  starting to be a shift but they're still not reverberating
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  out a positive frequency. That is going to positively
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  impact other beings on the planet.
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  It's still something that actually has a negative overall
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  recourse. And it's not until we actually I
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  think anger is the last step before we start to get into the
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  positives. And so I'm seeing in the world
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  feeling in the world. A lot of anger times.
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  I'm even in that spot. I'm just trying to figure out
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  how we can rise above those lower frequencies.
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  I'm seeing a lot of action that's taken based on guilt.
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  A lot of action that's taken based on shame, I'm seeing
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  Society indoctrinating us too. Feel motivated by guilt and
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  shame and to feel like we have to basically be branded with
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  those identities and that if we don't recognize those then were
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  were complicit, we're not helping the world were racist.
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  Were you name it? Whatever it is that we are.
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  And so, I'm just trying to figure out how can we rise above
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  those lower energy levels? Because I I've said this before
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  numerous times, I don't think, Think anything we do that is
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  catalyzed by a negative energy is going to bring about a
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  positive outcome. So in other words if I'm doing
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  something to assuage my guilt that's the wrong reason to do
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  it. Even if the act itself seems
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  good on the surface if I'm doing it to avoid something - then I'm
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  putting a negative energy out into the world.
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  That's my belief anyway and I'm just trying to To kind of
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  wrestle with that and figure out how we can do things from this
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  place of more love ultimately. So that we're not being
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  divisive, we're not being victims, and we are actually.
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  As Gandhi says, we are being the change that we want to see in
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  the world. Yeah, Well, I think that's why
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  Benjamin and I lead with our tag line for a new possibility,
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  which is that inner work leads to Outer change in the sense
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  that any as you said, any real lasting, what I call negin
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  Tropic. You know, Positive Growth
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  promoting action depends on our own inner work in releasing and
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  transforming alkalizing. Is the word I like to use those
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  negative toxic. Energies or vibrations and
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  Tropic attitudes, that's our work.
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  That's the work that that we do in our community in a new
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  possibility. That's the work of alchemy at
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  South chemical healing. And I would say, you know,
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  honestly, since that moment, where my acupuncturist released,
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  you know, that great surge that Supreme rushing of the stuckness
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  I was in with the Rage. That's been the focus of my
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  work. so, that's Almost four decades.
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  Now of trying to answer that very question that you're
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  asking. How do we act skilfully?
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  You know, not to become apathetic but also to not just
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  perpetuate cycles of suffering. In the world, through our anger,
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  or blame or guilt or fear, I would add fear yes, piano fear.
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  and so, I think all the tools that we work with all the tools,
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  the wisdom Traditions, give us, you know, pathways To to work
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  with that question. And I would say, as far as very
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  specifically the anger, which was the emotion I was stuck in
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  and which we definitely see is, you know, rampant, we could say
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  there's an anger pandemic on the planet that, if we look at, you
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  know, the wisdom of Chinese medicine to say anger, you know,
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  in its healthy expression, I loved what you said.
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  It's a, it's a sprouting. It's a coming to life of the
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  self. It's a emergence of me.
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  That's, it's sort of positive, but then it's what we could say
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  it's wisdom or its virtue is benevolence So ultimately what
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  we're trying to do, how chemically is take that lead of
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  anger and find within it, you know, the goals of benevolence.
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  Yes. And when I sat with that and I,
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  of course, like you, I sit with these things that I sit with
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  them, I like, what were they saying?
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  And then I look at the trees. And I, you know, if we think of
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  the wood element as a surge as a pushed to reach the sun, you
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  know, every tree is reaching upwards and downwards to get its
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  nutrients and it's unlike, but if you look at a healthy Forest,
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  the trees are also all in a kind of conversation of benevolence
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  with each other. It's not like, oh, you know, one
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  tree is going to grow. So another one, another one may
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  not, but In the big picture of the forest, all the creatures
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  are experiencing the benefit, the birds in the trees, you
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  know? The like and the creatures who
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  crawl on the trees, there's a sense of a I can get what I
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  need, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of another.
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  And I think that's what is, you know, that's the ultimate work
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  here. Yeah.
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  And with that anger, pandemic, you speak of, I think a lot of
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  it is related to this pandemic. We also have of oxytocin
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  deficiency, the last year and a half, we've been not allowed to
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  have physical contact with one another and anyone who knows,
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  what oxytocin is would understand that.
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  But for those who don't, it's the love drug, it's the love
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  hormone. That is naturally released
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  within us. When we have intimate contact
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  with another that's what a mother and a child bond with at
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  when the child is first born. But just from giving someone a
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  hug we can actually raise our oxytocin levels and raise our
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  inner feeling of love. And I think with that we become
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  more attuned to our shared humanity and without that We
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  become again, very divisive and it's us against them and we
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  focus more on what divides us rather than what unites us.
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  Yeah, that benevolence the ultimate benevolence of life.
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  I would say, I would just add to that, you know, for those of us
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  who have kids or for me with my grandchild that, you know, we
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  created this year, we were very committed to creating a bubble
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  where we could be in physical contact, because I can't imagine
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  not having that, but but at times, you know, when you can't
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  nature is also a source. And I would say yes for people
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  who have had to, you know, for immune week in individuals, or
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  people who don't have that option of close family to stay
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  physically in contact with nature is right there.
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  Well, normally, it's right off for us and animals but as we
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  also have learned during this past year and a half, sometimes
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  nature is even taken away from people.
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  There have been people who have been just Stuck inside.
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  So I agree with you completely. There's it doesn't have to be
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  inter human connection is just connecting with other beings
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  other energies even the rocks and the earth and the trees.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Anyway. So it's we touched a bit last
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  time and you mention it again earlier this concept of
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  archetypes. But wondering if we can dive
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  more into that, and if the archetypes have a role in the
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  dream work that you do, as I said, I'm completely ignorant of
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  DreamWorks. Oh yeah, no, that's a great
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  question. The the to get kind of grab on
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  in a, not an abstract you know, because archetype can start out
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  as feeling like it's kind of an abstract idea that we have
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  already imprinted in our brain and our nervous system.
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  And the images that naturally form in a human being that there
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  are symbols that we are actually born with their Genetic.
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  So the I will look at one of the ways that I explain this is if
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  you watch a child an infant coming into Consciousness, you
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  know, so there's a very young infant already from the moment
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  of birth and infant already has within them.
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  This, what you would say, archetype for mother, So they
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  infinite healthy infant will bond with a caregiver, you know,
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  whether it's a mother. Father, you know, a caregiver
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  that nurturing giving life affirming and protective being
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  is an archetype already in us when we're born.
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  And then as you watch a child grow, you see the fascination
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  with water. The fascination with fire.
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  It's, it's already in us as humans to be intrigued
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  fascinated by the elements. So, those are also archetypes
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  And, you know, just coming back to the etymology because I think
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  etymology is helpful. What we're the word itself means
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  first former in print, and we did touch on that, in our last
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  conversation type. What it's actually from the word
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  typos, the Greek word, which means stamp or imprint, So
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  they're saying, like energy will naturally take these forms in
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  our imagination in our dreams in our souls.
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  So will naturally sort of relate to fire or relate to water.
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  I can say to a patient in my treatment room.
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  Yeah, your Earth Constitution type and even without them
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  knowing Chinese medicine meant my patients.
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  That's what I would notice. Would say, yes, you know Earth,
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  I know myself. I feel Earthly.
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  I feel Earthbound. Or if I say to somebody, I see
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  was fire and I get it in the person feels like, I'm seeing I
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  resonate with that fire in me. So to begin to work at that
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  level means leaving behind a kind of rational linear
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  quantitative approach to the world and being willing to go
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  into a more imaginative, a more symbolic approach, more dreamy
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  approach, I would say, can we get stuck in a certain
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  archetype? And then negative outcomes as a
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  result of that. Yes, what a back up and then
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  come back to that. Okay?
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  Yeah, just because I think in order to really that's a great
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  question and I see it all the time and I work that just worked
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  with it the other day with with someone, I was doing a session
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  with By the way that getting stuck in the archetype is what
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  Carl Jung called getting stuck in a complex.
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  So some people know that were, you know, I've a money complex
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  or I have a romance complex that's getting stuck in the
• 28:03
  archetype. That's getting a kind of fused
• 28:06
  embedded or what we say identified with the archetype so
• 28:11
  that I'm not in a free-flowing, relational growing.
• 28:15
  Being kind of attitude. I'm I'm actually being run by
• 28:20
  the archetype. So, just to back up.
• 28:29
  There are two basic primary archetypes.
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  Which are we could say, yin and yang masculine feminine mother.
• 28:40
  Father, those are the we above that, we have the Dow, the
• 28:46
  Oneness, the universe, and then, and coming back to that little
• 28:49
  baby who's born, the baby comes in when you know, you see the
• 28:54
  first newborn in there, they're coming in with complete Unity,
• 28:58
  the Dow Oneness and then begins this attachment to the mother.
• 29:04
  A year then attachment to the Father Figure.
• 29:06
  So really, it's a primal part of us.
• 29:09
  But then those primary archetypes, start just dividing
• 29:13
  and dividing and dividing into we could say any infinite.
• 29:19
  Array of forms, including the father archetype divides into
• 29:24
  the king. The hero, the warrior, the
• 29:29
  mother archetype divides into the made.
• 29:33
  The Crone, the wise woman, the the mermaid archetype there,
• 29:39
  they just keep going, and You know, it doesn't matter.
• 29:44
  I can have a hero in me and you can have a maiden and you,
• 29:48
  they're not strictly defined by our biological gender, but we
• 29:54
  could, you know, say, as a woman, I might more easily
• 29:57
  identify or early on with some of those feminine archetypes
• 30:02
  young boy, might, you know, who's identified with his
• 30:06
  masculinity, would sort of Orient towards some of the
• 30:10
  masculine archetypes. But as Make sure we want to
• 30:14
  actually engage with the Contra sexual opposites within us as
• 30:20
  well and that's movement towards wholeness.
• 30:24
  So I just wanted to say that because in order to get to this
• 30:27
  idea of getting stuck in or overtaken by, you know, you kind
• 30:34
  of have to know, well, what could those be And if we want to
• 30:38
  say looking coming back to our conversation about the pandemic,
• 30:43
  we could almost say that our whole culture is stuck in the
• 30:48
  Warrior archetype in a sort of unhealthy way, like, even this
• 30:53
  morning Benjamin was reading to me from the paper and he read me
• 30:58
  this headline. And it, you know, there's Now
• 31:00
  new information about how the virus is mutating.
• 31:04
  And the CDC said we have to Go. The war is taking a different
• 31:09
  tack. So we're coming into this as a
• 31:15
  battle as a war, you know, who's going to win as opposed to
• 31:20
  saying, okay, let's get curious about this very strange.
• 31:26
  Strangely behaving pathogen that.
• 31:31
  Can we understand it? Can we be into not necessarily
• 31:36
  relate to it but not at the same time.
• 31:39
  Come into it. Like we are warriors, fighting.
• 31:42
  Your battle. That's one archetype of that
• 31:45
  getting stuck in that can be limited.
• 31:47
  Yeah, and of course, we've heard that time and time again, with
• 31:50
  the war on cancer, the war on AIDS, the war, on terrorism, the
• 31:55
  war on you name it, it's there and yeah, I got it.
• 32:00
  Also goes back to the energies that I was talking about earlier
• 32:03
  the frequencies that were putting out.
• 32:05
  If we are stuck in that war replacing, there's very little
• 32:09
  room for Love and War Yes. And that's so that's the
• 32:14
  archetype that has overtaken. What?
• 32:16
  I call mental Consciousness, it's the Trap of dualism.
• 32:21
  Where does victimization fall into that?
• 32:23
  Is that Part of this war mentality or is it somewhere?
• 32:30
  I think it's the other side of it because if one side is is
• 32:34
  winning the battle, you know, one sides the Victor and one
• 32:38
  side is going to be the victim. But aren't they.
• 32:42
  Also I feel like there's an in Twyman as well because it it
• 32:48
  seems like a lot of the anger is coming from those who feel
• 32:53
  victimized. They're not in an apathetic
• 32:56
  victimhood. That's a different state of what
• 32:59
  was me. There's no point I give up But
• 33:03
  they're in the state of their energy is it is it's a higher
• 33:06
  energy because they are motivated to take action but it
• 33:09
  seems that this action is being taken because they feel like
• 33:14
  they are a victim. And so it is an external action
• 33:19
  rather than the inner Alchemy rather than working from within
• 33:24
  to bring about then change outside.
• 33:27
  Well, I think that's the key. What you just said because if
• 33:31
  we're going to stay With this archetype inquiry. the what I,
• 33:37
  when I teach archetypes, the first thing I say is the
• 33:40
  archetype is amoral the archetype itself, doesn't live
• 33:47
  in the domain of human values. It doesn't care about my
• 33:54
  marriage or my commitments. It what the archetype is comes
• 34:01
  in is in service of life in service of the movement of life.
• 34:07
  So it can come in as you know, the avenging Warrior, you know,
• 34:12
  or it can come in as we're saying is these sort of wildly
• 34:16
  rampant rages or it can come in as Wood as an energy.
• 34:22
  That allows me to stand for what I believe in this centered way
• 34:28
  and how the archetype manifest in my life.
• 34:32
  Depends on. Just what you said.
• 34:34
  It depends on how I work with and how I relate to it and how I
• 34:40
  go inside myself and develop a relationship to it.
• 34:45
  If I don't yeah they'll run us, they're wild.
• 34:50
  They're Just as wild as a tornado, you know, they're just
• 34:54
  as wild as a hurricane. They they are.
• 34:56
  Those are the energies of the cosmos, you know, that come in
• 35:00
  and take form in the world, but we, that is the beauty of our
• 35:05
  Humanity that were given this opportunity to make that choice
• 35:10
  to turn inward. And actually say, how am I going
• 35:15
  to? Am I working with this?
• 35:18
  And again, I come back to that moment when I had that
• 35:20
  acupuncture point needle, it was a choice point.
• 35:26
  You know, am I going to just keep beating my head against the
• 35:29
  wall here and have daily headaches and digestive,
• 35:33
  disturbances and feel like my work isn't leading anywhere?
• 35:38
  Or am I going to look inside and see what else is being asked of
• 35:43
  me? How could I channel that energy
• 35:45
  different? And again in Chinese medicine,
• 35:49
  the other side of anger is vision and planning.
• 35:53
  It's opening my vision and having hope and seeing different
• 35:57
  possibilities. So all of what we're talking
• 36:01
  about, I think comes back to this idea that, you know, the
• 36:04
  it's the inner work that makes the difference on how things
• 36:09
  manifest on the outside and Dream Work is part of that in
• 36:15
  our work. For me.
• 36:17
  It's very much part of it for me.
• 36:20
  It's very much part of it. I mean, In there, one tool,
• 36:24
  there's many tools, but for me again, dreams have become a
• 36:28
  really important part of how I get to listen to what is, what
• 36:37
  is the deeper wisdom approach? For me dreams, open me to a
• 36:43
  different level of knowing and seeing You know, when you look
• 36:51
  at the word dream in Chinese the character, it's a, it's a
• 36:55
  picture of night needs night, the graphic, and then above,
• 37:01
  that is the picture of eyes. So we can say, from this Chinese
• 37:07
  perspective, there's an understanding and archetypical
• 37:10
  understanding that will see reflected in English as well.
• 37:15
  The dream's open us to a different kind of sight, a night
• 37:19
  sight. And then, when we look at the
• 37:24
  word in English dream itself comes from an Anglo-Saxon word.
• 37:29
  That means music But for me, the real he comes from the, the
• 37:38
  romance language is where the word is Rev, which is the same
• 37:43
  root as revelation. So, dream in French is Rev, and
• 37:48
  in the romance languages, it's going to this place of
• 37:52
  Revelation, which means information, that's revealed to
• 37:56
  us from a Divine source. and again, coming back to Chinese
• 38:03
  medicine and they say they're actually Spirits the one that's
• 38:07
  called the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the liver and the wood
• 38:12
  A vision of our opening to this dream world.
• 38:17
  These little Spirits go up to the stars at night, this is the
• 38:21
  myth and they bring down information from the stars from
• 38:26
  the galaxies right into our night sight.
• 38:32
  So again all this can sound very Fantastical and as I said a
• 38:37
  little abstract, but in my work in the treatment room, this is
• 38:42
  what happens that if we work with the dreams, they open us,
• 38:48
  they reveal information, open us to knowing on a very different
• 38:53
  level. It's learning to see what these
• 38:57
  other eyes. It's more of a Chinese medicine
• 39:01
  related question. But his absinthe fit into this
• 39:07
  at all wormwood Artemisia its kind of unlocks this dreamy like
• 39:13
  state, is there anything there? I don't know, it just popped
• 39:16
  into my head that's you're talking and no I mean I think as
• 39:20
  I said at the very beginning that all traditional medicines
• 39:25
  We guard dreams and accessing dreams.
• 39:29
  I mean, it's even in the Bible. Hmm.
• 39:32
  You know, there's no culture before our own modern culture
• 39:36
  that treated dreams, you know, with the same disregard, right
• 39:41
  in community tribal communities, people would Gather in the
• 39:45
  morning and talk about dreams. That's what Benjamin and I wake
• 39:51
  up and we're like, okay, what did you dream?
• 39:55
  And does the vision of the dreams?
• 39:57
  Is that similar than to the vision with things such as
• 40:02
  absinthe or with psychedelics? These tools to the dream world.
• 40:09
  Yes, it's I would say the psychedelics and this sort of
• 40:17
  use of plant medicine opens us to a similar domain of the
• 40:25
  psyche. But in my work and what I stand
• 40:31
  for is that we can open those. I so same night eyes, while
• 40:40
  keeping our daytime eyes also intact which is in a certain
• 40:45
  other way of saying that the work that I teach and the work
• 40:50
  that I do with my patients is about not dissolving.
• 40:56
  This hard earned critical mind or ego position.
• 41:02
  But rather being able to hold it simultaneously alongside the
• 41:08
  archetypal domain because again, remember the archetypes don't
• 41:13
  have a value system. They're just pure energy, pure
• 41:20
  information, pure kinds of onions, translucent, dated data
• 41:28
  from other domains. Now, so that it's one of the
• 41:33
  reasons why shamans who actually in traditional cultures were the
• 41:39
  ones who held the container during say an ayahuasca
• 41:43
  ceremony. They train for decades.
• 41:47
  Rigorously, it went through tremendous hardship.
• 41:52
  They were trained in as much rigor as that the most highly
• 41:57
  trained scientists in our culture because to actually hold
• 42:02
  The amount of energy that comes through from these levels.
• 42:06
  You really, really need to have the muscle So I you know, it's
• 42:13
  not that, I mean I think the plants want us to use them, they
• 42:16
  want to give us this information but my work is more focused on.
• 42:22
  Let's use, let's go to these domains.
• 42:26
  Let's learn to walk with them safely for anybody, anybody
• 42:32
  because we can also keep one foot in the daytime world.
• 42:37
  We can say, okay? Just because my dream seems to
• 42:40
  be telling me to ditch my family and, you know, move to the West
• 42:45
  Indies and stop working. You know, that maybe the dream
• 42:49
  message. What if I have to have?
• 42:52
  Now a negotiation between my ego, my responsibilities, my
• 42:57
  commitments, my integrity, and still honoring, the desire of
• 43:01
  the dream, So that's the distinction between, you know,
• 43:07
  going in to, you know, the hallucinogenic domain, where we,
• 43:13
  we temporarily let go of all of that and just dissolve into the
• 43:18
  dream world and actual Dream Work from the sort of
• 43:23
  perspective that I teach in use and they're both good.
• 43:27
  I mean, I'd like, I'm whatever gets us there, whatever opens
• 43:31
  our conscience but just to make that distinction.
• 43:34
  Especially as a practitioner. How does how do we?
• 43:37
  Yeah. How do you work with dreams?
• 43:40
  Walk us through this. There's yeah.
• 43:41
  Okay. So much crazy information that
• 43:43
  comes down dreams. Yes I had some weird dreams last
• 43:47
  night. I guess in price.
• 43:49
  Well I want to hear. I just I just remember waking up
• 43:53
  feeling all weirded out. There was this has the what only
• 43:58
  part I can remember. Actually there were a few parts
• 44:01
  I can remember. I was late to pick up my kids
• 44:03
  from school. And by like an hour.
• 44:06
  And so I was frantically racing down the highway at night time
• 44:13
  and I got there and it turned out I was on my bicycle and I
• 44:18
  went in to get my kids and my bike got stolen and it turned
• 44:21
  out. It was just someone taking it
• 44:22
  for a joyride and they came back and then we got into a bit of an
• 44:29
  argument I think. And then while we are arguing,
• 44:32
  my bike legitimately got stolen. Ellen.
• 44:35
  And it was just kind of this weird stuff that I woke up just
• 44:39
  going, what was all of that about?
• 44:41
  And then there was something about an address book that I had
• 44:47
  when I was like a kid at look like a Snoopy address book or
• 44:51
  something, that had my name on it and I don't remember it, but
• 44:54
  somehow it came into the mix as well.
• 44:57
  It was just all very strange. Right.
• 45:01
  So that's a great because you're good, you're going to make
• 45:04
  something of this. All right, well I'm going to
• 45:06
  start by saying so this is so often how it is.
• 45:10
  You wake up and you go. What was that craziness?
• 45:16
  You know, that can't be useful. Like so often people say this to
• 45:21
  me like I did you but I don't think it means anything or Often
• 45:28
  those very dreams are the ones that have the little bit of gold
• 45:33
  in them. So the other when I start
• 45:37
  working with dreams, the first thing I say is all dreams, come
• 45:41
  in service of healing and home as.
• 45:44
  So even this dream that you had last night that seems like
• 45:47
  chaotic and kind of crazy nonsense.
• 45:53
  There's something in that dream, Todd, that's that wants you to
• 45:58
  come into awareness of A shift. Or a need an opening of sight
• 46:12
  about something in your life. Okay, so that's the first thing
• 46:17
  when I hear that dream. Like how is this dream coming
• 46:21
  and service and feel of your healing and wholeness?
• 46:26
  And then the next thing I ask, you know, I say dreams, it's not
• 46:31
  about analyzing the dream or I'm going to go in there and I
• 46:36
  somehow know more than the dream or I'm going to figure it out,
• 46:39
  it's more like let me befriend this stream.
• 46:42
  Let me care about this dream and see what it might.
• 46:47
  What that dream is asking for from you.
• 46:52
  What is it desire? Because it wants something, then
• 46:58
  the other thing. So here's this is how I work,
• 47:01
  you know, then I go okay, dreams kind of could be about just
• 47:06
  digesting and metabolizing, something that happened
• 47:10
  yesterday or, you know, maybe a day or two ago, they can be
• 47:16
  about a bigger emotional block. It's going on that I haven't
• 47:24
  like been able to get at and then there's what Young calls
• 47:28
  the Big Dreams, the life dreams, you know, those are the dreams
• 47:32
  like you wake up and you go holy wow you know like the giant tree
• 47:41
  or you're out seeing as you know the great Storm of the Century
• 47:45
  coming across the ocean. So my sense of your dream is
• 47:50
  it's you know Oh, of the first and second I don't feel like
• 47:55
  again. I'm not saying like I'm sitting
• 47:57
  here in awe struck by your dream.
• 47:59
  Like whoa, which sometimes I am I can you know?
• 48:04
  And I'm sure you've had other dreams that are of that nature
• 48:07
  where, you know, they come back over your lifetime.
• 48:10
  But I would say this dream to knees, it feels like a dream
• 48:13
  about something. Maybe that happened this week
• 48:18
  that you're metabolizing, but also Large, it has quality of a
• 48:23
  larger emotional. Hmm.
• 48:28
  Quandary or pattern? That's asking to be shifted.
• 48:34
  That's my sense of it. So, the first thing I do, you
• 48:41
  know, I say the first benefit of working with the dream is that
• 48:43
  you even remembered the dream, Already just by you remembering
• 48:48
  it. It's working a little bit on
• 48:50
  your nervous system. It's showing you a little
• 48:53
  something. And then the second benefit is
• 48:56
  that, you told me the dream. So, the dream now is has an
• 49:00
  existence in life. It's by sharing it, you're
• 49:04
  beginning to care a little bit about it.
• 49:09
  I guess the next thing that I would ask you if you're willing,
• 49:13
  I mean you might not have come into this thinking, you were
• 49:15
  going to do a Dream Work analysis.
• 49:17
  But if you're willing like, maybe share a little bit about,
• 49:21
  is there any way that you could see that dream relating to
• 49:24
  anything happening in your real life or anything that happened
• 49:28
  this week? You're late to get the, get your
• 49:32
  kids to school. Not what my overall feeling of
• 49:39
  it. Is there were a lot of things
• 49:43
  that I don't resonate with and don't want to be around
• 49:51
  franticness because I was frantic while racing to get my
• 49:54
  kids and just that sense of being late I don't want to I
• 50:00
  just don't like the energy that arises from that I guess the GT
• 50:06
  Racing down a highway. I don't like highways.
• 50:09
  I would, if I could drive on country roads whenever I drive,
• 50:13
  perfect, get me off a highway going into a city.
• 50:17
  I was definitely in a city to pick up my kids and I same
• 50:20
  thing, I feel the same about City's, I don't need to ever see
• 50:22
  a city again. I'm just happy being in the
• 50:24
  country and even this building where I picked them up was all
• 50:28
  modern and glassy and city. Like, and it felt very sterile
• 50:34
  And so all of those things felt just kind of icky to me look.
• 50:39
  Yeah, so there's an ick feeling just like this, I don't know.
• 50:45
  Like this is not the environment I want to be M and then things
• 50:48
  seem to shift, I don't even know if it was the same dream even
• 50:52
  necessarily or but as far as I think it was the same because
• 50:56
  the the environment where my bike got stolen feels kind of
• 51:00
  similar. But that was a very we that was
• 51:05
  it was a very different thing but it was also it was, I guess
• 51:10
  there was some frustration that something like that, like my
• 51:21
  bike would actually gets stolen, just frustration that someone
• 51:26
  would actually do that. And then this individual who I
• 51:31
  interacted with, who originally just took it for a joyride.
• 51:36
  He I feel like he kind of shape shifted or changed identities
• 51:41
  during but at one point, we are we were locked in a little room
• 51:45
  and we were discussing why he did this, but it then turned
• 51:48
  into something. That was not about my bike or
• 51:52
  taking it for a joy ride. It was trying to, it's very
• 51:56
  vague, but it was almost like there were, he was telling me
• 52:00
  ways that I was about to say out of Integrity, according to his
• 52:07
  perspective and I felt like I was very receptive to that
• 52:14
  originally going. Okay, I tell me more.
• 52:15
  I want to know how I can do better, but then he got into
• 52:21
  something or I just shut it down as I got, right?
• 52:24
  I'm I'm done with this conversation and that's when I
• 52:28
  went back outside to find that, my bike had actually been stolen
• 52:30
  again. Yeah.
• 52:34
  So I don't know. That's no.
• 52:36
  So in listening to you again, another thing that is That the
• 52:42
  dream itself to say. Okay, we're going to interpret
• 52:45
  this dream. There's not one interpretation
• 52:48
  of Any Dream. Dreams are symbolic and just
• 52:51
  like a symbol say, a symbol of the archetype of the circle.
• 52:56
  We can look at that in so many different ways.
• 52:58
  We can say the circle of wholeness, we can say, you know,
• 53:01
  the egg, we can stay. It's the circle is represents
• 53:06
  the South. There's so many different
• 53:09
  interpretations. So in this I mean, I'm going to
• 53:13
  nail down and say, okay, Todd, this dream last night.
• 53:16
  Here is what it means but we can begin to circle around it and
• 53:22
  when I feel like when I'm listening to a dream, I'm also
• 53:26
  listening with my body and what I'm aware of this.
• 53:30
  When you talked about this character who enters in, I mean
• 53:34
  getting the kids what you said, I don't like to be frantic, I
• 53:38
  don't like being late. That kind of it was like made a
• 53:43
  lot of sense that the dream is affirming and very affirming
• 53:48
  that that isn't a way that you want to live.
• 53:52
  If anything, it just feels like yes, an affirmation but then
• 53:57
  this guy shows up And soon as you start talking about that, I
• 54:03
  feel in me, like a kind of enlivening Interest, like I call
• 54:08
  it a click or a kind of a hum start, so it's somatic.
• 54:14
  It's like, okay, when something is happening here with this
• 54:19
  character. And to me, he feels and, you
• 54:22
  know, the archetype of the Shadows.
• 54:25
  Yes. So the shadow archetype is that
• 54:29
  part of us that we either because our family rejected it
• 54:34
  or the culture rejects it we kind of push it away.
• 54:40
  Like for me it was my as a as a woman.
• 54:44
  What was in my shadow was my aggression my ambition took me a
• 54:47
  long time. I would dream about these you
• 54:50
  know, very ambitious people and I'd be like why am I dreaming?
• 54:55
  Being about that or I would feel Envy of people who were finding
• 54:59
  a lot of success. Until I finally said, oh, you
• 55:02
  know, this is a shadow part of me and become integrating it.
• 55:06
  I know I'm jumping around a little bit here but this guy
• 55:11
  who's sort of taking your bike for a joyride or then possibly
• 55:16
  tricking you so it can be stolen while you're talking to him.
• 55:22
  Feels like a shadow part feels like a A part that might need,
• 55:28
  you know it could be a part that is actually dangerous and needs
• 55:35
  to be gotten rid of but my senses there might be something
• 55:38
  more in there, like some some awareness of how this dialogue
• 55:45
  with the shadow part. There's a little inner work
• 55:51
  around that. So, he seems a little bit like a
• 55:58
  trickster to me. Yeah.
• 56:04
  I feel that a bit and yeah and a trickster who's unconscious is
• 56:11
  dangerous, you know, he got you into a situation where your bike
• 56:16
  got stolen because you were distracted.
• 56:21
  Or brought into a conversation kind of LED down some kind of a
• 56:25
  path that first. It seemed good but then it kind
• 56:29
  of turned into nothing. But what I would wonder is, if
• 56:35
  you kind of go in a little bit and just think, is there a part
• 56:39
  of you? so that's like a part of you,
• 56:44
  that is Could be a trickster part that actually needs to be
• 56:52
  not ignored or pushed away because it's a dream is saying
• 56:58
  that by ignoring or pushing it away, something very important
• 57:02
  to you, your bike your mode of transportation.
• 57:06
  Something that gives you, you know, a way to move in the world
• 57:11
  could somehow be jeopardized the only thing that comes up for me
• 57:17
  when you say that is, I'm not very proud of a lot of things
• 57:21
  that I did in my youth and stealing was part of that.
• 57:25
  And so, I wonder if there's any sort of like karmic record there
• 57:30
  that's coming up. I just, I lacked what I would
• 57:34
  call Integrity, I didn't have any sense of I didn't carry any
• 57:41
  sort of sense of consequence. If I took something that I know
• 57:44
  didn't belong to me, it was just for my gain, and that was that I
• 57:49
  didn't really. I think too much else about it.
• 57:54
  Does that mean anything first? Yeah and first of all, I want to
• 57:57
  really acknowledge that you shared something.
• 58:02
  You know, that's that's raw and that's very honest.
• 58:07
  And I and I want to say I'm taking that in and really
• 58:10
  holding it with respect and compassion, you know.
• 58:15
  We don't know each other that well, this is like our first,
• 58:18
  this is the session s things. Yes, I can date and so
• 58:22
  pericardium. Cardi and you know, like like I
• 58:24
  really want to take that in Todd.
• 58:26
  Yeah, and this house and it's just going to say it's not
• 58:29
  something that's hard for me to share because it's it is part of
• 58:33
  who I am today and I learned greatly from it and I know I
• 58:40
  would not be the person I am today having conversations like
• 58:43
  this and helping other people lead more virtuous lives if I
• 58:48
  hadn't gone through that myself. Exactly and Bravo.
• 58:52
  And thank you. You like that's like, you know,
• 58:54
  owning your Shadow as a Healer, you know.
• 58:58
  And so, I love what you just said, but the other thing that's
• 59:02
  going on for me, of course, it's inside of me.
• 59:04
  I'm getting like, like my little tingle Tingle excitement, the
• 59:09
  real image of these dreams that was like totally grabbed me, was
• 59:14
  the Snoopy Dog address book that you had were young?
• 59:18
  And I was like, so taking that as like there's an architect.
• 59:23
  There. And then, when I heard you say,
• 59:25
  you were a theme, I was like, ah, it's noop dog, like you,
• 59:29
  there was a job there. And so for me, that's where the
• 59:33
  Poetry starts. Well, an address book is poetic,
• 59:37
  you know, and it's cluing us that there's something from the
• 59:41
  past, as you said, that still needs to be polished or reckoned
• 59:48
  with and I think transformed and it's the address book which I
• 59:53
  don't know if it was Snoopy or not, but it was very, it was a
• 59:56
  kids book and at first came into play in, this is really strange
• 1:00:01
  at a game of some sort, like a basketball or a football game.
• 1:00:06
  And the ref took this point, it was a football and was convinced
• 1:00:11
  that there was trickery afoot and felt like there was
• 1:00:16
  something in the ball that was altering the performance of it.
• 1:00:22
  So we cut it open with a razor blade reaches is feel.
• 1:00:25
  This is the dream. This is the dream that is yeah,
• 1:00:29
  he cuts it open and inside, is this little address book, this
• 1:00:36
  proof that there's been treachery and he pulls it out
• 1:00:40
  and he's looking through it and I'm for some reason, right
• 1:00:42
  beside. I'm like, huh?
• 1:00:43
  My name on the cover of that little tiny Snoopy address book.
• 1:00:47
  I have like I've no idea and eventually that became that cut
• 1:00:53
  open football became like a piece of fabric and it was like
• 1:00:58
  a giant duvet and I was inside it and I was examining the
• 1:01:02
  stitches to find out. How did someone put that address
• 1:01:04
  book inside of this? There must be evidence within
• 1:01:07
  the stitching. Right.
• 1:01:11
  All of these dreams now, is there unfolding and I mean, I
• 1:01:16
  guess for some people who are listening to this and I suppose
• 1:01:19
  I say this to the pedal Laurie, I don't know if anyone is still
• 1:01:22
  listening and it's point, it might just be for you.
• 1:01:42
  Little small book that was hidden inside and the referee
• 1:01:47
  saying the game, there's something about the game, and
• 1:01:51
  there's something about this concern of it being rigged, or
• 1:01:56
  there's trickery involved. And then you tell me, you know,
• 1:02:00
  that as a younger person that that archetype of the thief, the
• 1:02:04
  trickster was, you know, active in you in.
• 1:02:09
  Not so involved, not such an evolved way, but where I would
• 1:02:15
  go with this. Now, Well, something just came
• 1:02:19
  up for me before you go into that.
• 1:02:21
  This just dawned on me. One of the moments of Deceit
• 1:02:27
  that I'm least. Well, now I'm not proud of any
• 1:02:30
  of them, but one that's still kind of bothers me is when I was
• 1:02:33
  in university. I was often involved in.
• 1:02:37
  Scalping tickets and where I grew up that wasn't illegal so
• 1:02:41
  that was just a thing buying tickets, cheap reselling, them
• 1:02:43
  high. But there was one particular
• 1:02:45
  football game at University that I went.
• 1:02:47
  To that. I sold some tickets to some
• 1:02:49
  people, that I knew, they probably couldn't use because
• 1:02:53
  they were student tickets. And these weren't potentially
• 1:02:58
  probably weren't students that I sold them to and that's still
• 1:03:01
  one that ways it still weighs on me.
• 1:03:04
  I'm just I feel like, yeah, that was a really I knew I was doing
• 1:03:10
  something rotten when I did it and I still did it and for me
• 1:03:15
  the greed of getting $500 on the other side, which at that time
• 1:03:20
  was like a fortune to me. We're however much it was.
• 1:03:23
  But yeah, it was it was worth it.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. But now obviously looking back
• 1:03:28
  at like, now that that wasn't worth it. so, I'm wondering if
• 1:03:32
  that football at that, all of that is actually symbolic of
• 1:03:39
  that particular Moment In Time. I mean I do feel in listening
• 1:03:46
  and also the fact that the address book reminds you of this
• 1:03:51
  book that you had when you were young, it doesn't remind me of a
• 1:03:55
  particular book. No.
• 1:03:56
  Okay. Just would be like a book that a
• 1:03:58
  kid would have yes. But that's still good and even
• 1:04:02
  like you said, you don't know. So this is all how I work.
• 1:04:05
  So even though you don't know for a fact that it was Snoopy,
• 1:04:08
  the fact that you mentioned Snoopy in the dream world.
• 1:04:12
  All this is What we call the like material.
• 1:04:15
  It's all dream data. It's how like the brain actually
• 1:04:20
  works on this level of making all these intertwining
• 1:04:23
  connections that aren't linear. But if you stay with them, like
• 1:04:28
  a wholeness forms out of what seems like chaos.
• 1:04:32
  Okay. So you're working with
• 1:04:34
  associations now that are beginning to form a picture of
• 1:04:38
  an archetype, which is one of the primary archetypes, which is
• 1:04:43
  the thief, the trickster, and that archetype of courses, it's
• 1:04:50
  easy to see. It's negative side.
• 1:04:53
  And you, as we said, you know, as a teenager, we're living a
• 1:04:58
  sort of inefficient or uninvolved expression of that
• 1:05:03
  archetype, the trickster Thief, but it also has a positive side,
• 1:05:12
  a very positive side. You know, the, the original
• 1:05:18
  plant, the earlier more umbrella archetype of this.
• 1:05:24
  Trickster Thief is Mercury, the messenger, and the god Mercury,
• 1:05:30
  the god of communication. And, and Mercury was also the
• 1:05:35
  god of the marketplace of the, you know, the of transactions.
• 1:05:41
  And I'm looking at you with your podcasts and your tremendous
• 1:05:46
  capacity to deliver information, your dedication to information,
• 1:05:52
  and communication. Occation and connection.
• 1:05:54
  And I'm seeing the archetype of mercury, very enliven, right
• 1:05:59
  before me. So I feel like the dream, if I
• 1:06:04
  were to say what's this dream asking for of Todd.
• 1:06:10
  I would say that there's definitely an evolution of the
• 1:06:16
  archetype that's underway. There's also I feel in listening
• 1:06:23
  to you an invitation to action steps because that's what I
• 1:06:30
  always say. The ultimate work of the Dream
• 1:06:33
  Work is to get some information, some Revelation which I think is
• 1:06:38
  beginning to come through. And then asking the question,
• 1:06:43
  what is the dream need from you or want from you as far as an
• 1:06:48
  actual action step in the outer world?
• 1:06:55
  And that can take the form of ritual.
• 1:07:01
  And so, I feel like there's something around this, still
• 1:07:04
  this feeling that you haven't quite redeemed.
• 1:07:07
  The scalping tickets. It's not quite complete as a
• 1:07:13
  redemption or transformation. So that's one piece, but the
• 1:07:20
  other piece that I'm really interested in, it's hot as how
• 1:07:25
  does this trickster Thief Mercury, move it into an even
• 1:07:31
  higher octave in your life right now because it's active.
• 1:07:36
  I mean, you're already living in a really wonderful, you know,
• 1:07:41
  inspiring and livened way. But to me, the dream is saying
• 1:07:46
  Your maybe more. But is that the more requires
• 1:07:50
  that you be very careful about the danger of it becoming
• 1:07:56
  frantic or, you know, taking on too much of There's something
• 1:08:03
  also of a warning in that dream. So we need.
• 1:08:06
  What? How does that resonate?
• 1:08:10
  one thing that came up when you said the church trickster thief
• 1:08:12
  of mercury is I now live on a farm called Ravenhill and the
• 1:08:18
  Ravens are always flying by. And, and cawing, of course, they
• 1:08:25
  are the ultimate trickster trickster thieves, so that just
• 1:08:29
  popped up for me. Amazing, literally watching them
• 1:08:32
  fly outside of my studio. But back to the, the bigger
• 1:08:38
  question and before we go to the bigger question, I'm going to
• 1:08:42
  just interrupt to say that's a synchronicity.
• 1:08:46
  So in this realm of Dream Work of archetype of the deep psyche,
• 1:08:51
  when things start to, what are like, meaningful coincidences,
• 1:08:57
  that's what a synchronicity is or pieces.
• 1:08:59
  Start coming together. Like when I heard the word snoop
• 1:09:03
  see Ray. Raven trickster.
• 1:09:06
  You know that the Deep psyche. The unconscious is becoming
• 1:09:10
  activated so I feel like yes that's an affirmation that we're
• 1:09:15
  on track of something. Yeah so these Ravens yes and
• 1:09:21
  Mercury with the wing. God of course hmm.
• 1:09:26
  Sorry back what freshman what was the question again?
• 1:09:31
  No what is what could be the I'm actually left with two
• 1:09:37
  questions. What could be a ritual of
• 1:09:40
  redemption? For that scalped ticket for
• 1:09:44
  those tickets. Well, as I said I feel like the
• 1:09:47
  work that I do now is extremely related to that.
• 1:09:56
  Earlier archetype that, I lived out as the thief and the
• 1:09:59
  trickster. Because now, as a as a father as
• 1:10:06
  someone who guides and mentors men, I have that as my
• 1:10:12
  superpower, hope that sound of Integrity, that I totally lack
• 1:10:16
  before. So I can, I can better help
• 1:10:19
  people to step into their, find their sin step into their is
• 1:10:23
  because I had to go through it myself and And now, I'm the type
• 1:10:27
  of person where, if I find money on the ground, I'm going to look
• 1:10:32
  around and try to find Who belongs to.
• 1:10:34
  We were actually downhill mountain biking, the other week,
• 1:10:39
  and someone had dropped a full water bottle somewhere on the
• 1:10:43
  mountain and I picked it up and on the way down every person we
• 1:10:48
  pass. Like did you lose a water
• 1:10:49
  bottle? Did you lose a water bottle and
• 1:10:51
  the whole time? I know my son really wanted a
• 1:10:53
  water bottle for his bike but that Wasn't the way I wanted him
• 1:10:57
  to, to acquire it. By taking it potentially from
• 1:11:01
  someone who would left it on the Mountainside and it wasn't until
• 1:11:05
  we got to the bottom and I exhausted asking everyone that I
• 1:11:09
  considered giving it to him. But then I said no, let's take
• 1:11:12
  it to the lost and found and we'll leave it there and it was
• 1:11:15
  like a three dollar water bottle so I don't think anyone really
• 1:11:18
  was going to come looking for it but that's just what I wanted to
• 1:11:22
  do with it and what I felt was the right thing to do with it
• 1:11:25
  whereas As backup, 30 years. Anything I find is mine even if
• 1:11:31
  I'm not actually finding it, even if I can just get away with
• 1:11:33
  taking it. No.
• 1:11:36
  But that's a beautiful, beautiful example of a ritual of
• 1:11:41
  redemption that you're teaching your son just by doing that and
• 1:11:46
  he experiencing that choice with you, you know, and that he will
• 1:11:51
  get the water bottle in some other way, feels powerful and
• 1:11:58
  interesting that it had to do with.
• 1:12:02
  Well, would it should we just pick it up and take it kind of
• 1:12:06
  tricks? Our Thief have the bikes or in
• 1:12:10
  there. There's some, you know,
• 1:12:12
  constellation of pieces of the dream happening.
• 1:12:17
  So I feel like that's clearly underway in your psyche.
• 1:12:25
  I still wonder just given that you see you still have a sense
• 1:12:31
  of this memory of incompletion around the scalp tickets as part
• 1:12:38
  of moving to the higher Octave of the Mercury trickster
• 1:12:44
  archetype and even the bike. The fact that that's dream is
• 1:12:48
  about your capacity to move to travel to to move swiftly.
• 1:12:54
  Just what Mercury Likes to do, I would still say in my book, like
• 1:13:00
  there could be some and ritual can be extremely small.
• 1:13:04
  Like that's the action step that the dream asks for.
• 1:13:08
  So it could be something as simple as I mean.
• 1:13:11
  Again, I'm not going to make the ritual for you.
• 1:13:14
  I'm just giving an example of getting a ticket and giving it
• 1:13:19
  as a gift of Charity, a lot, you know, maybe finding some
• 1:13:25
  Organization, you know where you give that as a gift to some, for
• 1:13:31
  some kid, to go to something that they couldn't otherwise go
• 1:13:35
  to and it just or, you know, again, that's just an example of
• 1:13:39
  a ritual that is a response to a dream.
• 1:13:44
  And I'll often invite people and I'm not saying that's the ritual
• 1:13:48
  you should do, but just to keep in mind if that opportunity
• 1:13:52
  arises because Something's Cooking there, but the other
• 1:13:57
  piece of the dream is that I do feel Todd.
• 1:14:02
  Like there's some invitation that this dream is bringing to
• 1:14:09
  you of using your skill, using your Mercurial even
• 1:14:17
  gamesmanship. To take ownership of that being
• 1:14:24
  very aware of the potential, you know, distractions or the ways
• 1:14:32
  that things could speed up. So very in a very grounded,
• 1:14:37
  methodical way just reflecting on.
• 1:14:43
  How could you use that capacity to actually augment the work
• 1:14:49
  you're already doing? that would be my question and
• 1:14:55
  I'm not saying we're going to figure it out right here and now
• 1:14:58
  on the spa, But the integration of even this thief archetype I'm
• 1:15:07
  going to share something that I heard recently that I feel is
• 1:15:11
  relevant and it comes from a guy Baio Akumal off and if you know
• 1:15:17
  his work but he's a he's a really sort of incredible voice
• 1:15:22
  on the planet right now who I'm following a lot and he is of
• 1:15:27
  African descent, but he studied at Pacific College.
• 1:15:30
  College. He's a PHD psychologist but very
• 1:15:33
  rooted in African traditions and studying a lot about history of
• 1:15:40
  slavery and how slaves survived through and looking at, like how
• 1:15:46
  can we apply that now, To what's happening on the planet now and
• 1:15:52
  he said this thing. He said, you know, it's not at
• 1:15:56
  the current time on the planet it's not necessarily any more
• 1:15:59
  about speaking truth to power. You know there you there was a
• 1:16:03
  whole thing about we have to speak up and have to speak the
• 1:16:06
  truth and we have to say what we believe in fight for what we
• 1:16:09
  believe these had some of the slaves when they would run away,
• 1:16:14
  there's like called Meritage, they would get off the
• 1:16:17
  plantations or they'd run into the RS through the swamps that
• 1:16:21
  they would do it. They weren't going to tell
• 1:16:24
  everyone their plans, they kept things sort of to themselves,
• 1:16:28
  and they might even not tell the truth because telling the truth
• 1:16:32
  could jeopardize their lives. So in service of this new
• 1:16:38
  Liberation, or some of the work that some of us are doing now to
• 1:16:43
  transform Consciousness, there may be a need for the kind.
• 1:16:49
  Kind of subterfuge or holding back on everything that you
• 1:16:55
  think or know that actually furthers the healing and the
• 1:17:00
  transformation that's underway. And that it's a very it's
• 1:17:05
  contract counterintuitive for me, it makes me think a little
• 1:17:10
  differently but I came to me when I was listening to you,
• 1:17:15
  that there may be some skill sets now with the new New level
• 1:17:19
  of integrity and morality that you have that you can use not in
• 1:17:25
  this lower octave, but in a higher octave.
• 1:17:29
  So if I'm hearing this, right? It's basically taking what is an
• 1:17:34
  archetype of trickster Thief that typically would be seen as
• 1:17:37
  a negative and Throughout ization of that.
• 1:17:43
  Finding the positive? Yes.
• 1:17:49
  That would be an integration of the Shadows.
• 1:17:52
  Hmm. That shows up in that dream the
• 1:17:56
  quote unquote bad guy and so this is kind of mirroring what
• 1:18:03
  you said about the archetypes, are they're not good or bad.
• 1:18:10
  They just are and it's how we use them, just as a raven, the
• 1:18:15
  ultimate trickster thief and myth is, it's not bad because
• 1:18:19
  it's a trickster Thief. Nope, it's that's Chrome that
• 1:18:25
  that's Raven medicine but then how you know, every medicine can
• 1:18:29
  either heal or poison. Yes, So it's how you use the
• 1:18:36
  medicine that you were given. Which, I mean again I'm only
• 1:18:40
  getting to know you, but I feel that archetype of mercury, the
• 1:18:45
  communicator, you know, the mediator, you know, the one who
• 1:18:49
  can transmit information but also sleight of hand.
• 1:18:54
  But also, you know, the merchant, the one in the who's
• 1:18:57
  moving things from one place to another.
• 1:19:01
  You it's information, it's learning.
• 1:19:05
  It's a beautiful part of you but it had gotten distorted as a
• 1:19:08
  young /, you hadn't evolved it yet, right?
• 1:19:11
  And yet, as you say, you wouldn't be who you are.
• 1:19:13
  Now, you've already worked with it.
• 1:19:16
  Could any of that be related to, to some of the work that I do
• 1:19:20
  with men and that when we're on our Retreats I'm just part of
• 1:19:25
  that with them. And really, my biggest role is
• 1:19:30
  just making sure that we kind of stay on Ask, so to speak, but I
• 1:19:38
  like to create containers where the men can come up with their
• 1:19:41
  own realization, so almost tricking them into realizing
• 1:19:48
  where I'm trying to get them, but I'm not actually pointing it
• 1:19:51
  out to them. And so a lot of that comes from
• 1:19:55
  just having opportunities for all the men who are there
• 1:19:57
  together to connect and interact and to call each other out on
• 1:20:02
  our ship. When we are out of integrity,
• 1:20:05
  But I find that it often happens in our way where the person is
• 1:20:09
  like, oh okay, I see what's going on here and they actually
• 1:20:13
  connect a to zed without someone taking them through all the
• 1:20:17
  steps. Exactly.
• 1:20:19
  And also see that's your master gamesmanship because, you know,
• 1:20:25
  that there's a higher. There's a, there's a containing
• 1:20:29
  intelligence of a group that's bigger.
• 1:20:33
  It's greater than Your individual telling him the truth
• 1:20:38
  or one-man figuring it out. Once you're working with group
• 1:20:43
  and energies in this Mercurial way, you're actually allowing,
• 1:20:50
  you know, through that capacity and you to see that there's
• 1:20:54
  something that can develop, it isn't a way.
• 1:20:57
  It's a trickster ish thing but in a very positive way and very
• 1:21:02
  evolved, you know there's always A trickster in a fairy tale or a
• 1:21:06
  myth. It's a very important lynchpin
• 1:21:10
  of the story. And in that is knowing, you
• 1:21:14
  know, that, our rational mind isn't the end-all be-all of his
• 1:21:18
  situation. And there are a lot of other
• 1:21:22
  intelligences and energies that come from different levels.
• 1:21:30
  Not think, when I woke up this morning with his dream of
• 1:21:34
  rattling, in my head, love my work.
• 1:21:38
  I love, you know, it is a little bit like, you know, opening the
• 1:21:43
  dream and believe me, you know, when you told me your dream or
• 1:21:46
  a, my patient, send me a dream. My first initial response is.
• 1:21:50
  Oh my gosh. What am I gonna do with this?
• 1:21:54
  It does. It's like someone just like X
• 1:21:56
  through a whole bunch of paint on the floor.
• 1:21:59
  And Jackie, make a picture out of his hair.
• 1:22:01
  But I've learned just like you, I do the same thing.
• 1:22:05
  I like lean back because you know, I trust I really really
• 1:22:10
  trust the wisdom of the psyche. Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  So this in a we have an only talked about this but let's say
• 1:22:19
  we've been talking about this for 40 minutes or so at least
• 1:22:23
  yeah that's a lot of time for someone to spend end.
• 1:22:28
  Each day, journaling their dreams or telling someone their
• 1:22:32
  dreams and analyzing it and trying to get a message out of
• 1:22:35
  it. So how does that, what are the
• 1:22:39
  practical aspects of this? How does someone actually take
• 1:22:43
  this in a way that can be integrated into their life
• 1:22:47
  without it? Requiring a big chunk of time
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  that could be spent, maybe doing something else.
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  Beneficial Right. I mean, believe me, I don't
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  spend an hour every day on my dreams.
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  There are many many mornings where I'll just jot it down,
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  literally, like, even this morning, I just jotted down two
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  sentences because I had a dream, I was making sandwiches and the
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  city, we need some of it was just like, okay, that's
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  obviously, you know, my whole sort of digestive tract, you
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  know, whatever. I'm not going to spend a lot of
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  time. There was this one image that
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  was I was walking down a sort of Twilight City street and there's
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  a kind of scaffolding and then I looked and I saw on the other
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  side of the scaffolding, where these carved figner figurines,
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  that were hidden. That's it.
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  I'm just wrote that down in my journal.
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  I didn't do any work with it. I barely, I mean, I sat baby for
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  two minutes and I thought well, if those figurines are part of
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  me They're like some Shadows that you're not paying attention
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  to that are lurking back there or something hidden.
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  Yeah, what's hidden? What's kind of being but also
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  maybe needs to be protected still so that's enough.
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  I don't need to do more with that dream today, but it's the
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  first benefit of Dream Work is remembering the dream.
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  The second benefit is either jotting it down or Telling
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  somebody. So that's why Benjamin and I
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  wake up and we'll just say what did you dream?
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  Would you dream takes 3 minutes. Yeah.
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  And what if the dream sorry to interrupt but what if the dream
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  is something where you and your intimate partner?
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  And there's something that happened in your dream, that you
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  don't really feel comfortable sharing with your intimate
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  Partners such as a sexual dream with another individual.
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  Well, that's why Benjamin and I have work to be able to we
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  actually do tell each other those dreams and there's some
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  work there in holding your neutrality.
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  I mean we've been doing it for so many years that we're just
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  used to it now, you know? But what it's actually opens up
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  for us is like I'll say, oh, so that particularly say aggressive
• 1:25:18
  person Your dream. That was kind of turn two, turn
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  on. Maybe you're asking me to bring
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  more aggression to our relationship, to be more
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  forthcoming and what I want. And I'll actually take an accent
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  action step in and make a change around it, or more likely with
• 1:25:40
  him. You know, I have this dream of
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  someone being super, like, cuddly and affectionate and
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  physical and he's like, oh, right, I haven't been paying
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  attention. Into your body enough lately.
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  But that takes a lot of work. I mean that you know, again to
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  start with, you don't have to. You can be a tricks, you don't
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  have to tell all your dreams. You could be, you can move into
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  this process. Well, I'm sure in that juicy
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  stuff is where most of the magic happens.
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  Yeah. Can you do this on your own?
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  Are you a good person to interpret your dreams or does it
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  help to have? Someone to share them with who
• 1:26:22
  maybe is not trained and interpreting dreams.
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  It's a both/and Todd. I think you know from you can
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  already see for me all dream work is good.
• 1:26:32
  Dreams work. Yeah.
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  So just writing them down and then there's some really simple
• 1:26:38
  ways that you work on your dreams without having meeting
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  anyone else there. One of them is like, what we
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  just did, just asking that question.
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  How could this be related to my life today?
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  Even like the feeling sometimes, the symbols seem like they don't
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  mean anything. But, like, say the feeling in my
• 1:27:04
  dream of something behind a scaffolding, or the feeling in
• 1:27:08
  your dream of like things. Rushing, being late to get the
• 1:27:12
  kids to school, how's that feeling?
• 1:27:15
  Where's that feeling showing up in my life?
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  And what maybe do I need to do to shift that a little bit?
• 1:27:24
  Okay. In our book, I mean, in the
• 1:27:26
  Alchemy of inner work, there's a chapter where I really break it
• 1:27:30
  down. Really simply steps to working
• 1:27:33
  with a dream that are totally self guided.
• 1:27:36
  Yes, so that's a way to start but it's also really fun like
• 1:27:43
  what we just did you know, just chatting with another person and
• 1:27:47
  going through the steps is and I feel like I know you so much
• 1:27:51
  better now. Like I really He'll wow like
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  that. I know a part of Todd that I
• 1:27:58
  wouldn't have gotten to know if we hadn't worked with the dream
• 1:28:03
  that way, right? And that kind of deep intimate
• 1:28:08
  knowing for me that I love that, you know, I'm an introverted.
• 1:28:12
  I'm like I love knowing feeling level, you know, but I think
• 1:28:17
  it's valuable in our world. I think that kind of listening
• 1:28:21
  that kind of knowing each Each other is like the antidote as
• 1:28:26
  you're saying to. The blame to the victimization,
• 1:28:29
  to the anger, to the polarizing. You know, like listening to each
• 1:28:33
  other in a dream circle is a very connecting experience and
• 1:28:39
  we we do it on Zoom with our students.
• 1:28:42
  We have incredible dreams circles in the zoom room, people
• 1:28:47
  can go really deep like with you.
• 1:28:52
  What are you doing all this? Dream journals.
• 1:28:56
  Do you read that? Well, they're right here behind
• 1:29:01
  me in a box now, labeled, and I do read them, you know, it's
• 1:29:07
  pretty fascinating to go back to dream journals, I kept 20 years
• 1:29:12
  ago, and look at them. Now, But obviously I'm not
• 1:29:19
  saying everyone should do this. This is my work.
• 1:29:22
  You know I work with the psyche this is my passion.
• 1:29:25
  So but currently I'm actually going back and looking at the
• 1:29:31
  dream journals along with some biographical data than I'm
• 1:29:36
  working with and really helping me piece together a growth
• 1:29:42
  pattern in my own life that's underway.
• 1:29:46
  I mean. I will just say, a couple years
• 1:29:51
  ago, I had a dream about a huge tree that was leaning.
• 1:29:59
  And that's that's what that was a big dream.
• 1:30:01
  That was one of those young Big Dreams because I'm still working
• 1:30:03
  with that dream, two years later and how it was talking about a
• 1:30:10
  very radical reorganizing in my own inner being, that's
• 1:30:15
  underway. Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  So the dream journals. Yeah, I find them valuable for
• 1:30:21
  me as a way to go back and see you know my own growth my own
• 1:30:27
  shifts on a soul level, very interesting.
• 1:30:37
  Yeah, that was fun. That's like what I love doing
• 1:30:41
  that. I do it every day and I love it
• 1:30:44
  and you know, I think like coming back to the church.
• 1:30:48
  Trickster archetype for me. I think it's kind of the sleuth.
• 1:30:53
  So when I get that dream and I have that immediate feeling like
• 1:30:57
  okay, what have we got here? Then I kind of leaned back and I
• 1:31:03
  kind of say to the Dreamweaver right, help me out here.
• 1:31:06
  Let's relax into this and wait for the synchronicities to form,
• 1:31:11
  but it's a little Sherlock Holmes like because I'm
• 1:31:15
  listening for the places, like I said, where the body felt since
• 1:31:19
  gets activated and I'm looking for where the Poetry shapes up
• 1:31:25
  like the words that have double meanings places where, you know,
• 1:31:30
  the real life in the dream life start to synchronize.
• 1:31:35
  So you're actually it's a little bit of a mystery game.
• 1:31:39
  Yeah it is but it has big in big resonance for how people
• 1:31:46
  actually live their lives. Hmm.
• 1:31:50
  There you go. So, you mentioned and I just
• 1:31:53
  want to reiterate, there is a chapter and your newest book,
• 1:31:56
  The Alchemy of inner work and for anyone who's interested in
• 1:31:59
  that, we spend a whole lot of time in our previous episode,
• 1:32:03
  talking about it and there's a book review on my website for
• 1:32:07
  that. It's an incredible book so I
• 1:32:09
  definitely recommend it. You said you're working on a
• 1:32:13
  book related to dreams. Is that what I heard?
• 1:32:17
  Correct know this. Next book isn't so much related.
• 1:32:20
  It's just that I'm using the dreams as a thread in the book
• 1:32:24
  itself. But in that sense I would say,
• 1:32:27
  you know, another use of these dream journals is in our
• 1:32:31
  creative lives, know it. They're very activating to that.
• 1:32:37
  Yes. But in our community that
• 1:32:41
  Benjamin and I mod moderate and and cultivate and care for At
• 1:32:48
  the inner healing Circle it. And you possibility, we do have
• 1:32:53
  a week, a monthly Meetup, where people sometimes bring dreams,
• 1:32:56
  and we will be having a couple of sessions on Dream, Work Down
• 1:33:01
  the Line. So, in our community, most
• 1:33:04
  everyone in the community is has in one way or another dip their
• 1:33:08
  toes into this, this realm so people are welcome to check that
• 1:33:13
  out too. Yeah, well, tell us a bit more
• 1:33:15
  where can people find out about it and what's the opportunity
• 1:33:18
  for? M.
• 1:33:20
  So just come to a new possibility.com, which is our
• 1:33:26
  website and then there's a link that people can click on to join
• 1:33:32
  the community and there's actually a free we can join for
• 1:33:36
  a week and just come in and sleuth around scope around and
• 1:33:41
  see what's going on inside. There's lots of conversations,
• 1:33:46
  lots of really exciting classes that people Take you don't those
• 1:33:52
  are available classes on using Flower Essences on working with
• 1:33:59
  different acupuncture points, actually Spirit of the points
• 1:34:03
  that people anyone can use. Not just acupuncturists.
• 1:34:07
  And we have all kinds of interesting other classes.
• 1:34:11
  They're available to they're all about what we call Soul work
• 1:34:16
  working at this level that you and I have been talking about
• 1:34:19
  about Working with the non-physical.
• 1:34:24
  Aspects of our being that we believe are kind of critical
• 1:34:30
  aspects of our Humanity. Our souls can't be measured,
• 1:34:35
  can't be pinned down. And yet so much a part of our
• 1:34:39
  experience in a lifetime qualitative experience of being
• 1:34:44
  human. Great.
• 1:34:48
  I'll put that in the show notes for people to go and check that
• 1:34:51
  out. Thank you Todd.
• 1:34:54
  Thank you for coming back on. And spending this time with me,
• 1:34:58
  it's been very educational and enlightening.
• 1:35:01
  And I'm going to look into this Mercury and the trickster techno
• 1:35:05
  really, I might send you something, please, please do.
• 1:35:09
  Yeah. It's a, it's a really great
• 1:35:11
  archetype and I know you and Benjamin are going to talk about
• 1:35:13
  astrology, and no doubt Mercury will show up again.
• 1:35:18
  Scheduling. It's a guiding archetype for
• 1:35:20
  you. Yeah, and thank you.
• 1:35:23
  Thank you for being forthcoming and actually willing to jump
• 1:35:28
  into the pool. You could do some work.
• 1:35:31
  Yeah, it's fun. It's it's why I feel honored to
• 1:35:35
  be able to do this and get to have this learning experience
• 1:35:39
  with you directly and be able to share it with others so they can
• 1:35:42
  also benefit from it. So thank you for.
• 1:35:45
  Yeah. And I want to say in response,
• 1:35:47
  It's thank you, because I, what's really gratifying for me
• 1:35:51
  is in are doing this little bit of work.
• 1:35:54
  I also know that it extends out from you to touch so many
• 1:35:58
  others. And as you just do this little
• 1:36:02
  bit of your own inner work that it will actually in, who knows
• 1:36:06
  how and what way, move back out into all the men you work with
• 1:36:11
  and the students who work with, you know, as we continue to try
• 1:36:16
  and he'll Foreman Alchemy lies the lead into gold on our planet
• 1:36:22
  at this pivotal moment. Here we go.
• 1:36:27
  Yeah, great, thank you again. Thank you.
• 1:36:30
  Alright. Okay alright see you next time
• 1:36:35
  Todd. Thanks again.
• 1:36:37
  Bye. Thanks for listening to this
• 1:36:47
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• 1:36:53
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