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The pitchers the Cubs could target at the trade deadline · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: Zajada Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. It is
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Speaker 1: not even mid May, but look, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: what every what's on everyone's mind. The Cubs lost two
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Speaker 1: of three to the Rangers. I mean, if you look
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Speaker 1: at how those games went, if you want to be
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Speaker 1: concerned about the offense, you can be concerned about the offense.
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Speaker 1: Two games getting shut out in a row. You know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think offense. I tried say this every season when
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Speaker 1: the offense is doing really well, like these things go
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Speaker 1: in waves with offense. I still think this is a deep,
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Speaker 1: talented offense and they're gonna score a lot of runs
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Speaker 1: and continue to score a lot of runs. But we
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Speaker 1: know what the need is on this team. Everybody knows
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Speaker 1: what the need is on this team. Matthew Boyd's out
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Speaker 1: for six ish weeks, Kate Horton is out for the season.
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Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera looks okay but not great. It doesn't look
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Speaker 1: like a dominant force out there, and that's kind of
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Speaker 1: like jameson Tian's are really good, like mid rotation arm
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Speaker 1: showed him and Agua has been great. You need more arms.
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Speaker 1: We don't know when Justin Steel is coming back exactly,
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Speaker 1: so let's talk trade. I know it's not gonna happen today.
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Speaker 1: I think Patrick Bailey was traded by the Giants. That
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Speaker 1: was an early trade, aggressive move by Cleveland, a defense
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Speaker 1: first guy that you know, arguably one of the best
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Speaker 1: defensive catchers in the game, So that there was a
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Speaker 1: move that happened. But I don't know if the Giants
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Speaker 1: are in full cell mode. But that's a team that
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Speaker 1: even before this trade, that trade went down, that you
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Speaker 1: and I had kind of circled as Hey, here as
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Speaker 1: a team that is struggling and you know, may start
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Speaker 1: selling some pictures at some point. And they have two
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Speaker 1: names that make a lot of sense. One that's an
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Speaker 1: impending free agent and Robbie Ray, who I know the
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Speaker 1: Cubs have had at least interest in. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they were aggressive in trying to sign him when
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Speaker 1: he was a free agent. I don't think that was
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Speaker 1: the case, but they liked Robbie Ray at that time,
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Speaker 1: and now he's an impending free agent. Would make a
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Speaker 1: lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into the Bailey deal
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Speaker 2: in terms of like timing or that things are being accelerated.
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Speaker 2: The Giants are right now one of those just outlier organizations,
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Speaker 2: and that when you have Buster Posey, a Hall of
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Speaker 2: Fame caliber player in the Bay Area who's also part
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Speaker 2: of the ownership group of the Giants, seemingly having issues
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Speaker 2: with the player manning the position that he handled so
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Speaker 2: well for so long, it felt to me like a
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Speaker 2: large scale version of some of the like David Ross
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Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras stuff of how kind of you know, Ross
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Speaker 2: wanted certain things from Wilson, and Wilson brought different things
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Speaker 2: to the table. Not to go down that rabbit hole,
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Speaker 2: but just like the Giants do things differently, so like
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Speaker 2: they're not a.
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Speaker 3: Group think organization.
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Speaker 2: But when you look at you know, they have a
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Speaker 2: manager who had no experience of professional baseball.
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Speaker 3: They're off to a bad start.
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Speaker 2: They could really use an infusion of young talent. They're
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Speaker 2: kind of stuck with a lot of big contracts that
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Speaker 2: right now appear to be underwater, and no doubt Ray
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Speaker 2: I feel like through the year, you know, like they're
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Speaker 2: just names that you hear. I don't know between social media,
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Speaker 2: talking to scouts, talking to club officials, like Robbie Way
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Speaker 2: was just one of those names like oh yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: a guy you know, we'd like, would make sense, appears
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Speaker 2: to be healthy, back on track, would check a lot
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Speaker 2: of boxes.
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Speaker 3: But you also have Logan Webb, who.
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Speaker 2: If he becomes available, would I think, jump to the
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Speaker 2: top of that list of just like a no doubt ace.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we spent a lot of times at
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline talking about, you know, sort of middling
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Speaker 2: players or like they can just like you plug a hole,
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Speaker 2: fill a gap. But I mean this would be he
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Speaker 2: would not be just a rental. It would be like
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Speaker 2: just a foundational piece and really kind of a talent
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Speaker 2: that's disappearing across the game, just like a workhorse, number
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Speaker 2: one starter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe I'm looking at up right now. Three
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Speaker 1: straight seasons with two hundred innings. I mean that that
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Speaker 1: does not happen anymore. So three straight he's on the
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Speaker 1: IL right now with Presidas. I believe in his knee
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Speaker 1: that doesn't I don't want to speculate we're not there
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Speaker 1: covering that team, but just listen hearing that doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: like something that's, oh no, that's going to keep him
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Speaker 1: down for the season type thing. The numbers, the result numbers.
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Speaker 1: You know, his his era is not great right now,
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Speaker 1: but his ground ball rate is great. He's got like
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Speaker 1: the peripherals. Kind of suggests like, look, get this guy healthy,
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Speaker 1: you know, in two three weeks and he's going to
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Speaker 1: be just He's the same pitcher he's gotten Cy Young
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Speaker 1: votes the previous four seasons, finished second in twenty three.
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Speaker 3: This is a.
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Speaker 1: Guy that you'd want starting Game one of the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: He would be maybe I'll say this, this is a
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Speaker 1: guy you would trust starting Game one of the playoffs
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Speaker 1: and in front of that Cubs defense. A guy that
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Speaker 1: gets like fifty five sixty percent ground ball rate. That's insane,
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Speaker 1: Like he'd be so good with the Cubs defense. I
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Speaker 1: just think it would if there's any chance that he's available.
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Speaker 1: I believe two years after this his contract goes, so
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I don't think this is the
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Speaker 1: type of thing where the Giants are gonna be like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're we gotta sell them Robbie Ray. Robbie Ray would
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Speaker 1: be more in that category if the Giants are still
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Speaker 1: if they're if they continue down this path, and it's
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Speaker 1: early July, mid July. Robbie Ray's almost certainly, assuming he's healthy,
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Speaker 1: is almost certainly gonna be available, But he does have
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Speaker 1: a longer injury history Logan Web, this is a rarity
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Speaker 1: for him. Like I just said four straights or did
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Speaker 1: I say three? Three straight seasons of a two hundred innings.
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Speaker 1: I think the year before that was like one hundred
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Speaker 1: and ninety plus the like one hundred and eighty right
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Speaker 1: now is the new two hundred. If you get to
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Speaker 1: under and eighty, that's your workhorse in today's game. It's
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Speaker 1: it's like him and Zach Wheeler. I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: really anyone else that you can trust. If they're healthy,
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Speaker 1: they're going two hundred. These guys are rare. Now. I
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Speaker 1: would take Web in a second, and I think he'd
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Speaker 1: be huge for this for the Cubs if you can
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Speaker 1: somehow prime away, there's another ground ball artist of it
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Speaker 1: that could be available. The Mets, we know that they're struggling.
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Speaker 1: They're they're rough right now. Clay Holmes, he a former
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Speaker 1: reliever for the Yankees, signed with the Mets and start
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Speaker 1: is starting now. He doesn't miss a lot of bats,
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Speaker 1: but he's he's getting results right now, and he gets
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Speaker 1: a ton of ground balls as well. I think the
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Speaker 1: Mets are a team that make, you know, a ton
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Speaker 1: of sense, go see what's available for them. You know,
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Speaker 1: David Stearns, he's done this before where the team struggled.
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Speaker 1: He spent a lot of money. The team struggling got
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Speaker 1: to move guys, and Clay Holmes is one of those
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Speaker 1: names that up immediately.
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Speaker 2: Both names obvious, obvious fits. I just don't see them
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Speaker 2: making that call anytime soon when you're that far invested
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Speaker 2: with a payroll what north of three hundred million, and
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the luxury tax taxes on
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Speaker 2: top of that equate to, off the top of my head,
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Speaker 2: but obviously an enormous sum from a demanding owner in
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Speaker 2: a kind of relentless market, And so I would imagine
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Speaker 2: they would certainly wait that out a lot longer. Nothing
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Speaker 2: imminent the way it was sort of portrayed briefly on
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Speaker 2: social media last week.
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Speaker 3: But both names make a ton of sense. I still
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Speaker 3: think we know this from history.
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Speaker 2: I think it comes to probably lean more towards a
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Speaker 2: rental starter when they're going to look at the price
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Speaker 2: for someone Logan Web and Peralta would be a rental.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Freddy Peralta, you.
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Speaker 2: Probably have a You probably get a nice audience with
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Speaker 2: him too, when he becomes a free agent, given a
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Speaker 2: good relationship with Craig Counsel and you know, just kind
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Speaker 2: of his familiarity with the region. I mean, the Mets
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Speaker 2: have to treat Holmes as a rental type player because
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Speaker 2: he has a player option for next year. I believe
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Speaker 2: it's worth twelve million dollars and assuming he's healthy, he's
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Speaker 2: got opt out and that would be kind of like
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Speaker 2: a no brainer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when so you talk about that rumor. A friend
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Speaker 1: texted me about the Freddy Peralta rumor and I was like, let's,
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Speaker 1: you know, let's revisit that in July. That it's a
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Speaker 1: little early, but he's definitely a name to keep on
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Speaker 1: the radar. And he's like, I got he was at
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Speaker 1: the playoff game and he was like, we gotta we
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Speaker 1: gotta adjust those Freddy Chance, Gotta adjust those Freddy Chance.
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Speaker 1: So so he he's already excited for Freddy Peralta in
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Speaker 1: a Cubs uniform. I don't look, I think he's another
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Speaker 1: guy you'd be very comfortable starting game one of a
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Speaker 1: playoff game. He has owned the Cubs a lot. I
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Speaker 1: don't I didn't look up the numbers on there. I'm
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Speaker 1: going off my gut and feel about how he's done
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Speaker 1: against the Cubs. Obviously the playoff game they got to him,
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Speaker 1: but it feels like it's very rare that the Cubs
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Speaker 1: would get to Freddy Peralta. He seemed to stymy them
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Speaker 1: for the most part. I think he'd be a great addition,
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Speaker 1: and you talk about like you'd have an audience with him,
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Speaker 1: whether it's an impending free agent or someone that's under control,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to talk to, like they need pitching
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Speaker 1: beyond this year. Remember Matthew Boyd jameson Tyewn, I'm missing someone, obviously,
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Speaker 1: Showdai Monaga. They're all they're all free agents at the
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Speaker 1: end of this season. The Cubs are gonna need more
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Speaker 1: rotation help after this season. So if they can either
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Speaker 1: get someone where they lay the groundwork as a free
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Speaker 1: agent like Freddy Peralta and say hey, you loved your
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Speaker 1: two and a half months in Chicago, let's add on
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Speaker 1: and then like make this a long re you know,
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Speaker 1: a long term thing, or someone that's available beyond this
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Speaker 1: year as well. That's that that has to be something
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Speaker 1: that is in the back of their mind, primarily twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. When you're playing this, well, you gotta look
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Speaker 1: at twenty twenty six obviously. All right, let's take a
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Speaker 1: quick break and come back and talk about some other
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Speaker 1: players that may make sense.
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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's keep talking about some of these
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Speaker 1: teams that make sense. How about a name that was
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Speaker 1: connected to the Cubs all a lot of the offseason,
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Speaker 1: and then another name on the Diamondbacks who the Cubs
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Speaker 1: actually had briefly. I don't think Cubs fans loved the
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Speaker 1: Michael Soroka experience, but what we're seeing right now with
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Speaker 1: Soroka is kind of what they envisioned for him. And
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Speaker 1: then obviously Zach Gallan the Diamondbacks. I thought you you
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Speaker 1: wrote this section in our piece. If people don't know
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Speaker 1: this is like I should mention that we we this
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Speaker 1: is we wrote a piece that ten trade candidates on
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Speaker 1: the athletic uh, you know, from Logan from Logan Web
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Speaker 1: to Joe Ryan. These are just names you should, you know,
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Speaker 1: keep it, keep an eye out on. But in that
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Speaker 1: piece you mentioned how the Diamondbacks aren't likely, like aren't
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Speaker 1: a team that sells aggressively or isn't going to go
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Speaker 1: about it where where they're willing to give up. But
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Speaker 1: right now maybe they're headed towards that if if they
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Speaker 1: see an opportunity, they they will make moves. Gallon and
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Speaker 1: Soroka are two names that you know could make some sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't concede easily, and I think give their
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Speaker 2: organization a lot of credit for you. They see the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: you know, the dynasty they built. They see what the
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Speaker 2: Padres have done in Petco Park. Things aren't working out
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Speaker 2: well for the Giants, but they've won a bunch of
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Speaker 2: World Series, you know, this century, and they're like trying,
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Speaker 2: like they're it's not working in San Francisco, but like
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Speaker 2: the Giants are trying to win, and the Diamonbacks haven't
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Speaker 2: like never rolled out like a five year rebuilding plan.
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Speaker 3: They didn't start tanking, you know, to collect draft.
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Speaker 2: Picks like and it wasn't that long ago they sneaked
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Speaker 2: into the playoffs and wound up in the World Series.
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Speaker 3: There is a ton of time left.
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Speaker 2: They're creeping back towards five hundred. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: talent and experience throughout that organization. So yeah, they're not
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Speaker 2: thinking about selling. We just have to look at, you know,
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Speaker 2: sort of names that make sense. And Soroka, you were
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Speaker 2: on top of this line summer. They saw kind of
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Speaker 2: adjustments he was making, so you put him in the
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Speaker 2: right situation if he says healthy. He didn't, and that
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Speaker 2: trade was a disappointment. And then with Gallen, you know,
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Speaker 2: I thought it was important to sort of clarify the
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Speaker 2: level of interest during the off season, and he Cubs
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Speaker 2: never made an offer, but they were obviously talking to
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Speaker 2: Scott Boris throughout the off season because he represents lots
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Speaker 2: of players and one of them, Alex Bregman, obviously woud
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Speaker 2: up signing with the Cubs, and he has a training
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Speaker 2: facility in Arizona that Gallen used regularly, to my understanding,
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Speaker 2: or at least he was a friendly visitor there. So
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Speaker 2: there's been a dialogue. I think there's some background, some
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Speaker 2: history there. I think they just didn't have like twenty
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Speaker 2: one to twenty three million dollars laying around in their
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Speaker 2: budget leftover, and they didn't like the kind of give
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Speaker 2: up the draft pick for a you know, pitcher.
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Speaker 3: Uh you'll be going back into the market, you know,
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Speaker 3: months later.
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Speaker 2: And so at least with Gallen, I think he got
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Speaker 2: off to a really good start and then you had
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Speaker 2: he got knocked around at Wrigley and like so his
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Speaker 2: numbers probably aren't great overall now, but that's just sort
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Speaker 2: of the like small samples we're dealing with here. I
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Speaker 2: think with Gallon and Soroka, you probably not that the
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Speaker 2: Damacs are trading anyone anyways right now, but you'd like
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Speaker 2: to see kind of how they develop over the summer.
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Speaker 2: And I would think, you know, both names there, you know,
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Speaker 2: could make sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gallen, absolutely, you need to see more from Gallon
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Speaker 1: right now because his strikeout rate is rough. The stuff
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Speaker 1: doesn't look as crisp as it has in the past,
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Speaker 1: so you want to see him find his his rhythm
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Speaker 1: before you go after him. Uh. Soroka has like a
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Speaker 1: blow up outing, but outside of that, he's he's been
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Speaker 1: really solid this season, and the peripherals are like last
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Speaker 1: year where they're intriguing. Boston is another team that is
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Speaker 1: struggling right now.
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Speaker 3: We all know this.
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Speaker 1: They fired their you know, legendary manager and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of a mess in Boston right now. The impending veteran
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Speaker 1: free agent is Sonny Gray, who's getting some good results.
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Speaker 1: But I'm looking at these numbers. This strikeout rate is rough.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what exactly is going on with
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Speaker 1: Sonny Gray right now. Still, you need to keep an
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Speaker 1: eye out on him. I would put him in that
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Speaker 1: category of like, where's this going? Where Canny like find
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Speaker 1: his rhythm? How does this stuff look? Why does he
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Speaker 1: have such a low strike out rate? And is that
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Speaker 1: just a blip or is this something like or is
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Speaker 1: this like a huge red flag? You have to be
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Speaker 1: aware of these things. Beyond Sonny Gray. We heard umblings
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Speaker 1: about the Cubs and the Red Sox in the offseason.
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Speaker 1: The Red Sox were one of those teams that needed
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Speaker 1: an infielder, so they were asking about Nico Horner. Nico's
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Speaker 1: not going anywhere right now. We know that he's extended.
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Speaker 1: He's the heart and soul of this team. He's not
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Speaker 1: going anywhere. But can they trade prospects? Is there a
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Speaker 1: challenge trade here? They have two arms, young arms under control.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned before the break how this team could really
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Speaker 1: use some pitching beyond twenty twenty six. Connelly, Early Peyton, Tolly,
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Speaker 1: like these are two names that you know, top one hundred,
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Speaker 1: top fifty type prospects, you'd love to have them. You'd
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Speaker 1: love to add one of those guys. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: We had a question in our mail bag is Matt Shaw?
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Speaker 1: Would you trade Matt Shaw? I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd trade Matt Shaw? Like is
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Speaker 1: Matt Shaw ailable? Is after the type of challenge shade
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Speaker 1: you could make. Does trading Kevin al Contra make sense? Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. But these are the types
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Speaker 1: of things that you have to consider when when you're
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Speaker 1: looking at a team like Boston.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 2: Sonny Gray was sort of our entry into kind of
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Speaker 2: the more interesting stuff of what we had heard, you know,
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Speaker 2: really pretty deep into the winter, pretty close to spring
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Speaker 2: training about Boston's And obviously they made some other moves to.
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Speaker 3: Kind of rearrange their.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're still not like quite out of it yet,
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Speaker 2: but I don't have a whole lot of confidence that
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Speaker 2: they're going to figure it out and turn it around.
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Speaker 2: But they are sort of built to like compete for
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Speaker 2: the last wildcard spot, Like that's kind of how their
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Speaker 2: operation appears to be run these days. And there's obviously
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Speaker 2: a lot of familiarity between Jed Hoyer's front office and
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Speaker 2: chief baseball officer Craig Reslo's got a big, big title there.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think this is one where I'm curious
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Speaker 2: if you if you trade someone like Matt Shaw, I
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Speaker 2: think you're going after logan web not kind of like
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Speaker 2: a starter who's still kind of figuring it out. I'm
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Speaker 2: with you, Like Sonny Gray, I think they would certainly
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Speaker 2: kick that around. He's you know, this isn't I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to think what Sonny Gray's peak was. It was a
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Speaker 2: long time ago. I mean, it was just like basically
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Speaker 2: like I feel like like Jed and THEO were sort
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Speaker 2: of like arriving in Chicago.
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Speaker 3: I'm remembering like sort of like like last rebuild.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's the guy that would be,
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of number one on your list or
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Speaker 2: your guy you plugged to start in a playoff series.
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Speaker 2: And if not that, like, I guess it depends on
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Speaker 2: how dire their pitching situation is this summer, Like do
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Cubs go back to the Miami Marlins. Well,
22:50
Speaker 1: they nearly traded for his Whu's Lozardo to two off
22:55
Speaker 1: seasons ago. This offseason they did trade for Edward Cabrera.
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Speaker 1: We know last summer they engaged with the Marlins talking
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Speaker 1: about a variety of arms. Is Sandy al Contra available
23:08
Speaker 1: again again? The numbers aren't blowing you away. He's not
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Speaker 1: striking guys out again yet, but we know what the
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Speaker 1: upside is and what's the price. I would also just
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Speaker 1: say that the Marlins have so much pitching depth in
23:22
Speaker 1: the minors that maybe we don't know who all is
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Speaker 1: available with them, So just engaging them in general is
23:29
Speaker 1: always worth worth your time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think that that's a great point. That's sort of
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Speaker 2: why Sandy's mentioned there like will they or won't they?
23:44
Speaker 2: They do appear to be turning a corner competitively, Not
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Speaker 2: like they're gonna chase down the Braves or anything, but
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Speaker 2: they're kind of gradually building this up. And like you said,
23:55
Speaker 2: they've they've had so much overlap, so much interaction.
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Speaker 3: I gotta think each side sort.
24:02
Speaker 2: Of knows where the other stands, and it's an easy conversation.
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Speaker 3: To be had.
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Speaker 2: I think the Cubs with you know, you're hoping for
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Speaker 2: a player to get back to that cig award level
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Speaker 2: and maybe a contrac won't ever, but having that, you know, essentially,
24:22
Speaker 2: but if he gets traded by that point, he would
24:24
Speaker 2: have like almost a season and a half under his belt.
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Speaker 2: I think the Cubs would feel really good about the
24:31
Speaker 2: arm talent and being able to work with that, rather
24:35
Speaker 2: than a pitcher who's still sort of feeling his way
24:38
Speaker 2: back out even if he's healthy, he's not wasn't quite
24:41
Speaker 2: in rhythm last year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and another name, And when it comes to health,
24:49
Speaker 1: you know, he just came back from I believe back issues.
24:52
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. The Twins are are struggling as well. Did
24:59
Speaker 1: they they had to sell off last summer? Do they
25:02
Speaker 1: do that again, we know that they There was some
25:05
Speaker 1: talk about Joe Ryan last summer. The cost was sky high,
25:09
Speaker 1: as you should expect. He's he's the type of guy
25:13
Speaker 1: that you know still you know, I think he's thirty now,
25:17
Speaker 1: but still he's young enough and talented enough that he's
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Speaker 1: the type of arm that I would say is like
25:25
Speaker 1: kind of changes the trajectory of your rotation. He's he's
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Speaker 1: an impactful arm and someone that would probably cost a
25:31
Speaker 1: decent amount, but the type of guy that you know
25:35
Speaker 1: that's a big move at the deadline.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he also just got an m Ryan his right elbow.
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Speaker 3: I believe, Oh is that is that what it was?
25:44
Speaker 2: Okay, he didn't didn't It didn't sideline him obviously. Our
25:49
Speaker 2: guy Dan Hayes has much more info read YEP.
25:56
Speaker 3: On the Athletic for.
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Speaker 2: His Twins coverage, which I did had a great like
26:01
Speaker 2: kind of behind the scenes of that teardown last summer.
26:04
Speaker 2: It was kind of staggering, and that Ryan did not
26:08
Speaker 2: get moved would presumably put him back in play this summer.
26:15
Speaker 2: I don't see the Twins mounting any like serious run
26:20
Speaker 2: towards a division title, even though it's not a very
26:22
Speaker 2: good division. I think when I look at that division,
26:27
Speaker 2: I don't see the Tigers selling even with the school news,
26:32
Speaker 2: Like I think they have enough there and they're so
26:35
Speaker 2: committed to this year that they have to see that out.
26:38
Speaker 3: Not really sold on the White Sox, but also.
26:40
Speaker 2: Don't see them making a lot of trades with the Cubs.
26:45
Speaker 2: And yeah, the Royals are sort of like probably gonna
26:49
Speaker 2: be in that same position they were last year when they.
26:53
Speaker 3: Signed Seth Lugo to an extension.
26:56
Speaker 2: And so that's why you know, kind of our process
26:59
Speaker 2: of elimination here that if Joe Ryan is healthy, he
27:05
Speaker 2: would be a really nice addition to this group.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one final name that we mentioned was someone
27:11
Speaker 1: a name that we heard connected to the Cubs briefly
27:14
Speaker 1: in the winter, and we know they've done their homework
27:18
Speaker 1: on him because he was pitching in Japan and they
27:21
Speaker 1: really scout Japan hard. Foster Griffin. He's started off really
27:25
Speaker 1: well with Washington. Washington is going to be looking for
27:28
Speaker 1: prospects that that's just where they are. So it doesn't
27:31
Speaker 1: matter that he's doing well. He's on a he's on
27:33
Speaker 1: a one year deal. I believe he's having a solid
27:38
Speaker 1: season that this isn't a this isn't a here's your
27:42
Speaker 1: number one starter for the playoffs type move, but it.
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Speaker 5: Is a.
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Speaker 1: The Cubs need starting help and this guy would go
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Speaker 1: right into the rotation. That's the type of move that
27:54
Speaker 1: this would be. It's not like he can't help or
27:56
Speaker 1: he would be like where do you put him in
27:57
Speaker 1: the rotation?
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Speaker 3: He would fit.
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Speaker 1: It's just he's not as you know, it's not like
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Speaker 1: a blow you away move. But maybe maybe they need
28:07
Speaker 1: multiple moves and maybe they can't pull off the blow
28:09
Speaker 1: you maybe blow you away move.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if they think this guy's a viable part of
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Speaker 2: a playoff pitching staff, maybe not a rotation, then I
28:22
Speaker 2: guess theoretically you could go buke up.
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Speaker 3: The bullpen, like if you get another.
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Speaker 2: Another closer, a seventh inning guy and Foster Griffin all
28:32
Speaker 2: of a sudden, like your pitching staff could look different.
28:36
Speaker 2: Or maybe you know, you just have have a you're
28:39
Speaker 2: getting back some of those layers that you've lost through
28:41
Speaker 2: all these injuries here, and you know, it will be
28:44
Speaker 2: interesting to see, you know that comes up in just
28:47
Speaker 2: like inundated with injury news, but it'll be interesting to see,
28:55
Speaker 2: like can they get healthy? Do they get healthy? Like
28:58
Speaker 2: what you are what seems like kind of obvious now
29:04
Speaker 2: could shift in a couple of weeks, a couple months.
29:09
Speaker 2: I still think it always goes back to pitching, that
29:11
Speaker 2: they will acquire pitchers plural before the trade deadline. But
29:15
Speaker 2: there are gonna sound like council here ways with your innings, puzzle,
29:20
Speaker 2: your outgetters, YadA, YadA, YadA.
29:22
Speaker 3: There's different ways to go about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Speaking of injury news, I think over the weekend,
29:27
Speaker 1: reporters out in Texas reported that Hunter Harvey had another setback,
29:34
Speaker 1: stress reaction in his triceps, I believe is the diagnosis.
29:38
Speaker 1: So he's that's another he's shut down for a little while.
29:42
Speaker 1: That's you know, that was always a risk. We knew
29:44
Speaker 1: that when they signed him Upside, but huge injury risk.
29:49
Speaker 1: And it seems like they're they're getting waylaid here by
29:52
Speaker 1: the injuries with Hunter Harvey, another reliever, you know, out
29:55
Speaker 1: for a little while. We'll see how healthy that bullpen
29:58
Speaker 1: can get and how healthy this staff gets over the
30:00
Speaker 1: next few weeks here. I think, you know, we got
30:04
Speaker 1: a while before we get updates on Justin Steele and
30:09
Speaker 1: Matthew Boyd, but we're going to be talking about pitching
30:13
Speaker 1: for a long time, Patrick, this is this is pretty
30:17
Speaker 1: much like you had your two ten game winning streaks.
30:21
Speaker 1: You've done a great job of kind of setting yourself
30:24
Speaker 1: up to be a playoff team. You were going to
30:27
Speaker 1: hit a rough patch. That's inevitable. That's how baseball works.
30:31
Speaker 1: Baseball is a long season. You have ups and downs.
30:34
Speaker 1: How do you get through it? How do you like
30:36
Speaker 1: when when issues pop up? How do you address them?
30:39
Speaker 1: And I think we know what the issue is. The
30:41
Speaker 1: primary issue is, you know, pretty obvious at the moment.
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Speaker 1: How do they address it? When do they address it?
30:48
Speaker 1: It's going to take a little while. It doesn't happen
30:49
Speaker 1: all the time, like very rarely can they do something
30:52
Speaker 1: this early. But it has to be talked about because
30:55
Speaker 1: it's so obvious what needs to be done, and we're
30:58
Speaker 1: going to continue talking about it. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: a topic of conversation. This won't be the last episode
31:03
Speaker 1: of Trade Talk. It just won't be. That's just how
31:06
Speaker 1: it is. We will be back with more episodes this week.
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