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The Ron Verb Show - 3pm Hour Monday - 07/20/26 · Ron Verb

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Speaker 1: On News Radio 570, WKBN. All right, it's 3.06 in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. News Radio 570, WKBN and Ron Ferb. Nice
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Speaker 1: day out there. Pleasant, 82 degrees. And this should be
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Speaker 1: an interesting program I want you to pay attention to
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Speaker 1: because I am going to do some follow-up over this
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Speaker 1: yellow journalism that I saw in... the Vindicator, of which
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Speaker 1: I'm a subscriber, incidentally, of the Vindicator on Friday. There
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Speaker 1: was an article that appeared in the Vindicator on Friday
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Speaker 1: called Library Officials Respond to Attacks. This has to do
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Speaker 1: with the program that we did the week, well, during
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Speaker 1: the week, when we had Bob Mastroianni on, and he's
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Speaker 1: the architect. He is the architect of the Paulan Library, okay?
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Speaker 1: And he also did the Walgreens program. Yeah, in Poland.
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Speaker 1: Some beautiful architecture there. I mean, the man just does wonderful,
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Speaker 1: terrific work. There's a couple of things that really upset me,
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Speaker 1: and I want to get to some of those, and
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Speaker 1: I'll let Bob speak here momentarily. There was posted on
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Speaker 1: WFMJ's site, it says, a public library of Youngstown in
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Speaker 1: Mahoning County is responding to the claims made by Save
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Speaker 1: Our Library Group and others. The public library issued a
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Speaker 1: statement that says over the last few months, PLYMC has
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Speaker 1: been attacked with unsubstantiated and false claims of fraud, inaccessibility,
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Speaker 1: and lack of transparency. It goes on to say the
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Speaker 1: leaders of Save Our Library, their anti-tax allies, along with
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Speaker 1: the architect who designed the deeply flawed Poland Library building,
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Speaker 1: continue to ignore the facts. So with that in mind,
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Speaker 1: I bring back on our program the architect who designed
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Speaker 1: the deeply flawed Poland Library. Here is Bob Mastriana.
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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
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Speaker 1: How's that for an introduction?
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Speaker 2: That's a great one.
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Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, what is your initial reaction to that?
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Speaker 1: Because I'm going to just give you my initial reaction
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Speaker 1: to that. When I read that, that somebody says something,
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Speaker 1: the guy that designed a deeply flawed Poland library, my
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Speaker 1: first thing was, correct me if I'm wrong. This is
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Speaker 1: an architectural masterpiece. This appeared on many publications in your industry, correct?
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Speaker 1: I want you to talk a little bit about, as
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Speaker 1: a deeply flawed architect, how this was hailed in your industry,
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Speaker 1: what you designed.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what's interesting because the library, I went to
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Speaker 3: a school, I did a library design course on public library.
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Speaker 2: At Harvard University one summer.
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Speaker 3: Before we even got the job to make sure that
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Speaker 3: what we were designing was at the state-of-the-art for libraries
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Speaker 3: because no library had ever been built in Mahoney County
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Speaker 3: in probably over 50 years. And so I wanted to
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Speaker 3: make sure that we were really aware of all the
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Speaker 3: trends in library design and that. So we went to
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Speaker 3: the school in Harvard, and we ended up– learning quite
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Speaker 3: a bit. So many things that unless you had gone there,
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't really realize to incorporate in the libraries, especially
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Speaker 3: the local architects, because they hadn't had the experience or
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Speaker 3: the exposure that we had received. But from that point on,
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Speaker 3: then the library decided to, well, first of all, they
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Speaker 3: were going to build the library out at the high school.
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Speaker 3: And I wanted to, besides being a building architect, I'm
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Speaker 3: also very interested concerned about traditional town planning and to
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Speaker 3: make a town function. And that's why all the historic
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Speaker 3: towns that people go to vacation to and everything are
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Speaker 3: all tight-knit. Buildings are close to the street, and they
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Speaker 3: have all their town's core within walking distance of everything.
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Speaker 3: And so I knew by building it out at the
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Speaker 3: high school, it would have been a disaster, and it
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Speaker 3: would not have enhanced the community at all. So I
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Speaker 3: fought with the library director at that time and convinced
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Speaker 3: them that we needed to see if it could be
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Speaker 3: expanded at this site because the previous architect that they
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Speaker 3: were working with said it couldn't be. And I knew
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Speaker 3: it could be because we cared and we wanted to.
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Speaker 3: So what we did is the library director was able
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Speaker 3: to get me a set of the plans of the
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Speaker 3: original building that was there that was built in 1960.
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Speaker 3: And so I got their plans and site plan, and
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Speaker 3: I was able to come up with a library design
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Speaker 3: that was approximately 13,000, 14,000 square feet, And so it
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Speaker 3: proved to the library board that it could be expanded
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Speaker 3: at that site. And so since there was much controversy
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Speaker 3: between where it should be built, people didn't have an opinion.
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Speaker 3: They decided to have a major town hall meeting, a
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Speaker 3: big event at.
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Speaker 2: The high school at the auditorium.
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Speaker 3: And they had it at the auditorium because there was
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Speaker 3: no place in Poland to really have a meeting for
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Speaker 3: the town. And so we met there, and there was
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Speaker 3: over 100 people that showed up that evening And everyone
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Speaker 3: got to speak, which is unlike today.
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Speaker 1: Did they have the alarm clock so after three minutes
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Speaker 1: the bell started ringing?
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Speaker 2: No, but the fire alarm did go off because there
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Speaker 2: were so many people there.
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Speaker 1: So basically they let people speak their piece.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was wonderful. It was called communication, two-way dialogue.
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Speaker 1: Freedom of speech. Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: So we had the meeting, and it was overwhelming. They
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Speaker 3: actually even voted that night. And they decided then to
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Speaker 3: listen to the people. Imagine that, listening to the people,
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Speaker 3: the board.
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Speaker 1: Shocking.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And so they decided to listen, and they said
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Speaker 3: they were going to then keep the library where it was.
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Speaker 3: And so at that point in time, then they had
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Speaker 3: that plan set. So then they decided, well, let's send
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Speaker 3: out the library for an RFP, that's a request for
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Speaker 3: a proposal, and hire an architect and see what we
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Speaker 3: could come up with. And so they did send it out, and.
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Speaker 2: We were blessed. We won the job. because of our previous.
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Speaker 3: Time that we donated to keep it there and for
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Speaker 3: the benefit of the town. And so that's how it
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Speaker 3: all started, and that's how it ended up where it was.
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Speaker 1: But you went and got the latest schooling, state-of-the-art schooling
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Speaker 1: from a prestigious institute. You went to a prestigious institute
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Speaker 1: to get the latest schooling in designing this facility for
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Speaker 1: the town.
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Speaker 2: And the professors were two of the top.
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Speaker 3: One, they had written books on library design, and one
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Speaker 3: was from– Boston, another one was from the Midwest.
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Speaker 2: So they had a cross-section.
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Speaker 1: So the guys teaching are architects.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: So these are all architects. You're at Harvard.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So I get to this. Are you listening to this, folks?
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Speaker 1: Because I got a lot of ground to cover here
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Speaker 1: today with Bob. So I'm listening to this, and these
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Speaker 1: people who are just– I am deeply disturbed by people
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Speaker 1: that are basically on a payroll, a public payroll of
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Speaker 1: my tax dollars. A public payroll of my tax dollars.
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Speaker 1: All of these people are paid for by me. You
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Speaker 1: follow me? Through my property taxes and my state tax dollars.
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Speaker 1: These are the people who don't want to listen to
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Speaker 1: public opinion. And these are the people that are basically
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Speaker 1: saying that, gee, let's attack. You just heard how this
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Speaker 1: came about. And let's see, as a deeply flawed, let's see,
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Speaker 1: along with the architect who designed a deeply flawed Poland
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Speaker 1: library building. The people are saying that they're not architects,
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Speaker 1: are they?
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Speaker 2: Not to my knowledge.
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Speaker 1: So the people are saying that you designed a deeply
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Speaker 1: flawed building. They're not architects. They're just attacking you. Correct.
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Speaker 1: And you designed it. The building's been there how long?
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Speaker 3: Well, actually, it started construction in 1999.
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Speaker 2: And then it was finished in 2001, completely finished.
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Speaker 3: And then... So if you start with the foundation, which
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Speaker 3: is what they're complaining about, it's been in since, let's say,
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Speaker 3: 2000 to 26, so 26 years.
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Speaker 1: And when this was done, this building, the Poland Library,
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Speaker 1: has been featured on numerous … Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Two national awards.
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Speaker 3: It was published in multiple magazines, which ….
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, two national awards.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Just go slow with me on this, because I want
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Speaker 1: these people to hear, these people that are basically on
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Speaker 1: a payroll to try to just discredit everybody that disagrees
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Speaker 1: with them. Correct. I mean, this is their PR goal.
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Speaker 1: Let's just try this avenue with them. But this was
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Speaker 1: two national awards that you got on this, as this
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Speaker 1: deeply flawed architect that you are.
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Speaker 2: One for interiors and one for exteriors.
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Speaker 1: Right. Is there anything else? I might not be an architect,
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Speaker 1: but I think that covers it all.
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Speaker 2: I think it does, yes.
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Speaker 1: So when it was done, people thought, this is spectacular.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And your peers thought it was spectacular.
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Speaker 3: And another thing I forgot to mention, the reputation of
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Speaker 3: it transcended all over the state. And Hudson, Ohio, one
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Speaker 3: of the most prestigious historic towns and the most– supportive
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Speaker 3: of historic architecture in the nation, heard about the library,
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Speaker 3: and they rented a bus of over 40-some people from
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Speaker 3: the Historical Society, came down to tour our library. They
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Speaker 3: wanted to meet with us personally because they were not
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Speaker 3: happy with what their architect in Hudson was doing with
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Speaker 3: their library, and they wanted to see what we had
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Speaker 3: done and if we could help them with their library.
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Speaker 1: You said something that I want to just go back
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Speaker 1: to that makes a lot of sense. Towns that have
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Speaker 1: close-knit things, town squares. I grew up in a city
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Speaker 1: of Medina. You ever see the square in Medina? Why
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Speaker 1: did you move? Because I wanted to be closer to you. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so I grew up in a city of Medina, and
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Speaker 1: you have the square. You have the park. You have
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Speaker 1: the gazebo. This is what makes Medina a special place.
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Speaker 1: You go to Canfield. You have the green in Canfield.
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Speaker 1: It's what makes Canfield a special place.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: You go to Poland's and you have what you were
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Speaker 1: talking about, the area that you were talking about that
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Speaker 1: brings that community together in walking distance.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: So your initial argument, it should be located here, was
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Speaker 1: about the community. Right. And, I mean, this placement, don't–
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Speaker 1: I don't– I want you to talk about this more
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Speaker 1: because this is a big– makes a big difference to
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Speaker 1: the community. Right.
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Speaker 2: See, the problem with Poland is– They don't have a
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Speaker 2: town square.
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Speaker 3: They actually have a village green, but it's way over
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Speaker 3: on the other side by the Presbyterian Church. And when
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Speaker 3: they put in 224, they relocated it. Instead of going
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Speaker 3: through or around the village green, they cut the town
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Speaker 3: in half, which destroyed the town. And they ended up
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Speaker 3: not having a town square like Medina and Canfield and things.
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Speaker 3: So we had a real deficit to try and deal
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Speaker 3: with architecturally. And so one way to do that was to..
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Speaker 2: Was to.
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Speaker 3: Recreate a center of a town, and the library did that.
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Speaker 3: And so we wanted to make it the community center.
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Speaker 3: So another thing that is interesting about the site was
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Speaker 3: that site being on Yellow Creek was already the site
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Speaker 3: of the library. And so it had a familiarity with everyone.
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Speaker 3: And then the historic building that was the– That was
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Speaker 3: the dormitory that was built in 1846. It was also
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Speaker 3: a special building that needed to be preserved. Most architects
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Speaker 3: probably would have torn it down and just started fresh
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Speaker 3: and new because that's so much easier. But we wanted
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Speaker 3: to take that building and incorporate that as the cornerstone
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Speaker 3: of the library. And so that's where the design evolved.
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Speaker 3: It dissolved from that historic building, and I tried to
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Speaker 3: keep it the same proportions, height, width, and architectural features
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Speaker 3: so that It looked like a continuation of the historic
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Speaker 3: buildings along the storefront. And then we recessed the courtyards
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Speaker 3: between them so that it looked like they were actually
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Speaker 3: a side yard between the buildings because it was a
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Speaker 3: 35,000-square-foot building, and I knew that would overpower the look.
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Speaker 2: Of the town. And so I needed to reduce the
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Speaker 2: scale of it.
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Speaker 1: The aesthetics.
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Speaker 3: Yes, to blend in with the community. And I think
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Speaker 3: it was very effective. Actually, it was done by another famous,
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Speaker 3: famous architect, Robert A.M. Stern, and he did that for
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Speaker 3: the University of Virginia, where he replicated– the multiple forms
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Speaker 3: of some of the historic buildings in Virginia University.
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Speaker 1: I get your deep thinking. I just want you to know,
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Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you're saying. Because when you look around,
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Speaker 1: and this is not to knock, I live in Austintown,
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Speaker 1: we don't have that. You follow what I'm saying? It's
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Speaker 1: a place to live. Boardman, I don't know that it
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Speaker 1: has that to a large extent. But when you go
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Speaker 1: to places that have what you're describing... It is a
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Speaker 1: game changer for a community. Yes. And you wanted to
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Speaker 1: make sure Poland had that. Yes. And that's why you
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Speaker 1: did what you did. Yes. And that's why it is
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Speaker 1: where it is and should stay where it's at, right? Right.
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Speaker 3: But the site dictated a lot of things that forced
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Speaker 3: the design the way it was, not only with the
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Speaker 3: library deciding and the board deciding what they wanted to
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Speaker 3: incorporate in the library because, as I said earlier, we
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Speaker 3: did not have a meeting place that you could actually
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Speaker 3: bring the town together, and that's really important. And we didn't.
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Speaker 1: Have– I just want to go back to one thing.
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Speaker 1: And the town decided they wanted it where it is now. Right.
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Speaker 1: They brought the town together, and the library was listening
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Speaker 1: to the town. It said, we want it right here.
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Speaker 2: That's correct.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And then in addition to that, they also ended up–
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Speaker 3: we didn't have one restaurant in Poland either. And I
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Speaker 3: had seen at other various restaurants– and other ones, and
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Speaker 3: even with the bookstores, how much the, like Barnes & Noble,
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Speaker 3: how they've been enhanced by having a food service right
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Speaker 3: within the restaurant. And so, again, that was discussed at
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Speaker 3: the Harvard seminar, and that's why I thought, well, then
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Speaker 3: let's see about putting in a cafe-type restaurant in the
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Speaker 3: library to enhance it. And so that's why that's there.
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Speaker 3: And then as the project developed, The other thing was
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Speaker 3: they had all these scattered friends of the library, small
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Speaker 3: little outlets that were nothing more than a book cart
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Speaker 3: in all the different libraries, and they decided, the board,
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Speaker 3: through their vision, decided to put them all together so
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Speaker 3: that they could all share in the revenues of the
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Speaker 3: used bookstore. And so we had the space, and so
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Speaker 3: we were able to then have all the friends of
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Speaker 3: the library meeting rooms, used bookstores were all together now
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Speaker 3: in the library. So So that lower level, that really
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Speaker 3: was bonus space because the lot slope, naturally, it was
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Speaker 3: an easy way. We had to have a foundation to
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Speaker 3: go down that low anyway.
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Speaker 1: This is visionary, what you're saying. I mean, I want
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Speaker 1: everybody to think. I'm going to pause for commercials. This
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Speaker 1: is just visionary. See, this is why this is a
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Speaker 1: great man. This is visionary because it involves a library
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Speaker 1: and a town. We'll be right back. Back to it,
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Speaker 1: NewsRadio 570 WQEN, 324 in the afternoon. We're live here
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Speaker 1: this afternoon on NewsRadio 570 WQEN. And after I read
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Speaker 1: this article in The Vindicator and read that posting on
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Speaker 1: FMJ's site, I knew I needed to have Bob Mastriani
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Speaker 1: on the program again, the original architect of the Poland Library.
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Speaker 1: And there's so much here to talk about. Now, I
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Speaker 1: want to get to this article as I jump around,
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Speaker 1: but I want all of you to understand something. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the thinking here of this is where the people wanted
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Speaker 1: it located, it was not just the library. It was
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Speaker 1: part of making the town spectacular.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: A gathering place for the community. Right. Similar to the
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Speaker 1: Green and Canfield, similar to the Square and Medina. This
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Speaker 1: is the vision you, as this flawed architect, had. It
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Speaker 1: makes a community special.
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Speaker 2: And the board wanted what the town wanted.
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Speaker 1: Right. The good old days, right?
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And what the taxpayer wanted. Okay, so we'll get back
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Speaker 1: to all of this. Now, let's go through this article
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Speaker 1: that was written here. And where do you want to
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Speaker 1: start on this?
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Speaker 2: Let's just start at the first paragraph.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: The criticisms that we did on the last show you had,
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Speaker 3: they're taking a personal note because we use their names
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Speaker 3: and we shouldn't have maybe.
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Speaker 2: But they started.
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Speaker 3: Using our names from the very first time this was
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Speaker 3: ever brought up.
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Speaker 2: To the public.
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Speaker 1: Aren't these people paid for by the public?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So what's wrong with using their names? I see
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 2: Nothing as long as we don't do it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see. Well, I have no problem with it.
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Speaker 3: Okay. So anyway, from day one, when this first appeared
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Speaker 3: in the Vindicator articles, our company, 4M Company, and then
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Speaker 3: later my name, We're always criticized and brought up front
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Speaker 3: and center as responsible for this.
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Speaker 1: Now, this guy, this chief stakeholder, and incidentally, I thought
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Speaker 1: I was a chief stakeholder. Explain this to me. Perhaps
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Speaker 1: this guy needs to explain to me his vicious– attacks
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Speaker 1: that he's doing here this chief stakeholder am i not
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Speaker 1: a chief stakeholder it because he uh... you know what
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Speaker 1: i am i've been the i've been here for forty
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Speaker 1: one years paintings property taxes you know and i've been
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Speaker 1: paying my state taxes for forty one years you know
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Speaker 1: so as as many of you listening have done as
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Speaker 1: many of you people have done in poland apparently uh...
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Speaker 1: we should just be ignored or not listen to so
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Speaker 1: this guy Let me see this. Chief Stakeholder Relations Officer,
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Speaker 1: Zach Kosberg. And he's on the library payroll? Yes.
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Speaker 3: He's one of the new CEOs, administrators that they hired,
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Speaker 3: one of the dozens that they have now.
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Speaker 1: All right. So he's on the payroll. So he's going
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Speaker 1: to just write this vicious stuff.
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Speaker 3: So he's a political– he even calls himself a political–
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Speaker 3: and he is involved in a lot of political campaigns
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Speaker 3: and advocates for them, and that's why he was hired
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Speaker 3: by the library to try and influence the public in
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Speaker 3: all these campaigns. So he worked on a number of
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Speaker 3: Democratic candidates, even for the Ohio Democratic Party itself in 2011.
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Speaker 3: He worked for Sherrod Brown's campaign. He worked for Strickland's campaign.
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Speaker 1: He worked for– That was Sherry Brown that supported everything
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden believed in with the open border and all this.
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Speaker 1: Let's not call a man– ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 3: So he worked on a lot of things for the
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Speaker 3: benefit of the public.
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Speaker 1: Of the Democrats.
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Speaker 2: Yes, of the Democrats.
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Speaker 1: All right, so we kind of know his political tilt. Right.
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Speaker 1: All right, so this is what he did. So let's
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Speaker 1: go through what this article has to say. So basically,
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Speaker 1: he's a paid mouthpiece is what this guy is. A
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Speaker 1: lot of times these people have no soul, in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: But on Thursday, library staff responded to the claims made
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Speaker 1: by members of the Savory Library Committee on this program. Cosby.
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Speaker 1: Chief Operations Officer. Jordan Shaver, Strategic Communications Officer. All these
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Speaker 1: guys got these long titles, don't they?
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Speaker 2: They have to justify that $ 150, 000 salary.
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20:06
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20:32
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Speaker 1: Well, hidey-ho, 335 in the afternoon. It's Monday, July 20th.
22:45
Speaker 1: It's 83 degrees here on a pleasant day. And sitting
22:48
Speaker 1: in my studio is Bob Mastriana, and he is the
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Speaker 1: architect of the Poland Library with a follow-up to what...
22:57
Speaker 1: this article in The Vindicator, which was talking about your
23:01
Speaker 1: last appearance on the program. And they start by talking
23:04
Speaker 1: about one of the people who called into the program,
23:07
Speaker 1: which incidentally, any of these people that I just mentioned,
23:10
Speaker 1: feel free to call in and get on hold. We
23:13
Speaker 1: actually are a live broadcast that takes calls as we
23:16
Speaker 1: go along, and we will from a friend or foe.
23:20
Speaker 1: So all of these people that have these things to
23:23
Speaker 1: say take the opportunity to say them here on the radio.
23:28
Speaker 1: I believe in dialogue here. So this chief operations officer,
23:33
Speaker 1: let's see, what's his name? Kosberg. uh jonathan shaver the
23:38
Speaker 1: strategic communications officer michael step and members of the library
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Speaker 1: board all of them are certainly available to call the
23:47
Speaker 1: program and speak with you and speak with the public
23:49
Speaker 1: uh as we go along here let's try to have
23:52
Speaker 1: a dialogue instead of some one-sided thing that they have
23:55
Speaker 1: here in in response and incidentally they were able to
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Speaker 1: call the program when you were on the first time
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Speaker 1: just so people understand that's that's uh Those phone lines
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Speaker 1: are always there and they're always available. One of the
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Speaker 1: people who did call that they pointed out to the
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Speaker 1: program was Poland Township Trustee Frank Domain, right? He called
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Speaker 1: the program that day, correct? Correct, yes. And let's see,
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Speaker 1: they seem to say, who told me that the library
24:21
Speaker 1: has not responded to any of his efforts to discuss
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Speaker 1: the matter with them. And they said what he admitted
24:28
Speaker 1: was that he had lunch with our board vice president
24:30
Speaker 1: last week where they discussed the Poland branch and plans
24:34
Speaker 1: are made to arrange a more formal discussion. All right.
24:37
Speaker 1: So what do you make of that?
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Speaker 2: And that's the absolute truth. They did talk about it.
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Speaker 3: They were friends for over 20-some years, and they met
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Speaker 3: for lunch, and they talked about everything but the library.
24:51
Speaker 3: But they wanted to get together– to see if they
24:54
Speaker 3: could open up a shared perspective of their view as
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Speaker 3: the board and also as the trustee for the community.
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Speaker 3: And so the interesting thing is after they met or
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Speaker 3: after they had lunch together and did meet, he was
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Speaker 3: supposed to call him back and arrange a meeting with
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Speaker 3: the director and some of the other officials of the library,
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Speaker 3: and they never did call him back until he was
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Speaker 3: on the show here. And then after he was on
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Speaker 3: the show, then it was pertinent for them to counter
25:28
Speaker 3: and to call back and ask for a meeting. But
25:30
Speaker 3: before that, they weren't going to pursue anything that they
25:34
Speaker 3: had talked about before as far as dialogue and do
25:38
Speaker 3: a prospect of.
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Speaker 1: But they're interested in it now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
25:42
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? All right.
25:43
Speaker 2: Very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Now let's see. I'm going to go along. Frank Domain. Okay,
25:48
Speaker 1: they go into that kind of stuff. Let's see. This
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Speaker 1: Coasberg also said library officials– incidentally, you know what I
25:59
Speaker 1: find interesting? The head of the library isn't speaking here
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Speaker 1: at all. No. I mean the actual woman that is
26:05
Speaker 1: in charge.
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Speaker 4: Right.
26:06
Speaker 1: I mean it's all of these other people surrounding her. Right.
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Speaker 1: Where is she to speak? I thought she was in charge.
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Speaker 3: But Coasberg, when he told the Vindicator, members of the
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Speaker 3: State of Our Library Committee are willing to lie about that–
26:24
Speaker 3: that Frank Domain actually did talk to their board people
26:30
Speaker 3: and he said he didn't, then Carlsberg is saying then
26:35
Speaker 3: if they're willing to lie about this matter, then their
26:37
Speaker 3: assertions that the rest of their dispute must also be
26:40
Speaker 3: called into question. And it's a brilliant political tactical move
26:45
Speaker 3: and it's called a paradoxical defense. And he's very good
26:49
Speaker 3: at this because that's his life politics. And what that is,
26:53
Speaker 3: is just to, you throw the, you deflect the issue
26:59
Speaker 3: to mask their own lies. And they are masterful at
27:02
Speaker 3: laying and deflecting.
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Speaker 1: It's just vicious nonsense is what it is. I mean,
27:06
Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. You know, it's vicious nonsense,
27:09
Speaker 1: and it's not something I admire. So this Kosberg also
27:13
Speaker 1: said library officials have met with the committee many times.
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Speaker 1: Not only did we meet with Save Our Library representatives
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Speaker 1: on April 9th, but members were also invited on a
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Speaker 1: guided tour of the Poland facility in November 2025, along
27:27
Speaker 1: with elected leaders. This is in addition to the community
27:30
Speaker 1: feedback meeting at Poland attended by a standing room only
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Speaker 1: crowd on June 24th, 2025. Yes. Comments? Yes.
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Speaker 3: The tour was very well controlled. They only took them
27:47
Speaker 3: to areas they wanted to see. They didn't show them
27:50
Speaker 3: around the exterior of the building and all the deterioration.
27:55
Speaker 3: There were so many people there, they couldn't. They couldn't
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Speaker 3: control it, and they were all there to basically listen.
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Speaker 3: Only a couple actually got to speak from the public,
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Speaker 3: and it was, again, just a show of concern, but
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Speaker 3: empty promises and things like that. They wouldn't let me
28:18
Speaker 3: even go in the back room where I've been begging
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Speaker 3: to go see. I wanted to see myself firsthand other
28:24
Speaker 3: than the little door a threshold issue that I could
28:29
Speaker 3: see from the outside, but they would not let me
28:31
Speaker 3: go back into the area where they had done these
28:35
Speaker 3: core samples for the..
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 2: That's a good question.
28:40
Speaker 1: I mean, you're an architect. I know. I mean, you
28:43
Speaker 1: designed the building. I know.
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't let me go in, though, because I wasn't invited.
28:48
Speaker 1: That's just bizarre.
28:48
Speaker 2: I wasn't invited to go to that meeting.
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Speaker 1: So let's not have a guy go back and look
28:53
Speaker 1: who knows what he's looking at. Yeah, yeah.
28:56
Speaker 2: That's how ridiculous it is.
28:57
Speaker 1: Just I want to emphasize, none of these people are
28:58
Speaker 1: architects that we're talking about here.
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and they wouldn't let you go back and take
29:02
Speaker 1: a look, and you're the architect that designed the building.
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Speaker 3: Right. Okay, so then he spends a lot of time, again,
29:10
Speaker 3: talking about the slag. Okay, and we covered that before,
29:15
Speaker 3: but we can talk about it again and put it
29:18
Speaker 3: to bed. Again, I told you on this program last
29:23
Speaker 3: time that the– The Begley family, they were the people
29:29
Speaker 3: that owned Standard Slag, and they had a pristine reputation,
29:36
Speaker 3: and they would never supply anything that wasn't of the
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Speaker 3: quality that it needed to be. And so the brother
29:46
Speaker 3: of the Beagleys that I talked with, he actually called
29:48
Speaker 3: me because he was very upset because their name was
29:51
Speaker 3: being used also.
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Speaker 2: Horribly, and he told me, Bob, I.
29:55
Speaker 3: Was personally, one responsible for quality control, and I can
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Speaker 3: tell you we never, ever sent out any load that
30:05
Speaker 3: wasn't perfect. And the other thing is we never even
30:11
Speaker 3: had slag delivered because it was in our specs because
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Speaker 3: of our outstanding geotechnical engineer, John Cernica, who was world famous.
30:20
Speaker 3: He had written seven books on geotechnical engineering, design, and foundations,
30:25
Speaker 3: and he did all of our foundations for our entire career.
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Speaker 2: And we had him involved in this.
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Speaker 3: From day one because we knew it was a sloping site,
30:34
Speaker 3: it had bedrock, there was a lot of things that
30:38
Speaker 3: had to be looked at.
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Speaker 1: So once again, this guy's credentials, I just want to
30:41
Speaker 1: get it straight, say his credentials again to this..
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Speaker 3: Well, he was a dean of the School of Engineering
30:48
Speaker 3: at Youngstown State for his entire career.
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Speaker 2: He was also... world-renowned.
30:53
Speaker 3: He wrote seven books on soils and geotechnical. There was
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Speaker 3: no one in this section of the country that had
30:59
Speaker 3: the expertise and reputation that he had. He had his
31:02
Speaker 3: own firm, and we hired him always when we were
31:05
Speaker 3: doing buildings of this stature to inspect every load of
31:11
Speaker 3: fuel that was brought out to make sure that it
31:13
Speaker 3: was pure and clean and exactly as per the specs.
31:16
Speaker 3: And he told us years ago, Bob, never, ever specify
31:20
Speaker 3: slag because you can't control whether it's active or not.
31:24
Speaker 3: Always specify wash, gravel, and then you'll be protected. And
31:27
Speaker 3: that's exactly what we did. And so how this bit of,
31:32
Speaker 3: and again, we didn't see this, but this was the
31:34
Speaker 3: report that the library had from that other testing company,
31:38
Speaker 3: that there was an active, some active slag there. But again,
31:43
Speaker 3: they don't tell you how much, and all they tell
31:46
Speaker 3: you that it was flammable. 4.5% to 4.7%, but I
31:53
Speaker 3: don't know how they figured that because the slab is
31:55
Speaker 3: only 4 inches, and if you take 4.5% of 4 inches,
32:00
Speaker 3: then it means that it's a quarter of an inch.
32:03
Speaker 3: I don't know how they figured it, but it sounds
32:07
Speaker 3: more dangerous at that amount.
32:09
Speaker 2: But anyway, so they ended.
32:12
Speaker 3: Up doing the testing, and evidently and I showed you, Dan,
32:18
Speaker 3: the last time where the building originally sat, and it
32:22
Speaker 3: sat way back and very low, the original library.
32:24
Speaker 1: The original one, okay.
32:26
Speaker 3: Yes, and it was close to the creek also, and
32:29
Speaker 3: so what happened possibly was that when they were doing
32:35
Speaker 3: the excavation for this, we built the whole building on bedrock,
32:40
Speaker 3: which is what John Cernico recommended, and so all the columns,
32:43
Speaker 3: all the walls were, All the foundations are all on
32:46
Speaker 3: solid bedrock.
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Speaker 1: So it's not sinking. Let's just emphasize that.
32:49
Speaker 2: Only if the world sinks.
32:51
Speaker 1: All right. So it's built on bedrock.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yes.
32:54
Speaker 3: And so the fill material that was there evidently was
33:01
Speaker 3: left over from, unfortunately, some of the possibly the parking lot.
33:06
Speaker 1: Okay.
33:06
Speaker 2: And what happened was we had.
33:08
Speaker 1: By the original structure.
33:09
Speaker 2: By the original structure put in in 1960.
33:11
Speaker 1: Okay.
33:13
Speaker 2: So we're talking a small area. Yes, a small area.
33:17
Speaker 3: And what it was was when the old building was built,
33:23
Speaker 3: the new finished floor for the first floor, which is
33:25
Speaker 3: the lower level, we had to match the existing historic
33:30
Speaker 3: dormitory floor on the lower level because we wanted to,
33:34
Speaker 3: for ADA and that, we wanted direct access to the
33:37
Speaker 3: kitchen and the lower level. And so that was our benchmark,
33:41
Speaker 3: they call it. We had to match that floor. And
33:43
Speaker 3: so evidently, there might have been, it wasn't deep enough
33:46
Speaker 3: maybe to get out all the possible active slag.
33:50
Speaker 2: Or anything else.
33:54
Speaker 3: So we matched that floor and maybe some of this
33:56
Speaker 3: was left over innocently. But I don't know that for
34:00
Speaker 3: sure because the other overriding factor that we know as
34:05
Speaker 3: a fact is that for at least 20 years, the
34:11
Speaker 3: library had no No issues at all. And that same base,
34:15
Speaker 3: that same foundation, the same slag that was underneath those
34:19
Speaker 3: floors was there all this time. And there was never
34:22
Speaker 3: an issue until it became exposed when they built that wall.
34:28
Speaker 2: And that wall that the library built, we.
34:30
Speaker 1: Were long gone. Now, this is an important point, folks.
34:32
Speaker 1: I want you to listen to this. I want to
34:34
Speaker 1: make sure that... What's this guy? This Coesberg takes very
34:38
Speaker 1: prudent notes here so that he can get this straight.
34:40
Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. I'm sure he will.
34:42
Speaker 1: Because it's very important. So for 20 years, the building
34:45
Speaker 1: wasn't sinking.
34:46
Speaker 5: Right.
34:47
Speaker 2: Well, it never sank.
34:47
Speaker 1: It never sank. But we didn't have any problems for
34:49
Speaker 1: 20 years, right? That's right. Then we build this wall. Right.
34:55
Speaker 1: All right. To divert Yellow Creek. Right.
34:57
Speaker 3: Because of the flooding that was on Boardman that flowed
35:00
Speaker 3: down from all the construction and development that was on
35:03
Speaker 3: South Avenue all the way down through the natural.
35:05
Speaker 1: A wall you had nothing to do with?
35:07
Speaker 2: No, no, nothing.
35:08
Speaker 3: In fact, I actually tried to stop it because I
35:11
Speaker 3: thought they were wasting a fortune. I don't know if
35:13
Speaker 3: it was $ 100, 000 or $ 200, 000, but it was a lot
35:15
Speaker 3: of money, and I knew it wasn't necessary because I
35:18
Speaker 3: had already talked to the Army Corps of Engineers about
35:21
Speaker 3: widening that creek because at the corner of the library
35:24
Speaker 3: where it turns 90 degrees, the creek chokes, and it's
35:27
Speaker 3: very small, and that's where the library, the water builds up.
35:32
Speaker 3: And if they had widened it out like I suggested,
35:35
Speaker 3: and the Army Corps said if we worked on the
35:37
Speaker 3: banks of the creek, we wouldn't have had any problems
35:40
Speaker 3: going ahead and widening it. And I asked the library
35:44
Speaker 3: and the village to get in touch with the adjacent
35:46
Speaker 3: homeowner and see if we could purchase or he would
35:49
Speaker 3: donate his adjacent side yard because it was at the
35:52
Speaker 3: level of the creek. And he never can maintain it
35:56
Speaker 3: or anything because it's always flooded and wet. And so
35:59
Speaker 3: we could have expanded that. that got rid of the
36:02
Speaker 3: choking of that creek, we could have had a beautiful
36:06
Speaker 3: scenic pond there that we could have used for ice
36:08
Speaker 3: skating in the winter if things ever froze or just
36:11
Speaker 3: for the view from the adult reading balconies in the library.
36:16
Speaker 3: And it could have been an asset instead of a detriment.
36:18
Speaker 3: So all this that was created was done by the library.
36:25
Speaker 1: When they put this wall up, which you were against
36:27
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. So for 20 years, you didn't
36:31
Speaker 1: have these problems at all. They put up this wall.
36:35
Speaker 1: You weren't a part of this wall. And all of
36:37
Speaker 1: a sudden, these problems are created when you said the
36:40
Speaker 1: better idea is don't put the wall up. Or if
36:43
Speaker 1: we're going to keep the wall, let's modify it so
36:45
Speaker 1: we get away from these issues.
36:48
Speaker 3: Yes, because the wall obviously– what happened with the wall
36:52
Speaker 3: is it acted as a dam. It was built also
36:54
Speaker 3: on the bedrock for stability. And then what happened is
36:56
Speaker 3: the water would naturally migrate through the natural underground water
37:02
Speaker 3: courses that are there everywhere, especially near a stream.
37:05
Speaker 2: And when it hit the wall, it had nowhere to go.
37:08
Speaker 3: So it was just building up pressure and more pressure
37:11
Speaker 3: and pressure. And so it would be forced to rise.
37:15
Speaker 3: back into the building on the migration route that it
37:18
Speaker 3: took and then it caused hydrostatic pressure to release the
37:23
Speaker 3: pressure and it raised the slab an inch or two.
37:26
Speaker 1: On that one little back section.
37:28
Speaker 3: Yes, which isn't even open to the public or anything.
37:31
Speaker 3: It's in the storage area and mechanical area behind the
37:34
Speaker 3: friends meeting room.
37:37
Speaker 2: And so it's a.
37:39
Speaker 3: Big to-do about nothing and really... You don't even need
37:44
Speaker 3: to address it, really.
37:45
Speaker 1: It's not that the rest of the library is built
37:47
Speaker 1: on slag from the steel mills. So let's not give
37:50
Speaker 1: a false impression. It's on bedrock. We don't have slag
37:54
Speaker 1: from steel mills. It's all washed gravel. Right. It's the
37:58
Speaker 1: person who supplied it can testify to. So we have that.
38:02
Speaker 1: So in turn, when we're talking about... it's a misconception
38:09
Speaker 1: to give the impression that this is a huge problem
38:12
Speaker 1: created by this it was created by the wall that
38:15
Speaker 1: you had nothing to do with that you said we
38:17
Speaker 1: can remedy this problem right we can.
38:19
Speaker 3: Fix it right because they didn't have an obviously um
38:23
Speaker 3: i i checked with other uh engineers and the fact
38:26
Speaker 3: that the uh the wall is only 10 feet off
38:28
Speaker 3: the corner of the building and the fact that it
38:30
Speaker 3: uh it obviously doesn't have enough drainage and weep holes behind.
38:35
Speaker 2: It and through it to allow the water to escape.
38:38
Speaker 3: And if it did, and it could probably be done now,
38:41
Speaker 3: then you would eliminate the backup and the hydrostatic pressure
38:45
Speaker 3: that is causing this.
38:46
Speaker 1: Right. Okay. So that's gone. All right. So that's where
38:52
Speaker 1: it stands from you as an architect.
38:54
Speaker 3: All right.
38:54
Speaker 1: What's the next point that they cover here?
38:59
Speaker 3: Well, he says, which is ridiculous, he says, well, I
39:05
Speaker 3: shouldn't use this word, but he said it is an
39:07
Speaker 3: incorrect statement to claim that poor maintenance is the cause
39:11
Speaker 3: for the issues at Poland East and Austintown. All the
39:14
Speaker 3: facilities in our library system are maintained to a high standard,
39:17
Speaker 3: he said. The primary objective for all maintenance is to
39:20
Speaker 3: ensure all buildings are safe for patrons and staff.
39:24
Speaker 1: Now, I have pictures here. yes i just want to
39:27
Speaker 1: i want you to know that a a woman has
39:29
Speaker 1: taken some pictures and i have these pictures and they're
39:33
Speaker 1: claiming that they did maintenance on this building all right
39:36
Speaker 1: now i'm looking at these pictures and and i want
39:39
Speaker 1: to present these to you after the break this is
39:42
Speaker 1: not a sign of maintenance this is a sign of
39:44
Speaker 1: decay from lack of maintenance stand by stand by back
39:47
Speaker 1: in a.
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Speaker 1: 570 WKBN. Back to it. News Radio 570 WKBN. And
40:01
Speaker 1: Ron Verb, the architect who designed the Poland Library, Bob Mastriana.
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Speaker 1: is with me. These are pictures that a woman took.
40:11
Speaker 1: They're claiming they did maintenance. What I'm showing you pictures of,
40:15
Speaker 1: and I'm going to pass these over to you, this
40:17
Speaker 1: does not show maintenance. This shows decay from lack of maintenance.
40:21
Speaker 1: Your comments, please.
40:22
Speaker 3: These are the beautiful outdoor balconies off the adult reading
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Speaker 3: area that overlook Yellow Creek.
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Speaker 1: And what do you see?
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Speaker 3: Total deterioration from the columns on down. The railings are
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Speaker 3: just so deteriorated.
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Speaker 1: From lack of maintenance.
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Speaker 2: From lack of maintenance.
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Speaker 3: The stucco that was on the building has not been maintained,
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Speaker 3: and it has gaps and all rotting.
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Speaker 1: Once again, you're an architect. The people that are claiming
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Speaker 1: that they did maintenance, they are not builders. They are
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Speaker 1: not architects. They have no background in any of this.
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Speaker 3: If you show these in court, they would lose their
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Speaker 3: case immediately. One of the worst is the back of
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Speaker 3: the trellis, the deterioration of the..
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Speaker 2: Of those gorgeous Chatsworth columns.
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Speaker 3: And how they have just been left to deteriorate and rot.
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Speaker 3: And also then the magnificent pergola beams, the 4x12 rough
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Speaker 3: sawn cedar beams have have just gone beyond repair in
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Speaker 3: a lot of cases.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: That should have been dealt with long before it got
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Speaker 1: to that. It's hard for you to tell me you're
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Speaker 1: doing maintenance when I'm looking at these pictures here. It's obvious.
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Speaker 1: It's a lack of maintenance from that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and there's no way they can defend this because
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Speaker 3: a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Speaker 1: Right. All right. Let's go to the– well, let me go.
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Speaker 1: That covers the maintenance issue, I suppose so. Are you
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Speaker 1: okay with that? Yes. Bob, okay. Now this shaver said
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Speaker 1: it is an incorrect statement to claim that poor maintenance
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Speaker 1: is a cause for the issue at Poland's East and Austintown.
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Speaker 1: Yet the pictures would contradict everything this guy says. Is
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Speaker 1: he a carpenter? Is he an architect?
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Speaker 3: No, but the same issues you're viewing here in these
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Speaker 3: photographs are also duplicated at the other buildings but not
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Speaker 3: as bad because this was older.
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Speaker 2: But the East Library.
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Speaker 1: Well, this guy says all facilities in our library system
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Speaker 1: are maintained to a high standard. The primary objection for
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Speaker 1: all maintenance is to ensure all buildings are safe for
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Speaker 1: patrons and staff. Well, is this a high maintenance, the
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Speaker 1: picture I'm looking at there?
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Speaker 2: And it's not safe.
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Speaker 3: They don't even have the balconies open anymore because of
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Speaker 3: the deterioration.
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Speaker 1: But that's not high maintenance to let it get like that.
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Speaker 3: No, they've created high maintenance on everything.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 3: And the other problem is they're talking about the palladium
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Speaker 3: finish on the yeast library.
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Speaker 1: Stand by with that thought. We're going to address this.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to calls and more ahead.