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Dr. June Chin on Cannabis Education, Youth Prevention & Public Health · CashcolorcannabisPodcast

• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on, everybody?
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to Cash Color Cannabis, a higher level of conversation.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Growing up, most of us remember the dare and just say no campaigns.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were told drugs were bad, stay away from them, and that was pretty much the end of the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fast forward to today, cannabis is legal for adults in several states.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Dispensaries are open across the country, and young people are seeing cannabis everywhere, especially on social media.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do we educate the next generation about cannabis without repeating the same mistakes of the past?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my guest today is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: June Chen, Chief Medical Officer for the New York State Office of Cannabis Management.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chen joins us to discuss Cannabis Honesty, a public health education campaign designed to help young people, parents, and educators have a more informed conversation about the plan.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also discussed her early work with HIVAIDS patients, the connection between cannabis education and mental health, and what responsibility the cannabis industry has when it comes to educating the public.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chen on Cash Color Cannabis, a high level of conversation.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody, it's Cash Color Campus, a high level of conversation.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: As you know, today I am not in Live Hip Hop Daily Studios.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I am in my house, aka Urban Grow Media Studios.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And this is a humble brag.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: I did just get done voting.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: So hopefully, if you're listening to this episode over the next couple of weeks, make sure you get out to early vote.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Get out there, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do not let people ruin your good next four next four years, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, I have a great guest today, and like I was just mentioning to her, this is a topic that I have not had a chance to really get into at all when it comes to cash color campus.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very blessed to be able to have her, and that is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: June Chen, who is the um chief medical officer.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Am I saying your title correctly?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, with the New York State OCM.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and you know, I'm thankful to have you on today.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for joining us, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chen.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to speaking with you today.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so let's get into the beginnings, man.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like speak to us about how you found yourself involved in cannabis in the first place.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm pretty sure you didn't go to college and say, I'm gonna jump, I'm gonna jump into the cannabis industry later.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, you know, I'm a physician and I've spent much of my career in the intersection of clinical medicine, cannabis, and public health.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I was trained in San Francisco shortly after they legalized medical cannabis, and I was working with HIV and AIDS patients.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: So uh a few decades ago.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but today I'm so blessed to be chief medical officer here at the New York State Office of Cannabis Management.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: And my job is to help bring medical and public health perspective to cannabis regulation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it that's very important that your initial jump into cannabis was you helping HIV and AIDS patients, which again, we don't really speak about enough when it comes to why we are here at all when it comes to medical and recreational cannabis, that it primarily started because of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, what was it like working with those patients early on?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um when and what was it like working with those patients early on?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what do you feel like you could take from those situations that you can kind of use now currently with your job?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: For me, it was the most important thing was integrating cannabis medicine into the standard of care.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it was always about protecting consumers and patients, supporting them, making sure that we're educating communities and their caregivers and making sure that science informs policy and as well as you know, clinicians and how we practice.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's more of a health equity perspective, I think, when it comes to cannabis medicine more than anything else.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's get into the meat and bones of things, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's cannabis honestly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I I when I saw that and I started going through everything, I was like, this is so awesome.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like I really feel like this is a conversation that is not being had a whole lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so what talk about what inspired the initiative and what did you feel it was missing from the current education about to the young people when it comes to cannabis?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, cannabis honestly is our agency's public health education campaign.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was designed for people ages 11 to 17 and the trusted adults in their lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we know that cannabis has changed dramatically, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's legal for adults in New York.
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  SPEAKER_00: Products have more variation, um, they're more potency, and young people are encountering this information about cannabis through social media, their friends, and then popular culture.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a mom of two teenagers, and we have this conversation at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the conversations at home and our communities haven't necessarily kept up.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when we began this campaign, we really gave it some thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, rather than simply telling young people what to think.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: We wanted to provide credible information and bring in parents, trusted caregivers, teachers, coaches, mentors, all to start these meaningful conversations.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So we're we're really looking at this campaign as normalizing the cannabis conversation, not normalizing cannabis use for youth.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's important, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like as somebody who is a consumer myself, I am very worried about what I see on social media when it comes to some of the imagery that is targeted towards children.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that these educational series are 100% needed for that reason.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody needs to come back and let them know that everything isn't just, you know, it's just, I feel like so much, so much stuff is almost um it's sensationalized over the top.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: And again, this is me in the industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like we owe we sensationalize cannabis use, but we don't understand that there are so many other people watching us right now.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we all, you know, many of us grew up with just say no.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that was like a simple message.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it didn't leave any room for questions or for nuance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now young people are growing up in a different environment.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're a lot smarter than we were.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they have legal dispensaries.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and as you mentioned, they have family members, um, you know, trusted adults who are using cannabis.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: So they're encountering cannabis content online.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and because they are smarter, we need to inform uh them with decisions and evidence-based education and honest communication.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to scare young people to keep them safe, but we have to earn their trust.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I I agree.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what questions have you heard from young adults when it comes to cannabis use that uh maybe has shocked you to say, oh, I didn't know that you thought that, or you I didn't know that this was something you did not know?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we held 23 listening state uh sessions across 11 counties.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we went statewide.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: We work with over 19 community organizations, um, and we heard from more than 450 participants.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we really listened before we created this campaign.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: We wanted to understand what young people were hearing about cannabis, what questions they had.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't want to assume that we knew everything.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for even for me as a physician, we wanted to make sure we heard from community leaders as well.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't want to create another campaign that just talks to people.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: We really wanted to build something together and is informed by the people that's intended to serve.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: And what was interesting that stood out for all of us in the agency was how often mental health came up.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Mental health was raised in 85% of our youth listening sessions, even though it wasn't specifically prompted.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: So young people wanted us, wanted us to understand how cannabis relates to anxiety, stress, uh, mood, emotional well-being.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: So as a clinician, I find that incredibly report important because sometimes when you're talking to a young person and you ask them about cannabis, the the bigger question, the bigger question is really how are they feeling or what they're going through?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's deeper questions that we have to dig into.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, the fact you mentioned mental health is is something that I think probably is a big issue, you know, especially when you take into consideration social media.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much of a of a uh fear of missing out.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much of a um um there's so much of a feeling that you're not doing enough.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that could weigh in so much on kids.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I 100% feel bad.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like I grew up in an era where I didn't have that, but I watched my nephew and them grow with seeing LeBron James um bow wow, people become millionaires at 19, like something just almost unattainable to a regular child.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I can see how that can mess with somebody's mind when it comes to social media.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: So also the program is it's again goes from 11 to 17, but I know there's definitely a difference between how to reach how to interact with somebody those ages, from somebody 11 all the way up to 17.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: How do you interact with groups of with groups of children from those various age groups?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because one is younger and still trying to get, well, they're both young and still trying to figure out who they are, but two different age groups.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like how would you how do you approach both of those age groups?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we actually work very closely with schools.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: We work with local governments, we work with schools, um, and we work with community-based organizations.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things that we had talked about before the session started was we went to the Mount Vernon School District in Westchester.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we have we have to recognize that public health cannot operate in silos, right?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: We really have to connect the dots and work together.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, schools, for example, cannot be expected to address youth sustenance use, mental health, and safety challenges all alone.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Then when we look at state government such as ourselves, we can provide science, we provide resources and evidence-informed guidance, but then local government, um, so we spoke with the mayor of Mount Vernon, for example, local government brings community leadership and then understands those unique needs of the residents.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we look at the schools, they have trusted relationships with students and families, community-based organizations.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: We talk to healthcare professionals, right?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: They might bring in clinical expertise, a pediatrician, for example, a social worker, a therapist.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: They might help with screening or school nurses with intervention if needed.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So our role at OCM is really to connect those efforts rather than allow everyone to work independently.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: So the state, we can provide the tools, but in essence, communities really bring them to life.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, I agree.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to the OCM, how do you plan on measuring if it's actually working or not?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like what would be some of the goals or what would you see as a benchmark to say that, okay, this program is working?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we have a lot of metrics, which include um, you know, through website impressions.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: We've had over 50 million impressions since the campaign has gone live.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: We have downloadable resources on our website.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can order them for free for both print and many languages, and we can send directly to your doorstep.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have educational materials, safe storage guidance.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have community engagement tools actually.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: So parents and trusted adults can go onto the website and just type in, you know, I don't know how to start this conversation.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Where should I even begin?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm cannabis naive or I'm cannabis experienced, but my young person is cannabis naive.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: So you can actually put in a customizable toolkit to open the conversation.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Where do I begin?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So these are called conversation starters.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: And these are engagement tools that schools and families use, and then we ask for feedback because we're always iterating.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there might be things that we didn't think about when we created the campaign.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's always a dynamic process and we get better and better.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, when you mentioned speaking with adults who may be kind of um a pro when it comes to Canvas versus dealing with children who don't.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: How many adults have come to you who needed the same information?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, has that been a thing as well?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like parents and maybe um guardians, people who are taking care of children coming to you and saying, I don't know any of this, but I do need to start having these conversations.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly right.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Some 60% of adults say, I don't know even know how to start the conversation.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want my teenager to feel like I'm on them and there's mistrust, or I don't want to say the wrong thing.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand the science, what's legal and what's not legal.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm using cannabis medicine or grandpa's using cannabis medicine for for their cancer care or their arthritis, but what does that mean for a young child?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So there were so many different questions.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: And when we go into these community-based organizations or these schools, we always meet the community where they're at.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we start with the 101, and sometimes we get into very specific questions and then connecting again, connecting with resources that we have throughout the state: Office of Mental Health, Office of Addiction Services and Support, you know, OCFS, Office of Children and Family Services, Department of Health.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many resources that we can connect our young adults, uh as well as our our youth as well as our trusted adults.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, has there been any pushback against the program?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure there's there's there's a as many people who are pro-cannabis as also as many people who are against this, especially when we have this conversation around children.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Has there been any pushback against the program?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um the pushback that we've received is really making sure that um the education is evidence-based.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they want, I think, people that are probably a little more hesitant about cannabis education per se, um misguid misunderstand the campaign as normalizing cannabis use, but we're really normalizing the conversation around cannabis.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a distinction.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And once we we make that clear to the folks that we are speaking with, um I think they usually come around.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you're doing a lot of you're doing a lot of amazing work.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like the work that you're doing, because you would see this become almost become like a blueprint for other states, other cities, other municipalities of how to reach out to a to the younger group of people?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: We really hope that it can be a blueprint, but we also hope that, again, it's an iterative process.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: So someone, a school district that might be near the tribal nation schools up in Lake Placid, might need a different education platform, uh a different take, if you will, than someone in Brooklyn or in the Bronx, you know, where where we're where I am located.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we are really cognizant that the state has different demographics, different pockets, and dealing with different things and have different resources, right?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're not always open to some of the resources in the schools and the community-based organizations might not have enough resources, let's say, in the central or western New York.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: So we are very, very cognizant of that as well.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you feel like overall the industry can do?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like in the industry we've we've spent a lot of time talking about legalization, whether or not we should decriminalize, whether or not we should deschedule.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't feel like we have a whole lot of conversations about how to public how to properly educate the public about what they're about to walk into.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what role do you feel the actual industry plays into this?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think with the industry, they can be partners with us in education.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's an incredibly important conversation.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And we have to acknowledge that cannabis laws have not affected every community equally.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when we acknowledge the harm caused by criminalization and unequal enforcement, again, we're looking at this from a health equity perspective, and that's how we can recognize legitimate medical cannabis use, but still protect young people, and we could recognize adult recreational use and still protect young people.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: So all these goals can live in parallel and reinforce one another.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be one or the other.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then the language that we use matters.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, as folks in the industry, we want to be careful about the language that we use.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: We want education that empowers communities rather than stigmatizing people who consume cannabis.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you did mention that black and brown communities, as we do know, have been disproportionately um impacted by cannabis prohibition.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing to make sure that these communities are this education is being placed in front of them as well?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: And this is also something that's not going to just be passed by these communities.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think a responsible cannabis industry with strong public health protections go hand in hand.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: When we started at Mount Vernon, for example, and we spoke with the mayor, we spoke with the superintendent, they were dealing with other issues that go hand in hand with cannabis exposure with youth.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when we bring in other um other state organizations, other state health agencies to partner with us.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Again, we don't operate in silos, and all of this are all of these things are integrated.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we're moving beyond fear-based prevention in any substance use, not just cannabis.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at mental health.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at how do we work with clinicians, pediatricians, therapists, social workers that are in the community.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: It really has to be a very integrated and team approach.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: What are you most proud of about kicking off this program?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this has been a whole lot of work that you've been able to lead out.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you most proud of?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Really, I'm most proud of how New York has taken the initiative in this.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: When we look at the just say no or look at the old campaigns in cannabis and substance use, that's very, very outdated.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Cannabis, honestly, in my opinion, is something that is new, that is refreshing, that can be utilized across the nation, and New York is taking the lead.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you did mention again, this is a question that wasn't even on my list about the DAIR ads and some of the ways that I grew up.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: How do you feel like some of those ads can, because I feel like they're still needed in a way, because I do feel like it comes with an educational part component to it.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: What do you how do you feel like those ads can now kind of, I guess, morph into a way that it can kind of be accepted generally now today?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Or or if they could, I hope I'm saying this correctly.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: How can these ads, how can those ads that we saw growing up, can they still be useful right now just by being repackaged?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if they could be repackaged, because remember, they they the the the core of it was a was a uniformed police officer that gave the education.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I you know, I remember them opening up a briefcase and they were just showing you, you know, the substances in the briefcase.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think what what we can do is take our learnings and our failures from that campaign and decide on what could work better now.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um the youth, again, now is a lot smarter.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: They have a lot more resources at their fingertips than when you know we did.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: We had to go to the library and look up an encyclopedia and go through the library catalog to find out things.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: But now everything is on their phone.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And if we could have the open conversation alongside with them and look at some of the things that they're looking at, that is more impactful, I think, than looking at the old campaign.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for entertaining me with that question because I thought so too.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's gonna be kind of hard to repackage, but it'd be a good thing to answer, ask Eve.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you led into one of my last questions, which is if a parent was listening to this episode right now and they weren't, you know, trying to figure out how to have these conversations, what would you be, what was the first thing that you would tell them?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think the first thing to understand is that cannabis has changed.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Our laws has changed, our understanding of the science continues to evolve.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But one thing that hasn't changed, and you and I talk about this repeatedly throughout the session, is that young people need adults they can trust.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it's that relationship.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: And cannabis, honestly, our campaign is about giving people facts and tools and the confidence to have those conversations with the trusted adults.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it always goes back to the trusted adults, and we do need everyone, everyone at the table.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if somebody was listening, it was in the area and wanted to learn more about the program.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: How can they do that?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a website?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a social media platform they can go to?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's cannabishonestly.org, and they can explore the resources, they can order materials on the Office of Cannabis Management website.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: We have our own education library as well.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so feel free to peruse that and stay in touch with us.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Dr.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Chen, I do appreciate for your time.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: You've definitely been super knowledgeable for us.
• 20:00
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• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: No problem.
• 20:15
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