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- speaker-0: What's holding you back from creating your dream ABA company? One of the things that holds us back is waiting for the perfect moment, waiting for the perfect idea, waiting for perfection. speaker-1: Do you like in home? Like or do you absolutely hate it? And if you the if you hate it, why in the world would we do in home for the next three years? speaker-0: But I do have my own story. Okay, well we have X amount of money in the bank. Steven will put in his notice for his full time. Anyways, and then what, a week later we found out our son was on speaker-1: your company only runs because you know everything and you don't have a company, you have a hobby. I don't recommend a franchise. I d I don't recommend signing up with an investor. I recommend building speaker-0: Welcome to ABA Business Leaders brought to you by Three Pi Squared. I'm April. speaker-1: And I'm Steven. speaker-0: And today is a day of being human. Yeah. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: Today we are going to talk about what's holding you back from creating your dream ABA company. That sounds like a lot, huh? speaker-1: Yeah, normally in these podcasts I'm like doom and gloom warning you don't do this, right, if you're not ready. and I I kinda wanted to change it up a little bit. I I want to yeah, I wanna be a little bit more positive. And and so if you are listening to this and you're like, I I wanna do it right. I I wanna I wanna provide the services that the company that I currently am working with, refuse to do, cannot do, then let's build your dream. And and w what is holding you back? And I I think that I don't think that this is ABA related. I think this is just human behavior. it's like I'm not good enough. I don't have enough experience. I I I'm not capable of doing this, right? Like somebody else's gonna do a better job than me. those could possibly be true. but which ones are are real fears and which ones are just a way of avoiding something that that could be an amazing experience. speaker-0: A way to avoid to avoid the uncomfortable. Yeah. most of our podcasts we say, hey, these are directed to a very specific audience. And Steven has joked a few times, we're not going to be talking about basket weaving here or knitting or whatever. it's really very specific to ABA and it's still, you know, you're you're going to hear about ABA throughout this because we are talking to an ABA audience. However, I really feel like you could use this information and this conversation, right? Because that's what we like to do. We're just all sitting here around a cup of coffee or a glass of water just having a chat, right? I said coffee, but I've already had my coffee for today, but well I have some water. So cheers. So we're just sitting around chatting speaker-1: Cheers. speaker-0: and Whether it's wanting to start a ABA business or maybe you want to start that yoga studio or that craft crafting idea or I don't know. Whatever you want to do. I think a lot of this will apply to it because like you said, it's it's all just kind of human behavior and so yeah, what is holding you back? What what are you telling yourself? Barriers are in place. Yeah. I know for me personally, my story, anytime I am starting something new. And even sometimes when I'm in the thick of doing the thing that we're doing now here, I think, who am I? Who am I to be saying this or doing this? and then I take a step back and and realize, yeah, I'm not I'm not some I don't know, a a go speaker-1: Super smart PhD. speaker-0: superhuman or a PhD or or anything, right? But I do have my own story. And maybe sharing my story can help a couple people along their path, right? and so sometimes that helps to ground me of like, hey, we're all just humans here doing the best that we can and There have been many humans that I've crossed paths with along the way that were also not super heroes. They were pretty amazing people, but that I learned from. And then I also got to learn from people who maybe weren't some of my favorite people. And, you know, the thing that I think we all kind of struggle with is learning through making mistakes. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. you're going to make mistakes. So get over it, right? and I I think I deal with that who am I conversation in my head probably twenty five times a day. Right. And so who am I? And yet I still do it anyway, right? Like that that's kind of how I end that conversation with my mind is just Yeah, why am I doing what what gives me the right? You you're right. I don't know what gives me the right, and I'm gonna do it anyway. And so like I I think that that ending that sentence that way it can be very helpful. and you can be concerned, you can have legitimate concerns, and then there are going to be some things that are just Would you have the same concern if you like you said, if you started your own crafting company? Maybe maybe you would. is my are my crafts good enough to be beside the other person's crafts? And like I I don't know. I I'm not quick enough to be able to do all of these crafts and right. Like so I think that if that i it no matter what the scenario is, and I find a lot of business owners are like that, If you're you're gonna be critical of yourself no matter what, then you might as well you might as well do the thing that you enjoy doing, right? The way that you wanna do it. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. We were in our support group yesterday, our ABA business leader support group. come join us, that's free. we'll put notes in the show and we'll put the link in the show notes. So in our support group we were chatting about the beauty of it being your business. Is that you get to make it your business. You know, yes, we have regulations to follow, and we have ethics, and we have the science of ABA or the science or the the pres how of whatever it is that you're doing, right? There are all these pieces there. But part of being an entrepreneur, part of starting your own thing. Is that you get to put your own spin on it and you get to make it your own and you get to hopefully bring into it what excites you, what interests you. We talk a lot here about knowing your why. And I think this is just taking your that even a little step further, right? Yes, know your why, but it's also okay that your why really be. your why. It has to not what it's supposed to be. Because if not from that very get go, it it's just it's it's not gonna be yours. and and I think that's one of the things that's really exciting i from Steven's book. He talks about if you don't know Steven has a book. So also in the show notes. but there are we are looking yeah, there it is. Right there. so vision. We have a few quotes here. and I believe there was one specifically vision. So okay. I know this is going down on a on another point, but I think it applies here too. Like vision isn't a marketing tool, it's a survival tool. So we need you need to really truly know what your vision is for the company. And I think it diving even deeper and connecting all of these thoughts that are flowing through my brain right now and putting them together of like that is knowing your why, but it's your why. Yes. And it's what you want it to look like. and just because this is how it's mostly done in most places doesn't mean that's how you have to do it in your place. speaker-1: Yeah, I I I I agree. And I I have so many consultations paid and free about this. But this is you're coming to me and having a conversation about your dream, not the company down the street, it's not Steven's dream, it's not right. I can give you some guidance on this is kind of like this is a typical process in here, but l People will come to me all the time and say, look, I I know normally I'm supposed to do in home because you gotta get clients and then I move to my clinic and right, and and yeah, okay. Do you like in home? Like, or do you absolutely hate it? And if you the if you hate it, then why are we doing it, right? Like why in the world would we do in home for the next three years? So that you could be profitable enough to then start the the your real dream company. And now there there may be some scenarios where you're like, okay, I gotta do it this way because right. But if there are ways around let's start something small, right? I we've we've talked about what what you did with what is it, JCC, the Jewish community center in Virginia, where they would like give you space. And so Talk to a place of worship that that maybe you frequent and see if they have a place where you can put on social skills groups or or start your clinic for a reduced cost, right? there are ways that you can implement this in your way. And, you know, I get that feedback. Well, I guess I should start a franchise or I I should start like I call it Uber of ABA and I'm not really getting into it any more than that, but I I I need I need to do it this way because I I can't build it myself. like I don't recommend a franchise. I d I don't recommend signing up with an investor. I recommend building what you want to build. speaker-0: I and to to piggyback off of what you said earlier, like it could be the flip side too. If you don't want a clinic, you don't have to have a clinic. If you want to specialize in a very specific population, if you want to train very specific skills, if you want to work with two year olds, if you wanna work with twenty two year olds, if you want to work with you know, like Coaching someone through executive functioning skills, if you want to really dive into potty training, right? There are ways to do this to make it yours and do the things that you want to do. Yes, yes, yes. There are some of those things that you just have to do that are part of business and part of the regulations and but ultimately that little spark, that little glowing joy, you've got your choose joy shirt on today. it it needs to be right there, like in the middle, and and you know, set it up on a shelf and look at it every day and remind yourself of how like beautiful that is and how much it means to you because that's what that's your spark, that's your joy, that's what started this whole thing, your, you know, your mission, your values, all of that, blah, blah, blah. But let's look at it even more beautifully and artistically, that like this is your own baby. This is your your beautiful thing, right? and so what have you Me, right here. Me. One of the things that holds us back is waiting for the perfect moment, waiting for the perfect idea, waiting for perfection, however, that perfection is showing up in your beautiful brain as you're trying to plan this out and imagine what you want it to look like. And the wonderful news is that. It doesn't have to be perfect to get started. speaker-1: Yeah, it's never. speaker-0: And it's not gonna be perfect. Yeah. So just you know, you get you get to just like let that go. speaker-1: Yeah, you get the speaker-0: Let that go. 'Cause it's not gonna happen. speaker-1: Yeah, I I I think that again, painting your picture i is really important because, you know, if you're painting someone else's picture and it like when it gets hard, 'cause it well. I mean it it it just like life gets hard. And when it when it is that hard time, you're gonna say, Why in the hell am I painting this other person's picture? I don't want anything to do with this. This is mine. I I I have no attachment to it. Right. But if if you're building your company, your dream company, w when I often say, what is it that you want to hear when you come into your clinic or when you open the door or when you check your email? What do you want to see? What are the what are the emails that you want to read? Right? What that that's the start of your vision, right? And most people don't say I want it to be chaos and anger when I read my emails. So like just I mean right. Yeah, some people do. Right. I mean, we I've talked about mighty amount syndrome. So like some people love putting out fires and I I think that that's okay. but like normally you you don't want to hear those, you don't want to see those, you don't want to pick up the phone and it's always panic mode. So knowing that going in and how do I do that, right? How do I do that when I'm starting out? Well Aga again, maybe it's rate negotiation, maybe it's knowing financially what rates you can accept. Maybe it's knowing, okay, when I get to this certain revenue per month, I hire a virtual assistant or I hire an assistant so that I don't have to do ninety percent of the job that I don't wanna do, right? So these things they they can help you as you build this out, right? Yeah, I I don't know, but we're all winging it. we're all winging it and it's just not and it's not been my experience that people know what they're doing most of the time. Right. So like you can have a plan and you can put it in place. But like you said, like there's no perfect time to start. It it's not like, you know, if I wait till next year when all of these worries about Medicaid and insurance regulations kinda settle down, okay. but there'll be something else, right? speaker-0: I think it's important too. we're we're also not saying react we're not saying act irresponsibly either. S common sense here of yes. I mean, d do you need to have some basic things lined up? Do you need to understand your finances and what you're dealing with? Do you need to know the basic, you know items that you need to get started, you need to start doing your research. But maybe that's where the getting started starts, right? And we're absolutely here to help. And we have a lot of products and services and stuff to help out. You know, and and if you're not looking to start an ABA company, you have those mentors within there's mentors in every field field. And there's some research to be done. that can be how you get started. You're doing your research. You're acting responsibly, of course, right? But we all know that it it can ramp up very quickly from there to that feeling of having it having the need of it needing to be the thought of it needing to be perfect. And that's kind of where we're talking about too, right? When we decided to start, it was pretty impulsive. speaker-1: yeah. speaker-0: And we did learn as we go. I mean, we had our basic things figured out. We knew how much money we wanted to have in the bank. Now, was that did that end up being enough? No, not really. speaker-1: No, it was a wing. We we it was winging it the whole time. There was no it was, hey, I betcha we could start an ABA practice. Okay, let's try it. That that's how it started. There wasn't a business plan. There wasn't there was no mission. speaker-0: There was nothing like that. The main thing that we had in place was okay, when we have X amount of money in the bank, Steven will put in his notice for his full time job of benefits. And it those of you who have been around for a while know our story. Those who are new, welcome. we decided we started this thing. Steven was helping, he was working shift, and so then he would took this on at his second full time job. speaker-1: Second full time. speaker-0: because he realized very quickly speaker-1: Six months of days. speaker-0: He realized very quickly that I had no business doing any running a business. I was completely like I was like rainbows and sunshine and care bears and let's help everybody for free and do all the things, right? and so anyways, so he was helping build the business end of it and we were you know, but though that was the main thing. We was like, Okay, he'll he'll put in his notice for his job when we get to this amount. I think what, six month savings or something. speaker-1: It was speaker-0: And I think at that time we thought a hundred thousand dollars was so much speaker-1: I a hundred thousand dollars back then was so much. speaker-0: It was more money than it is now. Yeah. Anyways, and then what, a week later we found out our son was on the way. That and so Steven panicked and I was just in shock, I think. And Stephen panicked of like, okay, I just quit my job with in health insurance and full time benefits and all the things and and then here we are. We were starting a starting a business as we were starting our parenthood journey. speaker-1: We we weren't starting a b the business had been established for a couple of years at that point. speaker-0: Might have been a couple of years. Gosh, that was all such a bl speaker-1: I think we started in twenty eleven or yeah, twenty eleven and I quit my job in twenty fourteen. So it had been three years. speaker-0: Yeah. I I think speaker-1: It wasn't just a startup at that point. we acted like a startup. But speaker-0: Well, a lot of new things were coming into play, insurance regulations and all of that. So but yeah, so just if that's that's all I'm saying is, that's our sh that's our story to share and that doesn't mean that's what your story's gonna look like. If you're like I need to have a few things in a few more things in place and understand more of what I'm doing before I hop into it, then that's perfect for you. speaker-1: Yeah, I I think a good question to ask yourself is what is preventing you from getting started, right? What what is that? Is it just business, I don't know business, right? can we can we fine tune what that actually is? What about the business is it that you don't understand? I don't understand financials, I don't understand payroll, I don't understand taxes, I don't I don't don't understand the legal part of it. narrowing that down and then let's learn. Let let's take a class, let's find someone that can support us, right? Because as a business owner, you're not going to know everything. You're not meant to know everything. And if your company only runs because you know everything, then you don't have a company. You have a hobby, right? Like, and so it's it's really important. that if your plan is to turn this into, a smaller business, twenty, thirty, forty employees is a smaller business, right? then then you're going to need your work to work yourself out of a job eventually. Right. And so being the go to person at the start, yeah, okay. But we do need to get you out of the day to day, right? For multiple reasons. One, that's not what you signed up for. Right. Again, what was your dream company? Right. What were you doing in your dream company? Were you doing the billing, the intakes, the hiring, the firing, right? A all of that, or were you doing specific parts of it? So knowing what that is is is really important, right? speaker-0: Yeah. So earlier when we started out, we mentioned let's look at this in like kind of behaviorally a little bit, like making yourself a treatment plan. So I think that one of the things points that we have i here to talk about is to treat that preparation like a goal. So yeah, so name what's holding you back and then taking those things and categorizing them and saying, Okay, put these are the things that I know how to do. And I feel pretty good about moving forward. These are the things I need to learn more about. And then even taking that farther and saying, okay, and here's here are the steps that I need to take to learn more about these things. and and then make some goals for yourself. Because I think that's the other piece about perfection is guess what? You're not gonna wake up one day and say, I'm gonna start a business, and then the next day you're gonna have a full fledged business. It doesn't work that way. There are lot of things in place that a lot of things that you have to do. It's a journey, right? They're there's step after step after step. does it do they all look the same? No. It it really depends on what business that you're starting. But starting an ABA business, there are certain certain things that have to be done first and like business license and you know, things like that, right? and and so I think that that also leads us into having the mindset and perhaps sitting with and being okay with being a beginner again. Yes. I I think a lot of times you want to start a business because A, you enjoy that thing, you know, you enjoy being a B C B A. You enjoy knitting. You enjoy making things, right? And you are also most likely really good at it. And so for BCBAs wanting to, you know, behavior analysts wanting to start a business, you may be a very good behavior analyst, right? But once you get to the point where you're like, I'm gonna start my own business, then you're you realize that you're not good at or you don't know how to start a business. So in that aspect you're a beginner again. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I feel like I'm blah blah blah blumping my words together and not super clear there. speaker-1: No, I had a a mentor a long, long time ago and you know, he said, if if you're not making mistakes you're not doing anything. So like you are going to make mistakes. They're you're going to learn things all the time. speaker-0: But Steven, I don't like making mistakes. speaker-1: I get that. That life is a mistake. So I speaker-0: Life is a mistake. speaker-1: mean it's a it's an opportunity to learn, right? And that what else is a mistake other than hey, I didn't know how to do this yesterday and now I do. And and oopsie, right? Like so I think that that that's really what it's about is taking an opportunity to flip the switch and say and and like I I need to practice this same behavior. So I I have not got this figured out yet. But it really is like how can I improve and what did I learn today that I didn't know yesterday and what what can I do with that information? Right. I think that that's what it's about. So being open to to making mistakes is critical in life. And I think that that's a great practice to get into anyway. And the other the other practice that it can be very helpful for business ownership, but just life in general is like being able to understand your own personal perspective, right? Like w your awareness. What what are you what are the areas that you do need more support in? What are what are your anxieties and worries actually? What are those and and how do they affect you? I think that having that self awareness is is very helpful in life, but it's also a wonderful skill as a business owner. And it is this business ownership will give you the ability to really drill down into that, right? It's speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: just and so being open and vulnerable, I think can be helpful. And and the last thing is like being humble as well, right? Like n no none of us have this on down. None of us do. And I know on Instagram everybody's got the pretty clinics and they've got everything figured out and that that it's meant to be that way, right? It it has to be this way and it can only be like this. And I just don't think that that's true. And you know, I work with a lot of providers and it's kind like I hear a lot of the same thing, right? I don't know that I I'm ready. I don't know that I can do this the right way. you know should I should I be doing this? and I I I don't like what is the thing that you don't know, right? What is the I don't know. It it's just if if that's the only thing holding you back. I I don't know, what what do you want to do? Right? I don't know if that makes any sense. speaker-0: Yeah, and I I think it too. it it is it is a journey. I think that there are certain personality traits that make up an entrepreneur, right? Because it's not for everyone. And some people try it and they decide it's not for them. some people are like, I failed at I've tried to start multiple businesses and I've failed at each one. Well I don't know that that's necessarily a failure. I think you're just getting information that maybe that particular business wasn't the right business for for you at that time, right? What am I trying to say? Okay, so so part part of okay, so in the journey of of starting your own business, the journey of being an entrepreneur, the process of starting the business and running the business and growing the business. I feel we've talked about this before in other episodes, also helps you to grow and learn as a person and shape who you are. And and I I've I've compared it to parenting because I do I am in the position where I have the the joy of well and hardships of being a parent and starting and running. businesses, right? And being an entrepreneur. And and there are a lot of similarities in in I maybe it's just who I am and how I choose to take in those life experiences and help and take that in as information and and learning through those mistakes to grow myself as a person. But one of the One one of the things that I feel like I am learning because I haven't learned at all. I am very far from learning at all. Is that emotional regulation piece of and there's so many parts to that of like, you know, measuring my worth, w you know, along with how my business is going, right? and then also, being uncomforta being okay with the uncomfortable and being like not just complete being able to handle uncomfortable situations without completely shutting down or getting angry or like acting not the anger being angry is not okay but acting on the anger or you know, it's so so there's just there there was a lot there. And so I think that It's a really it it we can look at this as a really great opportunity to learn and grow as a person too. speaker-1: Yeah, I I like I said earlier, i it's going to open things up that you didn't know were there. And if you can be open and vulnerable with with that humility, I think it can be a really cool experience. and and so, you know, it's it's what is your intention? Why am I doing this? I think is is really important. But it's not just Why am I doing this? Because I want to help kids, but it's why am I doing this? Because I want to grow and learn as a human being. and I I wanna see how I can do this differently and how does different look to you? And and I again that self awareness portion of it, well, I mean, I'm not the greatest at it. I I do feel that could be super helpful. You're always gonna have blind spots and and there are always gonna be things that trigger you. And that's just the way life is. but I I think the more that you can look at, okay, maybe this isn't a hundred percent about me and my my value and self worth are not only good if I have no cancellations and I have no turnover in my company, right? Like that's you know what I mean? Like depending on how what my bank account is or or what other people think of me or did I get to present at that conference or was I picked the best business of my state or my county, right? Like it it like it doesn't have to depend on that for me to still be able to contribute and be a valuable human, right? I I think is is important. yeah, I I don't know. I I think that you know again when I was talking earlier about I I hear a lot, can I do this? Should I do this? It's like, I can't afford health insurance for my staff. I I can't afford mileage for myself. I can't pay the same rates that the big company down the street offer. I mean, like, okay, those are things that you can't but what can you do, right? Yes. And so I think that that r really turning in leaning in to your superpower is is really important. And when I'm coaching a business on marketing, we do the same thing is like, what is your superpower? Let's create a small YouTube channel for you to promote your your skills, right? Your authenticity. And then go to the community. That's your speech therapist, your occupational therapist, your developmental pediatrician, your jujitsu class, your karate class, your mommy me program, and say, How can I help? Right. And I think that most of the B C BAs that I I have worked with, that is one of their biggest superpowers is their their ability to help, right? You all are a bunch of helpers. So let's use that, right? Let's use that skill that you already have that just comes naturally to you to create that company that you want to build. speaker-0: So I I think that's a good point to look at too. So, in the whole the realm of looking at what's holding you back, you know, stop and ask yourself So what is that what is that phrase about thief comparison is the thief of joy. How does that go? speaker-1: Yeah, I I know what you're talking about. I can't remember. speaker-0: Yeah. But so I think in life, like this happens in life too, but like when you're looking at starting your business or you have started and you're in those early years, right? Is like stop comparing yourself to those established business owners in the space, right? I mean, and I say like that sounds so like stop comparing yourself. I it's it's not that, it's just like just maybe be, maybe be mindful, right? Of where you are in your journey versus where they are in their journey. And just like you were talking about the the beautiful clinic on Instagram and the perfect, setup or the wow, I wish I could be there now. you know, it's looking at y and you're then talking about like, well, what what what is your current superpower? What are you able to do? And so I'm like pulling all of those together in my brain. And I just like in life. as a business owner, knowing that you're not gonna have all of it's not just all gonna land in your lap or all fit together and work together at the same time. It's okay to to want that beautiful clinic. It's okay to want to be able to offer the salary and the benefits that the company down the street has that's been in business for thirty years. speaker-1: What you want to offer. I want to offer four one K. I wanna offer Fridays off. I want to offer speaker-0: Right. speaker-1: right like I wanna offer three weeks of vacation because I want to do it, right? Like so and why again, why do you? Because I care about my staff and they're important to me. I wanna be able to provide CEUs internally, I wanna be able to provide very comprehensive training. Right like so Again, it's so easy and I do it like it's so easy. speaker-0: I'm to bring us back. Because you know, at this support group, one of the one of the members or I don't know, one of the people who showed up at the support group, you know, said why didn't I think about this before? I could start work days or start seeing clients at noon on Mondays and in seeing clients Friday at noon to be able to in cap the week with what needs to happen before the week starts and after the week starts for it not to flood into my weekend. It's like, huh. speaker-1: Right. Yeah. And so that that's really important is when you're starting this out, what what am I building? And I I think that yeah, I I think that a lot of people come into this and they just say, This is there is only one way to do this, and and that's not necessarily true. Maybe there is a you know, a path that has been walked, right? And and perhaps part of that journey you are making on that path. And then you can set, hey, I I wanna go look at the sunset in that direction. So I wanna see it with that with those that those trees with those flowers and and so I'm gonna go over here now, right? Like I and I think that that's okay, right? There are obviously we need to pr be providing quality services and we need to be pr following all the regular right like but even within our own company, and I don't want this I mean, hey, our podcast is a marketing get over it. But and I'm saying that to myself. and so but like we even within our company and like dude, I'm comparing myself the practice management, the training platform we have, the you know, the consulting that we have. And I I look at other consultants and I look at other practice managements and think to myself all the time is like what am I what what do you think you're doing here? what why why are you even trying this? Because I'm because I'm going to right I'm still gonna do it. That's it. I I enjoy the work. I I ha I know my intention. I know my why I'm doing this and and and it's also fun. And and I think that That's the other piece that I I find a lot of people go into this and they think they have to do everything themselves. and that that just really it really does crush you, right? Like there are are things that you don't need to do and you probably don't even have any business doing them. And and having a mentor, you know, if there are free score mentors, right? There are There are a places where you can get the support, you know, get an accountant, right? you probably shouldn't be doing your own taxes. The same I I don't think that you should go to court for yourself either, right? Like you should have an attorney. Right. There are certain things that you don't you shouldn't be doing. and you know, when I'm working with a stressed out startup and even companies that are are established, it's like take a time log and see what are the things that you love so we can connect back into that, right? Look, there is a reason why you started this. And trying to find that why is it's harder to find it after you kind of got knocked down a few times. So if as you're starting this, recognizing your why and knowing knowing that it it's just really important. And you know, screw the naysayers, right? Like Yeah, everybody's got an opinion and I I would trust your gut. I I think that that's probably one of the better things that a piece of advice that I've gotten other than if you're selling your company, don't tell your employees. trusting your gut is probably up there with the top top five things that that were told to me. and and you know, like does this feel right to you? And and sometimes you're not going to know why it doesn't feel right, but trusting that is really important. So speaker-0: Yeah, we could talk about this for a long time, just like most of our topics. But I'm glad that we were able to speaker-1: It should be fun. speaker-0: to chat about this because I think it's not talked about enough, right? It's like, you need the you need the business license, you need the I don't know, you need all the things. You need the checklist, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you need a logo, you gotta like Yeah, where's the fun in it? Find the joy in it. We f we did another episode a while back about finding the joy. and you know, even putting that podcast out because hey, we're making this our own. This is our thing, this is what we like to do. And sometimes in the podcast, I just want to talk or we just wanna talk about things that we actually enjoy talking about because sometimes we get tired of talking about the same like things over and over. Just like You might get tired of hearing us talk about some of the same things over and over. I don't know. but it's like being able to to find the joy. What do I want to talk about in this moment? And sometimes it's not about, okay, what's gonna get the most likes or what's gonna what's gonna make the most people happy or you know, sometimes it it is okay of like, well, you know what? But I enjoy this. I enjoy doing this. And this helps me to want to show up and also guess what helps me to be. A better team member and other people are gonna enjoy working with me probably a little bit better too. speaker-1: And you're gonna enjoy working your with yourself a little bit. speaker-0: Enjoy working with yourself a little bit better. So so yeah, so what's holding you back? What's holding you back from your dream job? speaker-1: Yeah, and if it's if it's somebody else's voice in your head holding you back, then I I don't think that that's enough of a reason, right? And it's it's worthwhile having a conversation on what this looks like for you. and yeah, I I just I urge you as you build this or you know, as you kind of try to dip your toe in. Because again, I I've worked with people that I still have a full time job and they're you know, they're building out this small little practice. I'm gonna try one client. Right. I'm just gonna see what happens. Do it that way. And then other people are like, dude, I'm done with this. I'm not working for another company. I've worked for 10 and they're all bad and I'm gonna do my own thing. Great. But like don't turn into one of those companies, right? And and I do hear that very often. And it's it's awful when people come to me in that situation, right? Like the only difference between me and the company I left is it's my name on the door. So again, don't build the company that you left because there's some reason why you are leaving it, right? Build your company. It should be your dream. It should be fun. I mean, it's gonna be hard. No, like it is going to be hard. And maybe you have less weekends than you would like, right? maybe you are having to work more hours than you would have if it was just a job and you could leave at five and n shut off your email. But it's yours, right? and eventually it you can get it into a place where I get to I'm just taking Friday off. I don't I don't care. Right? Like or I'm I'm gonna take the afternoon off and I'm gonna go do something that I enjoy. Right. I I i that is possible too. So speaker-0: Imagine that. speaker-1: Imagine that. speaker-0: All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for showing up today. Thanks for listening. Thanks for spending time with us. If if you enjoyed our podcast, we would love for you to subscribe and review. and if you're listening to this on an audio platform somewhere. And you would like to be able to see our faces. we're on YouTube, so come see us over there. speaker-1: And we have a brand new bus a business startup list now. I I just redid it along with a brand new billing tips. Yeah. So, you know, if you are considering this, that is a wonderful place to start, right? it's free. So just download that. That would be a great place to start and buy my book, 'cause why not? speaker-0: All right. I hope everyone has a great week and we'll see you next time.