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What a woman wants, er, doesn’t, er, don’t ask | HBR Talk 395 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three ninety five What
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  Speaker 1: a Woman Wants or doesn't or don't ask. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: menu at the top of the page. And with that
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  Speaker 1: we will get into the beginning of the beginning. So
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  Speaker 1: last week we read this article. I'll go back to
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  Speaker 1: the top so you can actually see the title, which
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  Speaker 1: uh this this title, I think I think they got.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that got me about it is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they called careful planning and financial accountability immature. But
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  Speaker 1: that that really is the reason why I chose this article.
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  Speaker 1: And I recognize that politicians are in a hurry to
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  Speaker 1: see more future taxpayers produced by the public, so that
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  Speaker 1: they can then fleece them for everything they have in
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  Speaker 1: order to to maintain a complex system of safety nets
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  Speaker 1: that actually just strangle people to deaths very very slowly.
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  Speaker 1: But if the people do not at least have some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a stable income, they can can't pay taxes.
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  Speaker 1: So this ultimately ends up being a very self defeating
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  Speaker 1: vendetta against men here, but it was written by a woman.
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  Speaker 2: This is a supplementary story to the story of men
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  Speaker 2: aren't good enough. Given that we've already established that men
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  Speaker 2: aren't good enough, the generation of men that we've created
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  Speaker 2: that aren't good enough also aren't good enough. We don't
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  Speaker 2: quite understand why the ideology that we've pumped into our
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  Speaker 2: country over the last century has only made things worse.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the point. The point is that men were
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  Speaker 2: never good enough and they're still not good enough.
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  Speaker 3: And I know what you might.
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  Speaker 2: Be thinking, men about how are you supposed to make
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  Speaker 2: this better? But whatever future you create where this is better,
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  Speaker 2: that's still not gonna make good enough. All right, So
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  Speaker 2: just letting you know, men not good enough in the past,
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  Speaker 2: not good enough in the present, and not good enough
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  Speaker 2: in the future.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: This that's it. That's that's the that's the long the
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  Speaker 2: shot of it. Men just suck forever, So make that
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  Speaker 2: not happen, please, But of course that's what I'm hearing, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's roughly the long and the shot of it.
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  Speaker 1: If if men make that not happen, that's patriarchy and women,
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  Speaker 1: women most affected. That's that's the other part of it.
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  Speaker 1: How dare you, how dare you not suck? We we
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  Speaker 1: expect to be able to say that you suck forever
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  Speaker 1: and if you don't, then then you make women wrong
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  Speaker 1: and women don't know how to handle being wrong. So
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  Speaker 1: a brief recap what we looked at here, the birth rate,
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  Speaker 1: the total fertility rate in the UK has been going down.
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  Speaker 1: It went way up for a while, and you had
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  Speaker 1: you had kind of a boom in the in the
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  Speaker 1: fifties and sixties there with a dip and then just
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  Speaker 1: has like crashed and burned.
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  Speaker 5: So that.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four it was one point four to one.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the powers that be are paranoid about
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  Speaker 1: this for many reasons, not the least of which is
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  Speaker 1: who's going to take care of all of the old
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  Speaker 1: people when they get too old to take care of
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  Speaker 1: themselves if there are no young people. But this report
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  Speaker 1: says that the problem is not women, because it states
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  Speaker 1: that women are planning to have children. Nine out of
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  Speaker 1: ten women want to have children, play and have children,
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  Speaker 1: but men are putting that off in order to establish
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  Speaker 1: financial stability first, and as a result, women are having
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  Speaker 1: babies later. And at the end of it here it
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  Speaker 1: points out that the average age of a woman in
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  Speaker 1: the UK when she has her first baby is older
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  Speaker 1: than it's ever been. And I looked it up. It's
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  Speaker 1: like twenty nine thirty years old. So it's still within
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  Speaker 1: the range of if if you want to have a
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  Speaker 1: healthy baby, that's your first baby should really be born
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  Speaker 1: before you're thirty five, So it's still within the range
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  Speaker 1: of your baby's still going to be healthy right.
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  Speaker 2: Age as many above that as there.
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  Speaker 1: Are below that. Well maybe you know, maybe maybe there
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  Speaker 1: are some that are well below and some that are
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  Speaker 1: well above, and perhaps there are more that are below,
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  Speaker 1: but some that are well well above, because there are
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  Speaker 1: instances that I remember reading a few instances in fact,
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the UK where somebody had a surprise
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy and they're in their fifties and it's their first
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  Speaker 1: baby and it's it makes the news and and I'm
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  Speaker 1: suddenly thinking, I mean, this is going to be very
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  Speaker 1: rough on both the mother and the baby. It's not
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  Speaker 1: not a good time to start having children. But but
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  Speaker 1: it does happen. It's it's it happens because women. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if they forget that they they're still fertile
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  Speaker 1: after they've decided they're not having children or what, but
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  Speaker 1: or they think that if they didn't all this time,
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  Speaker 1: it's because they can't. But along comes the super sperm.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, you never know what Without halving the numbers
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, you never know exactly what the
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  Speaker 1: combination is above or below that gets to that average.
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  Speaker 1: But in any case, the total above and the total
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  Speaker 1: below will be fairly similar. One thing the UK doesn't have,
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  Speaker 1: I think, is the teen pregnancy rate that the US has.
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  Speaker 1: It used to be fairly normal for under the age
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  Speaker 1: of twenty a lot of women conceiving, and personally, I
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  Speaker 1: think that that's not something to encourage because you don't
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  Speaker 1: get very far under the age of twenty before your
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  Speaker 1: parent there is still in high school. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: high schoolers getting pregnant. You don't want parents who cannot
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  Speaker 1: support their children bringing children into the world. You want
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  Speaker 1: them to wait until they at least have a stable
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  Speaker 1: form of employment and are capable of paying their bills.
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  Speaker 1: And it used to be that people started going for
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  Speaker 1: gainful employment in high school and it was normal for
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  Speaker 1: most students to have a job. If women were planning
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  Speaker 1: on being home homemakers. Besides learning from mom, grandma and
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  Speaker 1: aunts at home, they were also taking a class called
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  Speaker 1: home economics, which in a lot of schools now you
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  Speaker 1: can't even find that. It's it's essentially a class where
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  Speaker 1: you learn the basics of running a household, budgeting, cooking,
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  Speaker 1: you might even learn things like sewing, but in childcare.
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  Speaker 1: Used to be that you could learn a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about that in high school courses as well, But not anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're going more toward programming and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: They want them at work, and they want them earning money.
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  Speaker 1: They want them paying taxes. They want them voting for
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  Speaker 1: safety nets that make the government more powerful. But they
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  Speaker 1: don't want them to be in charge of their kids.
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  Speaker 1: They want them farming their kids out to daycare systems
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  Speaker 1: and to public school systems where they can be programmed
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  Speaker 1: by the federal system and that's in the US, that's
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  Speaker 1: in the UK, that's in the entire western world. And
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  Speaker 1: what you end up with then is the next generation
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  Speaker 1: in the next looking at this system and saying, we
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  Speaker 1: don't want our kids in this system. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a good system. We didn't like it, and we don't
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  Speaker 1: want them to go through it. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: change how we do things and not farm our kids out.
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  Speaker 1: And what the result of that is is later childbirth,
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  Speaker 1: more planning. Especially if you know you don't see them
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  Speaker 1: getting jobs in high school, well, if they're not getting
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  Speaker 1: jobs in high school, in there putting jobs off to
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  Speaker 1: get some sort of education that you have to get
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  Speaker 1: now in order to have a job, because everything requires
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  Speaker 1: some sort of certification, even if it doesn't even if
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  Speaker 1: you can do it, even if you understand the tasks
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  Speaker 1: involved in the job, can fully be capable of performing
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  Speaker 1: them without certification, there's a lot of jobs now that
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  Speaker 1: people will not hire you for if there's not some
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  Speaker 1: sort of certification. You have to have something on your
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  Speaker 1: wall that says somebody else approves of your ability to
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  Speaker 1: do this, and and that's that's that's delaying people's start
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  Speaker 1: in the field of their choice to earn their living
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  Speaker 1: and that is delaying babies. Right, Senior Sticks gave us
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  Speaker 1: two dollars and said, it's not about healthy babies. It's
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  Speaker 1: about profit and yeah, or at least it's about paying
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  Speaker 1: off the massive loans that all the different governments of
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  Speaker 1: the world have extended to each other.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted to take a look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the comments, and these are new comments I looked before.
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  Speaker 1: In I'm gonna maybe switch to the best rated comments
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  Speaker 1: after we look at these, but these are newer than
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  Speaker 1: the ones I looked at. When I decided I want
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  Speaker 1: to look at some of the comments, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: find the ones that I was looking at before.
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like I wanted to make some kind
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  Speaker 2: of statement about how the idea that teenagers want to
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  Speaker 2: fuck each other and they always have isn is an
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  Speaker 2: idea that's it's true to a large extent and also
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  Speaker 2: false to a large extent.
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  Speaker 4: It's very easy to look at the influence the media
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  Speaker 4: has had over us that modern teenagers can look at
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  Speaker 4: TV and movies and the things that have been expressed
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  Speaker 4: to them along the lines of it's.
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  Speaker 2: Totally normal for you, as a fifteen year old to
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  Speaker 2: want to fuck every fifty every fifteen year old in
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  Speaker 2: your general vicinity, And and and we look at any
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  Speaker 2: interpretation of that and go, well, no, let's let's not
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  Speaker 2: put pushback too far on this pushback. Of course, teenagers
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  Speaker 2: want to fuck each other, and so we need to
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  Speaker 2: develop some kind of media that can guide us through
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  Speaker 2: this obvious truth that teenagers want to fuck each other.
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  Speaker 2: But I would ask any of you listening to cast
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  Speaker 2: your mind back to when you were a child, to
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  Speaker 2: when you were a pre pubescent child, and I would
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  Speaker 2: I would ask you to remember how you guided yourself
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  Speaker 2: through this notion. The human beings, right, Homo sapiens, throughout
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  Speaker 2: all of history, somehow it out that you're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: put that thing inside that thing, like obviously, as a teenager,
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  Speaker 2: it makes sense. I'm asking you to remember how you
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  Speaker 2: came about this as a child, Like, really people figured
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  Speaker 2: this out. Well, there's all manner of people who can't
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  Speaker 2: can't put two together. And and yet somehow, throughout all
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  Speaker 2: of human history, human beings, without the the advantage of
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  Speaker 2: verbal language, let alone written language, they all somehow managed
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  Speaker 2: to figure out that you're supposed to put that particular
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  Speaker 2: two and that particular two together.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's it's not intuitively
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  Speaker 2: obvious to a child at all. It and for most
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  Speaker 2: of human history, it wasn't explained in biology class, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't explained in sex education class, like and parents kind
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  Speaker 2: of didn't explain it to their children either. They figured
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  Speaker 2: it out on their own. And the very idea that
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  Speaker 2: we found ourselves in a world where children are so
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  Speaker 2: taught about this from the earliest possible age that those
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  Speaker 2: don't jokes don't even exist anymore. The the innocence that
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  Speaker 2: there was presented to even adults, And this is what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. In the Stone Age, even adults didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what it meant to bump those particular uglies. But we
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  Speaker 2: live in an age where even very small children have
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  Speaker 2: been presented with the concept of bumping those uglies, to
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  Speaker 2: the point where so much of the mystery is gone.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like this whole thing was built on
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  Speaker 2: the mystery, and far too many efforts have been made
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  Speaker 2: to dissolve the mystery of what it is that men
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  Speaker 2: and women like about each other in a way that
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  Speaker 2: boys and girls don't understand, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Like boys and girls like they don't understand this love
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  Speaker 2: hate relationship they have with each other, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: adorable to watch them sort of trying to figure it out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because boys and girls hate each other when
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  Speaker 2: they're in lower school, but once they're in medical they
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  Speaker 2: suddenly love each other and they can't figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: It's so bizarre to go from hating each other in
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  Speaker 2: that shallow way to loving each other in that well
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  Speaker 2: different kind of shallow way. And it's to some degree,
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  Speaker 2: society was so much better off when boys and girls
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  Speaker 2: were left with that mystery of of of of why
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  Speaker 2: they hate each other so much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and at least they weren't inundated with massive numbers
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  Speaker 1: of messages about sex.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't fassed with these sexual messages of why
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  Speaker 2: you should love each other, well, you should suck each
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  Speaker 2: other's dicks, be their female or male dicks, and all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's the world was a much better place when even
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  Speaker 2: adults were sexually innocent. But nowadays we live in a
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  Speaker 2: time when even when even children have no sexual innocence. Ye,
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  Speaker 2: the acceleration, the acceleration of sexual non innocence has been
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  Speaker 2: thrust through our species to the point where I do
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  Speaker 2: you know, even in my day, even in my day
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  Speaker 2: and age, an eight year old had the most sexually
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  Speaker 2: sick sense of humor, Like we would make jokes about rape.
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  Speaker 2: Now I am an the millennial, Like when I was eight,
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  Speaker 2: it was nineteen ninety and even back then, we were
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  Speaker 2: making jokes about rape before we even fully understood what
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  Speaker 2: rape was. And but when when I hear tell of
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  Speaker 2: the kind of rape jokes that ten year olds were
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  Speaker 2: making in the in the in the two thousands, I
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  Speaker 2: sort of go, oh, Okay, the more things change, the
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  Speaker 2: more they stay the same. And that's yeah. Each successive
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  Speaker 2: generation has has has had not just sexuality, but the
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  Speaker 2: process of sexuality presented to them as as a point
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  Speaker 2: of joke, and successive generation has dealt with it by
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  Speaker 2: making dark jokes about sex, like even ten year olds.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, even when I was a ten year old,
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  Speaker 2: we were making jokes about sex. I just to think
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  Speaker 2: what the tenent today?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Mic, it sounds like we lost you.
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  Speaker 2: You did lose me.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, Okay, I was gonna say, we're not doing
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  Speaker 1: a thing where everyone else can hear you and I can't. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that was my fault.
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  Speaker 2: A wire wandered across the track pad. But it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: I've finished fucking someone else.
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  Speaker 3: Talk.
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  Speaker 1: Well. A point I will make about this is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having been one of those kids that that
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  Speaker 1: never never really had the innocent experience. My observation of
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  Speaker 1: the kids I grew up with, we made rape jokes,
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  Speaker 1: and I grew up in a neighborhood where we beat
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  Speaker 1: each other up for fun too, Like, we literally beat
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  Speaker 1: each other up for fun. We had boxing ring and
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  Speaker 1: boxing gloves, and had willow whip fights, willow tree whip
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  Speaker 1: fights and stuff like that. So we were a little
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  Speaker 1: different than maybe some of the other kids that that
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  Speaker 1: other gen xers grew up with, depending on like what
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood you live in. But we definitely we definitely knew.
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  Speaker 1: But we also started sex education and like the fourth grade,
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  Speaker 1: and they tried to make us be mature about it,
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  Speaker 1: because ten year olds are great at behaving in a
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  Speaker 1: mature adult manner when presented with information that makes thirty
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  Speaker 1: year olds feel titillated and start giggling. But yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this has been a long time. It has been been
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  Speaker 1: around for a long time. I think they had I
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  Speaker 1: think DA had sex education even in the sixties, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even in the fifties a little bit. It's they started
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  Speaker 1: inserting it into the public school system in the early
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  Speaker 1: twentieth century, and it got worse over time. It was
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  Speaker 1: initially sold to the public. I guess as people don't
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  Speaker 1: understand this, they don't understand how to prevent unplanned pregnancy,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to teach them. And what ended up happening.
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  Speaker 1: Unplanned pregnancy increased when you make people who aren't mature
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  Speaker 1: enough to control their impulses on their own think more
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  Speaker 1: than they naturally would on their own about a behavior
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  Speaker 1: that comes with a lot of difficult to control impulses,
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  Speaker 1: did you get unwise impulsive behavior? And of course, up
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  Speaker 1: until the millennial generation, teenagers spent quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: unsupervised time together. During the latter part of the twentieth century,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they spend so much unsupervised time
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  Speaker 1: together now, and hopefully that will reduce the teen pregnancy rate.
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  Speaker 1: But that used to be recognized as a problem that
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  Speaker 1: we don't want parenthood to start at the age of sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: because we do want parenthood to be a successful endeavor.
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  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre asks, what is that post secondary school that
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  Speaker 1: now has a program in being an OnlyFans content creator.
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  Speaker 1: Is that real life? Please tell me that's not real.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a joke? I hope that. I hope that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a joke. Same, So, senior sticks us, what are these jokes?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: YouTube probably would eliminate us if we started describing these jokes.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But for the sake of people to understand, I had
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to explain this all right in a court case once.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Most most rape jokes make the rapist the butt of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the joke, portraying the rapist as a moron who can't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: tell the difference between a good idea and a bad idea.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And and of course that's not necessarily the problem with
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: most people who engage in criminal violence, and that includes
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: sexual violence. The problem isn't that they don't know the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: difference between a good idea and a bad idea. It's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: very and that they don't care about the difference. Oh shit, Lauren,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: your robo again.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know how to fix this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Smack the top of it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: No, it's my phone.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Oh that won't work. I feel like I should be
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: saying red leader, this is a gold leader. Except can
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: we not have the technical difficulties for a minute, that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: would be nice. Uh So the comments that I wanted
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to look at, the first one is actually blow this
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this first one here, but I'm this first one here
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't neither one of these. Well, the first one was
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: not showing when I looked at this the other day.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And this isn't bad either. So here we have a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: person who is I mean, it's bad, it's not bad
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: show material. It's not the comment, but a person here
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: who is blaming men. This isn't looking good at all.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: A society they cannot slash, will not take responsibility for
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the message it creates, whether it's telling women not to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have babies to save the planet and pursue careers instead,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: are telling men that men have no intrinsic intrinsic value
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and are not wanted. Any society that then pivots and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: tries to shift the blame for the messaging they are
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: responsible for will not just collapse quietly. It will collapse
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in the same manner a toddler throws a temper tantrum,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but multiplied by a million. Right. The thing that strikes
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: me about this comment, besides the fact that you know
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: they're they're blaming messaging, but not individual choices. Is that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: they think the only problem with societies messaging toward men
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: is that we're telling men they have no intrinsic value
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and are not wanted. That's that's a big problem, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it is true. It's correct that we are that that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: our society is doing that they are telling them that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But if that was the only problem, it would be
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: fairly easy to overcome by simply changing the messaging. Right,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But that's not why men are not not trying to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: conceive children. It's not just that men are being treated
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: as if they don't have any value. It is that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: men are being treated as if they don't have any
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: any human rights, that if they are in conflict with
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a woman, that the woman's interests override any human rights
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they think they have. So it's okay to enslave them,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: it's okay to deny them due process in both criminal
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and family court. It's okay to destroy their relationships with
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: their children. It's okay to make them homeless, it's okay
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to crush them under the wheels of the court system,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: which is no longer a justice system because of all
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: these ideas that it's okay to do these things. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: if a man is asked to take that risk, Well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you should have babies because the state wants
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you to have babies. Here's the contract you're signing. Okay,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: when you conceive with a woman, you don't have any
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: guarantee that you will get to raise your child. Also,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the woman might choose to not earn much of an income,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and she can demand that you support both your own
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: household and hers. And if you fail, if you can't
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do that based on the earning capacity that you have,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the government will punish you. Who wants to sign up,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: let's form a line at point AO here starting with
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: where'd everybody go? And they're wondering why men aren't signing
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: up for this, And they don't understand that if you
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: can't at least guarantee that the state will not unfairly
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: exclude fathers from their children's lives and rob them to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: pay for a lifestyle the mother has, that is detrimental
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to the welfare of the child. They don't understand that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that is a detriment to men wanting to conceive children.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: This is something that your politicians need to hear about.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's something that your news media needs to hear about,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and it's something that we've been practically screaming about in
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the men's rights movement, the whole movement for a century,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: not just us right now. This traces back to the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: days of Ernest Belford backs talking about the difference in
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: how the court system treats women versus men, mothers versus fathers. Right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So it's not just an issue of messaging. Messaging could change.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You could tell men all kinds of positive messages. It
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: might prevent some more suicide if you actually treated men
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: as a society. We treated men like human beings that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: have intrinsic value, are loved and wanted and needed and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: should live out their whole lives. But it's not going
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to solve the entire problem because it's a tip of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: an iceberg that is so big, touching the bottom of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the ocean. Then we have there are two things here, Well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there's a third. Actually I didn't notice before that this
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is really the one that's that got my attention. Right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: around a third of gen Z babies have been aborted.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Why is there no mention of that? We have this huge,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: massive problem of low birth rate, right and this isn't
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: just in the UK. Worldwide, Three in ten pregnancies ends
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in an elective abortion right now, worldwide, right now. So
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: tenplate Apple has a solid point. The birth rate would
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: be higher with all those babies. And clearly there are
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: reasons why women are choosing this. We don't necessarily know
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: what they all are. But you cannot simultaneously encourage women
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to kill their babies before they're born and then have
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a high birth rate. Shaman King points out people respond
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to incentives. You have to give men an incentive or
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: remove negative incentives. Yep, the deterrents are I think overwhelming
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: at this point. So Wisdom Wizard responds to tenplate Apple
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: with you don't have to breed. It's not a law.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: We'll ignore the run on sentence, I say, as I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: don't ignore the run on sentence. I hate those, But
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it is true, you don't have to breed. It's not
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: legislated that people are obligated to have children, and it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: obviously quite problematic to try to do that. It results
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in some very serious issues, not the least of which
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: being that people would have children they do not want
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and the children would be abused.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you don't have to speak. It's not
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a law. You don't necessarily need to have the freedom
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to speak. That is a law. But if men and
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: women weren't breeding, then there would be no opportunity to speak.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Because men and women have been breeding for so long
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that we have evolved the ability to speak. So something
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: has to come first.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Among the things that have to come first is, you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: men and women getting along because you know, speech is great,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: but we have speech because we developed a species and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: with men and women who can get along to get
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Well, among other things, you know, you have the issue
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of speech goes along with association. Sex obviously goes along
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: with association. Courtship goes along with association. And you don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have association if you don't have some sort of cooperation.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to be around each other, you're
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: not going to cooperate on the concept of association with
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: each other. You're not going to associate. You're not going
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to speak, you're not going to get to know each other,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you're not going to develop a sense of camaraderie much
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: less enemay see, and there's no sex, no babies, no nothing.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: But what gets me is that that thing you don't
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have to breed, it's not a law where the government
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: is headed is and and it's been proposed in multiple countries.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I believe the United States has proposed. There's people in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the United States that have proposed this as well. All Right,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: we have something called the earned income tax credit here already.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So if you bring a child into the world, for
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the entire time that you're raising that child, if your
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: income is between a certain level of poverty and a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: certain level of middle middle class, there is a varied
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: level of tax credit that you get, and your tax
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: credit at the peak, which is in the middle of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that income range, uh and can be increased based on
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: how many children you have at that peak. It can
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: be and often is for for many people, larger than
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the number of dollars you paid in taxes. So there
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: will be people that will send in their their tax
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: return or their their tax paperwork, right and they will
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: they'll get back a check that is for a larger
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: amount of money then their employers took out of their
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: checks to pay taxes. In other words, if you don't
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have children, the federal government is charging you a fee
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because where do you think that money comes from? Your taxes?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And now they don't tell you that in so many words, like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: there's not some published news article out there announcing to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the entire population of the United States, Hey, because you
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: are not included in this group that gets back this
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: tax credit. And people who do have children, are you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: are being taxed to pay them to have children? If
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you are, if you are a childless there's no announcement
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that's been made.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm seeking fucking tired of it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: Can I be the goddamn one to make this goddamn
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: announcement stop fucking and stop taking my money or keep
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: fucking just stop taking my goddamn money.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: In other words, support your children. Yes, yep. And and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that's that's the situation. That's been that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: way since before all of my children were born, before
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I had my son, before my husband's ex wife had
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: uh their two dollars daughters. That tax credit's been around
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: for decades, and uh, it's to incentivize childbirth, it's to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: incentivize raising a family. You do not have to be
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: married to to receive it. You can receive it while
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: being a single mom. And I worked with number of
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: single moms that received that money. The presumed point of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that money is to h to make it easier to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: have a family, to support your family, pay your bills
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and so on. And I can't tell you how many
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: times that I have seen single moms I worked with
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: talking about what they're going to do with that money
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: when they get their tax refund. You know, it's it's
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: not a refund, if it's if it was somebody else's money.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I got it is a grocery store and get a
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: refund for my dissatisfaction with groceries that somebody else bought. Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that's not how that works. But uh, I heard so
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: many I'm gonna go buy me a color TV. I'm
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be get get get a big screen TV. I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: gonna this. I'm gonna that. We're gonna go to this
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: amusement park. We're gonna go spend a week in this location,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: in any of this many days off. Not I'm gonna
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: get the car fixed that I've been complaining about. No,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch up on my electric bill. Uh, you know,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: none of that. And and so, because it's quote free money,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they don't have to be responsible with it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: No, it's bastardized. And what they use it for is
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: to buy the wigs and the ws and the nails
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: and machines and the clothes and the makeup and.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: All the outfits so that they can go out and
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: catch another baby daddy and get strong fight back into
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: the system. You know, it's never to take care of
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: the children, what them not say never.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I fully believe there needs to be a complete.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: Audit, like there needs to be, you know, receipts given
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: for the money that they spend, showing and proving that
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: it's actually being used to take care of these children
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: that they have, that somehow the.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Father is just magically not around.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Oh I don't know, maybe he's in jail because you
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: report it to the government.
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: That he's not paying a jazz a board. Just the
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: abuse is disgusting, you know.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: And so let's talk about tax dollars, right, because fifty
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: of the money that we spend in this country goes
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: to social programs, right, the benefit of the people's This
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: is less than what we spend on our military budget, right,
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: which is also being defrauded by these people who they're
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: they're in.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: The military for like two three days and they stub their.
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: Fucking toe and they say, oh my gosh, I need
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: I'm disabled.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I can't work anymore, and they get four thousand fucking dollars.
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: The money, full life, full fucking life.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, and this is this is news, right, this is
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: new because again, the fraud in.
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: This country has like skyrocketed in the past few years.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And the military is no different from any of this.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: Right, So you have veterans, you have people who have
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: been to more actually.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Seen combat, who can barely uh, you know, get a
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: couple of dollars to to you know, for the interviews
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: that they've incurred while they were in service. But you
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: got these people who.
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: All I went to the Navy and all, oh my god, I.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Had to I had to get down gear. Meanwhile, everybody
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: knew versu the who comes in that's what you do.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: That is the requirement all.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to give military.
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: Oh my god, I got my head on all her
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: and whatever.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: The fraud is just disgusting. It's like there was some
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: point in recent history.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Where like the flecteds were just.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Opened and all of this tax money that is being
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: collected from you and everybody listening to this and beyond
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: were just a cred.
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: And now we wonder why America is in twelveilli dollar
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: debt know.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: You know, let's let's start counting these people, Let's start
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: looking at the books, let's.
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: Open these things and start actually paying attention to what's
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: happening here, you know. And everything is really tied into judging.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: It's so intricately. It's it's the more you look at
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: it and the.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: More you see the more personally, the more disgust that
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: I become.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And I just want to fucking check out. I don't
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: want to pay taxes. I don't I do not consent
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: to my money being the.
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: Safe in these areas, in these ways, you know.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And what is a person like you supposed to do it?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Won't you go boat, you know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Go advocate, go vote these people out. Well, I'm one person.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I have one vote, even if I can get ten people,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's it's just not enough.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: Their news be really hardline, you know, accountability being healthier.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: But I just don't see that happening anytime in the future,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And it's it's.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Sad because what happens to this country is the destruction
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: of the family. And you don't see people coming together
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and having children and you know, living in new generation.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, what the fuck for? Because look at what
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you're putting these children to. Look at the system that
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: you're putting these children into.
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I would not ever I did at some point several
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: times in I I wanted to have kids.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, if I had kids and they have
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: to deal with this.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Ship, I would feel horrible that this is what they
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: have to do with.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Design.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And it's a difficult part figuring out a solution to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: this this situation because we we can't just We're not
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: going to suddenly see uh, a change in attitude in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: in society. Right, we do live in a largely missandric
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: society to the to the degree that people get offended
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: if men expect that they their accountability will be limited
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to things that are under their control. You have control
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: over to a degree, you have control over whether or
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: not you have sex like that. That degree is lowered
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: by the fact that if a woman uses the same
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: methods to get sex from a man that are considered rape,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: when a man does them, even when they're not violent,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and she gets what she wants and she conceives a child, uh,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Suddenly it's his fault and he should have had more control,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: even though if he did it to her, he could
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: be jailed for raping her, and that that includes intoxicant
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: facilitated rape where the guy was dosed against his will
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: or where the guy was not in a situation of
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of pre consent and uh and and she took advantage
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of him being passed out or blackout drunkens or something
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: like that. And and there have even been situations where
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: guys have been accused of rape because a woman has
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: regretted doing that to him. So it's not even fair
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to say guys have control over whether or not they
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: have sex. Under that circumstance, a woman can trick a guy,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: lie to a guy, use intoxicants or other means of
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: overriding his refusal, and then still be considered guilty, even
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: if he's underage, still be considered guilty of the crime
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of producing a child that he's not able to support
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: or willing to support, and he can be forced to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: support that child. The youngest case I ran across a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: description of was of an eleven year old boy. There
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: was raped by an adult, and the adult collected child
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: support from the family of the eleven year old boy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: You can't get a job when you're eleven years old.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: You might be able to I don't even think you
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: can still get a paper route. When I was a kid,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: an eleven year old could get a paper out. They
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: earned a pittance. They earn less than minimal wage delivering newspapers,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: mowing lawns and stuff like that. But you can't now.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think even do that because you can't go
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: door to door as an eleven year old today. It's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: not safe. Probably was not entirely safe back then either.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And you can't leave your eleven year old unsupervised. But
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you can hold an eleven year old accountable for being
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: raped if that eleven year old is male and the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: rapist conceived a child. Albert Nada retro says hey, it
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: says on the uh he's in the special chat, gave
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: us ten dollars Canadian and says, hey, badgers. It's been
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a while, is wondering if you've been discussing the stat
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: grape case of the former mayor of the Riddler Louisiana Mayor,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: mister Roberts. Also, the avatar animations are great. No, actually
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: we haven't. I didn't even know there was a case,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: so now I'm gonna have to look that up. We
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: might discuss that next week. On the show. Uh but
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: uh but essentially with this and Lauren really touched on
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: all the high points this this concept here, you don't
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: have to breed. It's not a lot and it shouldn't
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: be right. The government should not be encouraging people to
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: bring children in the world that they are not prepared
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to support. The government should be getting the fuck out
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of the way of parents who are trying to support
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: their families. Stop robbing the public, Stop robbing Peter to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: pay Mary Sue, who really can't do all the things
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: that she's credited with being able to do without working
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: for them. She's actually relying on men to pay for
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: all of her shit. Right, And the government should definitely
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: not be deciding who does and does not have children.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: That is not what government is for. Even if even
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: if I agree that there should be which I don't necessarily,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: but that there should be any government at all, if
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to exist, it should be very limited in scope.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And this is not within its scope. But bungeee one
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: has pointed out, yeah, or yet no tax drones being deployed.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And this is another thing. This is something that people
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: don't realize. Yes, they have been, they have been deployed.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: They have been deployed for a long time. All right,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: whatever country you live in, if you are single, you
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: are being taxed to pay for other people's children. If
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you live in a Western nation. Right now, I don't
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: know the names of the tax systems are incentives that
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: other countries are using, but it is happening. And it's
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: not just the earned incomes. That's the most blatant in
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the US is the earned income tax credit. But you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: also have the whole welfare system, the food stamp system,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: especially the Medicaid system, the system that pays for medical
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: insurance just for kids of parents with low incomes, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: all of the variety of other types of welfare support
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that low income parents with children are eligible for, as
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: long as you have dependent children that you're not eligible for.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: If you are a low income adult, you don't have children. Sorry,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: are you guys trying to talk now?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Some confusing things have happened in the room.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we'll have to figure out a way to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: get her back in. Hopefully. If not, I guess it's
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: going to be the panda face saying Lauren's parts. You'll
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: let to come in and we can hear her when
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: she talks, we can hear her on your microphone, which
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: might sound better than on her phone. But in any case,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that was the ones that I really wanted to to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to go over. Was just just this, this exchange right here,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: although this newer when this was actually a pretty good
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: thing to bounce off of as well. So the government
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and apparently the writers at the Daily Mail think the
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: solution is to tell men, you know, start starting knocking
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: up those women, right. I hate that term. By the way,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: women don't get knocked up. They don't get a bun
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: in the oven. They don't become with child. They conceive.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: They are part of the deal. They are part of
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: the cause.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Every single woman who conceives a child is there for
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the conception, and unless she had no choice in it,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: it's as much her fault as anybody else's. But what
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: do we get this. I was gonna make this after
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: show article until I went through it and I realized
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: just exactly how much it contradicts this article that we're
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: looking at now. Right, And remember this article we were
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: comparing last week to the complaints about in cells. Oh,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: men who can't get into a relationship with a woman
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and want to get into a relationship with a woman
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: are dangerous? Shame on them? How dare they right? But
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: now we have this claim that men are the reason
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: why babies are not being made. Why aren't there more families? Well,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: it's men's fault. Except we have, by the expert editor,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: eight reasons why women are put off by marriage, not men. Women.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: And again this is another article written by a woman.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: At least she's writing about women's opinions this time. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the first thing, I'm not gonna read the intro here, Well,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: yeah i am. Marriage isn't for everyone, and women tend
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to have their own stack of reasons. The difference comes
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: down to perspective. Some ladies imagine marriage as a constraint
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: on their independence, masked under a vail of poor societal expectations. Conversely,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: others view marriage as a joyous union, bubbling with love,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: trust and shared dreams. In reality, it is neither entirely
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: this nor that, and smart women know that there are
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: specific reasons that can dampen their charm toward the prospect
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: of marriage. Well, it's gonna make me, I can't.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I have to.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: It won't let me show you unless I change in.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: It's the same window all right, let's see if I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: can do this. There we go, There we go. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: this is what I've been reading, and here are eight
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: women are eight reasons why some women are put off
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: by marriage. Buckle up, we're going for a ride. So
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: this intro is very simple. But this part right here,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: with the two different opinions is part of the problem. Right,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: And she nails it in saying it's not neither entirely
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: this nor that, it's mostly not either of those things. Okay,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: marriage is a partnership, and it's not just it's not
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the wedding day might be joyous, right, It's not like
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: you're bubbling over every day that you're married. It's that
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: you have created a sense of love and security and intimacy,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: care and consideration for each other, a sense of family
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: with the person that you've chosen to partner with. And
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I think a big, huge, overwhelming piece, an overwhelming sized
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: chunk of the reason why women started abandoning marriage, not recently,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: but as far back as the nineteen fifties and sixties
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: is because they forgot that marriage is neither a constraint
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: on your independence nor a joyous union, but a partnership,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: a family union, with somebody that you love. So how
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: can you decide to jump into something if you have
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: such a poor conception of it in the first place.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: And of course their first reason is fear of losing independence.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: So I want to ask how many guys out there
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that have been married do you think of yourself in
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: individual terms? Are you allowed to think of yourself in
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: individual terms after you get married? My my things, my house,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: my car, my this, my that? Or is it what's
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine from
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: her perspective? And uh, you know, what's what's what's mine
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: is ours, and what's yours is yours from your perspective,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: because uh, it seems to me when I watch other
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: marriages that's kind of the way. It is anything that's his,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: that was his prior to the marriage and is his
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: after the marriage, in in in name at least is hers.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And anything that is was and is hers prior and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: af he is hers. And if he's lucky, she lets
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: him use his things too if she. If he's lucky,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: she lets him consider the things to be shared. But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: this is this is what the article says. Every woman
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: cherishes her independence. It's like her secret treasure her superpower.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: So what does she mean when she says independence, Because
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: most women rely very heavily on men for support, even
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: if it's not financial support. We we use electricity that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: is powered by male labor. We use a water and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: sewer and trash system. I don't know why they combine
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: those in the US, but they do that that are
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: powered by male labor. We buy supplies that are delivered
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: manufacture mostly by male labor, and delivered by male labor
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: to stores that were built using male labor, or bought
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: through online systems from warehouses that were built by male labor.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: There's more female labor than there used to be involved
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: in the retail end of it. But without men. If
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: all the men in the world disappeared right now, there'd
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: be no utilities. There'd be no one to maintain the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: integrity of the buildings we live in. There'd be no
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: supply lines. The points at which the labor becomes difficult, heavy,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and dangerous in the supply lines would would be the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: breaking points, and there wouldn't be anybody to stop the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: percentage of women who are criminally violent from dominating the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: percentage of women who aren't. And unlike with men. The
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: percentage of women who are not criminally violent are very
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: ill equipped to deal with their same sex compatriots who
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: are right. Men grow up learning to fight back, women
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: grow up learning to cry for help.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Well, consider any sexual species. I mean, there's an awful
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: lot of species in which the female is much bigger
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: than the male, But even they wouldn't quite be able
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: to resist without without the male. I mean, even imagine
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: an angler fish without the male. Yes, you would still
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: have the female anglerfish, the male being a tiny, little
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: wriggling guppy that only is exhumed up into the guts
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: of the female in the event of a mating situation
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: taking place. Even then, without the male, you would be
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: an asexual form of a best eukaryotic, single celled organism. Yeah,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: we can play this game to the nth degree. Like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: what would women be without men? It's the same as
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: what men would be without women. We'd be an asexual
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: species of bacteria. So it seems like a fucking moot point,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't it. It seems like a pointless argument. We happen
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: to exist in a sexual species. So let's see what
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: we could do to the best of our abilities with
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: a sexual species that happens to have males and females
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the the idea of total independence as far as
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: continuing the existence of the species is kind of silly.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But in terms of women claiming to be independent, I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: would say it's it's more than that, because, like I said,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: if if all the women in the world vanished right now, yeah,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the next generation would not be born. We're not quite
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: to the point where we can reproduce without like cloning
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: isn't quite there yet. But if all the men in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the world disappeared right now, women and girls would die
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: off in the next month due to lack of resources.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Everywhere that that is first world, probably everywhere that is
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Second world. Maybe the women of the third world would
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: serve five longer, maybe some of them into old age,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: because they have to, they have to be a little
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: bit more independent.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: Could you imagine how how much peace and quiet there
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: would be?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Holy shit if all the women in the world disappeared, Yes, yeah,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Yeah, well it'd be quieter if I disappeared.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that. That's horrible. But yeah, so
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: fear of losing independence, all right, it's it's bullshit. From
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the get go. Women are not independent women. When they
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: talk about this, they're saying fear of losing lack of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: responsibility to other people. So, for example, let's say I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: decide I'm going to visit family, and I'm going by myself, right,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: and my husband and I agree on this. I'm going
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: to drive the eighty mile distance to my nearest biological
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: family and visit with them and then come home. And
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be driving on internet Internet Interstate seventy five,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: which is also known as Drug Alley, and you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to the highway patrol and some other people going to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: be driving through an intersection in the Dayton metro area
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: called Malfunction Junction. And I've decided I'm going to do this.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: And the first thing that he might say is, well,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: why don't you take a different route, because if you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: take one of the back roads, you'll have less traffic.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: You want to have to go through Malfunction Junction. It
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: might take you a little longer to get there, but
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: it's safer, right. My responsibility to him is to do
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: my best to get home safe and sound, in one piece,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: with a vehicle that I didn't break in the process,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: because it's ours, it's not mine, and therefore I should listen,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: all right. That's what women mean when they say losing
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: their independence. They don't get to make all their choices themselves.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: They have to listen to somebody else's concerns and can
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: they have to consider the people around them, not having
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to have any consideration for their family, not being able
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: to get their own shit together, pay all their own bills,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: provide all their own things. They're still quite happy to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: rely on the male labor run infrastructure. They're still quite
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: happy to have all those little perks our society creates
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to boost women economically. They just they just don't want
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: to have to be responsible to their family, much less
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: responsible for their family. So when they say independence, what
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: they actually mean is freedom from responsibility, not to independence,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: but what they say here so naturally, the thought of
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: a marriage can sometimes feel like a threat to this
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: hard earned liberty. Yeah, you see, marriage is often sold
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: as a happily ever after package, which again, that's a mistake.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: Fucking fantasy that's been sold to you by Disney.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: And numerous other fucking corporations.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: Right, there's no such that doesn't fucking happen.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: You know, People think, oh, and this is.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: This is yet another problem that contributes to the rea
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 9: why the younger generations are having so much problems trying
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: to find a compatible mate and you know, get married
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: and settle down and have kids, right because this there's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 9: this idea that it has to be perfect.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Oh it's this fantasy. Oh he's gonna be six foot tall.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: You know, it's this.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: Idea of perfection that people are striving for that is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: just completely unrealistic, right, you know, you you should be
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: happy if you can find a person that you can
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: tolerate for most of the time that you have to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: spend together.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: I mean realistically, you know.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: If both of you are working, you're out of the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: house for eight nine hours, maybe ten twelve hours out
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: of the day, so.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't have to be burdened with.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 9: Their their oh my god, he doesn't pick up his bocks,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: you know, but for only so many hours out of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: the day.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: And it's it's really the.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: Attitude that you bring it to the relationship that determines
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: the tone and tenor of how good it goes, right,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: Because listen, Mike is I love him, but he's not
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: the best at washing dishes, you know, But if I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: want to if I were to hinge the entire relationship.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: Off of the fact that I don't like how well he.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Doesn't clean dishes. Well, then I would.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: Be throwing eight years of my life with this man away.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: And for what Because I don't want to dig in
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: my fields and do a little extra fucking work?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: What is that I don't And this is something that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 9: I'm find God, it's so far reaching.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, this even goes to like the employee, the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: new employees that.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: We have, they're all like twenty somethings. They don't want
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: to work. They want that paycheck though, you know, and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: it's just this lack of accountability is just the easiest
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: way to put it. But you know, they don't want
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: to put in the hard work.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: They just want to reap the rewards.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: Of showing up and saying I'm here, I'm crack crackaddy.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: I'm sure Lena get that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: No, that's not the fuck call. Yeah it works, that's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: not how you think. That's not how anything works. I mean,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know what everybody says.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: Anything worth having is worth putting in the effort to set.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Pain, and that right there has is just not and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: so many people and dare I say it's it's even
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: laws and people are of my generation, you know, but
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: it's it's.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Sad, it's so sad to see.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: How do you.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 10: How do you teach people that this is the way
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 10: to go when the path of.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Least existence is just so feeling for so many people?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I I.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: Don't love, I don't love, but.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no do it?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: That's so and none none of the women is mostly women,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: As I am going.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: To stick hid but out in the sane and say, yes,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: it's mostly women who.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: The younger women there the there to be young women,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: they're just girls because they're so just.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Mostally in.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Deficient.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 10: But you know, they're they're looking for the perfect situations
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 10: and there's no subten is perfect, especially when it cast
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 10: the relationships.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: It's it takes work, it takes effort, and not that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: a lot of young people, and most in women I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: or they.
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  Speaker 11: Just fail to you know, be proficient and even such
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: proficiencies because they they don't even care to try, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So who wouldn't want to show up for someone like that?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Who would want to show up and do their best? Stories?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Sudden one communities just like uh.
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  Speaker 5: Uh well.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe well you know, I it's beyond beyond beyond, you know,
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  Speaker 12: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Thing that I can.
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  Speaker 3: Even hope to find.
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  Speaker 4: Sis.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know how how deflis this.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: It is a difficult pick, you know it is. It
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: is a massively differenticault pick or and you're gonna have
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: to be you're getting more. It's I think the difficulty
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: is because you're on the phone, and you're probably using
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Wi Fi through the phone. It's uh, it's gonna be
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: experiencing interference from like every device in the house that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: can connect.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: But but even last week when I turned my Wi Fi
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: off and Mike was not here, so there weren't the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: the other devices, it's still I was still going to problems.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Well, well we'll still keep trying and and we'll just
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: do what we can. Uh.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: But so did they not hear my rant?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah they heard it, But they also it's you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: still sound like you still sound like a conversation between
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: red leader and gold leader. It's unfortunate. It's it started
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: out without that, and then over time it just starts
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: to do that. So you might have to you might
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: have to use Mike's microphone in order to avoid that.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: But the rant went through and it was great, and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: it is. It's an important thing. The the thing that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: needs to be fixed is women's attitude, all right. We
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: men are raised with the idea from boyhood of ladies. First,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: they already have by the time they're adults, unless they
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: are raised in a in a man desert and the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: only people around them are women, and the only male
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: role models they have are whoever their mother bitches about
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: the loudest. If they're just raised in a normal setting
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: where they do have male role models, they learn to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: compromise their interests in order to accommodate the interests of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: the people around them, and expect the same back from
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: other men. But they learn not to expect that from women,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: and they learn that women are not going to give
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: them that. And women, when they grow are growing up
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: as little girls, they don't learn to do the same thing.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: They don't learn to compromise their interests to accommodate the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: interests of the people around them. They learn that their
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: interests are the most important thing. They get to go first.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Any guy that wants to engage with them needs to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: earn their attention and their goodwill, but they should expect
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: his attention and his goodwill, and so they don't know
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: how to make relationships with men. They don't even make
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: good relationships with each other. And you can see that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: in lesbian relationships, where there is significantly more violence than
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: in heterosexual or gay relationships. It's very difficult to get
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: through to people if they haven't seen it. But girls
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: grow up not learning to be accountable to anyone and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: not learning to be accountable for themselves. So they do see, like,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you get married, you're the main character in the marriage,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: and your husband is supposed to be a supporting character.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: He's got a supporting role in your happiness. And that's
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: not a way to have a marriage. It's not a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: way to have a relationship. And when women are when
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: they're in these relationships and the man acts like a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: fully formed, real human being with his own interests and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: his own emotional responses to his circumstances and his experiences
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: and so on, they get upset with him for not
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: running their script, and over time they start to resent
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that they're expected to be accountable to their family,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and then they drop out. And eighty percent between sixty
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: nine and eighty percent, depending on which do you look at,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: of divorce is initiated by women, and most of it
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: isn't because he cheated or he hurt her or abused her,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: but because she's mad that he's not doing the dishes
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: as many times as I'm doing the dishes, or he
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't like all the same stuff that I like, or
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: he has friends like that's not he spends more time
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: with his friends than he spends with me, but just
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: he has friends that are not my friends, right, they're
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: his friends. And that that is why women don't get
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: help happily ever after. You want happily ever after. It's
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: a job. You have to make it happen every day.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Happiness is not something that falls on your head. Nobody
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: has ever been happy without working for it, without out uh,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: determining their own happiness, without deciding what they wanted and
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: how they were going to make it happen, or deciding
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: what to take satisfaction in.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 9: You can't find happiness when you're constantly a bitter bitch.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: You can't find happiness. It isn't something you find. You
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: make yourself happy. You you take satisfaction in things. Your
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: attitude determines your ability to be happy. Right and I'm
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: going to go to a lost common denominator example. I
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: grew up hearing all about you know, you got to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: have an exciting job. You gotta have a job that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: you're passionate about. And there's always going to be parts
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: of the job that are the ship tasks. You got
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: to deal with this in order to to achieve the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: whole job. They're not every task in every job. In
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: most jobs, not every task is exciting and fun, right.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: There's always grinding that you have to do. So I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: work as a direct support professional for intellectually disabled adults.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I take care of people who cannot take care of themselves,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and they're never going to be able to take care
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: of themselves. They need help from other people. And it's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: a very satisfying job because I have the attitude that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I want to help people. It's not a satisfying job
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: for somebody who wants to be famous and rich and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: looked up to by the masses and all that kind
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Nobody's going to build a statue of me
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: for taking care of some people who are completely disabled.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna do that, and I don't want that. I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: would be upset if somebody did do that I'm happy
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: because I found a purpose and I wrapped my sense
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: of self satisfaction and happiness in finding a purpose and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: serving that purpose and in serving other people. And that's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: why I am able to be happy in a job
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: like that. And you know, I could work in service
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: to other people for my whole career and be happy.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't have to make a ton of money. I
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: don't have to have champagne and caviat I don't have
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: to have a fancy car or any kind of you know,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: particularly fancy clothes or any I don't have to wear makeup.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I don't have to have people tell me I'm pretty
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: or any of that, and all of those things, all
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: of those needs, and what my happiness relies on. Those
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: are my choices. I chose to rest my happiness on
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: having that sense of purpose and providing service to others
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and see them benefit from it. And so when I'm
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: in somebody's house mopping their floor, and when I get done,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: the floor is clean, and I'm satisfied that it is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: the the level of cleanliness that it should be, that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I've achieved the goal of the task. And then when
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: the people that I'm taking care of are just and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: engage in their daily living in the rooms that I've mopped.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: They're not going to defeats, aren't going to stick to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: the floor. Uh, they're not going to get sick from,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: you know, something that shouldn't be there. I'm happy about that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: That makes me happy because I have chosen to take
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: satisfaction in that. I've chosen to not center my happiness
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: on admiration of me. I don't know how to explain
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: it other than the fact that you it's a conscious choice.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: You decide what you value and what's important when you
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: make important to you what you what you look at
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: as beneficial to your what you look at as fun.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I've never been tempted to use any kind of illegal
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: substance to alter my consciousness or my working of my
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: mind for fun. I don't even like to use any
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: kind of prescription substance to eliminate pain when I'm in pain.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: And it's again because I have chosen to look at
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: other things as fun. I'd rather sit and watch a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: movie sober and enjoy the experience and think about the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: creativity of the people involved, and follow the story. And
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: it's got to be a good story, though, right You
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: choose what you are going to value, You decide for
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: yourself what you're going to take satisfaction with. I think
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of women don't understand that, and it's why
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: they're always reaching for something else, something more, something bigger,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: something better, for someone else to fill that hole. That
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: hole exists because instead of making your own choices, instead
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: of independently deciding for yourself what you value and what
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: what what you want, what you what you choose to
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: enjoy and take satisfaction in, they're opening themselves up there,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: leaving it open ended. And because of that, they can't
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: take satisfaction in hearing their husband sit back and sigh
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: after a good, solid meal when he gets home from work.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: They can't. They can't feel good about all the dishes
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: are clean because I washed them and I got them
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: completely clean without thinking about, you know what, he didn't
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: They can't. They can't just be happy that they've achieved
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: what they set out to do. They have to have
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: somebody praise them for it, or they have to resent
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: somebody else for not doing it or not supporting them,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: or not this or not that, and it is.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: It's really is sorry, Sorry I did you hear me no, yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 9: And and I was going to add on to that,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 9: and and you know, being jealous of other people who
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 9: have that when they don't.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so happily ever after when they look for
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: happily ever after? Right, if you if you don't know
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: how to if you don't know how to shape your
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: own attitude, if you don't know how to find joy
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: or take joy from the little things in life, and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: from accomplishing something that makes somebody else happy, accomplished or
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: satisfied or comfortable, right from from sharing or being with
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: other people. If you don't know how to determine for
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: yourself how you're going to feel about these things. You
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: don't you don't know how to create happily ever after.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: And when times get difficult, instead of taking your partner's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: hand and saying, we we are going to get through this. Well,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: let's figure it out together, it's what are you going
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: to do about this? What are you going to do
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: for me? How are you going to solve this problem
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: for me? And that's when the marriage fails. You don't
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: have that, You don't you haven't built the intimacy, you
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: haven't built the cooperation, you haven't built the team that
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: your marriage is. You're not yoked. You can't be unequally
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: yoked because you're not even yoked. You're just two people
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: walking alongside each other part way through a field. And
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the minute that you run across a rock, instead of
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: taking his hand and saying we're going to move this
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: together and putting you or back into it, just as
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: much as you expect him to put his you step
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: aside and wait for him to move the rock, and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: if he can't do it by himself, you walk away.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: That is what is wrong with women today. Right, she's
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: not even going to get help for him, she's just leaving.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: So this woman says, Happily ever after, But in reality,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: it comes with certain expectations of roles, responsibilities, and shared decisions.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: This is a problem for women. Shared decisions in particular. Right,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: it stops being I want, and it starts being what's
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: best for us? What do we agree on? What do
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: we want? What do we need to compromise them? You
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: know on? And that's difficult for women. Not because women
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: aren't made capable of doing that, you know, they're not
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: that women are born with the same as little girls,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: with the same capability of learning that it's just that
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: they're not taught. So it goes on. These seem to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: be encoded in social norms subtly insisting on leaving chunks
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: of one's independence. Remember, independence actually means freedom from responsibility
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: when she writes it at the alter of marriage, So
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: leaving chunks of one's freedom from responsibility at the alter
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: of marriage. It makes much more sense when you read
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: it correctly. Combine that with stories of women who have
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: lost their identity post marriage, and the fear grows. That's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: another one, Like what does she mean by identity? That's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a big question. Are women supposed to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: like never grow and change through their whole lives? You're
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the the party girl before you you decide to settle
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: down with some guy, right, or you're the boss bitch
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: before deciding to settle down with some guy. Or what
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: are the other identities that that feminists like to suggest
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: we should never criticize.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Miss you wonder what happily ever happily ever after actually means? Yeah,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: who actually gets to live happily ever after? Because you know,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: not even the perfect marriage between and a man a
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: man and a woman ends at some point with the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: death of the man or the woman. So it's never
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: quite happily ever after, not like it is in the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: fairy tales. I think that's what they're talking about, by
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: the way they're talking about the fairy tales, like men
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: and women just happened, Well, something happens. Question about question,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: my question about profit. Any given individual man and woman
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: get to live happily forever after, and they never have
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: to think about the lifetime of struggles that happens after that,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: because that's not part of the fairy tale. That's part
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: of the romantic comedy that got them into that relationship
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: in the first place. It's never quite covered how they
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: like live a life together for the rest of that story.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: When you think about it. Boys are raised on on
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: tales where they earn happiness right the hero's journey. Yes,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: they're raised on tales where you have to go through
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: through hell to get to the point where you can
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: build happiness, and then you build it. It's not automatic
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: at the end, it's just now you have the opportunity.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Girls are raised on stories where they get rescued from
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: hell and happiness just happens for them afterward, and that
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: that teaches a complete contradiction in in expectations to the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: sexes when they're going to get married, And of course
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: what ends up happening out of it is that men,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: when they're married, they spend their whole life trying to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: make their wife happy, and women when they're married, they
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: spend their whole life expecting more, and no matter how
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: much more there is, it's never enough. That that lesson
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: creates a hole that can never be filled. And it's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: it's not a hole in your heart, it's a hole
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: in your head. It's really detrimental to both sexes. It doesn't,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even feminism does this all the time, and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: guynes centrism does this all the time. This can't even
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: really be blamed on exclusively on one or the other.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: It is so old and it's been around for so
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: long that it's it's hard to identify it. And yet
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: it's a hole in women's head that's been there for centuries.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, normies, when you see the general memes of normies,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: they blame it on Disney and pornography, like they blame
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Disney for making women wonder where their prince charming is,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: and they brame and they blame pornography for boys wondering
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: where their insatiable whore is. But I think the problem
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: predates both of these things. I think I think both
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Disney and pornography are reflections of we'll go ahead and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: call it romantic chivalry, shall we. It's different iterations of
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Which traces back to the thirteenth century.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, if not before that, Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Shout out to dinocentrism. By the way, if you want
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: to learn more about that goal.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Find yourself in your life.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Definitely. So if she goes on and says, for some
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: it might seem like a trade off between marriage and
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: they're valued independence, But again, smart women know this fear
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: isn't a blanket truth. It's more of a personal conflict
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that varies from person to person, much like every other
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: reason on our list. And there you have it, the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: first reason why women might be put off by marriage,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: the fear of losing independent. But let's keep our minds
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: and hearts open as we explore the rest of our list,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: shall we? And so she really hasn't She really hasn't
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: said much here. This is a listical so that's to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: be expected. But she did give us something in terms
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: of understanding women. Women don't use the words that mean
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  Speaker 1: the things they are trying to describe when they talk
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  Speaker 1: about things that you might be responsible for, like determining
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  Speaker 1: your your own happiness. Self determination is an aspect of independence.
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  Speaker 1: If you are paying your own bills, you do that
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  Speaker 1: generally speaking, by earning your own money. To earn your
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  Speaker 1: own money, you have to determine what you're what kind
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  Speaker 1: of work you're going to do, what you're good at,
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  Speaker 1: and what you can do, and what's needed that somebody
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  Speaker 1: will pay you to do, and you go out and
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  Speaker 1: do it and then you pay your bills. That's an
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  Speaker 1: aspect of independence. But when women talk about independence, they
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  Speaker 1: are more often referring to freedom of movement, right, freedom
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  Speaker 1: to determine things they want to do for themselves, not
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  Speaker 1: things they want to do for other people. And that's
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Then she goes on to cite struggles with commitment.
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  Speaker 1: Now we get told all the time, right, men won't commit.
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  Speaker 1: Men are the ones that never, never want to settle down.
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  Speaker 1: Men are the ones that get cold feet at the
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  Speaker 1: altar and so on, as if they don't have reasons
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  Speaker 1: like the fact that the law doesn't support them. If
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  Speaker 1: after the altar, after the marriage certificate, is signed, they
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  Speaker 1: the wife abandons the marriage, the law doesn't support him.
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  Speaker 1: So at his end, he's making a commitment, but at
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  Speaker 1: her end she may may not be. But this is
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  Speaker 1: interesting struggles with commitment. So if women take the marriage
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  Speaker 1: commitment seriously, which they should, but many don't, this might
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Another reason, she says, as I've learned from
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  Speaker 1: my own journey, stems from the apprehension over the whole
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  Speaker 1: till death do us part concept. During my twenties, I
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  Speaker 1: had some deep seated fears about being tied to just
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  Speaker 1: one person for the rest of my life. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a pretty big commitment, right. The uncertainty of such
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  Speaker 1: a long term pledge was daunting. Plus I was in
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  Speaker 1: a constant state of self discovery and growth. That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a key clue as well, she goes, I remember
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  Speaker 1: wondering why or how could I possibly commit to someone
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  Speaker 1: when I was still figuring out who I was and
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  Speaker 1: where I wanted to be. So I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of women have this idea that that process stops when
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  Speaker 1: you become an adult, and you're not an adult till
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  Speaker 1: it stops. It doesn't, And when you get into a
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  Speaker 1: lifelong commitment with somebody. When you get married or you
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  Speaker 1: form a life partnership, it becomes a journey together. You
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  Speaker 1: are now together in your state of self discovery and growth.
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  Speaker 1: You discover each other and yourselves together, and you grow together,
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  Speaker 1: and you face the challenges that come with that together,
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  Speaker 1: and you help each other refine yourselves together. You learn
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  Speaker 1: from each other, you see things in each other that
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  Speaker 1: you admire. And self discovery. I hate that term in
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  Speaker 1: some ways because it makes it sound like you don't
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  Speaker 1: decide who you are and what kind of person you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be. It's fair to call it self discovery
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  Speaker 1: when you're learning about your own limits to your intelligence
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  Speaker 1: and your physical capabilities and stuff like that. Oh, my
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  Speaker 1: balance isn't good enough to handle walking a tightrope, and
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  Speaker 1: it would take a lot of work for me to
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  Speaker 1: get to the point where it's good enough for me
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  Speaker 1: to do that. Is that something that I think, would
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  Speaker 1: I value that I want to do? Am I passionate
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  Speaker 1: about this? You know, and and you then decide yes
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  Speaker 1: or no? All right, that's not self discovery. Self discovery
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  Speaker 1: is the part where you figure out what your limits
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  Speaker 1: are and what you might have to do if you
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  Speaker 1: decide to value that that task and you know that
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  Speaker 1: skill and develop it. But the other half is self refinement,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of women forget that part. Men grow up,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: boys grow up learning that they have to do that,
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  Speaker 1: that they're responsible for self refinement. They're not necessarily always
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  Speaker 1: given a name for it, right, Maybe they're told to
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  Speaker 1: get good. But you are building yourself brick by brick,
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  Speaker 1: each little characteristic, each little ethical determination, each moral, each value.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not discovery. That growth is an active process,
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  Speaker 1: not a passive process. It's the first thing that is
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  Speaker 1: undermining women's development into adults is that they think that
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  Speaker 1: life is a state of self discovery but not a
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  Speaker 1: state of self refinement. That growth, personal growth is somehow
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  Speaker 1: a passive process, not an active process. That you're not
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the process of sorting out what are good
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  Speaker 1: ideas and what are bad ideas for you and so on,
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  Speaker 1: determining what things you'll take responsibility for, in recognizing what
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  Speaker 1: things that you shouldn't or that you can't fulfill or
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  Speaker 1: won't you know fulfill, and so on. That's not showing
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  Speaker 1: me the name. There we go, So humans Humans VD.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty two sixty nine. So gave us five dollars in
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  Speaker 1: the special chat and said the biggest issue with marriage,
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  Speaker 1: first and foremost is big Daddy government tipping the scales
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  Speaker 1: and ensuring women have every risk, have very risk and
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  Speaker 1: gain for divorce. I think what you mean is very
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  Speaker 1: little risk. Okay, there we go, it says afterwards, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of gain. Sorry for the confusion, and yeah
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  Speaker 1: they do. They get cash and prizes in the divorce court,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: whereas men get punishment and shame. And it is incentivizing
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: divorce for women where men are expected to uphold their commitment.
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  Speaker 1: So she doesn't want to get married until she's perfect,
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  Speaker 1: that's a problem. Nobody's perfect. I felt like marriage might
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  Speaker 1: prevent me from becoming the full individual person version of
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  Speaker 1: myself that I was striving to be. Again, that is
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  Speaker 1: a terrible attitude. I don't know about everybody else that's married,
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  Speaker 1: but watching the successful marriages in my family, one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I figured out was that nobody becomes the
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  Speaker 1: full individual version of themselves that they're striving to be
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  Speaker 1: until they take responsibility for uh that the their partnership
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  Speaker 1: with another person. You as an individual that's that's not
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: in a relationship as an individual who's not even trying
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  Speaker 1: to be in a relationship, especially not a marriage. There's
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  Speaker 1: a degree of of sollipsism that that prevents you from
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  Speaker 1: developing aspects of yourself that only develop when you take
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for other people. Now, men are forced to do
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  Speaker 1: that even when they're single, to a degree that women
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: are not. They have anytime they leave their house, anytime
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  Speaker 1: they're in the workplace, and so on, they're expected to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: have consideration for the people around them. They have a
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: bigger level of accountability to the laws of their community,
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  Speaker 1: and they are expected to have a purpose in their community,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: or they're considered to be trash, disposable, not valued members
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: of the community, whereas women can be a lump on
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  Speaker 1: a bench and still be considered a valued member of
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  Speaker 1: the community because she's female, and so they don't have
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  Speaker 1: There's not a woman in the world who can develop
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  Speaker 1: to a fully formed adult without at least taking responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for a household and a family and having consideration for
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  Speaker 1: a partner and being able to engage in teamwork for
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: their household with that partner. But this woman thinks that
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  Speaker 1: she has to reach that point before she can get
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: a partner. Now, she says, I realize understandably that This
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  Speaker 1: might not echo with every woman's experience in marriage. Indeed
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  Speaker 1: can and for many it does encourage personal growth in
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: many ways. But for me back then, it was a
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  Speaker 1: significant reason that made me apprehensive about marriage. So there's
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  Speaker 1: reason number two, a struggle with commitment amidst self discovery.
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  Speaker 1: But every woman's journey is unique in there are more
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  Speaker 1: reasons to list on our list to unpack, and unpack
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: will next week because it's nine o'clock and I'm gonna
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop the show, but I'm going to interpret
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: for this woman again. So when she says struggles with commitment,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: the first one she said fear of losing independence, and
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: the second one was struggles with commitment. So number one
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: was actually fear of gaining responsibility and number two is
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: struggles with accountability. So I heard myself echo with somebody
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  Speaker 1: else getting ready to talk. I'm just checking my audio.
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  Speaker 1: Can you hear me? And we can hear you? You
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  Speaker 1: are out of roop? Yes? Yes, yes, So all right,
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  Speaker 1: well with that, then I don't.
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  Speaker 8: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason that I don't see any super
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  Speaker 1: Chow's is because I've got some sort of stupid ad
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  Speaker 1: over my discord. Let me see if I what the okay,
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  Speaker 1: there we go. All right, so we do have a
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  Speaker 1: super super chow. I just couldn't see it because Discord
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  Speaker 1: covered it with an ad. So Gary Thomas gave us
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  Speaker 1: five dollars at eight thirty. So it's about half an
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: hour ago, said Hannah. Just described the plot of why
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: the Last Man. The story is basically a virus kills
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the entirety of the male species, and every civilization on
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Earth falls apart. Was originally a comic book series that
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: got made into a one season TV show. That's perfect
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: one season because that's how long women would laugh. Accurate,
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  Speaker 1: you could predict how feminists reacted to it, given the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: stories premise outrage and condemnation. Oh yeah, I'm sure they were.
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  Speaker 1: They probably whined about it quite a bit. How dare you?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: How do you? I've had women argue with me on
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: X that the three percent of women workers in the
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: field of electricians and such could maintain the entire electrical
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: power grid for women after men all disappeared because they
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: are unrealistic and they have no idea how this ship works,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: so they think it's mostly automatic and the men aren't
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: doing any real work. You have no idea they're gonna
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: get all the HR ladies and train them into it.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I've been talking to it for about a half
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  Speaker 9: an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Don't understand what the problem is.
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  Speaker 5: It won't work.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. They try to train them, but their language
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  Speaker 1: is too aggressive. So the the entire training session breaks
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  Speaker 1: down into a meeting on what type of words you
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: could use to describe.
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  Speaker 3: Works.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I need to in Thistand so with that,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm kind of thank everybody for listening. We
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: will continue with the listical next week, and we might
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: go back and forth a little bit between the listical
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: the Remember this is this is what women are saying,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: all right when while they're saying that they're not having
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: babies because men are immature. Oh and we got a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: super chow in the regular chat, the the the horizontal chat.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Voltaire's puppet gave us five dollars or five GBP where
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: thatunds ah so way more than five dollars. Then closer
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: closer to ten said sound is sounding soundly. Now, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for that, and we will be back next week
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  Speaker 1: with more female bullshit to look at. Sorry, And that's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: and that's not a threat, that's a promise. That's a promise.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for listening. Thanks to my co hosts for
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: going over the bullshit with me. Sorry we could not
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: get Richard the Lionhearted in. We're going to try a
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: different way next week and see if we can get
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: him in as well, because I think he'll find this
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: amusing too. Thanks Brian for all the work you do
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: in the background, and everybody else who works background make
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: HBr talk happen. Good night, all got you.
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  Speaker 13: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 13: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to deal with,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 13: especially if you have like especially if you have like
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 13: a couple of dudes who have good memory. On top
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 13: of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked