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Bengals Booth Podcast: Future Is Ours · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The future is us to see. Addition,
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  Speaker 1: as I talked to Sports Illustrated senior writer Connor Orr
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  Speaker 1: about his bold predictions that the Bengals will win the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year with MVP quarterback Joe Burrow. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk to rookie receiver Charlie Jones about the origin
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  Speaker 1: of his Chuck Sizzle nickname, and then I'll introduce you
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  Speaker 1: to an unsung hero in turning the Bengals into Super
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  Speaker 1: since the Apple TV local radio option. Apple TV became
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  Speaker 1: the primary home of Major League Soccer this year. Every
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  Speaker 1: next decade, and Apple TV has added a feature that
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  Speaker 1: There's a little audio icon on the screen. You click that,
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  Speaker 1: or the home team's radio announcers. So, for everybody who
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  Speaker 1: here's hoping that Apple TV has pioneered a feature in
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  Speaker 1: its coverage of soccer that will soon make its way
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  Speaker 1: to the NFL. Now, let's get to my first guest.
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  Speaker 1: This week, Connor Or from Sports Illustrated came out with
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  Speaker 1: a list of one hundred bold predictions for the upcoming
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  Speaker 1: NFL season. Four of the one hundred involved the Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: including his pick of Cincinnati over San Francisco to win
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Connor, you have come out with one
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  Speaker 1: hundred bold predictions for the upcoming NFL season. Some are
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  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, most of them are pretty serious. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with number one, The Bengals will defeat the forty
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  Speaker 1: nine ers in Super Bowl fifty eight. How did you
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  Speaker 1: land on Cincinnati and San Francisco making it and then
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati winning the Lombardi So I.
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  Speaker 2: Think these two teams' best best in body. This trend
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  Speaker 2: that I've been seeing in not just football, but in
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  Speaker 2: sports as a whole, and that is, if you're aligned
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  Speaker 2: with organizationally, with your coaching staff, with your scouting staff,
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  Speaker 2: with your training staff, with everything, you tend to have
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  Speaker 2: a hidden depth or a hidden quality of talent that
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  Speaker 2: is just better than other people. And I think Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: and San Francisco are two teams that to me are
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  Speaker 2: sort of your ideal, ideally set up organizations, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: especially with the Bengals. You know everyone will make fun of, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they only had X number of scouts a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago, right, But with that creates an intimacy that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't exist in other departments between your scouting staff and
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  Speaker 2: your coaching staff. And I can confidently say that, let's
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  Speaker 2: see they get hit with a big wave of injuries,
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  Speaker 2: I think that they have better players that we don't
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  Speaker 2: know about than other teams would have in similar situations,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. And forty nine ers similarly, right,
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  Speaker 2: they blow you away with their depth and there you
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  Speaker 2: know their caliber of player from one to fifty two,
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  Speaker 2: And so I think through the rigors of a season
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  Speaker 2: that ends up meaning a great deal.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think of the Bengals' free agent moves
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, specifically landing Orlando Brown junior and then their
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  Speaker 1: draft class led by Miles Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it has you know, to me, it's funny
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  Speaker 2: right where you know it takes time for an organization
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  Speaker 2: to shake whatever you want to call it. You know
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  Speaker 2: that automatic thought that people have that comes with it,
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  Speaker 2: and you know people don't consider the fact that since
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  Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's been there, I think they've been a top
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  Speaker 2: five free agents spending team almost every season, and the
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  Speaker 2: commitment with which they've stood behind Burrow and done moves
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  Speaker 2: I think specifically to be like, we're here to make
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  Speaker 2: your life easier. It's just different, you know, and you
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  Speaker 2: know you see that that's how the good franchises are
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  Speaker 2: doing it. And so I think any time that you
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  Speaker 2: can use free agency to profess your faith in your quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: I think that all rolls downhill. I mean That's why
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  Speaker 2: I was so happy with what the Bears did this
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  Speaker 2: offseason too, because I think they're starting that the process
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  Speaker 2: from the ground up, right, and whereas Cincinnati has sort
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  Speaker 2: of embodied that at least over the last few years.
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  Speaker 1: We are chatting with Sports Illustrated senior writer Connor or
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  Speaker 1: So prediction number one Bengals over forty nine ers in
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl go right to prediction number one hundred
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  Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow will win his first MVP Award. Now
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas, the top three guys in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: odds are Burrow, Mahomes, and Alan not necessarily in that order.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not a wildly bold prediction, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: intrigued by the sentence Joe Burrow will win his first
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  Speaker 1: MVP Award, implying that there might be multiple MVPs in
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  Speaker 1: his career. How boldly do you consider this prediction that
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is going to be this year's MVP.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought that was kind of one
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  Speaker 2: of the easier ones. And you know, I guess as
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  Speaker 2: somebody who does you know who has to do one
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  Speaker 2: hundred predictions, right, you know, you don't want them to
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  Speaker 2: all be chalky and It's easy to say that Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes is going to win the MVP Award, But I
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  Speaker 2: think that there's a couple of factors in there too,
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  Speaker 2: where just like Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, there becomes
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  Speaker 2: a fatigue with certain players who are so great over
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  Speaker 2: certain periods of time, Whereas Burrow I think still has
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  Speaker 2: that element for voters that if he has a big
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  Speaker 2: season and they make it to the Super Bowl and
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  Speaker 2: they win the Super Bowl. I think that's something that
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  Speaker 2: you know, is easier for us to accept as sort
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  Speaker 2: of the voting public. It's like, Okay, here's the new guy,
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  Speaker 2: here's the next whatever whatever, and so yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll be the first of many. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've you know, I did the SI cover story on
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  Speaker 2: him last year for the Football Preview issue, and I've
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  Speaker 2: always said, like I mean, and other people backed this
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  Speaker 2: up in the story, like he's the closest thing we
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  Speaker 2: have to a sort of long term talent in the league,
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  Speaker 2: Like somebody that will be able to play the game
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  Speaker 2: the way that he is now when he's forty years old,
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  Speaker 2: and if he wants to keep doing it that way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can have a lot of success in
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  Speaker 2: between there. He's functionally mobile, he's smart, he's committed determine
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  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So I feel like this
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  Speaker 2: could be the first of a handful.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. You came to Cincinnati to do that cover
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  Speaker 1: story last year. Joe doesn't do a ton of interviews,
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  Speaker 1: one on one interviews other than the news conferences that
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  Speaker 1: he has to do as an NFL quarterback. What were
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  Speaker 1: some of your big takeaways from spending one on one
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  Speaker 1: time with Joe?
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  Speaker 2: Just how you know, and it's such a cliche, but
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  Speaker 2: what you see is what you get kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and kind of how just you know, there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't anything guarded, There wasn't anything dishonest. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think with certain players, you can certainly tell that they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to get something across to you. There's a message,
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  Speaker 2: there's a point to why you're there or why you've
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  Speaker 2: been invited there. With Joe, I mean, you know, his
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  Speaker 2: day probably would have been a whole lot better if
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  Speaker 2: we didn't have if he didn't have to do it
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  Speaker 2: at all, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, But within that, I thought that there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of you know.
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  Speaker 2: Mutual respect, you know, respectful of my time, which is
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting older. It's rare, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: but and just this mutual consideration. I'm not someone that's
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  Speaker 2: in there to ruin his day. We can have a
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  Speaker 2: fun conversation and we can talk about things that really
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  Speaker 2: matter to him in life, and you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be honest about it.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I just thought just.
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  Speaker 2: Different, very very down to earth, very you know, the
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  Speaker 2: kind of person that you could bump into and if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know he was Joe Burrow, just to have
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  Speaker 2: a really nice you know, have a beer with him.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: We're chatting with Connor Or from Sports Illustrated. You can
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  Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at connor Or. The cover story
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  Speaker 1: on Burrow wasn't just about Burrow. There was plenty of
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  Speaker 1: other Bengals stuff in there, including some great stuff about
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  Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and his wife and how much they love
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  Speaker 1: working and living in Cincinnati. There was a great anecdote
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  Speaker 1: in there about Zach Taylor dropping the kids off at
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  Speaker 1: school the morning after the AFC Championship went over Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years, they get home at two in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, He's up at six to take his kids
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  Speaker 1: to school. Did it stand out to you how good
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  Speaker 1: of a fit Zach Taylor is in Cincinnati and with
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals organization.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, some of my best friends live
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  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. There was a chance that I would have
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  Speaker 2: worked in Cincinnati earlier in my career, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you talk to people from there and you talk
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  Speaker 2: to people who live there, it's just sort of that
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  Speaker 2: expectation like this is how this community is, and it
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  Speaker 2: just sort of brings you in, it sort of embraces
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  Speaker 2: you as long as you love it back, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. If you know, it takes a certain
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  Speaker 2: kind of person to love I think Cincinnati, but if
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  Speaker 2: you do, it is you know, it's it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a heaven on Earth kind of place. And with Zach,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's funny to hear his wife
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  Speaker 2: tell the story about like how we just knew that
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  Speaker 2: this is where we always want it to be and
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  Speaker 2: to be so definitive about that, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason why this has worked.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's part of the reason that Mike Brown
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  Speaker 2: was you know, patient with him, you know, and after
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  Speaker 2: two of those first two seasons, you could see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of guy owners moving on at that point, and
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  Speaker 2: it's fostered this sort of really good relationship, and not
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  Speaker 2: every coach has that where you're comfortable and you can
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  Speaker 2: exist in a city like Zach Taylor can exist in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to your one hundred bold predictions. Prediction
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  Speaker 1: number ninety three, Joe Burrow will do something cool with
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  Speaker 1: his contract so that the Bengals can re sign all
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  Speaker 1: of his wide receiver friends. Keeping Burrow, Chase, and Higgins
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  Speaker 1: is probably going to cost about one hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 1: a year going forward. It's a big chunk of the cap.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's feasible?
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  Speaker 2: I think anything is feasible within the salary cap. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a believer in what a lot of agents have told me.
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  Speaker 2: And granted this is agents right, and they want to
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  Speaker 2: be paid the commission to sign the player to the contract,
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  Speaker 2: but that the salary cap is ultimately sort of the
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  Speaker 2: best excuse that any GM or owner has in modern times, right.
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  Speaker 2: And there are teams who are willing to work around it,
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  Speaker 2: work through it, spend the money now whatever you know,
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  Speaker 2: however you want to structure, and there are teams that
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  Speaker 2: are less willing to do it. But I mean, nothing
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  Speaker 2: in the way that Cincinnati has acted over the last
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  Speaker 2: three years led me to believe that they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: save money here, you know, I mean, this is this
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  Speaker 2: is an investment for sure.
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  Speaker 1: What might something cool be?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are quarterbacks who come out and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying he's gonna do what Tom Brady did, certainly not.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the best quarterback, he's maybe one
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  Speaker 2: of the two or three best quarterbacks in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think you do have a responsibility to
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  Speaker 2: your peers into the players Association to reset the market there.
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  Speaker 2: But is there way that you can structure the contract,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's front loaded, backloaded, whether some of the you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of the guarantees fall in a certain kind of
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  Speaker 2: way where you create little pockets.
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  Speaker 3: Of available cash.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that there is and it's just a
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  Speaker 2: matter of you know, Joe, I think is unique because
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  Speaker 2: here's a guy who is from Ohio, who is committed
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  Speaker 2: to building this thing in Ohio. Nothing about anything that
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  Speaker 2: anyone around him has ever said leads me to believe
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  Speaker 2: that he wants to ever be anywhere else. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe your opinions or life can change in some in
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  Speaker 2: some different way over the course of time. But if
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  Speaker 2: you know you want to be somewhere for so long,
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  Speaker 2: I think certainly you can get creative with the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Patrick Mahomes signed a ten year deal and
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  Speaker 2: within that creates a lot of space for them to
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  Speaker 2: do different things.
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  Speaker 1: Bold prediction number ninety eight. Jamar Chase will win the
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  Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year award. It's safe to say
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  Speaker 1: you expect monster numbers from Jamar Chase this year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that we're going to be in one of
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  Speaker 2: those situations where defensively we're going to be in one
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  Speaker 2: of these years where it's year three maybe where you
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  Speaker 2: want to say it's sort of the Vic Fangio thing.
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  Speaker 2: And within that, I think there's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of evolutions defensively, And with that, I think you're
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  Speaker 2: going to see offenses start to struggle anew again. And
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  Speaker 2: when whenever you see kind of an offensive breakthrough, there's
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  Speaker 2: always a defensive counterbalance. And during those counterbalance years, you
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  Speaker 2: always see that ingrained relationships between quarterbacks and wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: end up doing really well. And these are guys who
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  Speaker 2: know each other, These are guys who understand each other
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  Speaker 2: really well, and I just think, you know that this
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  Speaker 2: could be one of those years where they have the
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  Speaker 2: ability to stand out.
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  Speaker 1: Non Bengals Bold Predictions. Do you think DeAndre Hopkins winds
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  Speaker 1: up in Cleveland?
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  Speaker 2: It's the only place that makes sense to me. And
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  Speaker 2: I know that you know he wants to play for
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Bills. That's great. Yeah, I do too.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would love I would love to be
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  Speaker 2: the head coach of the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that they don't want him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some interest there, But I think Cleveland
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  Speaker 2: probably has the most money, and I think Cleveland probably
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  Speaker 2: has the most interest in having Deshaun Watson be successful
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  Speaker 2: for myriad reasons, and so I think you should feel
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  Speaker 2: that responsibility to do whatever you can to make sure
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  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson is comfortable. And I don't think Amari Cooper
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  Speaker 2: and Donovan Peoples, Jones and Elijah Moore is really doing
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  Speaker 2: it for me as a wide receiver corps and I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if he feels the same way.
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  Speaker 1: You did not stack the AFC North in your one
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  Speaker 1: hundred Bold Predictions. But what do you think which of Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 1: and Cleveland is most likely to challenge Cincinnati for the crown.
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  Speaker 2: This is so hard. I think Baltimore is gonna have
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  Speaker 2: a really good seaton. I mean, this division is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a gauntlet, and it could be one of
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  Speaker 2: those I know it's a cop out when and I
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  Speaker 2: said this about the AFC West last year, so buyer beware,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it could be one of those things
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  Speaker 2: where the well in, the last place team in the
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  Speaker 2: division has nine wins, you know, And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that Baltimore, to me, is probably your second place
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  Speaker 2: team that's not so far behind, presuming that Lamar Jackson's healthy,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that that offense is going to look
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  Speaker 2: a lot different and sort of really cool and with
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  Speaker 2: with Munket in there. So but I like Pittsburgh a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and I've talked to a lot of people who really
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  Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: I think Kenny Pickett could break out my I.
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  Speaker 2: Would say the dividing line there would be I like
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  Speaker 2: Jackson a little bit more than I like Pickett, and
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  Speaker 2: so I have it I have That's how I would
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  Speaker 2: have it. I would have it Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: All right, final thing for Connor Or from Sports Illustrated
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  Speaker 1: Bold Prediction number ninety two, The love of your life
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  Speaker 1: will announce plans for a divorce midway through the second
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  Speaker 1: quarter of a Cardinals game. We happen to be doing
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  Speaker 1: this interview on my wedding anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: Is there something anniversary?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Is there something that you know
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  Speaker 1: that I should be worried about?
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  Speaker 3: Are the Cardinals on the schedule, because you got.
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  Speaker 1: To be Yeah, the Cardinals are on the Bengals schedule.
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  Speaker 1: It's a road game. I maybe I should bring Peg
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  Speaker 1: with me on that road trip, just make sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a good reminder for
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  Speaker 2: everyone out there to just take your significant other out
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  Speaker 2: and make sure they know you love them.
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  Speaker 3: But no, I would say that just in general.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you take your significant other to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Cardinals games, that's a hard lot in life,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so at some point you can.
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  Speaker 3: Think of it.
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  Speaker 1: Connor, I really enjoyed the one hundred Bold predictions. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: the ones about the Bengals will please my audience, since
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  Speaker 1: you are very high on Cincinnati and very high on
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and hopefully we will cross paths Super Bowl Week,
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  Speaker 1: when you are days away from seeing that prediction come true.
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  Speaker 2: Looking forward to it, and thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Some of Connor's one hundred bold predictions are tongue in cheek,
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  Speaker 1: including this one, number thirty four. A happily rowtunnd German Man,
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  Speaker 1: initially dressed as Andy Reid, will streak across the football
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  Speaker 1: field in Frankfurt's stadium wearing only a mustache. That sentence
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  Speaker 1: made me laugh, although the mental image is profoundly disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: rookies arrived in Cincinnati with a great nickname, Chuck Sizzle.
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  Speaker 1: That's what Purdue fans started calling wide receiver Charlie Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Last year. I talked to Charlie about the origin of
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  Speaker 1: the nickname and his chance encounter with a Bengals legend
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend. Chad Johnson tweeted a picture of the
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  Speaker 1: two of you over the weekend. How'd you meet?
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  Speaker 6: He was staying at the hotel that the rookies are
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: staying at and so I just ran into him, said
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  Speaker 6: what's up. Got to talk to him for a little bit,
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  Speaker 6: So it was cool.
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  Speaker 1: Are you old enough to really remember his Bengals career?
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Oh yeah. That was one of the guys
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: out that I've been, you know, watching as a kid.
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  Speaker 6: So it was cool to It's cool to get to
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  Speaker 6: meet him in person.
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  Speaker 1: He seemed excited about the possibility of you being with
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  Speaker 1: his former team.
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  Speaker 6: Did he express that Yeah, definitely, definitely. Like I said,
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  Speaker 6: I got talked for a little bit and he was
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  Speaker 6: excited and I was excited. So it was cool, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Explain the origin of Chuck Sizzle. Uh.
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  Speaker 6: It started my first game last year at Purdue Gus Johnson.
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  Speaker 6: We were playing Penn State and he just he just
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  Speaker 6: started calling me out of nowhere, and it's stuck all year.
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  Speaker 1: He loved saying it anytime he had a Purdue game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was over and over again. That was his thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I see the gear. Do friends and family members
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  Speaker 1: wear it? The shirt chuck Sizzel shirts and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they got a good amount of shirts. Did they
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  Speaker 6: wear it every once in a while?
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  Speaker 1: Have guys here started calling you that?
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  Speaker 6: Uh no, not really, No, not yet, not yet, not yet.
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  Speaker 1: We're visiting the Charlie Jones. You've got the number fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: that was your Purdue number. I think you were sixteen
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  Speaker 1: at Iowa. Do you feel like there's good mojo there?
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  Speaker 1: Were you happy to get it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I was happy to get it. Stick with the number.
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  Speaker 6: It grew on me last year, so I'm happy to
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  Speaker 6: be in it again.
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  Speaker 1: You reference that Perdue debut where Gus Johnson coined the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: nickname twelve catches one hundred and fifty something yards against
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  Speaker 1: Penn State. I believe how important was that game in
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  Speaker 1: your first game at Purdue to kind of establish all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to do some damage.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously it was a big
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  Speaker 6: game to begin with, and then kind of, like you said,
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  Speaker 6: just to prove that you know, I'm here, I'm a receiver.
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  Speaker 6: I can do this in this league, and that's that's
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  Speaker 6: really why I went to Purdue is to prove that.
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  Speaker 6: So to come out and start off like that was
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  Speaker 6: was was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: So your Purdue quarterback in childhood buddy Aiden is with
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders. Correct. You guys been in frequent contact during
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  Speaker 1: the OTA.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're both busy, so we've called a couple of
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  Speaker 6: each other a couple of times. But yeah, I'm very
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  Speaker 6: happy for him. Worked really hard to get here and
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: he's in a good, good situation.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost a year to the day since you transferred
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  Speaker 1: from Iowa to Purdue, and it's obviously worked out incredibly well.
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  Speaker 1: Do you reflect it all a year later about that
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  Speaker 1: life changing decision.
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  Speaker 6: Every once in a while, you know, I've been pretty busy,
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  Speaker 6: so it's don't really get to think on it too much.
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  Speaker 6: But but yeah, it's crazy that it was a difficult
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  Speaker 6: decision for me in the time, and looking back on it,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it's exactly why I made that decision to
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  Speaker 6: be in the situation i'm at now's you know, I'm
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  Speaker 6: just I'm just blessed to be in it.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been with t and Jamar for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks. Tyler Boyd join the festivities today. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the first two guys. Anything stand out from watching
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  Speaker 1: them and studying their practice habits.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, just just getting to watch the way they
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  Speaker 6: operate on a daily basis, whether I'm out, I'm on
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  Speaker 6: the field with them, or we're in the meeting room.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just just picking up little things, And that was
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  Speaker 6: that was my goal for you know, the first couple
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  Speaker 6: of weeks, just learn as much as I possibly can.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like that's going to be the goal of
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  Speaker 6: my whole careers. Every day I'm trying to learn, trying
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: to pick up new things and be in a room
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  Speaker 6: with guys like this who who who've been pretty established
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: has been has been awesome for me.
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  Speaker 1: And now the Tyler's here, that's a guy who plays
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  Speaker 1: a spot that you're likely to see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: snaps at. Will you really be focusing on the things
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that have made him so successful?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, just just trying to be a sponge and
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: just trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can.
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  Speaker 6: You know, see the way we worse for him, what
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  Speaker 6: he does that I can do, that's gonna work for me.
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  Speaker 6: So just really just being a student of the game
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  Speaker 6: and and trying to take what they do and add
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  Speaker 6: it to my toolbox.
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  Speaker 1: So we're chatting like forty five minutes after practice ended
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  Speaker 1: and you just walked into the locker room. Are you
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  Speaker 1: grinding well after practice stops?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely got a lot of things that need to
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  Speaker 6: work on.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I'm in the position I am today
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  Speaker 6: because of the hard work. So so that's not changing
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  Speaker 6: at all.
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  Speaker 1: What's Coach Walter's been like, it's.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Been awesome, just another guy to learn from, really really
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: breaks it down, makes it makes it simple for for
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: the new guys, and just really been helping us ever
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: since we we got drafted. He's been, you know, helping
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  Speaker 6: us the whole time. So it's been awesome being a
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: room and he's someone that's done it, you know, which
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: is awesome. So he's got a lot of knowledge, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: same thing with with the other guys in the room.
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  Speaker 6: Just been learning, taking new things.
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  Speaker 1: Apprecia your time, appreciate it. If Charlie has early success
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  Speaker 1: as a receiver and or return specialist, I suspect there
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  Speaker 1: will be a bunch of Chuck Sizzle merchandise out there.
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  Speaker 1: week is with Bengal's strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Joey has been in that role since Zach Taylor arrived
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and, like the Bengals head coach, Bose
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: was an outstanding college football player before getting into coaching.
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  Speaker 1: Joe your story is really interesting to me because before
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you got into strength and conditioning coaching, you had quite
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a playing career. You run back to back rose ball
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: winning teams at Wisconsin. You spent four years in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Canadian Football League. You were a CFL All Star. How
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: unusual are you among your peers in that sense.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know if I'm unusual. I was lucky
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  Speaker 4: when I was younger, you know, to go to the
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: University of Wisconsin, be around some great coaches and be
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: on some really good football teams. And then I was
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: one of those guys that wanted to play in the NFL.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: And maybe it was a step slow or a little
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: bit too small to do that.
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  Speaker 5: So I went up to the Canadian.
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  Speaker 4: Football League and played up there for you know, four years,
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  Speaker 4: And really, I think my experience as a player has helped.
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  Speaker 5: Me in the field of work I'm in.
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  Speaker 1: Now, were you in any NFL tryout camps? Did you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: get a shot with anybody? You know?
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  Speaker 4: I after my second year in the CFL, I mean
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the All Star team up there, and I had a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: couple you know, late now looking back at it, late December,
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  Speaker 4: early January workouts with teams, But no, I was never
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  Speaker 4: on an NFL roster.
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  Speaker 1: You played with Ron Daine when he won the Heisman Trophy.
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  Speaker 1: Who are some of the best guys you played with
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  Speaker 1: and against?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 4: With you know, Ron Daine was a great player. Chris
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Chambers was a wide receiver. He went in the second round.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: He was a really good pro for Miami. Jamar Fletcher
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  Speaker 4: was a year older than me, played corner. He won
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: the Jim Thorpe his junior year.
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  Speaker 5: He was a first round draft pick. Those are a
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: couple of skill guys that were really good.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Michael Bennett, the running back for Minnesota, played with Michael
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: for a year against you know, I was obviously Tom
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Brady was probably the best player.
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  Speaker 5: Looking back at it, it was his I guess it
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: was his senior year.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: He was split in time with a guy named Drew Henson,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and Drew Brees played against.
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  Speaker 5: Him a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Purdue?
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  Speaker 5: So I was in.
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  Speaker 4: That old you know, late nineties, Big ten, early two thousands.
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  Speaker 5: There's some good players that back then.
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  Speaker 1: I know you had seven picks in college. I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe that was the CFL. It's not seven picks somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: That might be a little generous generous, but I'll take seven.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Sure. That sounds good to me.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Did you get anybody good like Brady? Anybody stand up?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I had a scoop and score against Indiana, but I
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: think we're getting beat pretty bad that game.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Antoine Randall L maybe was a quarterback, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if I got any.
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  Speaker 5: Of those good guys.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Antoine Randall L gave the Bengals fits when he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steeler. But in any case, there visiting with
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Joey Bose. You're from southern California. How did you wind
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: up in Madison, Wisconsin?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I went to I was real lucky growing up.
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  Speaker 4: I went to Modern Day High School, which had a
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: tremendous still does, tremendous football program, great sports growing up
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  Speaker 4: in Orange County.
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  Speaker 5: There.
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  Speaker 4: I went to mad and got recruited by a couple
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  Speaker 4: of schools coming out, and after my junior year, Wisconsin
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  Speaker 4: offered me a scholarship and we took a summer trip
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  Speaker 4: going into my senior year there and really fell in
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  Speaker 4: love with the campus and the coaching staff and committed.
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  Speaker 4: I guess midway maybe November through my senior year, and
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  Speaker 4: I would do it all over again. I was very
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  Speaker 4: lucky to pick the University of Wisconsin. Anything stand out
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  Speaker 4: about those two Rose Bowl wins? You know, I was
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  Speaker 4: a young guy, was a true freshman my first year,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: so going back to California was big because when I
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: committed to Wisconsin, I had a lot of buddies and
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: friends around the neighborhood, you know, saying.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Why would you go to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: So I think our first year going back, we played Juicecla.
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  Speaker 4: That was gratifying, you know, to pick a school, and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: then I was a special teams kind of dying player.
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  Speaker 4: Then my second year, I was the nickel and we
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: actually played Troy Walters Stanford in the Rose Bowl and
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Troy was Blittan the cough winner.
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  Speaker 5: He was the big receiver. We had to stop that game.
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  Speaker 4: But I was very fortunate to be around some good players,
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  Speaker 4: some good coaches, and we were those first two years
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  Speaker 4: pretty good at Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: So I mentioned you went to the Canadian Football League.
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  Speaker 1: You were a Calgary Stampeder. Did you enjoy the CFL?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 4: It was fresh out of college. I probably wasn't ready
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: for the working world at that time, and so football
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: in sports was kind of all I knew, and I
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: was lucky I got on Calgary Stampede's.
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  Speaker 5: I played up there for four years. I had a
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: good time.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit different structure than the National Football League.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like now, but back then there.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't an off season.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: It was showed for training camp and if you were
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: in shape, you had a chance to make the team.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: But I had met some good people up there and
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: had a good experience.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's dad, Jimmy, famously played in the CFL. If
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you guys traded CFL stories.
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  Speaker 5: You know what.
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  Speaker 4: I did not know that, but now that I do,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: maybe i'll bring that up. I saw Jimmy, my brother
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: in law, is now the defense coordinator at Ohio You,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: and so we went up there for Easter and I
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: saw mister Burrow out of practice and we talked for
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously he's got a big legacy at Ohio You.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: So I didn't know he played.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: The cefalough now to discuss the Jimmy Burrow. So your
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: playing career ends, It's time to get a job in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the real world. Did I read correctly that you started
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: out selling cars?
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  Speaker 4: My father was in the car dealer business, and at
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: that time I kind of thought maybe that's what I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get into, So I started working for my dad.
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  Speaker 5: I worked there for three months and was miserable. Two
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  Speaker 5: and a half of those months, I realized I had.
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  Speaker 4: No passion for what my dad had a passion in
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  Speaker 4: and quickly realized that that something in athletics.
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  Speaker 5: Was the way I wanted to go.
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  Speaker 4: And so I went in and told my dad, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think this is working for me.
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  Speaker 5: He said, I thought you would have quit, you know,
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  Speaker 5: two months ago.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: So I got done with that, and then my brother
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in law was a defensive line coach at Importia State University,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and so I went there as the safety's coach and
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: assistant strength coach.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: As a GA.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I was there for one semester and then that summer
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I got a job at the University of Nebraska. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: that's really when my coaching career started.
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  Speaker 1: And is that when you met Zach.
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  Speaker 4: I did meet Zach that year. He was just getting
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: done playing. He was around for maybe the first three
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: or four weeks of the season, and then he went
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: to the CFL. And then the following year we both
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: went to Texas A and M University together.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are both kids at that point realistically,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: did did you think this guy is going places someday?
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  Speaker 5: You know, we hit it off right away.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: It was one of those guys that we had a
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: lot in common, whether we sports or football or whatever.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And so we hit it off. And then he went
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to the CFL. And then the next year he went
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: to Texas A and M as a graduate assistant, and
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I went there as an assistant strength coach, and two
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: young coaches that were Uh he was engaged at the time,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: but I was single. And we spent a lot of
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of weekends together and and you know, time.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Around the office. Uh, those are some good times at
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Texas A.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And now, how did you gravitate towards strength and conditioning
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: as opposed to being a secondary coach or a position coach.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought I wanted to be a secondary
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: coach when I when I first started in at Nebraska,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I was a kind of a they called it video
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: intern at the time.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: It was kind of like a quality control job.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: And I realized there very quickly that I spent all
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: my waking, like early in the morning or late at night.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: I was always in the weight room. Uh. I loved
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: the physical aspect of it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I did not enjoy, you know, the three hours of
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: breaking down tape or some of the analytics stuff that
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: these guys do as much as I thought I would,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: but I did realize I love the preparation of it
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and on.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: The field stuff.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: And so that's really when I realized that Nebraska that
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: hey maybe I'm in the wrong I in the right place,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: but in the wrong position. And then I went to
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  Speaker 4: Texas A and M. I was fortunate the guy, the
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Dave Kennedy, who was the head strength coach at the
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: University of Resk at the time, we happened to hit
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: it off when I was at Wisconsin, he was at
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Ohio State, and so I tend to be in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: weight room a lot during those days and we would,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: you know, talk, And so when he got the job
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: at Texas A and M, he had called me and said, Hey,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I think you'd be pretty good at this.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Come down.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I'll teach you what you don't know. And I was
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: very fortunate to get that opportunity.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: We're chatting with Bengals strength and conditioning coach Joey Bose.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: He went from Texas A and M to Fresno State,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: then Illinois and then you got a call from Zach
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to come to Cincinnati when he got the head coaching
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: job in twenty nineteen. Did you want an NFL gig?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Did you want to work with him. What appealed to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you about this job?
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: I think both. Obviously, you know, I knew what kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: of guy Zach was.
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  Speaker 4: I knew what kind of leader he was, and so
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  Speaker 4: when the opportunity to come work for him and to
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  Speaker 4: be a part of his staff came up, you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously I jumped at that. And you know, the National
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Football League is the top, the top, you know, level
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: of this field, and so as a young coach, when
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: I was at Fresno State or even Texas A and M,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I always thought what it would be like
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: to be in the National Football League and be around
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  Speaker 4: the most elite players on the planet. And so, like
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I said, when when Zach called me, I was very
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: very happy to jump on board.
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  Speaker 1: So you did an interview with my colleague Jeff Hobson
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  Speaker 1: shortly after taking the job for Bengals dot Com and
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you said, this is before you've worked with any of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the players or anything. You said, my job is to
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: help implement the culture that Zach Taylor is trying to implement,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: which now to me seems amazing that even before all
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of that talk of the Bengals culture had started, that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was your mission from day one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think knowing Zach for as long as I've
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: known him, I think that, like the word culture gets
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: thrown around a lot, which is kind of the energy
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: that he wanted in the building on a day to
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: day basis was important to him and something that that
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I feel is very important.
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  Speaker 5: And so I guess I did say that back back then.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, but.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: You know, I feel like now going into year five,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: we've really established what we do, how we do things,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: the energy that's in the building, and that starts with
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: the players that we have in the front office, the
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: guys that they brought in, the drafted or free agents,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: the guys that were already.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Here that are still here. And I'm just really fortunate
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: to be a part of it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Year one was tough. Year ones are often tough, But
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you started zero to eleven. How'd you get through it?
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  Speaker 5: Ah, that was tough. You know, I got a great family.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I got three little boys that when I would come home,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: you know, they weren't worried about winning a lot losing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: They just want to see Dad, And uh, you know
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: that that's a big part of it. And I think too,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: like knowing that eventually kind of seeing what's happening now,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Did I see what has happened?
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Probably not, you know, I thought we had.
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  Speaker 4: A chance to kind of break through and establish being
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: a good team. But we stayed the course and we
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: were very consistent in our approach and what we've done.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: You know, Year two wasn't much easier, you know, I
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: think we went two wins to four wins.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Uh And then obviously year three was a really big year.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: But we take a lot of pride in how we've
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: done things and the consistency that we've done it. And
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I think now we're seeing, you know, all that hard
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  Speaker 4: work payoff.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: A little bit.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Year three was a good year. That was an understatement.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: As you guys went to the Super Bowl, what was
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the highlight of that experience for you?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the playoffs. I think I think getting
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: to the playoffs and then and then winning that first
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: playoff game was I know, in this building was a
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: big deal, you know. And then you know, you're kind
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: of playing with house money after that, you know, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: then we go to Tennessee and last second kick, and
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I just remember vividly, like the locker room, the players
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: and how happy everybody was. I think those are the
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: memories when I close my eyes I think.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: About Let's talk a little bit about the current team.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is noticeably more well defined, I guess would
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: be my description of him just from being around these
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: OTA periods. Describe working with Joe Burrow.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Joe's great to work with. He is I've said this before.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: He's got an elite work ethic and which I don't
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: think you know. Everyone sees how great he is on Sundays,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: and he is, he's a superstar in the league.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: But the way he carries himself, his leadership, and then
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: his work ethic.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a guy that puts in the work
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: to be as good as he is in every aspect,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: whether it's in the weight room, whether it's his nutrition,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: his conditioning, his speed work. Joe really does put in
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: the work to be a great quarterback.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: He has a trainer that he's worked with for several years.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Everybody on this team has worked in college weight rooms,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of great strength coaches and things like that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: How do you deal with that at the NFL level
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: where these guys already have programs that have been successful
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it comes down to communication and the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: relationship that we have with the players and being able
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: to talk to them, Hey, what have you done over
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: the off season? What do you like doing, what do
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: you not like doing, explaining our program to them and
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: why we do what we do, and the players buying
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: has been really good, you know. And during the season
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: our job is to help make them feel as fast
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: and as fresh and as strong as they can on Sundays,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: and so far we've had a lot of success doing that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: At the NFL Combine, they measure speed with a forty
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: yard dash. How do you guys measure speed?
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: We use a catapult system to track our players during
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: player during practice, and that gives us a number on
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: how much distance they've run, how fast they're running. A
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: multitude of different data points that we can look at,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: but that's how we measure speed.
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  Speaker 5: And we have a Garrett Swanson, it's our sports science coach.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: He is always on a computer a practice, So if
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: you ever come to practice, he's on the computer with
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: a tablet in his hand, so we get instant feedback
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: of how fast or how well these guys are moving
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: during practice. That's how we track it during practice, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: then obviously how we communicate it during the week with
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: our players to make sure on Sunday we're moving good.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: In terms of brute strength, moving mass. Who is the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: strongest player on the.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Team I'm gonna get in trouble?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Feel free to name a few hurt anybody's feelings.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: DJ Readers at the top of the list, BJ Hills
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: at the top of the list, Ted Carris, Alex Kappa.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Those are just a few guys that I can name
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: that that are pretty pretty strong. We have a lot
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: of a lot of strong players.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: But those are just a few. And the fastest another
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: one that's gonna get me in trouble. Jamar's up there.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: T Higgins is up there, Cheetoh is up there, Cam
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Taylor Britt is up there. Tyson Anderson would be up there,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Dax Hill would be up there. There's a couple guys
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: that are battling for that twenty two mile an hour spot.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: And we've seen, you know, we've seen some really high
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: speeds over the years, but those are a handful.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: We got a really fast team right now, really fast.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And rookie DJ Turner is going to add his name
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to the list, I'm sure after running a four to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: two six forty at the combine. When he came into
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the building, I asked him, are you looking to put
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: on some weight get bigger? And he said, well, speed
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is my thing, not necessarily size. So how do you
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: balance questions like that?
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a great question. I don't want to
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: take away the trait that's got them here, right and
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: for him at speed, agility and how well he moves. Now,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: obviously we want to get him stronger along the way,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: and if we can put a little bit of size
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: on him, great, because we all know it's a physical
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: game that they're going to play on Sunday. But we
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: want to keep our you know, greyhounds, greyhounds, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: we want to keep our big guys big. We don't
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: want to try to take away the trait that makes them,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: you know, what they are. And so dj would be
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: a great example. He's not the biggest guy in the world,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: but he moves really well, and so we wouldn't want
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to do something in the weight room that would hinder
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: his ability to do what he does best.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You have some behemoths on an NFL roster, How do
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you determine ideal body weight for a guy that's that big.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: It's tough.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: You know. We got a lot of data over the
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: years of different guys and by position and what they weigh,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: and everyone's different, right, So you know, if you play
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: offensive line, you don't have to be three hundred and
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: thirty pounds, you know, but we would like to see
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: our O lignement three hundred plus depending on what position
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: they play in the O line obviously is another factor.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: And then where the player feels most comfortable and how
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: well do they move at that weight?
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Right, So bigger is better if they can move the same.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: So you know, I always say I never want to
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: put on size at the expense for how well they move.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: How we determine that, it's there's a number of things
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: we do.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: We do body fat calculations.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: And parameters by position, and we give all of our
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: players in a signed weight when they leave here for
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: the summertime and then they come back. But body weight
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: is something we track weekly here at the Bengals.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Is there an exercise or a test of some sort
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that you think is the best gauge of athleticism.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I'd say pull ups, you know, being able to being
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: able to handle your own body weight, right, And so
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: in my experience. You're you're talking about your fastest guys
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: are gonna be able to do the most pull ups generally.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Also to being able to handle your own body weight
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: is a big deal. There's a number of different exercise
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I'm a big single leg guy for their lower body, right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: and so we do a lot of split squats or
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: single leg stuff in the weight room to help, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: maximize their ability on the field.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Describe the meaning of FAT as in p H a.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: T physical hungry, accountable teammate. And so that's something that
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: we came up with the first first year here. That
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: was the first team meeting, I believe, was that what
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: is a Bengal physical, hungry, accountable teammate who was willing
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: to do anything to get the job done.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: And so you can see we put on the wall
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: in the weight room.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: The FAT acronym just kind of came if we weren't
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: thinking that at the beginning, but it's kind of turned
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: into that, and that's something that that our scouting department,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: our coaches, our strength staff, we put a premium on it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Guys, being physical, hungry, accountable teammate.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Your job has become very high tech. How do you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: keep up with the latest advancements in technology and analytics
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and everything else involved.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: You know, there is a lot of stuff. It's changed
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: tremendously since since when I played.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't have any of this stuff.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I'd even say in the last geez five seven five
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to seven years. It's it's really, you know, changed with
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the tracking units and what we can do with the
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Tendo units and stuff in the weight room. You know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: we are looking into all this stuff constantly, We're reading
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: about it constantly. But I also think you've got to
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: be able to trust your instincts and what you see
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: with your eyes and have some of the technology confirm that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: We don't want to go too far down the analytics
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: track where we're missing something right now in front of
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: our eyes. But it has been the Catapult system for
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: us has been tremendous for how we practice and giving
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: us a gauge of how hard a practice is for
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: our team.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Final thing for Bengal Strength and Conditioning coach Joey Bose,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I have a piece of a goal post from nineteen
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: ninety nine when the UC Bearcats were not very good.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, but they upset ninth ranked Wisconsin at Nippert Stadium.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Doug Rossfeld, who is Zach Taylor's right hand man with
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati starting center in that game, the fans stormed the field.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: They tore down the goal post. I got a chunk.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: What do you remember about that day at Nippert Stadium?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: If anything, it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Was not a good bus ride home. I know that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I know we we were. That was my sophomore year.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: We were ride and high and we came in maybe
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: it was week three or fours early in the season.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: I believe, And.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I just remember you guys, we just have any answers.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: It was like you were throwing to the little slot receiver.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Was there a Chapman or I don't remember yet there
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: was a Chapman, Okay, but yeah, it was not a
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: good bus right home.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: That was a I think that might have been our
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: only loss that season.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: You lost the next week against Michigan and then didn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: lose again. Okay, And that was your second Rose Bowl.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Year Cincinnati and Michigan.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It all turned out well and Ron Dane won the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Heisman that year.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that was a good year for us at
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: the end, but it didn't start so good.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Joey, this has been fun. Congratulations on your success today.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You've been a big reason why the Bengals have been
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: so good in recent years, and I look forward to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: chatting again down the road.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Thank you, Dan.
• 44:44
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