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Talks to Nathan Bottomley about his choice of Bad Wolf (1/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Hello, dear listener.
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  And welcome back to a hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife the only Doctor Who commentary podcast whose hosts
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  are each packing. A compact laser Deluxe which
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  might be why we're sitting so uncomfortably I'm Nathan, ah,
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  and I'm Joe. So Joe, what are we watching
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  today? I don't know.
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  But I really felt like I was never.
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  So, dove fly for a charity run. I felt that last line was
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  Untitled Star Trek projects, you know.
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  We've had a lot of this together now.
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  And what would you fix a question?
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  You've not, you've not appeared in my schedules for ages.
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  Where the hell have you been? Well, I did a briefing with
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  Steven be to talk about haunting ability audacity, but I mean,
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  we've been putting out a Star Trek episode a week, and I guess
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  that left a bit less time for hamster than we had hoped.
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  Then leave aisle criticisms of the chip.
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  No, are all around in that hole. I'll tell ya I can bring it up
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  here I'm back. But this is one like where I'm
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  watching. What is most of the time?
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  My favorite ever Doctor? Who story?
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  I think ever as in classic new ever mmm, certainly I think this
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  era is my favorite era. The Russell T, Davies era.
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  You know without question and I think I think that this is just
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  magnificent and just watching it not just the production values
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  and stuff but I get taken back to 2005.
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  And the thing that I think of is I'm at work in 2005 sitting in
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  the lunchroom. And someone says to me you look
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  really happy for some reason and I kind of think about it for a
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  second and say I think the only possible reason for that is the
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  talk to who is finally back on and it's It's good.
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  You know, it sounds crazy. Yeah, we got it.
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  Obviously, I mean, people will know because they'll be really
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  on their podcast catches, the we're doing bad wolf and parting
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  of the ways so the end of series 1 but this is like we made it
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  like the show was bad, it was good.
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  And then it built to an incredible climax like we could
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  never a fossil that it would be this Groot.
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  Yeah, yeah. And and you know that that it
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  would become the biggest thing on TV.
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  I think until Downton Abbey comes a lot along.
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  This is the biggest thing on British television and in this
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  episode it even encompasses other popular television
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  programs. The what is super cheeky.
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  It's like doctor who comes back on television and then starts to
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  take over television. You know, the Daleks are
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  secretly producing. Half of the favorite program.
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  Reducing your all of the reality TV out there Yeah, I do not at
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  all. Surprised.
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  Have you seen something? Yeah, well I I was a big fan of
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  the weakest link and we had a version of it in Australia where
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  and Robinson's role was played by Cornelia Francis who she was
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  Alf. Sister in the early years of
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  home and away. Oh my God!
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  She is a particularly terrifying.
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  A A lead actress who I think it was probably scarier than and
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  Robinson if you can believe such a thing.
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  So I really like that. I thought that was pretty good
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  and I liked What Not to Wear as well and I think I was watching
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  that at the time training suits. Are y'all gonna watch that my
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  call the Fatal mistakes that they point out, you know?
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  Yeah, no, I'm terrible. I'm terrible.
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  But I like it's that version of reality TV where someone lovely
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  and expert comes in and fixes you and you No.
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  It's like queer eye. Or where the Gordon Ramsay?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Or Gordon. Ramsey comes in and calls.
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  You a fucking idiot and then restaurant.
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  It's really good. This isn't it.
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  But the best. Wow.
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  That's that's a big statement, you know.
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  Well, you know, like I'm not, I'm not the person who has, you
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  know, rankings and spreadsheets and thing.
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  Like that. And so come to me on another day
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  and I'll say it's power of the dialects, or, or I'll say, it's
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  aliens of London because I'm like that, or maybe here you are
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  the Angels two-parter in series 5 or something like that.
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  But this, I think, you know, it has a really special place in my
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  heart. I think just because of, when it
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  appeared in the history of the show, Well I think we should go
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  ahead and watch the thing that don't you.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So like how the in like liking
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  someone title Star Trek project. All right, it's nice.
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  Five, four, three, two, one. And we're off, you know, we
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  don't know about those who very often you baby.
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  We talked so often on a podcast, but this is the easiest thing in
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  the world. I think, okay is elongate the
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  long term. So I remember going to a
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  friend's place and watching the long game and it was one of
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  those ones where, you know, every episode had to be
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  fantastic. And otherwise it was going to be
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  a real problem. And in retrospect I think the
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  long game is is fantastic because it's right, isn't it?
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  I think yeah. Only what?
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  Like, okay, this isn't quite a show you what's going on around
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  it but actually you go back and watch it.
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  There's quite a few layers there.
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  Yeah look at the cast. Look at, you know, the The
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  doctor does, his trick of inspiring, someone to solve the
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  problem, by doing her job correctly, the beautiful cathica
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  once or twice in series one Denis, but I think that's a good
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  thing that he's called the doctor.
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  It makes people better, it leads up to that bit part of the ways
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  where he has to make the choice. Yeah.
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  And then these are hundred years later is so so random and we had
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  big brother and we have an Australian version, Big Brother
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  that didn't have this music. So I didn't recognize this
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  Immediately and I didn't, I don't believe that.
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  I knew that this was going to be happening.
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  So I think browser. Yeah.
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  They usually die really Sinister way in this.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it means something.
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  Terrible's gonna happen. Oh, look at that terrible vacuum
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  form. Chair of the hand that hand.
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  Yeah, I don't know that. I want to sit on it like that.
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  Yes. That do you think that's
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  deliberate? The Daleks are producing this
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  after all. Hello.
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  You made it. Yeah.
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  So here's our first gay character in Doctor Who that's
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  not quite true. But, isn't his name, I remember,
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  she's strewed, isn't she? I can't remember his name.
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  Yeah. That's what we're all thinking a
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  hard, but yeah, it's Channel 4000 or forty four thousand or
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  something instead of channel for yeah. 44,000, please do not
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  swear it. So sure reference to swear.
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  Well, you know, do things that are style things.
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  I've loved it so much. Yeah.
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  Me too. It's got a lot of energy to it
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  music and visuals. Yeah and it is the sort of thing
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  you know, this version of Doctor Who isn't based so much on
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  doctor. Who as it is based on our
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  memories of Doctor Who and it. Like, I think that becomes very
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  important in episode 2 of this story where the Daleks are, how
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  we always imagined, they should be a not how they actually
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  appeared on TV and this, you know, we're traveling too fast
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  day of the Daleks is 3, he's such a great, Addison, Jason.
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  Roofs of, isn't he? He does loathsome really well.
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  I think have you seen him in Peep Show?
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  I think David Mitchell's character kind of falls in love
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  with him in Peepshow because he's so sexy and I think he can
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  be really sexy and of course you noted for the doxa.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  People used to mention him as a possibility, but here, he's
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  doing his best job of just being loathsome.
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  And he's not doing it yet, that which is really interesting,
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  like, He's being kind and sort of helping her because she's
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  waking up and like this just thrusting Us in made.
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  Our surveys Strider straight away.
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  You know, we have literally no idea how they end up in these TV
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  shows, and they're just love when they explain it.
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  And it's just tells you everything you need to know, you
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  know, and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Exposition done, right?
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  It's just throw us in the middle confuses.
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  Make this a mystery and not Moffat star mystery, he would
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  start at the beginning and then keep going.
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  I've been taken away by I, trust me, but this thing we recognize
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  sort of the visual language of the week, the state.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  And then it builds up to the ad and then the Android such a
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  shitty joke but who cares? And she's not Trinny and
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  Susannah robot, I've Got Fabulous cleavage, You Know,
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  Jack does fondle one of their breasts.
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  And again, like these are weird costumes, they're sort of
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  plasticky and stuff like that. I hated them.
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  Did you hear all the Russia's came in for these two parts,
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  right? And he was gonna love it.
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  I love it was marvelous. Fantastic.
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  And then, on the last day, when all the sets have been struck
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  down, this footage came in, he was like that.
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  Bitchy robots kind of terrible, aren't they?
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  I don't know if I should mention John Barrowman getting naked.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor old John.
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  He has been canceled, and kind of rightly.
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  So I belong to him. Being naked in create no, no, my
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  it. Yeah, and it is, it's funny.
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  Like it's a funny be State. Well, either jokes of like, you
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  know, guns coming out of exhaust and things like that.
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  But They actually took out the all shop, didn't they?
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  Yeah. Yeah so they can say it but we
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  can't see his butt crack. He's shy, I'll join us.
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  Okay, let's talk about living with why briefly.
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  So she's what soap is she in? She's famous now or more famous
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  now than she was. Then I have issues have been our
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  work. You never show you on it, your
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  name of theater. She's been in it.
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  So I mean you had Toby hey you know, con hamster, didn't you?
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  And he cared about her. As the unkillable character, she
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  absolutely can't be killed and Russell.
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  Like this is fun and funny but it's also kind of impossibly
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  Bleak this story like and at the end it's really very dark and we
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  see sort of an Unleashed Russell.
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  I think in things like midnight and love and monsters where he's
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  riding on his own, he's not writing, you know, like a big
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  two-parter, a big event story, he's just writing something.
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  You know, in the middle or towards the end of the season,
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  and he's really Bleak, and really miserable.
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  And there's this real tension between the big Jolly Russell.
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  Everything's marvelous marvelous, you know, and and
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  population. Yeah, yeah, Davis.
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  Yeah, well, I think I think that, you know, this doctor is
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  like Russell. I've said this before that both
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  of Russell's doctors are Russell in the sense that there's a deep
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  kind of dark cynicism at their Tha.
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  And then there's a jolliness that he's a facade.
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  Is this beautiful saying that? Was it like 5 Seconds like that
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  we know why there's like, you know, like I know face of evil,
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  the doctor would appear in the Big Brother house and hears his
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  ready-made companion, you know? And, yeah, episode.
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  She looks like she's being built up to be a compact.
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  Yeah, you can't kill her. She's gonna go off on adventures
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  with the doctor and then when the moment cups and we'll get
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  there, bloody hell, she's so adorable.
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  Like, she's so. Audibly lovable and so, real
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  even got food, try and do love a ball and like that, sometimes it
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  could be saccharin and just unbearable but she's just, it's
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  just right. I picture just right.
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  And look at that doctor here. It's like he liked him looking
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  out of the TV the way that that trout and does all the time or
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  you know him looking at a weird reflection like the the
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  marshaling in Armageddon fact. And look at that TV.
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  Holy crap. So he's the floor manager who
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  will have a big role in episode 2.
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  I think that this scene is absolutely fucking incredible.
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  This whole sequence is so good because she doesn't know what's
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  at stake at the beginning, but everyone else does and she's
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  kind of she thinks this Is as silly as long as the weakest
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  link and he studied its structure.
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  Yeah, it wasn't just like he goes, he goes, you know, you
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  think you just be able to write and if so do we think that that
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  would be really easy because he's absolutely structured that
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  quiz show. But look at, look at rise
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  compared to everyone else's think because it's not just the
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  structure like it's Is this sort of back and forth and stuff like
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  that. The questions are really well
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  designed to because some of them are playing.
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  Did you not hear talk to ya? Yeah, Torchwood gets mentioned.
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  Here it is. The great Cobalt pyramid is
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  built on the remains of which old Earth Institute and he
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  guessed wrong. The I stopped Galaxy is well,
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  yes, the oldest in happened to the ice of galaxies and it the
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  face of BOE. He gets it, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, Val's. But if you're shopping, this is
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  Charles to put all these little Easter eggs, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And look. Oh my God.
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  I love this. You know, this, this panel.
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  I don't even know if I get names.
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  I'll know. He does.
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  No, they don't. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Yeah. So, and I think they're really
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  well written as well. So, you know, they're here.
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  Why are they here? They're here as a sort of
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  Intriguing stuff, but they play a massive role in part 2 as
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  well. He's a child.
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  So John Barrowman to stretching, leave this Castle.
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  This man injected, a fuck. Ton of Charisma into Doctor Who
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  did. Yeah, we are used to having it
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  Doctor. Who no, no.
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  And like, like a male companion, who is like sexy and sell Of
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  confident like as that ever has there been a character in Doctor
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  Who before this is sexy and self-confident like it.
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  It's really good. So maybe maybe but like it look,
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  he just rubs her breasts there, which is pretty awesome.
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  Oh my God, it's like here where she goes.
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  Are you unemployed? You are unemployed you still got
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  tired but good but that's the thing.
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  I mean that's exactly what Days. You had trash people and she's
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  she's a little bit defensive, but she also thinks it's kind of
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  funny, like, look I reaction to it.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's just like she's just
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  sentences woman to death. And yes, I'm not saying, you
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  know, that's the game after all. Yeah.
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  What have I mean? She's such a bitch.
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  Oh, bitch is so good. Holy shit.
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  This is a tiny, tiny part and it's so brilliant and we still
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  don't know. No, do not have been a now she's
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  begging and that's the thing. Like, that's the point at which
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  we realize that something's wrong because that never
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  happens, you know, like the please please help me.
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  And this like in Rose can't quite get.
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  It's so good. Of course I can look her in the
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  eye. Yeah.
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  Android was gonna spit the laser of her mouth.
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  That's where we're bad. Oh my God.
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  This is, oh my God. This is illegal.
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  It's actually so ridiculous. Michael.
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  And yet is so Sinister the way, he's yeah, yeah.
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  I'll totally very different and yeah, I think he's incredible in
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  every single one. Oh yeah, yet.
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  No, he's the star of this season.
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  The way the Graham Harper is the star of the next season, I
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  think, Do not worry about who exactly the same thing.
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  But big brother the doctor sit there go well that worried she's
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  going to release an exercise video.
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  It's the thing that has to happen.
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  We have three separate plots. And so the same reveal has to
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  happen in three successive scenes in the plot.
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  So we see, but Jack doesn't see that they're going to sort of,
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  carbon me to pieces with big scissors, and chain, saws and
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  stuff. Then we see there, we see Fitch
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  being disintegrated. And now, we see poor old strewed
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  was A cross B. You know whose cross because
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  he's crossed be 90s. Probably screwed.
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  So it's true. The gay one.
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  They do where they make the arch by the door and she goes.
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  Yeah, there are. But that's here comes a chopper
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  to chop off your head. Isn't it?
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  Like, is that chip chop? The Last Man is dead.
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  Yeah, so it's Crosby and strewed is the terrible gay one there,
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  which is pretty great trick. Was it done all over the walls?
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  Sorry, I'm late. Yeah, yeah.
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  But I mean, that's what they do in the Big Brother house, isn't
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  it? It's like, it's The finger
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  painting Challenge and some bullshit.
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  And you say, well these are we, here is when Davina goes and
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  then we're going to get you because she loves say that,
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  doesn't she? She says we'll get you and it's
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  kind of like we'll get you out but it we repurpose that as
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  Sinister. It's so good.
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  I mean there is something a bit Sinister about reality TV
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  watching people's lives in this level of detail.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, you know, we used to
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  quiz game shows, we had a thing called the Great Temptation here
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  and then a thing called sale of the century and even like the
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  chase, which is just a game show where, you know, people get
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  asked questions and win money or whatever.
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  But the thing about the weakest link was people voted each other
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  off tactically. And so they had to fight one
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  another and they had to say nasty, Things about one another,
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  they're encouraged to do that. And, you know, so the that dark
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  and I think that, you know, Russell doesn't come from a
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  place where he has contempt for these shows at more.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Like Russell loves television. Fuck.
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  Yep. There goes cross B.
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  Doesn't he go? The doctor goes.
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  It's a Charlie house. Yeah, yeah.
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  But this is him just suddenly realizing it and she said,
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  Brother sex. Yeah, yeah, executed.
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  She goes, but it's not like it was.
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  They used to be loads more and, and we, and Drew drops his kind
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  of PC game. A acting is just like genuinely
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  overcome with emotion. It's really good.
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  Like it's so good. The moment we know that really
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  gets me is when he realizes, is he died that trout and things.
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  Skipping out the story at the end when he thinks the problem
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  is dealt with and then 100 years later because of what he did.
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  Has all transpired, all these people up though.
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  I don't been turned into dialects and that is one of the
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  bleakest smoke Notions in this, you know, is everything the
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  doctors fault because of when he chose to go.
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  Yeah, yeah. So what happened to these your
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  this the the controller? It's so good.
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  It's so genius. I mean it's really simple.
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  It's not just like sort of those wires.
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  Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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  And there's sort of like UV light or something.
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  It's because it's quite simple. I think they do something.
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  Yeah. A more sort of visually
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  spectacular but I like us of with Yeah.
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  And so these this is sort of a lisent it where you're just
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  chosen randomly by transmat new end up in the quiz shows and
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  your killed for his office. He went no it starts to talk
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  about all the ground Falls where you get turned into compost so
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  much. It's so good.
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  He's kind of like my the doctor and said, you look, I'm coming
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  for you. It's Chris Brown.
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  Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. It's so old armored.
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  That's not a good look. I was tennis whites.
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  No, no terrible. Where were you hiding?
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  So what does he do? He does five five episodes this
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  season like is in the last half of the Season he does the to the
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  Moffitt two-parter Boom Town, which is brilliant and decided
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  these two paying time, which is heal her operation.
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  Is that God? It's good.
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  It's really really properly good.
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  And it's one of those things where we get to just rest and
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  hang out with the characters and we have a very minimal mystery
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  but it's basically like the scenes between rows and Mickey
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  in that episode are so brilliant.
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  So apparently getting in 20 Susanna and Robinson and Davina.
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  It was all last minute and it was all Joe a Just go and
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  challenge kowalska. Let's just say well, do like yes
• 23:42
  we're trusting is they? They didn't have to give like
• 23:48
  Great Performances and yet they're very shy.
• 23:51
  Yeah, you know, where are you hiding back?
• 23:56
  There goes Colleen. Oh here we go.
• 23:59
  Starting to show his colors. I want to be applicants to
• 24:01
  Define. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:05
  I mean, he's really really quite horrible in the Next episode, he
• 24:08
  goes full Karen anything in the next episode, but here, I think,
• 24:13
  I think I great. Where is go.
• 24:14
  Where's my money? And then it was a dollar?
• 24:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, snarling, isn't it?
• 24:22
  He's really obnoxious and he's got those sort of sharp looking
• 24:26
  teeth or something. He's really good-looking.
• 24:28
  Oh, here we go. Look the culmination of that
• 24:30
  wall throughout the season. Yeah.
• 24:33
  And so it turns out, it's from a nursery rhyme.
• 24:37
  I'm yeah, big bad wolf. Yeah, which we knew and it gets
• 24:42
  mentioned over and over again and the big bad wolf.
• 24:46
  I thought, I think at the time when we watch the unquiet dead,
• 24:50
  when Gwyneth looks at Rose and sees the big bad wolf that it's
• 24:56
  about the doctor and then and then bad wolf gets sprayed on
• 24:59
  the Tardis. You know, is he the bad wolf?
• 25:01
  Taking this innocent girl somewhere and we've already been
• 25:05
  primed by episode one to consider him as potentially.
• 25:07
  He dangerous and he's wearing the dark jacket and all of that.
• 25:10
  And then to discovered her since Doctor Who came off TV,
• 25:15
  obviously there are whole landscape of television has
• 25:17
  changed. We've got into our base Seasons,
• 25:20
  where the things I lifted about Rusty Davis is so plugged into
• 25:23
  that, he's watched Buffy and all this stuff and he knows exactly
• 25:26
  what he's doing and the speculation of what man, those
• 25:30
  forums where literally goes so huge.
• 25:33
  We'd never had that, you know, know and this is what I think.
• 25:37
  Couple of seasons of maybe best it coming up.
• 25:41
  Yeah but I think the it was never more exciting because it
• 25:45
  yes, that's right. I think the Arc in series 3 is
• 25:48
  the best one. I think it's you know, easily
• 25:51
  the best one where the end of the night is huh, but the end of
• 25:56
  episode 11, the master travels back in time to the end of
• 26:01
  Series 2. And yeah, that's you know, like
• 26:04
  it's so cleverly done here here. Yeah, here it's a little light
• 26:09
  but it is the same thing with an event in its lies except causes
• 26:15
  he's introducing the idea of this.
• 26:17
  Yeah, right. And going all to the Warriors
• 26:20
  enough series and it was enough. I remember people get very
• 26:23
  excited when it came to that being bad.
• 26:25
  Sorry, good. Great, Boon town, where is Sun?
• 26:29
  Yo, they suddenly made us aware of all the references that here,
• 26:33
  you know. Okay.
• 26:34
  This is building to something. We know where it's going.
• 26:36
  This very exciting and then You see, bad wolf right on the wall,
• 26:41
  you li. Are we here?
• 26:42
  You know what? I think there's a bit of Moffitt
• 26:45
  re here because I think that the bad wolf thing, the main creates
• 26:51
  itself like she keeps hearing the words bad wolf.
• 26:54
  And so then she takes the name of bad wolf, this thing and
• 27:00
  sends it back in time again. So it doesn't have a cause or
• 27:03
  maybe the Daleks cause it. I mean, I think bad wolf works.
• 27:07
  In the context of the long game because it's about media and we
• 27:13
  think Fox, you know as one of the great evil media kind of
• 27:17
  companies in the entire world and so bad wolf is just like Fox
• 27:22
  you know but otherwise it just has no cause does it.
• 27:26
  She she causes a life. You know I love how cheekily
• 27:30
  just as a take that side and just wave it off into time and
• 27:33
  space. That's enough to explain why
• 27:36
  we've seen it all but Ivan spice, man, honestly, He's Got
• 27:43
  His Wish talking about all the other reality TV shows.
• 27:47
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 27:48
  But we're getting to the point where, you know, like now he has
• 27:54
  some idea of the scale of this. I think how about where you got?
• 27:58
  30 seconds, stop the bomb going off, I called my bluff with
• 28:03
  railguns literally blind it but it's the one it's bare with me.
• 28:11
  That's my favorite. Favorite one, you Bear with me
• 28:13
  with a bag and see the path. We found me a share emotions as
• 28:17
  well. There's a chemistry this bad
• 28:23
  then when you are using it, okay, bitches?
• 28:26
  So yeah, absolutely honey, Russell tell ya.
• 28:41
  But that thing, you know, who, Who are you?
• 28:43
  Dr. It doesn't matter. Like like, you know, before the
• 28:49
  show had so much law back, you know, like when when it was
• 28:55
  simple, when it didn't matter who the doctor was.
• 28:58
  And now, of course it's got, you know, so Central to the show,
• 29:03
  but it's happier times, I think, you know, where maybe things
• 29:06
  don't come back, who know, is there hasn't been a lot in here
• 29:09
  from the old series? You never another thing I really
• 29:13
  Thrush Davis. I think it's like a detail about
• 29:15
  a character that we never forget.
• 29:17
  You would never ever say leader. You will always say like sailing
• 29:20
  with the y-yeah. Yeah, it's like other other day
• 29:24
  silence. All right.
• 29:27
  Yeah, so brilliant. It is the sign.
• 29:32
  So hang on. So so this controller woman
• 29:34
  right? Help me out.
• 29:35
  So she has pulled the doctor and that out because she wants to
• 29:38
  bring down the Daleks, right? She, she put them in the game.
• 29:43
  Ames in order to bring down the Daleks.
• 29:45
  Yeah yeah yeah. So she has a triangular wave
• 29:48
  isn't shoes. Yeah.
• 29:50
  Randy. He's stolen from from
• 29:54
  remembrance of the Daleks here to she was.
• 29:56
  He used as a child it was gross when when she gets things all
• 30:05
  over her body, do you know? Also the other thing that is
• 30:10
  just brilliant is the decision to not have people.
• 30:13
  We're space clothes in this. Like it's like you suggested to
• 30:18
  me that this would not be improved by the outside Panthers
• 30:21
  of the season of death. Yeah, yeah, it's so good.
• 30:25
  Like he's wearing, he's just wearing sort of a cheap shirt
• 30:30
  and a tie, you know, like it. And like, they're all just
• 30:35
  recognizable and like, this is absolutely 2005, you know?
• 30:40
  But it should be, I think, you know, It really just had this
• 30:44
  conversation before everyone else.
• 30:46
  Yeah. It's very 2005, isn't it?
• 30:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:57
  Of course they're going to get Barrowman.
• 30:58
  The biggest gun. Oh my look at the size of that
• 31:03
  thing honestly. So, the whole tone of the piece
• 31:09
  changes now, doesn't it, we've had all of our fun with reality
• 31:12
  TV and it's gotten Source, steadily more Insidious.
• 31:16
  Yeah, that's right, that's it. That's exactly. and now, it was,
• 31:21
  um, God, I'm sorry. Oh no.
• 31:25
  It's it's it welp. So we still have the game
• 31:29
  because we have to arrive late. But this is basically, I mean,
• 31:32
  where are we in this? We're like 26 minutes in or
• 31:36
  something. We've got 20 minutes or so to go
• 31:38
  little bit less than that. And, and the game thing is
• 31:44
  finished and now something else is happening and we've got no
• 31:47
  idea of what it is at this point.
• 31:49
  And the incredible thing is this looks like a sequel to the long
• 31:52
  game but it's absolutely A sequel to like heaps of stories,
• 31:56
  you know, here and everything comes together in this finale.
• 32:00
  In a way that I don't think we knew would be the sort of thing
• 32:04
  that would happen. Certainly, the long game and we
• 32:07
  should have known from the name. You know the well, I mean that's
• 32:11
  the cheek. You think about the logo?
• 32:12
  I render watch that Reiner if you gotta go.
• 32:20
  Yeah, is so blood Any good? He just shared a joke with her.
• 32:25
  Then right there, both laughing. And then he literally turned on
• 32:28
  Syria, so that off actually, it's all gone wrong.
• 32:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good.
• 32:32
  Like, I think the first half of the Season, he felt his way in a
• 32:35
  little bit and there was a few moments of Comedy where I was a
• 32:38
  little bit. Unsure, the second half is
• 32:40
  season, he is on fire and it is a thing.
• 32:43
  We're both his daughter and David Tennant's doctor.
• 32:46
  Um, Mom asks, you know that there's some that their
• 32:50
  performances designed for a particular purpose.
• 32:53
  So there goes a garak's. Is that a garak's?
• 32:55
  I can't remember? Yeah.
• 33:00
  Rose is Roderick. It's a great idea.
• 33:03
  Strikes in this deadly. Danger of the weakest link.
• 33:06
  Yeah yeah. And then I fell this bit the
• 33:08
  minute, they sell the whole sequence where they're doing the
• 33:11
  last round of questions. There's a brilliantly and it's
• 33:17
  not just built up by roses performance which is like Billy
• 33:21
  is just astoundingly good in it. She is so properly terrified you
• 33:26
  know and like the cameras close up on her, she's not chic.
• 33:29
  She has to kind of control it. You know what I mean?
• 33:32
  Because you still get up anticipating the game so she's
• 33:34
  not sort of visibly, she's not freaking out but she's really
• 33:37
  super terrified and then the the questions, you know, like the
• 33:43
  questions sometimes they're ridiculous.
• 33:46
  And there's one question I think which is truly horrible and
• 33:50
  Russell like it. He's absolutely most vicious Hy
• 33:53
  youth. It's the one about which which
• 33:57
  Icelandic city hosted murder spree.
• 33:59
  Me too. I can't remember exactly who the
• 34:04
  game is called. Oh, I know somewhere in Iceland.
• 34:10
  I'll just say that. Yes, that's right, that's right.
• 34:15
  And then the other city in Iceland, but none of us have
• 34:19
  ever heard of, but I thought you got it right when she goes.
• 34:23
  Boom, the face of BOE. There's a question about Jackie.
• 34:29
  Ones like Teeth the direction of this as well, where the music
• 34:37
  they are there. And when it comes to the point,
• 34:39
  yeah, he's one and that love Simone is like, yeah, you love.
• 34:45
  Then the music gets louder and louder and louder.
• 34:47
  They actually say the commentary that Joe I heard what did music
• 34:51
  as loud as possible, when Julie Gardner.
• 34:52
  He had a few fights about because you can't hear the
• 34:54
  dialogue, but I think that's the point is they're supposed to be
• 34:57
  alone. Yeah.
• 34:59
  It's willing to take their there.
• 35:01
  Is that saying where you where, you know, they break in just
• 35:05
  after just as Rose is you know, disintegrate it.
• 35:09
  And then we don't hear their dialogue and we don't see what's
• 35:12
  going on. And then there's all these
• 35:14
  disjointed shots like the way that the doctors kind of
• 35:18
  bereavement and Jack Sprague meant is, you know, affects the
• 35:23
  way. The story is told is brilliant
• 35:25
  and like, nothing we've ever seen in Doctor, Who before The
• 35:30
  point I'm trying to make here is a no climax to a Weakest Link.
• 35:34
  Episode should be this will rip you.
• 35:36
  Yeah empty still upon he's famous for what?
• 35:43
  Just the way she says shoes and you're like there's a sense of
• 35:48
  geography as well of the special effect going up, the satellite.
• 35:52
  Yeah, they're dashing into the last.
• 35:55
  Well Russell, very frequently adds verticality to Stories,
• 35:59
  like it, new Earth, just as well through the hospital Jones.
• 36:05
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 36:06
  So that one. A long game?
• 36:08
  Yep. Absolutely.
• 36:11
  Because, yeah, because the studio is just a flat plane.
• 36:15
  And so if you want to create the sense of a world that breaks
• 36:19
  beyond the studio, but you're in the studio, is you create a
• 36:21
  bigger geography for them to Traverse mmm.
• 36:25
  So yeah, this is then we can Cars these days.
• 36:32
  No, no. And it doesn't, it doesn't
• 36:35
  Russell say that thing in the commentary where he says, that
• 36:41
  that, he thinks that kids wouldn't think she was dead that
• 36:45
  they were. Yeah, I understand he's called
• 36:48
  us and said, he watched it with his nephew or niece and they
• 36:51
  absolutely were convinced Larose know.
• 36:53
  Tim has gone well, and because you're introducing Joe joiners
• 36:56
  character as well. I clean with a wise there is a
• 36:59
  kind, Kind of, but they never going to kill her.
• 37:01
  Holy shit. That's good.
• 37:04
  Just never gonna kill this woman.
• 37:06
  Your floor mat. Yeah, she's cool.
• 37:09
  But man, she has a fantastic scene in the second episode.
• 37:12
  Yeah, yeah. She's really gonna love it when
• 37:14
  she quietly steps forward and says, yeah, I'm going to fight
• 37:18
  but in the moment she dies and she's like, you lie to me.
• 37:22
  How is some good? So we can hear the dialogue, but
• 37:25
  the dialogue is absolutely still be emphasized by the noise.
• 37:29
  Like we know Not supposed to and he can because he's not
• 37:32
  listening. We don't hear the dialogue
• 37:34
  properly. You know, the guy who captures
• 37:36
  him, you know, like he's talking but he's not listening at all.
• 37:41
  And so, this whole thing Fades into this sort of and like some
• 37:44
  time passes, look how distant and lonely the game station
• 37:47
  looks, you know, in the exterior shot and I think this prison
• 37:51
  just looks incredible. I really love the Lions very
• 37:54
  Stark and it's a bit violent. Is there only it's completely
• 37:57
  different from where we've been And like, like I think these are
• 38:01
  just Studio Flats but they recently convincing as metal and
• 38:05
  certainly the little like the metal Grille on.
• 38:07
  The thing just adds a kind of level of realism to it that you
• 38:10
  don't get on. I love it.
• 38:12
  When X I'm just going right? Let's do it and then they just
• 38:15
  beat him. Yeah.
• 38:16
  And he's like, he's like And look, the lunar penal, colony,
• 38:21
  still operating and you never get a trial and you don't get to
• 38:25
  leave ever. It's, I was a turn in a second
• 38:29
  and I, oh my God. Yeah, trouble, they're coming
• 38:30
  with guns. You know.
• 38:33
  Yeah, we've with the controller in the background.
• 38:37
  That's extraordinary. I'm just really drawn to that
• 38:43
  visual. It's really good, isn't it?
• 38:46
  Yeah, yeah. And they're watching it happen.
• 38:51
  So they waiting for him to arrive and the lift again.
• 38:58
  Yeah. I mean least they said it's
• 39:01
  because he's learned the story, hasn't he?
• 39:05
  You know like it reusing the sets from parking space in
• 39:10
  Revenge of the Cyberman and so he deliberately is sets, you
• 39:17
  know, sets, two stories aboard, the satellite and just reuses
• 39:20
  the sets and redress is them and the sets are not massively sort
• 39:24
  of impressive or anything. But just the A way that they lit
• 39:27
  and dressed on stuff. They look great.
• 39:29
  Yeah, I think this is one story where you just so absorbed in
• 39:34
  the action. Really my hair.
• 39:36
  Yeah, I'm not really looking at the set of I want with your arm,
• 39:38
  just so incredible. But like they say tonight I
• 39:43
  pointed out series one and everyone was how I have doctors
• 39:46
  got an unlimited budget. Of course it didn't it was still
• 39:50
  yeah. Yeah.
• 39:51
  To use all the old tricks. They've definitely, of course,
• 39:55
  as you always say better at making television.
• 39:57
  Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing.
• 39:59
  And that's that's very simple to over there where John Barrowman
• 40:04
  goes from that set to the White sets of the TARDIS set.
• 40:08
  It's like yeah, he's just gone through three Resets he goes in
• 40:12
  a space of 2 so it's absolutely cells.
• 40:16
  The Tardis is a space to like as a sort of strange space, you
• 40:20
  know, like he like you're right. He goes through that tiny set
• 40:24
  the you know, the dark set that white set.
• 40:26
  And now he is and we get a little bit of roses jacket and
• 40:31
  staff. We just hearing a lot of jokes,
• 40:35
  you've got no right to wear it with that, you know, with that
• 40:40
  by saying that isn't it you know, you just don't think that
• 40:43
  characters had white redeems well even though she stays 25.
• 40:48
  Yeah, yeah. Like we tried wewe like her
• 40:51
  because she's got that sort of romance they do with the up
• 40:54
  that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:56
  But the other really funny thing, I think, is to that, the
• 40:59
  doctor is absolutely ferociously.
• 41:01
  Angry, he goes up. A big fucking gun up to the, you
• 41:05
  know, the up to the top floor and then why ask about the first
• 41:09
  thing he does is throw the gun to the guy, you know.
• 41:13
  Davies has been watching worries that the Deep hasn't he given
• 41:16
  away the gun? Yeah, me just sort of throws it.
• 41:20
  Throws it to. It's so good and it rides for
• 41:25
  ages. It control?
• 41:27
  Yep. Yeah, I think so.
• 41:32
  She's so good to isn't she? And look so strange.
• 41:37
  I think that is that Anaheim. Oh, I don't know.
• 41:42
  Well, I don't know and I hope she's not a lot of big finish
• 41:45
  work. You probably would do okay.
• 41:47
  Oh no, I think I do hope. I know, I know how it was the
• 41:50
  cat person in novice hame. No, novice hame.
• 41:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you say yes, you're very
• 41:58
  good. I will have a look at the
• 42:04
  closing credits, sometimes when you see the graphics, you know,
• 42:06
  you can tell this is what 20 years ago.
• 42:09
  Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. But I think it still looks good
• 42:12
  and I think you know, like it's better to look timely when your
• 42:15
  first broadcast because you are always going to look dated no
• 42:18
  matter how you know future you try and look.
• 42:22
  So I think you may as well make it as contemporary and
• 42:24
  accessible as possible. You've got normal people
• 42:27
  watching this you know you don't want space people on television
• 42:30
  you want normal people that they can recognize as TV people.
• 42:34
  You know it was always that sort of thing when when I was a kid
• 42:37
  and my mother would see what I was watching TV.
• 42:39
  Should we go? What, how the hell can this?
• 42:41
  Even mean anything to you? There's old Robert people and
• 42:44
  space people and stuff. And these look at Joe join and
• 42:48
  doing that little thing with her foot when she gets disintegrated
• 42:51
  and she's doing the same thing when she reappears.
• 42:53
  Yeah. Yeah, very, it looks sweet as he
• 42:56
  was up. Makes her look like a kid, you
• 42:58
  know, like a nervous little kid. It's so good.
• 43:02
  But you know, what? When I first watched this, I
• 43:04
  have the garlic heartbeat. Yeah, I've made you say, it
• 43:09
  isn't It-it's been you have a govt shot and you're like yes,
• 43:13
  yeah, yeah, yeah. And we like, I don't think we
• 43:17
  heard the POV shot. We didn't hear that that that
• 43:22
  that noise the noise and I think it's just delightful.
• 43:27
  I did he ever had it? Okay, I think it's incredible.
• 43:30
  The the new shows just adopted that and it regularly uses it
• 43:33
  for the dialects. I think it's great and this is
• 43:35
  the first time we do it. Hey guys, I kind of I thought I
• 43:40
  caught by yeah, it's my ringtone.
• 43:45
  Oh, I love about these is when they kill the controller.
• 43:48
  This whole scene is just her talking.
• 43:49
  They don't say exterminate all screaming - yeah.
• 43:53
  Yeah, yeah. All the more scary for it.
• 43:57
  Yeah, it's really amazing, isn't it?
• 43:59
  It's really scary. It's like a pig's don't through
• 44:03
  her. Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 44:05
  I'm really love the design of the game station as well.
• 44:08
  It's not like 50. Yeah.
• 44:10
  Yeah it looks incredible in here.
• 44:11
  It's very heart, spinning different things but there's
• 44:15
  also this one has lots more spiky antennas and stuff on it.
• 44:19
  I think it's cute but the doctors always try to stop Jack
• 44:22
  from flirt with everybody as well.
• 44:30
  The Cliffhanger that's coming up is imminent.
• 44:31
  So I'm going to quickly talk about it now.
• 44:35
  It's one of those rare times where X but the tops are a
• 44:38
  dangerous. The doctor saying I'm coming for
• 44:40
  you. I think it's an incredible
• 44:42
  Cliffhanger. It's really, really properly
• 44:44
  good and it isn't, how will the doctor get out of this?
• 44:47
  But what the hell? Well, it kind of is its, but it
• 44:50
  is. What the hell will the doctor do
• 44:51
  next? I think it's unbelievably great.
• 44:55
  One of our absolute How will the Daleks get out of this one?
• 44:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, look, I think it's I think
• 45:02
  it's, you know, absolutely one of the best, you know, one of
• 45:07
  the very best Cliffhangers in the show's history like you know
• 45:10
  maybe instead to the meal, they've got to be retro sources.
• 45:14
  All right. Yeah yeah yeah this so good
• 45:19
  aren't they, you know, I have behind it.
• 45:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, unbelievable. So great.
• 45:27
  I think the other Cliffhanger that's like that is the Matt
• 45:31
  Smith. There's one thing.
• 45:33
  You don't put in a trap Cliffhanger for time of angels
• 45:39
  where she gives the people are absolutely incredible.
• 45:42
  And he fires the gun and you don't know what he's doing.
• 45:46
  How about the addition of granddaughter?
• 45:48
  But I mean, yes, that's right. Please sit here.
• 45:53
  He finds his way in the show, the for the second time and
• 45:57
  space. When he sees them.
• 45:59
  Yeah, yeah. No, it's not.
• 46:02
  I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:07
  It's absolutely what I was saying before, it's an act, it's
• 46:10
  a mask. All of the, you know,
• 46:12
  lightheartedness is he's hiding this.
• 46:16
  What you can see on his face now, I'm not sure we'd seen a
• 46:23
  performance, this intense by, I like to play the doctor before.
• 46:27
  No. No, but I'd like, I think we
• 46:30
  have seen kids else. It seems a.
• 46:35
  Yeah, well, I mean, I think, you know, just about everyone has
• 46:39
  as, you know, like, you know, like, I think Matt Smith can be
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  incredible as well. Like, you know, tenant for all
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  of his teeth and hair. Can you know, deliver something
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  pretty incredible? I mean, these becomes an acting
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  role in a way where, you know, like whenever there's a new
• 47:00
  doctor, and people say, oh, it'll be mr.
• 47:02
  Blobby or it'll be, you know, Graham Norton or something and
• 47:05
  it could Paradise. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, instead of, being a proper
• 47:09
  actor, like Christopher Eccleston and like it had never
• 47:12
  been a lot. It's, you know, job for a light
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  entertainment actor, anyway. But but you know, ankle certain
• 47:18
  really kind of turned Turns it into a proper acting role.
• 47:22
  Remember that moment where he cries like, he tears are again
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  but the world in end of the world and I just think fuck you
• 47:30
  know when have I ever ever been you know invited to think about
• 47:34
  what the doctor is like feeling emotionally.
• 47:37
  Look I never find the end of last week when they're on the
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  High Street and he's just awesome here.
• 47:45
  This is so different from what we had before.
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  And say, look at we're doing the next week thing.
• 47:52
  And like, just like those special effects are so
• 47:56
  incredible, like, the way that they can now just have, you
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  know, they have half a million dollars in those sources and,
• 48:03
  like, rather than talking about it rather than just or, you
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  know, the little roley can things plaque with the balance.
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  It's good and I think the next episode is if anything better,
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  it's really something. Do you think they managed to
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  best? But at that as a knows me
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  because I actually think in pretty much every season the
• 48:39
  penultimate episode is offer better than the male.
• 48:42
  Yeah, I think yeah the drums is bad last of the timelords stolid
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  Earth bests. Exams.
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  And all right, all right, to the Big Bang.
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  Yeah, Yeah, I think like of Russell's, I don't know.
• 48:58
  Like, I like all of Russell's finales even the season 31 and
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  like, I recognized her things that don't work in the city, you
• 49:09
  know, in the season 3 finale. But I still think it's fantastic
• 49:12
  and it's got John. See him and you know the
• 49:14
  Cliffhanger 2 episode 12 is unbelievably great.
• 49:19
  Isn't it? I mean, just so good.
• 49:22
  You know, is that worries her? So this quoting the Bible says
• 49:25
  it and it's yeah. Yeah.
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  You know like it's and then the opening of season 13 with see
• 49:32
  the Scissor Sisters song of a doctor in the wheelchair and
• 49:35
  stuff and like the doctor like the master is so fun and so
• 49:40
  funny and so incredibly good, you know, in that and it's like
• 49:44
  this before. Show is Dreadful, but the thing
• 49:50
  is, you know, like the threat that the mouse Troy's poses
• 49:54
  isn't to the world of the show. It's to our world, he threatens
• 49:59
  to become more entertaining than the doctor, and both John simm
• 50:03
  and Michelle Gomez manage that. And I think Delgado manages it
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  in cause vac sauce and wear heels.
• 50:10
  My we do it as well. Yeah.
• 50:12
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:13
  That's right. But you're ever win this season
• 50:14
  3 DVD box set came out and like one side of the box.
• 50:18
  Is it just has, you know, Josie motto is, you know, it's like
• 50:22
  he's taking over as star of the show and you know, like he's a
• 50:26
  credible star of the show because he done, you know, life
• 50:28
  on Mars and stuff. So, you know, we know David
• 50:32
  Tennant is generous enough Max of just go.
• 50:34
  Well, yeah, he's still quite as insecure as Jon Pertwee.
• 50:41
  Yeah, I like that one place and ended in quite another.
• 50:45
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I did.
• 50:48
  Really did. Wow, we're about to see what I
• 50:53
  consider to be the darkest. Portrayal of the Daleks.
• 50:58
  Yeah, let me see a doctor. Who should we hop across and
• 51:02
  watch it? Yeah, I think so.
• 51:05
  Okay.