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Set 2: Juice Wasn't Worth The Squeeze (w/ John Fanta) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. I don't know why I'm giving out
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  Speaker 1: the phone number. Dominic F * * * worth. Foxworth.
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  Speaker 2: To get the all boat. The all boat. To get
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  Speaker 2: the all boat. The all boat. To get the all boat.
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  Speaker 2: The all boat.
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  Speaker 3: My shorts are tight.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like your abdominal is about to explode. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like your abdominal. I feel like your abdominal. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like your abdominal.
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  Speaker 1: Dominic F * * * worth.
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  Speaker 2: So it's abdomen?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. It's a tough word. It's a tough
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  Speaker 1: one for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Abdomen.
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  Speaker 4: And I know because I have one.
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  Speaker 1: Six pack. We can't speak. And we speak for a living.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 5: Perhaps because we're speaking too much in too many places,
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  Speaker 5: all three of us. Mikey A has been clean, though.
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  Speaker 5: I got to be honest with you. I didn't hear
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  Speaker 5: any Mikey A in that open right there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 4: Knocking on wood here.
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  Speaker 1: You're up. Do something. Get the heat off of me
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  Speaker 1: for crying out loud. Come on, Iowa Sam.
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  Speaker 5: There is a year-long investigation that has been completed by
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  Speaker 5: the NBA as it relates to Kawhi Leonard. John Fanta
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  Speaker 5: is going to join us coming up here in about
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  Speaker 5: 20 to 30 minutes. Looking forward to speaking with him.
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  Speaker 5: What'd you guys make of this investigation? The Clippers here
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  Speaker 5: have lost five first round picks. Steve Ballmer, $ 30 million
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  Speaker 5: in fines, plus a year long suspension. Lawrence Frank and
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  Speaker 5: Gillian Zucker suspended six months each. Kawhi Leonard must pay
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  Speaker 5: $ 700, 000 in restitution, which is nothing to him. The fines
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  Speaker 5: don't mean anything to them. It's the draft picks and
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  Speaker 5: being found guilty by the NBA. What do you guys think?
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  Speaker 2: The biggest thing to me is the biggest winner in
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  Speaker 2: all this, Pablo Torre.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Big winner.
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  Speaker 2: Because there was that report from ESPN a couple weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago where they ran a story suggesting that the NBA
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  Speaker 2: did not find evidence that Steve Ballmer funneled money to
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  Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard. And now it's a bad look for ESPN
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  Speaker 2: because you had people like Ty Lawson trying to dance
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  Speaker 2: on Pablo Torre's grave for inaccurate reporting.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Stu, if you remember at the time, what we
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  Speaker 2: said is Pablo's not wrong.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We can promise you with how much work Pablo puts
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  Speaker 2: into his reporting.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Pablo's not wrong. Pablo knows something that the NBA didn't.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw a tweet from Pablo yesterday, basically like
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  Speaker 2: a thinking man emoji before this all dropped.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, no, Pablo has something. Overall,
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  Speaker 2: with the Kawhi story, though, this is such a steep
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  Speaker 2: price for what the Clippers are being accused of and
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  Speaker 2: what the NBA eventually found them guilty for.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they cheated, Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when you factor in what they traded
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  Speaker 2: to get him and then the NBA sanctions, Kawhi Leonard
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  Speaker 2: cost the Clippers. Ready for this. A 2021 first-round pick,
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  Speaker 2: a 2022 first-round pick, a 2023 first-round pick, a 2023
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  Speaker 2: first-round pick swap, a 2024 first-round pick, a 2025 first-round
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  Speaker 2: pick swap, 2026 first-round pick, 2029 first-round pick, 2030 first-round pick,
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  Speaker 2: 2031 first-round pick, 2032 first-round pick, 2033 first-round pick.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Daniil Gallinari, Shea Gildas Alexander, the two-time reigning MVP, a
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  Speaker 2: $ 30 million fine. Steve Ballmer suspended for a year. And
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  Speaker 2: all this for what? Kawhi didn't play in L.A. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't win anything of significance.
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  Speaker 4: Right. He averaged 47 games a year. They paid all
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  Speaker 4: like you didn't do all that and get Tom Brady
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  Speaker 4: and be like, hey, listen, we got six Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 4: We're good.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Like, no, you got 47 games a year of mediocre
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  Speaker 4: on a mediocre team.
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  Speaker 5: Mediocre team, but a great player. But he only gave
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  Speaker 5: you 47 great games per year.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. 47 times a year, he was a great player.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: There was a point in Pablo's early reporting where he
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  Speaker 2: had floated out the idea of, I'm going to start
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  Speaker 2: looking into Jalen Brunson because that contract might be fishy. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Pablo has since come out and said, there's nothing to
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  Speaker 2: that report. I don't think there's anything there.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: that the Knicks handled it the right way.
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  Speaker 1: I told them to back the fuck off is what
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  Speaker 1: I told them. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But in that case, if this report comes out tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: about the Knicks circumventing the cap to get Jalen Brunson, okay,
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks eventually went on to win a title, and
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  Speaker 2: then the NBA would have to decide, like, do we
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  Speaker 2: take away the Knicks title?
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: But also, on the other end of that, it's like
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  Speaker 2: when USC tried to take away Reggie Bush's Heisman. Our
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  Speaker 2: memories still work from that year. We remember how good
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  Speaker 2: Reggie Bush was at USC. You could take away the
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  Speaker 2: Heisman trophy from Reggie Bush. He's still the Heisman to us.
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  Speaker 2: So even if the NBA tried to take away the
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  Speaker 2: Knicks title, this is just my way of saying it.
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  Speaker 2: It still counts in my personal.
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  Speaker 1: Put it on the poll, Taylor.
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  Speaker 5: Is Reggie Bush okay with just us saying he was
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  Speaker 5: the Heisman Trophy winner that year?
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  Speaker 1: He would like the trophy to validate what it is
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  Speaker 1: he did.
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  Speaker 5: But what you're saying here is, if indeed the Knicks
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  Speaker 5: did cheat, at least they won a championship by doing it.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't. Pablo was backed off.
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  Speaker 5: The Clippers did all this to get 40-some-odd games of
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  Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard and never advanced to a conference final.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: With the Clippers doing this for Kawhi Leonard, the juice
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  Speaker 2: was not worth the squeeze. Ah. For the Knicks, the
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  Speaker 2: juice would have been worth the squeeze because it ended
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  Speaker 2: with you celebrating with a parade.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Yes. You're muted.
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  Speaker 4: I got to bring out my inner Israel Gutierrez right now.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: How the hell are we talking about the Knicks? How
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  Speaker 4: the hell did this story bring us talking about the Knicks?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's because Taylor took us there. That's why he
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  Speaker 5: always does. It was just to highlight the fact that, like,
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  Speaker 5: the Clippers did all this cheating for what? To get
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  Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard. I mean, that's why they did it. The
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  Speaker 5: Clippers are a desperate organization. A bomber wants to make
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  Speaker 5: a splash. They'll always be second fiddle to the Lakers
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  Speaker 5: in L.A. It doesn't matter who they get. But when
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  Speaker 5: you're bomber, you take over that team. There's a new arena.
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  Speaker 1: Kawhi's coming off a championship in Toronto. You want the guy.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, when he plays, he's one of the five
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  Speaker 5: or ten best players in the NBA. So when you
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  Speaker 5: ask me, what did they do it for?
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  Speaker 1: They did it to get Kawhi Leonard. They cheated, though.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're going to pay the price.
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  Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard did not want to go to the Clippers.
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  Speaker 4: If we remember back to that NBA offseason, he did
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  Speaker 4: not want to go there. And they had to do
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  Speaker 4: all of this just to make it worth it. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think owners and GMs need to start
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  Speaker 4: taking note. If a player doesn't want to come there,
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  Speaker 4: just let him go. Look at Deshaun Watson in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 4: He did not want to go to the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 4: He said, no, you're out. And they're like, how about
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  Speaker 4: if we guarantee all of this money? He's like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'll go there. If their player doesn't want
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  Speaker 4: to go, just let him walk somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: And now we have Kawhi in a situation where he'll
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  Speaker 5: pay the $ 700, 000, he'll play in Toronto, and the Clippers
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  Speaker 5: are going to be horrible for a long, long time
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  Speaker 5: because they felt the need to cheat to get that guy,
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  Speaker 5: a guy who doesn't play every game.
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  Speaker 2: What I was the most confused about when the NBA
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  Speaker 2: hands down these major penalties where the Clippers lose five
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  Speaker 2: first-round picks, Ballmer gets the $ 30 million fine and a
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  Speaker 2: year-long suspension.
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  Speaker 1: That's nothing to him, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence Frank gets a six-month suspension.
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned Kawhi having to pay $ 700, 000 in restitution for
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  Speaker 2: the improper benefits. But Kawhi's not getting suspended and his
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  Speaker 2: contract won't be voided. This feels like it's almost a
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  Speaker 2: terrible job by the NBA because Kawhi Leonard made this
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  Speaker 2: mess in LA. He should have to stay in this
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  Speaker 2: mess that he created. Like, veto the trade to Toronto
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  Speaker 2: where if he's not getting suspended... There's no really repercussions
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  Speaker 2: for his actions, and now going to Toronto is essentially
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  Speaker 2: his get-out-of-jail-free card when the Clippers, the team that you
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  Speaker 2: screwed over here, who the Clippers are definitely involved in this,
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  Speaker 2: but the Clippers are now suffering the penalties with losing
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  Speaker 2: their next five first-round draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: And Kawhi's off at Toronto playing basketball. You want him
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  Speaker 5: to go back to the Clippers? There's a Nick theme there, Mikey.
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  Speaker 5: I can feel it. He doesn't want him in the
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  Speaker 5: Eastern Conference. I'm not worried about the Toronto Raptors.
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  Speaker 1: You think I'm worried?
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  Speaker 4: You should be.
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  Speaker 1: You think I'm worried about Emmanuel?
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  Speaker 4: You're going to have a motivated Kawhi.
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  Speaker 1: A motivated Kawhi.
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  Speaker 2: You think I'm worried about Emmanuel quickly and RJ Barrett?
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  Speaker 2: I saw them play New York.
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  Speaker 1: He wants them back in the Western Conference playing 43
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  Speaker 1: games a year and the Clippers never advancing in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he wants.
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  Speaker 4: I do disagree with you on this, Taylor. Like, Kawhi
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  Speaker 4: is the beneficiary of all this, but It was bomber.
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  Speaker 4: It was Frank that broke the rules. It was them that,
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  Speaker 4: that circumvented the rules. Kawhi just took the money. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they said, Hey, we're going to give you
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  Speaker 4: this money and it's going to be off the books.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, okay, I'll take it. But like, it was,
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  Speaker 4: it was those people who got punished.
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  Speaker 3: That, that.
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  Speaker 5: So do you think Kawhi didn't know how this deal
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  Speaker 5: was being negotiated?
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if he did.
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  Speaker 5: I know the investigation came back and said Kawhi didn't
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  Speaker 5: have any direct knowledge of what was going on, but
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  Speaker 5: his uncle did and he negotiated it. And even Kawhi
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  Speaker 5: said in a statement, I believe he released something where
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  Speaker 5: he said, The people closest to me are going to
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  Speaker 5: have to do a better job. Like he is sprinting
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  Speaker 5: away from this as if he had nothing to do
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  Speaker 5: with it.
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  Speaker 1: And that is a terrible job by Kawhi Leonard. Give
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  Speaker 1: me a break.
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  Speaker 5: Mikey, you would know how your deal was being negotiated
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  Speaker 5: if indeed your deal was for hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: You would. Does it matter?
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  Speaker 4: Does it? matter to him that it came from here
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  Speaker 4: and there and hey listen we want to pay you
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  Speaker 4: 200 million even though the nba cap says we could
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  Speaker 4: pay you 150 we're gonna we're gonna work this thing
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  Speaker 4: around so that you get the 200 right yeah but
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  Speaker 4: there is that is that There's three parties to this.
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  Speaker 2: And to Stu's point, Kawhi's just doing the shrug right
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  Speaker 2: now saying, like, I'm kind of innocent in all this.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't my doing where you have the Clippers. The
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  Speaker 2: Clippers have been penalized. Steve Ballmer gets the year-long suspension.
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  Speaker 2: And his Dennis Robertson, his uncle, former business rep, is
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  Speaker 2: banned from the NBA for the rest of eternity. And
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  Speaker 2: then the third party, Kawhi Leonard, it's like, okay, Kawhi,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to Toronto. Get ready for opening night. if
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  Speaker 2: your body allows it, which it probably won't, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: I would tell Kawhi, do a better job of knowing
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  Speaker 5: what the people around you are doing on your behalf.
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  Speaker 1: How's that sound?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Shohei Otani is very strong. My translator did
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  Speaker 2: the gambling, not me.
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  Speaker 1: You just want him back in L.A.
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  Speaker 5: So you feel like the penalty for Kawhi should be
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  Speaker 5: not only does he have to pay the $ 700, 000, but
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  Speaker 5: he has to stay in L.A. on that lousy team
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  Speaker 5: with that organization.
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  Speaker 2: He either has to stay in L.A. until the Clippers
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  Speaker 2: could pick again in the first round.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or he could.
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  Speaker 1: It could be a while.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let the trade go through to Toronto, but he's
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  Speaker 2: suspended for the year.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: When do the Clippers pick again in the first round?
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  Speaker 1: What year was it?
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  Speaker 2: Let me double check.
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  Speaker 5: 2034. So you have Kawhi sticking around for a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Eight more seasons until the Clippers can play. And in
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  Speaker 5: eight seasons, he'd play like, I don't know, 112 games.
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  Speaker 2: The way he does load management, he'll probably be ready
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  Speaker 2: to play by then.
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  Speaker 1: A full season. By 34. I like it. I'm good
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 5: Kawhi, leave Toronto, back to L.A., stay with the Clippers,
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  Speaker 5: and you can't retire until 2034 when they have a
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  Speaker 5: first-round draft pick again.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I rule with an iron fist.
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  Speaker 1: I could tell, yes. Mikey, you had something there?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you were leaning in. He keeps doing this where
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  Speaker 1: he leans in. I think he has something, and then
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? I'm thinking. The penalty's fair, right?
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  Speaker 1: Five picks. They cheated. They tried to circumvent the salary cap.
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  Speaker 5: And listen, Ballmer, for his entire life, has been able
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  Speaker 5: to get away with whatever Steve Ballmer wants to get
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  Speaker 5: away with.
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  Speaker 1: Not today. Not today.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like this is probably a little more commonplace
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  Speaker 4: than we might want to believe. I'm certain that it is.
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  Speaker 4: But it also feels like they didn't skirt the rules.
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  Speaker 4: They just went ahead and ran through them. They didn't
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  Speaker 4: tiptoe and be like, ah, maybe it's this. No, they
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  Speaker 4: were just like, nope, we're doing this. It's like literally
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  Speaker 4: walking on the field and handing somebody a bag of money.
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  Speaker 1: It was the only way they could have done it, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the only way, right? Within the cap.
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  Speaker 1: To fit him within the cap?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but even just the route they took in circumventing
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  Speaker 4: it felt like, we're not even trying to hide it.
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  Speaker 4: We're just going to do it like this.
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  Speaker 2: If Pablo Torre is the biggest winner today, the biggest
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  Speaker 2: loser today has to be Clippers fans.
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  Speaker 5: I mean....
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  Speaker 1: Like, Bombers.
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  Speaker 2: Bomber is a loser today, but a $ 30 million fine
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  Speaker 2: to Bomber is like if I find Stugatz $ 2. Right, well....
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: An accurate comparison, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I would say more like $ 5 or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Call it $ 4.
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  Speaker 1: 50 and we'll walk away. You think Bomber's happy today, though?
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  Speaker 2: No, Bomber's definitely a loser today.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: He's a big loser. They lost five draft picks. Clipper
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  Speaker 1: fans are the biggest losers.
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  Speaker 2: Biggest losers by far.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe Robertson because he's banned from all NBA business dealings
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  Speaker 5: for the rest of time.
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  Speaker 1: And he should be.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean... It's going to get, it's going to
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  Speaker 4: just get worse because the way to get better is
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  Speaker 4: to get first round picks. And if you don't have
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  Speaker 4: first round picks, you don't get better. Then you can't
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  Speaker 4: make that money back up.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's, it's just going to keep getting bad until.
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  Speaker 2: It's a, it's a franchise. This is the equivalent to
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  Speaker 2: like the death penalty. It seems like where we saw
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  Speaker 2: teams like in the nineties, SMU get the death penalty and,
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  Speaker 2: and how hard it is for, for those teams to
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  Speaker 2: come back.
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  Speaker 6: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good. The NBA hammered him. They said, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: taking Kawhi away.
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  Speaker 5: He's going to play in Toronto, and you're not going
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  Speaker 5: to be relevant again until 2035.
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  Speaker 1: Good for the NBA. Steve Ballmer deserves it.
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  Speaker 4: All right, question for you, Stu Gatz. How many owners
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  Speaker 4: are calling general managers, former general managers, and being like,
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  Speaker 4: we dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's, right?
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  Speaker 4: We're not– that's– No one's finding out about ours, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: How many are doing that? That's certainly happening at the
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  Speaker 1: Mecca today.
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  Speaker 2: And if you didn't, Pablo Torres, I smell a scoop.
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  Speaker 1: What was the emoji he sent out?
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  Speaker 2: It was like a thinking emoji, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a victory lap for Pablo Torres?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, most people don't send that out when they're
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  Speaker 5: taking a victory lap, but I know Pablo, and he's
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: my friend, and that's the exact thing he would send
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: out when he's taking a victory lap.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: It seemed like he could have broken the news like, hey,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: something is about to come. But Pablo was like, I
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: don't need any extra credit right now. All the credit
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: is already coming my way. He is not a man
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: you want on your scent. He's the only one out
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: there trying to figure things out. Whoever the Clippers play
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: on opening night, I'll have to check the schedule.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's a loss.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: The team, their first road game, that team should honor
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Pablo Torre.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: It's going to be so upsetting when the Clippers, you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: have five wins.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: They're locked to get the number one pick, and then
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: they're reminded you don't get any more picks until 2034.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be bad for a long time.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: They have been bad for a long time. They deserve
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: to be bad for a long time. Their fans are losers.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: I don't care that they are the biggest losers today.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: You're the biggest loser just by becoming a Clipper fan.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Second biggest winner today? whoever picks just after the Clippers
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: for the next five years.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: How do you choose the Clippers? It's like me and
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: you choosing the Jets over the Giants. I mean, the
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Giants are sitting right there for us.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Mikey, I have a better idea. The in-season tournament, we
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: play for the NBA Cup trophy. Instead of just skipping
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: wherever the Clippers pick, whoever wins the in-season tournament, you
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: get the Clippers pick for the next five years.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, I love that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Wait, do we do it?
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I would watch.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Do we do it? Yes, I would.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: I would watch, yes, because that pick is going to
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: be a top five pick. Wait, are we doing this
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: every year?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Every year. Okay.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Just for the next five.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the next five years. No, no, no, that's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: So the winner of next season's in-season tournament is not
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: getting all the picks through 2034.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: They're just getting next season's first-round pick.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And Adam Silver presents the NBA Cup trophy, and then
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Steve Ballmer presents the Clippers draft card to the team.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: I love this idea. The in-season tournament. I might rather
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: win that than the NBA Finals.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Very excited. We love this guy, John Fanta.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: New show, Fanta in 60, is a 60-minute Monday show
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: hosted by Fanta, which will cover multiple sports, betting, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: fantasy analysis, streaming Mondays from 6 to 7 p.m.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Eastern.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: I'm laughing because of the clever name, Fanta in 60,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: and it being a 60-minute show.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: How did this show come about, Fanta?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the show came out great to be with you guys.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Back in May was sort of wrapping up my first
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: year with NBC Sports and had just done the Kentucky Derby,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: which was the most unique assignment I've had in my career.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And the bosses came to me and said, what do
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you think about sort of combining this energy into some
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: sort of a show? And I'm always about having fun
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: and trying different projects and taking on different challenges and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: and the first year at NBC was so rewarding because
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of people had known me and still know
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: me for the college basketball world, and that's where my
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: bread was buttered. But I'm a sports fan like you
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: guys and grew up loving all sports on the west
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: side of Cleveland. We may or may not get to that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: And this show sort of grew from concept to, hey,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: You know, yes, we know he's got different game assignments
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: and different things, but let's start it one day a week.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Let's start on Mondays. Football Mondays are so popular. It'll
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: be 6 to 7 p.m. Eastern time. And I said,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: if I'm going to do a show, I got to
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: have the voice of the fan in some capacity because
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And I call into radio stations all my life. So
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: we have a voicemail line, 203-832-5748. Wow. And the whole
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: premise of the voicemail line is you call in with
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: what you want to talk about, and it gets on
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the show. We'll take as many voicemails as we can.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I know some shows still have callers. Many of them
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: have kind of cut away from it. Like, I want
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: to have that because I think I want to talk
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: about what people want us to talk about.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I wish we had them, and we do a radio show.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I understand what it is you're saying. When's the last
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: time you called into a radio show, Fanta?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question. I called into WFAN.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Like, I want to say in January or February, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: was making a late-night drive home from stores doing a
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: UConn game, and they were talking about the Jets. and
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: they were talking about what they were going to do
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: at quarterback and Aaron Glenn and stuff. And I was, like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: fired up, and I was kind of fired up because
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: it's like, what do you expect out of Aaron Glenn
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: when this room is so distraught and rough? Like, I'm
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: not saying Aaron Glenn's a solution, and it didn't look
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: like he was one. He's got a short leash here
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: heading into his second year on the job. but yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I called it on the jets and like, I'm not
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: a jet fan, but I was passionate about it. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you know, somebody was on late at night and I
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: thought they were fun and engaging.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: And like that to me, fellas, that's, that's the core
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of why we do this, I think is to be conversational.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And so for me, it's like, you know, I, I, um,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I want this show to be that. And I want
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: us to, to, um, to try to be unique and, and,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: and you're going to hear what I, what I think
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: about stuff. And, you know, I'm not going to, I'm
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: probably not going to lead much with the Cowboys. I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a kid from Cleveland. And when we asked for voicemails, 30%
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of the voicemails were on Deshaun Watson, the Browns, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: maybe other shows were leading with it the day after
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the decision got made, but I led with it a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: week after. And, you know, it, uh, it, it took
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: off in its own way. So like, Yeah, I called
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: into FAN six months ago. And I don't call as
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: John Fance. I'll just call in as John driving in
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: a car.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's your alias. Yes, John on a car phone.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: No, you know what my new alias is going to be?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: It's going to be Deshaun at a shopping mall.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: All right, let's go there. Since you took us there,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: what did you make of that decision? Deshaun Watson, starting
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It is... Organizational malpractice to the highest degree. It really is.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And to me, I think a lot of people are
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: making it about Deshaun versus Shador. And I get that.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I understand that that drives home a lot of attention
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in an audience. I got nothing against Shador Sanders. Do
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a great NFL quarterback?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And his crowd will be mad at me for saying that,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: but I don't. This is about a guy who's gotten
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: an infinite amount of chances in Cleveland because they paid
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: him $ 230 million. They made this move four years ago.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Four years in the NFL is like 25 in a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: cubicle job. It just is. And so he's been given
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: all of these chances and really never once has shown appreciation, humility.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: You would think after his alleged things, okay, that he
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: would be working on all of the character things. Okay,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: so you don't want to be that way. That's fine. Well,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: The NFL is a league that will easily forgive anyone
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: who knows how to perform. He hasn't even been remotely
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: close to average. I mean, he would not start on
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: any of these other 31 teams. The irony is there's
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: maybe one team he would start for right now, maybe one,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: only because their quarterback room is so rough, and that's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the Falcons, because I don't know if they have a
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: healthy quarterback, and Deshaun at least is upright. The irony
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: is that Kevin Stefanski is the coach of the Falcons.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of funny that he goes from Cleveland
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to Atlanta and the QB room is as bad, if
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: not worse, because we don't know what they're going to
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: do because two is broken, and Penix seems like that's uncertain,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: so I don't know what they're going to do. But
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: all this to say, fellas, like, this has been a
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: disaster class. It's just, then you go at the fans.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Who has ever then been rewarded after going at fans?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Nobody.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: And he gets rewarded.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He gets rewarded.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: How?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: How does that happen? And then the assistant general manager
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: wears a sweatshirt that says Los Angeles made me do
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: it weeks after trading away one of the franchise's greatest players,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. Like, It's almost like they're trying to be
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: tone deaf.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Fanta, I'll tell you what. I'm going to leave a
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: voicemail on Fanta in 60, okay?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: In exchange for you just calling into the show whenever
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: you feel like calling into the show and just venting.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. Write that number down, okay? I'm in.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I'm in. I will call it. I'll call into your show.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: You call into my show.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I'm leaving a voicemail tonight.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got a we've got a deal. We've
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: got a hand. Is this what the LeBron Philly deal
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: look like? Is this what Mike Gansey did behind closed doors? Like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: was it was it that simple? Because my basketball team
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: did not do that handshake deal after I thought they
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: probably would.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: This is a handshake deal. This is written in concrete. OK,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: my friend. I love it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I want you calling in.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Done. And I want you calling in.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Done. Done.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: John, I'm going to be selfish with my question here
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: because I'm a Carolina basketball fan. You are synonymous with
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: college basketball.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, Taylor.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: According to sources at Inside Carolina, UNC's basketball roster for
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: this upcoming season was reported yesterday to exceed over $ 20 million.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: What would you say are fair expectations for year one
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: with Michael Malone?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say make the second weekend
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: of the NCAA tournament. I think that's fair. What would
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I probably say they'll do? I think they'll win a game,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: and it depends a little bit on the draw. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: they should make the NCAA tournament. They're very talented. They
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: have a kid named Terrence Brown, who I don't think
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: the nation knows a lot about, but this kid is
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: wired to score, spend time at FDU in Utah, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: then now at Carolina. He's legit. They got a kid
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: named Nao Avdalas, who... also gets buckets. Michael Malone's going
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to have no issues. He could function in this job.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Michael Malone could succeed at Carolina. He has money. When
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you bring in talent and you have money, does he
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: know how to coach basketball? Yes. He's going to design
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: NBA sets. Guys, this is true also in the football vein.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I think Marcus Freeman fits this too. Kids want to
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: know a couple things. Number one, how much money they're making.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Number two, are they going to learn how to be
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: a pro? Michael Malone has been with Nicole Jokic, Jamal Murray.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: He could tell a kid, look, you could choose to
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: listen to me or you could choose to not. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: also don't really give a damn because I've made my money.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: in the NBA and now making my money at Carolina.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: But if you choose to listen to me, I can
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: get you to league. I get you to all the
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: scouts you need to know. And we will win basketball
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: games and we'll do it at a blue blood. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: how's it sound to beat Duke? Like there's a world
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: where his fire kind of his unique nature could end
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: up translating here. It should be realistic expectations that Carolina
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: is a team that when we open up the bracket
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: in March, we say they're one of the 20 best
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: teams in the tournament. Do I think that they will be?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Time will tell. but they should be. And you should
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: go into years two and three and say they're one
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: of the 10 best teams in the tournament. That's how
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: this needs to work when you're spending their kind of money.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Fanta, just going back to the Jets for a second
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: and the Browns, because as you were talking about the Browns,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: I'm familiar with that frustration.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I have it with the Jets. So does Mikey A.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Mikey A, I am wondering, would you leave the Jets
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: for the Browns? And then Fanta, I want you to respond.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Would you leave the Browns for the Jets? Mikey A first.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I'm sure his answer is going to be very similar
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to mine. I would say the Browns is one of
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: the few organizations I wouldn't leave the Jets for. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he would say the same thing the other way.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: You have a no trade clause to the Browns?
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: It's the only one that's worse than ours. Fanta, do
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: you want to be a Jets fan?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to Alcatraz. I'm not going to Alcatraz.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You're there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: No, no, I'm like at Shawshank. I'm like at Mansfield Reformatory. No,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: there's still a shot. I could be Andy Dufresne. I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: could escape. I could escape and look up at the
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: water and say that, that to me, guys, to me
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: is the wildest thing about the Browns.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And I see your Patriots logo. And I think of
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: how quickly you guys turned it. And, and it's, and,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and by the way, I'm, I'm, I hope for your
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: sake that they do, but I got a lot of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: questions about the Patriots heading into this year. Can they
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: run this back and do it? It's kind of unique
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: in that regard because I kind of have them both
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: on the Pats and Broncos, and they were both in
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the AFC title game. I can't remember a year where
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: the two teams that played in the AFC championship game,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I wondered if both were going to make the playoffs again.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I digress. The Browns have made the playoffs twice in
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: the last six years.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I would leave the Jets for the Browns.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: But my point is, that's how dysfunctional they are. Like,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: how do you go from that to, Back down to
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: the depths of organization. That, to me, like, it'd be
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: one thing if you had the Raiders quarterback room for
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: the last 10 years.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: You know, and I guess they had a little bit
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: of a flash in the pan with Carr. Okay, whatever. But, like, overall,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: it'd be one thing if you just constantly stunk. And
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: for the first 20 years of my life, they did.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: They actually appeared to have figured it out and instead
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: have wasted Nick Chubb, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, I could
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: go on and on and on. Amari Cooper, who was
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: flashing there. David Njoku was loaded with talent. It's just,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that's the sad part is they've wasted primes of, they've
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: wasted primes of careers. They've wasted a window to win.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And now they look like one of the three worst
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: teams in the league.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Fanta, you mentioned the Patriots. Who do you think is
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: more likely to win the breakup? Jalen Hurts with the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Eagles or AFC?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: A.J.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Brown with the Patriots?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts with the Eagles because they've been in the
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: playoffs five consecutive years. Hurts has shown an ability to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: adapt with offensive coordinator changes, and that defense is still filthy,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and the Pats is too. The Patriots have their own
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: defense that can get the job done as well. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: would also say this. I am not subscribing to this idea.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to make the playoffs. But there's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of people out there. Do we not run
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: this back every year? Dallas is going to win 12 games.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: We do this every year.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, we do.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Can they get one stop in a game before we
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: do that? Can they? And, you know, we all think
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the Giants are going to be coordinated together. But there's
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: a reason why John Harbaugh is no longer coaching the
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens. There's a reason why. We have to see
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: if this is going to work. And Washington, who the
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: hell knows? I mean, we really don't know about Washington
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: because we don't know what kind of shape Jaden Daniels
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: is in. I hope Jaden Daniels is in RG3 Part 2.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I really hope he's not. I think he's very talented.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: But their receiver room, like, They're trying to make things
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: work with certain guys. We have to see if it
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: all clicks. And then what's their defense play like? In
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: other words, the Patriots, it's hard when the best quarterback
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: in the National Football League plays in your division. It
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: just is. And Josh Allen exists. And the Bills lost
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: some games that they normally hadn't lost before. And I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think they're coming back hungry. I think the Bills and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the Lions are the two hungriest teams in the National
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Football League. It's the Patriots' path last year. was a
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: really nice path. I like A.J. Brown, but I bet
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: on Jalen Hurts and Philly Moore.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Fanta in 60, 60-minute show, Monday night, 6 to 7 p.m. Eastern,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: streaming every Monday from 6 to 7 p.m.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Eastern.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: What'd you make of the ruling here on the Clippers
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: and Kawhi Leonard?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard made out quite well.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You think?
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And the Clippers made out about as poorly as an
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: organization can today.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: And Somebody out there that runs television could take a
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror and say, all right, times have changed,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the landscape's changed, but there still is a place for
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: outside-the-lines journalism. And I don't know Pablo Torre, and I
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: would bet he doesn't know who I am, but I
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: give the guy an immense amount of credit. An immense
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: amount of credit. He was right. He reported facts. There
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: are very credible people who are friends of mine and
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: who I respect the heck out of who said this
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: was a non-story. And guys, it was a huge story.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And as a result, this is a lesson in today's
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: climate of when wrongs are done in this social media climate,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: there still is room for the truth. And so I
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: give Commissioner Silver credit. We always hammer commissioners and stuff.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Who could hammer him today? The guy said, screw this.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I run this league. This is not okay. And I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: laying the hammer down. You know why? Because I don't
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: think Kawhi Leonard's the only person who's ever done this.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Jazz hands! That was well done. He's good. I love him.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I want Fanta around here more often, please. I need
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: him around here.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Anytime you need me. There's your jazz hands. I'm a
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: punishment there.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Be careful, Fanta.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: We're going to be co-hosting the show soon.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, you will. Well, he has to call in first.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he does. 877-99-UNBOXED.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Right, you have to call in.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to check my voicemail box.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you're going to call it. I'm going to call
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: into yours. It's going to be, I'm sorry, this voicemail
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: box is full.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Goodbye.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing worse than getting that message. Cause
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you're like, I'm genuinely trying to leave that person a voicemail.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: How am I going to get ahold of them now? Yes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I do know Pablo Torre very well. He's a friend
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: and I could guarantee you this and don't take it
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the wrong way. He doesn't know who you are, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: he absolutely expects you to know who he is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, and that's okay. Guess what?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I do know who he is and I respect him
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and I give him a world of Like, it just...
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I can't remember coming home from school and watching... I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: would have Bob Leon. And I can remember watching OTL
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: when a Mike Rice story broke.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Or this steroids thing was happening. Because you're saying.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Like, honestly, this type of show, do you know why
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: this type of show would work this winter? I mean,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you. The four of us are
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: all going to be watching football and basketball, but you
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: know where a show like that would fit in?
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Where?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: With whatever this baseball thing's going to be.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Baseball's literally going to be fighting to have a pulse.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: What medium are people going to be, we're just going
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: to be consuming it through tweets. So it's kind of–
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: which is fine, but, like, it does show you– it
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: showed that all that work when people were like it
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: was a huge nothing burger. Like, it is redeeming for
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: a minute, and it shows that hardcore journalism still can matter.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Fanta, we love you. Two quick ones on the way out, okay?
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Indiana.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Basketball school or football school? Indiana.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Well, here's how I always put this argument, all right? Now,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: stay with me on this, okay?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I'll stay with you.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Indiana football has their best season ever.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Indiana basketball has their best season ever. Ask anybody in
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Bloomington what they care more about. They'll tell you basketball.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I like it. That is the best answer we've gotten
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to that question, by the way. Fantastic.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's just how those people feel.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And I would also say this. Look at the television ratings.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: So Indiana football, I think Kurt Cignetti is the next
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Nick Saban. I think he's going to win multiple championships.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's done it in Indiana. I think
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: they're going to win the national championship this year. I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: think they're going to run it back and win it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I think they're better, which is crazy to say. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: it's still such a– Indiana is a basketball state. It
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: just is.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: It just is.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They'd rather win the NCAA basketball tournament. You're right. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: agree with you. Last one.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: We had this debate last week. You seem like the
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: perfect guy to ask. You can only use one utensil
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: for the remainder of time, and just one. Fork, spoon,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: or knife. Which one is Fanta going with?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: A fork all the way.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew I loved them. Fork the other utensils.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I'm using a fork.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fanta! That's how you do it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Fanta in 60, a 60-minute show every Monday night streaming
• 36:31
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• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Eastern. You are fantastic, my friend.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Expect a voicemail from me, and I expect a call
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: and you co-hosting one day with me, okay?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I'll join you guys anytime. Thanks for having me.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, buddy.