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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  And since this was the first really romantic interlude Midge
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  shares with Lenny, it had to be memorable.
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  And it is. This is who you wanted her with,
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  wasn't it Spencer? I love Lenny, Bruce and Midge
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  together. They were.
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  Why couldn't you give me that? I wanted it so bad.
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  Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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  I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm the marvelous Mr.
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  Williams. Spencer Williams Hello.
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  Mr. Williams. How's it going?
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  It's it's going pretty good. It's going pretty good.
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  I have too much going on. But it's it's fine.
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  It's. Fine.
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  I I haven't seen you in a bit, actually.
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  It's been a while. I didn't get to join for The
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  Color Purple episode, which was kind of a bummer, but whatever.
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  But. We missed you, but me and
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  Daniel, we got through it. Oh yeah, You guys killed it.
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  What? What have you been up to?
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  You have a long day ahead of you.
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  You started to tell me, and I'm like, wait, I gotta write this
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  down. So what are you doing today?
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  So it's my mom's birthday. Happy birthday, Mom.
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  Happy birthday, Mom. I'm.
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  Just making my mom dinner, making her fettuccine with a
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  white sauce shrimp and like this lemon garlic sauce asparagus.
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  My brother is making some French bread and then we're gonna me
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  and my brother are gonna make some chocolate covered
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  strawberries and I got this like any bitty tiramisu cake.
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  For her. So.
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  I wish I had children to make stuff on my birthday.
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  You have friends who bring you birthday cakes.
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  Oh yeah, that is true. But yeah, but still.
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  That sounds so good, man. Good for you.
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  Sounds good. I'm like, really hungry now,
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  which is why I was like, just say it again, you know, tell me
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  solely. You were like, wait, save this
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  for the podcast? And I was like, oh, OK, but this
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  makes sense. Yeah.
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  So dude, I'm doing that. I've started working on those
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  two plays. Oh.
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  So that's that's been fun. It's been interesting.
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  Two at once. Mm hmm.
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  One's a two person play and then the other is.
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  I've barely started it and it's already it's so much work.
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  I am loving this trajectory into theater costume design for you.
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  That is so cool. I'm having fun with it.
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  I definitely AM. If I could quit my day job, that
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  would be nice, but so far no. I think we all wish that.
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  That's good. Well, yeah, I haven't really
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  been up too much. I am well.
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  You started a new job. That's that's a lot.
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  I did start a new job that's been very busy.
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  I'm also, I don't really talk about too much on a podcast, but
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  I've been in I've been getting my degree a degree online
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  throughout almost the majority of this podcast and.
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  Pretty. Much.
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  Yeah. I am about to enter.
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  By the time this podcast comes out, I will be entering finals
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  week and this is it. Like I'm done forever.
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  Until I'm I have like a stupid and decide to get my masters in
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  something or whatever. But for now I could see the
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  light at the end of the tunnel. I'm.
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  So happy for you. That's so exciting.
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  Thank you. Almost there.
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  I just. I really fantasize about having
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  weekends where I could just focus on like the podcast and
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  then lay on my bed. Yeah, it's nice.
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  It's nice. I I I every now and then I think
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  about getting my masters, but then I work with people who are
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  in the process of getting like master's and other like advanced
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  degrees and I'm like, I'm good. I'm good.
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  Yeah, it's a. Bit much.
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  It's so much, you know, It's also a lot, Spencer.
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  What's that? The TV series we watched this
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  week, Spencer What did we watch? We watched the Marvelous Missus
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  Maisel this week. I've been watching this show for
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  all of a month at this rate. OK, A little more, a little more
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  than the past week. Every day I like come home and
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  I'm watching the marvelous missus maisel because we first
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  of all this is a big listener request.
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  Since the very beginning, people have been emailing us saying
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  when are you gonna do Marvelous missus maisel?
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  And the answer, frankly, was always like, I don't know,
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  because, you know, I think even when we started a podcast, it
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  might have been like three seasons.
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  Four Seasons. It was three seasons in at that
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  point, yeah. Yeah, we just kept laying that
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  monster get bigger and bigger. So then when the time came,
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  we're like, well, look what we got ourselves into now.
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  I remember when we were first like, should we do this?
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  It was around the time like the 4th season was coming out and I
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  was like or it had just come out and they announced like they
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  were going to do one more season.
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  I was like, let's just let them, like, finish it and then we'll
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  do it. And like, I always knew it was
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  going to be like a big stressful project, but I was like, it'll
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  be fine. I'll have lots of time to
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  prepare, you know? Not that, You know, I never
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  procrastinate on anything. So it won't be a problem.
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  It absolutely was a problem. I absolutely procrastinated.
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  But yeah, and it was fun. I've never seen it before, and
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  yes. And you refuse to tell me any of
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  your thoughts on it. You and I have now talked about
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  it, Daniel. Drum roll, please.
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  A dramatic, slow drum roll too. Elizabeth.
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  I absolute fucking lutely love the show.
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  I am obsessed with it. I I just finished the last
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  episode all of 20 minutes ago and I had to go like into the
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  bathroom and make sure my eyes are puffy from crying.
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  It's. So good.
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  I am obsessed. I love it so much and I just
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  feel like a loser for sleeping on this show.
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  Right. And it's like I've never like
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  ended a series and felt like, yes this is done, this is over.
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  Like it feels it feels so complete by the end.
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  Like you know the you, you're like, I know the whole story.
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  Like there's it doesn't leave you with any questions or any
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  like, oh like let your imagination run wild, which I
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  hate that personally. It's like it's like we've got a
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  story. We've got a beginning and an end
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  and we are going to show you everything, explain everything.
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  Niche is like who I want to be when I grow up sometimes.
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  Or Rose, you know. Right.
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  I yeah. It's just, I just thought it was
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  a perfectly executed show. Everything about it.
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  Everyone in the cast, I mean, everyone in the cast was
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  amazing. It wasn't just like the Midge
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  show, it was every single character was good.
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  The costumes, I mean, we're going to spend the next probably
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  3 hours talking about the costumes, the sets, the music,
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  the just It was so good. I I loved it all.
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  I don't think I loved the last season as much.
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  I was having a hard time with the flash forward moments.
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  But but the very last episode though was such like a strong
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  send off that almost made the Flash forwards feel better for
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  me. And I'll be honest, I felt the
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  same exact way the first time I watched the final season.
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  But I just, I literally binge through the whole thing in the
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  past like 2 weeks and second time around it felt so perfect.
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  Like, I think that's definitely a season where, like, when you
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  watch it again, you're like, OK, this makes sense.
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  I gotta let it simmer. I just a spoiler warning if you
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  all haven't seen Marvelous Mrs. Basil Yeah.
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  Don't come here for unspoiled content.
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  Right. Don't be like us and put the
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  show off. Just go watch it.
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  Well, Elizabeth has been watching the show.
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  I haven't. But yeah, I yeah, it just felt
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  like I was just sad watching the last season for so much.
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  But because it was so much of like, oh, Joel ends up going to
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  prison and Midge and Susie, like, you know, separate.
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  And it's just like, yeah, it just felt like a major bummer
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  for most of it. And I was like, what?
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  What was the point of this? Because it was such like a
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  positive show. But then like, once you got to
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  like that last episode, it just, I don't know, just brought it
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  all together. And I feel like they've been
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  thinking about the 5th season for a while.
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  But the first Four Seasons, though, I just felt were like,
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  like absolute gold. Absolutely, absolutely.
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  Well, Spencer, before we dive into this, do you want to give
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  us a summary? I certainly will.
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  How do you summarize the show when 1950s New York housewife
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  Midge Maisel is left by her husband?
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  She sees to picture perfect Upper East Side life.
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  She has been raised to inhabit Shatter, but instead of falling
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  apart as her society expected, Midge finds that she can pursue
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  a life of independence through the strength of her character
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  and a belief. Her new friend Susie has her by
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  building herself a career as a stand up comedian.
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  And that is a marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
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  Go watch it. It's on Amazon.
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  Almost everybody has Amazon. It's very vengeable, by the way.
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  Yeah, and I think the longest season is like 10 episodes.
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  Think most of them are like 8 or 9.
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  They fly by at some points. I actually didn't know what
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  season I was on. I was just like, I would look up
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  and it'd be dark outside of my what?
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  How many episodes did I just watch?
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  Yeah, it's nice. They flow together very nicely.
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  It's incredible. Go watch it and then come back
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  as we go behind the costumes with showrunner Amy Sherman
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  Palladino, who you will all know from Gilmore Girls and costume
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  designer Donna Zukowska. You will know Donna from a
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  childhood classic, Harriet the Spy Empire Falls, for which she
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  received her first Costume Designer Guild nomination.
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  A personal favorite of mine? Kate and Leopold, the HBO
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  miniseries John Adams for which she received her first Emmy and
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  Costume Designer Guild Award win.
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  Sons of Liberty, Turn, Washington Spies, and Every
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  season of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, which has has been
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  nominated for an Emmy one once Four Seasons, have gotten
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  Costume Designer Guild nominations and won for seasons
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  2:00 and 3:00. Yeah, I mean, she was racking
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  Indies awards to the point where I felt like I was almost kind of
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  annoyed because I always knew like, Oh well, it's gonna go to
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  Marvelous Mrs. Nasal. But I had no context.
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  I always found it annoying, and now I feel annoying.
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  I. Remember you being like, oh,
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  yeah, Marvelous. Mrs. Nasal was nominated and I
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  was like, yeah, let's go. And you were like, I guess,
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  yeah. And now I'm the dumb because, I
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  mean, Donna kills with the show. There's so many costumes.
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  It's incredible. It's so incredible.
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  It's so incredible that during the pandemic, which pretty much
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  happened between seasons like 3:00 and 4:00, there's a huge
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  gap in time. During that time, Donna decided
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  to write Madly Marvelous the costumes of the Marvelous Missus
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  Maisel. Wow.
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  A big ass book filled with like pictures of her sketches, you
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  know, behind the scenes photos, so much information about how
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  she got to all of these like incredible, incredible looks and
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  just like her thought processes behind them.
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  So if y'all loved this show, like get this book because like
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  we're maybe like there may be a tenth of the information in here
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  made it into our episode, like that's how much is in this book.
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  So definitely, if you want more information, especially about
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  the first three seasons, get Madly Marvelous.
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  I'm gonna order it right after this.
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  I hope she. Does another, Yeah.
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  I hope she writes another one for the last two seasons.
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  Like that would be incredible. Incredible.
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  Wow. So incredible.
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  And it's so incredible that with the exception of one quote, all
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  of our information for the first three seasons will be coming
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  from her book Madly Marvelous. The costumes of the marvelous
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  misses Nasal. So if I don't say where a quote
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  is from in these in this first like however first three
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  seasons, it's because it's all from the book.
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  It's from the book. And in the book, Madonna talks
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  about how a lot of her early life and growing up really
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  translated into the marvelous Mrs. Maisel, especially her love
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  of color. In the book, she says.
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  As a child, my favorite plaything was my paint box, and
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  the great passion of my life has been playing with color like a
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  cook or a chemist. Mixing, testing, measuring,
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  distilling, refining. Convinced there's something
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  undeniably magical in the creation and experience of color
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  after studying painting for many years, from the Brooklyn Museum
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  Art School to the Paris at Cold des View Arts.
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  Apologies if I said that wrong. My childhood passion ultimately
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  led to a life and costume design and then serendipitously, the
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  development of the Natalie Marvelous Paint box for the
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  Marvelous Missus Maisel. That's so cool.
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  It is. And she really talks about how
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  this show was. She really defined the costumes
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  by their colors and there are two very specific color palettes
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  that she used, one for the Upper East Side and one for downtown
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  and she says of the Upper East Side.
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  In many ways, the Uptown scenes were extensions into the present
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  tense of the Rose colored world of flashbacks, the idealized
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  world and lifestyle so ardently cherished by Midge at the
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  beginning of the Series. A bubble of post war, upper
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  middle class affluence and optimism, in which both Midge
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  and Rose ostenibly emulate the conventional 1950s role of women
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  as professional, wise house makers and mothers living the
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  dream meant living the myth in a surface world of artificial
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  happiness, a world of conformity and order, the world of the
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  Upper West Side. Man it's gonna be one of those
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  episodes is it's. Gonna be one of those episodes.
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  And it's really true. Like everything.
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  Everything of the world she grew up in, of, you know, the world
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  she was raised to believe. Like, this is how it goes, is
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  cheerful, is colorful. Like there's so many pastels and
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  bright colors. It's just like a flood of color.
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  Yeah, it's it's actually really kind of interesting because I
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  feel like that's why I had such a hard time with the 5th season
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  because especially beginning of this show, it's very bright and
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  positive. And yeah, it is artificial in
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  the sense that, you know, especially Minge is like trying
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  to tell herself that everything's OK and she had this
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  perfect life and whatnot. So then as you go through the
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  series and you start to see like the real ugly world that we
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  could live in. Sometimes it is hard.
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  It it, it's really interesting how you she uses that color to
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  create the artificial happiness in a world that's.
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  I mean it's New York City, so it's not that far away, you
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  know, but it feels like a fantasy world, but it's not.
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  And then we have the downtown world, which is very different.
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  And she used a much darker color palette.
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  As she explains in the book, saying in the late 50s there
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  were significant social and cultural divides between the
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  various neighborhoods of Manhattan, epitomized in the
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  series by the gulf between the worlds of Uptown and downtown,
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  the staid bourgeois and unruly, rebellious, bohemian in the
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  self-conscious attempt to display a poise of indifference
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  to fashion wear. Clothes sweaters and sweatshirts
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  were rampant and the palette was generally darker and earthier,
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  paired with the archetypal beatnik penchant for black
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  capris jeans, Leotard's turtlenecks, a colour or non
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  colour that was basically taboo in the upper middle class
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  circles apart from formal wear. Yeah, I mean it is is true like
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  Elizabeth put together, like some colleges of the different
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  colours for the two different sides of town.
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  And it is very I didn't actually really notice that until now.
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  But just like the Total Dark and like Dive Bar, color palette is
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  very prominent in all of the downtown scenes.
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  Absolutely. Especially when like those
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  scenes when like Joel and Midge are going downtown together
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  before they're separated, it's like they can they do a 180 on
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  their whole look. It's completely different to
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  kind of like fit in with the downtown scene and continuing on
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  with this importance and color. There were two.
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  She put a lot of, you know, emphasis on a lot of the colors
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  that Midge wore. But two of the ones that stood
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  out to me were obviously pink. Pink is like the main color
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  through the series. It's Midge's favorite, and it's
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  a touchstone through the whole series.
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  And Donna talks about it in the book, saying I felt that Midge
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  first needed to be seen in what would then become her emblematic
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  color. So pink in the first episode
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  would be a badge of identity and a source of strength, and then
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  in some time, conspicuous, sometimes subtle ways continue
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  to resurface in her wardrobe throughout the series.
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  Yeah. Which absolutely to the very
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  end. Yeah, we've.
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  Seen it in pink. Yeah, And it was always, it's
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  just like when you saw her in pink, you knew that was just
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  like her in her most like, powerful form.
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  Yes. She used color very in smart
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  ways. And it felt like when she had
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  like a big show, she would then put the pink down and go to like
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  a black, too. She was very like conscious and
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  what she did with her colors. Absolutely.
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  And another color she was very conscious of using was green
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  saying, I began to think of green coats as being worn in
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  scenes of her heroic independence.
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  And that's so true. Like the first scene she
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  mentions in the book is when she's in Washington Square Park
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  and starts to talk in support of not filling the road.
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  She has that beautiful, like, green coat on.
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  And then it got me thinking. I remember when she's like
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  running into Milo in the park. She wears a lot of green and
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  it's really her like stepping out of her comfort zone and
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  being like I'm an independent woman who can pursue a
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  relationship with a man if I want to.
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  She's a pioneer or an explorer. Yeah, she wears a lot of green
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  and I I just love that. And but like, I wanna almost
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  watch the series over again. Cuz like I read the majority of
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  this when I was like already pretty deep into the series.
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  Just to kind of see like, OK, where does that resurface?
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  Where does that come up? But Spencer, I don't know about
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  you, but I am so ready to jump into the series after this
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  break. Oh look, I'm buckled in and
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  ready to go. I there's a lot of costumes to
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  talk about. So put on your favorite hat and
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  let's let's get this going. Oh yeah.
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  All right, Elizabeth. How Are you ready to get into
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  the marvelous, Mrs. Maisel? Even more than we already have.
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  You know it. So how are we going to do this?
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  Because we have five seasons and 5 million costumes.
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  So we're going to be going season by season and just
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  touching on what is most important, and one of the most
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  important looks from the first season is Midge's.
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  Wedding. Gown for yeah, her marriage to
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  Joel. And we have the beautiful Rachel
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  Brosnahan as Miriam Mitch Maisel.
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  And, like, this is literally one of the first things you see her
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  in. And you're just like, Oh my
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  gosh, like, this is beautiful. This is a fairy tale.
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  And Donna saw Midge's wedding as the overture of the first season
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  and wanted her to look like a cloud floating freely over a sea
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  of pale, delicate tones. So, like, you'll see, like her
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  bridal party is wearing like this seafoam green.
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  A lot of the guests are wearing like some like more subtle
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  pastel colors or just like a strong color for the ones
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  towards the back and then like the bander in this, like
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  beautiful salmon pink jackets. And she is just the absolute
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  center of attention wearing this beautiful but simple gown.
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  And she said she wanted midgets dress to be exquisitely feminine
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  but more minimalist then classic 1950s layer cake gowns, which
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  cause like, I was like for a second I was like, what was she
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  talking about? And then I thought of cause like
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  this is, this is like the age my grandparents, my grandmothers
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  would be. Like, they got married in the
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  50s, and I immediately thought of their, like, wedding
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  pictures. And it's like, yeah, they had
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  these like, huge gowns that really did make them look like
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  cake toppers. But obviously this is being
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  watched by a modern audience and Midge isn't exactly like your
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  average woman of the 1950s. So Donna drew inspiration from
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  the Givenchy wedding gown Audrey Hepburn wears and funny face.
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  Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, now that I'm
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  looking at a picture, it looks pretty close.
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  Yeah. And it makes sense too, because
• 24:56
  it is for more. A modern audience is watching it
• 24:59
  and it just feels, you know, Midge is very smart in her
• 25:02
  silhouettes and how much skin she's showing, how much skin
• 25:06
  she's not showing. She's really good at her fabrics
• 25:10
  and it just works. If it, if the dress is any
• 25:13
  bigger in this very crowded room because there's lots of people
• 25:16
  this wedding, it would have been overwhelming.
• 25:18
  So it's it's amazing. And this dress, to me just says
• 25:21
  like everything about what the show's going to be and who
• 25:24
  Miriam is like right off the bat, you know that there's lots
• 25:27
  of money involved. They're very well off.
• 25:31
  But also, she likes to be the center of attention, which is
• 25:33
  why she's in the center of the room.
• 25:36
  Funny, just has like a great eye for details.
• 25:40
  Absolutely. I do love how this, you know,
• 25:44
  picture perfect image is established and then just like
• 25:48
  immediately destroyed in the first episode because she starts
• 25:54
  out in probably one of the most iconic pieces of the show,
• 26:00
  Midge's pink coat, which is inspired by the 1950s swing
• 26:06
  coat, which Donna really wanted to kind of be like a superhero
• 26:11
  coat that carries midge from her idyllic life through her
• 26:17
  breakdown at the gaslight. And I'm like, it really does
• 26:24
  that, 'cause she's got like this beautiful wool coat that just,
• 26:28
  you know, glides her through in New York City.
• 26:33
  And then she also wears these beautiful nightgowns.
• 26:37
  And then when you see her, when she's been through the rain,
• 26:41
  when she's like, so drunk, she barely remembers what happens.
• 26:46
  It just, like, comes together perfectly.
• 26:51
  You're like, Oh yeah, this person is not used to having,
• 26:54
  you know, the route pulled out from under them.
• 26:57
  Essentially, like, her life did just change in a matter of like
• 27:01
  30 seconds. Yeah, the costume really adds
• 27:04
  to, like, the unhinged nature where she's feeling that right
• 27:07
  now because she's wearing what? Like what You know any other
• 27:12
  time look absolutely flawless on her but the way it's just like
• 27:15
  hanging on her when it's all wet and just like falling apart and
• 27:19
  it's just it's startling and it's it is an iconic that pink
• 27:23
  coat. I I love it.
• 27:25
  It is a staple. Spencer It is so iconic.
• 27:30
  That coat now lives at the Smithsonian.
• 27:32
  Of course it does, and as it should.
• 27:34
  As it should. As it should.
• 27:37
  I might work at the Smithsonian soon to just stand by a security
• 27:41
  and just protect it honestly. We should see if they have job
• 27:44
  openings. Yeah, yeah, we could get an
• 27:46
  apartment together. We could like go live in
• 27:48
  Washington for a little bit and just go.
• 27:51
  Hey, I'm into it. You know, I love a good museum,
• 27:53
  so. Let's go, let's do this.
• 27:57
  So one of the major things in Niche's world as she starts to
• 28:04
  build her new life, becoming a comic, is she kind of like wants
• 28:08
  to be taken seriously. She just wants to do comedy,
• 28:12
  Comedy. She's always like, I don't sing,
• 28:13
  I don't have a gimmick. I don't like, I don't do that.
• 28:16
  And everyone's like, but you're a woman.
• 28:18
  That's Isn't that how you make it?
• 28:20
  What's your gimmick? What's going on here?
• 28:23
  It's always like, do you sing? Like, no, I don't sing.
• 28:27
  They're like you're pretty. This doesn't make sense.
• 28:31
  The foil for her character through this whole series is
• 28:35
  Sophie Lennon who play who is in the series the highest paid
• 28:40
  female comedian with her character Sophie from Queens.
• 28:46
  And this incredible character is played by Jane Lynch and I just
• 28:53
  love cause Sophie from Queens. This is kind of like homely,
• 28:57
  brash, like New York woman who everyone just finds hilarious.
• 29:04
  But then Sophie Lennon is like the most stuck out person I
• 29:10
  think I've ever seen on television.
• 29:12
  Suddenly becomes Agnes van Ryan in the 19. 50s.
• 29:17
  Like I love Jane Lynch kills this character.
• 29:22
  She is so over the top you see. Like this kooky character that
• 29:26
  she plays, but then when you go to her house, you know, I was
• 29:29
  immediately attached. I was like, I love me some
• 29:32
  Sophie Lennon, and her costumes only get better throughout the
• 29:35
  series. She's that character that pops
• 29:38
  up at like the worst times. But then you like, kind of love
• 29:41
  to see it though, because she just comes in like the craziest
• 29:44
  costumes and I just love her for it.
• 29:47
  I love her too, especially when she's just Sophie Lennon,
• 29:50
  because she just has the most, like, expensive designer clothes
• 29:55
  you could possibly have at the time.
• 29:58
  And it's hilarious. I love how Midge is like like,
• 30:03
  what is this? What are you doing?
• 30:05
  What is? Wrong.
• 30:07
  Yeah, she's like, what is wrong? With just being yourself and
• 30:12
  that being enough to help you succeed, which in the final
• 30:18
  moments of the first season is really what Midge achieves.
• 30:23
  At the end of season one, we get to see the first of what Donna's
• 30:26
  team would call Nidges limelight looks as she makes her official
• 30:32
  debut as Missus Maisel. Donna said Amy had a black dress
• 30:41
  and pearls in mind for this moment, and Donna once again
• 30:44
  found inspiration from Audrey Hepburn and her Sabrina cocktail
• 30:49
  dress. I love this.
• 30:51
  This is one of my favorite costumes for an entire series.
• 30:55
  It's just it she it is her premiere, her big debut, and
• 31:00
  she's this is like literally I'm, I am Iron Man moment.
• 31:03
  She comes out like I am Mrs. Maisel and it's just everything
• 31:07
  is just polished right down to a tee.
• 31:09
  It just looks right and the pearls and the light hits her
• 31:13
  right. I audibly gasped when I saw this
• 31:15
  costume on her. It's so perfect and it's exactly
• 31:19
  who she wants to be because, like, through this whole series,
• 31:23
  she's like going to nightclubs, watching other comedians, pretty
• 31:28
  much all like male comedians, because that's all it was at the
• 31:33
  time. And they're all polished and
• 31:36
  like, have these beautiful suits and get up there and be funny
• 31:40
  the way she wants to be funny. And that is her saying, you
• 31:44
  know, like if they can be who they are and still be considered
• 31:48
  funny, then I can be who I am and still be considered funny,
• 31:53
  and that this dress is the epitome of that.
• 31:55
  Yeah, it is so good. And it's in that black too.
• 31:57
  Like we mentioned in the downtown area, it would have
• 32:01
  looked off if she's wearing like a neon pink, you know?
• 32:04
  So I think that the black really works well.
• 32:06
  So such a good one. I'm obsessed with this look.
• 32:10
  Absolutely. And that bring us brings us into
• 32:14
  Season 2, which is just a whole magical season within.
• 32:21
  I think Season 2 actually might be my favorite.
• 32:23
  I might be with you on that one. Season 2 is so great especially
• 32:27
  because of their trip to the Catskills.
• 32:29
  It is so. Good, Spencer.
• 32:32
  We're going to get there. We're going to get there, but
• 32:35
  first we have to talk about a very important character.
• 32:38
  We have Susie Myerson, played by Alex Borstein.
• 32:42
  Oh, Susie Myerson from Susie Myerson and Associates.
• 32:47
  I love Alex Borstein. As Susie I've, I mean I've been
• 32:51
  a fan of Alex Borstein going all the back to Mad TV and this just
• 32:55
  felt like a real like she kills it in this role.
• 32:58
  A real coming homes, full circle moment.
• 33:01
  Such a good character. It's so, so good.
• 33:05
  So hilarious. And Donna talks about her
• 33:10
  wardrobe in the book, saying Susie's clothing was designed to
• 33:15
  make her feel safe and look tough.
• 33:19
  And since it was clear from the start that she wouldn't have
• 33:21
  much variation in her wardrobe, every element had to be spot on.
• 33:28
  They started with her signature leather jacket, a vintage piece
• 33:31
  that they had to recreate after the first season because it
• 33:34
  dried out to the point that she couldn't move in it anymore and
• 33:38
  it could not be used. And honestly, reproductions of
• 33:45
  vintage pieces is really what her wardrobe is.
• 33:49
  Her pants are reproductions of Swedish Army pants and her boots
• 33:55
  Donna bought years before in Vienna.
• 33:58
  Wow, that's perfect. And it always is.
• 34:01
  Just finished off with like, the cherry and the top with the hat.
• 34:04
  She always has like, a good hat. Oh, that's so good.
• 34:08
  I think that's why her and Mitch get along.
• 34:10
  Susie won't admit it, but she loves a good hat, too.
• 34:12
  Oh, this show is the show if you want to talk about hats.
• 34:17
  I will never watch another show and see a hat and not think of
• 34:20
  the marvelous missus maisel. That's another thing.
• 34:23
  If you want to about the hats in this show, read the book.
• 34:25
  I just couldn't put it in this. It's.
• 34:28
  Just not enough. Time.
• 34:29
  Not enough time. My favorite bit in this show is
• 34:33
  probably Susie with the toilet plunger.
• 34:37
  And then it becomes this entire dialogue, her parents thinking
• 34:42
  that Susie's a plumber. It's so stupid and I love it.
• 34:47
  It made me laugh every time Rose would be like, and why is your
• 34:50
  friend lying about being a plumber?
• 34:53
  You know so good? It is so.
• 34:55
  Great, and her parents are incredible.
• 34:58
  Elizabeth Guess My favorite character.
• 35:00
  Rose Weissman, Yes, Since season one, I was like, Rose Weissman
• 35:09
  is my favorite character, and I ended the series of Rose as my
• 35:12
  favorite. Character.
• 35:12
  Like once again, like if I don't end up like a slightly snobby,
• 35:18
  but like really put together older woman who always looks
• 35:21
  fabulous, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my.
• 35:24
  She's so good. And Tony Shalob as Abe also.
• 35:29
  I just I cannot with this pairing.
• 35:33
  All the parents in the show were so good.
• 35:35
  Yes, Marin Henkel, as Rose and the two of them together.
• 35:40
  They kill it. They just kill it.
• 35:42
  They really do. It's perfect.
• 35:45
  They are so funny together. They're funny separately.
• 35:48
  I just they they could have a spin if they were to make like a
• 35:52
  spin off show where it like had no midge in it and it was just
• 35:55
  about like Rose and Abe in their everyday life.
• 35:58
  If they want to make a spin off series about how they met in the
• 36:03
  20s. Oh, that'd be good.
• 36:06
  When I apparently Rose was always in France and from
• 36:10
  Oklahoma, and eight was offsetting government buildings
• 36:13
  on fire. I would watch that all day long.
• 36:16
  Or the one that takes place in, like, what, the 70s, when Rose
• 36:20
  is like this old matchmaker who's walking around like
• 36:24
  Liberace all the time and like just massacring commercials.
• 36:30
  Like, I would watch that too. It's so good.
• 36:32
  It's so good and season two starts off in the most hilarious
• 36:38
  way when Rose just decides to run away to France on a win.
• 36:43
  The melodramatic France storyline.
• 36:45
  I could have watched the entire season of that and even if Midge
• 36:49
  was in it or not, I would have watched it.
• 36:51
  It's like it is so incredible, and Donna saw even rose in
• 36:58
  France as two people who who were rediscovering themselves
• 37:03
  and created a more bohemian look for them.
• 37:08
  Abe turned away from the academic tweed to looks that fit
• 37:12
  in with the cafe scene in Paris, while Rose left behind her
• 37:17
  Chanel suits for what Donna called her schoolgirl Bohemian
• 37:21
  look, which is so true. Like, Rose is so relaxed in
• 37:26
  Paris, like, you meet her in Paris and you're like, is this
• 37:32
  the same character? Like it was all I was almost
• 37:35
  like did they recast the role, like really well?
• 37:39
  Totally. For a second you're like, what
• 37:41
  happened? So that just feels like a whole
• 37:43
  different person. But she's just, she's just like,
• 37:46
  her walls are like down for a second.
• 37:49
  This is like her like in her chill version.
• 37:52
  Absolutely. Same for Abe.
• 37:54
  It's kind of like this is the first time where like you get a
• 37:57
  sense that like, oh, he was not always this like stuck up
• 38:01
  academic person as he, you know, makes the effort to see what
• 38:07
  Rose loves about Paris and comes to love it himself.
• 38:11
  Unfortunately for Rose, he's like, I gotta go back to work.
• 38:15
  Yeah. Dude, we have to go home.
• 38:18
  I get it though. Rose is like, please don't make
• 38:20
  me go. Especially after she found that
• 38:22
  beautiful apartment like. Yeah, honestly, I was.
• 38:27
  I was, you know, I kept telling you I wasn't going to talk to
• 38:30
  you. I watched the show, which I kept
• 38:32
  up with. You did.
• 38:33
  I was proud of you. I so badly wanted to text you at
• 38:36
  this scene. I was gonna like, if Rose stays
• 38:38
  in, you know, France and like, gets written off the show or
• 38:41
  something and they get the voice, I will stop watching like
• 38:44
  I was. I was so nervous.
• 38:46
  I was like, please, Rose, come home.
• 38:48
  I'm scared. That would have been fair, and
• 38:52
  she leaves France in the most dramatic fashion for Rose's
• 38:56
  final look in Paris. Donna said I wanted her to look
• 39:00
  like she was dressed for the finale of an old Hollywood
• 39:04
  melodrama and use the French flag as inspiration for the
• 39:09
  colors of the outfit. That is a A+ costume.
• 39:14
  It is. So the way that she gets into
• 39:16
  the car, turns around and looks back at her apartment and raises
• 39:20
  her hood, that is Rose Weissman's way of like, flipping
• 39:24
  everyone off and saying fuck you like she's had it.
• 39:29
  That was her way of doing that. Like the way the hood is so long
• 39:32
  too, and like, fits over her hair.
• 39:34
  She's just like I cannot, I cannot deal with this.
• 39:39
  So dramatic and I love her for it.
• 39:42
  It is so perfect and like you feel you're like, wait, why are
• 39:45
  they leaving Paris? What could possibly be better
• 39:49
  than Paris this season than having a season in Paris?
• 39:53
  A season that Cat Scales is. What?
• 39:56
  Could be better. Oh my gosh, I love this
• 40:00
  storyline too. Also, I never heard of the
• 40:02
  Catskills. I literally Googled it.
• 40:04
  They're there to see if it's a real thing.
• 40:06
  It is. I looked it up.
• 40:08
  I had heard of the cat scales. I think 'cause?
• 40:11
  I I think the first time I heard about it was 'cause I think
• 40:14
  Dirty Dancing, I think that's the series I think that takes
• 40:17
  place, also takes place in the cat scales this, the episodes
• 40:23
  and the cat scales are incredible.
• 40:26
  And this is the episode that won her her second Emmy.
• 40:31
  Oh, nice. And Donna talked to
• 40:35
  aboutamazon.com about her nomination and these episodes,
• 40:40
  saying the Catskills episode really captured a world that you
• 40:45
  don't see very often. It represented a very special
• 40:49
  time when people were playful. We had the opportunity to go
• 40:54
  outside of the urban world and create play clothing, which was
• 40:58
  very much what people wore when they visited the Cats scales for
• 41:03
  a moment of release. I think it reminded a lot of
• 41:06
  people of their grandparents and the stories they've heard about
• 41:10
  the world during that time, which absolutely like I feel
• 41:18
  when I see these, I'm like, oh, these are the looks.
• 41:20
  When I look at like old pictures, I'm like, that's when
• 41:23
  I'm like, oh, look at that, like they had such a good style.
• 41:27
  Yeah, and they're just, it's true, like these are their play
• 41:29
  clothes, which is crazy to me. And it also just makes you
• 41:33
  realize how funny society is now, how you know, we don't
• 41:37
  really dress for the moment. These people were dressed at all
• 41:40
  hours of the day, you know, So their play clothes are for me
• 41:44
  what would be like a black tie type event.
• 41:48
  Absolutely a special especially the dress she wears when she
• 41:51
  first gets there and when it came to Ninja's Catskills looks,
• 41:58
  Donna said her first instinct was it's time to use yellow and
• 42:04
  also proceeded to put her in florals for the first time.
• 42:10
  That yellow dress with the the white like cat eye sunglasses
• 42:15
  and the little. I don't even know what you call
• 42:17
  that kind of headwear. Yeah, that like fascinator.
• 42:23
  Thing. Yeah, I love her.
• 42:24
  In her office, she had like a glass box.
• 42:27
  That's not like in case of Catskills break, you know, like
• 42:30
  break a case of Catskills, bring out the yellow.
• 42:33
  Bring out the yellow like everyone is just like it is
• 42:36
  vacation time and they're vacationing for like 3 months,
• 42:40
  which I like. May I may I do that?
• 42:43
  Please even though the actual vacation does not look fun, like
• 42:47
  all these group activities, there's so many people in that
• 42:50
  little room. I yeah, I don't know if I would
• 42:53
  enjoy the group activities, but having the option to enjoy the
• 42:57
  group activities, I would really like that.
• 43:00
  I appreciate the invite, so please don't let this dissuade
• 43:04
  anyone from inviting me to any three month long vacations.
• 43:07
  I will definitely have my team consider it.
• 43:10
  I'll definitely be there. Whether or not you see me is
• 43:15
  gonna be a different story. And if I get to just go on like
• 43:19
  dates on a boat with like someone that my matchmaker mom
• 43:23
  set me up with and then get to like judge a swimsuit contest
• 43:26
  the next day, I'm I'm there. I'm happy and love that you
• 43:32
  mentioned the boat date because we have the incredible Zachary
• 43:38
  Levi playing Benjamin Midge's love interest of the season and
• 43:43
  I was so sad when they didn't make it 'cause I love Zachary
• 43:47
  Levi and I wanted him on the rest of the season.
• 43:52
  I didn't like them together, so I was happy, but I also didn't
• 43:56
  like any. Well, there was one person I
• 43:59
  liked for Midge, and it was not Zachary and it was not Joel.
• 44:05
  Yeah, Joel, I like that. Like through the whole season.
• 44:09
  It's like clearly like she the reason none of these other
• 44:12
  relationships worked out was because she was always in love
• 44:15
  with Joel. She didn't want that to end.
• 44:18
  But I really liked Benjamin because I think if she had just
• 44:22
  like, had an open dialogue with him, I think he would have let
• 44:26
  her do whatever the fuck she wanted for the rest of her life.
• 44:29
  For sure, Yeah. That whole diner scene where
• 44:32
  they have the explosion and the whole time I was like, sorry,
• 44:35
  Midge, I'm on his side and I don't even like him.
• 44:37
  Yeah. 'Cause he also like I when he
• 44:41
  she sends him the Dear John letter, he's like, you know, I
• 44:44
  accepted it, like he's like, I didn't like it, but I accepted
• 44:47
  it. And then her mother ruins it.
• 44:50
  But anyway, back to the boat lock, which this is one of my
• 44:55
  favorite looks from the whole series and really epitomizes the
• 44:59
  fact that overall for the Cats scales, Donna wanted a midges
• 45:03
  wardrobe to be whimsical and fun like dresses like the dress on
• 45:09
  the boat with Benjamin. Donna base this look on the
• 45:12
  1950s playsuit that they created from vintage fabric paired with
• 45:18
  a hand painted lampshade hat. I love that.
• 45:25
  It's so perfect and just like all the looks one after the
• 45:29
  other. Just perfect.
• 45:30
  Perfect, Perfect. Including Abe's jumpsuit.
• 45:34
  Oh my gosh, that one was so good.
• 45:36
  I they I loved how they were hyping it up, especially being a
• 45:39
  costume nerd. I was like, oh, I gotta see
• 45:41
  whatever it is that he's warning or what about.
• 45:44
  I actually don't think it's that bad.
• 45:46
  I definitely think he's being overdramatic.
• 45:48
  But for him, I get why he's scared, because he would never
• 45:51
  be caught dead in this. For the time and for him,
• 45:54
  absolutely and. So form fitting and the bottom
• 45:59
  half. So Form fitting and I Love Donna
• 46:05
  was inspired by Jack Lalanne, a popular TV exercises instructor
• 46:14
  from the 1950s, and paired that with a geometric sports pattern
• 46:22
  that was very popular at the time.
• 46:25
  But I love how she used Jack as an inspiration, 'cause I
• 46:30
  actually already kind of knew who he was, 'cause he was like a
• 46:36
  pioneer in like recorded and televised, like exercise
• 46:41
  routines. Yeah, I don't remember how I
• 46:44
  found out about him, but as I. Mean.
• 46:46
  Hey, you're an expert in exercise, so yeah, sure.
• 46:53
  But as soon as she mentioned him, I knew like, I was like, Oh
• 46:55
  my gosh, absolutely. That's exactly like the like Abe
• 47:00
  watches this man in secret and like.
• 47:04
  Has. Memorized his routines and does
• 47:07
  them in the cat scales. Oh, it's so good.
• 47:10
  And there's just so many costumes in this episode in
• 47:13
  general. I mean, there's the the bathing
• 47:16
  suit competition. There's just like the crowd
• 47:18
  scenes in general or when they go exploring.
• 47:21
  There's so much. There's so much.
• 47:23
  I also love that, like, they didn't contain it to just one
• 47:25
  episode. I love that it's just like
• 47:27
  several episodes of just this, like just look after look after
• 47:32
  look. And it's just the most fun.
• 47:37
  And at the end of season 2, we get introduced to a very famous
• 47:42
  singer who hires Midge. This is her first big break.
• 47:48
  Shai Baldwin hires Midge to be his opening act, and Season
• 47:55
  Season 3 opens with their USO performance.
• 48:01
  That was a fun one. That was a fun one because it
• 48:04
  was it was very, I mean, in ways you can almost kind of predict
• 48:08
  what you're going to see a little bit, you know, there's
• 48:09
  going to be lots of red, white and blue for sure.
• 48:12
  But of course, Midge like puts her own like Miss Maisel spin on
• 48:16
  it, though. It is very marvelous.
• 48:18
  Missus Maisel. Absolutely.
• 48:20
  And Donna said her performance dress meant to be theatrically
• 48:26
  patriotic. I thought of Midge and her
• 48:30
  costume as a restless human flag of sorts with her big red bow
• 48:35
  trailing behind. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Like that makes sense. I love the bow.
• 48:40
  I did love how it did follow behind her.
• 48:43
  It was very cute. It was so cute.
• 48:44
  I also love from the front. It's like a very like simple,
• 48:47
  basic, beautiful dress. But the moment she turns around,
• 48:50
  it's like, oh, there is fun and flair in this look.
• 48:55
  There is also fun and flair and shy Baldwin's suits.
• 49:02
  Donna used a wool fabric with iridescent threads woven
• 49:06
  throughout to give him a shimmering effect and his backup
• 49:11
  singers also had metallic under layers to create a shimmery
• 49:16
  glow. This is a holiday performance
• 49:19
  and like I feel like Shy and his backup singers, they really they
• 49:24
  like glow with like Christmas snow energy.
• 49:30
  They were always glowing. I did like the Shy storyline was
• 49:33
  a great storyline. There always was like a
• 49:37
  theatricality to his costumes and also his backup singers when
• 49:41
  they go to Vegas. I love that storyline too.
• 49:43
  The Vegas I'm a big fan of like vintage 1950s, sixties Vegas era
• 49:49
  and like the the Elvis era, the just all the singers is such a
• 49:54
  fun time in Vegas and it just gave me a lot of life.
• 49:58
  Donna killed it with those episodes it.
• 50:00
  Is so fantastic and Leroy McClain who plays shy like spot
• 50:06
  on, spot on we have some more Sophie Lennon of.
• 50:13
  Course she's back. In season three, season three
• 50:17
  sees Sophie try and pursue a career in theater by playing the
• 50:23
  title role in the play Miss Julie and begins to rehearse
• 50:30
  with the renowned actor Gavin played by Carrie Elwis, which I
• 50:37
  just think this pairing is so hilarious like I can never not
• 50:41
  think of him in Princess Bride whenever I see him, but I didn't
• 50:48
  realize it was him till this last time I watched it cause
• 50:52
  like his role is so small but like with Sophie Lennon, like
• 50:58
  the pairing is hilarious. Yeah, they made the hits count.
• 51:02
  They had a lot of great, like, little cameos that sometimes you
• 51:05
  just weren't prepared for. It you really weren't.
• 51:09
  And Donna really crafted his looks after choreographers like
• 51:14
  Gene Kelly, and she really changed it up for Sophie's
• 51:21
  rehearsal looks. Doing a simplified 19th century
• 51:25
  skirt and sweaters like this is the most dressed down I think
• 51:30
  you ever see, Sophie Lennon. And it's not even dressed down.
• 51:35
  Yeah, I feel like she's giving another like Agnes Van Ryan
• 51:39
  look, though, honestly. Like this time it's in costume,
• 51:42
  but it feels very like Gilded Age.
• 51:44
  It looks great on her though. It's a great costume till she
• 51:47
  starts ripping it apart on stage.
• 51:49
  That was very This show was very good at building tension, just
• 51:55
  like those awkward moments where you just wanted to crawl inside
• 51:57
  of yourself. You know, like when Sophie
• 51:59
  Lennon's bombing this performance or just whenever,
• 52:02
  like Midge would start to, like, bomb a set.
• 52:04
  It would happen every once in a while.
• 52:06
  And I just want to, like, hide, you know?
• 52:09
  They were so good at doing that. It was so good.
• 52:13
  It was so cringy. What was not cringy, though,
• 52:17
  were any of her looks for Shai's tour.
• 52:22
  They were so incredible, and Donna said the procession of
• 52:30
  black dresses was meant to create continuity with variety
• 52:35
  for midges on stage persona. All of her limelight looks were
• 52:39
  quintessentially theatrical, and to me they were the outward
• 52:45
  manifestation of both her dialogue with the world and the
• 52:49
  ongoing dialogue with herself about her identity as a
• 52:52
  performer. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of
• 52:55
  good ones. I have to say.
• 52:56
  My favorite was when she saw that big grand staircase and she
• 53:00
  was like, wait, I gotta go walk up to the top of this thing and
• 53:03
  just walk down in this fringy dress and she ate that.
• 53:08
  I mean, she knew she would. That she did.
• 53:10
  She absolutely did. And I really feel like this
• 53:15
  season, like you get to see so many of these limelight looks,
• 53:19
  and Donna really took that opportunity to also evolve them,
• 53:26
  she said. For this gorgeous black and pink
• 53:31
  floral number, she said the Lenny date dress, for which I
• 53:36
  chose a strikingly bold pink and black floral pattern that I felt
• 53:41
  would be emotionally powerful. But with shoulder straps made
• 53:46
  from pink tulle for a balletic touch of lightness, this dress
• 53:52
  would be seen at the TV taping of Miami after dark at the Cuban
• 53:58
  Club Lenny's Hotel, and then after a long, basically
• 54:01
  sleepless night by the fountain blue pool against the improbable
• 54:08
  backdrop of an early morning water ballet.
• 54:12
  Oh my gosh, that was a crazy moment.
• 54:14
  It was so crazy, and since this was the first really romantic
• 54:18
  interlude, Midge shares with Lenny, it had to be memorable.
• 54:23
  And it is. This is who you wanted her with,
• 54:26
  wasn't it Spencer? Yes.
• 54:27
  I love Lenny, Bruce and Midge together.
• 54:31
  They were. Why couldn't you give me that?
• 54:34
  I wanted it so bad. They were.
• 54:37
  He was so great and they just worked together.
• 54:40
  I that's what I felt like. If she had a guy, this is what
• 54:44
  she needed. Yeah, it was like this kind of
• 54:46
  like rough and tumble. Like still understands her
• 54:50
  artistically and supports her, but he also has his own things
• 54:54
  going on, his own demons and he's funny and attractive.
• 54:58
  Oh man, I love Letty Bruce. I loved him, too.
• 55:01
  I was kind of disappointed because at the end of season,
• 55:04
  oh, jumping ahead by the end of season four, you're like, is
• 55:08
  this, is this gonna happen, right?
• 55:10
  And when it doesn't, in season five, I was like, come on.
• 55:13
  Season 5 in that department felt like a smack to the face.
• 55:17
  I do not understand what happened in that very last
• 55:19
  episode where Sophie, not Sophie.
• 55:23
  Susie goes to like, you know, scout him out and add him to the
• 55:27
  roster I guess. And he's just like down and out
• 55:30
  of his luck. It just felt to me not
• 55:31
  necessary. I forget who his character is
• 55:35
  based off, but his character is based off a real person.
• 55:39
  So I'll read more into it. Yeah, it was a bummer, but yeah,
• 55:43
  such a great character. And that date night look that
• 55:46
  you're talking about, it was very cute.
• 55:48
  And also I think they were, like you mentioned, they were in
• 55:51
  Miami at the time. So it does have a little bit of
• 55:54
  a, you know, Miami flair, the Miami costumes, especially in
• 55:57
  this time period, like there, it was a time and place and Midge
• 56:02
  just fits right in, of course. Absolutely.
• 56:04
  She knows how to dress the part from Miami to Las Vegas.
• 56:11
  Her first Las Vegas limelight look is incredible, and Donna
• 56:17
  said for this look, I always plan to attach an extremely
• 56:22
  large bow to the single shoulder of a black asymmetrical dress.
• 56:28
  Then when the costume was made, the bow turned out to be much
• 56:33
  larger than expected. I realized it would be even
• 56:37
  better to balance her outrageous cone like beehive hairdo.
• 56:44
  There was a comic side to this dress that was much more
• 56:49
  pronounced than in any other of her performance looks.
• 56:53
  A gentle touch of humor that helped lighten the impact of
• 56:56
  midges bombed performance. I think it it's so funny, the
• 57:01
  storytelling that happened with this costume because it did make
• 57:04
  her bombing this performance feel all that more awkward
• 57:08
  because she literally, I mean she looks good out of context.
• 57:12
  But I guess just like knowing Midge, just this just felt like
• 57:16
  wrong because it was very big and you're just like like she
• 57:19
  was. This is clownish for Midge,
• 57:22
  which is what made it feel that much more funny.
• 57:24
  I you know if this is on anyone else, I probably thought it
• 57:27
  looked amazing, but this just felt very over the top and kooky
• 57:31
  even for Midge Basil. Even for Ridge, I'm like, I when
• 57:34
  you see this first, I'm like, I know she bought this and like
• 57:37
  the middle of her shopping frenzy for the tour.
• 57:42
  Like she saw it and was like, oh, this is fabulous, Tried it
• 57:47
  on, felt fabulous and then forgot about it till she was on
• 57:52
  the tour and was like, no, I'll wear this and it's like maybe
• 57:57
  like with different hair. Maybe it wouldn't have been so,
• 58:00
  like, awkward, but the hair is like, really, what makes this
• 58:03
  dress? Yeah, it's so good.
• 58:05
  This is a good collab between hair and costume.
• 58:08
  Absolutely. And the looks just get better
• 58:12
  and better as the story builds towards Shai's performance at
• 58:18
  the Apollo. The Apollo, I was stressed.
• 58:22
  I was like, there's no way this is gonna work out.
• 58:25
  No. Especially when I saw Wanda
• 58:28
  Sykes as moms. Mabley.
• 58:30
  I was like, oh, this is we're going down.
• 58:32
  Yes, Wanda Sykes plays the incredible Moms.
• 58:38
  Mabley and Donna based her costume off a lot of research
• 58:43
  into the real life Moms Mabley and decided to recreate a
• 58:47
  favorite look of hers, a pineapple printed dress.
• 58:52
  Yeah, Oh yeah, there's the black and white photo.
• 58:55
  Yeah, it's like, I love, I love how she interprets.
• 59:01
  Like inspiration from the time, 'cause you know, Mom's Mabley.
• 59:06
  It's this wonderfully bold pattern of just like pineapples
• 59:10
  layered on top of each other. But you know, for a modern
• 59:14
  audience, for Wanda Sykes, she kind of like draws it back to
• 59:18
  like this beautiful blue color with just like these singular
• 59:23
  pineapples throughout it. And it's like it looks so good
• 59:27
  for Wanda and fits into the world they've created so
• 59:32
  beautifully. What also fits into this world
• 59:36
  beautifully? His niche's dress for the Apollo
• 59:41
  performance. That that's a good one.
• 59:43
  It's it's her and her and her pink again, which is interesting
• 59:47
  because for these like big show moments, she typically doesn't
• 59:50
  do pink, she does black. So it was interesting that for
• 59:53
  the Apollo she she, I guess, I don't know, she decided to go
• 59:57
  for the pink and it looked amazing.
• 59:59
  It looked amazing and Donna describes this dress as.
• 1:00:05
  Her most ornate, extravagant performance dress to date.
• 1:00:11
  Also, this is the last time she wears color in this series,
• 1:00:18
  which I think is really interesting.
• 1:00:20
  Well, not not in the whole series, but for her performance.
• 1:00:22
  Looks like this is the last time you really see her in any color
• 1:00:27
  for performance. Probably because after such a
• 1:00:30
  wonderful set that ultimately lost her her job, yeah, she was
• 1:00:36
  probably like, well, can't ever wear pink again.
• 1:00:39
  For a performance of all color, it sucks, 'cause it was a bomb
• 1:00:44
  set. But I it was, it was very
• 1:00:47
  complicated. I understood.
• 1:00:48
  I knew she was gonna get fired After that, it was.
• 1:00:51
  I saw that coming 100 miles away.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah, yeah. Just so funny though, pulling
• 1:00:58
  the food out of her out of her dress though.
• 1:01:01
  That was hilarious. She was such a good I'm a big
• 1:01:05
  fan of stand up comedy. Like, I listened.
• 1:01:08
  That's because you and I do so many of these podcasts and talk
• 1:01:12
  about costume and film and TV. When I listen to podcasts on my
• 1:01:15
  own, I listen to podcasts that have nothing to do with film,
• 1:01:19
  television, or costumes. I just listened to comedy
• 1:01:22
  podcasts, honestly. So this was fun.
• 1:01:25
  I really felt like the joke writing in the show was so good.
• 1:01:28
  It was so incredible. And that brings us to the end of
• 1:01:32
  Season 3, Spencer, when we come back, Are you ready for seasons
• 1:01:37
  4:00 and 5:00? Yeah, we we need a little break,
• 1:01:41
  but we're almost there. I need some Gatorade for the
• 1:01:43
  rest of us. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
• 1:02:02
  of the podcast here to let you know that if you wanted to
• 1:02:06
  support the show, you can head over to the Art of
• 1:02:09
  costume.com/podstore. There you can buy some awesome
• 1:02:13
  tea, public merch with the podcast logo such as a shirt,
• 1:02:18
  coffee mug, stickers and of course a baby onesie.
• 1:02:23
  Thanks for all your support, Elizabeth.
• 1:02:46
  Are you ready to get back into it?
• 1:02:48
  Because we have a whole lot of costumes get into and Midge is
• 1:02:53
  not having a great time. She's actually throwing her
• 1:02:56
  costumes out the window when we pick up in season.
• 1:02:58
  Floor Yeah, Mitch, Mitch is not doing well.
• 1:03:03
  No. When she threw the hat out the
• 1:03:04
  window, I was like, Susie, pull this cab over.
• 1:03:07
  We got to, we got to do something about this.
• 1:03:10
  That's how. That's how even Susie knew.
• 1:03:11
  Like Oh no, this is this is going poorly and it is also
• 1:03:17
  signifies the transition from the 50s to the 60s.
• 1:03:23
  And Donna talked to Metro UK about this, saying I wanted to
• 1:03:27
  bring Midge into that feeling of concentrating on a career,
• 1:03:33
  having a professionalism and then play with the 196061
• 1:03:38
  silhouette, which by becoming a little bit narrower, a little
• 1:03:42
  bit more structured, would really service the story.
• 1:03:46
  She's out there on her own and really trying to create this new
• 1:03:51
  world because everything has for the second time been shattered.
• 1:03:57
  We see her having to pick herself up and reorganize her
• 1:04:01
  thoughts of who she is as a professional.
• 1:04:04
  She is committed to performance even though things went a bit
• 1:04:08
  awry for her. And yeah, she really I I love
• 1:04:14
  that scene where she's undressing and throwing the
• 1:04:17
  pieces out the window and this really is one of the first you
• 1:04:21
  know, more slimmed down 1960 sixties looks that you see.
• 1:04:28
  It's very like pencil skirt, cute little jacket.
• 1:04:33
  And she really carries that through the rest of the season
• 1:04:38
  and series. And you also see it a lot in her
• 1:04:43
  stories about the park where she meets the handsome man played by
• 1:04:48
  Milo vet Venema Gilla. Gosh, that was terrible.
• 1:04:53
  Anyway. A for effort, yeah.
• 1:04:58
  I think it's so funny that you love these park stories, 'cause
• 1:05:01
  I thought that was just so unnecessary.
• 1:05:03
  I didn't get why those things kept happening until we got like
• 1:05:07
  she did a stand up routine about, which was funny, but
• 1:05:10
  before that I was like, I don't care.
• 1:05:13
  I I think it was hilarious. And also like it was a turning
• 1:05:17
  point for her in terms of like how she viewed relationships
• 1:05:22
  with men. Like, up until this point it's
• 1:05:25
  been like you're with this man because there's a potential that
• 1:05:29
  you are going to marry him with this guy.
• 1:05:34
  She is just creating a friendship and an attraction
• 1:05:39
  without the thought that I am going to marry this man and it
• 1:05:43
  is the first time in her life that she is even seeing that as
• 1:05:47
  an option. Yeah, and he's chasing her
• 1:05:51
  through to subways and she's able to turn around and just be
• 1:05:53
  like, dude, no, like, leave me alone.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah. Yeah, that was true.
• 1:05:58
  That's really like it's a their whole storyline is just a sign
• 1:06:02
  of her independence as a woman of the time, which I love.
• 1:06:06
  All right. Yeah, that makes more sense.
• 1:06:10
  I also love a character, Mae Lin.
• 1:06:15
  Right, played by someone we love.
• 1:06:17
  Stephanie Shu I I had zero ideas.
• 1:06:22
  She was in this series until I started watching it.
• 1:06:24
  Right. I didn't even realize this was
• 1:06:27
  her till I was putting the slides together and was like,
• 1:06:30
  who plays Nay Lin? And then it like it all, like
• 1:06:33
  clicked in my head. I was like, Oh my gosh,
• 1:06:36
  Everything Everywhere, all at once.
• 1:06:37
  That's her. Right, this was she.
• 1:06:39
  I bet you she did season four before everything or we're all
• 1:06:42
  at once, honestly. Oh yeah, she I love her
• 1:06:46
  character. She also kind of is the epitome
• 1:06:50
  of the new kind of woman who was coming up during the 60s, who is
• 1:06:54
  independent and has ambitions outside of becoming a wife and
• 1:06:59
  mother. And I feel like her clothes,
• 1:07:01
  even because I believe she's introduced in Season 2, her
• 1:07:04
  clothes have always lent to more of that slimmed down 1960s
• 1:07:09
  style, and I just really love all of her looks throughout this
• 1:07:13
  series. Yeah, she always, you know, like
• 1:07:16
  there is like a traditional Chinese feeling to like the
• 1:07:20
  collars usually. But you can tell that she is
• 1:07:23
  someone who's trying to break from her tradition a little bit
• 1:07:25
  and just really focus on her own, like linear trajection.
• 1:07:29
  Like, I want to be a doctor and I'm going to do what it takes
• 1:07:32
  for me to be a doctor because that's what I want.
• 1:07:35
  So you can like kind of read that in the costumes as well.
• 1:07:37
  But she also still has a sense of style, too.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, I really loved her character.
• 1:07:44
  I was. I was a bit sad when she left,
• 1:07:46
  but then I also got why she left, you know?
• 1:07:50
  And I was like, girl, you do you, you know I was.
• 1:07:54
  I was reading a little bit about it, and Amy Sherman Palladino
• 1:07:59
  was like she was never meant to be, you know, a constant fixture
• 1:08:04
  in the show. And the season five also filmed
• 1:08:10
  around the same time as Everything Everywhere, All at
• 1:08:12
  Once, so she had a bit of a scheduling conflict and hey,
• 1:08:16
  chose the right path. She got an Oscar nomination, so
• 1:08:20
  there we go. Good for you, Stephanie.
• 1:08:23
  He was such a great character. It was perfect.
• 1:08:27
  Like, I feel like Maylin is a perfect example of how they
• 1:08:31
  treated, you know, secondary characters in this show, which
• 1:08:35
  is they had full story arcs. Yeah, like, she had a perfect
• 1:08:40
  entrance and a perfect exit. And you're like, Maelyn went off
• 1:08:45
  and became a doctor and is probably like an award-winning
• 1:08:50
  doctor if they have awards for doctors.
• 1:08:52
  They did not skimp out on like the storytelling for any
• 1:08:55
  character. They always.
• 1:08:58
  They took the time with each character to tell their stories,
• 1:09:01
  even Joel's parents. Like in the last season, I
• 1:09:05
  thought that they did so much for their characters to like.
• 1:09:08
  They even brought me to their side because I thought they were
• 1:09:11
  so crazy and so frustrating most of the series.
• 1:09:14
  And they won me over by the end of it too.
• 1:09:16
  So I just you're so right. With the secondary characters,
• 1:09:19
  they did what they had to do, except for Miriam's children.
• 1:09:23
  I felt like I just didn't understand what was happening
• 1:09:27
  with them. Oh, I.
• 1:09:28
  Liked I liked their story storylines.
• 1:09:32
  The Flash forwards, I don't know.
• 1:09:34
  Anyways, we have some more costumes that I'm really excited
• 1:09:38
  to talk about. I think one of the most fun
• 1:09:42
  scenes of the series is when they go to Coney Island for
• 1:09:46
  Ethan's birthday. And Donna talked to below the
• 1:09:51
  line a little bit about these scenes, saying there's something
• 1:09:56
  about Coney Island. And of course growing up in New
• 1:09:59
  York, I love those strange stripes.
• 1:10:03
  And then the red Pulsinella hat worn by Rose.
• 1:10:10
  I always feel to a degree, especially when I'm doing
• 1:10:13
  comedy, then I'm designing clowns on some level, I mean
• 1:10:18
  that in the most positive sense of the word, in the way that
• 1:10:24
  Finnelly said that the greatest performers are clowns because
• 1:10:28
  they have that empathy and tragedy.
• 1:10:31
  And yet comedy at the same moment, in a way that a little
• 1:10:36
  bit epitomizes Missus Maisel and how I sort of approached it And
• 1:10:43
  I get it. Especially how you're just
• 1:10:46
  talking about Joel's parents. Like it's all like a little over
• 1:10:51
  the top. It's all a little too much,
• 1:10:55
  especially in these Coney Island scenes.
• 1:10:57
  But it doesn't take away from the heart and the empathy and,
• 1:11:04
  you know, some of the real tragedies that happen.
• 1:11:06
  Throughout the series. I mean, the Coney Island scenes
• 1:11:09
  are just like some of the greatest scenes in entire
• 1:11:12
  series. They're so funny.
• 1:11:13
  And you're right, the costumes do feel still very grounded in
• 1:11:17
  the reality of the show. Like they don't stick out as
• 1:11:20
  like, oh this is like this doesn't work.
• 1:11:22
  It feels very real and researched, but it is also
• 1:11:27
  there's a campiness level to it. I love Rose's look because she's
• 1:11:31
  dressed as a hot dog, she is wearing ketchup and mustard and
• 1:11:37
  she just looks like she looks like a delicious hot dog and it
• 1:11:42
  just brings me so much joy. Oh my gosh.
• 1:11:45
  And all the scenes throughout the series where all of her
• 1:11:49
  family just yells and argues and they don't hear each other.
• 1:11:53
  My one of my favourites is when they're on the Ferris wheel and
• 1:11:56
  they're all yelling at each other about I I think she just
• 1:12:00
  got fired from Chai's tour and she's trying to tell everyone
• 1:12:03
  and it's not working. Those scenes are just fantastic.
• 1:12:07
  It's so good. Makes me want a hot dog real
• 1:12:11
  bad. Wait, Spencer, wait.
• 1:12:18
  I feel like this is inspiration she also brings into the strip
• 1:12:22
  club. These are like.
• 1:12:25
  I love the strip club scenes. They're incredible and Donna
• 1:12:31
  spoke to Vanity Fair about them, she said.
• 1:12:36
  I've sort of become an expert on pasties and G strings and how to
• 1:12:40
  remove people's clothing. People's clothing in about 5
• 1:12:45
  seconds now. It's like second hand nature to
• 1:12:49
  me. She said.
• 1:12:50
  After this I can be booked on any burlesque or strip show in
• 1:12:53
  the world if I want to. Right, right.
• 1:12:56
  And after I thought this was just like a burlesque joint
• 1:13:02
  until I watched it. This time is when I realized
• 1:13:05
  they were calling it a strip club.
• 1:13:08
  I just always thought it was a burlesque, and I always thought
• 1:13:11
  it was weird that they got raided, 'cause I was like, I
• 1:13:14
  thought burlesque was like, that was like the appropriate form of
• 1:13:18
  stripping. Back then, I thought that was
• 1:13:19
  the legal form. So that had always confused me
• 1:13:22
  till this last time I watched it and I caught the fact that they
• 1:13:24
  were calling it an illegal strip club, which I'm like, I don't
• 1:13:27
  know how I missed that, but OK And Donna talks about this a
• 1:13:33
  little bit. She said, I mean, there's a
• 1:13:37
  strange little bit of modesty and there's more of a
• 1:13:40
  theatricality, which is what interested me.
• 1:13:44
  It isn't about being naked, but it's about being theatrical.
• 1:13:50
  And in this article with Vanity Fair, she also talks a little
• 1:13:52
  bit more about, like, that's what she found in her research,
• 1:13:55
  like the attraction was in the performance, not necessarily
• 1:14:00
  taking everything off. And I'm like, you nailed it.
• 1:14:04
  Yeah, you nailed it. You kind of said it already, but
• 1:14:07
  like their version of what the strip club was is what we would
• 1:14:11
  consider now as burlesque. Because it's it wasn't about, it
• 1:14:15
  was about these really over the top performances where they're
• 1:14:18
  playing different characters in history and they have over the
• 1:14:21
  top costumes. I have a ostrich on my head,
• 1:14:24
  like really over the top things. So yeah, but yeah, that didn't
• 1:14:28
  work out. Lots of things didn't work out
• 1:14:30
  in this time period. No, no, definitely not.
• 1:14:36
  She also talked to Metro UK about the world they wanted to
• 1:14:41
  create through the strip club, saying we tried to really create
• 1:14:46
  an environment that we hadn't physically seen and then would
• 1:14:50
  allow us to bring in a lot of women with the striptease.
• 1:14:56
  Amy was very interested in having more women that were
• 1:15:00
  strong and interesting and eccentric, so that became a sort
• 1:15:05
  of theme for us in Season 4. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:15:10
  I you you all know that I worked at the Fiddum Museum, now called
• 1:15:14
  the ASU Fiddum Museum, for a long time.
• 1:15:16
  And I worked on like bringing in costumes to exhibit.
• 1:15:20
  And we almost had Marvelous Mrs. Maisel probably all the time,
• 1:15:24
  every time. And I remember when season four
• 1:15:27
  happened and we got the costumes that might have been season five
• 1:15:30
  and the majority of them were from the strip club club.
• 1:15:33
  And I had never seen a show before and I was just so
• 1:15:36
  confused. I was like, what is this show
• 1:15:38
  even about? I thought it was about like the
• 1:15:40
  stand up comedy stand up comedian with like the Jackie
• 1:15:45
  Kennedy, like pillbox hats, Like that's what it is.
• 1:15:48
  And in the strip club scene, we actually have a picture right
• 1:15:50
  here. It's the lady with the, the
• 1:15:53
  cotton balls with the. POM poms.
• 1:15:56
  I remember. Seeing that look there.
• 1:15:58
  Yeah, So finally I got to watch the series and see it and I was
• 1:16:02
  like, Oh yes, like this is totally it.
• 1:16:05
  I love, love that look. All the strip club looks were
• 1:16:09
  just incredible. Good.
• 1:16:10
  Yeah, I remember. I remember seeing that exhibit
• 1:16:13
  because it I one time when I was visiting you all, it was still
• 1:16:16
  up. Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  And I remember we went together and we were like this is the
• 1:16:20
  Mrs. Maisel. Exhibit and.
• 1:16:23
  Then you like, walked away and I was like, Oh my gosh.
• 1:16:25
  I I don't remember, but I feel like almost all the costumes are
• 1:16:29
  from the from the strip scenes. I don't even know if there were.
• 1:16:32
  Not all. Remember.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah, I don't remember the Maisel 1, so I just remembered
• 1:16:36
  the strip club costume. So, so funny.
• 1:16:39
  So funny. And this brings us to Season 5,
• 1:16:45
  which starts off very abruptly with a flash forward.
• 1:16:50
  These are the scenes I don't like.
• 1:16:52
  I'm having a hard time with them.
• 1:16:53
  They just make me feel sad. So I love them because like I
• 1:16:59
  like I was saying in the beginning, so many shows, it's
• 1:17:02
  like you're left to like fill in the rest of the story with your
• 1:17:05
  imagination. The flash forwards show you what
• 1:17:10
  happened to everybody, like where they ended up and it kind
• 1:17:16
  of shows you like then, you know, their lives weren't like
• 1:17:19
  this perfect magical thing afterwards.
• 1:17:22
  But I mean two. One thing is like 2005 is the
• 1:17:26
  last flash forward at the very end midges, you know, kind of
• 1:17:30
  like she's elderly, like at the end of her life.
• 1:17:33
  But she has achieved everything she wanted.
• 1:17:35
  She has everything she wanted. She has friends and family, love
• 1:17:39
  and success that she built on her own and I think that's
• 1:17:43
  beautiful. Yeah, no, I agree with it.
• 1:17:45
  And actually now that I'm like starting to just sit here and
• 1:17:47
  think about it and I will be probably for our next week or
• 1:17:50
  two. I I guess the scenes I didn't
• 1:17:52
  like were one where she, she's making Susie call off her
• 1:17:57
  wedding and when she goes to visit her son in and she's like
• 1:18:03
  very over the top. But also I have to remember that
• 1:18:06
  this is Rose's daughter too, and that over the top dramatic
• 1:18:12
  nature is like very DNA coded in her as well.
• 1:18:16
  I'm just having a hard time thinking like 'cause to me like
• 1:18:19
  Miriam is just like such like a good human being.
• 1:18:23
  It was hard for me seeing like these like rough moments for her
• 1:18:25
  in the future. I just don't want to believe
• 1:18:27
  that she, like, grew up to be like this.
• 1:18:29
  Really, like Mean Hollywood diva, you know?
• 1:18:32
  I mean. I don't think she did like,
• 1:18:35
  'cause also I. I mean, she predicts it too in
• 1:18:40
  her act like her, her kids grew up to like, be like my mom is a
• 1:18:43
  nut case, you know? So I mean, I guess that's fine,
• 1:18:46
  you know? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:18:51
  I thought the wedding part was hilarious.
• 1:18:54
  I think I just mostly found Rosen Abe hilarious.
• 1:18:58
  Oh, I mean, you know. Going on about they looked
• 1:19:01
  amazing and. No notes for them.
• 1:19:04
  Ever. I do also love Midget's look,
• 1:19:07
  which is like a pantsuit for her wedding.
• 1:19:10
  And I love how Susie's kind of like I was surprised by the
• 1:19:14
  pants. Almost like, oh, I should have
• 1:19:15
  known this wasn't gonna work out when you chose to wear pants to
• 1:19:19
  your own wedding. The one that made me cry real
• 1:19:24
  ugly tears is when she did a video message to Susie.
• 1:19:27
  Yes, and she looks beautiful. Oh, she looks incredible.
• 1:19:30
  I, I like, refuse to believe to the very end that these were
• 1:19:34
  like, I thought these were all like nightmares that Midge was
• 1:19:37
  having, so I never fully believed in them.
• 1:19:40
  But now that we're here, like, OK, but yeah, those.
• 1:19:43
  I kind of understand the fall between the two of them, 'cause
• 1:19:46
  it's like, how was Midge never gonna find out that, like, Susie
• 1:19:51
  didn't protect her, which forced Joel to do some shady business
• 1:19:59
  on her behalf, which we both know.
• 1:20:02
  Midge would have just liked Susie to be upfront about what
• 1:20:05
  was happening. I know.
• 1:20:07
  So I'm like, that was sad. I kind of get it.
• 1:20:10
  But I also I like that, you know, like that rift doesn't go
• 1:20:14
  on forever. They go back to.
• 1:20:18
  They go back to being best friends.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah. Oh, and they're watching
• 1:20:21
  Jeopardy at the end. Oh, so good.
• 1:20:24
  So good. And Donna talked to Indy Wire
• 1:20:28
  about the flash forward, saying I wondered how it was going to
• 1:20:32
  work. The idea of these flash
• 1:20:35
  forwards, that was really rather drastic to suddenly project who
• 1:20:41
  was Midge and Susie 30 or 40 years from when we knew them.
• 1:20:47
  It's hard to know how to really portray that and luckily we had
• 1:20:53
  a very good prosthetics team. I just tried to think what
• 1:20:58
  happened and what does that mean in terms of clothes and
• 1:21:02
  character and adhering to different periods.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah, I mean, hey, Donna did a great job and the entire team
• 1:21:09
  did I. All these looks are believable
• 1:21:11
  to me. On who Miriam and Susie become,
• 1:21:15
  All of them were believable. Absolutely.
• 1:21:19
  And I love the other way this series starts with her newly
• 1:21:28
  hired on the Gordon Ford show and this amazing just pop of red
• 1:21:37
  color. It's so good.
• 1:21:39
  It's her sitting dress. Her sitting dress and Donna
• 1:21:44
  spoke to Indie Wire about the look, saying red in general is a
• 1:21:49
  very powerful color for Midge, and I refer to that as the red
• 1:21:53
  sailor outfit. That's why the whole image of
• 1:21:56
  the sailor cap is built in. I really had this feeling of her
• 1:22:01
  starting a new journey. It started with the shape of the
• 1:22:05
  hat and what would work here. There was something very right
• 1:22:10
  about the costume, but it had to have a great whimsical,
• 1:22:14
  adventuresome aspect to it, which I really do love, 'cause
• 1:22:19
  this is her like, next big adventure.
• 1:22:21
  This is the next thing. Well, it really is the thing
• 1:22:24
  that, like, shoots her to fame, what makes her, you know, wildly
• 1:22:28
  successful. But then for the scene where
• 1:22:32
  handsome man Milo is chasing her through the subway, it is
• 1:22:37
  hilarious. Yeah, because she's so easy to
• 1:22:40
  spot. I'm like, there she is.
• 1:22:42
  Like she can't get away. Yep, Yep.
• 1:22:47
  I love her sitting dress. I loved that she was so stressed
• 1:22:50
  when she found out about like, oh, this isn't a job where I
• 1:22:52
  have to stand, yeah. It's just like.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah, I've never heard that before, although that's so wild.
• 1:22:56
  I love how she calls Susie. Like the middle of the morning.
• 1:23:03
  Oh my gosh, shout out to Reed Scott who plays Gordon Ford.
• 1:23:06
  I I love him. He plays a character in Veep who
• 1:23:12
  he's just so good at playing like unlikable terrible
• 1:23:15
  characters and he's just great in a show as well.
• 1:23:18
  And funny enough I feel like Veep and Miss Maisel are kind of
• 1:23:22
  like same stories in the way where they're both about two
• 1:23:26
  women who are just like absolutely on their path and
• 1:23:28
  they're willing to do whatever it takes to get to the end goal,
• 1:23:31
  whether it's being a stand up comedian or President of the
• 1:23:34
  United States. Just one is very likable and one
• 1:23:37
  is a horrible person. So it's just a perfect and he
• 1:23:41
  just pops up in both of them as like unlikeable character to
• 1:23:45
  help that character get to their endpoint.
• 1:23:49
  I I love that. I I also had a love hate
• 1:23:54
  relationship with the garbage musical.
• 1:23:58
  I just all love for me, that was a great musical.
• 1:24:01
  I would watch that, honestly, if it came to the Pantages.
• 1:24:06
  OK Spencer I It was hilarious and it it was just so not Midge
• 1:24:15
  and Donna talked about it to Indie Wire saying I went back to
• 1:24:20
  original sanitation research but made it quite oversized for her.
• 1:24:26
  So it was very clown like and musical, and it was important to
• 1:24:31
  have each character and color be very specific because the town
• 1:24:36
  is very happy, very colorful, very pleasant, especially when
• 1:24:40
  contrasted with the garbage girls.
• 1:24:43
  How do you build a garbage dress?
• 1:24:46
  So I found all sorts of plastic and weird papers, and I
• 1:24:50
  practically built that by myself because it's hard to describe to
• 1:24:54
  someone. And my staff assistants found
• 1:24:58
  different versions of bubble wrap and tin foil, which was
• 1:25:02
  much more reflective and much more interesting to see under
• 1:25:05
  lights. Right.
• 1:25:08
  She's like, I don't know how to put this to you, but it's a
• 1:25:11
  dress made out of garbage. I don't.
• 1:25:14
  I'll just do it. You know what?
• 1:25:16
  There's a billion things to do on this.
• 1:25:18
  Just go do something else. But Oh my gosh, I had thousands
• 1:25:22
  of extras on this series. Yeah, it's like, it's so strange
• 1:25:29
  and like Mitch's cause. Mitch is not a performer for
• 1:25:33
  scripted productions. She's like, I don't dance, I
• 1:25:35
  don't sing. Like like this is everything
• 1:25:38
  Mitch's and I, and she's just forced into this and this.
• 1:25:43
  Like, truly gross costume. And it's the funniest thing.
• 1:25:49
  It's so funny and I love how Susie's like, well, we got you a
• 1:25:52
  hat though, and I knew you would like that 'cause you like hats
• 1:25:55
  and it's like a Susie hat. Basically.
• 1:25:57
  It's just like the perfect way to be like and wrong.
• 1:26:00
  We got this wrong. What they did not get wrong was
• 1:26:06
  midges. Final limelight dress.
• 1:26:10
  Oh man, that was good. I loved it.
• 1:26:14
  It was so perfect. And Donna talked to The
• 1:26:19
  Hollywood Reporter about this dress, saying I knew this was a
• 1:26:25
  partying dress in its own way, and yet it was something that
• 1:26:29
  she was supposed to have bought, so it couldn't be overly
• 1:26:32
  designed. It was important that it had an
• 1:26:34
  impact reminiscent of what we've seen her in before, but one step
• 1:26:39
  higher. I pushed the neckline being much
• 1:26:43
  more open and more dramatic than I had in any of her other
• 1:26:46
  performance dresses, because I felt this last dress is really
• 1:26:50
  about the last time we see her performing.
• 1:26:54
  The last time she is Midge Mazal.
• 1:26:58
  I was crying through like this entire scene, whether it worked
• 1:27:03
  out or not, I was just like, so happy.
• 1:27:05
  This is what I wanted was like that moment where she looks up
• 1:27:08
  and her parents are smiling back at her.
• 1:27:10
  Joel was smiling back at her. Rose.
• 1:27:14
  I mean, I just the fact that Rose is there and happy and just
• 1:27:16
  like she was happy. And Susie I it was I could not.
• 1:27:20
  I was weeping like a child. It's it's so perfect.
• 1:27:23
  I remember watching this for the first time.
• 1:27:25
  I was like, how is this going so poorly, right?
• 1:27:28
  But when, you know, they come back to the stools for the
• 1:27:31
  second time and she turns to Gordon is like, I'm not good at
• 1:27:34
  following rules, I was like. Oh my gosh.
• 1:27:38
  It was like I was watching Game of Thrones.
• 1:27:40
  I was like, let's go like, let's do it.
• 1:27:42
  Grab that, my girl. She looked at Susie and she's
• 1:27:45
  like, this might be it for us, because I'm about to do
• 1:27:49
  something crazy. And I love Susie Rolls with it
• 1:27:52
  because she's like every time you've almost destroyed us, it's
• 1:27:56
  made us better. Yeah, and just the dress is
• 1:27:59
  beautiful. It's it's true.
• 1:28:01
  Like it. She just bought it.
• 1:28:02
  So it could have been like something too couture and over
• 1:28:05
  the top. But just like that neckline is
• 1:28:08
  just like stupid good on here. I love the bow.
• 1:28:12
  At first I didn't know how I feel about.
• 1:28:14
  But just looking at now, I love the bow.
• 1:28:17
  It just works. It just feels like it's a play
• 1:28:19
  on the that black dress. We see her in the finale of the
• 1:28:23
  first season. It just like took it to like a
• 1:28:25
  new elevated level. Absolutely.
• 1:28:27
  I also love the bow because as I was doing the slides, kind of
• 1:28:31
  reflecting on it. It's like the three biggest
• 1:28:34
  moments almost of her career have been when she was wearing a
• 1:28:39
  dress with a bow and a season one.
• 1:28:43
  That final dress has the little bows on the straps and then when
• 1:28:47
  she plays at the Apollo, has that huge bow on the front.
• 1:28:51
  And that's when everything you know, what she thought her
• 1:28:54
  career was going to be just is completely destroyed.
• 1:28:59
  So I love that they brought that the bow back.
• 1:29:01
  Like once again, to be like this is your next big step in the
• 1:29:06
  journey that will create your career.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah, so good. Can I can I just read like a
• 1:29:12
  little bit of her quote from her?
• 1:29:14
  Like set. She says I just couldn't.
• 1:29:18
  I was getting rid of Christ, she said.
• 1:29:20
  I want a big life. I want to experience everything.
• 1:29:23
  I want to break every single rule there is.
• 1:29:26
  They say ambition is an unattractive trait in a woman.
• 1:29:29
  Maybe, but you know what's really unattractive?
• 1:29:32
  Waiting around for something to happen, staring out a window,
• 1:29:36
  thinking the life you should be living is out there somewhere,
• 1:29:39
  but not being willing to open a door and go get it.
• 1:29:42
  Even if someone tells you you can't, being a coward is only
• 1:29:45
  cute in The Wizard of Oz, and I just thought like that wrapped
• 1:29:49
  up the entire series for me. Honestly, it's just like if you
• 1:29:53
  have a life you want out there. It's the lot of the dreams we
• 1:29:57
  have for ourselves are so sometimes feel so unattainable,
• 1:30:00
  but it's not going to come to you.
• 1:30:02
  You really have to just set a direction in your life, a goal,
• 1:30:06
  aspirations, dreams, and you have to work for it and get out
• 1:30:09
  there and just make things happen for yourself.
• 1:30:12
  And it just, yeah, I was weeping.
• 1:30:14
  It was just such a good closing line, even if it ended with a
• 1:30:17
  corny Wizard of Oz Joe. Yeah, it's it's so beautiful.
• 1:30:23
  It's so perfect. And that brings us to the end of
• 1:30:27
  the marvelous missus maisel. I'm exhausted.
• 1:30:31
  I'm sure Daniel is too. Oh yeah, Daniel got 24 hours set
• 1:30:36
  at this. Yeah, let's take a quick break
• 1:30:42
  and when we come back, let's play our favorite game.
• 1:31:09
  Spencer, Elizabeth, I I'm ready. I I feel like I've been waiting
• 1:31:16
  for a solid month to talk about this.
• 1:31:20
  Are you ready to play your favorite game?
• 1:31:22
  Absolutely Hit it, Daniel. The one costume to rule them
• 1:31:28
  all. All right, so my one costume to
• 1:31:34
  rule them all. Well, after this conversation,
• 1:31:37
  though, I have like one. And then I have an honorable
• 1:31:39
  mention. OK, OK.
• 1:31:43
  MY1 costume to rule them all is her black bow dress from the
• 1:31:47
  first season, the finale. Yes.
• 1:31:50
  That was like the moment where she just knew.
• 1:31:53
  Like this is what I want to do. I am the marvelous missus
• 1:31:56
  maisel. This is who I am and she just
• 1:32:00
  finally, like knew like she had a direction in life.
• 1:32:02
  And you could tell that like in that dress, even though it's
• 1:32:05
  black and it's very downtown that she had just like she had
• 1:32:09
  become this fully realized individual person, you know and
• 1:32:13
  it just was so but still had touches of Miriam as well with
• 1:32:17
  the bows. And like we were just talking
• 1:32:19
  about that's like a theme that happens in all of her limelight
• 1:32:23
  looks. It just to me, it just was such
• 1:32:24
  a special moment and I just, I was excited about the series
• 1:32:29
  from that point forward. I already I liked season one and
• 1:32:32
  I knew I was going to like to show.
• 1:32:34
  But that first like big performance at the Gas Light in
• 1:32:37
  that look like cemented me as like a fan.
• 1:32:40
  I was ready. That's probably when I told you,
• 1:32:42
  like, I'm not going to be talking to you because I just
• 1:32:45
  knew. Like, all right, I'm in honor
• 1:32:48
  roll mention, though it has to go to Rosa's last France look,
• 1:32:52
  which is Dana Takara puts on the hood.
• 1:32:56
  I was like, Rose, you're stupid for that.
• 1:32:58
  I love you. It's so, so good.
• 1:33:01
  It really. Is perfect and I love.
• 1:33:04
  I love that first black dress too.
• 1:33:08
  My one costume rule them all was between that black dress and her
• 1:33:13
  breakdown outfit of. The Oh my gosh.
• 1:33:16
  And the nightgown, 'cause I just think it's like the way Donna
• 1:33:22
  uses those pieces from, like, this pristine, perfect image of
• 1:33:29
  what she believes her life to be, to just the visual of what
• 1:33:36
  it means to be shattered as a person.
• 1:33:39
  To literally have your life fall apart around you, I think is
• 1:33:45
  exquisite. And it's also like, you look at
• 1:33:48
  her and you're like, how is this person this like, who has like,
• 1:33:54
  no ambitions outside of being a wife and mother?
• 1:33:57
  Like, how is this person ever going to, you know, pull herself
• 1:34:02
  up from this? Like it seems like such.
• 1:34:04
  And from that moment it seems so impossible.
• 1:34:08
  But she does it. She does it especially like that
• 1:34:11
  first season is so heavy on focusing on the moments where
• 1:34:14
  she gets up out of bed a middle of the night to like go like fix
• 1:34:17
  her hair and her makeup and sit back into bed, which, and she's
• 1:34:21
  constantly found out her mother also does.
• 1:34:23
  Too like she learned that from her mother.
• 1:34:25
  She's constantly measuring herself, like making sure like
• 1:34:29
  she is fit. She looks perfect, like making
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  sure Joel never sees her, like, out of makeup.
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  Oh my gosh, that's insane. And like, that one time they get
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  back together and she's like, hey, you're going to have a hard
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  time taking my underwear off. And he's like, no.
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  And it's like that girl puts so much effort into making his life
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  as perfect as possible. It's insane.
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  Yeah, they still walked out on her.
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  Honestly, I never recovered from that.
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  I I liked Joel as a character, but I just never wanted them to
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  happen again after that. But yeah, that's your one
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  costume. Rule Them All really is such a
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  good choice because it just says so much about the entire arc of
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  the story, honestly. Yeah.
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  Man. That's the moment everything
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  changes for her. Yeah, well, Elizabeth, I'm
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  excited. We actually got some audience,
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  one costume rule them all before we got to do this episode.
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  So I wanna, I know well, I mean let's be real.
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  Everyone wanted this episode so people were ready to go and I
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  said we're doing Maisel next. I was like, shout out.
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  I cannot count the amount of times people were like, so are
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  you gonna do marvelous missus maisel?
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  Yeah, Marvelous missus maisel. OK.
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  So, well, OK, all right, so our first one costume to rule them
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  all comes from a long time listener Jess.
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  And they said their one costume, Rule them all, was too long to
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  send and like a Instagram DM. So they said.
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  But season three, she wore this pink coat that was maybe a sheer
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  pink fabric and it had this blue lining and some lighting.
• 1:36:16
  The coat looked pink and then purple other times.
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  And it was magical. And also just like the season 4
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  Coney Island bow dress and coat which I gotta agree if I love
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  all the Coney Island looks and then let's see, Aiden Berk told
• 1:36:32
  on Instagram also said her red sitting outfit from the last
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  season is one of my faves. Shout out to the sitting dress
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  AV Bespoke just said all of midges looks.
• 1:36:44
  Her wardrobe was just stunning. Which that's fair, that's.
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  Fair. Cecily Graham on Instagram said
• 1:36:52
  the Catskill episode, just the entire episode or the one
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  costume to rule them all. And then for our last one,
• 1:37:00
  Ornetta Jewell said. The Catskills stripe, dress and
• 1:37:03
  shorts in the boat, just like Elizabeth mentioned, and then
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  the triumphant black looks as well, were just their favorite.
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  So yeah, sounds like a lot of people are feeling kind of what
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  we're saying and I hope you all will continue to send us your
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  one costumes to rule them all. And to do so, make sure you hit
• 1:37:24
  up our voicemail at 626-515-1826 or you could e-mail us at
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  theartofcostume@gmail.com. And if you are just a little
• 1:37:33
  lazy, you can also just DM us on Instagram and I'll I'll try to
• 1:37:37
  include that as well. I prefer an e-mail though, so I
• 1:37:40
  can keep it organized. That would be lovely, Spencer.
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  What are we going to be talking about next week?
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  Oh man. Well, Elizabeth, we were just
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  really talking about such a cheerful, colorful New York
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  City. Very light and positive.
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  But I I feel like I've kind of want to talk about a darker side
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  of New York a little bit more, Not as pleasant and colorful.
• 1:38:06
  I see. I see.
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  I do. Do you mean?
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  Oh yeah. Do you mean we're gonna watch
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  succession? We're watching Succession.
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  I'm very excited. I love this show and the world
• 1:38:20
  loves this show. We just witnessed the Emmys a
• 1:38:22
  few weeks ago and it won basically every award possible
• 1:38:26
  that it was nominated for. So yeah, we're gonna be talking
• 1:38:30
  about Succession, the Roy family, Roman Kendall, Shiv,
• 1:38:34
  Logan, and gain into all the antics of that quiet luxury
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  trend that came from Succession. Yes, and if you would like to
• 1:38:44
  see some pictures with your episode, you can visit our
• 1:38:50
  YouTube channel at The Art of Costume and see what me and
• 1:38:55
  Spencer are talking about in every episode.
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  This is a great one to start with, Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
• 1:39:01
  It's going to take me two days to put together this YouTube
• 1:39:04
  video. Absolutely.
• 1:39:07
  And if you would like some content from us in between
• 1:39:10
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• 1:39:18
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• 1:39:27
  If you love us, we would really appreciate it if you would leave
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• 1:39:34
  Yeah, we would really appreciate it.
• 1:39:36
  We put so much effort into all these great behind the costume
• 1:39:39
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• 1:39:44
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• 1:39:47
  it all worth it. Absolutely.
• 1:39:50
  With that, Elizabeth I I feel like I need to go lay down after
• 1:39:55
  all those costumes. Well, I need to go cook dinner.
• 1:39:58
  Oh yeah, yeah. You have a great pasta to make.
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  I do. I do.
• 1:40:02
  I need to go book my trip to the Catskills to vacation.
• 1:40:06
  For three months. Let me know when we're going.
• 1:40:08
  Let me know when we're going. Right, right.
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• 1:40:24
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  She got an Oscar nomination, so there we go.
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  Good for you Stephanie. He was such a great character.
• 1:41:20
  It was perfect like that. Like this is what?
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  Oh, do you do you have a question for the class Spencer.
• 1:41:28
  I was just going to say, do we have the strip club scenes in
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  the slides? I don't remember.
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  Yeah, OK.