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The Kenny Report | 11 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: I missed out on that list again, ed, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining me tonight. Some say he was our greatest prime minister,
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  Speaker 2: certainly the best since Mensis.
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  Speaker 3: John Howard joins me.
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  Speaker 2: Live in the studio to discuss Iran, one Nation and
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  Speaker 2: the changing face of politics. This as the Nationals elect
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  Speaker 2: yet another leader following David Little Proud's shock resignation yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan takes charge, promising to hyper charge patriotism.
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  Speaker 4: We need to manifest a hyper Australia here. We need
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  Speaker 4: to go hyper Australia for our country.
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  Speaker 2: His new deputy, Darren Chester will join me, as will
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen all Cross to Esther Kraku in the UK
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  Speaker 2: and the Wednesday wrangle with Justin and Denika. We'll have
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  Speaker 2: a look at Jackie O teaming up with Megan Markle.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. The change in the Nationals leadership is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan will lead the party from the Senate, which
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  Speaker 2: is strange enough.
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  Speaker 3: The tail wagging the dog.
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  Speaker 2: Is how one former Queensland MP explained it to me.
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  Speaker 2: But could Canavans switch to the Lower House in time?
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps replacing David Little Proud in the seat of Marinoa.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see one reason the Nats have turned to Canavan's
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  Speaker 2: strong conservative cutthrough is because they have to counter the
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  Speaker 2: rising tide of one Nation, a huge threat to their
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  Speaker 2: regional seats. And who's the gun recruit for one nation
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  Speaker 2: none other than former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce, who just
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  Speaker 2: happens to be Matt Canavan's mentor.
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  Speaker 3: The new Nationals leader.
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  Speaker 2: Cut his teeth as chief of staff to Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a real contest now between the master
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  Speaker 2: and the apprentice, a battle between a couple of regionally
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  Speaker 2: focused Queenslanders who wear their patriotism like an oversized ar Kubra.
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  Speaker 4: All we need to do to revive our great nation
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  Speaker 4: is to have more Australia. We need to have more
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  Speaker 4: Australian farming, more Australian manufacturing, more Australian jobs.
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  Speaker 1: We need to have more Australian everything. We need to.
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  Speaker 4: Manifest a hyper Australia here. We need to go hyper
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  Speaker 4: Australia for our country. We need more Australian babies, we
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  Speaker 4: need we need more Australian humor, more Australian jokes. We
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  Speaker 4: need more Australian barbecues, sometimes often fueled by fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 1: We need more Australian everything.
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  Speaker 5: I think the biggest issue is I know Matt, I
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  Speaker 5: know him very well, and he is an exceptional guy
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  Speaker 5: and a good fellow. But his policy beliefs are just
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  Speaker 5: a million miles away from where a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party are is. And to be quite frank, they're
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  Speaker 5: quite a distance away from where Darren is.
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  Speaker 2: Darren there is Darren Chester, the deputy leader to Matt Callahan.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be a political contest for the ages.
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  Speaker 2: Speak with that new deputy leader. That's Darren Chester in
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  Speaker 2: just a moment. As you know, when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activism, anti Israel propaganda, anti Semitism, terrorism and
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism, the left of politics is infected with delusion,
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  Speaker 2: with lies, and with a complete unwillingness to confront reality.
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  Speaker 2: And this is reflected every day in much of the media,
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  Speaker 2: which as you know, is deeply biased towards the progressive
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  Speaker 2: left or the green left. So let me show you
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  Speaker 2: the most recent and most remarkable example of this. Show
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  Speaker 2: it to your friends, show it to any doubting friends
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  Speaker 2: so that they understand how much nonsense they are constantly
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  Speaker 2: fed by left wing media.
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  Speaker 3: First, let's look at the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Last weekend, there was an anti Muslim protest near the
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  Speaker 2: official residence of the New York Mayor Muslim Zori and Mamdami.
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  Speaker 2: Two Islamist extremists from Pennsylvania turned up and threw homemade
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  Speaker 2: bombs into the crowd. Thankfully, the devices failed to explode
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  Speaker 2: and no one was hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at this report.
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  Speaker 6: Also caught on camera. You could see it right Here
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  Speaker 6: was the ied the suspect threw into the crowd, which
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  Speaker 6: investigators say was filled with shrapnel and a highly volatile
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  Speaker 6: explosive called TATP, which has been used in similar deadly
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  Speaker 6: terr attacks around the world. Fortunately, neither of the two
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  Speaker 6: other devices exploded, but the FBI has conducted multiple searches
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  Speaker 6: from the suspect's parents' home in Pennsylvania as well as
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  Speaker 6: a location in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: A lot's of parents are.
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  Speaker 6: From Turkey, Kayumi's parents are from Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 7: Both defendants have admitted that they acted on Saturday because
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  Speaker 7: of ISIS as Kayumi was being placed into an NYPD
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  Speaker 7: vehicle following his arrest, a person in the crowd asked
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  Speaker 7: why he had done this, as shown on NYPD body
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  Speaker 7: Warren camera footage referenced in the complaint. Cayumi responded with isis.
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  Speaker 3: Okay? That's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let me share with you how CNN reported the
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  Speaker 2: story on social media. Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New
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  Speaker 2: York City Saturday morning for what could have been a
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  Speaker 2: normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather, said CNN.
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  Speaker 2: But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change,
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  Speaker 2: as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs
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  Speaker 2: during an anti Muslim protest outside Mayor mum Dami's home.
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  Speaker 3: Just appalling, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Apart from completely downplaying the incident the attack, this makes
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  Speaker 2: it sound like it was the anti Muslim protesters who
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  Speaker 2: threw the bombs when it was actually self identified Islamist extremists.
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  Speaker 3: CNN has deleted the post.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to Israel, Palestine, Iran Islamist extremism, anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 2: all of these issues that are.
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  Speaker 3: Such a crucial test for the world.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, it's a simple and sad fact that you
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  Speaker 2: cannot trust any reporting you get from the left of
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  Speaker 2: center media. That means CNN, the BBC, our own ABC
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  Speaker 2: and much of the mainstream media. It's a worry, but
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  Speaker 2: that's the media environment we live in. And just on
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  Speaker 2: media issues, our ABC, their ABC has launched a new
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  Speaker 2: promotional video and add for itself, and even that's pretty misleading.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look.
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  Speaker 8: Questrance been more important? We questioned assumptions, we question priorities, leadership.
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  Speaker 3: That's stop it right there. Hang on a second.
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  Speaker 2: Can we afford the energy transition? When has the ABC
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  Speaker 2: ever asked that? When have they ever questioned the energy transition?
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  Speaker 2: They do nothing but whip up global warming hysteria and
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  Speaker 2: promote renewable energy, pretending it can power our nation and
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  Speaker 2: ignoring even denying that it's turned our cheap energy advantage
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  Speaker 2: into national energy self harm. And what about that other question?
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  Speaker 2: Can we trust our sun's screens? It's a strange one,
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  Speaker 2: but I do know that when we're watching ABCTV, we certainly.
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  Speaker 3: Can't trust our screens.
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  Speaker 2: They just couldn't help get their hard left perspective cross
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  Speaker 2: in this ad either.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 8: We question who controls tomorrow and who profits today?
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  Speaker 9: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Who profits? Hey?
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  Speaker 2: Those horrible profits, profits as the enemy. They actually think
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  Speaker 2: profits are bad, even though they're all paid with taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funds that wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Exist without profits.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be a great thing if the ABC actually did
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  Speaker 2: ask pertinent questions instead of constantly proffering answers from the
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  Speaker 2: green left handbook. As we brought to you first last night,
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  Speaker 2: thanks to the insights of our Australian Iranian guests, there
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  Speaker 2: were more people in that Iran soccer group who wanted
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  Speaker 2: to claim asylum in this country, and later last night
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney they did. Two more people, one player and
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  Speaker 2: one official, were granted humanitarian visas to begin new lives
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia rather than return to the Islamist oppression
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  Speaker 2: of Iran. That's seven Iranians in all who opted to
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  Speaker 2: remain in Australia. The rest of the team and the
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  Speaker 2: officials were seen in Kuala Lumpa last night, their final
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  Speaker 2: destination and their immediate futures unknown. What a horrible situation
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  Speaker 2: for them, no doubt. Some have stayed with the team
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  Speaker 2: out of fear, fear for themselves and also because of
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  Speaker 2: fear of reprisals against their relatives in Iran. Australia has
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  Speaker 2: done a good thing here. Australia has stood by our
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  Speaker 2: national values. We have helped people in need and we
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  Speaker 2: have displayed to the world our values of freedom, personal
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  Speaker 2: liberty and democracy. Now, as you know, I'm often critical
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  Speaker 2: of this bad federal labor government, and I've been especially
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  Speaker 2: critical of its approach on national security and immigration. Who
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  Speaker 2: the governments led into the country and who they've blocked.
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  Speaker 2: And I've not been shy about slamming the Home Affairs
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  Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke, a bloke who not only granted three
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  Speaker 2: thousand visas to people from the terrorist badlands of Gaza
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  Speaker 2: while banning Israeli advocates, but also met some of the
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  Speaker 2: Ghazans at the airport.
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  Speaker 3: But I've got to.
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  Speaker 2: Say Tony Burke deserves praise today on a couple of counts.
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  Speaker 2: First up, as I said a number of times over
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  Speaker 2: the past couple of days, the Iranian players were being
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  Speaker 2: isolated by their officials. They were not able to move
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  Speaker 2: around freely and speak freely, and the government needed to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that each one of them got to speak
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  Speaker 2: with Australian officials at some time on their own so
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  Speaker 2: they could make their own fateful decisions without intimidation, and
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  Speaker 2: to Australia's great credit, that's exactly what Burke ensured yesterday.
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  Speaker 10: As the full delegation went through Customs and Immigration, people
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  Speaker 10: were separated. They were given a chance, each player and
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  Speaker 10: each member of the team, with the exception of a
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  Speaker 10: small number of people where we had made the decision
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  Speaker 10: that we did not want to make a direct offer
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  Speaker 10: to them, but all the players remaining and most of
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  Speaker 10: the support people were taken into interview rooms without any
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  Speaker 10: minders present, simply themselves and the Department of Home Affairs
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  Speaker 10: and an interpreter, and they were given a choice.
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  Speaker 2: That's just what I was suggesting, just what we were
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  Speaker 2: all hoping for, and well done for making sure that happened.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, as it turns out, one of the two
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  Speaker 2: granted asylum last night has since changed her mind.
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  Speaker 10: I was advised that one of the two who had
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  Speaker 10: made the decision to stay last night had spoken to
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  Speaker 10: some of the teammates who had left and had changed
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  Speaker 10: her mind. In Australia, people are able to change their mind,
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  Speaker 10: people are able to travel, and so we respect the
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  Speaker 10: context in which she has made that decision.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, these are difficult decisions. I hope this is a backflip.
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  Speaker 2: This woman does not live to regret. But personal choice
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  Speaker 2: is what this is all about, and Burke and his
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  Speaker 2: department are now facilitating the change of heart.
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  Speaker 3: But there's another issue too. There's been a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Discussion that the delegation could have been controlled by members
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  Speaker 2: of Iran's notorious Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The IRGC was
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  Speaker 2: belatedly declared a terrorist group in this country last year
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  Speaker 2: after it's involvement in anti Semitic attacks on our shores.
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  Speaker 3: So it would have been an.
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  Speaker 2: Abject failure if any the IRGC people had been allowed
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  Speaker 2: into our country.
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  Speaker 3: But Burke has addressed this.
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  Speaker 10: Not everybody who applied for a visa got one and
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  Speaker 10: so and if I put it in these terms, because
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  Speaker 10: I've seen some of the speculation people who were connected
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  Speaker 10: and we obviously work with security partners on these assessments,
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  Speaker 10: people who were connected to the IRGC were not granted
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  Speaker 10: visus in terms of that sort of connection. Now, that
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  Speaker 10: doesn't mean that that automatically means you are a great person,
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  Speaker 10: and there is a reason why some people were not
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  Speaker 10: made a direct offer. There were some people leaving Australia
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  Speaker 10: who I am glad they're no longer in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Well done again.
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  Speaker 2: Burke and the government agencies kept the ARGC out and
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  Speaker 2: they made sure that the IRGC sympathizes the enforcers on
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  Speaker 2: this delegation didn't get to claim asylum. Good work for
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  Speaker 2: once in this case on human rights, on borders and security.
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  Speaker 2: I think this government has lived up to the standards
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  Speaker 2: and the values that this country expects. Let's now catch
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  Speaker 2: up with One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Pauline, who joins
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  Speaker 2: us from Canberra. Good to talk to you again, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: A change in the One Nation, sorry, in the Nationals leadership.
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  Speaker 2: I think this has been brought about, hasn't it by
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  Speaker 2: the pressure that One Nation, your own party, has brought
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  Speaker 2: to bear. You're out polling the Nationals in their heartland.
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  Speaker 2: They're worried, sick about disappearing, and in their panic, they've
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  Speaker 2: got rid of David Little Proud and gone to Matt Canavan.
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  Speaker 11: There might be the reasons, but you're only second guessing
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  Speaker 11: it and I possibly will be doing the same. So look,
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  Speaker 11: I wish Matt all the best and his new leadership role.
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  Speaker 11: Matt's very close to line One Nation's policies, and he's
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  Speaker 11: actually crossed the floor on Oasis to support our notice
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  Speaker 11: emotions and our private members bills that have been put up.
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  Speaker 11: I think that he's going to have trouble now moving
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  Speaker 11: from the back bench going to in the leadership role,
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  Speaker 11: where you'll have to comply with the cabinet and with
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  Speaker 11: the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, a lot of.
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  Speaker 11: These issues he's been pushing for, like culified power stations
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  Speaker 11: and also net zero, but the Libs are against the
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  Speaker 11: Paris Agreement, which he's not, so it's going to be
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  Speaker 11: interesting where this goes. Of course Darren Chester is a moderate,
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  Speaker 11: so for both of them working together, it'd be interesting
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  Speaker 11: how it moves forward.
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  Speaker 3: But Chester in just a moment also that yeah, just
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  Speaker 3: admirer and they need to work with one nation. Sorry
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  Speaker 3: that delay.
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  Speaker 2: They're just kicked in and we're talking over each other.
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  Speaker 2: But you'd be an admirer of Matt Canavan. You'd get
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  Speaker 2: on well with him. There wouldn't be a policy issue
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  Speaker 2: you'd disagree with him on probably, So therefore he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a much more difficult opponent for you in
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  Speaker 2: the regions.
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  Speaker 11: Oh it's not going to be difficult for me because
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  Speaker 11: we do agree on most things. He's going to have
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  Speaker 11: difficulty with the Liberal Party because they don't agree with
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  Speaker 11: a lot of these policies and issues.
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  Speaker 9: Even.
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  Speaker 11: A long term abortion having that, you know, that's another
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  Speaker 11: thing that we totally agree with, but he doesn't agree.
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  Speaker 12: With on the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 11: So there's quite a lot of different things that you know,
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  Speaker 11: we agree with. But anyway, you know, one nations, we're
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  Speaker 11: not the enemy. It's we need to get rid of
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  Speaker 11: the labor Greens Party.
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  Speaker 12: That's what it's about.
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  Speaker 11: And you know Matt needs to actually say, well what's
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  Speaker 11: he doing with preferences when it comes to the seat
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  Speaker 11: of Pharah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see you trying.
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  Speaker 11: Direct preferences to us or to the independent that's in
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  Speaker 11: that seat.
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  Speaker 12: Who's a teal.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be one that'll be one of these first tests,
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  Speaker 2: one of these first questions.
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  Speaker 3: But he hasn't been shy about having a crack at
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  Speaker 3: you today.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look, we're all Australians.
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  Speaker 4: What your nios is a country is more than what
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  Speaker 4: divides us, even when we have these robust debates. We
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  Speaker 4: have a wonderful country with wonderful people from all different backgrounds, religions, etc.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sorry I worry about where Pauline is. It
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  Speaker 4: would take this country to an area of more division.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a uniteds so.
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  Speaker 2: You're aligned on policy, but he thinks you're more divisive.
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  Speaker 11: Well, look, Matt is saying this for his own survival
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  Speaker 11: and his own survival of his own party. So anyway,
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  Speaker 11: I'll take it as a grain of salt to tell
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  Speaker 11: you the truth. I know what he said on Florida Parliament.
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  Speaker 11: I know what he's said to me behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 11: I know his true feelings about it, and it's not
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  Speaker 11: the truth. So you know, I thought, from a good
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  Speaker 11: Christian man that to be upfront with people. But if
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  Speaker 11: he wants to have a dig at me, have a
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  Speaker 11: go at me. You know, it's not just me, it's
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  Speaker 11: the extrain people out there, the people in rural and
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  Speaker 11: regional areas. They want to see us work closely together
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  Speaker 11: to address the concerns of the people in this country.
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  Speaker 11: And that's what I'm intending to do.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't say anything though he called you divisive. Why
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  Speaker 2: are you saying that he's been dishonest there?
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  Speaker 11: Well, you know when he's made comments that I've done
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  Speaker 11: nothing for Queens and I've been in parliament double the
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  Speaker 11: time that he has. I haven't, Chris, I was out
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  Speaker 11: of parliament for eighteen years. We've been in parliament the
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  Speaker 11: same period of time. You know, people need to go
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  Speaker 11: to my website to see what I have achieved for Queensland,
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  Speaker 11: for Australia this period of time.
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  Speaker 12: I've set the agenda for a lot of things.
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  Speaker 11: I was first one to come out against the Voice.
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  Speaker 11: I was first one against the COVID nineteen jab, it
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  Speaker 11: was the first one against the net zero. I've been
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  Speaker 11: the first one to announce that we should go with
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  Speaker 11: Caul fire power stations. So I'm not going to send
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  Speaker 11: any more than that. People can go and look at
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  Speaker 11: my policies, what I've achieved, and I just it just
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  Speaker 11: hurts to think that he's, you know, having to go
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  Speaker 11: I've done nothing.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 11: I've set the agenda on many issues, and the Banking
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  Speaker 11: Rural Commission into into the banking issue as well. So
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  Speaker 11: there's a lot of things that one nation has done.
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  Speaker 11: So I'll stand on my achievements and I'll just leave
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  Speaker 11: it at that, and I'll keep pushing forward on our
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  Speaker 11: policies and I encourage people go to my website have
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  Speaker 11: a look at the achievements one nation and our policies.
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  Speaker 3: Pauline, thanks for joining us, so I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: We want to stay in Canberra now and go to
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  Speaker 2: the National side and catch up with the new Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Leader of the Nationals, Darren Chester.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Darren.
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  Speaker 2: No, you heard Pauline Hansen there obviously saying that you
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Canavan are having got to have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of trouble agreeing on things because he's a conservative and
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  Speaker 2: you're in the moderate wing of the NATSA.
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  Speaker 3: How do you plead.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Chris versta All great to join you and I
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  Speaker 13: know Matt now for more than a dozen years. We
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  Speaker 13: served in cabinet together in the past and a parts
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  Speaker 13: some very rare occasions where we've disagreed on some policy areas.
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  Speaker 13: Matt and I get on famously well, and I've got
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  Speaker 13: no doubt there will be challenging issues that come before us,
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  Speaker 13: and we'll have to work constructively to achieve good outcome
• 19:58
  Speaker 13: for the people sentercy to represent them. But I will
• 20:00
  Speaker 13: make this a very simple point. The things that unite
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: Matt and I are much bigger than anything that might
• 20:05
  Speaker 13: divide us, and we are very passionate about making sure
• 20:09
  Speaker 13: regional Australians get a fairer share from a government which
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: after four years has left too many Australians worse off.
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: That's our focus and that's what we're working on together.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Well, there's hardly been an issue that's been bigger in
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Australian politics over the past couple of decades than net zero.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And you disagreed on that, didn't you.
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: Yeah, fair point, Chris, so that our party room voted
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: I think it was twenty twenty one. The party room
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: had a very long debate on that issue, and that
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: was back when Barnbill's leader. We agreed to go along
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: with net zero at the time, that's where the world
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: was going, and also finance markets were going and we
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: thought there's some trade implications for us as well. But
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: we also then last year revisited the issue and Matt
• 20:49
  Speaker 13: was one of the protagonists who put forward a change
• 20:53
  Speaker 13: position and I supported that position.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: So you strongly changed that position over a period of
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: four years.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Personally, are you strongly opposed to Australia going to net
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty now? And if so, what made
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you change your mind apart from politics?
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: Well, yes, I am opposed Christin. And it wasn't politics
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: that made me change my mind. It was the strength
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: of the argument that people like Matt were making in
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: the room around the damage it was doing to our
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: economy and the fact that the rest of the world
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: wasn't even.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Moving that direction anymore anyway.
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: We were moving too far, too fast and taking the
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: competit advantage of the strains have had for a very
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: long time is reliable and affordable energy. We were basically
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: throwing that out the window and wasn't going to achieve
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: the outcomes in terms of any environmental benefits because Australia
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: is less than one and a half percent of total
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: global emission. So it was the strength of the argument
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: put by people like Matt that convinced me that that
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: policy need to be jetisoned, and we did.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Politics is entering a very very difficult and unusual phase.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You've got one nation surging in the polls and obviously
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the coalition failing, the labor pretty low as well. It'll
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: be tested in the South Australian election the weekend after next.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: It'll be tested in the Phara by election as well.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with Pauline Hanson that one nation and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the Nationals have to work together. Isn't that a little
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: bit optimistic? I mean, you have to fight one nation
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: tooth and nail. Don you to hang on to your
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: regional seats.
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: Well, At the risk of being a political commentator, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: will make one really simple point, Chris, fifty years ago,
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: eighty percent of members in the House of Representatives won
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: their seat on primary votes. In the last election, just
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: eleven members out one hundred and fifty one on primary votes,
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: so that was seven percent of the member of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: House of rips. So this fragmentation, this splintering of votes
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: has been going on for a long period of time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: Now what we have to do in the Nationals and
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: the Liberals and Coalition is listen to Australians, understand their concerns,
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: bring forward constructive, practical policy positions which will increase our
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: primary votes. So good policies is good politics. We need
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: to make sure we are really focused on the issues
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: that matter to all Australians and that is something that
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: I think Matt can bring to this debate and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: hope to do as well.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: But one nation is not your friend, it's your enemy.
• 23:09
  Speaker 13: Surely well anyone who is running against you in a
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: seat is not your friend. You're trying to maximize your
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: primary vote to win the seat. Now obviously One Nation
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: is trying to maximize their vote as well. And I
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: would note that in the whole time of One Nation's existence,
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: they've never actually won a seat in the House of Representatives.
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: The only time they've actually had a member of the
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: House of Rips from One Nation is when Barnaby Joyce
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: for Teams last year. So we have fourteen National Party
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: members in the House of Rips who achieved more than
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: fifty percent of the vote to win those seats, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: I'm very confident that we will have the policies going
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: forward to retain those seats and win new ground.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Good stuff, Darren, thanks for joining us, said good luck
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and the new job.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Darren Chester, the Victorian Nationals MP, is now the deputy leader.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Now don't go away. We're going to have a short break.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, John Howard, wuld
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you and me live in the studio to discuss Iran,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: One Nation and the changing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Face of politics.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: It's thirty years today since John Howard was sworn in
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: as Australia's twenty fifth Prime Minister, and as you know
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to mark the occasion, Chris Yelman has put together a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: brilliant one hour documentary, John Howard, A Life in Politics.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It is tonight here on sky at seven thirty pm
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Eastern Daylight Saving time. It is fantastic. I saw it
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: on Monday. You will not be disappointed and I'm very
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: pleased to say that. John Howard joins me here live
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: in the studio. Good to speak to you again, mister Howard.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Thirty years since being sworn in? Can you remember the.
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: Elation of Oh I do I remember the elation of
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: the night the election, and also the sort of continuous joy,
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: so to speak of swearing in day which Sir William
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Dean In one of the very actor as the new
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: Governor General, swore in me and then Tim Fisher as
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: the Deputy Prime Minister of because it was a coalition
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: and then we had the ministers won by one sworn
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: in and of course the partnership with the National Party
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: was very important. Tim Fisher was a wonderful man, a
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: wonderful colleague, and a very loyal and effective Deputy Prime Minister,
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: and of course he was succeeded in John Anderson, who
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: I don't think i've met a more honorable, decent person
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: in public life than John and then Mark Bale, who,
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: as well as serving as Deputy Prime Minister, negotiated on
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: Austrata's behalf the free trade agreement with the United States.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: So they were quarterstones those and Apps. And of course
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: further to that, we had in Peter Costello and Alexander Downer, respectively,
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: the longest serving treat since Federation and the longest serving
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: Foreign minister, and the three of us we're in the
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: same positions for the duration of the Howard government. Now
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: that provided a lot of stability.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I'll call them a Troyker. It sounds like you're a communist.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: Now, ah, yeah, they do like Troy But.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That three, the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and the Foreign Minister,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: completely unmoved stable for that whole period of government was
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: critical and I've heard you speak on that before. But
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about some of the echoes down
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the agents that's reflected through the documentary. But let's start
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: off with the Nats, as you mentioned, because it happens
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: as we have a change in the Nationals leadership. What
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: do you think of Matt Canavan, how do you think
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you'll go and is it feasible to have your leader
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: in the Senate.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: I like the change. I respect Canaman. He's got views
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: and you're not afraid to express them, and he argues
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: his case very well. And the greatest craft but a
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: successful politician can have is to be a persuasive presenter,
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: and he does that. I think the new leadership at
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: the top of the two coalition parties will be very good.
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: I think he will work closely with Angus Taylor. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: think the two of them will be a formidable duo.
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: Mind you, neither of them is any delusion, nor they
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: should be about the task ahead. The coalition is not
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: doing well at present, but I don't despair. I don't
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: think it's an existential crisis, as the portentious saying goes.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: But it is a serious challenge, and anybody who believes
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: in a good, solid center right government for the future
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: must worry that these two men carry the burden of
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: restoring our fortunes.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: You might not like to describe it in these terms,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: but both parties have actually under a leadership that is
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: more conservative, haven't they.
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: Well, you can describe it either. Canivan did very well.
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: It is you're not is left or right? In a
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: political party's interested in what is right for Australia. Now,
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: I accept that, but I taught Susan Lee do the best.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: I respected her, she was graceful and dignified. But I
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: do think that the party reached the conclusion that it
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: needed to punch through more effectively, and that's why change leaders.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just speaking live on air to Pauline Hanson.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: She's an incredibly powerful figure in politics today. She first
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: came into politics in that nineteen ninety six election when
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you became Prime minister. Thirty years later, One Nation polling
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: probably higher than they.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Ever have done.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Chris Yulman's documentary and what
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: was said about One Nation then.
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: The disendorsed Queensland Liberal candidate turned One Nation leader Pauline
• 28:59
  Speaker 14: Hanson would dog the government through its first term and beyond.
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: I believe we are in danger of being swaunked by Asians.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: I might took the view that if I attacked her
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: too hard, I'd make her more prominent, And notwithstanding that,
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: she became reasonably prominent and to this day remains the
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: principal receptacle of disgruntled liberals who, for one reason or
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: another don't like us at the moment.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mister Howard, you saw her off back then.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: What advice would you give to Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan?
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: Now, Oh, I don't know that I would give any
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: different advice. You should never treat an opponent in a
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: trivial fashion, and people who just say, oh, she's just
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: that and the other in dismissive that's not being realist
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: a bit. Equally, you have to understand that some parties
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: can become complaint vehicles. And I still struggle to work
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: out precisely what one nation believes in what it stands
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: for my memory way back twenty five plus years ago,
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: when Pauline Hansen was the Member for Oxley after my
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: government's elected, she would occasionally ask me questions. They usually
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: be based on the premise that foreign investment was not
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: good for Australia. Well, I don't know how anybody can
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: seriously argue that. I mean, we have been built not totally,
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: but very largely on foreign British, American, Japanese and without
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: that foreign investment we'd have never had a medi car
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: industry in the first place. It became too difficult to sustain,
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: not because of the foreign investment. We just the sheared
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: economics of the auto industry.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Well, another issue that I think echoes down the ages
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: was a great difficulty for you through many years of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: your prime ministership was.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: The Iraq War. Let's go to the documentary again.
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: Saddan Hussein was eventually toppled, but there were no weapons
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: of mass destruction. Does that stand the test of time
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: that that decision to go into Iraq based on that intelligence?
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: Well, the intelligence that we were given all along was
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: that Iraq did have weapons of mass distraction and the
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: great fear was that if he didn't use them himself,
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: he would give them to an outdoor group who would
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: use them.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Given your experience, then what would be your assessment of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Iran war now and Australia's commitment to it, the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: war war in Iran being waged by Israel.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: And the I support what Trump and NETTNYO who have done.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: I thought the half baked deal concluded under the Obama
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: administration giving effectively Iran a leave pass to develop a
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: nuclear capacity with a huge mistake, and I said so
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: at the time. And I think America is right to
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: try and deny Iran the capacity to build a nuclear weapon.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: I thought the big mistake made in Iraq was not
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: so much the toppling of saddamhus Say and the invasion,
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: rather what was done after exactly the debart the vaccasion,
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: the dismantling of the civilian infrastructure. That's always a mistake.
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: You've got to have somebody to run the show when
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: you've taken it over. And unless you've got that, if
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: you've dismantled the self government apparatus, then you're really battling.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: When you look at the current conflict Israel and the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: US on Iran, with the UK specific basically stepping back
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: from it, not allowing its bases to be used, Donald
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Trump said, Sir Kirstarmer is no Winston Churchill.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: Wow, I think that stadium, the obvious is not Winston.
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: But may I further to those analogies, may I make
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: the observation, particularly with Canada in mind, that Donald Trump
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: is no Dwight Eisenhower or Franklin Ellen Roosevelt, because both
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: of those men who were intimately involved with Winston Churchill
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: in devising the Normany invasion which liberated Europe from the
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Nazis relied heavily on the Canadians. The third largest military
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: contingent on the sixth of June nineteen forty four, after
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: the American and the British, were the Canadians. And I
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: could understand the anger of many Canadians of the way
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: in which Trump poked fun at them and talked about
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: taking them over and making them a fifty first state.
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: That was very condescending.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And they get a few countries, but it's the Canadians
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you think have been most points.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: Canada, on a per capita basis, and I don't think
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: I'm wrong, on a per capita proportional basis, suffered more
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: battle deaths and casualties in Afghanistan than any other country now,
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: not in total, but proportionally. I can remember talking to
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: my Canadian counterpart, Stephen Harper, about this some years ago,
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: and he was in favor of the involvement, but he said, gee,
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: we're paying a heavy pace, heavy pride, and I just
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: thought away in which Trump tried to sneer at them,
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: and it was just uncalled for.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Now thirty years thirty years ago you became Prime minister.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Politics changed a lot while you were in government. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: was a reporter and then a worker in your government.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Through that period, and we just started to get a
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: faster edge to the news cycle I think towards the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: end Sky News and twenty four New, twenty four Hour,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: seven years and all the rest of it. But how
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: do you reckon it's gone now? It's on steroids, isn't it?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: With social media? How would you conduct political debate now?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: In this social media age? Would you be on Instagram
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and techtokal?
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: Well? I doubt it, but I don't know.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Has it changed the game completely.
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: It's increase the pressure for instantaneous responses, which are bad
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: for not only your digestion, but very bad per sensible
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: policy making. Sometimes you do need time to think, to
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: kick things around and have a discussion internally about what
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: your attitude is. And if you don't claim that right
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: and you don't exercise that capacity, then you'll make the
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: wrong decision.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Mister Howard, thanks so much for coming in. Congratulations on
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the thirty year anniversary. The documentary is superb, and I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: got to say I just want to put it on
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the record here. It was the greatest honor of my
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: life to play a small role in your government.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: By Well, I'm very kind to say that, and I've
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: seen the dyk o own. It's what's really good about
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: I mean, you're always flattering again something nice said about you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: But I think it was very good as it does
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: cutch upon many of the major features of the government
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: and as an historical perspective.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: It's good, great stuff. Thanks so much, mister Howe.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Mister Howe, there, John Howard, his Life in Politics seven
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: point thirty tonight here on sky.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Do not miss it. You will not be disappointed.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Is it is a cracking piece of insight and instant history.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Now coming up.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll cross to the UK and catch
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: up with Esther Crack, who talked to her about the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: government releasing a new definition of anti Muslim hate. Let's
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: go to the UK and catch up with writer and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: broadcaster Esther Cracker, who joins us every Wednesday.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Esther.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Very keen to get your insights into the debate about
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the around war and how it's affecting the economy. A
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: lot of focus on fuel prices, inflation and the stock
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: market here in Australia. Has it's playing out in the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: UK and for the Standard government well.
• 37:16
  Speaker 15: Not very well as you might imagine. I mean, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: think it's kind of been a gift for the Labor Party.
• 37:20
  Speaker 15: They've been able to lean on the fact that inflation
• 37:23
  Speaker 15: is probably going to be higher than they expected. But really,
• 37:26
  Speaker 15: most voters, surprisingly they're not buying it because I think
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: they understand that there's been very little leeway that have
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: been given, that's been given to already a numic economy
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: by this labor government. You know, if they say things like, oh,
• 37:39
  Speaker 15: it's Trump, it's the gas price, it's all of this,
• 37:41
  Speaker 15: it's well, you know, most voters can turn around and say,
• 37:43
  Speaker 15: but you hiked business you hide taxes on businesses and
• 37:48
  Speaker 15: decided to cozy up to your friends and banks in
• 37:51
  Speaker 15: central London instead of helping out the sort of the
• 37:54
  Speaker 15: average working person. You are responsible for all a lot
• 37:57
  Speaker 15: of the strife that we're facing because you decided to
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: raise taxes and not for anything good. It was just
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: basically to offer union's inflation busting pay rises which the
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: country couldn't afford, for no kind of guarantees of increased efficiency,
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: and basically increase our welfare spending. I mean, we have
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: some of the highest welfare spending in the world. One
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: in six people that are receiving to benefit payments are
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: not even British citizens, so a lot of people don't
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: have a lot of patients for the labor government now
• 38:26
  Speaker 15: trying to posture and saying it's Trump's fault when really
• 38:30
  Speaker 15: the economy hasn't been in good hands for the year
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: and a half that Labor has been in power.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Has the denunciation of Kirstamma by Donald Trump as being
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: no Winston Churchill hurt him or actually helped him, as
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you're saying by distancing himself from Trump, is the war
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: unpopular and therefore the division with Donald Trump a bonus for.
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: Him, not necessarily, I mean politically speaking, Kirstamer is a
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: dead man walking. That kind of tends to happen when
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: you appointed Jeffrey Epstein's friend who effectively functioned that's our
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: deputy Prime minister, when he's been accused of basically sending
• 39:06
  Speaker 15: the man sensitive information during the financial crisis. So there's
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: not really anything It was like kicking a dead puppy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 15: There's not really Donald Trump. Anything Donald Trump could say
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  Speaker 15: that would worsen Kis Starmer's reputation with the British public,
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  Speaker 15: but it has kind of shown another level of his
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  Speaker 15: lack of readiness to be Prime minister, which is his.
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  Speaker 12: Inability to really be a proper statement.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, one of the things that Donald Trump called
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  Speaker 15: him upon was basically refusing to allow the US to
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  Speaker 15: use Diego Garcia, the military base in the Chegos Islands,
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  Speaker 15: for the start of this offensive, because they were basically
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  Speaker 15: gifts wrapping it to the Mauritians a territory that they've
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: never owned. That we are basically paying someone to take
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  Speaker 15: territory that we own, which is absurd and I think
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  Speaker 15: the first and international history. But Donald Trump also said
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  Speaker 15: that he wasn't interested in Kirs Darmer's offer of help
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  Speaker 15: a few days later, saying that he doesn't want people
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  Speaker 15: that come on side when they're already winning the war,
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: which is fair enough. Why would you refuse to give
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  Speaker 15: the US help with something as basic as letting them
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  Speaker 15: use a joint military base, but then turn around and say, oh,
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  Speaker 15: we're going to send military ships and offer military assistance
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  Speaker 15: to the release.
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  Speaker 12: That's pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has had the fathom in such a crucial alliance,
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  Speaker 2: especially I want to go to the issue of terrorism
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  Speaker 2: and an Islamist extremism. It strikes me as unusual given
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  Speaker 2: the number of terrorist atrocities that have been committed in
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Britain over so many years and up until recent times
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  Speaker 2: that the government seems to be focused on what they
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: call Islamophobia or adie Muslim hate. Steve Reid, the UK's
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  Speaker 2: Community Secretary, has had this to.
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  Speaker 16: Say, Muslim communities are facing shocking levels of abuse, anti
• 40:47
  Speaker 16: Muslim hate crimes are at record levels. So today we
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  Speaker 16: are adopting a non statutory definition of anti Muslim hostility.
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  Speaker 16: This gives a clear explanation of unacceptable prejudice, discrimination and
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  Speaker 16: hatred targeting Muslims, so we can take action to stop it.
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  Speaker 3: What's your take on this, yesther?
• 41:11
  Speaker 15: Notice how the comments was virtually empty when you were
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: saying that because everyone has been waiting for the government's
• 41:17
  Speaker 15: islamophobia definition that they've now neatly repackaged as anti Muslim
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: hate and slipped through the new cycle of the same
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: week that Donald Trump has been criticizing Kirstama.
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  Speaker 12: But you know, the Liberal government doesn't know what it's doing.
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  Speaker 15: This definition, I kid you not, as one hundred and
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  Speaker 15: forty four words long, and they preface that with one
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: four hundred word document which they said has to be read.
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  Speaker 12: Together with that long definition and basically they've.
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: Found themselves between a rock and a hard place because
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  Speaker 15: they're saying, oh, this definition doesn't affect people's statutory rights
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  Speaker 15: to freedom of speech, which is fine, but they've chosen
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  Speaker 15: to emphasize this form of hate which is already illegal.
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: This is what is baffling people. Anti Semitism has also
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: risen quite significantly, to the extent that a few months
• 41:59
  Speaker 15: ago two British Jews were murdered in Manchester for being Jews,
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  Speaker 15: and there's not the same level of attention and scrutiny
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: on that form of hatred. But somehow, you know, the
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: Labor government is falling over itself to not try and
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: alienate the Muslim votes because of the rise of the
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: Green Party, and this is why they're going on this fruitless.
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  Speaker 12: Task of saying it's not illegal.
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: It's not considered illegal speech if you criticize Islam or
• 42:25
  Speaker 15: sort of the tension between Islam and the West, particularly
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: in the UK. But we don't like it. So this
• 42:31
  Speaker 15: is our finger wagging definition to tell you that you
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: can say what you like, but we don't like it,
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: and we may take action.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: It's to worry.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, yes, so appreciate it esto correctly
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: in the UK, with some of these issues obviously resonate
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: very strongly with the debate in our own country. We've
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: got to get to a break on the other side
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: of the Wednesday Wrangle with the Nika and Justin we'll
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: talk about punning, a serious stuff, but also Jackie O
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: teaming up with Megan Markel.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I just want to bring you some breaking news.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Listen to this, have a look, but it's more the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: sound than anything you'll see. This is near the Dubai
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Airport just minutes ago. Yeah, missile went flying overhead and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that explosion was heard in the vicinity of the Dubai Airport.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Thousands of Australians they're trying to fly home, my brother
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: among them. Let's hope that those ossies can get out
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of there and people can be safe pretty soon.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Stop those missiles and drones coming in.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Let's get on to the Wednesday Wrangle now with Late
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Debate co host a Nika the Giorgio here, congratulations on
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the shift to the Late Debate A later night for you,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and broadcaster author columnist Justin Smith joins us from Melbourne.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I try to get quick thoughts from each of you.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Give us twenty five seconds of your best. I've praised
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Tony Burke for the way he's been able to manage
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: this and make sure all those Iranians got to make.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: A choice about asylum away from any pressure. Am I
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: being too kind to Nika?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Look?
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  Speaker 17: I just think I think finally we've seen Labor on
• 44:05
  Speaker 17: the right side of history. It's the first time they've
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: been on the right side of history.
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  Speaker 9: For a long time.
• 44:08
  Speaker 17: It bothered me though, seeing Tony Burke smiling there like
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: a chesher cat in front of the newspapers, when let's
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: look at his history the last few years. He's leaving
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: three thousand gardens with little to no security checks, plus
• 44:17
  Speaker 17: the ISIS brides probably more along the way. But now
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: this is a very big political moment for them. However,
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: they did do the right thing. I just think you
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: just can't trust Tony Burke.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one he's got right though.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And even those six women now justin who have of
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: course got asylum in Australia. That's wonderful news for them,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: but that the start of a very very difficult time
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: for them as well.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Oh look, it's not over for them.
• 44:42
  Speaker 18: You can only imagine what they have been going through
• 44:45
  Speaker 18: while they've been here, actually what they've been going through
• 44:47
  Speaker 18: their entire lives, and now that they have their families
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: to worry about as well. But I think it's a
• 44:54
  Speaker 18: very good reminder that there are a lot of people
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: in need around this world, that are in unsafe play,
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: and sometimes they need our help. Sometimes they need our asylum.
• 45:04
  Speaker 18: There are genuine refugees, and these are some of them.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: We're trying to fix their country for them, world of
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the US and Israel are trying to fix their country
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: for them. At the moment, let's go to something a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: little bit more mundane. I tell you what, But you've
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: got to keep focusing on this stuff. The way governments
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: love to waste our money. And as we all know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the Victorian government had this ridiculous idea of hosting the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games in Regional Victoria. Then they pulled out of it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: They had to pay money to get out of it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: They wasted a bunch of money duchessing people before the games,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and then have a little bit this. They even spent
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: a million dollars on a promo video.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: For the trips Kim.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: The these are for games that never happened.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Games they had to pay money to get out of
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: these people when they have hands on our money.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Are just so reckless.
• 46:10
  Speaker 17: Is this why they're charging for the apostles now, Chris?
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: They need to recoup the money back because they've overspent,
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: overshot the budget on absolutely everything.
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: Seriously.
• 46:19
  Speaker 17: Firstly, aside from the fact that this is costing the taxpayer,
• 46:21
  Speaker 17: I despare for the Victorian taxpayer. That's what that cost. Really,
• 46:26
  Speaker 17: you need a better marketing team. Seriously, you need a
• 46:28
  Speaker 17: better marketing team Victoria. But you know, I just think
• 46:32
  Speaker 17: this is once again, I really do despare for the
• 46:35
  Speaker 17: Victorian taxpayer. It's burden after burden.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: The state is so.
• 46:39
  Speaker 17: Broke and they are up for cost after cost and
• 46:42
  Speaker 17: we still don't know the full details. Christ don't forget
• 46:44
  Speaker 17: we don't know what's gone on really with the Commonwealth Games.
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: There is a veil of secrecy in that government. And yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 17: the taxpayer suffers as usual.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Justin you're a Victorian, there your taxes.
• 46:56
  Speaker 18: What are you going to bring this up for? You know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 18: I'm having a nice day. The sun was shining for
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: most of the time here and now you're going to
• 47:03
  Speaker 18: bring up the Commonwealth Games to me?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Here, you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 18: Look it's just been a monumental embarrassment the whole way through.
• 47:12
  Speaker 18: And you know, God helped the next Australian city that
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: decides that they actually really want the Commonwealth Games and
• 47:18
  Speaker 18: they go after them because they're going to have to
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: cop all the flak and they're going to get all
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: the questions that the Victorian government should have been getting
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: here about where the money was they spent. They're just
• 47:29
  Speaker 18: going to cop it even if they were trying, if
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: they're trying to do it the right way, maybe they
• 47:32
  Speaker 18: just do it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe not everybody's as incompetent as the Andrews government was.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, we talked the other week
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: about how Meghan and Harry heading to Australia.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: We found out today what Megan's going to be doing.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: She's got to.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Gig with the former radio host Jackie Oh doing some
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: sort of podcast thing. Tonicka, you're in this sort of stuff,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you're going to be dialing into this Wae.
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: We could not pay me and Harry, the Duke and
• 47:55
  Speaker 17: Duchess of Montecito back for another Montecito money grab. Why
• 47:58
  Speaker 17: because their Netflix deal was dumped this week, So now
• 48:01
  Speaker 17: they've got to come back christ three grand a pop.
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: If you've got a lousy three grand lying around, you
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: can come to Sydney and listen to Megan speak. Maybe
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: maybe she can tell us how she makes her jams
• 48:12
  Speaker 17: or her Christmas crackers.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, no doubt there will be some money
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: that falls off the tray at some stage for charity.
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: Justin Yeah, well there might be an upside to it,
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: but I'm sort of struggling to see what that upside is.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: You can pick partners, can't you.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Gone.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: She's gone from that bloke Kyle Kyles. She's gone from.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Kyle Sanvlan's to Meccan Parkle. I know which one I'd prefer.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: But thanks, So you want to get Justin and Tanka,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: That's all the time we've got for you tonight. Don't
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: forget seven point thirty John Howard, A life in Politics.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow