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- 0:00SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Davy Tree Expert Company's podcast, Talking Trees.
- 0:05SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Doug Oester.
- 0:06SPEAKER_00: Each week, our expert arborists share advice on seasonal tree care, how to make your trees thrive, arborists' favorite trees, and much, much more.
- 0:16SPEAKER_00: Tune in every Thursday to learn more because here at the Talking Trees Podcast, we know trees are the answer.
- 0:23SPEAKER_00: Well, we've got a fun episode for you today.
- 0:27SPEAKER_00: I'm joined by Frank Thompson.
- 0:29SPEAKER_00: He is an arborist for the Davy Tree Expert Company in Buffalo.
- 0:34SPEAKER_00: Before you came on, we were both complaining that it's cold and all the water's frozen.
- 0:40SPEAKER_00: Yes, this week especially, for sure.
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: And it's about to get worse.
- 0:45SPEAKER_00: Well, Frank, I'm excited about this uh episode.
- 0:49SPEAKER_00: Trees, arborist love.
- 0:51SPEAKER_00: This is uh we're we're spinning this off Valentine's Day, so uh it's a love affair with the trees.
- 0:58SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
- 1:00SPEAKER_00: Before we get into that, though, let's just start right off the bat with how did this job come about for you?
- 1:06SPEAKER_00: Why trees?
- 1:08SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
- 1:09SPEAKER_01: Um, so I studied conservation biology in college, and it trees kind of came into the forefront uh once I went to a satellite um campus that happened to be stationed in the Adirondacks.
- 1:27SPEAKER_01: It's only accessible by boat.
- 1:29SPEAKER_01: So once you were out there, you were out there until you were done.
- 1:34SPEAKER_01: Um and so it kind of all stemmed from there.
- 1:38SPEAKER_01: It was the first time I ever got to see an old growth hemlock forest.
- 1:41SPEAKER_01: It was probably one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
- 1:45SPEAKER_01: Um, and it just kind of snowballed after that.
- 1:48SPEAKER_01: Um, got out of college, started working for um, believe it or not, the Olmstead Park System in the city of Buffalo.
- 1:56SPEAKER_01: Uh, was working as a forestry technician there.
- 1:59SPEAKER_01: And then once I found Davy, I did more of like the traveling arbicultural stuff, um, doing a lot of tree inventories.
- 2:07SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, my my first assignment for Davy Tree was fire damaged tree risk assessments out in California as a result of the paradise fire.
- 2:17SPEAKER_01: So it was we got thrown into it pretty quick.
- 2:20SPEAKER_01: So ever since then, it's been trees, trees, and more trees.
- 2:24SPEAKER_00: Tell me about this place.
- 2:25SPEAKER_00: It's only uh uh you can only get there by boat.
- 2:28SPEAKER_00: How long, how long were you do you stay there?
- 2:31SPEAKER_01: So uh it is the cranberry lake uh satellite campus through uh SUNY ESF, the uh School for Environmental Sciences and Forestry.
- 2:39SPEAKER_01: They're out in Syracuse, New York.
- 2:41SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, Cranberry Lake is one of the you know many lakes out in the Adirondack region, and their campus out there um is kind of stuck um really on the other side, and it really is only accessible by boat.
- 2:58SPEAKER_01: There are no roads that come to that um area on that other side of the lake, really.
- 3:03SPEAKER_01: And so part of our uh degree requirements was you had to go do a cranberry lake um semester, and I believe it was a little over four or five weeks, so it was about a month that you were out there.
- 3:18SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, you packed your bags with your field gear, rain gear, everything that you would need, and you brought some fun stuff too.
- 3:25SPEAKER_01: You know, you bring a couple of fishing rods or whatever you want to bring.
- 3:29SPEAKER_01: Uh get on the boat, you go there with about I would say about 30, 40 other students plus a few professors, and um, everything was just kind of more field-based work, learning how to, you know, do tons of different samplings and running tricecs and things like that.
- 3:47SPEAKER_01: And um, they have a couple of just really, really cool, unique areas that you really don't see.
- 3:53SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's just all right there in that little satellite uh satellite campus there.
- 3:58SPEAKER_00: Was it a cool experience for you?
- 4:00SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say out of my entire college experience, it was one of my favorites.
- 4:05SPEAKER_01: Um, just because you get you were just completely immersed into that environment, and uh you had a mix of some more kind of mixed deciduous forests that were kind of not really old growth just yet, but they were getting there.
- 4:23SPEAKER_01: Um, biggest thing we got to see was kind of the result of like the beech bark disease outbreak and kind of how uh Native American beech trees were reacting kind of in that forested landscape in a more natural setting.
- 4:35SPEAKER_01: We were able to get into a hole, a bunch of wetlands, um, some really cool, you know, more bog or marsh species that you just you don't normally see them.
- 4:44SPEAKER_01: Um, like even like seeing black spruces in the wild doing their thing, and um anything like mosses and sun drops, and we got to see, you know, um I forget what the glowing moss is called, but it glow it essentially glows in the dark the way it reflects light.
- 5:01SPEAKER_01: It was really, really cool.
- 5:02SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you know, a short canoe ride from the campus itself to another super remote area of the campus property, uh, that's where you got to see that old growth hemlock forest, which was just really, really cool.
- 5:15SPEAKER_01: We didn't do a lot there, we just kind of had like more of a field lecture.
- 5:19SPEAKER_01: Um, they really try to keep that area as you know hands off as possible.
- 5:25SPEAKER_01: They really just want to keep it as is and preserve it as much as possible.
- 5:30SPEAKER_01: And you know, seeing no sign of human activity there um is is one of the coolest things because you don't get that a lot.
- 5:38SPEAKER_00: Boy, that sounds amazing to me.
- 5:41SPEAKER_00: And when we get to the end of the show, I'm gonna ask about the fishing poles.
- 5:45SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, yeah.
- 5:46SPEAKER_00: I I hope that was like uh one of those experiences where nobody fishes there and you are out there and just catching them one after another.
- 5:54SPEAKER_00: But let's save that for the end.
- 5:56SPEAKER_00: Let's talk trees.
- 5:57SPEAKER_00: All right.
- 5:58SPEAKER_00: So the motto of this uh show is right tree, right place.
- 6:02SPEAKER_00: We're we're we know that part.
- 6:05SPEAKER_00: Now the fun part is picking your brain about your favorites and what is the first one that comes to mind when you find the right spot for it.
- 6:14SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say, you know, I you know, I know we were kind of talking a little bit before this, you know, um, kind of throughout my just experience as an arborist, I guess, and it would be more through my Davy career for sure, has you know led me to some of these trees, which is really, really cool.
- 6:31SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, one of the trees that I'd really like to talk about um is on the west coast.
- 6:36SPEAKER_01: I'm from the east coast, I'm from Buffalo, New York.
- 6:38SPEAKER_01: Um, so you know, I had an opportunity to see an entire different uh you know species composition of everything.
- 6:47SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say one of my favorite trees from that west coast area uh is uh Pinus uh Sabiniana or the gray pine, uh California foothill pine, it's got a ton of other common names.
- 7:00SPEAKER_01: Um reason why I liked that tree so much, uh to give it a little background context.
- 7:05SPEAKER_01: I went there, I believe it was 2018, as a result of the Paradise uh wildfires in uh Paradise, California.
- 7:16SPEAKER_01: And when we got into where kind of some of the fire damaged areas, I just kept seeing little stands of these trees, some big, some small.
- 7:26SPEAKER_01: Um, what's super unique about them is one west coast trees are absolutely massive.
- 7:31SPEAKER_01: Um, they get really, really big, and I've never seen the Pinus Sabinana pine cones.
- 7:38SPEAKER_01: Um if you can imagine a smaller football with three-quarter inch super sharp spikes on it, and the thing weighs probably three or four pounds.
- 7:50SPEAKER_01: Um, it is it was one of those things where it kind of shocked me a little bit, where uh, you know, I've never seen a tree like that.
- 7:58SPEAKER_01: You know, it was like, oh, you know, the pines over here, they're nice, they're wispy and soft looking, and the you know, the pine cones aren't really, you know, armed or you know, they're nice, and if one of them falls on you, they don't have to worry about it.
- 8:12SPEAKER_01: But I I could never imagine seeing a pine cone fall out of this tree, and heaven forbid it hit somebody.
- 8:17SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was just one of the you know, gnarly, gnarly looking tree for sure.
- 8:23SPEAKER_01: And a lot of them survived a lot of those forest fires, uh, which is really, really cool.
- 8:29SPEAKER_01: Uh, I never really got a chance to see a fire-adapted species up close and personal before.
- 8:35SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's interesting.
- 8:37SPEAKER_00: Uh, was it love at first sight?
- 8:40SPEAKER_01: Uh I think so, yeah.
- 8:42SPEAKER_01: Um, and mostly it was because when you got in there, um there was not a lot going on.
- 8:48SPEAKER_01: Um when you hear about forest fires out in California and just how bad they are.
- 8:54SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think they're giving these fires enough credit, in my estimation.
- 9:00SPEAKER_01: Uh, it is absolutely devastating uh when you go into areas that have been evacuated, state of emergency areas, you know, you know, they talk about you know people's homes being lost.
- 9:13SPEAKER_01: They are.
- 9:14SPEAKER_01: It is you see some remnants of a foundation, and that is it.
- 9:19SPEAKER_01: There's nothing left.
- 9:21SPEAKER_00: So I think this is the first time I've ever had an arborist from the east talk about a tree they love in the west, and that's due to your travel experiences.
- 9:32SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
- 9:34SPEAKER_01: You know, I got to I got to do a lot of West Coast work.
- 9:37SPEAKER_01: Um, I even did a lot of work even like in the southeastern United States, in uh like Nashville, Tennessee, I spent a lot of time in there, uh, a lot of time in West Virginia.
- 9:48SPEAKER_01: I mean, even if you just go, you know, relatively just direct east, um, even the state of Delaware has a you know wide array of different composition of tree species and size variations and everything else.
- 10:01SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, coming from an arborist point of view, that's really, really cool.
- 10:06SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, you see the same species of tree, you're like, Yeah, we have those at home, but they only get maybe 20-25 feet tall.
- 10:13SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you just travel a little bit towards the coast or you travel a little bit south, you see that same tree, and they double in size almost.
- 10:21SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
- 10:22SPEAKER_01: Well, we're off to a great start.
- 10:24SPEAKER_01: What's next?
- 10:25SPEAKER_01: So I would say the next tree um that I really, really love is one that um once I kind of got into Davy Buffalo here, is actually a tree that we've been, you know, kind of blessed with the opportunity to work on um over the past few years.
- 10:41SPEAKER_01: And uh we've been able to kind of we've been able to prune it and kind of see it, you know, throughout the years.
- 10:47SPEAKER_01: So um it is a very specific individual uh white oak that happens to be in the middle of a golf course in Jamestown, New York.
- 10:59SPEAKER_01: And uh this white oak was there before the golf course was constructed, and so they designed this course around this tree, and it sits right behind the whole floor green, and this tree, when I first saw it, was 72 inches diameter at breast height, absolutely massive.
- 11:23SPEAKER_01: Um, and I pulled up my computer immediately and I drew a polygon around the uh canopy coverage of this tree.
- 11:34SPEAKER_01: This tree covers 11,000 square feet of space, and so it is just an absolute massive mature white oak, and uh, we've been able to deadwood it a couple times throughout the years, and uh this tree could accommodate you, could have four or five different climbers in this tree all at once working on this tree.
- 11:57SPEAKER_01: It is that that big.
- 11:59SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, when you you know, out here in Buffalo, you drive down the street and you see some of the oaks are around, those are, I mean, the size of one of the scaffold branches on this white oak.
- 12:10SPEAKER_01: This white oak has 40, 50 of these scaffold branches, and it's all stemming from one trunk.
- 12:16SPEAKER_01: It is really, really, really cool.
- 12:18SPEAKER_01: That's probably been one of my favorite trees that I've you know been able to work on in the local area.
- 12:23SPEAKER_01: It's really, really cool.
- 12:25SPEAKER_00: Well, I like uh as an arborist, the first thing you do is flip open your computer and then try and figure out how how big the uh yeah, you gotta nerd out a little bit.
- 12:37SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd be afraid I I would love to get an age on that tree, but you know, to get a true age, you either take a cookie or you take a core.
- 12:44SPEAKER_01: And I don't I would hate to have to do that to that tree.
- 12:47SPEAKER_00: What is that what does that mean?
- 12:48SPEAKER_00: What does it mean to take a cookie?
- 12:50SPEAKER_01: Um, so unfortunately, if you were to take a cookie of a tree, it means that the tree essentially gets removed.
- 12:57SPEAKER_01: Um, and so you would actually take the cookie of a tree, which is essentially a very small, thin cross section of the main trunk of the tree.
- 13:04SPEAKER_01: And when, you know, I would say in most cases, you would then prep that cookie by sanding it and making the rings a little bit more visible so that you can actually count them by hand.
- 13:17SPEAKER_01: Um, it's obviously not the preferred way to age out a tree if the tree is perfectly fine, um, but it is a way to see how old a tree was um and when it was removed.
- 13:28SPEAKER_01: And you know, take the cookie, count the rings, and each ring is a year, and that's how many years, and that's how old the tree is.
- 13:37SPEAKER_01: And what's the other way?
- 13:39SPEAKER_01: The other way is taking a core, uh, which is uh essentially you are taking a small diameter drill bit, but how it works is it uh leaves essentially a small cylinder of that main trunk, and in that cylinder are the same rings that show up as you would take a cookie, but it is far less invasive to the tree itself.
- 14:06SPEAKER_01: You know, you can actually age a tree and then actually still have it live, stand there, and live a happy, healthy life, as long as you do it properly, of course.
- 14:14SPEAKER_01: Um the cores are a little tricky sometimes.
- 14:18SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you get broken cores, sometimes you don't get you know good solid cores because you don't know what's going inside, going on inside that tree all the time.
- 14:26SPEAKER_01: Um, but it you know, that's another way where you can actually age out a tree without cutting it completely down.
- 14:33SPEAKER_00: Is that is that safe?
- 14:34SPEAKER_00: Is that I mean, would you do that in a big tree like that, or would you be worried that you might be, I don't know, opening it up to a problem?
- 14:42SPEAKER_01: Or I would be a little hesitant on a tree that old, in my opinion.
- 14:46SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, if if you can make some sort of there are many different ways to evaluate the health of a tree, and not all of them are a hundred percent correct, not all of them are a hundred percent guaranteed, but um I kind of believe you know, doing less is a little bit more sometimes, definitely.
- 15:06SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, if you don't have to put this tree through a surgery, you know, even if it's a minor surgery, there could always be some sort of complication at the end of it if you kind of put it in you know perspective on how we would go in for anything.
- 15:21SPEAKER_00: What is it like to work on a tree that that is that old?
- 15:26SPEAKER_00: That is that is it's it's that's important.
- 15:28SPEAKER_00: That's important for a tree like that that's been around for so long.
- 15:32SPEAKER_01: Um, it definitely makes you feel small, um for sure.
- 15:37SPEAKER_01: Um, what is probably the coolest thing about it is you get to experience that tree at that specific time in that specific moment.
- 15:49SPEAKER_01: Um, and if you kind of pull yourself out of you know out of that moment that you just had, you you can think about that there could be potentially, I mean, this is a golf course.
- 16:01SPEAKER_01: People are golfing probably every single day that they can, especially on, you know, even in Western New York, they're gonna be out there.
- 16:09SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, this tree could have had interactions with tens of thousands of people, if not more.
- 16:17SPEAKER_01: Um, which, you know, when there's something where, you know, you can say that tree is a pretty permanent part of that golf course, and you know, realistically, at some point that tree is not going to be there anymore.
- 16:32SPEAKER_01: Um but it is really cool to think about, you know, that I am not the only one who is able to experience this, you know.
- 16:40SPEAKER_01: And when you kind of pull it into a scale of tens of thousands of people, it could be more, it could be less.
- 16:48SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
- 16:49SPEAKER_01: Um, but that makes it, you know, it makes you feel like you're definitely a part of something a little bit bigger.
- 16:56SPEAKER_00: So we're out in California, now we've been in Buffalo.
- 16:59SPEAKER_00: Where are we going next?
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say definitely a little bit still closer to home.
- 17:05SPEAKER_01: Uh I definitely around the Buffalo area.
- 17:08SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say probably one of my other, you know, really, really, you know, trees that stick really close to home, one of my favorites, um, American sycamores.
- 17:20SPEAKER_01: Um I think they are incredibly unique.
- 17:24SPEAKER_01: Um just even just looking at one from the outside.
- 17:28SPEAKER_01: You don't necessarily get to see a tree that has bleach white bark, but then also is super camouflaged.
- 17:37SPEAKER_01: Um I like this tree because you know, you get to see it in urban settings.
- 17:43SPEAKER_01: Like the Olmsted Park system has a good handful of them that are really, really cool, super unique, you know, around the Japanese gardens, around uh where they do Shakespeare in the park, over in Delaware Park.
- 17:57SPEAKER_01: Um there's an extremely historically old sycamore in the city of Buffalo on Franklin Street, believe it or not.
- 18:05SPEAKER_01: That is a coincidence.
- 18:07SPEAKER_01: Um and it is absolutely massive.
- 18:10SPEAKER_01: Um, and it is a they construct the street around this tree.
- 18:15SPEAKER_01: Um, and we've been, you know, a Davies been attached to that tree a little bit as well.
- 18:20SPEAKER_01: So um I really like sycamores um just because of their their you know ability to be planted and grow and succeed almost everywhere, um, and also their kind of variation in their growth habits.
- 18:33SPEAKER_01: That tree in the city of Buffalo is short, thick, and stout.
- 18:39SPEAKER_01: Um, but you go, you know, anywhere in the Western New York area, um, Zor Valley is is a very you know famous area that goes along, you know, uh Cataragas Creek cuts through Zor Valley.
- 18:53SPEAKER_01: It's a multi-use area, so you can hike, you can fish, you can kind of do um a little bit of everything out there.
- 19:00SPEAKER_01: Um they have stands and stands and stands of these sycamores uh next to this creek, and they're tall and skinny, you know, they are it's almost 80, 90 feet of trunk and a few branches up top.
- 19:15SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it's I would say, you know, outside of that, you know, it's just super unique tree.
- 19:21SPEAKER_01: They have super unique bark.
- 19:22SPEAKER_01: Um they look different than almost anything else in the landscape, and they kind of take on their own form, uh, which is really, really cool, whether it be in an urban setting or a natural setting.
- 19:34SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you a sad sycamore story.
- 19:37SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I was had it, I was working in a newspaper, I was doing photo research.
- 19:43SPEAKER_00: Uh President Ford came to Pittsburgh the day after he had uh pardoned Richard Nixon.
- 19:52SPEAKER_00: And you know, there's gonna be all sorts of uh demonstrations and such.
- 19:56SPEAKER_00: Well, I found a picture of the park, our local park, which was being renovated, you know, 30 years later, and it just had these little sycamores in there, and I was like, oh man, that's so cool to see those like that.
- 20:11SPEAKER_00: Well, when they redid the park, what do you think they did?
- 20:14SPEAKER_01: Oh, did they scrape them all out of there?
- 20:17SPEAKER_00: Um all the beautiful mature sycamores, and what do you think they planted in place?
- 20:24SPEAKER_01: Park.
- 20:25SPEAKER_00: Um little sycamores.
- 20:28SPEAKER_01: Oh, just little sycamores.
- 20:29SPEAKER_01: I was like, did they do some European green trees or something?
- 20:33SPEAKER_00: They just replaced the sycamores with sycamores.
- 20:35SPEAKER_00: That's the kind of stuff that drives somebody like me nuts.
- 20:39SPEAKER_00: Now, Frank, before I let you go, uh before we came on, uh Frank uh was checking out my Instagram, he saw my fishing pictures, and so I had a little bit window where where we had soft water.
- 20:52SPEAKER_00: I want to hear this this college experience.
- 20:56SPEAKER_00: Was it the most amazing fishing ever?
- 20:58SPEAKER_00: Or are you do you have any fish tails?
- 21:01SPEAKER_01: It was really cool.
- 21:02SPEAKER_01: Um, so definitely out in Cranberry Lake.
- 21:04SPEAKER_01: Um, the area that we were in was kind of it was a lot of um definitely a little bit more shallow, definitely a little bit warmer water um in those areas.
- 21:13SPEAKER_01: So it was a lot of great smallmouth and largemouth bass fishing.
- 21:17SPEAKER_01: Um it was not crankbait friendly.
- 21:22SPEAKER_01: Um lot of blowovers, a lot of wood in the water, and the water was very, very uh tannic.
- 21:29SPEAKER_01: It was dark with all that leaf litter that was in there.
- 21:33SPEAKER_01: And so the fish, when you pull them out of the water, they were dark too.
- 21:37SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, coming from, you know, I'm right in Buffalo, Lake Erie is right next to me.
- 21:42SPEAKER_01: So the smallmouth that come out of there, it you know, you think you know, this golden brown with the nice little striping.
- 21:48SPEAKER_01: You pull a smallmouth out of cranberry lake, they are almost all brown, like dark, dark, you know, dark, dark brown.
- 21:57SPEAKER_01: Um no, but yeah, cranberry lake fishing was really, really fun.
- 22:01SPEAKER_01: It was really cool.
- 22:02SPEAKER_01: Um, only because you know, I don't get a lot of water like that, especially around home.
- 22:07SPEAKER_00: I think what we need to do is because I uh some of the other guests that I've recorded, we've talked fishing.
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: I think we need to get a little Davy fishing trip together with uh Arborist and the host of the Talking Trees podcast.
- 22:21SPEAKER_00: Hey, get a Davy fishing podcast together.
- 22:24SPEAKER_00: I'd be down to do that.
- 22:26SPEAKER_00: That's what's next.
- 22:27SPEAKER_00: Well, Frank, thanks for everything.
- 22:29SPEAKER_00: Great stuff.
- 22:30SPEAKER_00: Uh, I loved hearing about those three amazing trees.
- 22:33SPEAKER_00: And we even got a little bonus with a little fish story, too.
- 22:37SPEAKER_00: So thanks again for your time.
- 22:38SPEAKER_00: It was great to talk to you, and I know we'll talk again.
- 22:41SPEAKER_01: Hey, of course.
- 22:42SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me on.
- 22:43SPEAKER_01: It was great.
- 22:44SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I'll talk to you a little bit later.
- 22:46SPEAKER_00: It's always fun to hear about an arborist favorite trees.
- 22:50SPEAKER_00: Now, tune in every Thursday to the Talking Trees Podcast from the Davy Tree Expert Company.
- 22:55SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Doug Oester.
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