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The Hair in Hand Killer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, peeps, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 1: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 2: A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast content material
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  Speaker 2: intended for a mature audience listener discretion.
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  Speaker 1: Keep saying, is that okay, that's fine?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: As Ben takes a sip of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good time. And we're just starting, and you like
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  Speaker 1: decide to start at the point that I take my
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  Speaker 1: final sip of coffee. That's an opportunity, isn't.
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  Speaker 2: So how's their own doing?
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  Speaker 1: Happy to day? What's what's shaking, what's new, what's exciting?
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  Speaker 2: We're like hair straight back, hair straight back.
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  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Oh my god, spring cleaning. We haven't even
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  Speaker 1: began that yet.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't finished our taxes, so this is like a
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  Speaker 2: big problem because the deadlines Friday or Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know when is it.
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  Speaker 2: It's this week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like screwed if it wasn't for you, because I'd
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  Speaker 1: like never do taxes.
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  Speaker 2: You're a little screwed because of me too, because like
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  Speaker 2: I'm like cutting it close here.
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  Speaker 1: But you're you're pretty much there, at least pretty much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: get that nice weight off the shoulders once it's done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this might be the last year
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  Speaker 2: because we're hiring an accountant. I have on my hand
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  Speaker 2: up in excitement.
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  Speaker 1: Almost looked like you were like doing a Nazi thing.
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  Speaker 1: Was I was giving you a weird look?
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  Speaker 2: You were giving me a really weird look.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm pumped the accountant so we don't have
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  Speaker 1: to go through this next year. Also, like speaking of
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  Speaker 1: getting things off, like the to do list, I just
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  Speaker 1: built a custom arcade in the garage. That's eight well,
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  Speaker 1: because long story short, it was like, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: always wanted to have an arcade, right, so for my
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  Speaker 1: thirtieth birthday, you let me build that arcade. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you do it? Because we were having a
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  Speaker 2: nerdy thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nerdy thirty birthday party. Yeah, well, that wasn't why
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  Speaker 1: I was doing it. I did it for me. Why
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  Speaker 1: I wanted the arcade. I've always wanted an arcade.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was like, oh, I want it in
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  Speaker 1: time for my nerdy thirty because it worked out great,
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  Speaker 1: right Yeah, So moving into a tiny home, there's not
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  Speaker 1: exactly any space for a giant arcade. Cabinet. No, and
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly too happy with the build. So I
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  Speaker 1: want to rebuild it before I sold it, and some
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  Speaker 1: friends of mine, well ours, Mike and Amber, bought it
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  Speaker 1: to go in their tattoo shop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I've rebuilt it and now that's off our to
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  Speaker 1: do list, and we're finally getting rid of the arcade cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: It's sad to see it go, though.
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  Speaker 2: It is sad, but one day you can have it again.
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  Speaker 2: You can now you don't want to make it that's true,
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  Speaker 2: made too basically, and you can redo one that is true.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a regular size house, though I never
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  Speaker 2: know if we're to actually go back to a regular
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  Speaker 2: size house, like another small cabin that could fit an arcade.
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  Speaker 1: Ideally that's what we want. A cabin on a lake though.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: To live on water, I think would be a dream.
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  Speaker 3: Not on water, actually water front, you would live on water.
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  Speaker 1: You're going more hardcore than I ever even thought.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, well, I'm trying not to be a basic bee.
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  Speaker 2: You remember how you.
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  Speaker 1: Got a lot of trying to go.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
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  Speaker 1: All This coffee is good. I just wanted to sit
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  Speaker 1: here and just drink this whole coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about we just do a podcast where you're
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  Speaker 2: just like sipping your coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just that, Like what is it like SMR? Like
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  Speaker 1: a SMR or whatever. Really like people watch really satisfying
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  Speaker 1: things and listen to really satisfying noises.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. One thing that I find so satisfying and it's
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  Speaker 2: so over and weird because I fall like a few
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  Speaker 2: artisan soap makers Okay, and so they have like a
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  Speaker 2: giant block of soap and then they have like this
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  Speaker 2: wire thing that just like cuts the soap so nicely,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's nice to watch. I'm into that.
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  Speaker 1: Soap cutting is like extremely popular in this genre. Did
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  Speaker 1: you know that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people like get a bar of soap, for example,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll like do like cross cuts in it, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like a grass. Oh and then they'll cut underneath,
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  Speaker 1: so all these like little tiny squares fall off the
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  Speaker 1: bar of soap. Oh it's really weird and cool.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I uh, I was into that before I
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  Speaker 2: knew that was a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a thing. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are into some weird stuff, like our killer today is
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  Speaker 1: in some is into some weird stuff hair specifically.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, a lot of people have hair fetishes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude is known as the hair in hand killer. Cool,
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  Speaker 1: not really.
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  Speaker 2: See, I actually like the opposite of a hair fetish.
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  Speaker 2: I hate hair.
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  Speaker 1: Hair is kind of gross.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's nasty.
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  Speaker 1: And yet your husband has hair growing all over his
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  Speaker 1: face giant beard.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, it's just like if you find it where
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  Speaker 2: it's not supposed to be, is what I think is nasty?
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha is all?
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  Speaker 2: So okay, carry on, We'll stop about my my what
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  Speaker 2: I don't like nasty hairness?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm going to try and pronounce some of
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  Speaker 1: these names. There's a little there's one dude who's got
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  Speaker 1: like an off name here. He's Italian. And this takes
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  Speaker 1: place over in England. So the place in England where
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  Speaker 1: it is is Bournemouth. Bournemouth, I think Bournemouth, okay, Bournemouth, England.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's South England sort of thing. Okay. So it's
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  Speaker 1: in November of two thousand and two, November twelfth, very specifically,
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  Speaker 1: two kids were coming home from school. The boy was
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  Speaker 1: named Terry, he was aged fourteen, and the girl his sister,
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin was age eleven. Okay, they arrived home just before
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  Speaker 1: four pm from school, and after they came home, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't receive the normal warm welcome they did from their
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  Speaker 1: mom at the front door.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't like this.
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  Speaker 1: Well you're not going to like what happens further.
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  Speaker 2: Shit.
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  Speaker 1: So they didn't receive the normal greeting, so Caitlyn called
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  Speaker 1: out to their mom and if there was no response.
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  Speaker 1: So in an interview, Terry actually said, this is actually
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  Speaker 1: kind of like heartbreaking this quote. So this is from
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  Speaker 1: from the sun. He says, it was at that moment
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  Speaker 1: when the house was silent, then I thought something was
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  Speaker 1: wrong here, nothing visually, just quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, So.
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  Speaker 1: That's from the fourteen year old.
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  Speaker 2: Her heart knew, he knew.
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  Speaker 1: So without a response, they moved into the house looking
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  Speaker 1: for their mom. After a few moments, Caitlyn knocked on
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  Speaker 1: the closed bathroom door, hoping she was in there, just
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear them, right, and she'd hear a response. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear a response, so she opened the door. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: and there she found her mum, blood everywhere. Lifeless.
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  Speaker 2: Shit.
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  Speaker 1: That's one hell of a way to find your mom.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, well, yeah, these kids are young. Yeah, okay, like
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  Speaker 2: murdering is just not cool, but like if they have
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  Speaker 2: dependence like children.
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  Speaker 3: Like fuck ah, I mean just fuck off and murdering
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  Speaker 3: in it tired general, but it's like it this pulls
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  Speaker 3: at my heart a little more because like, now these
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  Speaker 3: people are the kids are going to grow up without
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  Speaker 3: like a.
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  Speaker 2: Mom, Like that's shit.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything on their father, I must. I
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  Speaker 1: knew she was a single mom, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where the dad is or oh okay, I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought maybe he was just at work or something. But
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  Speaker 2: it was a single mom.
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  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, as far as I can tell, I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find any facts on it. But I'm pretty sure she
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  Speaker 1: was just a single mom.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's shitty.
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  Speaker 1: So police were obviously called to the scene, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they moved into the house and you know, they're doing
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  Speaker 1: their investigation. But when they arrived on the scene, they
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  Speaker 1: found the kids outside and being comforted by a neighbor
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  Speaker 1: from across the street, Daniello Restivo. That's the guy who
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have trouble pronouncing his name, but I think
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  Speaker 1: I nailed there.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he's not the killer, but keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, Okay, Daniello, Danilo, Danilo, not Daniello. It's Danilo. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make that clear. As I'm talking in this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I might end up slurring it or going fast and
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  Speaker 1: saying Daniello. But it's Danilo.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the investigation started immediately. Like I said that, the
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  Speaker 1: cops were in the house doing their thing. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: they found the mom, whose name was Heather Barnett. She
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  Speaker 1: was found bludgeoned to death with what appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: a hammer.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes.
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  Speaker 1: She was also mutilated. Her breasts had been cut off
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  Speaker 1: and laid back behind her head, and a lock of
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  Speaker 1: hair was found in each of her hands. One hand
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  Speaker 1: there was a lock of her own hair, and then
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  Speaker 1: the other hand was a lock of hair from an
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  Speaker 1: unknown person.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: The breast thing is what made my jaw drop. That's nasty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. There's actually there's a few cases out there
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  Speaker 1: that I've heard of, and I've listened to other podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Breast mutilation seems to be a popular thing thing I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, Like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: So you're like just looking at titties and have the
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  Speaker 2: urge to want to cut them off.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know like some of the other ones, some
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  Speaker 1: of the other ones that they theorized that it was
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  Speaker 1: like more of like removing the femininity from them, like
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  Speaker 1: almost humiliating the individual. Really, I don't think that's the
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  Speaker 1: case in this one, but that's what I've read in
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  Speaker 1: other cases where it could have been like a psychological
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  Speaker 1: thing where they're trying to humiliate their victim.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that doesn't seem like a way to humiliate your victim,
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  Speaker 2: but okay.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a way to get a one way
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  Speaker 1: ticket to prison and hell and burn for a long
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  Speaker 1: fucking time. Oh shit, speaking of burn, I'm gonna burn
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  Speaker 1: my tongue with hot coffee.
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  Speaker 2: I already don't like this. This is already gone self
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a true crime podcast. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: not going to be satisfied.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and it's funny, but every time it's like,
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  Speaker 2: what's shocking to me? Even though I listened to like
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  Speaker 2: true crime, but I always just like, expect the best
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  Speaker 2: of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, expect the worst in this case and every
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  Speaker 1: other crime case.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'll change my mindset one day.
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  Speaker 1: So they determined her time of death was estimated to
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  Speaker 1: be shortly after she returned home from dropping the kids
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  Speaker 1: off at school that morning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh goodness, so.
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  Speaker 1: There was a large window of time where a killer
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  Speaker 1: could have been to the scene, cleaned up the scene,
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  Speaker 1: even committed the crime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At the scene, the investigators found that the door to
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  Speaker 1: Heather's house was unlocked, and her son Terry, actually mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that a house key had gone missing recently.
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  Speaker 2: Oh dang, don't hide those house keys. That was like
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  Speaker 2: a big thing. I feel like when we were growing up,
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  Speaker 2: like your parents always hid house key like under the
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  Speaker 2: match or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, to be fair, my parents hit a house key
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  Speaker 1: like really well at the front door or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I remember I made this. This is a side
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  Speaker 2: note that I'm just going to throw there, but I
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  Speaker 2: made this really tacky like dove shaped pottery thing that
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  Speaker 2: was just horrendous, and at the bottom was a space
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  Speaker 2: for a key. Yeah, so like my parents put it
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  Speaker 2: outside the would probably not break my heart, but put
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  Speaker 2: a key under there, which probably was so obvious. Yeah, probably,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a good thing we didn't get murdered.
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  Speaker 1: So with the unlocked door, there's also signs of struggle
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  Speaker 1: within the house, of course, and Heather had been dragged
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  Speaker 1: into the bathroom after she had been killed. I stopped
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  Speaker 1: that sense a little premature.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna actually ask. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Afterwards, luminol tests also showed bloody footprints throughout the house.
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  Speaker 1: So clearly the killer cleaned up the crime scene. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: each and everything.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting when they clean up. Okay, keep going.
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  Speaker 1: However, the bloody footprint seemed to just stop at one point,
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  Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, they just stopped abruptly. This
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  Speaker 1: was thought to indicate that the killer had actually stopped,
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  Speaker 1: taken off his shoes and closed and changed into new
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  Speaker 1: shoes and clothes. Interesting, so this is premeditated. Clearly he
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  Speaker 1: brought extra clothes with you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yep, totally, Yeah, he.
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  Speaker 1: Was careful and yeah. One thing was a little out
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  Speaker 1: of place though. There was a green towel in the
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  Speaker 1: hallway that was left with a bunch of blood on it.
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  Speaker 1: And this investigators actually had a felt that this towel
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  Speaker 1: didn't belong there. Oh, not to the crime scene, something
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  Speaker 1: not to the house.
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  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: This this green towel is key. It's going to come
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  Speaker 1: into play a little later on. Okay, I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: on like leaving that openly open. But no, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know, remember this green towel, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because my mind went like maybe he was still there
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  Speaker 2: when the kids arrived or something and he had like
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  Speaker 2: wasn't done and just like put in the hall. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: You'll you'll see what happens here. We don't know why
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  Speaker 1: he left the towel behind or what, but we do
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  Speaker 1: know that it's it's an important piece of evidence. Okay,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: hold on, I lost my spot now where am i?
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  Speaker 1: My tablet turned sideways on me and it just like
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  Speaker 1: rearranged everything. Okay, Okay, I'm good, I'm good. Okay. So
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  Speaker 1: some individuals were bought brought back to the police station,
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  Speaker 1: of course for questioning, right, not necessarily as suspects, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just trying to hash out what happens, see if you
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  Speaker 1: can get witnesses or anything. One of those individual individuals
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  Speaker 1: was Daniello Restivo, the neighbor from across the street who
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  Speaker 1: was consoling Heather's children when the police arrived. Right, So
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  Speaker 1: a little bit background on Ristivo. He was born in
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  Speaker 1: Sicily in April nineteen seventy two, and then he moved
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  Speaker 1: to the city of Ponenza, Italy, where he spent most
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  Speaker 1: of his youth and younger adult life until two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two, when he was thirty, he moved to Bournemouth.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how you pronounce it. Bournemouth, Bournemouth, England,
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  Speaker 1: the city we are currently in and talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So he moved there this same year that this happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So during the interview with Daniello, I'm going to I
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  Speaker 1: referred to him as Restivo there, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go dan Yello from here and out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He was talking. He was saying that he was taking
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  Speaker 1: a computer course that morning, and he had a bus
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  Speaker 1: ticket with a stamp time of eight forty four am
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  Speaker 1: to prove his alibi, right, and there was also a
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  Speaker 1: sign and sheet for the course that showed he was
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  Speaker 1: there during the time of ten thirty am. Clearly he
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  Speaker 1: has an alibi. He was not around during the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murder. He was off doing his own thing
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  Speaker 1: at the computer course.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, because yeah, I thought I already went there.
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  Speaker 2: Not he was guilty, but okay.
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  Speaker 1: So police move in on the investigation, but Daniello began
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  Speaker 1: to put up some red flags for the police. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: there are reports of him rambling and just not seeming
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  Speaker 1: to have his story put together well. And after going
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  Speaker 1: back to his alibi, they found the sign and sheet
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  Speaker 1: for the morning of his course was written in twelve
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  Speaker 1: thirty and then was written over top as a correction
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  Speaker 1: of ten thirty am, leaving a large window of time
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  Speaker 1: where he could have actually been at the crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and like just pre purchased a bus tick and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, purchasing a bus stick. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like a super alibi.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you were on.
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  Speaker 2: The bus exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, leaving that that altered alibi times thing
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  Speaker 1: for his sign and sheet, that doesn't really leave you
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  Speaker 1: much of an alibi any more. So you have quite
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  Speaker 1: a large window where he could have actually been.
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  Speaker 2: It better not be him. And he was like consoling
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  Speaker 2: the children.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break your heart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is it him?
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  Speaker 1: Daniello was questioned by the police in mid two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three and released without charge due to lack of evidence. However,
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  Speaker 1: they kept a close eye on him and they began
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  Speaker 1: their search a little more details into who he was.
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  Speaker 1: One investigation team member actually came forward after a little
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: while and said he found some past information regarding Daniello.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Daniello was a little bit of a involved in a
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: missing person's report of Alisa Claps, age sixteen, back in Italy.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, like this is pre before he moved to
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: this England place.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, so this is in nineteen ninety three. It's a Sunday,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: September twelfth in Ponenza, Italy. Alisa Claps went to meet
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Danielle at a church, arriving at approximately eleven thirty am
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: just as mass finished. She went met up with him,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: but did not return home. Oh, she did not return home.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Hold on putting coffee down. I was going to take
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: a drink. But I'm getting into this now. That happens
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: lots of the podcast.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I happened so much to you, and I'm almost like,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: do you wanted to stop?
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Or is I?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Like? That was it good?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't need the sit I don't need the coffee.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I need to keep going. Here's what I need to do.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So Alisa's elder brother, Gildo, telephoned, telephoned, telephonhoned dan Yellow's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: family and was told that Daniello was out of town
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and they had no knowledge of Elisa's whereabouts, So something's
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: a little fishy there. So when police questioned dan Yello,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: he said that he had left the church with Alisa
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: still there, which was clearly not lining up already because
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I said he was out of town. Yeah, I'm stumbling
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: through a section. I'm sorry, I'm missing my spots here
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and there. Where am I? Where did I go? Okay, Okay,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start that sentence over here. So when
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: police questioned him, Daniello said that Lisa had left the church.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: There we go. So Daniello was still there a Lisa
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: had left the church. Oh, while he stayed back and prayed.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: He explained a cut in his hand that he had
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: just resulted, like you know, it's just an accident, just oops,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and things happened. And Daniello's family actually declined police to
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: see Daniello's clothing from the day, so they were not
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: able to really investigate.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, because he would have been kind of young at
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: that point too.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know his exact age. We can math
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it out if we want, but about the age of.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Sixteen, yeah, okay, because at versus, like why is he
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: hanging out with a sixteen year old, but he wouldn't
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: have been that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three. Yeah, yeah, So the police weren't
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: able to get his clothes, but they did want to
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: investigate the church where at Lisa went missing. However, the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: priest in charge of the church opposed the search and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: they weren't able to search it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Why would you like it's to find a missing.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Person, I don't know. On Fortunately, Elisa was never found
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and she was officially labeled as a missing person.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Dang. And so then yeah, and then he just kind
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: of got away with it at that point pretty much. Huh.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So now, also digging into his history, Daniello was known
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to attempt and arrange dates with girls, claiming to have
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: a present for them. He's basically just like trying to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: lure them and just bribe them, is what it seems
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to be. And then when they declined them, he would
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: harass any girl who rejected him, he would give them
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: phone calls and when they answer, he would just play
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: creepy music from a film from a serial killer, like
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: that's fucked up.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: That's not psychotic at all, not at all, not even
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: in the least.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So Daniello at this time was also known to police
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to have believed to be iresponsible for nine incidents in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: which women had their hair cut and taken. He was
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: also thought to have tied up two kids before cutting
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: wind with a knife.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's got quite the history as a kid
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a winner. Yeah, definitely. So this this investigator came forward
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: with all this information that he found, and this is like, okay,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: we've I think we've got a guy here. Yeah, because
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: clearly the hair cutting, for example, it's fairly convenient that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: he just ended up moving to this place and someone
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: right away goes missing or start killed.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And then there's some hair weirdness going on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the hair weirdness is key here.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So the police and the investigators like, we got to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on this guy. So he was observed
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: quite frequently. They followed him, They made sure that they
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: were trailing him lots of places, and they were watching
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: him closely. And he made repeat visits to a park
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: where he would like covertly film women from like bushes
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and shits.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he probably didn't know they were still watching him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He didn't, Oh my goodness, So his real creepiness is
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: coming out oh definitely.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So he would like literally hide in bushes.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And shit and film women.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yep, he would like stalk them throughout this like specific
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: park really.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: People of time for the shit.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So on May twelfth, two thousand and four, the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: surveillance team that was following them became really alarmed due
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to specific behavior from that day. See, like I said,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: he was stalking people from bushes. However, he was wearing
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: multiple layers of clothes, had his hood up, and was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: wearing gloves as well. Remember the crime scene with Heather Barnett.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: They said that the killer seemed to have changed clothing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Oh so he actually just like strips clothing.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: So this is a concern. He's wearing multiple layers of clothes. Oo,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he can just take off that first layer. Gross, So
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: they were quite concerned.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's actually kind of smart, though, I'm going to put
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that out there.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give him any credit.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not giving him any credit. But I've never heard
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of that before, Like I've heard changing the clothes which
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is just stripped down, Like yeah, okay.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And it's not you might be able to like play
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the card like, oh, layering up's a good thing when
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it's cold. Out, No, this was midsummer, so.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, he was probably sweating balls most likely.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So the police intervened and they searched him in his
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: car and his bag and everything. They found identical change
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of clothing, just like we were saying, multiple layers there. They
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: found a filet knife, scissors, a bellet, clava, and an
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: extra pair of gloves.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: The filet knife would be what you would use to probably.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Cut off the boobs, and I would assume the scissor
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: for the hair.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh boy, okay, of course.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Though Daniell, it was just like, oh, you know, he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had explanations for all this, you know, whatever it was.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I just came from a jog and extra
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: parrot clothes for sweating, and he just oh, I forgot
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I had that Phillot knife in there from a couple
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: days ago, and I mean, prove him wrong, right. Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So the police didn't have anything to go on unfortunately,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and they had to let him go. There's nothing convicting
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: convicting him anything.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: They just kept watching him a little bit longer. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: then I guess they're also worried that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They were worried someone could die, so they had to intervene. Yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so without any way of convicting him, they needed to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: find something else to connect him to Heather Barnett's murder.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So they asked for help from the public regarding locks
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of hair. Specifically, they hope that maybe they could identify
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the mysterious person whose DNA was attached to that hair, Like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: who is this person whose lock of hair is left
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: in Heather's hand? Right, So, once they made a plea
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to the public, you know, they're putting out ads on
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the radio, paper all in his hometown and stuff too,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Like they're blasting his face all over the place.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my, that's okay, good, it's good. Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Multiple women became the began to come forward, actually identifying
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Daniello as someone who stole locks of hair from them. Really,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: he took hare from multiple women, women in movie theaters,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: public places. Even a schoolgirl identified him as a man
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: who cut her hair on a bus.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Good lord, that's actually very interesting that people wouldn't have
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: come forward beforehand. You know, Like I feel like if
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I was in a movie theater and someone chopped part
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: of my hair off, I don't know, I would just
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: let that go.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: No kidding, but.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Also, like it's would we feel weird
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to maybe call the police over that too, I don't know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I mean I think I would feel more weird letting
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: someone go who's sitting behind me chopping off my hair.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: If someone just comes and chops off your beard, you
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: would have something to say about that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Oh I would be punching their face into the ground.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That would be getting away.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Takes a long time and a lot of care for
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: this beard.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It does it does.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Someone messes with it, I'm going to mess with them. Okay.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So they did find people saying that Daniello cut hair
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: from them and everything. Unfortunately, they were never able to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: find a match to the DNA of the hair found
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in Heather's hand.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Oh dang.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It did get him arrested though, Well, yeah, I did
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: get him arrested. So they were able to search his home.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good possessions.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: They found, of course, locks of hair. They found identical
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: shoes that were worn and matched the pattern the day
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of Heather Barnett's murder. I even had internal traces.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Of blood okay, okay, but.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It could not be identified due to they were soaked
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in bleach. All DNA was null and void.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: So there was blood on them, but the DNA part
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: of it would have been because of the bleach.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell it's blood, but there's no DNA
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: there anymore. Because Okay, so again, unfortunately there was no
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: conclusive evidence and they had to release him back to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the wild.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I guess he just keeps getting away with this.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: He keeps getting away with it, and I'm pretty sure
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he's like one of those people who's he's like laughing
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: this whole way. He's like, yeah, I'm getting away with murder,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like you can't catch me, sort of attitude, which just
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: makes it even worse.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It does, it actually really does.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So remember when I said that green towel would come
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: into play, right, Well, in two thousand and eight, however,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: new techniques for DNA sampling came to light. I love
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: how that's.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: A long time, like ways from the murder a little,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: but two to two thousand and eight it's not.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, in retrospect, there's a lot of cases that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: go a lot further. That's true, So it is a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: little while, but it's not a long time, I guess.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But I love how a lot of cases are just like, ah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm getting away with it. Actually, new DNA research that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: has evolved over the last two decades. I love that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that new DNA techniques come out.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So the new DNA sampling came to light, and that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: mysterious green towel covered in blood was able to reveal
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: DNA that matched dan Yellow on it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Oh gotcha.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is where I'm going to give a little
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: bit of a backstory here. I never said it at
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: any other point yet because it didn't seem to fit, right,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this is where I'm going to say it. So, Daniello
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: actually hired Heather Barnett to sew up some curtains for
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: who he was going to give to his spouse or
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: partner for a gift. So Heather Barnett was actually a seamstress.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So Daniello had said, you know, I've been to her house.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I have my DNA there. Whatever. Right, So the police
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: understand that there was a connection between the two prior
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, which he probably didn't even need any freaking curtains.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Most likely he was stalking her. Yeah, and this also
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: comes into play when Terry said there was a key missing.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It went missing shortly after he began visiting their place
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: for these curtains. Daniello, however, just said, you know, he
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: had left it there previously on a visit to her house.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the sixth of November, the evidence was still
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: judged insufficient for prosecution.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: He just left it there, that's what he said. Opposed
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to someone's house and leaves a fucking towel.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Apparently some creepy goes around cutting women's hair, I guess,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and is in need of curtains.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Good lord, that's just okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So it's unfortunately unsufficient evidence, brutal, and he was let
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: go once again.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That's a piss off.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It would be another two years before they had enough
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to finally bring them to court though, because two years later,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: on March seventeenth, twenty ten, the body of Alisa Klapp
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was found in a church. Found in a church in
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a church, in a brick loft al cove beside a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: bell tower. So remember how she met him at a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: church when he was sixteen?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that that she read missing?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's the church. She never left the church. She met
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: him at the church, and she never left the church.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. And like the fact that that wasn't able to
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: be searched, like that body could have been found years ago.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Could have been yep, holy holy.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Almost makes me think like the priests would have been
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in on it too, like why would you not let
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it be searched the name his name be sacred?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be that. But there's a little bit
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: of theories that go back through this, and these are
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: only theories. I didn't want to touch on them too much.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But Daniello's father had some like foots in the door,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: foots in the door, had like his foot in the door,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and like some like political and like police stuff. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that he may have had it as well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: being a lot of religious people are very prevalent in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, over in Europe and especially Italy. Yeah, he
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: may have very well had his foot in the door
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: with his church as well. So it could have been.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Like a cover up thing, right, Okay, yep.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So strands of Elise's own hair when she was found
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: were actually found in her hand too, Really, Daniello's calling
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: card the cut hair found in.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Her hand, because that's almost silly to have a calling card, really,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: like Okay.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They also found DNA and other evidence indicating Daniello was
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: at Leasta's murderer. I couldn't find much on that it
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was just kind of there was DNA and other evidence,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: which is interesting.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: She must have had decomposed quite a bit.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure she would have. I'm sure she would
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: have been like very almost mummified by that point. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: there was still evidence left behind, be it other blood,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: because he had a scratch in his hand, remember, so
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that could have been something along those lines,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: or maybe she got some of his hair too, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, brutal. So being now they have a calling card,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: they can connect Daniello to both these murders, and it
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was enough to bring them to court. Okay, So two
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: months after the remains of Alsa were found, Daniello was
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: charged with the murder of Heather Barnett in England. So
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: May twenty eleven, Danielle was found guilty of murdering Heather Barnett.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Good evidence came in and because Alisa essentially saved this,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: she prevented him from walking free. Oh yeah, so she's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: our badass of the day.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the hero. Look at that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So it took the jury only one day to return
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: with a verdict, and the judge sentenced Daniello to forty
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: years in prison for the murder of Heather Barnett. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that's only Heather Barnett.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Though, is there more?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean the murder of Alisa.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, yeah, I was like, is there even more
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that have come up?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Well, there's there's probably there's there's some where he's connected to,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but nothing proven yet.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, I would be surprised if it was only these
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: two though, it'll be honest.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same, but we are only covering these two
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in this yeah. Yeah. So in Italy after he's in prison,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: his trial went on in his absence in twenty eleven
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and he was also found guilty for the murder of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Alisa Collapses, and he was sentenced to thirty more years.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So the Home Security also ordered him to be deported
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: back to Italy, where he would be jailed for what
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: they say is the rest of his life.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: That is the case of the hair in hand killer,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: This piece of shit who I don't care if I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: get his name wrong.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: He doesn't deserve for you get his name right, No,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: he doesn't. Wow. Okay, Well, I'm so glad that they
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: ended up him. But god, that went on a long time.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, it did, and there's a lot of like I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: skipped a lot of little pieces of information because there
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it was all over the place trying to find something
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to go after this guy. But I stick. I kept
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to the main store. I kept like all the main information.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: If you really want to research more, there is some
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: smaller details out there, and like I said, a lot
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of theories too on who else he could have been after.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But this dude just seems like an all around fucking creep,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: even like as a kid he grew up just fucking weird.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he sounds he sounds like a real winner.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He better stay in jail for ever.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Oh he is, for ever he is. They the judge
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: said that the chances of him ever seeing the outside
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: again is like slim to none. Good, he'll be in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: jail for life.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Good good, he deserves it, that fucking rot. No shit. Huh,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: well done. That was very interesting.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I'll be doing the next one.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Do you know what the next episode is?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Actually, can we get a little bit of a hinty
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: hint it? I don't know, Come on, come on, don't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: we don't give hints very hard.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's definitely going to make you want to lock your doors,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: including your balcony doors. Oh shit, So if you live
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in an apartment, lock your fucking balcony doors. I'm telling
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: you that right now.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Ha'd your kids, had your wife.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And it's another it's another Canadian. I might have to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: branch out one day. All I've been doing is Canadian cases.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But I think I said from the beginning that I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: like Canadian true crime. So yeah, I don't know, do
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: we need more hints than that. I mean, that's.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Given you, that's not really given any hints.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll drop a big one. So he's known as
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the bedroom strangler.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That isn't a hint, that's just telling us. Oh, but
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: How else do you give hints without really just like
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: telling what it is? Well, we now know that's what
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That sounds in depth and crazy.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not giving his name, that's just his like nickname.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's wild. It's like, actually, I'll be doing
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of my research when you're like working night
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: shift and I'm home alone, so I might not have
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: like planned this shit properly.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, gotcha, that's it all right, Well, look forward
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to it, all right, And we'll see you guys next week,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: or we'll talk to you next week. On the next episode,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: we hear all about it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Stay wicked,