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- 0:29The well, I'm excited because I get to spend the next 30 minutes
- 0:32talking about the Urantia book and some of the exciting things
- 0:35that are going on. I want to offer up some producer
- 0:38notes before we get going. The time I spent with Byron
- 0:42Belitsus was excellent. I hope you will take a listen.
- 0:45That's the preceding podcast and it was good to have him in it
- 0:51it. It sparked a lot of response.
- 0:53We had some great response from listeners, including one that I
- 0:58wanted to share with you because I thought it was just so well
- 1:00written. You know, the issue of how we
- 1:04brand and the Urantia movement. What's next?
- 1:07What do we do? You know, how are we to deal
- 1:11with the future? How do we make this thing grow?
- 1:13Because we believe that the Urantia book offers some real
- 1:17assistance to at least culture and humanity and certainly
- 1:22spiritual progress. And so I got a an e-mail and I
- 1:26got permission to share it. Normally I wouldn't share it
- 1:29unless I get permission. So you can always e-mail me and
- 1:33I'll never share it unless you give me permission.
- 1:36But this one comes from Michael. Michael writes after listening
- 1:41to the previous episode with my guest, Byron.
- 1:44He says the main issue with the Ranch book, as I see it, is that
- 1:48it's intimidating by both its size and by the amount of
- 1:51information that it contains. So I propose that the Oranga
- 1:54Foundation produce a series of booklets for public
- 1:58distribution. Examples would be what the
- 2:02Oranga book teaches about physics.
- 2:05This would also include topics such as the Ultimaton, which
- 2:10would interest particle physicists and could be handed
- 2:13out at national, international meetings of physicists.
- 2:17I think that's a really good idea for so many different
- 2:21reasons, because in, in Michael's right, the, the size
- 2:25of the book is very intimidating.
- 2:27And then when you start to look at the table of contents, that
- 2:31can can also be a bit overwhelming.
- 2:33But what if you were able to take the elements of the Urantia
- 2:36book and, and sort of order it by section or topic?
- 2:43And then you could have what the Urantia book teaches about
- 2:45physics, what the Urantia book teaches about all kinds of
- 2:50different cosmology about Jesus. It, it kind of reminds me of
- 2:55the, if any of you are familiar with Khalil Gibran and he came
- 2:59out with a book, he's a Lebanese philosopher guru from the early
- 3:051900s. And he wrote a book called The
- 3:07Prophet. And I always made it a habit of
- 3:10giving that book the Prophet. It's, it's only about maybe 120
- 3:13pages. And anytime I was invited to a
- 3:16wedding, I think I must have handed that book out to, you
- 3:21know, a few people that I knew that got married.
- 3:23I said, this is a good book for your family.
- 3:26And why did I do that? Why not?
- 3:27Why not hand him the Urantia book?
- 3:29Well, the The Prophet is such a well written book.
- 3:32And it's this man's opinion on how he feels about love, about
- 3:37death. It's easy to read.
- 3:39It's very comforting, very deep, and for the most part pretty
- 3:42consistent with the teachings of most great religions, including
- 3:46the Urantia book. So I think Michael has a good
- 3:49point. It we have this book, it's, it's
- 3:52obviously complex. It's, it's written with the
- 3:55intent of being around for a while.
- 3:58I think it's, this book will be studied for centuries perhaps.
- 4:03But wouldn't it be great to have a sort of a condensed by topic,
- 4:08maybe a, a box set, you know, maybe pick the 10 things that
- 4:14most people would be interested in.
- 4:18And, and to that end, I started working on a sort of an
- 4:22instruction chart. If I were, if I were to teach
- 4:25the Urantia book, I would need a syllabus.
- 4:28So I'm creating a syllabus kind of based on what, what Michael
- 4:33is talking about. And I think he's right.
- 4:36These little booklets would be helpful to helping people who
- 4:40really probably have a great curiosity about the Urantia
- 4:45book. And, and I, I think it's a good
- 4:48idea, you know, because I think the, the walk away message I got
- 4:52from Byron, which I really appreciate it is he says we have
- 4:57to identify who our target audience is.
- 5:02And believe me, when, when I do these episodes, I also think
- 5:06about, you know, who am I talking to?
- 5:09It's one person and it's, it's a, it's a kind of person that
- 5:13might be interested in religion to begin with.
- 5:17Maybe that person isn't necessarily religious in the way
- 5:21that many of us think of people that are religious who go to
- 5:25church, get involved in all those kinds of things.
- 5:28But I have to be honest, I, I don't think of myself as a, a
- 5:33proselytizer. My, my approach to the Urantia
- 5:37book is based on the acceptance of, of this being the narrative
- 5:43of reality. So I accept my cosmic
- 5:46citizenship. I act as if I am part of an
- 5:50eternal universe and that this is my job.
- 5:55This is, this is my position right now at this juncture of my
- 5:59life getting started. And to me it, it's, it's like I
- 6:03am a, I'm a Roman citizen. And, and now that I know that
- 6:08there is this grand and I'm use that as a metaphor that, that,
- 6:12that I've been informed that this is a grand universe of lots
- 6:17of things going on, then I, I want to be a part of that
- 6:21because what I do here actually contributes to that overall
- 6:25mission, doesn't it? I think it does could have a
- 6:30section where we talk about what these the Urantia book teach
- 6:33about Jesus or what does it teach about the afterlife.
- 6:37And there's all these different things that we could not so much
- 6:40take the place of the Urantia book, but is one of my favorite
- 6:44expressions to provide A to remove the barriers of entry,
- 6:50you know, to provide safe harbor, to let people feel
- 6:54comfortable, you know, put it on and what does it look like?
- 7:00How does it feel? And then if it, if it rings
- 7:03true, if you read, for example, the section on marriage and what
- 7:09it teaches about family life and the importance and the
- 7:12contribution, you might find yourself saying, you know what,
- 7:16I agree with that too. Maybe you want to know what does
- 7:21it talk about when it talks about angels?
- 7:24You know, I think I kind of believe in angels.
- 7:26I think a lot of people, in fact, I think more people
- 7:28believe in angels than probably believe in Christ himself
- 7:34because there's something appealing about it, right?
- 7:36So I, I guess the point is, is that our audience is really
- 7:41twofold people who want an updated, maybe gospel, an
- 7:48updated presentation of what the gospel really is.
- 7:51What was Jesus really trying to teach and, and not just the
- 7:56religion about him that we find in the in the Bible, but the but
- 8:01the story of his life and how he lived his life and, and what he
- 8:07was attempting to do with his Incarnate bestowal.
- 8:12You know, people think that Jesus was when he was a little
- 8:15kid knew that he was the Son of God.
- 8:20And that's not true. He lived a life just like every
- 8:24other human being. But that self-awareness came in
- 8:28part because his was a spiritual mission, and as he grew in
- 8:33spiritual wisdom and life experience, it was like 2, two
- 8:38things coming together and then one course, the day of baptism,
- 8:44when the voice came speaking from the sky, that is when we're
- 8:49told that Jesus had final confirmation on his relationship
- 8:53with the Father and who he was and his mission.
- 8:57Now, you may not get that that story from the Bible.
- 9:01I've read the Gospels, I've read Matthew, Mark, John, I've read
- 9:05Luke. I've read many of the books of
- 9:08Paul. And I can tell you that the only
- 9:13time I've ever felt like I truly understand what the mission of
- 9:18Jesus was, was when I read the Urantia book.
- 9:23Now there are other topics that are more complicated, like
- 9:26physics and things like that. So I'm just putting it out there
- 9:29that, you know, each of us could benefit if, if we're interested
- 9:34in sharing the book with people that maybe the approach is to #1
- 9:41figure out who it is you think you're, you're appealing to, not
- 9:44the world like Byron said. And then the other element of
- 9:48that is some people just want to know about the book.
- 9:52Some people want about the, about the gospel.
- 9:55Some people want to know about what's what's in the book and
- 9:59what the book tells us about and and I learn more toward that as
- 10:03well. I find many of these podcasts
- 10:06are about explaining some of the more exciting concepts of the
- 10:10book. For example, we have started our
- 10:13new sort of miniseries on personalities of the Urantia
- 10:16book. And so far I think we talked
- 10:19about in the last episode was Grand Fonda.
- 10:23That was my choice. I had another listener say they
- 10:27wanted to hear more about Melchizedek, so I think I will
- 10:33do that. I did spend an episode or two on
- 10:36Macha Venta, but it's worth revisiting again because he's
- 10:40such an important part of our history.
- 10:42And it's really a shame that the Bible doesn't give him more
- 10:46shell space because Macha Venta, the Sage of Salem was really the
- 10:53third revelation of epical proportions.
- 10:57So he's, he was not the the Jesus revelation, but before him
- 11:03setting, setting the way for the 4th epical revelation.
- 11:08So he's worth another visit. I got a great request from
- 11:12someone who wanted to talk about Noah.
- 11:17So I want to get into Noah for two reasons.
- 11:21One, because Noah's a fascinating individual on the
- 11:25pages of history, and two, it also helps me talk about why the
- 11:33Urantia book is is important as a text because it fills in a lot
- 11:40of missing pieces of our history.
- 11:43But more than that, it also sobers us up to the difference
- 11:48between what is known as sacred history and profane history.
- 11:55Many of our problems of society today, particularly with the the
- 12:01constant battle going on in the Middle East, is a result of that
- 12:06sacred history. So let's talk about Noah.
- 12:12But before we we do that, let's jump into page 78 and it talks
- 12:17about the state of the Jewish people and it talks about the
- 12:22early books of the of Scripture, the Old Testament, the Torah
- 12:29and, you know, parts of the Hebrew Scripture.
- 12:32So from paper 78, we pick up with with this entrance into the
- 12:36story. And then we'll get into Noah a
- 12:38little bit. The book writes that almost 5000
- 12:42years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity
- 12:46sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found
- 12:49great difficulty in piercing the story together.
- 12:52And it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort to let the
- 12:56whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah's
- 13:01flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham
- 13:06right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
- 13:11Continuing on, the traditions of a time when water covered the
- 13:15whole of the Earth's surface are universal.
- 13:19Many races harbor the story of a worldwide flood sometime during
- 13:24past ages. The biblical story of Noah, the
- 13:28Ark, and the flood is an invention of the Hebrew
- 13:33priesthood during the Babylonian captivity.
- 13:37There has never been a universal flood since life was established
- 13:42on Urantia. The only time the surface of the
- 13:45earth was completely covered by water was during the Rkozoic
- 13:51ages, before the land had begun to appear.
- 13:56That's a very important statement that the Urantia book
- 13:58is stating, which is that the entire story of Noah, the flood,
- 14:04the 40 days and 40 nights. And there are elements of the
- 14:09story that are true, but as far as it being because God wanted
- 14:14to destroy the wicked of earth, this is actually contesting that
- 14:21story. It's saying that's not true.
- 14:26And the person who told me about Noah came up with the idea of
- 14:31doing a little bit on Noah said to me, you know, that changed my
- 14:37life. Learning that truth changed my
- 14:41life because I always thought, why would a loving God destroy
- 14:45humanity? And think of how much that idea
- 14:50is rooted particularly in evangelical circles.
- 14:54It is under that that same feeling, that same thought
- 14:58process of of having national or ethnic guilt, believing that
- 15:03your race or your tribe is suffering because God is angry
- 15:09at you. In many ways and in many
- 15:13respects, the Arantia book informs us that we have to move
- 15:17away from that thinking. It's it's not any different from
- 15:22if you had an earth father who was abusive, if you thought that
- 15:26your earth father was going to whip you because you were evil.
- 15:32That's what you're likening God to be like, that he is punishing
- 15:38us because we're evil and because Eve created the first
- 15:42sin and we had that sinful nature.
- 15:45And the Hebrew condition arose because for hundreds and
- 15:51hundreds, 800 years, they were under the captivity of the
- 15:55Babylonians. I mean, they, they essentially,
- 15:58they went from being, you know, Bedouins to Egyptian slaves.
- 16:02And then they started to sort of form their own little nation,
- 16:07promoting monotheism in the teachings of Abraham.
- 16:12And they suffered for it. But that sort of explains why in
- 16:19the Bible and in the Old Testament, we have the story of
- 16:23the universal flood of of being punished.
- 16:28And because it's rooted in this, this sense of racial guilt.
- 16:34Now Paper 78 goes on and says, but Noah really lived.
- 16:37He was a wine maker of Arum, a river settlement near Eric or
- 16:43Iraq. He kept a written record of the
- 16:45days of the river's rise from year to year.
- 16:48He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the
- 16:52River Valley, advocating that all houses be built of wood boat
- 16:57fashion, and that the family animals might be put up on board
- 17:01each night as the flood season approached.
- 17:04He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and
- 17:07warn them that in so many days the floods would come.
- 17:12Finally, a year came in which the annual floods were greatly
- 17:15augmented by unusually heavy rainfall.
- 17:20So that was the sudden rise of the waters that wiped out the
- 17:23entire village. Only Noah and his immediate
- 17:27family were saved in their houseboat.
- 17:32So there's the story. It's a short story, really.
- 17:37It's interesting that the revelators knew about him and
- 17:41knew about the fact that the story in the Bible comes from
- 17:45this man. And I'm, I'm putting the age at
- 17:48around maybe 6-7 thousand years ago, probably about 5000 BC.
- 17:55I'm guessing that's probably, you know, geologists could
- 17:57probably make that determination if and also that area, which is
- 18:02basically Syria moving eastward towards Iraq or what was
- 18:08Babylonia, That whole area is, is always subjected to those
- 18:13kinds of flooding. It's, it's very flat.
- 18:16And if you, if you looked at any geography, you can see that
- 18:19there's been plenty of water flow from floods.
- 18:24They sort of dredge out into the Gulf if you're looking at it
- 18:28from like a bird's eye view. But I, I just want to ask you
- 18:32before we conclude, how does this idea sit with you?
- 18:35Does it make you feel less close to God?
- 18:37Or does it challenge the authority of the Bible to, to
- 18:41think of the fact that the whole story of the universal flood,
- 18:45which is so much a fabric of, of our religion.
- 18:49If you're born Christian or raised in a Christian
- 18:51environment, I think I felt like relieved, like Janie, I felt
- 18:57like, you know what that story And really I think I like the
- 19:02story better. It's it's more grounded in
- 19:05reality really here, let me continue reading.
- 19:09It says 500 years of overlordship of alien rulers was
- 19:14too much for even the patient and long-suffering Jews.
- 19:17This is you be talking about the difference between sacred
- 19:21history and profane history. The prophets and priests began
- 19:25to cry. How long, O Lord, how long as?
- 19:29As the honest Jews searched the Scriptures, his confusion became
- 19:33worse confounded. An old and seer promised that
- 19:37God would protect and deliver His chosen people.
- 19:40All modern religions have seriously blundered in the
- 19:44attempt to put a miraculous interpretation on certain epochs
- 19:48or epochs of human history. While it is true that God has
- 19:52many times thrust a Father's hand of providential
- 19:56intervention into the streams of human affairs, it is a mistake
- 20:00to regard theologic dogmas and religious superstition as a
- 20:05supernatural sedimentation appearing by miraculous action
- 20:09in this stream of human history. The fact that the Most Highs
- 20:14rule in the kingdoms of men does not convert secular history into
- 20:19so-called sacred history. So much of our belief and faith
- 20:26and honor really honor. Is aimed more at the prophets in
- 20:30the fact that they carried the truth of monotheism forward.
- 20:35You know they deserve great respect and honor to be sure.
- 20:38But in that emotion came the the sacred element of of turning
- 20:44these stories, many of them, into supernatural events.
- 20:48Noah is a good example of history being made sacred.
- 20:52There was the event Noah did exist, he warned his followers
- 20:55about rising waters and they ignored him.
- 20:59But the story then gets expanded to include the destruction of
- 21:02humanity, God's earth destroyed because of wickedness.
- 21:07The essence of this seems to portray that stories of the
- 21:09miraculous should not be the pretext for believing in God,
- 21:14especially the kind of creator who may harm his kids in Mass
- 21:18because they have become spoiled little brats and nothing more
- 21:22than petulant and spoiled children and whom refused to
- 21:26clean up their mess. As I conclude, and I think we
- 21:30all know who we're talking about.
- 21:33So your personality profile suggestion?
- 21:36e-mail me at urantiabookradio@gmail.com.
- 21:40Also, let me know if you like some of the edition of some of
- 21:43the jazz music I've been throwing in.
- 21:45I'm a big, I'm a fond, the lover of jazz music, and I think it
- 21:50adds a little spark. Let me know what you think.
- 21:52We'll be back soon. Another edition of the Your
- 21:55Rancho Radio podcast, soon to come.
- 21:59Be well and be a good cheer. Music.