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The Late Debate | 29 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the leak to play.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Denicity Georgio tonight, joined by Kayla Bond and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, good evening. How are we both.
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  Speaker 1: Great mind form? You know, baring on all possible cylinders.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about my foot health? Would you like me to conte?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure our wonderful audience want to hear about
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  Speaker 3: your foot health.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I've got and your teeth health.
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  Speaker 3: We've our whole health journey with Joe Hildebrand this evening
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  Speaker 3: on the ad break.
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  Speaker 4: Are you what it's hard work looking this good? I
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  Speaker 4: know you people think it comes easy, but no, I
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  Speaker 4: put a lot of work into this.
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  Speaker 5: It's your foot health and your mouth health. Is it
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  Speaker 5: because you've got like.
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  Speaker 4: Very good? That's right? They think it only happens to
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  Speaker 4: farm farm animals, but no.
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  Speaker 2: Some might think you're an animal.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, my wife has said certain things from time to time,
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  Speaker 4: but that was when a much younger.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's you know what, let's not even go there.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna let's just disesscaray, then.
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  Speaker 4: Let's come back. I think, oh, all right, let's retreat.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's retreat coming up on the show tonight, Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi makes a special guest appearance on a game show.
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  Speaker 3: Of course he has, but not everyone knew who he was.
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  Speaker 3: What in five UK councils has band swearing offensive language
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  Speaker 3: and shouting in public? Is this an infringement on free speech?
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  Speaker 3: And have you ever stolen a chip from someone's plate
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  Speaker 3: and thought, oh, it tastes so so good. Well there's
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  Speaker 3: now science to back that up. But first tonight, more
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  Speaker 3: than half of high school students believe people sometimes deserve
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  Speaker 3: to be hit. That's according to surveys of more than
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  Speaker 3: ten thousand students by Victorian anti violence charity, the Pat
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  Speaker 3: Cronin Foundation and GE.
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  Speaker 2: These stats are worrying now.
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  Speaker 3: Forty five percent of kids think some things need to
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  Speaker 3: be solved by force. Thirty percent of male students said
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  Speaker 3: most people respect others who use physical force. Fourteen percent
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  Speaker 3: of female students said they believed using physical force gained respect,
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  Speaker 3: nineteen percent said you shouldn't report violence, shouldn't report it
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  Speaker 3: at all, and sixteen percent said that they condoned violence.
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  Speaker 3: Now it comes as violent school yard incidents hit a.
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  Speaker 2: Three year high.
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  Speaker 3: The Foundation director Matt cron And said these results show
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  Speaker 3: we still have a long way to go when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to erasing ingrained attitudes to aggression. It's unacceptable that
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  Speaker 3: so many students think violence is a way to resolve disputes,
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  Speaker 3: and I absolutely agree with him.
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  Speaker 2: I personally was.
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  Speaker 3: Flawed when I read that more than half of school
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  Speaker 3: students in you know, high school students think that you
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  Speaker 3: should hit somebody or act aggressively or in some way
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  Speaker 3: a violent act to try and solve issues.
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  Speaker 2: Where are we getting this from.
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  Speaker 3: It's like we have this whole generation of troubled children.
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  Speaker 3: I think obviously social media has played a big part.
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  Speaker 3: I think video games have had to have played a
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  Speaker 3: big part, but I think pertinent it is the environment
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  Speaker 3: that they are growing up in, because, in my view,
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  Speaker 3: where are they getting the attitudes or the idea that
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  Speaker 3: it is okay to use violence in some way? Are
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  Speaker 3: they seeing it in their home life? What are their
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  Speaker 3: mum and dads telling them? And the other concern that
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  Speaker 3: I have is that these kids are they're going to
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  Speaker 3: grow up into the next generation of adults. They're going
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  Speaker 3: to take this with them into the workforce. They're going
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  Speaker 3: to take this when they get married, have their own
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  Speaker 3: partners and again, they're going to think that violence is acceptable.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's personally incumbent as well on schools that
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  Speaker 3: in the event that a child is being violent, Caleb,
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  Speaker 3: they need to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: It in the first instance. None of this.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you know, we'll give young Johnny another go, we'll
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  Speaker 3: see how he goes.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: No, if a kid's being violent, you deal with it,
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  Speaker 3: You suspend them, you expel them, no excuses. We've all
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  Speaker 3: seen that awful vision of that schoolgirl who was allegedly bullied.
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  Speaker 3: She was allegedly hit and made to bark like a
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  Speaker 3: dog in Sydney a couple of months ago. And that's
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  Speaker 3: just one example. But I just think that this is
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  Speaker 3: part of a broader problem.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, I agree that schools should
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  Speaker 5: crack down harder. And there are elements of this that
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  Speaker 5: are concerning, you know, particularly nineteen percent of students saying
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  Speaker 5: that you shouldn't report violence. You know that there's one
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  Speaker 5: in five basically saying I will just sweep it under
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  Speaker 5: the rug and forget about it.
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  Speaker 1: I find that concerning. But I would make two points.
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  Speaker 5: One is I don't know what the numbers used to be,
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  Speaker 5: because I don't know whether this is the first time
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  Speaker 5: this survey has been run or whatever. But I suspect
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  Speaker 5: if you asked these same questions twenty years ago, the
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  Speaker 5: results wouldn't be all that much different. In fact, you
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  Speaker 5: may even have more support for.
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  Speaker 4: Violence, probably would have punched the research around me.
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  Speaker 1: And than you do today.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say as to the question of you know,
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  Speaker 5: some things need to be solved by force, I do
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  Speaker 5: agree with the point.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you should go around punching everyone
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  Speaker 5: you don't like, and that you solve disputes in the
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  Speaker 5: workplace because you've got an issue with your co worker
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  Speaker 5: by giving them.
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  Speaker 1: A punch up.
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  Speaker 5: But what I am saying is that when you've got
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  Speaker 5: issues of bullies, right, and so we're talking about schools,
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  Speaker 5: kids who are pushing other kids around, once upon a
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  Speaker 5: time you went home to Mum and dad, and dad said, well,
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  Speaker 5: next time little Johnny punches you, you give him a
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  Speaker 5: whack back and give him a taste of his own medicine.
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  Speaker 5: And we don't do that anymore. We say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, go and tell the teacher and maybe the
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  Speaker 5: teacher will do something about it. Unfortunately, there in some
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  Speaker 5: cases is not a lot done about bullying, and the
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  Speaker 5: one language that a bully might understand is someone standing
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  Speaker 5: up to them. So yes, I can see a situation
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  Speaker 5: in which force is justified. If force is being used
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  Speaker 5: against you, I don't see why you shouldn't be able
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  Speaker 5: to use it back himself defence, give him.
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  Speaker 4: The whole problem. Isn't the whole problem that the bully
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  Speaker 4: is bigger and stronger than you? And so I'm always
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  Speaker 4: if not, like, when has that ever worked? I guess
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  Speaker 4: I mean in the movie, Yeah, I know a single
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  Speaker 4: time when that is actually okay.
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  Speaker 5: But bullies pick on kids that they perceive to be
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  Speaker 5: weaker than them, and you're saying, yes, I'm weaker if
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  Speaker 5: you don't fight back. Now, if you have the wherewithal
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  Speaker 5: to turn around and give the bloke a crack, he
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  Speaker 5: might go, oh geez, maybe this isn't the kid I
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  Speaker 5: thought I was dealing with, and it's not the kid
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  Speaker 5: I'll be dealing with in future.
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  Speaker 2: Teach the bully lest you with an end. Then when
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  Speaker 2: does it end?
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  Speaker 3: If you're both just going at each other one after
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  Speaker 3: the other, and I for an eye, as they say,
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  Speaker 3: when you're both as bad as one another.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, come on, you're saying a bit.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's not bad to fight, No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 4: I think if you could, like if you could know
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  Speaker 4: that you could turn around deck a bully and that
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  Speaker 4: would be the end of it. I'd have no problem
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  Speaker 4: with that whatsoever. The problem is that it is very
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  Speaker 4: well almost never the end of it. Look I know
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  Speaker 4: from experience myself. I remember when I was in year
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  Speaker 4: seven there was a horrible, horrendous kid who was in
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  Speaker 4: your eight I think at the time. But he had
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  Speaker 4: a crack at me and he jumped out, and there
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  Speaker 4: was only one thing I knew how to do that.
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  Speaker 4: I had this amazing move that I could do where
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  Speaker 4: if someone jumped on me from behind and I could
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  Speaker 4: flip them over my shoulder, And so that's what I did.
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  Speaker 4: Jack grabbed me from behind, completely took me by surprise
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  Speaker 4: and tried to have a go at me, and I
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  Speaker 4: grabbed his arm, flipped him over the shoulder, and he
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  Speaker 4: landed flat on the concrete, screaming satisfied. I've ever felt in.
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  Speaker 2: My life that could have been dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: I hope so. And yeah, absolute no, he's absolutely a horrible,
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  Speaker 4: horrible kid and he did absolutely deserve it. But for
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  Speaker 4: the rest of that year, and I was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was, I was, you know for that rest of
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  Speaker 4: that recess. I was a hero for the rest of
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  Speaker 4: that year. Him and his posse of bigger and stronger
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  Speaker 4: mates spent every single lunch time stalking around the school
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  Speaker 4: trying to find me, trying to look and I spent
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  Speaker 4: every single lunchtime running literally for my life. They eventually
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  Speaker 4: caught me, and it was terrible. And so what do
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  Speaker 4: you do? So how does it work? So even if
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  Speaker 4: you get that fairy tale moment where you beat the
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  Speaker 4: bully in a fair fight, just one on one, they
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  Speaker 4: are always they're like isis They're always going to be
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  Speaker 4: prepared to go to more and more extremes than you are.
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  Speaker 4: And so I don't I just don't say. And schools
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  Speaker 4: are much better at dealing with it now than they
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  Speaker 4: were in my day back then. And bullies are much
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  Speaker 4: better at doing it without teachers noticing. They don't do
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  Speaker 4: it in front of the teacher because they know that it's,
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  Speaker 4: you know, something that's the most effective if their victim
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  Speaker 4: feels isolated and alone, which is.
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  Speaker 5: Much easier to do now because a social media.
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  Speaker 4: Right, that's right, that is what's right. That's what really
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  Speaker 4: terrifies me. And there's other things. It's really complicated, Like
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  Speaker 4: there's it's amazing you sort of get all this stuff
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  Speaker 4: when you see kids at school, but like there was
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  Speaker 4: a scenario in which it looked like and these are
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  Speaker 4: all real life scenarios. I won't say how I know
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  Speaker 4: them all, but there was a scenario in which six
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  Speaker 4: kids were bashing two kids after school. In fact, it
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  Speaker 4: turns out that the six kids were a victim because
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  Speaker 4: two kids had gone after one kid trying to jump
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  Speaker 4: in and then didn't realize that he thought he was
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  Speaker 4: alone and the other kids had come out, and I
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  Speaker 4: was sort of doing this thing and something. There's an
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  Speaker 4: other case where there was a really toxic online group
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  Speaker 4: chat where there's lots of bullying going on, and then
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  Speaker 4: the kid who was being bully said stop it or
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  Speaker 4: I'll bash you, and that kid ended up being the
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  Speaker 4: one who got in trouble because he was the one
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  Speaker 4: threatening vice. So I don't think just saying well, look
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  Speaker 4: all out the fists, lord go aways, stand up to
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  Speaker 4: bullies and everything will be all right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that there are multiple examples, but again, I
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  Speaker 3: think it does come back to if the schools have
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  Speaker 3: to deal with this in the but again, the environment
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  Speaker 3: that these kids are growing up in as well is
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  Speaker 3: a big deal.
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  Speaker 5: You can just clear you up on another point you made,
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  Speaker 5: which was about you think video games are a contributed
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  Speaker 5: I do. I think so do you think do you
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  Speaker 5: think it's because you know too many murder mysteries on
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  Speaker 5: Tilly that we get people being killed as well?
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  Speaker 6: No, I'm not, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying no, what are.
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  Speaker 1: The video games?
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  Speaker 3: There has been studies before that kids are exposed to violence,
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  Speaker 3: but they have been composed to violence on video games.
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  Speaker 3: There was a story on the front page of the
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  Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph last week the kids are being exposed to
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  Speaker 3: beheadings and isis inspired terrorist plots on some of these games?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's a different propaganda. Actually, video
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  Speaker 4: that radical liberately try to radicalize, but they are playing
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  Speaker 4: video that there are.
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  Speaker 3: Video games that do expose kids to violence. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying that every child is out there when they're
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  Speaker 3: on the device product.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it is the main driver. I never
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  Speaker 2: said it was the main driver.
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  Speaker 3: I'm satting that saying that there are video games that
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  Speaker 3: do expose kids to violence.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, but I don't I don't think that's the issue.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that's what's causing them to know.
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  Speaker 4: Some studies that suggest that that they kids using that
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  Speaker 4: as an outlet means they're not playing out.
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  Speaker 5: This is something that may drive you to violence though,
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  Speaker 5: is when you see the Prime Minister on the telly,
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  Speaker 5: you might.
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  Speaker 1: Take go away.
• 10:45
  Speaker 5: You know what's going on with that petrol prices? At
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  Speaker 5: least they're going down a little bit now. But anyway,
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  Speaker 5: he has appeared on the televisual service over on Channel
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  Speaker 5: nine has mister Albanzi on the Hundred, which is hosted
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  Speaker 5: by Andy Lee of course, sir one half of Hamish
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  Speaker 5: and Andy, and he's invited the Prime Minister on to
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  Speaker 5: answer a few questions. Now, the format of this program
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  Speaker 5: is they have one hundred people and basically the panelists
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  Speaker 5: on the show have to guess which what percentage of
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  Speaker 5: the hundred will have agreed to a question. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the question might be, you know how many people brush
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  Speaker 5: their teeth at night and they've got a guess. You know,
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  Speaker 5: is it forty percent or nineteen percent? I told you
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  Speaker 5: that I know, I know, and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 5: say whether how often, or when you brush your teeth Joe.
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  Speaker 5: So the Prime Minister goes on the program and the
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  Speaker 5: one hundred people involved asked how many of them know
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  Speaker 5: who this bloke is?
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  Speaker 7: The first part of any guest coming on our show
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  Speaker 7: is I say to one hundred, how many of you
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  Speaker 7: recognize this person? So pop your answers in hundred and
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  Speaker 7: how many people you think might recognize you?
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  Speaker 2: If it's not high, I'm in trouble. All right, it's
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  Speaker 2: coming in.
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  Speaker 4: How many of one hundred recognized.
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  Speaker 2: Our special guests?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Well it's the highest ever had you know, who are.
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  Speaker 8: The people who are leaving Australia.
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  Speaker 2: At this time?
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  Speaker 5: That look ninety ain't bad, but imagine being the two
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  Speaker 5: percent that have never heard of Anthony Albanese.
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  Speaker 1: He don't recognize the.
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  Speaker 4: I just find I'm not sure who who did the yard.
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  Speaker 4: It is probably one of my beloved colleagues. This is
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  Speaker 4: actually red numbers, the shocking number of people who didn't
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  Speaker 4: recognize Anthony Alberdezi. And it said Anthony Alberdezi has suffered
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: a humbling blow as it was revealed not all Australians
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  Speaker 4: on the one hundred recognized him as the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: it's like, do you know what it reminds me of.
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  Speaker 4: It reminds me of the old joke, the old cliche
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  Speaker 4: about the Asian tiger dad whose kid comes home and says, Dad, Dad,
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  Speaker 4: I got ninety eight percent on the exam, and the
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  Speaker 4: fun said, what happened to that other two percents? Come
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  Speaker 4: on annual said himself, it is the highest recognition. But
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  Speaker 4: I just em Emma is like, Oh, it's embarrassing for
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  Speaker 4: them that two people didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Can we can we actually talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister went on a game show for the
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  Speaker 3: first place, And is this not a prime minister absolutely
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: obsessed with appearances. If he's not dancing his way to
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Swift concert, if he's not front row at a
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  Speaker 3: tennis match, if he's not hopping on breakfast radio or
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  Speaker 3: the next podcast to hit the airwaves, he's now on
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  Speaker 3: a bloody game show for goodness sake. But is it
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister loves an appearance more he does fronting
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  Speaker 3: the media and actually answering serious questions about this country.
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  Speaker 5: I don't mind him going on a game show. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Should gather it in the serious stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Who.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's stilling he should be on Why does
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  Speaker 3: he need to be on a game show?
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  Speaker 4: If it's in the audience, you criticize him. If he's
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  Speaker 4: on the stage, you criticize.
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  Speaker 3: The sky is Absolutely he's eddy everywhere. This Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: loves a photo opportunity, loves to be everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's just human. I mean, we're always criticized so beige,
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  Speaker 4: they're so boring, they're so scripted. You know, they're so rehearsed.
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  Speaker 4: Why can't they just be you know, more like you
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  Speaker 4: and man? And then he behaves more like you?
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  Speaker 2: What to do with a game show? For goodness? Say,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's I mean, he is a game but.
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  Speaker 1: So is your argument.
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  Speaker 5: Because a game show is an unseerious show, he should
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  Speaker 5: not go anywhere near it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I don't think he should be
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  Speaker 2: on a game show.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I feel like he is
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  Speaker 3: at ease and comfortable when he's not actually seriously answering questions.
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  Speaker 3: The alban easy will front up to a press conference.
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  Speaker 2: And he will dither.
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  Speaker 3: He will give you a word salad that rivals Kamala
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  Speaker 3: Harris is very uncomfortable in front of the media. But
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  Speaker 3: when he's on a game show or doing the rest
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  Speaker 3: of these other bits of polava that he does, Albow
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  Speaker 3: is very comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: He likes it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you on that point, but I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that should preclude him from going on a
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  Speaker 5: game show. I mean, if I were Prime minister, I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't turn that invitation down, and I wouldn't have an
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  Speaker 5: issue with Angus Taylor or Pauline. And I know she's
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: not the Prime Minister, but Pauline Hansen famously sort of
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: came back into the team to public life by doing
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  Speaker 5: Dancing with the Stars.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see what the is.
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  Speaker 3: She had to do that. To be honest, she had
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  Speaker 3: to come back into public life. And I think the
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: best way to come back into public life is to
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: do public is to do is to do some sort
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: of PR. That is smart PR Caleb, that's very smart.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, but he's the prime minister of this country.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Doesn't need to make a savvy entrance back into public
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: life for goodness sake.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: How about Look, I'll tell you what. Albot can go.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: On a game show when he starts fronting up to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: the media and actually performs.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Better doesn't he maybe doesn't He do that pretty much
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: every day when.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: He's not doing his word salad with his word salads.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: That's just what I think. Anyway.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Let's move on at the Flying Bats football team. You
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: may have heard of them, a Sydney based football team
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: with a large contingent of trans players, non binary and
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: lgbt IQ plus.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Now the team on.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: You for getting the plus in their den.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Well, the whole apple.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Once the pluses come after a whole world.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: It's the whole alphabet the moment. It could be like
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: that Canadian ow MP who entered it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could have introduced it like that.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Now, the team play in the women's league. Despite the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: fact that they have biological male players, and when they
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: were playing two years ago they had at least five
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: biological male players, it wouldn't come as any surprise. They
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: were undefeated in that league, seventeen wins from seventeen games.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: They won the local competition. Six of those games they
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: won because the opponents actually withdrew from that round. They
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: forfeited the round because biological women didn't want to come
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: up against biological men. I think that's absolutely fair enough.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Ben Fordham on two gb this morning has exclusively revealed
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: that the Flying Bats have turned up now in another league.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: But any team.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Playing against them who wants to forfeit because of their
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: own biological rights, well they're no longer allowed to have
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: a silent protest.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Have listened to why.
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: The Flying Bats are now in the Women's Super League
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: in the Northern Suburbs Football Association. Anyone who wants to
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: play in the Super League, which is the top division,
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: have individually signed agreements, and this is the crucial part.
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: The agreements state that teams will not forfeit playing the
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: Flying Bats who have the male born players.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: So basically they have to sign that they will not forfeit.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: They will not be allowed to oppose the Flying Bats
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: because of this whole trans issue.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: How pathetic.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It's basically saying deal with it or don't play. That
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: is the message that to me, simply says women's rights
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: are not important. That says that DEI trumpets basic women's
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: rights and the heart of this the problem.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It's completely legal to do. So we've been through.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: This before that it comes down to the Sex Discrimination
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Act with Julia Gillard amended, whereby we don't have any
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: basic biological rights because male, female and sex are deemed
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: absolutely irrelevant in society right now. I think that this
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: is appalling that female biological women have to go up
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: against men who are obviously stronger, that's just a scientific fact,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: and putting their own bodies at risk to go up
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: against these big men and being told no, we don't
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: complain about it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Play or don't.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: I mean now one of they called the flying bats
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: because this is bat you know what I mean?
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Do you reckon? They're missing the words hit crazy exactly.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I just I cannot get over this. Like you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: if you told me five years ago that I would
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: be sitting on a national TV program saying, you know what,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: I might be a feminist now I would have hit
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: you are absolutely off your rocker.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: What have you been taking?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: But here I am thinking, am I becoming a feminist
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: because I'm going hang on, what we're doing here is
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: a raising women. Like we're saying you are being forced
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: not a gunpoint, but if you want to participate in
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: the top soccer league in your area as a woman,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: you are being told that you have to sign away
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: your rights and say I will now compete in the
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: women's league against men, or I don't get to.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Hit the field.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: It's just extraordinary. I can't believe this is allowed. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: mean there should be some of course, in the UK
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: there was a court ruling on what a woman was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: This needs to go right to the top, because if
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: you have sporting leagues, local as it may be, making
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: these decisions, I don't care if it's the top of
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: the tree soccer bottom of the tree soccer. It has
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: to be about fairness and this is just pure and
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: simple unfit.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Look, I agree, it is amazing and I was observing
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: the same thing. I think it's phenomenal that you now
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: have conservatives and lesbian separatists on the same side of
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: an issue. I'm going to play Devil's advocate just for
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the hell of it. These teams they signed up voluntarily.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: It's soccer. It's not rugby league. It's not a full
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: contact sport or much of a contact sport at all.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: It's not supposed to be a contact sport. Obviously. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: know that happens accidentally sometimes, but then of course one
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: of the players has to line the ground crying for
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: twenty five minutes until the ref season. But why don't
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: we just why don't we assume that people said, yeap,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: fair enough, we're here to play. We're in this next level.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: We've signed up to say no, we won't forfeit and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: see what happens.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Offensive and a woman that's so offensive.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Might not just see what happens.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, not to see what happens.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Why should biological women put their own bodies on the
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: line to go up on biological men. If you're a
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: trans player and you want to play, go and play
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: in an open league, you do not play in the women's.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Don't think there'd been enough to form a league, Well, then.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Don't play at all. Well that shouldn't be They should not.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Be allowed in the women's league. You look at what
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: happened over at the Olympic Games when Aman Khalif the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: boxer played against the Italian woman. Right, the Italian woman
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: broke down in tears and walked off. And then we
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: now later find out, not that we needed to find
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: out from testing, that among Kalief was indeed born with
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: male chromosomes. It's not a trans Absolutely, it is absolutely
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: unfair that women should be going up against smaller What
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: would we put a biological woman?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Will we put a biological woman to.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Buy a biological man? If I if I went up
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I went up against another AFL player, another one an
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: AFL player, or if I went up against you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: if I played rugby league with someone, I would get
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: the floor white with me, because some people are just
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: bigger and stronger.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But draw that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: You have to draw the line somewhere, and the generally
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: accepted line is gender or gender six because gender, that's
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: just there's about seventy five of them allegedly. But you
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: draw the line at six because six is a major
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: determinant of a your physical attributes and.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Your hormones and all these other things.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: In every recorded sport, in every record, in every sport,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: the male version of is a fast or a further
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: whatever it is than it is women.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: So let it play out. If there's a higher rate
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: of injuries that will become apparent. If everyone's just forfeiting
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and saying no, we're not going to play, how are
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you're actually going to prove whether or not there is
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: an unface.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: We don't need to prove it in some small league
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: in suburban Sydney. We know it, like it is well
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: proven scientifically that biological men are stronger than women.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Why do we need to let this play out of science.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: You have if you have if you have this game,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: you have this league, and this side the bats and
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: flying Bats are winning a disproportioned number of games.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: They were they were, they won, they were out of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: severy then they.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Won because everyone was forfeited, and.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They won, and they also won, they won the local competition.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: And then because they're frofiting, so don't forfeit, go and
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: play them. And then if you're still seeing that massive nap,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: why would you know.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to go up against them?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I completely support the women that said no, I'm not
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: playing against these biological men. Good on them, but they
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have had to do that from the beginning because
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: they shouldn't have been persecuted basically by woke DEI policies.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: It's just it is ridiculous, but it's going through the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: courts of the moment.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: You look at Giggle versus.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Tickle, where a judge in that case ruled that sex
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: was interchangeable. We live in this ridiculous backward society in Australia.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: You mentioned UK. The US is forging ahead, and here
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: we are thinking that you can be whatever you want
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to be, it doesn't matter what you're born with.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Just while we're talking about sport and things that are
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: that's hit. The bat and the hitting are quite important Barmie.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, you would know about the Barmie Army.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: This is the mob that goes around supporting the Poms
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: in the cricket everywhere they go, and of course when
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: we have the Ashes out here as we did last year,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: they are always here in force singing their songs. Well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: they have now decided that they are casting aside one
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: of their most well known members, a man by the
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: name of Victor Flowers. He is known as the unofficial
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: leader of the Barmi Army. But the Barmi Army has
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: now said that we are distancing ourselves from him because
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: he's decided to run for a council in England for
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: UK Reform. The Barmi Army says we wish to be
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: clear that the individual referred to in recent media coverage
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: in connection with his candidacy for Reform UK the local
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: election is not an active member of the Barmie Army,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: nor is he employed by or affiliated with the Barmi
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Army in any official capacity. I mean, how weak are
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you people there and say, this is a bloke running
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: for what is now the biggest party in the United Kingdom.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: If they had a general election today, Reform led by
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Nigel Farage would be winning that election. I mean, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: just listen to their own songs if you want to
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: know what's going on.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Johnson, he's von in his sight.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Now they bowling to the left, only it would seem
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: now no bowling to the right for the Barbie Army.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, for goodness sake, is running for a council
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: for a mainstream conservative party and they feel the need
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: to come out and oh, you know, he's not one
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: of us anymore, and it's just pathetic.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: It's amazing. I love how they put out the official statement,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I know paraphrase says we wish to be clear that
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the individual referred to in recent media coverage in connection
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: with his candidacy for Reform UK at a local election
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: is not an active member of the Barmie Army, nor
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: is he employed by or affiliated with the Barmie Army
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in any official capacity like these guys their Buckingham Palace.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: It's amazing. I just kind of think, like, who do
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you have to be or like on either side of
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: this debate where you think, oh geez, I'm not sure
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: if this is too good for our reputation, we better
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: distance ourselves from this guy. Otherwise people will think what
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: we're bamie? Yeah, like what like what reputation do they
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: think they need to protect my saying that this guy
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: has nothing to do with it? It's only to say
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: where the incredibly rational, invented and moderate Army?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know what's bizarre. So they actually
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: put that statement, Caleb that you read up. They put
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: it on their social media, but they quickly turned off
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: all commenting on the post.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: How weak and pathetic is that? And you know the.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: BAMI Army are known for their sledging in that video.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I mean they sledge Australian players, something chronic. Yet they
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: couldn't take the criticism that they've been receiving, particularly from
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the UK media. So they're so wet rag that they've
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: now turned off all comments.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand how.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Also the Bamie Army, you know, I would like to
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: think that they are a bunch of very Britain first
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: pro UK They're very patriolgic to say, to say the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: least and I would suggest say that Reform UK led
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: by Nigel Farage would be very patriotic as well, but
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: they can't take the heat when they've done.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: There a bunch of guys who sing songs at the
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: cricket and they don't actually need to have an official
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: foreign policies.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe you don't need.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: A bunch of guys who chant at the cricket. You
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: don't need.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Immigration politics at always a bloke who's been involved with
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: the BAMI Army is running for Council for Reform but.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Hasn't even really officially been involved with them. That's not the.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's very it's very wet, rag, isn't it now
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: that we've been talking all week, of course about Welcome
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: to Country after we saw the booing at the ANZAC
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: day service, and it may come as no surprise, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the majority of you at home are indeed fed up
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and have had enough with the Welcome to Country ceremonies.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: The Institute of Public Fairs has just done a survey
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: in the last couple of days and the findings were
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: actually quite interesting. It found that sixty percent of respondents
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: agree or strongly agreed that Welcome to Country ceremonies have
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: been divisive overall, and it also found that forty nine
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: percent of respondents either agreed or strongly agreed that welcome
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: to country ceremonies should no longer be performed at Anzac
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Day services. Though I have to say only forty nine percent,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: but didn't think that either agreed or strongly. I just
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: thought that maybe as particularly the Anzac Day ceremony line,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that there would have been more people who wouldn't have
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: agreed with it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: To be honest.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Now, this morning Anthony ALBINIZI attended a breakfast put on
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: by the Chamber of Minerals and Energy over in Perth.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: And aside from the fact that he got heckled at
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: that event, there was a welcome to country there that
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: went for seven minutes.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Would you believe?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, but the Prime Minister absolutely fawned over it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: I do want to thank Robin as well for the
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: wonderful welcome the country that we just received. It uplifted
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: all of us, didn't hurt anyone. It's about bringing people
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: together and I thank Robin and her son for that
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: very warm welcome to her country.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, the virtue signaling at its very best seven minutes
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: seven I mean that is pathetic.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Come on, seven minutes just to sit there, and again,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: well you do have to sit there. This is a problem.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And I've said this the other night.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I think that Ossie's overall we're a very tolerant bunch,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: and I do actually.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Think we're very very respectful. But that's the thing.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: We sit there, we take it, we listen to it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: We're not going to carry on. Aside from some people
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: who did at the ANZAC Day ceremony, which I do
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: not agree with. I think it was entirely inappropriate to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: boo there. But we have been sitting there taking it
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: four years now, we've got sixty percent of us saying no,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: it's become absolutely divisive.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Divisive.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Enough is enough, and you've got the prime inters to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: say no, it's absolutely wonderful.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: But again, when does it end? Seven minutes? Joe? Come on?
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't like a long, boring speech anymore than
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: anyone else. And welcome to country. There's not really any
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: formula for them, so people can just say whatever they want.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I like that about it, to be honest. But they're
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: always better when often they're very funny and they're short
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: and they're good and they make a good point, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: they make you think and it's fantastic. Sometimes they can
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: be really long and earnest and whatever. I think. Either way, though,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: it's part of adulthood when you're at a solemn ceremony
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: like this, just like you wouldn't do it in church
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: or a church service or any other national commemoration, that
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: you just whether you agree with everything that's being said
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: or not, or that it should be being said at all,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: or the person who's up there, you don't boo in
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: the middle of an important national occasion. And there is
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: no occasion more sacred than an Anzac Day dawn silver.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: So that aside, I think you know you just don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: do it. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, but
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: just don't do it. And if you can't, if you're
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: too much of a bedwetter to be able to stand
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: there and just listen to something in silence out of respect,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: just don't go. So that would be my advice with
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: the IPA pole, though there's some interesting things about it
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: as well. Firstly, the number of people who say that
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: it's become divisive is actually much higher than the number
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: of people who disapprove of it, So there are people
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: who actually say I want it to be there, or
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: perhaps don't care whether it's there or not, but do
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: say it's become divisive. So obviously, when you're doing a
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: poll like this days after, you know, days after, everyone
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: has come out and said it's divisive, it's divisive, it's divisive.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: And I've written a column on this, and I reckon
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: about ninety eight percent of the it's like going on
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: the going on Addie Lee's show, about ninety eight percent
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: of the comments saying no, it's divisive, it's divisive. Welcome
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: to Country is terrible. If you're reading all that and
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: hearing all that, you're going to say it's divisive. The
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: more significant one is that forty nine percent either agreed
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: or strongly agreed. That is, there's a large amount because
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: there's a huge amount of nearly don't know that's right,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: but the other half is divided between supporting it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I thought it would have been higher than that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: So it's a high number because it's double the it's
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the largest, that's right, it's the largest group. But more
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: people support welcomes to Country at Antaic Day than they
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: do it sporting ceremonies. So where people do support it
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: is more people do support it is at those profound
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: national events rather than just having it, I suppose for
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the sake of having it just because there's a lot
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: of people there. And also the numbers of people supporting
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: it have gone down and the number of people opposing
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: it have gone up since that first disgraceful booing episode
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: in Melbourne in the last week before the election exactly
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: a year ago, and so I think it's just kind
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: of I think you've got people who are out there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: We saw earlier tonight as Shari I was as Sorry
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: as Shary reported, was exposed by another media outlet that
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: one of the guys who led the booing in Sydney
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: was a neo Nazi. Was it a neo Nazi rally? Again?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I think people who are buying into this argument that
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: it's just divisive and this is the time to talk
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: about why we should get rid of it, they are
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: getting sucked into an argument by extremists and they are
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: doing their bidding, and I just think you should be
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: careful about the company you.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: So now you're suggesting that those who think the welcome
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: to country is sorry are buying into neo Nazi talking.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: They don't know they are suggest that all of this
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: debate has happened. Why why are we all talking about
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: this now because someone booed at the Dawn service, who
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: bood and neo Nazi? Why did he do it to
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: get people talking about it?
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: But we've been talking about the fact that welcomes to
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: country are overdone and divisive for some time. Sure, the
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: debate is you know exactly what they're trying, but this
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: is not. But this is not a new phenomenon.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: This has some time.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: The escalation of it is new and the trend away
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: from it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: And so you're saying that the entire argument ought to
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: be discredited because one of the people involved wasn't neo Nazi.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: No, I think that, just like you know, saying on
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: October eighth Israel as an invading occupying force is probably
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: not the right time, you know what I mean. So
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: don't use what is clearly a trap being set by extremists,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: white supremacist neo Nazis, just as the last one was,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: the last time there was a big flare up in
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: this debate, don't use that as a platform to have
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: a go welcome to country. I think have that debate
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: by all means I will defend free speech.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Dickhead also happens to agree with my point of view,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: it doesn't discredit my point of view.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what people said when they were criticizing Israel.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: On April eighth, a day after Hermas stormed the southern border,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I said, I don't agree with what Hamas did, but
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Israel is doing terrible things.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: But hang on, I think it's a I.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Don't agree with their methods, but they have a point.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what they're saying, and it's not different at all.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, But I'm not saying neo Nazis have a point.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, just be was a neo Nazi happens to
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: agree with me on something. It doesn't mean that I
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: believe in the same stuff as neo Nazis.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: What you're conflating different.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: So the number of people who have said, I don't
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: agree with the doing at the Dawn service, but there
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have been a welcome to country, it is exactly
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the same as people saying I don't agree with what
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: her Master did on October seventh, but Israel has been.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh I think that's absolutely taken it to the absence.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: But it's like when people say but it's like when
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: people say, oh, no, you can't be proud of your
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: country because that makes you white and racist.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Because zi Australian Nazi flag.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: It's like, there's the March for Australia, it's not the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: March for Australia protests.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Which is also by neo Nazi.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: The point of that protest was to be proud of
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: your country. And yes it was infiltrated by neo Nazis,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: but people there were not neo Nazis.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Not everybody there. People were just.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Saying I want to be proud of the country. You
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: can't just lob everybody into the one catgy.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: But the point is, if you want to make your point,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: the time and place to do it is not when
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you are standing next to or unconsciously or not doing
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: the bidding of neo Nazis and white supremacist And that
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: is exactly my point.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: If you just make you a neo Nazi, if you did,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't make you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: But what you're saying is is it it is advancing
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: the wishes of neo Nazis.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I'm saying it's just as it was inappropriate to use
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the wake of the hamas attack to criticize Israel. It
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: is inappropriate to use booing of the Dawn Service as
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: a premise, even though you say, of course you don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: agree with it, to criticize welcomes to country, have those,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: have those debates by all means, but to do it
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: directly after a provocateur who is an extremist leads a
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: booing campaign at the Dawn Service hoping to get precisely
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: this sort of debate going, and to then play into it, well,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: that is as bad, and it is as bad. But
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: distinction we're going to go to israil as saying debate
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: about indigenous people in Australia. Marshall linkediness, I.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Think that's a very there's a very very big distinction,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: and I I just don't think that if you don't
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: like welcome to countries, that's fine. I don't agree with
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the booing, but I don't think we should not lob
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: everybody into that one category anyway.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Fiery debate wal coming up after the break.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a look at the front pages
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: and we'll get an update on the missing little five
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: year old Sharon up in the Northern Territory.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Before we get to the papers,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: To cross live to the UK where two Jewish men
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: are seriously injured after being stabbed in Golders Green in
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: North London. The BBC has reported that a man with
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a knife was seen running down the high street attempting
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to stab Jewish people. Prime Minister Kiir Starmer has addressed
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: this in the House of Commons.
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: It is deeply concerning to everyone in this house. There
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: is now a police investigation and I think we all
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: need to do everything we can to support that investigation
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: and be absolutely clear in our determination to deal with
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: any of these offenses the like of which we've seen
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: too much recently.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Let's go live to the UK now and catch up
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: with News Corp Europe correspondent and Sky News contributors Sophie Elsworth. Sophie,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us. What more can
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you tell us?
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: Well, Jneka, as you can appreciate, this news is just
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: breaking here in the UK and it's dominating every single
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: radio and TV outlet. Incredibly concerning that two men have
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: been stabbed in North London in the Golders Green area.
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: One man has been arrested after he was tasered. The
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: details on what exactly unfolded are minimal at the moment,
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: but it was believed to be close to us, some
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: shops on the high Street there in Golders Green and
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: also near a synagogue, and we have heard for trying
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: to secure stamer As you just played then that he said,
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: this is deeply concerning.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: But Danika, this comes after a.
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: Spate of attacks on the Jewish community in recent months
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: here in the UK, so as you can imagine, they're
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: deeply concerned and very distressed by this latest news.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: So this is being treated, Sophie as an attack directly
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: on Jewish people. Obviously this man who's been apprehended, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: we will learn more in the coming hours, but they
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: are treating this as a deliberate attack on Jewish people.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: They absolutely are.
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: Caleb the Campaign for Anti Semitism group came out and
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: spoke about this and said it's yet another attack that
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: is directed at the Jewish community. We know there is
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: a heavily populated Jewish population around the Boulders Green area.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: So this seems to be a targeted attack.
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: But as I have said, we don't have a lot
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: of details because it's only just unfolded in the last
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: hour or so but the Jewish community have come out
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: and voice their distress over this.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: We've also heard from the Home Shadow Home.
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: Secretary Chris who said that this is a real concern
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: another attack on the Jewish community.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: So, as you can.
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: See from the comments we've heard from people so far,
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: including the Lord Mayors Thatik Khan, the whole community in
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: Britain is very concerned by this because there seems to
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: be attack after attack on the Jewish community in Britain
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: and this real wave of antisemitism running through the community
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: in the UK and Sophie.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Obviously in Australia we have seen the Bondi terror attack,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: which has horrified obviously Jews and gentiles alike. But the
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Jewish community has said, look, we've been warning about this,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: warning about the seriousness of the anti Semitism of what
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: it leads to. We've seen this before. Is there a
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: similar sentiment in the UK where the Jewish community feels
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: like it's been sort of warning and warning about these
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: kind of attacks and people just aren't, either through amnesia
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: about the past or unwillingness to confront it, that authorities
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: or the broader community has not been fully understanding their anxieties.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, Joe.
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: I mean watching the reports in Australia on the attacks
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: on the Jewish communities. Obviously we had that horrific attack
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: in Bondi Beach which went all around the world.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: The news of that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: The Brits are really concerned here like they are in Australia,
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: that they're not being listened to, that they're warning repeatedly
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: and repeatedly we keep getting attacks on our community and
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: not enough is being done. And unfortunately, Joe, these stories
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: are popping up all too often here in the UK
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: and this is just another example of the latest attack
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: on the Jewish community.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: So the pressure will again be on the Labor government.
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: To take swift action because there has been criticism that
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: they have not done enough.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: No, and then that's the question whether or not Kirstarma
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: will or not. It's a bit like here in Australia.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Sophie Elsworth really appreciate you bringing us the latest. Thank
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you so much for that update, and we will keep
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: our viewers up to date there. But as we know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: two Jewish Londoners stab there, one person arrested and as
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: soon as we find out the latest information we will
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: bring it to you. But these are some live pictures
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: coming in right now. You can see there's a very
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: large police presence. A number of these streets are being
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: cordered off. There's ambulance crews at the scene as well.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: We are yet to actually officially hear from police in
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: the area that I'm sure they will be gathering the
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: information and providing it. All we know is what the
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister, Keir Starmer David Lammy has the Deputy PM,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: he's put out a statement the anti Semitic attack in
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Golder's Green is horrific and no one should live in.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Fear because of who they are.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: We stand with the Jewish community and we must root
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: out this hatred. Thank you, he says to the Shaman
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: hatzol CST and the police for.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Their swift responses.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: So that is the statement they're coming out from the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: UK Labor garn there. It is horrific and as Sophie
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: alluded to as well Caleb, there have been a spate
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: of Jewish attacks in recent weeks. There have been a
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: number and I believe that there was at least seven
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to eight people arrested over the last couple of weeks.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And we're talking deliberate targeted attacks of Jews.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: When does it end?
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Well? And it's again this case is you alluded to
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Joe where it's like, how much of a lead up
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: warning do you need on this stuff before you start
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: going hmm, you know there might be some correlation between
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: ARISE and anti Semitism and then people going out and
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: committing acts of violence against Jews. You should be able
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: to see this stuff coming. It's not rocket science. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: mean when it happens, we jump up and down and go,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: oh my god, I can't believe this has happened. Well,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: of course it was going to happen. What has been
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: done to stop this kind of violence, Because the only
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: thing you can do to stop the violence is to
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: stop the proliferation of the thught that leads to the violence,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: and clearly not enough has been done in that regard
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: here and over there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right. And again, it's a very particular,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: specific kind of hatred that is different from other forms
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: of prejudice and racism, as horrible as they all are,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: but this is something that revolves around crazy conspiracy theories
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: that has used against the Jews, in which it's used
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: against no other particular race or religion of people. And
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: if just listen to your history, read your history. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: mean it's all eyebloody do. And so you see this
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: stuff and you go white because you know what's coming.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: If you know your history, you know what's coming next,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: and you shouldn't be surprised.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: No.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, We've just got a Kirstarma social media post.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: He says.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: The anti Semitic attack in Golden Green is utterly appalling
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: attacks on our Jewish cas a minuity, our attacks on Britain.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Thank you to Shaman had Zola and the police for
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: acting swiftly. Those responsible will be brought to justice. And
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: as I said, I mean, if we go back to
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: those live pictures that we saw on our screen from
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: just before, you can see that there is a very
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: very large police presence in the area and it would
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: certainly concern all of the community. But as I said,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: we will keep you up to date throughout the evening
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: and our news team will alert us as soon as
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: we get some more information.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Stay with us coming up after the break.
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: Care.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Have you ever taken a chip.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Off someone's plate and gone, gosh, that just tastes even
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: better than the chips on my own plate.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there's actual science now to back that up. That's next,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: welcome back.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Well, you know when you just nab something from somebody
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: else's plate and it just tastes so good, like when
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you take a chip and you go, oh, that's absolutely delicious. Well,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: there's now actual science to back up this phenomenon, that
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it's true that when you take some food or a
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: chip from someone else's place, it tastes so much better.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Valentine Skyborn of the Russian Medical Academy of Continuous Professional
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Education in Moscow's that's absolutely incredible. I conducted a study
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: exploring whether breaking moral rules could heighten the pleasure of eating.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: His findings revealed the participants judged identical chips as tasting
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: considerably better when obtained through underhanded means. Most strikingly, chips
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: were taken covertly in high risk situations, for example, when
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: a seagulls coming to steal your food or you're doing
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: it very quickly trying to steal a chip were rated
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: forty percent more enjoyable than those handed directly voluntarily.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: So that behavior that explains the behavior of every single
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: wife and girlfriend in the country. He constantly says, Oh, no,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not hungry, and I don't want to think, no,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to have something else, and then when
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: you get your food, they say, oh that looks nice,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: can I have some? And then that before he can answer,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: they grab some.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: Got it themselves, Like it's totally unsurprising, right. It's the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: same reason that having a fling with someone that you
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: know might be a bit salacious, you know, just more
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: exciting stealing someone else's chip.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: She's actually trying to tell you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Telling it spikes things up a bit, fella. That's why
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: your wife's.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you where spicing things up leads to,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: and that is with a little junior on the way.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: This is that's true. If you're a Catholic, don't know
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: how you protest? Do it every for one? I am
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: A commuter has revealed and this is Look, this is
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: as old as the hills, it's as old as time itself,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: but it still just gets me. A commuter has revealed
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: this just absolutely mortifying. Moment after there was this big
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: debate this week over a woman who couldn't believe that
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: even though she was thirty weeks pregnant, people weren't standing
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: up and offering her a seat and a regular thirty
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: minute commute to work and the and another woman has
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: given a clue as to why this might be the case,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: saying that she has been traumatized and afraid to do
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: it ever since she got up and offered her seat
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: to a pregnant woman, only to find out that, in
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: fact the woman wasn't pregnant.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Woman.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: You know what, She's a good point, though, I mean,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I would understand, but you know, you never want to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: assume that a woman's pregnant.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: That's right, why you can't offer the seat, Which is
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: why I don't think.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: When you are heavily pregnant you can tell I think.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: I think you offer your seat up to women in
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: any case, regardless of.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: No practice and practice in which.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: If you're not sure if they're a woman, I tell you.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Though, you don't have to give your seat up to anymore.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson because she now has herself a spicky new
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: plane which has been donated to her in one nation
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: by Gina rayan Hart. I reckon this is great because
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: it means you can get around the country more. And James,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: actually they are a chief staff. As you can see,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: he has a pilot's license so he can fly the thing.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: I actually think there's a good argument that Polly's should
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: be able to Like Joe Bilki, Peterson when he was
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Premier of Queensland had a pilot and a plane because
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  Speaker 5: Queensland's a big place and he had to get around
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  Speaker 5: if he wanted to see everyone. I don't have a
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  Speaker 5: problem with getting around on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's great she calls it sexy.
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  Speaker 3: She's calling it sexy a bit of a theme tonight
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  Speaker 3: for our for our last sex. Thank you to both
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  Speaker 3: of you, Thanks for you at home. Coming up next
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  Speaker 3: is the Rita Panahee Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good Night