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Patriots Catch-22 10/31: Up/Down from Win Over Jets, Titans Matchups to Watch, Drake Maye Update · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 2: Some news to discuss today.
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  Speaker 3: Very exciting to see Drake May back out at Patriots
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  Speaker 3: practice on Thursday. We will get the injury report probably
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  Speaker 3: shortly after we sign off today, so we don't know
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  Speaker 3: exactly what his participation is going to be labeled as,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a great sign that he is back out
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  Speaker 3: there and looked pretty good in the ten minutes that
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  Speaker 3: we got to see him throwing the football against air.
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  Speaker 3: So riveting stuff, but still a good sign. And we'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about the game last week as we always do,
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  Speaker 3: I just teed it up. Let's start here, not where
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  Speaker 3: I planned on start aring. But news is news, News
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  Speaker 3: is news. Yep, Drake may back out at Patriots practice
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday. I always am weary of playing doctor and uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, speculating about these sort of things. But based
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  Speaker 3: on the concussion protocol, uh, it's trending in the right direction.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like based off of Drowd Mayo's comments, and
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  Speaker 3: again this is just purely a speculation on my part.
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  Speaker 3: But based off of Drowd Mayo's comments yesterday, it sounded
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  Speaker 3: like he was probably in phase three of five of
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  Speaker 3: the concussion protocol.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Now that he was there at the beginning of practice,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to mention leading off drills at the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of practice, it does signal that he might be
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  Speaker 3: moving along here and trending in the right direction for Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: So this is I'm with you. I always hate playing doctor, Like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, he hurt his knee, he hurt his arm,
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  Speaker 2: he hurt his whatever. Like we can tell sessions too, right,
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  Speaker 2: So but for me now, it's just knowing the protocol.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, we knew Drake may was in
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  Speaker 2: phase three yesterday. And you know that there's that chart
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  Speaker 2: from NFL dot com that is doing viral numbers among
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots beat Handy as everybody tries to learn the
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  Speaker 2: NFL concussion Protocol. So you know, I like think we
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to think we've become pretty well versed in
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  Speaker 2: this week. Yeah, so Phase one to two you can't
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  Speaker 2: be on the field, so he's clearly past that. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Phase three you can get back on the field for
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  Speaker 2: up to thirty minutes. So credit to Andrew Callahan. When
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  Speaker 2: we were asking Girod Mayo about this yesterday, Callahan kind
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  Speaker 2: of talked about it and then at the very end
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  Speaker 2: ask him like, well, Drake may practice for more than
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  Speaker 2: thirty minutes, and Girod Mayo said no, So that means
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  Speaker 2: he was at phase three yesterday. Yes, so he was
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  Speaker 2: on the field. But and the team can choose whatever
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  Speaker 2: thirty minutes they want, It doesn't matter. He was on
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  Speaker 2: the field was he wasn't on the field when we
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  Speaker 2: were out there, So he wasn't on the field for warmups. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he was on the field for warm ups today. So
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  Speaker 2: that definitively means one thing, and then there's another thing
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  Speaker 2: we have to assume. Okay, it to fin means he
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a setback. Right, if you had a setback
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  Speaker 2: in phase three, he'd go back to phase two, he
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be on the field. So no setback. Good, Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's good, that's good. The question is, without being out
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  Speaker 2: there and without knowing how long he stays out there,
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  Speaker 2: is he still in phase three and they just chose
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  Speaker 2: the first thirty minutes of practice today or is he
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  Speaker 2: in phase four and he's going to be out there
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  Speaker 2: all day now, there's not a ton of upside in
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  Speaker 2: them choosing stretching as the thirty minutes, right, because what
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  Speaker 2: does that do? Whereas you can put him out there
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  Speaker 2: for the game preparation portion of practice. So I feel
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  Speaker 2: safe to say we can call it a strong assumption
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  Speaker 2: that Drake May is into phase four. Yes, And if
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  Speaker 2: you don't mind me taking this one step further, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you have another take to your theory
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  Speaker 2: about he's going to play this week. So there which
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  Speaker 2: I've thought all week long, this is my opinion. There
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  Speaker 2: is a Loophole's not the word, what's the word?
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  Speaker 3: Are you talking about it? For quarterback quarterbacks? Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: not a loophole. It's a different set of rules because
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  Speaker 3: they're not gonna get contact.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same set of rules, but there's a unique
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  Speaker 2: circumstance for quarterbacks. It's a by law. It's a bi bilo.
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  Speaker 2: I can't I'm going with by law. I actually thought
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  Speaker 2: I wrote it here by law. The point being, so
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  Speaker 2: Phase three is you're allowed on the field non contact
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  Speaker 2: for thirty minutes. That's it, Like you can't be on
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  Speaker 2: the field for thirty minutes. Yes. Phase four is you
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  Speaker 2: can go through a normal practice, non contact, and then
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  Speaker 2: what you do to clear the phase is like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: phase three thirty minutes, your symptoms don't increase, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have old symptoms come back. Like, that's how you move
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  Speaker 2: to phase four, right, Yes, so phase four you go
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  Speaker 2: through non contact practice, full practice, and then do your
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  Speaker 2: symptoms come back? Yes? Or no? You go to phase five,
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  Speaker 2: Phase five, full practice, do your symptoms come back? No,
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  Speaker 2: you're cleared? Right. So for quarterbacks specifically, they're always non
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  Speaker 2: contact every practice. So phase four and phase five are
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  Speaker 2: the same thing that doesn't May can get cleared quicker.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't get to skip a phase. But what it
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  Speaker 2: means is if it were like alignment, right, Yeah, being
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  Speaker 2: out for a full practice, even if it's non contact,
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  Speaker 2: you may not be able to go through what you
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  Speaker 2: normally go through as a player, and you may not
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  Speaker 2: be able to get the full game prep that the
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff wants you to get to be able to
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  Speaker 2: play on Sunday. Assuming Drake May is in Phase four today,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably and maybe they hold him back a little
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  Speaker 2: bit if he's dealing with this, but like he has
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to go through a normal practice so he
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  Speaker 2: would have if he clears that does phase five on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: He could in theory, we don't know for sure, because
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  Speaker 2: we don't know what's going on out there, he could
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  Speaker 2: in theory have two full days of practice this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think what I understand that the policy
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  Speaker 3: or the protocol I should say, is that because he's
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  Speaker 3: a quarterback, basically he has to just stack consecutive days
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  Speaker 3: of practice without symptoms. So if he practices today and
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  Speaker 3: is fine, and practices tomorrow and he's fine, then based
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  Speaker 3: off the protocol, theoretically he should be cleared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that that's that's sort of the minutia of it.
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  Speaker 3: I would also just add on top of that, and
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  Speaker 3: then I want to, you know, go back to last week,
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  Speaker 3: but I just want to add on top of that.
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  Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday from a game plan perspective, are the
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  Speaker 3: real nitty gritty detailed days. So Wednesday for the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: and for most teams, I would assume they do it
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  Speaker 3: this way. Wednesday is an early down day and it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot about base concepts, Right. You usually go some
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  Speaker 3: of Wednesday's practice, which is in PAD, so it's the
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  Speaker 3: it's the only fully padded practice of the of the
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  Speaker 3: week most likely. Uh, But most of the time what
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  Speaker 3: you do is you go good on good right, just
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  Speaker 3: like in training camp ones versus one. Yeah, they do
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  Speaker 3: that a decent amount on a on a Wednesday. But
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about first and second down based concepts, so
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  Speaker 3: you're not talking necessarily about game plan install Thursday is big,
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  Speaker 3: big third down day. Thursday is all about third down
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  Speaker 3: and in a little bit red zone. And if you
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  Speaker 3: talk to coaches, they will tell you that that's really
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  Speaker 3: where the game changes week to week. It's not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: first and second down. Everybody kind of has their base runs,
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  Speaker 3: their base pass concepts, their play pass concepts, their early
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  Speaker 3: down quick game like, they all kind of do all that.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody does it across the league. Third down is where
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  Speaker 3: things might get unique, you know, different coverage tendencies for
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  Speaker 3: the opponent, different pass plays for the Patriots. Van Pelt
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  Speaker 3: mentioned this morning that the quarterbacks rank their favorite third
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  Speaker 3: down plays. So Drake May's favorite third down plays are
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  Speaker 3: gonna be different from Jacoby Burssett's favorite third down plays.
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  Speaker 3: So if he long story short, we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: this a little bit yesterday on Unfiltered, would Drake May
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  Speaker 3: have enough practice time to make you feel comfortable with
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  Speaker 3: him playing on Sunday. Not is he healthy and enough
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  Speaker 3: to play on Sunday, but just was he going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to prepare enough to play on Sunday? And
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  Speaker 3: I think practicing today would tell you that he would
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  Speaker 3: have enough time if he.
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  Speaker 2: Does the full practice right, And that's what people need
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  Speaker 2: to understand. It's not as like and girod Mao did
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  Speaker 2: say yesterday, he's like, yeah, I'd be comfortable you know
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  Speaker 2: when he's ready, And that could mean a number of things.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just about being cleared. You can't get cleared. Like,
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  Speaker 2: even if you're cleared, if the coaches say, well you
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  Speaker 2: didn't practice enough for us to put you in the game,
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  Speaker 2: being clear doesn't mean it. Maybe you get to be
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  Speaker 2: the backup, but like being clear doesn't mean anything. So
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  Speaker 2: he has to be cleared and the team has to
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  Speaker 2: feel he's prepared enough to be ready to go. This
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  Speaker 2: is a rather complex defense. I think, what would they
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  Speaker 2: call it to an unpredictable defense? Right, So there's obviously
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  Speaker 2: some wrinkles to be ready for now. He even be
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  Speaker 2: in the film room yep, at least with Phase three
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  Speaker 2: at the early on with the concussion, like you want
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  Speaker 2: to be in a dark room watching a movie, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it it could come down to just whether
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  Speaker 2: or not they feel he's prepared. If if he gets cleared.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and we'll get to that Titans defense, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is a nice test if he does play,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited to see how he plays against this
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  Speaker 3: type of defense because the defenses that he's faced Houston, Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of the Jets are not necessarily what
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  Speaker 3: I would call spin the dial defenses. Those three defenses
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  Speaker 3: kind of do what they do. They have their system,
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  Speaker 3: they have their tendencies, and they don't really stray too
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  Speaker 3: far away from that too often, whereas the Titans throw
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  Speaker 3: a lot at you schematically, like they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of different coverages, a lot of different fronts,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of different things to process from a mental standpoint.
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  Speaker 3: So if he does play on Sunday, I am looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to seeing how he handles that from a mental
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  Speaker 3: load capacity. It's different, you know, different than those like
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  Speaker 3: do what we do type of defenses like he's faced.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go back to last week. I have
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  Speaker 3: a little bit to say about last week as I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you do as well. But I want to stick
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  Speaker 3: on Drake May because that's the topic of the day today.
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  Speaker 3: So a few things. We talked about it briefly out
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  Speaker 3: at practice. We've talked about it in the past. And
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  Speaker 3: I went back and I had grated his ten dropbacks,
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  Speaker 3: his eighteen plays in this game on Sunday, just like
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  Speaker 3: I would if he had played the entire game. I
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  Speaker 3: had him with four plus plays already. He was cooking, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. But with that being said, three of
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  Speaker 3: his four plus plays were out of structure, meaning two
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  Speaker 3: scrambles I had plus plays on, and I had a
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  Speaker 3: plus play on the Thornton throw right, which are all
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  Speaker 3: these the stuff we talk about all the time. The
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's, the Patrick mahomes is, he's scrambling, he's out
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  Speaker 3: of structure. It's not how you drew it up playground football.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a topic this morning that was brought
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  Speaker 3: up to Van Pelt a little bit, and I do
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  Speaker 3: think it's an interesting conversation. I have to say, as
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  Speaker 3: much as he was cooking in that game on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and as great as the seventeen yard touchdown run was,
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  Speaker 3: I actually came away and granted he didn't get to
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  Speaker 3: play the whole game. I came away from this game
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  Speaker 3: being like, okay, you know, I was a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more impressed kind of by the Jaguars tape, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I know he can do all this kind of stuff, right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: this is why I wanted to draft him in the
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  Speaker 3: first place. Right is because he can play this way,
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  Speaker 3: and he can be an athlete, and he can turn
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  Speaker 3: a well covered man coverage down into a seventeen yard touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: And he can take a covered play action shot play
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  Speaker 3: down the field and run around for three seconds, three
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  Speaker 3: and a half seconds by himself time and flick it
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  Speaker 3: fifty yards down the field to Taekwon Thoron. Right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: we knew he could do all those types of things.
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  Speaker 3: But it brings up the conversation of risk reward of
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  Speaker 3: he gets hurt.
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  Speaker 2: He got hurt.
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  Speaker 3: He ran three times in this game for eleven, seventeen
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  Speaker 3: and eighteen yards, three big games on the ground with
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  Speaker 3: his legs, but he got hurt and got knocked out
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  Speaker 3: of the game. Van Pelt also mentioned that unless it
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  Speaker 3: was like a special circumstance or a certain situation, the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots probably aren't gonna call very many designed quarterback runs
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  Speaker 3: for Drake May and they haven't called very many of them.
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  Speaker 3: There's been a few where he's kind of holding the
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  Speaker 3: backside of the defense, like at the mesh point, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's really scripted for him to
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  Speaker 3: actually keep it, if he wants to keep it or not.
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  Speaker 3: But he hasn't really had very many, if at all,
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  Speaker 3: true designed quarterback runs, Like there's been no keepers, no draws,
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  Speaker 3: no any of that. Right, So I guess the long
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  Speaker 3: winded way or short way to say this long witted
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  Speaker 3: take is like, how do you feel about him playing
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  Speaker 3: the way he played on Sunday because he had more
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  Speaker 3: rushing yards than he did passing yards when he got
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  Speaker 3: knocked out of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was only two yard shy being their leading
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  Speaker 2: rusher for the game even though he only played a
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  Speaker 2: quarter I so, like you said, having that club in
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  Speaker 2: the bag is important, but he can't be the only
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  Speaker 2: thing you do. And I wonder if some of it
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  Speaker 2: is just what's around him and feeling like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: drops can be mentally tough for a quarterback as much
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  Speaker 2: as they can be for a receiver, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: now you wonder well, you know, can I trust thrown
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  Speaker 2: to this guy? That sort of thing, and if you
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  Speaker 2: have guys dropping passes and the protection is great, it's
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  Speaker 2: been better. But it's like, I think there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: more of that just in your brain, Like I all right, fine,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it myself, right, that sort of thing. So I,
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  Speaker 2: like you said the Jaguars game, there's some good instructure stuff,
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  Speaker 2: like he's shown flashes of that. That stuff's exciting what
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  Speaker 2: he did against the Jets, but it's got to come
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  Speaker 2: with some in the script plays too. And he only
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  Speaker 2: played a quarter, so who know, maybe he plays the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the game in script and he plays super well,
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  Speaker 2: Like who the hell knows. So I'm not gonna knock it.
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  Speaker 2: I think I said this to you. I said as
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  Speaker 2: somebody I was walking out, like, if there's one thing
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna knock from that performance, really, it's slide like
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  Speaker 2: a second sooner that one yard's not worth it. In
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  Speaker 2: a week eight game against the Jets, it was a
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  Speaker 2: little off balance, and yeah, it's the super Bowl, so
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  Speaker 2: that's right. And Van Pelt talked about this this morning, like,
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  Speaker 2: and I know people will say, well, he doesn't need
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: to do a better job taking care of himself. It
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: was a dirty hit. Dirty hits are gonna happen, like
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  Speaker 2: you want to avoid those two. Van Pelt mentioned that's
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  Speaker 2: a situation where some quarterbacks might just like fall down, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: head first, crumble that sort of thing. He'll learn, like
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: learning experienced rookie quarterback. That's going to be part of
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: this whole thing. Absolutely, But you want to see more
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of the instruction stuff. But it's not like we haven't
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: seen it through three games, like it's been there, you
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: just didn't really see it in that in that game.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: If it becomes a you know, repeated thing, if he
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: plays this week or you know, if it's against the
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Bears and he's sixty minutes of playground football, we have
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: more to talk about it. I'm not overly concerned with
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: it right now.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not either, But it's a it's an inner
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: it's an inner battle for me at times when I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: when I watch this film back of how do I
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: really feel.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: When assessing me? How do you feel? How do we
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: kind of say like that, how do we feel? How well?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I'm no, I'm not going ah yeah yet, I'm conflicted.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I am because I wanted this. I'm gonna be frank
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: like I I or you know, be objective. I wanted
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen and you didn't, and I got God, do.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: You get to turn your back on this place? Style?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I I see what
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe now that I'm seeing it up close
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: every single week, I see more of your side of
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the street on it. Because there are times and I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: didn't have any like real issues with his decisions to
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: run when he ran, Yeah, but there are just times
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: where I do I should he have stayed in the pocket?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Should he not have stayed in the pocket?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like it's hard to tell uh.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Down in and down out, like if he's doing if
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it's right, you know, if it's smart for him to
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: do these things.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: This is this is the line I always use with
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Setch Allen. It's not sustainable, doesn't mean it's not working
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: in the moment, but you worry. And there may be
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: some games were like background football is what works and great,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: but you can't always rely on that being there. For
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a number of reasons. You can't. It needs to be
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I need to do in structure,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and if I have to bail out and do it
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: myself like that options on the table. It can't be
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the other way around. Yeah, that's an unsustainable way to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: play football. And I'm not saying Drake May's there, but
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: you mentioned like seeing the Josh Allen love it. That's
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: kind of always been my point with him, and they've
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: gotten better about it the last couple of years. They
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: were best at it with Brian day ball.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: But like I would say, with the biggest difference, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: look at some of it is that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: He's also a rookie too, like he's got to see
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a lot more.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: But some of it against Jacksonville is that guys dropped
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: interceptions right right. But Josh Allen always had a turnover problem,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: like that was that was really the big thing with him,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: was that the recklessness was leading to turnovers and at
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: least so far, and again some of it's drop kicks
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: and luck and all that kind of.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Stuff, but at least so far. Uh.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: And I know he turned the ball over a little
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: bit in his first game, but the last two games
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: he has not been.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: The other thing with Alan for me and I can't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I can't believe we're doing the Josh like I apologize
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: people who've heard this a thousand times, so I guess
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it's new context. The other thing for Alan with me,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and some of this is not necessarily on him, it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: on the team's approach. Yeah, playing that way, you get
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: beat up, you get hit, and he's I don't want
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to say he's never suffered a concussion like we don't,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: but like he hasn't had that like injury that's cost
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: him time. But every year you get to the end
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of the year and it's his elbow, or it's his shoulder,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: or it's his ankle, right, and it adds up. And
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that's why that's another reason why it's not even turnovers.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: You go to that well too often when you're running
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: around outside the pocket, when you're actually taking off and scrambling,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you are gonna get hits. Now, May has shown a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: willingness to slide. He needs a slide sooner, but he's
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: shown a willingness side. Alan takes on every tackler that
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: comes his way, and that May doesn't seem to have
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: that problem. That was more of a Jayden Daniel's problem.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: When we got back, I have like a little defense
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: of so he breaks like a tackle right and then
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: about I think it's like eight or nine yards down
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the field. So he breaks the tackle and he's like
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: stumbling off balance. So like as much as you want
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: him to slide sooner, like he's not. He doesn't have
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: his feature.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But this is my well one, so do you My
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: point is, though, is that if you wanted him to slide,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: then he would have slided before the initial content slider
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you can just go down and keep yourself up like
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you can.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But like I don't as an athlete, like I don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: think that it was that he was fighting for every
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: single yard. I think he was trying to like get
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: his balance.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So and even within that again, like if you play
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: this way, these things are gonna happen. Yeah, And that's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that's where I get concerned with being becoming too reliant
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: on it is these kind of players are gonna happen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And look, I know we did this whole thing when
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: when it was started or not about like, yes, it's football,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: guys get hurt. Yeah, all that, there is a balance
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of risk reward and you do want to limit it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And do you like there's gonna be a handful of
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: those plays every game? How many you're Okay, two or three, Yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you can probably even go up from there. We're gonna
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: start talking like eight to ten of those plays a game.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Now you're probably talking under nenecessary risks unless we're talking
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: about like the super Bowl and what is the happy medium?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is what I've always bashed the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Bills for is that they think there's just this do
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a bit day. Well know because
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: now I'm on the other side of it, and I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: just because people, oh, you're a Bills hater. No, I'll
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: say the same thing about the Patriots. John. Is there
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: an equilibrium where you do it enough that it's impactful,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: but you don't do it too much where it becomes reckless.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: So we've sort of talked about this enough that I
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: feel like I have narrowed down my take on it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: What I didn't love about this game was that he
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: this was early and often that he was taking off
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: running right like this was rose quarter, right out of
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the shoot if it I would like to see him
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: save these things for those gotta have it moments like
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter they need to drive and look the touchdown
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: run that he had on Sunday against the Jets. To me,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: that's in a little bit of a different category because
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: like he just sees the end zone.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think he's gonna get lit up in
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: this issue.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Good to say it, right, But what I'm talking about
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: is between the twenties, you know, taking off unless you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: really see the sea's part and you have like forty
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: yards of green grass in front of you, and obviously
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm all for taking the that uh that
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: those yards, But what I think both of us would
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: like to see is it's fourth down or it's it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, two minute drive, game on the line.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: The only way that you're.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Gonna convert this third down is if he takes off
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: or if he makes an eye of structure play or
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: something like that. But the rest of the game, for
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: the most part, he's playing within himself. Ironically, think that's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: where they need to get him to.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: So ironically, I'm talking about to drive Jacoby Brissett let
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day. That's basically and he
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: had the one play where he ran and it was
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a good run, nice little scoot there from Jacoby Brissett,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: But besides that, it was you know, back foot or
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: defender at your legs, balls out Kishan, but he makes
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a great catch. But yeah, that's yeah. Honestly, like that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: last drive from Jakoba, the heck of the dry that
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: is not a bad blueprint.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It's very conflicting for me because I love watching it,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Like I look, I'm infatuated by guys that can do
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: what Drake can do. I think, especially because I know
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: when the scheme doesn't work or the receivers don't do
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: their jobs and they don't get open, like to have
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: that quarterback that has a left hand like that can
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: just okay, there's really nothing here on this play, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it's not a dead play with Drake may it's a
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: seventeen yard touchdown, or it's a thirty yard dump off
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry off script or like whatever the case
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: may be. The amount of like margin for error, like
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the way that that increases like almost like your expected
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: points is like just insane because it adds so much
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to what you're just doing schematically. Like it's one thing
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to just have a quarterback that can go out there
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and hit the layups and like move the offense that way.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: When you have a quarterback that's a true playmaker, at
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: the position. Ye, it's so much easier for everybody involved,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: including the play call.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: There's there's there's some that comes with that too that
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: makes it tougher to manage, I guess, which is what
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you're learning watching him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Tough to manage for him, Like he's obviously has to
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: stay healthy, right, and and that's that's number one thing
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: with any quarterback. And h it did cross my mind
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: across all of our minds sitting there watching the game,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: like god, dang it, like now he's freaking hurt, like right,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Like you know, you're two games into this thing, two
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: plus games he's played great, well watch and then he
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: gets hurt.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Like you talk about how Patriots fans are gonna have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to learn to watch a different style of quarter Yeah, right,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: it's a big thing and brat like obviously Matt Jones,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady very different skill set, but the prototype is
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the same. Yeah, And I think there's always been this
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: expectation to way the quarterback stays healthy. Right, that's just
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: because Brak was always because he was never really in
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: harm's way. This is not the first time Drake May
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: is gonna get banged up. Oh no, it's not. It's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: not the last time, not even the first time this
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: year he was on the injury reportment. That's right, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like there there might be times Josh Allen's kind of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: an anomaly in this like the guys that play that way
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: when Patrick Mahomes, I guess, but like.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference and this is you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: this is well down the road and probably like not
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that important right now, but the better comparison is and
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: he obviously ran a lot by design, but Cam Newton
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: his career was shortened because the body blows that he took,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: like eventually, he was not a guy that played twenty
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: years at the position like Brady, like Manning, Like I'm
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: assuming Mahomes is probably gonna make it pretty far because
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you know, those guys have made it this far because
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: they weren't running all the time like Cam Newton was.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen is an interesting second litmus test of that
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: to a degree, like is he going to have a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: twenty year He should based off of the way the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: rules are now and everything you can't touch the quarterback,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: he should have a twenty year career. But if he
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: keeps playing the way that he plays, will he And
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: same goes for Drake May. Now, I know we're putting
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the car before the horse a little bit because they
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: he hasn't proven that he can have a five year career,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: let alone a twenty year career just yet. But I
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: think where all of us see that he's gonna be
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: pretty good. We think, and now you're starting to talk
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: about longevity not only over the course of a season,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: but over the course of his career as well. So
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I don't want to make a too big a deal
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: out of it. That makes it sound a lot more
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of a big deal than it probably is. But it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: an important point and it was something that I was
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: actually going to bring up even before Van Pelt spoke
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: this morning, because that I told you I had four
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: plus plays for him in this game. Three of them
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: were out of structure. They had one plus throw from
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the pocket, you know from that instructor on script type
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: of throw.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only sixteen place dropbacks, eighteen plays, ten dropbacks.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: All right, So moving on from that, and if you
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: want to weigh in on that, of course, eight five
• 27:37
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• 27:40
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• 27:43
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• 27:48
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• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and we'll get to you guys here in a second.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: But I do want to talk a little bit about
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: this game outside of the eighteen plays that Drake May played.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So we've done the Drake May of it all. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: want to talk about the response. And I get it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: They won the game, so you're gonna get well, they
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: responded to their coach and they were the soft comments,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: and you know, they bounced back and the resilience, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I really do believe that they showed great mental toughness
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: in this game. They had all the reason in the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: world for the week that they had off the field,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: They had all the reason in the world to let
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: go of the rope. They lose their starting core or
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: back a quarter into the game, that's another reason to
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: let go of the rope. And they didn't, and did
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Jegoi Brissett's credit. He was a big part of that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: He came in and he made sure that they stayed
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: on the tracks and they stayed pulling in the same direction.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: That to me though, is different than well, now they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: not soft anymore. You know what I mean, like it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: it's a different They're not mentally soft, maybe, but I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: want to go over some of the things that I
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: saw in this game that suggests that in terms of physically,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: like they didn't necessarily respond. You know, I'm trying to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: get at like mentally, I give him a lot of credit.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: They still didn't cover kicks well, forty yard punt return happens.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: They still couldn't run the ball a lick in this game.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah thin, it was like two point two yards per
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: carry outside of May and.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, couldn't run the ball at all. I have
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: some stats on that we'll get to. And they stopped
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the interior run game from the Jets. The Jets still
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: carved him up on the edges in this game in
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the run game, So they stop the run, run the ball,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: cover kicks, toughness mantra. Uh, they really didn't check very
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: many of those boxes, if we're gonna be honest. But
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I do have some things that I think that they
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: did better in this game. But I just want to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: hear your take on that whole thing. And I have
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: some numbers, like I said that I want to read off.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But you know, I felt like it was a response,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily think it was responding to the
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: thing that people thought it was.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense. Look, it's it's definitely a response,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and I think that the message got through. You know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: you mentioned some of the stuff in the game. Was
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it the toughest football game I've ever seen played? Certainly not.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think they were tougher than they've been the last
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: few weeks. But you can't. So Gerdmeo pressed that button right,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: He went out and you know, said in the media
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the team was soft, and he'd set it behind closed doors,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: went out, said it in the media, like that button's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: been pressed, right, Yeah, that that's been said, and you
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: our response, well, now does it continue? Right, Because if
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna respond for one game and go back to it,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that doesn't really mean anything. He can't call them soft
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: media every week. He could, but eventually it's gonna lose,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it's gonna look weird, it's gonna lose his power all that. So,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you know, to get that buy in for one game
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: from the coaching staff is good, but you gotta be
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: able to sustain it. If you're this coaching staff and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: you've got to now build towards that just being the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: level and that's my thing. Like it's a good first
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: step towards digging out of what ailed them the previous
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: few weeks. It's a good first step. But if that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: as far as they're gonna go, no, the coaching staff
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: needs to continue to push, uh, because I don't think
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that that identity is fully set yet.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll get to their flowers in the second,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I promise. I know they won the game, and I'm gonna.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Come ups and downs or are we just doing big pictures?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: A big picture for us. I have my ups and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: downs and then we're gonna do ups and downs to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: actually do it. Of course, because they got a new phone.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they went in the new phone.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Of course you didn't have it. You didn't do it,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: they did.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: No, I have him, I have them. I did it,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: but I did it before I got the new phone.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, loving this new pid. All I hear about, like
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: five years, all I hear about is how he has
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: a new phone.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: One. Look at this one does this? It does that?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Like you're like a kid on Christmas that that gets
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: a new PlayStation. Oh my god, look a you're you're
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you're all too old for.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Toys, all right, never too Olterra toys, never two Altra toys.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: You're never too old Candy, Happy Halloween.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Alex Bars mission statement. There you go, all right, so quickly,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and then I do want to give them, give them
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: some flowers, all right, because I have some positive things
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to say to the Patriots rushing attack, their rush offense.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: You're ready for this stat? Hit me minus thirty one
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: yards before contact? Would they finish with minus thirty one?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And that is by the running backs, just the running bait.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So that doesn't include Drake may like getting hit and scrambling. Correct,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: minus thirty one. I hadn't seen that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Wow, So minus thirty one yards before contact. So that
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: means that they're going backwards. Okay, And to his credit,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Ramandre Stevenson broke seven tackles in this game and just
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Putting the team on backwards. Doesn't that mean like they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: were hit behind the line of Yeah, So.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Minus thirty one yards before contact in this game. That
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: is the lowest number of the season outside of one game,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the second lowest number of the season for the entire
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: NFL league through eight weeks that the Titans against the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Dolphins the Titans had the lower that they had.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Well, do you remember after week two there was that
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: stat that went around that Ramondre scenes that he probably
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: did again had more yards after contact than total yards.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Sure did.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: He had fifty nine yards after contact, he had forty
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: eight total yards.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: So they still can't run the ball at all offensively,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: that that's a big problem. Okay, Defensively, run the ball,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: stop the run cover kicks, right, those are the those
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: are the three bucks, hits, three boxes. Defensively on runs
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: outside the tackles, not runs on the interior, runs on
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the outside outside the tackles. The Jets had eighty four
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: yards on sixteen carries. That's five point three yards per carry.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: So they came into this game, the Jets, and to
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: their credit, they had some game plan plays. It seemed
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: like early on out of their two back sets, a
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: couple of the tosses outside to breassee Hall that worked.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But they still for the most part pretty much gashed
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the Patriots on the outside run game.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So we have not run the ball.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: We have only stopped half the runs, right, we stopped
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: half the runs, and then on special teams they gave
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: up another forty yard punt return in this game. So
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: when I say that this wasn't a soft response, this
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was a better version of the football that they've been playing.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about, and those are the numbers
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to back it up. So as much as I want
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: to give them their flowers, I don't think they won
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: this game because the coach called us soft and we're
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: going to show him right Like, I don't feel that way.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like they did some things better that they
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: were already doing right and that was the big thing.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: So on the positive side, I do think this coaching
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: staff deserves some credit for some things that they've done. Mainly,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I would say the number one thing that has improved
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: for this entire Patriots team right now over the last
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks is pass protection. They have gotten much
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: much better. It is basically stabilized in the pass protection
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: going on almost a month now of football game. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I'll give you the stats. Last week. They allowed a
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: thirty point six pressure rate in Week eight. Yep, that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: pretty good. Right around thirty percent is where you want
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I've talked about a lot. You've heard me use the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: word baseline, right, It's yeah, solid.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: In the first five weeks of this season, they were
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: allowing a league worst pressure rate of forty six percent.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: What is that off? Is that PFF next Gen? I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: thought next Gen had them, somebody had them at fifty.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: They were like it, exactly fifty. Oh, we are not
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: getting bogged down by which so no, you know it
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: was Brissette's last start was fifty. It was the exact game.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Forty six percent. That's too high. Either way, it's too high.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: So almost half the dropbacks are getting pressured in the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: first five weeks two and the last three games they're
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: down to thirty five percent. So that's an eleven percent
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: UH improvement, which is significant significant. So they've gotten a
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: lot better in pass protection. I would say that the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: biggest thing that they've improved is free runners to the quarterback.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: You don't see guys coming through the a's and the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: b gaps as often. UH free and and cart blaunched
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the quarterback. H Vederian Lowe when he's been healthy, has
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: been solid. At left tackle. Ben Brown has been fine.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to get too jazzed up
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: about Ben Brown, but where he's come from, and you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: getting him off a practice squad and bringing him in
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: here and you know, thrusting him into starting duties and
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: all that more than okay. Right for the circumstance, I
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: think Trey Jacobs has been okay wherever they've put him
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks. So those three guys
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: have really stepped up and they've gotten a lot better.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Their continuity has gotten a lot better, and they are
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: giving this passing game a chance. And now that I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: see some protection and some time for these places to develop,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you're starting to see some of the passing designs and
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: concepts that they're running. From a schematic perspective, you're starting
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to see the method to the madness, right, Yeah, You're
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: starting to see some open receivers. You're starting to see
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Van Pelt scheme up some stuff and cook up some things,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're like, Okay, I can
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: see what they're doing. You know, they're high low in
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: this guy, they're reading off that guy there. You know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the basic game winning throw to Kaysehan Booty. Uh, it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a it's a all out pressure cover zero check five
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: per set and they have the two incuts and then
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: they have the deep post and if the safety comes
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: down on the incut, He's gonna throw the post and
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: vice versa. The safety stays back, I'll throw the incut.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Like you can start to see the uh, the schematic
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like taking hold right, the scheme, taking hold of like
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: what coverage defenders they're trying to conflict and all that
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So I know that's all like pretty,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: you know, dense, But my point is is that it's
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: all it's working hand in hand that the pass protection
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: has improved. So now all of a sudden, I'm starting
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: to see Alex van Pelt come out right like and
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this is what I can give van
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Pelt credit for for what they're doing. So their their
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: route combinations are suddenly working again, right, and and that's
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: great to see. So this whole passing game looks a
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: lot better, and I think it starts up front.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the continuity. I know people have said,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: well it got better with Drake May to kide to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: this stat and it's a good one. So the pressure
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: rate on May last week was thirty percent. With Persette
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: it was thirty point eight, so nearly identical. Yeah, I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: just think you last week was the same time they
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: put the same unit out twice, Yeah, and that means
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: something like that matters. These guys get used to playing
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: with each other. We were talking about this earlier. I'd
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: stick with this group. I would not touch this group
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: as it exists right now. Leyden Robinson's gonna come back. Great.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Let them watch, Let them watch. I think you have
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: what it's low low, Jorge Jordan Browrown to Winn Jacobs.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Let it ride. Let it ride until they give you
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a reason not to. Because you're actually building some continuity
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: now and that can help, and that's gonna impact. Like
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the free Rushers thing, guys know where to be. They're
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: getting understanding of how the guys on their left and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: their right play and it it makes it easier. So
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I think that they have kind of found a best
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: five yeah, and are letting them work together. That that's important.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: That makes a difference. And you're seeing that lay out
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: in real time, Yeah, you are.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: And you know it's a bummer because the play got
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: wiped out by a holding penalty on Michael Jordan. That
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: was like borderline, but for the first time maybe all season.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: The explosive that they ran the Hunter Henry that got
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: called back because of the penalty. That was one of
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: the first times all season where I was like, Holy hell,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: is at a good scheme right? Like dang, So you
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: know they're running spot concept, so flat little curl inside
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: like an inside hitch, and with the usually it's pair
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: with like a corner post, right, it kind of can
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: break it either way depending on the coverage. And so
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Henry fakes like he's gonna sit in between the zone
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and then like spins out of it and just wheels
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: out of it up the sideline, and it's just a
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: great counter to the spot concept. But it only works
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: if they have some time in the pocket for it
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: to matriculate down the field. Otherwise you're not gonna be
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: able to run what's essentially like a double move by
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry. You're not gonna have time to do it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Now had to avoid pressure and then throw the football.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: But the general point I'm getting at is that when
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you have time in the pocket, shocker, you actually are
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: able to run some things in the passing game that
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you might not be able to run before. And it's
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: been good to see that because now I feel like
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I can really start to properly evaluate Alex Van pelt
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: As a schemer in the passing game, whereas the first
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: you know, four or five weeks of the season, it
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: felt difficult to do that at times because of how
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: bad the pass pro was. And I also give kudos
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: to Scott Peters, Coogler's Peters, those guys. They're doing a
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: really good job too of getting these guys ready to
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: play and taking these scrap heap guys that Elliot Wolf
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: has gotten for him and turning Ben Brown into a
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: competent center and Trey Jacobs into a competent tackle, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: you know, so on and so forth. That's not easy
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: to do and they've been able to do it. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: credit to Peters as well as a VP to that department.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: That's kind of one big picture take I have on
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: this season as a whole is that. And this was
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: on so your take at the beginning of the year
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: was like trusting Scott Peters strike system, baby, Like, not
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that the line's been great, but when you look at
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what they've been given, like you said, there's a new
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: guy coming in off the street. It feels like almost
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: every week and every week we're saying like it's not great,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: but it probably could have been worse. It probably should
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: have been worse. Imagine this offensive line staff when they
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: get like five, you know, high caliber players that are
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: out there every single week and can work together. Right,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you're just scratching the surface. So one thing I will
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: say is I feel very good about Scott Peters through
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the first eight weeks. I'm actually very encouraging his staff
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: by extension. Yeah, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: from Scott Peters through the first eight weeks.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, their system works. We know it works because
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: it worked in Cleveland. So like what they're teaching their tenants,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: their fundamentals, their scheme.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Clearly it works.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: You just have to have the right guys to be
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: able to execute it. You have to have the personnel
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to be able to execute it. So that's why I
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: at the beginning was maybe a little bit you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: bullish on Scott Peters, was because I've seen this scheme,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: this Bill Callahan scheme we will talk about later take
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: hold and work in other places. So it's not the scheme,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: it's not the coaching, it's not the fundamentals, it's not
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: the tenants of the scheme. You just have to get
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the right guys in here that can actually go out
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: there and execute it. And when I asked Van Pelt
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: about it this morning, that's sort of what he was
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: mentioning was, you know, we've been able to build and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: now we have eight weeks of games and eight weeks
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: of practices and drills and reps and reps and reps
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: and reps, and it's starting to settle down a little bit,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: which is good to see. All Right, Moving on to
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: the other side of the ball. I have two bouquets
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to give to the defense, all right. The first one
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I've been clamoring for it for weeks. I'm glad that
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: we're finally coming to this point in time with this
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: defense a forty eight percent man coverage rate in this
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: game against the Jets. Right, you go out there and
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: play man to man. You have the guys to do it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: You have Christian Gonzalez who can take any number one
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: receiver in the league and go to toe to toe
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: with that guy for four quarters. We've seen him do
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: that weekend and week out, going all the way back
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: to his rookie season. Although he got picked on a
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: little bit in this game. I think both Joneses can
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: cover pretty well in Manta. Man, you have the guys
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: dugger mapu. You know, if you want to go man
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: to man on a tight end, you have that capability
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: to do that as well. This defense needs to play
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: more manton man. They need to play more mant to man.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: They need to play more post safety to get that
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: extra hat in the box, whether it's to stop the run,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: it's to blitz the quarterback, whatever the case may be.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: That's what they were able to do this week. Like
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I said, Marcus Jones got picked on a little bit
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: in this game, but on the whole, it did its job.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: And they had some really really good third down reps
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: in this game, kind of matching coverage right like cutting
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: off crossing routes and switching and bracketing guys if you
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: want to call it that. So they had some really
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: high level, I thought coverage reps in this game third
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: down right around the fifty yard line. Early red zone rep.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Christian Elysis sack was a big play in the game.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Really good bracket call there on Adams and Wilson. So
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: these are the types of things that you have seen
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the Belichick defenses do in the past that are kind
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: of like you know, PhD level coverages that they're now
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: starting to be able to be able to execute in
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: the back end. So some of that stuff we saw
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: earlier on in the year, like the Mad zones and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the Baltimore stuff that they were trying to implement, we're
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: starting to see that phase out a little bit week
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: by week, and we're starting to see a lot more
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: of those Belichick era stuff, you know, cover seven one
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: cross that kind of thing, which I think is a
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: good sign.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think specifically that man coverage, and you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: is the pass rush continues to struggle, they're going to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have to cover longer playing and simple so it's a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: little bit you know, man gives them some advantage. And yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I'd say it's pretty good.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I just good to Covington and that staff because I thought,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you know, you can call it simplifying if you want
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to call it simplifying.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with simplifying if it works right it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Just as Devon Gotshaw perfectly put it, after the game,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: stop all the cute shit, right, like, stop doing all
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: of the like, oh we can we're gonna drop this guy,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna rush that guy, and we're gonna spin
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: it this way and we're matching zones and things like
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: stop it, stop it. Just our guys against your guys.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I thought they did it on the interior run defense
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: as well, which is the other flower bouquet. I wanted
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to toss to them. Yeah on Uh, well, I got
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: the numbers two point three yards per carry on runs
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: between the tacks. Dietrich Wise I thought was really good
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: in this game. Jeremiah Farms kind of got it started
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: with a nice run stuff early. Uh Tavay and Christian
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Ellis were much better in this game against the run.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I thought, Uh Gotsha delivered.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: That fantastic line of stopping all the cute shit, But
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: he also talked about getting back to some of the
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: basic front mechanics that they've run over the years recently
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: and stopping all the cute shit, you know, all the
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: run blitzes and stunts and games and things like that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: The thing about defense in the NFL, or just in
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: football in general, if you're good enough and look, they
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: have their talent deficiencies, but relative to the opponent, if
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you're good enough line up and play it, you don't,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: especially against a guy like Aaron Rodgers. You're not gonna
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: confuse Aaron Rodgers. You're not gonna throw off air like
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: he's seen everything. Sure right, just line up and play it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Just make make a better play than the guy opposite
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of you. Sometimes you can get away with that, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: this was the perfect team to do it. And I
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: hope they keep it against Tennessee because whoever is at quarterback,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: it's two guys that haven't seen a ton of NFL football,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: So there may be more motivation to go back to
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: throwing in some more of those wrinkles and some of
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: those disguises and things like that. Ball up top, line
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: it up, play it. I think that's kind of what
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: they got to do at this point.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you look at their their schedule moving
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: forward here, and I'm not talking about, oh, they're gonna
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: go on a winning streak, and I'm not going there.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the opponents that in the offenses
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that they're gonna face. I feel like they can play
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: pretty simple defensively and stand toe to toe a little
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: bit with these teams like it might look like it
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: did on Sunday where the Jets made some place like
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, no doubt made some place. You know, Breist
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Hall had some runs. You know, I had a sixteen
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: yard run. He broke some runs off in this game
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: as well a few times.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But you know what there, it's that old Belichick like
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: they didn't want them to win with Devonte Adams. Right, yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: we're gonna go out here and make you beat us
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: left handed in if you beat like, you know, against
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Titans week, Right, Calvin Ridley's probably got you take away.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So you look at any of those other receivers on
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the Titans, you're gonna beat us throwing one of those
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: guys will tip oark out.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they have the Titans this week, who's often
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: stinks and now doesn't have DeAndre Hopkins on top of that, right,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: so their offense is terrible. There's no reason what's or
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: that Christian Gonzales shouldn't go out there and cover Calvin
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Ridley and you play it straight up, right, there's no
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: reason to reinvent the wheel. The following week I think
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: is a little bit tougher because the Bears have a
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: decent amount of weapons, but still a rookie quarterback, right,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't go out there and try too much
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: against Caleb.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll get to it. Do you play more zones?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Of eyes on the quarterback and that we'll get to that,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: get to that, we get to it. Yeah, that's a
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: little more new ones.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Then you have the Rams in Matthew Stafford, who is
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: kind of like Aaron Rodgers, like, you're not going to
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: fool Matthew Staffords a betteran quarterback. You're you've got to
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: just kind of play him straight up. And then you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: you got two in the Dolphins the following week, which
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: we've seen them be able to go out there and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: cover Tyree Hill.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: You have you evidence that you can play that team
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: straight up and be competitive.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: And just lastly, then you got the Colts with probably
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Joe Flacco right quarterback.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: So my point is is that I hope moving forward
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: that this is the brand of defense that they play.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be a top five
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: defense playing this way, but I also don't think they're
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: going to be a bottom five defense playing this way either.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I think they got a little too cute early on
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: in the season, and they wanted to try some new
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: stuff and try some you know, DeMarcus Covington, I'm sure
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I wanted to show off a little bit that he's
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: got some new schemes and he's been in the lab
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and I know hold
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: it against him, but in hindsight, it's always good to
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: go with the simple stuff and what's been working around here.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Man, I would suck if Anthony Richards is not back
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: by then I feel for the guy. There's a thread
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: on Twitter about like, the NFL doesn't have a quarterback problem,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: it has a quarterback development problem. Possible. I think it's
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: it's more than possible. You can't draft that guy and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: then be surprised when this is the like, you gotta
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: be patient with him. And that's not even the whole
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: should he play, should he sit? Debate. It's just guys
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: aren't gonna come in the league and be MVPs right away.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: CEJ Stroud is a massive anomaly. Massive anomaly even some
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: of the and I think Bill actually talked about this
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the other night. I can never keep track of which
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: show he's on. I just see the clips on Twitter,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: But on one of his shows he was talking where
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he was like, you know, they threw Sam Darnold to
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: the Wolves, didn't like what they saw, look at him. Now,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: they threw Baker Mayfield to the Wolves. Didn't like what
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: they saw looking at him. Now, like, these guys develop
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: and they get there, but you gotta show some patience.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I get it hasn't looked good with Richardson. And look
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: if they sat him because he checked himself out of
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a game, that's one thing. But that doesn't seem to
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: be the case because I think Stichen said today that
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: that Flacco was gonna start moving forward, which implies it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be more than one game. Yeah, and you know
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the same to the Patriots, Like it's looked really good
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: with Drake May through three games, two games in a quarter.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It's looked really good. Do I want it to look
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: this way the entire time? They'd be great, it'd be excellent.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Ideally a little bit better with the points, but like
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have rough patches like they're coming, and that's
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: not a knock at Drake May. Like nobody plays quarterback
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: like this consistently sure and understanding that you know, the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: first miss isn't oh no, he's actually a bust. It
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: was just they didn't have film on a play. No,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you just gotta be patient. It takes a few years.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: It takes a few years for these guys to really
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: develop and round out.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's do three up, three down. You have your
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: your list? Did you have your list? It didn't get lost?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: And you have a shiny new phone.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. It's very like high Definitely, you have
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a new phone. Now you like it? I like it
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit. All right, you get a new phone
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and you tell me if you like, here's your number
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: one up And everyone else with Cob said me too,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: because just not even for what he did on the field,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: like he was good. You know, you saw some of
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: those issues come back that we saw the first five weeks,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: but he made some plays as well. I think the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: big thing was he wasn't sped up. Yeah, it looked
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: more like the guy we saw weeks one and two
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: than say, weeks four and five. But this is a
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: guy that you know, nobody wants to lose their job, obviously.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I think the way in which he lost it bothered
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: him more than usual. I understand that. And you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: struggling team, he's not a part of the future here
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the kids and the kids playing well. He had every
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: reason in the world to check out. And that's a
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: guy that stayed. What I saw on Sunday was a
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: guy that stayed ready, a guy that stayed prepared, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: a guy that that came to play and again not
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: easy to do, Like, not everybody has the mental makeup
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: to do that. So you talk about what makes a
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: good backup quarterback, it's not just what you do on
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the field as a quarterback. There's a certain mentality that
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: comes with being a backup quarterback. And I think jakobra
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Set showed it and he deserves credit for that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I echo everything that you just said.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I'll just add to it. You know, we've had cameras
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: on the sideline every week this year. They our video
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: team does a great job with the micd ups. Go
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: watch the micd ups of some of the offensive players
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: that we had Pop Douglas in Drake's debut, for example,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: and a number one fan on the sideline when the
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Patriots offense scores, Jacoby Brisset, like always off the bench,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: always cheering, going right off to Drake May and giving,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: you know, Drake May some love for his play. Like
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I really, he deserves a ton of credit for how
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: he's handled this situation as a professional and how he
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: was ready to go into this game and play. This
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: is I believe his best game of the year. I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: think this was better than Cincinnati Week one. I had
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: him with seven plus plays in this game, three of
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: them on the game winning touchdown. I thought the drive
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: starter to Hunter Henry was a pretty good ball. Put
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: it just in the perfect spot, you know, up on
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the shelf for Henry to go out and box out
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the defender there and make that catch. You mentioned the
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: scramble early on in the show. That was a really
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: good scramble on third down to pick up the first
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: down there. And then obviously the throw to Booty where
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: he checks into a cover zero beater and gets him
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: into the right play and then makes a really good
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: throw under pressure. Kudos to him like that. Whether you
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: want to talk about it the way you talked about it,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: which I thought was great, yeah, or if you want
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: to talk about it from an actually going throw to
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: throw and seeing how he played in this game, I
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: can't complain about anything. You know, he played really, really well,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: and frankly, it didn't start off too hot. Like first
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: third down of the game, he threw short of the
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: sticks and I was like, here we go. Right, takes
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: a bad sack, I thought in this game as well,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, well, these are some
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: of the reasons why he got benched. But in the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: second half, especially that fourth quarter, he really showed up
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and showed out he game enough.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: And that's what you gotta do, is back up quarterback.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Just give your team a chance. Right, nobody's expecting you
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: to go out and win the game yourself, but just
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: be somebody who can give your team a chance and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: keep your team in the game. And he did that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: He certainly did that. Yep. Number two Christian Ellis, Yeah,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: christianelle Better was all over the field in this game,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: once again led the team of tackles. He had a sack.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Just seems like he might be a find. Yeah, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I know that he's your I don't know that he's
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: your starting middle linebacker moving forward for the next ten years,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: but could be a Matt mac wilson third down roune. Yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: gives you, gives you a little athleticism at that position,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: gives you something on special teams as well. And we
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: talked a lot with Bill about the middle of the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: roster guys, right, really good middle of the roster kind
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: of guy where he's not going to be a superstar.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: But he'll he'll contribute and he'll sneaky when you game
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: here or there, Like he had a big time performance
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: on Sunday and he continues to build and it's been
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: encouraging a few weeks for him.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure we'll talk maybe a little bit
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: about the rest in a second. But the DPI call
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: to me was tough, like he's he's on a wheel
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: route against the running back and Aaron Rodgers just like
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: short arms the throw and the running back like acts
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: like he's tried like he should, like that's.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: What your coach to do. It was an old Joe Flaccos. Yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was, like I don't even know the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: running back was like out of bounds like it just
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: to me, it was a it was a tough call.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: My number two up it was Hunter Henry. I think
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: under Henry's outstanding, Like I just think he's a.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Really good football player. Henry.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, makes a play on third down
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: from Drake May early on in this game, makes the
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: play to get the drive started in the two minute
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: drill to win the game.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: That's a tough catch.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You know, he's got a guy draped all over him,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: goes up, makes a tough catch to get that drive going.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: His run blocking in this game was really really good.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: He kind of saved the bacon of the Patriots on
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: the game winner.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Like not the first time he's done that either.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of saved the day. Him and Michael
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Jordan saved the day. I have it right up about that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting scheme wise, but he kind of
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: saved the Patriots bacon on that goal line run by
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Ramandre Stevenson. He's just an outstanding football player, Like, really
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: reliable guy for the quarterback. Really good feel too, of
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: like getting open off script. He's done that multiple weeks
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: in a row with both quarterbacks, Like it doesn't really
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: seem to matter when those guys break contain and they
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: get out and outside the pocket, like it always seems
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: like eighty five is somewhere in a good spot available
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: to them. I just think that he's been one of
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: their most consistent best football players and he deserves some love.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had one more ID for Christian Zalez yeap
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: opposite Devonte Adams, great receiver, didn't allow it catch. Yeah,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I mean he was excellent. He was just right there's
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: not much more to say. Like, he was right on
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: his hip. He's right on him the whole game. So
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I had him as well, Gonzalez as my number three
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: up twenty three routes against DeVante Adams. He did give
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: up one catch for sixteen yards, but it was the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: last play of the game, so if you want to count,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I might. I might have checked that number before the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: last playoff. Yeah, last play of the game. That was
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: caught in bounds and ended the game, all right, So
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: he gave up he gave up no catches a consequence, Yeah,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: exactly fine.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I had a pass breakup on his slant and had
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: the worst DPI call of all time.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: So so that call was horrible. I don't think that
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: many people saw this. Two plays before on the cross
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: run first down, he clearly held yeah, Devonte ad like
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: you can see him get the T shirt the undershirt.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I think that was a makeup call. A brutal call.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Brutal call. Let me put it this way. I have
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: to believe that's a makeup call because otherwise I'm not
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: going to be able to live with it. Like that
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: was such a brutal call, it has to be a
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: makeup call. It can't be anything else because they did
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: miss a clear hold. If you go back and watch
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: two plays, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: it's possible. But even still, makeup calls aren't supposed to
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: be that egregious. I just I'm add in contact. Yeah,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: so away from the ball.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Uh, I only counted like two or three times where
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I thought Adams was maybe open. Be Gonzalez got beat
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: on one, and both of them were non consequential, like
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: one of them was like a little underslant type of
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: route that maybe he would have been like a eight
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: or nine yard game.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: He was with Adams for four quarters in this game.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: They're still looking for DeVante Adams. That's what I heard.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: He is a missing person. So Christian Gonzalez number three
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: up erased him from the game.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Yep, good stuff. You got anything else, I'll throw like
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: a half up. Jilani Tava had one really nice run stuff. Yep,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: it's been rough for him. I think he needed that one. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I think he needed to make a play. We'll see
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: if if he keeps the He he had his issues
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: in this game as well, but he gets like a
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: one play up for me because it was it was
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: in the third quarter, right, he like reads it so well,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: shoots the gap, gets in before the lineman can can
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: get in the way of the hole, and just brings
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: down the runner in the backfield. So he need he
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: needs to be make more plays like that, But he
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: made one. So I had.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I had outside the box one too as well. Okay,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: So I had Kean White for the last three quarters
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: of the game, not that, not the first quarter. All right,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: take the first quarter out last three quarters.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I feel I did one play. You at least did
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: forty five minutes. Yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: So in the first quarter, I had Kean White with
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: two blown edges, one blown edge just straight up and
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: then one blone edge where Jeremy Rucker, the third tight
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: end for the Jets, pancakes him on a run outside
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the numbers, and I was shocked. I was like, he's
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty five pounds. This guy should not
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: be ending up on the ground.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Rutgers not blocking tight end.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable. So he gets pancaked and I'm like, oh God,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: like here we go. Then, over the last three quarters
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: of the game, I had him with two run stuffs
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: and four quarterback pressures.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: In this game, and he was kind of a maniac.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: He had the one everywhere he got Rogers good. Yeah
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: on one of those yeah quarterback hit on the stunt.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: So I thought he really leveled off in this game
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: after a kind of a rocky start and was able
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: to pull out of it. And I had some really
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: good plays in this game. I talked to him about
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: it yesterday and you know, look, he said, still a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: young player, and for him, he feels like he has
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: to get into the game first, like kind of see
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: what they're doing to me, how they're blocking me, how
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: they're trying to run the ball. That day, and he
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: said that, you know, he needs to start better, like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: he's still a little inconsistent and he needs to have
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: better starts. But he ended well and I thought he
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: was kind of a force in the second half of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: this game.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: So there you go. Moving over to the downs. Number one,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: every receiver not named Pop Douglas, Yeah, I had all receivers.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I get Kishan Boodiet the one catch, but yeah, still
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: had a couple drops. And this has been building drop rate.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: So on this show, we don't believe in using and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like I can speak for years. You've had
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: this conversation. We don't believe in using individual drop numbers
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: as a barometer because if you go and look generally,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: if you just look at most drops, the list looks
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: very similar to most targets. Like Julie Edelman used to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: be among the league leaders and drops every year, but
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: his drop rate, like percentage of targets that end up
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: in drops or percentage of yeah targets that end up
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: in drops, was usually bout league average, maybe a little
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: bit higher about league average. Drop rate is the number
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: you want to use because teams that even if a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: team throws the ball less, you get a better picture
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of it. Drop rate in the month of October by
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: team in the NFL number one, the Miami Dolphins nine
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: point nine. That might be quarterback play and might be
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: quarterback Tyreek Hills always had a drop problem. Yeah, like sneaky.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because he's so good, but he sneaks
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: had drop problem, and he also has eighty yard touchdown problem,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: right exactly, So you let it go. Uh yeah, these
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: guys start catching eighty yard touchdowns every week, they can
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: drop like this because the Patriots are second eight point
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: seven percent. Then just to see how that number stacks up.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: The Texans were third eight point three, the Saints and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Chargers both eight point two, and then you have a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: big drop after the top five. You go to the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Seahawks at seven percent. Yeah. So, but a lot of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: those drops are coming on third downs, on passes past
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: the sticks, both right, in some cases both just like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: high leverage drops, right, these drops aren't And I need
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: to go back through I haven't done yet and like
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: find the individual drops and find like the situations. But
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: it's clear watching it, like, yeah, they're not just killing
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: individual plays, they're killing drives and you're gonna start losing
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the trust of the quarterback. You gotta catch the ball.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Guys getting open now, guys are getting open. Jaylen Poll
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: talk about all his issues with catching the ball. Fine,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: he's been getting open. Kasehan Boody was getting open when
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: he was dropping the passes. So like Kenrick Porn Kendrick Born,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: so close, so close, right, But you gotta catch football.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: You gotta catch the football, and you don't want it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: to become Catching the football is as much mental as
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: it is anything else. You start thinking about having to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: catch it, you're gonna start running sloppier routes or losing
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: track of where defenders are like that, catching it should
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: be second nature, should be muscle memory. When you start
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: dropping the ball, though, you worry about it becoming a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: mental thing and creeping into your head.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, I had them with four drops in this game.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Just what did you count the tae kwon one as drop?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but just to be clear, I don't count every
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: throw that hits a receiver in the hands a drop.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Like I don't count the taekwon. To me, there's a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: difference between a drop and a ball you should catch. Okay,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: it's fair. If there's contact from the defender, it's not
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: a drop. Yeah, because that's another variable. Yeah, that doesn't
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: mean Taekwon shouldn't have caught that he could. But when
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I look at that's that's how I did. Like, I'll
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: knock that play. It's a bad play by Taekwon Thornton.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't consider it. I think drop gets overused.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. So I had Kaishan Boudi with two. Yeah,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: so one of them was on the in cut on
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: third down, the last throw of the game for Drake
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: that hit him right in the chest that he needs
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: to catch yep. The other one, he was running like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: a slant against zone coverage and Jacoby thought he was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: gonna sit or settle in the zone, and he kept
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: running so the ball ended up behind him. So I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: put that on the receiver. That's a drop, it's a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: bad route, whatever you want.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: To call it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: And then I had one each for Bourn and for Taekwon,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: so Bourn also dropped, and in cut on third day.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: One had a that was a clear drop.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I don't think that he'll mind that I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: share this story. But when we were in the locker
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: room earlier, Kendrick Bourne had like fifty pairs of receiver
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: gloves in his locker and he's like going through all
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: the receiver gloves and so I asked him. I was like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: what's up with all the gloves and he was like, well,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I can't catch, so I'm trying to find the right gloves.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I get it, dude. Julian Edelman
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: used to have boxes and boxes and boxes of cutters
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: in his locker.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're working on it, is my point, Like,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: I know that's it was kind of funny, but it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: was also I'm also just being sincere like I think
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: that they know it's a problem, but that whole receiver room. Look,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: let's face it, Uh, they they got to get their
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: house in order, like in always right in all ways.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: And I would also put in this category. And I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: don't need them to force feed to Mario Douglas like
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: this does not need to be uh, you know, he's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: peak Randy Moss. We have to get him his ten
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: targets a game, but they need to do a better
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: job of getting him involved.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: I do think teams are starting to focus more on
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: him in coverage.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they are, especially when they play man
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: to man. Yeah, but in general, I just think that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: there's ways to get him the football. And you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I look at I was watching the Lions Titans game
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: obvious for obvious reasons because week coming up, and the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: way that the Lions and Ben Johnson use pre snap
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: motion to get Kleif Raymond and Amhras Saint Brown off
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Like, I don't understand why Pop
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Douglas isn't doing that every single week, right, Like motion
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: across the formation, snap the ball, let him go at
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: a rolling start, and then he runs like an in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: cut or something off of it, like you can't cover that,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: like if you're in Manton man and pop Douglas is
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: running full speed at you like that, and then he
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: makes a move at the top of the route like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: you're not covering him, like he's gonna separate. So I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: think that there's a there's some things that they can
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: do better. But the drops were an issue, and obviously
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Douglas's lack of involvement I thought was a little bit
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: of an issue too in this game. All right, who's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: number two?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Uh? Punt coverage?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you allow an eight Friday to put it on him?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: If it happens again, I'm talking about Jeremy Springer, the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Patriots special teams coordinator. It's on you.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you allow that that long you allow that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: to was in ninety six, ninety eight. I can't, I can't.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I remember the long punt return touchdown last week. This week,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: first punt, Yeah, first punt thirteen forty two to go
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Look, Gibson's a good returner, but
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: forty yards multiple mistackles. Can't can't have it, period, full stop,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: can't have it. You blew that lit That's exactly what
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: you blew last week. Now, I don't necessarily think this
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: was a case of I think the reason behind it
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: was different. Last week, the biggest issue was Joe Cardona
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: over not Joe Cardona. Was Bryce Brengrat kicking his coverage. Yeah,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: this week, I thought it was a much more coverable punt.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: You had multiple guys miss tackles in there, but it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter like you on your p's and q's after
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: giving up that return. So that was disappointing to see.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I will say, though, to go back, I meant to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: mention this at the beginning when we talk about responding
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to the toughness element of it. Two things the defense
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: did I really liked and I think were somewhat in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: response to that. So if you allow forty yard punt
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: return right the Jets start and plus territory three and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: out three out by the defense, great response, excellent response,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: and then they had another one later on. They punt
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the ball back to the Jets with three and change
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: to go in the third quarter, down two, and that's
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: the spot last week where the Jags went on that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: eleven and a half minute drive that essentially killed the game.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Jets get where it was thirteen fourteen, yards on first
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: down run stuff incomplete, incomplete with the pressure, get the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: ball back like mentally tough, let's keep the momentum on
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: our side. Drive. So I like how the defense responded
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: because they get a short field right off the jump.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Good test, but shouldn't have had it to begin with.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of good complimentary football moments in this game.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones has the punt return, they go five plays
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: right down. Yeah, A couple of good moments like that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I had Marcus Jones the cornerback as my last.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: So I was gonna do Marcus Jones the return of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones the corner to do. Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: So I also had the special teams in terms of
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: the coverage like you did. I saw just go with
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: my last one. Marcus Jones five for one thirteen against
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: He was waldo.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: They are picking on him, they are finding them all
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: the time, and there in Manton Man. Look, Garrett Wilson's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: a fantastic receiver, and Aaron Rodgers dropped some dimes.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: To get that one on the spot. Fame was as
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: good of a throw as you'll see. Yeh.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: So I I think Marcus Jones had some good coverage
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: in this game and was right there on a lot
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: of these plays. But you consistently see with him is
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: you know he's just not gonna make plays at the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: catch point right because of his size, and that becomes problematic.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: But you give up five for one thirteen, you know
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: you're gonna be on the downs list.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Uh so I have one more said, that's your last one.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah again, I'm gonna go a little outside the box here,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: but I have to do it because you know, Evan,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: how infatuated I am and how much I value. What
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: are you gonna say? I don't know, but I know
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna hate it. Situational coaching. Oh god, I knew
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I was gonna hate it. It. I'm not saying it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: lost the Jets the game. You're up five, going for
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and going for two is fine, Like we're not gonna
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: do the whole go for your down five, you're up five,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you go for two. You have two timeouts left. If
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: you score, you're up seven. Even if not, you're up five. Right,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: you are leading with three minutes to go. How in
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the hell do you not call a timeout to avoid
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: the delay of game and have to run your two
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: point play? From the seven. That is the only reason,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: the only reason that's not the dumbest thing I saw
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: in the NFL this week is because the Chicago Bears
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: and Tyreek Stevenson had a generational miss in Washington. And
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to talk a little bit about
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: that because it's fun, But like, and then and then
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: what do they do? All right? So and Aaron Rodgers
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: said something like, well, we felt like we had a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: good play, so we didn't want to burn it. They
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: come out, they run a two yard play from the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: seven yard line.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: They cover zeroed and they had a two guys unblocked
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: on the line.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: And look, I get it, you Marcus jones on on
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Mike Williams, who's like a big physical guy, right, yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I get that he's not scoring from the seven. Help's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: gonna get there if they run that play from the two.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: The Jets go up seven. And then again, you don't
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: need the time out. The game's going to overtime. You
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: don't need either of those timeouts. You don't need them
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: to not call a timeout there. Evan was mind. I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: thought they made a mistake, Like I thought the scoreboard
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: maybe was wrong that they had saying they had timeouts
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: left mind blowing by the New York Jets and the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Jets for I all will say, the Jets are still
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: the Jets, And that was the moment I looked at
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: and I was like, that's the Jets that not calling
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: a time out there my goodness.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: So just to piggyback off that, and I know we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: have callers waiting and stuff, so I apologize, but I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: just have to.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I have to get this off my chest. I think
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is a joke, Like I really do. I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: see over throw under the bus for that after the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: game good, like the way he carries himself, uh, the
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: way that he plays. I just think it's unbelievable.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: You are a forty year old future Hall of Fame
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: quarterback and you can't get the team out of the huddle,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Like you can't get your guys lined up, You can't
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: how many delay of games or near delay of games
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: that they had four in that game where they burned
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: three timeouts and then they had the one at the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: end of the because they can't get lined up. Like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: that's you, dude, Like that you're the quarterback of this team,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Like that's on you. You're a veteran quarterback in this league,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: not to mention. And he goes out there and he
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: put he puts it on Todd Downing and he says
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: that the play calls are coming into to the headset.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Late dude, you wanted your guy, freaking Nathaniel Hackett to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: be the play caller who blows. And then he fired
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: him and they put Todd Downing in charge because Nay
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Hackett blows. And now you can't get it along with
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: this guy either. It's you, You're the problem. And just
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: last thing on Aaron Rodgers, because now I'm ranting, right
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: all right, The last thing I'll just say about him
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: is that he needs to get his like he is
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: like a perfect good stats, bad team NBA player, right
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Like it's like Paul Pierce circa two thousand.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna talk about Paul Peer. I want to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: be like that, you bad teams that you could have
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: easily said, like James Harden.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, James Harden was on some good teams, was okay,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: But my point being, yeah, I'm not I'm not.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Like any Paul Pierce. I can't believe you. I know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm surprised he did it.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: He was on some bad teams and he's on like
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: great Gilbert, all right, agent zero, all right, Gilbert, Like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: perfect example of that in this game for the Jets.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: I'm I mentioned the run numbers, right, the rush numbers.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers like Kevin in Minnesota. Sure, whatever you want
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: to use Aaron Rodgers, Paul I don't want to use
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Paul Pierce.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers like has to cook right. So instead of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: just the Patriots can't stop the run, we have at that.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: They couldn't stop to run last week in Jacksonville. So
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: what did Trevor Lawrence do? He passed the ball twenty
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: times and allowed his running back Tanks Bigsby to win
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: the freaking game. Instead, Aaron Rodgers is like, let's go empty,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: like we're gonna put the Let's go empty, and let's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: let's try to get Aaron Rodgers cooking right.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: And what do they do?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: They give the lead right back to the Patriots instead
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: of running the ball with Breese Hall, who's their best
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: offensive player by the way I think, and just going
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: down the field exactly how Jacksonville went down the field
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: last week. No, no, no, Aaron Rodgers got to have
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: his MVP moment and we gotta do this. I just
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: think his whole act is insufferable. And he's a great
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: quarterback or was a great quarterback. But I absolutely loved
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots players after the game said that he
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: can't move anymore.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: That was chef's kiss. Good for them. The guy stinks,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: thank you. End of rant.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I just it's so frustrating to me that he does
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: not own anything. He throws everybody else under the bus,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: and he makes mistake after mistake after mistake, and I'm
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: so glad this is happening to the Jets.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Did you say running back was the team's best player.
• 1:14:35
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• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: that for I think Adams is better. I think there's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: an argument we made for Wilson unning back. Adams isn't
• 1:14:42
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  Speaker 4: my biggest concern was whether we have the right quarterback.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm really hesitant to say that we do right now,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: but I mean, the guys played two games and it's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: just it's completely different from when Jacobi left the field
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: and May comes onto the field. So I'm really hesitant
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: to say that this guy is legit, that he's franchise quarterbacks.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say it, but I'm certainly thinking
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: about it. My next biggest concern is whether or not
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: we can put the right players around him and give
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: them the right coaching. For me, that's a real concern.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: If I was Craft, and I know this might sound crazy,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: never happened, but if dayball ever became available, I would
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: drop Avp in his second and take on day ball.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: And the same goes with Rabel. I would love to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: see that. I think we have some real weaknesses in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: coaching and the other thing is the in terms of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: general management. You know, those are my biggest concerns. So
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I wonder what you guys think about that and what
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: you would do if you could do anything to make
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: changes to the team. Thanks again, I'll listen to the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: talk guys.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks Tony. Appreciate you waiting on hold for
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: us too. Uh so uh To the first point about
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Drake May, I'm not ready to call him a franchise
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: quarterback yet either. I think that's way premature.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I think it takes three years to get a real
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: idea of.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Who yeah quarterback Like, even for the biggest Drake May
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: guy that probably exists on this planet, I'm not ready
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: to call him a franchise quarterback. At the same time,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: he has the makings of a franchise quarterback.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: You can like what you've seen so far and say
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: you need to see more. Yeah, so that's that's He's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: checked all the boxes for me so far, But I'm
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: not about to I to me, it's like generally about
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: midway through that third year, I think is when guys
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: they're playing consistently and and they're in a decent enough situation,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: that's when you really start to learn who these guys are. Yeah,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I just got we got a little bit of time.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: I come away super impressed with pretty much everything that
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: he's done. So it's hard not to say that he's
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: trending in that direction. Uh, you know, physically, he obviously
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: checks every single box he could possibly want, and mentally
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: he's been really sharp. I think he's stayed in the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: field exceptionally well. And Alex van Pelt said that this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: morning that that is probably the part that it has
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: shocked him the most is his decision making and how
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: well he's read the field this early on.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: So but then the thing becomes is another box he
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: has a check he won't check for a while, it
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: might not be till next year. Part of decision making
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: his tendencies, and those tendencies are gonna pile up, and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be on tape and they're gonna be in spreadsheets,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: and teams are gonna start being able to prepare for
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: him better. And then what is he doing, Like that's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: a that's kind of where it's all right. I like
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: what he's done. Now, let's see when teams have a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: better idea of who he is, how he adjusts Because
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: that that can separate a talented quarterback from a franchise quarterback.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, I got a tweet here for Marty.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Well done, Barth. Do not let Lazar slander Paul Pierce
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: by pomping him to Aaron Rodgers that will not stand.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: The comp by the way, is actually a good one.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony, that's a good one. That's as my same
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: city too. Good job Martin. But not team USA, Carmelo Anthony, No,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: like not even some of those Nuggets teams had talent. Yeah,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: they went to Western at him and iversoned out talking
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: about a fun team. Kenyan Martin Martin there with them. Yeah,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: all right, I like Kenny Martin, but that like NIX
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony when he's like him and nobody, Oh yeah,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Washington Mari Stodemire when it was him and nobody. Like,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a good comp. So good good tweet,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: good tweet. Thanks Marty.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I was getting at, all right, And
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I you know, I'm the biggest Paul Pirice guy.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: So the fact that that came off shocked. But that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: I said good stats, bad team. I didn't say that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: he was a bad player.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like throw Antoine Walker under the bus
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: like that either. Oh, come on, big Antoine Walker ahead
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: of you. Like if he had played ten years later,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: he would have been a stud six ' eight could
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: pull up all that. Like they didn't know what to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: do with him back then.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: That's not his fault, so you know how like in
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: uh youth league basketball, every want in colleg Yeah, they
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: reclely sure. You could only do numbers like one through
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: twelve or whatever like there were so I couldn't pick
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: thirty four, so I used to be I used to
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: pick eight for an one.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I used to pick one because it was the only
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: one that fit me because they went.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: Up to, he's such a nerd, you're such a little Well.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: It was one or two, but I wouldn't wear two
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: because of Derek Jeter. Yeah that so it was one,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: and then I moved on a five. I don't know
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: why I just liked five.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: But uh, I like all the makings of what Drake
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: May is putting out there in terms of franchise quarterback
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: to get.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: This back on the Royals.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: I also would say that I just continue to be
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: really impressed, uh with with him. Uh, the person like
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: just the mental makeup of him. I think that he
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: said all the right things. I think he carries himself
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: really well. He's got that swagger, like he's got that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: quarterback QB one swagger, and uh, you know, after Houston,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: after Jacksonville, it's I have to play better, right, it's
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: not It's not anybody else's fault. It's not the defense's fault.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: It's not my receiver's fault. Like I threw a bad
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: ball to Jalen Polk, I gave up a sack at
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: the end of the game. Not that wasn't on Mike
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: on Wennu, you know, like so on and so.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Accountability, the account of sack that we were just talking
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: about with Roger or the antithesis of what you were
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: talking about rober clown. Yeah, exactly. So I know that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Carmelo was ever that selfish. I don't think so. I
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: mean he's six man on tm us that's true.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I really been impressed with him. And
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: I think your your show even said this yesterday when
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: I was listening on my ride home. Patriots fans should
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: be excited about Drake May. Yeah, like it's and I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: just not to rag on Mac Jones. I don't mean
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: There's still a little Mac Jones like I don't want
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: to get hurt again kind of thing going on.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: But he's a totally different player, right Like the thing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: with Mac Jones is that we were never sure if
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: the physical skill set was there.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Drake May is not going to have that issue.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Drake May is not failing because he can't throw the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: ball far enough or hard enough for run fast enough
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Right, It's not going to be physical attributes
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: that fail Drake May. And I really like his mental
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: makeup so right now I'm kind of trying to pick
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: nitpick like ways that he's going to fail. And I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: think the caller was a Tony right from Canada. Uh
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: he he nailed it. It's can they put the people
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: around him?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Can they put the roster around him, the coaching around
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: him to get the best out of him? And my
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: biggest fear for Drake May, and I've said this on
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: Unfiltered a few times, is that he ends up being
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence justin Herbert, you know, like these really uber talented.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Guys in a bad situation that era just constantly in
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: bad situaes well and to the callers point one last thing,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: like he mentioned Brian day Ball, and I mean that's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: everybody knows I feel about Dave if you listen to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: the show, Like that's a guy I really like. You know,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I've said this, Alex Van Pelt one way or another
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: is not here for a long time. Yeah. It's it's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: either not gonna work out and he's gonna get fired. Yeah,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: or it is gonna work out and he just developed
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: a quarterback and now he becomes one of the hottest
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: names in coaching. So no matter what, Like, I don't
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: see a situation good or bad where Alex Van Pelt
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: is here for more than what three years? Yeah, I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: still so, I still feel like Van Pel's doing his job.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I know I think he is. But this is part
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: of what went wrong with mac Jones. They didn't have
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: you know, there was no succession playing for Josh McDaniels.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: So you've got to have the next guy in Brian
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Daball would be ideal, I think, especially for Drake May
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: this kind of quarterback, that kind of coach.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: But like right, but the other issue, and I agree
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: with you, but Dabell to me, like if Dabell comes
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: in and he turns Drake may into Josh Allen and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: he's this like top five MVP candidate and the Patriots
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: are a playoff team. My guess is that Dable will
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: get a right not here long term, yeah either and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: but like you got to have that.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: We talked about this. I don't want to say all
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: winter because they didn't have a coach for only like
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: two weeks. But yeah, like this is part of what
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: comes with hiring a defensive coach, whether it was Mayo,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: whether it was Rabel, whoever. Unless you're gonna hire Josh McDaniels,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: who is not getting another head coaching job, you're going
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: you have to keep that pipeline stocked. You hope that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: not to have the next guy ready.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: You hope that you do it internally, right, Like you hope, Yeah,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: you hope. And look, I know it's maybe not the
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: most inspired thing, and neither was Alex van Pelt. But
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: if push comes to shove, if it has to be
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Ben McAdoo who's done it before and his called plays
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: before and TC McCartney, the bigger hope is probably that
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: TC McCartney continues to rise.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: He has the resume for it because he's coached offensive line,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: he's coached tight ends, like, he coached all these different positions.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: So to me, he is he he would in the house,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: would be the most likely guy.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not yet, not right now, ways to grow,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: but two to three years from now.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I don't think Van it's gonna be
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: this thing where it's like Van Pelt. No matter what happens,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna be Van Pelton may grown together because
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: if it goes well, somebody's gonna make Alex van Pelt
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: the head coach. All right, Patty is an ag on
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: what's up? Patty? J We doing good.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: So I got a couple of questions as always, all right,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: the second one might be more for Alex, but Evan,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: of course you know I'm not gonna stay Well, it's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: only for Alec. The first question that I got for
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: you guys is some Wednesday, it's kJ born in Taekwon
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: Thornton still on this team. I think you can possibly
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: get maybe like a conditional seventh for Osborne. I don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: think we're getting anything for Taykwon. And the second question
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: is brat scenario Alex and of it. Sorry he doesn't care,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: all right, so you're able. You're able to get one.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: You're able to get these three players. And I'm going
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: to give you A and B list. A is Ted McMillan,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Garrianta YERSI and Harold Standon Jr.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: List B.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Is Will Campbell, Trey Harris, and my the guy that's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: slowly becoming the guy I want to see him on
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: this team next year, and that's Tyler Warren from Penn
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: State because to me, I think he's the best tight end.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: He might be the best tight end the last two
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: drafts coming out. I'll take it off there.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: And do you, thanks, Patty. I was trying to keep
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: track of the names. What was the first question.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: He's had Twon Thornton on the team?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I wanted to kind of use
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: that as a springboard. And this is why I asked,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: because that's an important question. We haven't talked much trade deadline.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: The trade deadline is on Tuesday. We won't have a
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: show between then and now. Uh So I wanted to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: talk a little trade deadline. So let's start with giving
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: away players Taekwon, Thornton, kJ Osborne, Kendrick Bourne, possibly Jonathan Jones.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: His name has been in some rumors. How do you
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: kind of feel about that so selling?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, if we're gonna do the list
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: of truly untouchable players, yeah, you might be able to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: do that on one hand, right, I'm not trade Drake May.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna trade Pop, Douglas Gonzalez, ke On White,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: ke On White, Yeah, Dugger, I probably wouldn't Tryeyle Mike One. Mike, Yeah, wouldn'trade.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: You're not trading my best offense alignment. Guys. I would
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: have to be strongly convinced to trade. Are some of
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: those veteran leaders Jacoby Verssette Kendrick Bourne, Jonathan Jones, Devon Godshaw, Hunter,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Henry Dedrick Wise another one I haven't seen his name.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Those other five i've seen.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like if if you're if you're a ball knower,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: then you know that Dietrick Why is a good football player. Yeah, sorry,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I just also think for coaching staff, we spent the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: whole beginning of the show talking about is the coaching
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: staff's message getting through right? And they've always right. They've
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: obviously had their issues with that here early on. The
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: best way you can impart that messages through players, is
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: through veteran leadership. So if you're worried about, you know,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: having issues building the culture from year one, moving on
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: from Jacoby Versett, from Kendrick Bourn, from Jonathan Jones is
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: not going to help that. Now, if somebody wants to
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: get nuts and give me like a third round pick
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: for Kendrick Bourne, sure, right, if you get the Mohammed
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: sanw trade, great, great comp thank you. Yes, Like I'm
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: not gonna say no to that. But if it's a
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: sixth round pick, I actually think Kendrick Bourne's leadership at
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: this point is worth more than a sixth round pick. So,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: and especially in what is this is a buyer's market,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: this is naughty seller's market. That Deontay Johnson trade is insane.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: And I actually did a mailbag on Tuesday or on Monday.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: I wrote it Monday, went out Tuesday morning. That was like,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: sure the Patriots being on Deontay Johnson and I was like, well,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: you know, he's probably gonna cost a lot. He's not
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: a bad player. Had I known it was a fifth
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: sixth pickswap, absolutely, if that's what receivers are going for.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: But I'm not giving up Kendrick Bourne. So if that's
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: what Deantrey Johnson's worth, seventh round for Kendrick Bourne, absolutely not.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I value his leadership more than that. And for him
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: or Hunter Henry, these guys on multi year deals, they
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: may actually still have a role next year. So those
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: are the guys I'm not trading. I want to say
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: that first before we get to the guys that I am,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: because I feel strongly about that. If you can't tell
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne, you know how I feel about him. I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: say this about him all the time. I could have
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: prime Randy Moss, Prime trel Owns, Prime, Chad Johnson. I'm
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: finding a spot of my team for Kendrick Bourne. That
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: guy just brings an in it factor and in tangibles
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: that I want him in the room. Same with guy
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: like Hunter Henry, right, I want Jonathan Jones. I want
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: those guys in the room. Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: So I I worry about trading Kendrick Bourne because he
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: is and I don't mean this as a as a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: slight on the younger guys, but he is like the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: one professional in that wide receiver room right now, and
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: I think if you trade him, unless, like we said,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: if you get a Mohammed's new offer for Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: then I think you have to do it. But yeah, uh,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: trading him is going to turn that room over to
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: a bunch of twenty two year old kids. It's going
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: to be Pop Douglas, Kaishan Boody, Jalen Polk, Javon.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Babs becomes the most veteran member of j Osborne.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah but still like you're you're turning the room over
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: to a very very young group that has already had
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: some issues with maturity.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Let's just say exact, Yeah, no, exactly, like they there's
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of control in that room right now. Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Look a lot of that came when Kendrick Bourne was
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: out and he was still around the team, but he
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't playing, and it does make a difference.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would have concerns about that. Look, I'm
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: on the record with this and I know it's an
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: unpopular opinion, but I'm not an f them picks guy.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not the Los Angeles Rams. Okay, I'm not looking
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: at it that way necessarily, but i am a talent
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: acquisition guy, and if I'm a team, I'm still talent
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: in over talent out right, Like that's the most important
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: thing to me. And what I don't understand is we
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: get to this time of year and we have people.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: We had an emailer in a couple of weeks ago
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: and Paul and I disagreed on this that said Kendrick
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Bourne for a sixth round pick. And I'm like, why
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: am I dealing away Kendrick Born for a six round pick?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And you know, Paul's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: point was that you're not going to get more than
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: a six So I said, well that I'm keeping Kendrick Borne.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: He's on a multi year till it's not. We're at
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: a certain point. You can't just trade guys to trade him.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: If word gets out you're trading player away without you know,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: for less than their worth. You're never gonna be able
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: to negotiate because people will wait on you. The old
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: old Danny Ainge, and Danny Ainge went too four in
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: the other direction, pretty big Celtic showed. How about that
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: game last night? That was something right.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: We'll get to that, but we have some things to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: cover first. Okay, we can't get into the Boston sports Man.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: To me, it's more about, you know, I look at
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Taekwon Thorn. I look at kJ Osbourne. You've got to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: get Jalen Polk back on the field when he's healthy.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: I know it hasn't been good, but there's a young
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: player that needs to develop. Jaymon Baker needs to play Eventually.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I'm coming around. I like, I know it hasn't been great.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a great start on the field. He
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: had the hiccups in London that Mike Reese reported, but
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: used the fourth round pick on the kid. You gotta play,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: and you gotta see what he can do, and you
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: got to open up snaps and you don't want Taekwon
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: Thornton kJ Osborne sitting at the back end of the
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: depth chart behind guys that are, you know, going through
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: their growing paints. That's just gonna create more division inside
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: the room. Those two guys, I'm cool. That's more about
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: you're moving them to create opportunities for other players. I'd
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: look to move them. I don't know if I gave
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: this take on this show. I've given it on other shows.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: That shows mixed up yeap City so Bill Belichick, Yeah,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: I mentioned in the Guards as well, So.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: I just I would play City. So I think City
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: show is a good player. Yeah, but it's fine. I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: don't think they feel the same way. He's look at
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: who he's been behind this here.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: I also do think that there's an element of like
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Ted Carris, where it's like it's the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: best five that is worshiping and that's built the most continuity,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: And like Mike on Wen who goes to the bench
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: that year and he's really one of your best linemen.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: But as they little bit of that, as they were
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: trying to find that best five, there didn't seem to
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: be a ton of urgency to make city so a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: part of it. Yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, he
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: also struggled real bad. He did, But it's like this
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: is a lineman that he's a young guy. He's shown
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: some promise. Yeah, in the league that is a shortage
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: on lineman. He might have something like you, you probably
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: get more for him than you would for like Kendrick Borne.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the offers are for interior linemen
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: these days. They don't get traded very often because it's
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: not really worth it. But if there's one position on
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: the line, the Patriots low key have a logjam at guard.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying Jordan Robinson City and then when
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Cole Stranger comes back too, So they have five guards
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: for two spots.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have too many guards. So and I just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: looking at the way they've operated, I think he's the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: odd man out. And if he's going to be the
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: odd man out, and most of those guys are still
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be here next year, so this is not like, oh,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: well we'll put him back in next year thing like
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: they did with on Wu because Ted Carris was gone, right,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: you knew that I might look to see what I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: could get for City. So I don't love saying that. Personally,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's a good player, but just the way
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: they've operated, it feels like he might be a little expendable.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think if there's one
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: area of surplus, it's probably guard. Yeah, and and receiver.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: But those guys are all kind of you know whatever.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: But well, we just talked about that. You move kJ Osborne,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: you move you move Taekwon Thornton now City so is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: still under contract. That's a guy. Maybe you move in
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: the off season when he's worth a little bit more.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: But you know, if somebody calls and says, like a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: fourth round.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: City on Sunday that loses their starting guard for the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: season and needs a guard.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Fourth round pick for City, So I would do that
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: whether they took them the fourth or fifth fourth. Fourth. Yeah,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I flipped that absolutely. So Uh.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: The last thing I want to say about the deadline
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: and go back to my whole philosophical approach to this
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: type of stuff. I I believe the Patriots should at
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: least be exploring. And I'm not I know everyone, I'll
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: put a name to it. I'm not Elliot Wolf, I'm
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: not on the phone. I don't know who's available, who's
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: not available. I know the whispers, I know the rumors,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: but like none of us actually know. Okay, I just philosophically,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: bear with me for a second. The Patriots should be
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: interested in like a Montes Sweat type of trade.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a name that finish your ramp,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: but I have an name I want to ask you about.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: I just they need to add good football players to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: this team. And when I say good football players, I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: mean like guys that you would rank in the top
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: ten of the roster. I don't mean the middle of
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: the class guys that you see move a lot. Right
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: this time of year. I'm talking about adding some real
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: uh star power, a guy that you can consider part
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: of your core. And I would just say with Montes Sweat,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: the Bears gave up and I know they had a
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: surplus of picks, but I think you might be having
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: running into that situation if you get a high draft
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: pick and trade down coming up here soon. If they
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: gave up a second round pick for Montes Sweat. They
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: signed Montes Sweat to a monster extension, so now he's
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: a Chicago Bear for the next four years. He leaves
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: the Bears in sacks and quarterback pressures through eight weeks
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: and they're a playoff contender. So it's worked out. It's
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: worked out for the Bears with Montes if you do.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: It smart, like you know some T. Higgins is a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: name that's been out there right and people, well, you
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: know they need this, they need the pick. You can't
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: trade the second round. We're probably using that pick on
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: a receiver. You're hoping that receiver that pick is used
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: on a player that's great. Team. I wouldn't touch first
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: round pick, and I'm probably not touching the second. T.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Higgins might be the one guy would have to be
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: for like a bona fide number one.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the player I want to ask you about.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't trade second round pick for this guy.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: And I think he exists somewhere between the top ten
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the roster or like a top
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: fifteen of the roster. Guy. How about Chase Young?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: So he every you know, the Niners tried this with
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: him though, right, like they tried to buy low on
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: a former first over.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: That's also the Niners who had a ton of The
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Niners are a different situation. They had a ton of expenses.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: They they knew going in he was going to be
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: a rental. They didn't need the pick they gave up
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: for him. If you could get so he went for
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: a third last year. Yeah, and he's had a quieter year. Yeah.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: If you could trade a fourth round pick for Chase
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Young with a chance to extend him, I might do it.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Like I was looking at years yesterday, he made the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: most sense. The other one is he's like.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: A little bit you know, not it's probably two in
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: the weeds, but like he is a fourth three end
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: to me and not like a true like three four
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: outside linebacker. So where do you do you play? Him
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: with his hand in the dirt. Do you play him
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: up like it's kind.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Of the key standing up in the NFL? Yeah, but
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: it's just not really so the other guys I looked
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: up both of the Bronco's edge rushers are reportedly on
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: the block. Yeah. Baron Browning right, yep, he's like a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: josh u Ja screamer off the edge. Yeah, and then
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: there I forget the name of the guy on the
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: other side. I'll look it up. But like with Baron Browning,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: would you be interested? Uh?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Probably not, just because and him are pretty similar and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: it wasn't really working out with Like, Browning is like
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: a true situational pass rusher. He's like two and forty
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: five pounds, you know, he's a true screamer off the edge.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: I just you mentioned the the Montees sweat trade. Yeah, no,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: pass rusher is definitely a place that Jonathan Cooper was
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: the other one. Okay, Yeah, these guys they're not like
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: it's rare for a guy like that to be available. Yeah,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Like you're not necessarily gonna have that guy. I think
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: if they make that trade, it's probably more a guy
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: like Chase Young for like a fourth as opposed to
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: swim for a second. But there is value because you
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: avoid for agency, right, and if there's a guy you want,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: you know, again, Higgins would probably be the guy that
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: would be Closecalf.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: The free agency thing is so big to me too.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to this, because everybody says, well,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: why don't you just wait and give up nothing and
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: pay him in free agency? But the problem is is
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: that now you're competing with eight to ten other teams
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: and we see how that goes, right, We've seen how
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: that goes the last couple of years. Uh So now
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: you're running into a situation where you're probably gonna have
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: to overpay the player even more Taxachusetts hello, right, and
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: all that's whole, that whole thing like it's Calvin Ridley
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: all over again. So that's the problem with gating until
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: free agency is you might not get the guy, yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: you know, and so that and now you're left with nothing.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: But the thing about these level of players is, you know,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: some teams are going to wait till the end of
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: the year because they want to see if they can
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: get something done. So it's just it was a unique
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it. It was a unique situation.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: It's a very unique situation. I just I still come
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: back to this team isn't tanking.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, they should not have a fire sale.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: So they're not and they shouldn't have a fire sale,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: and they shouldn't be worried about adding talent because it's
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: gonna make them better this year. This team's not tanking.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: So if you're not tanking, you're adding talent. That's the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: way that you should look at it. And if that
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: means trading one of your you know, not not touching
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: the first round picky. It would have to take a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: special player to touch the second round pick. But if
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: that means trading away like the Matthew Judah third round
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: pick for a good football player, I'm doing it.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Especially again, like I said, it's a buyer's market right now,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Like guys are going for less than I thought that
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: josh U j return was nuts, and I still think
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: it's probably low. But when you see what Deontay Johnson
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: went for and some of these other trades, what Cam
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Robinson went for, right, and I'm anither one that I
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: would kind of I would have been in on that.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think teams are gonna move tackles.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: I would have been in on that, but it's you
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: want to be the team that's buying right now, Like
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: these guys are going for so much less than they're worth.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Everybody is, So if you get a chance to get
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: a player for cheap, you know you might as well
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: you do it now. You strike now. You do want
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: to be content in a year or two and he
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: can be here, right.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: So we were talking about players that are hitting their
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: second contractor on the younger side of the third contract,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: that are gonna be core players for you moving forward,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: that you're planning on being here for the next three
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: to four years to be around Drake may in this
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: whole operation. And I just don't understand, like why wait,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: Like what's why wait until the offseason to start making
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: moves to make this roster better? Why not make it
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: better now? And let's face it, if they go out
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: there and they trade even let's say T Higgins, Like
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think T Higgins is gonna make is going
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: to add four wins to this football team. Maybe he
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: adds a winn or two down the stretch to this
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: football team, but they're not all of a sudden going
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: from like losing out on a on a top five
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: pick to now picking sixteenth because they got Tea.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Winning a couple of games down the stretch wouldn't be
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world for this team. Yeah,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: that's just plain and simple. Wouldn't be the worst thing
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: in the world for this team.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: All right, let's take Nate's call and then we have
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: some emails here as well. Nay that trash Chicago.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: What guys?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: How you doing?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: I want to throw another trade name at you.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: Guys is here.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: What do you think about it? And if you think
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: it would be a possibility, what do you.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: Think we could get Christian Watson from the Packers?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: And I'll take it off there.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: It's a good one. The Packers moving Christian Watson? So
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: the Packers are they had all those others?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: I would say that the Packers, we're gonna move anybody.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe Romeo Dobbs, who was the receiver that was upset.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: He had the one game suspension. I don't remember exactly
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: what it was for.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Did they have another guy that was upset too? I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: don't think so. I think.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Because the Packers have four really solid receivers, they they're
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: doing it by committee.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Watson, Tavian Wicks have a thing. I don't think so.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: I thought he's kind of like a Kendrick Bourne. Ye. No,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: he's like their best player.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: And now you know so, Watson, Dobbs, Reid Wicks is
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: like a really solid four foursome for the Packers right now.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Is there a possibility that one of those guys is
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: like a trade candidate? I suppose Dobbs is the one
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: that had the suspension. It was a one game suspension
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: for like violating team rules. I don't know the details
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: of what exactly he did, but.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: I just have his Wikipedia up after reportedly staying away
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: from two days of practice due to frustration overlack involvement
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: in the passing game.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe he's a guy who's really a really
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: talented player, true outside X receiver.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: And they liked him that year. I mean they Bill's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: not here and he was running the draft board. But
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: there's still some carryover him. Yeah, and that grow right, Yeah,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: and he can get down the field and make big
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: plays down the field. Liked that. An interesting player. Watson's got.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Did he sign an extension yet? He's got to be
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: coming up if he didn't, well, because he's the Cole
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Strange here. Yeah, so he does not look like he did.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: He's a pre agent.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: He's a free agent in twenty six, so he's still
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: got two more years on his contract, including this year.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this year, next year. So this offseas so he'd
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: be a guy you look at this offseason.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad call. It's maybe a little bit
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: premature right now out because I think.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: The Packers deadline's probably too early. They're a good team,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: but the Packers are going for put him in the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: bucket with DK Metcalf and T Higgins and the road. Yeah.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: The only issue with Christian Watson is the soft tissue injuries,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Like he he'll have a random like ham strings and
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: things like that, groins like just pop up out of nowhere.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: I put him on the injury report. But he's a really,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: really good player and they need speed. Yeah, speed kills.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: All right, A couple of email questions. We're not gonna
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: do Patty's drafting.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was Patty's drafting? I actually recognize most
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: of the players too, So Ted McMillan, Yeah.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: You haven't watched ursery yet? Have you got Minnesota? And
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: and is it Noah Fan and the tight end from
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: no I'm thinking of no A Fan, the tight end
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: at Bowling Green. Somebody was probably Patty Yeah, called about
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: him last week, Harold Fannin and then Will Campbell, Trey Harris,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Tyler Warren. So so okay, not sure about tight ends,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: but right he really wants a tight end apparently in
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: the I get it. You want the developmental guy behind
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Henry and honestly, Tyler Warren Trey Harris. You I don't
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: know if he was, if that meant in order, but
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Tyler Warren might go in the draft before Trey Harris.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Did I have talked to you about Trey Harris. Trey
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Harris at the Colorado State receiver. No, that's Tory Horton.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I like it. It's same initials. Yeah, he's actually not
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: quite as fast, a little similar to Christian Watson. Trey
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: Harris is the guy at Ole miss who is setting
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: all those records. So I'll just give you from Draft
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Network his pros and cons. You tell me who. This
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: sounds like strength, catch radius, length, dominant with contested catches, alignment,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: versatile red zone threat concerns, ability to separate rat running,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: vertical speed, kill Harry a little bit of souped up
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: to kill Harry, but so sign him up. That's so
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: basically exactly what we want. Will Campbell and Trey Harris
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: or Teed McMillan. Would you rather have the apex X
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: you're familiar with McMillan, right, and the athletic a little
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: more project y tackle or the you know, ideal prototype
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: ready to go tackle and Trey Harris. So I'm coming.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: I've been trying to be consistent with my take on
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: this because I want it for once with the draft,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: be consistent. I was pretty consistent wanting Drake, but we're
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: very consistent wanting Yeah. But in general, I want to
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: be consistent. And I've been a tackle guy like I've
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: been tackle tackle, tackle, tackle, mainly because when we talk
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: about this every week, I feel like we've talked about
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: it every year and they just keep kicking the can
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: down the road and eventually you're gonna have to take
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: the swing, like you're gonna have to take a tackle
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: early in the draft and hope that he's the answer.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: So to keep kicking the can down the road is
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit frustrating.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: With that being.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: Said, I'm impressed with Tetmanmillan like, I think he can
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: really play. The one thing that I would say that
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: is a little bit concerning with him is that he's
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: a little inconsistent, Like he has these big games and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: then he has.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Games where he's not he disappears at the time. Yes, yeah,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: but oh, I'll say this that Arizona team around him
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: is yeah cool. Right.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: So when I watch him in January and I started
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: to study the film, like, my guess is that it's
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: quarterback play, line play, and he's getting open every game.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: Fafina is actually not bad. So there's an interesting thing there.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: I think I've told you this, But so Noah Fafiita
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: is the quarterback in Arizona. Him and McMillan went to
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: high school together and they're the same year. So there's
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: some stuff they do that's like high level chemistry stuff.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: The people who don't like McMillan, this is, I bet
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a talking point. Well what does it
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: look like when he has a quarterback he hasn't played
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: with for eight years? Like, get ready for that one.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: So you need to watch you need to watch Ursery
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: because again, you have a better eye for this stuff
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: than I do. Camberl and Banks haven't had amazing years.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: They've been good. Banks struggle against Georgia, particularly against Michael Williams,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: who might be a top ten pick in his own right,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: and Ursery's kind of just been there. And I think
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: it's there's gonna be some people that will tell you.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: And the reason I'm talking about this more vaguely is
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: because there's still a lot of football left to play
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: and we gotta go through the Senior Bowl. Ursery might
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: he's not Campbell and Banks, like if their tier one, Yeah,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: it's not polished, he might be one a like he
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: might not be Tier two? Do you get what I'm
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: saying there? And it's if you can like that type
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: of even even what Fashanu was to to Joel like,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: he's not yo' all, but it's Ted McMillan is clearly
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Tier one receiver. I don't think depending on what you
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: want to do with with with with Travis Hunter, there's
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: no one a receiver like there's a clear drop off.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: I like Isaiah bond Bouka is fine. He's not my
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: cup of tea, but I get why people like him.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: There's a clear drop there, and it's do you get
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: a Tier one and a Tier two player tier one
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: being your biggest need, or do you skim a little
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: bit on the biggest need, which is what you're saying
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: you can't do, but you get Tier one and Tier
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: one A What this is all gonna come down is
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: what people think is and that's right.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: But I think the concern then, just like listening to
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: you talk about it, is if er is can considered
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: to be that good, then he's gonna go high, like
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: tackles fly off the board. Well that's like if he
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: ends up being if he ends up rising in the
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: draft process, then now you're talking about getting not and
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: you know you're not getting attacked.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: So you know, and this is where we'll get into
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: the really weird machinations of it. The two guys we
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: haven't talked about because I don't think either of us
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: have an interest in them drafting a right tackle are
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Emery Jones and Cameron Williams, who are the right tackles. Ironically,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: LSU in Texas game, you're gonna watch them. He had
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: a rough game, but for the most part those two
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: guys have been really good. Do you get teams that
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: either just want to right tackle or are you gonna
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: get teams that that see how good those guys are
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: and maybe think they can move right to left, and
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: maybe that pushes Ursery down the board because those two
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: guys are objectively better prospects, but the positional values not
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: I know that it drives and I want to talk
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: tight and so I want to wrap this. But I
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: know drives people crazy when we talk about flipping guys.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: But just for the record, like jac Latham's flipped to
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: the left side for the Chargers and has been great.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: So I I just I do I think it possible
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: that you can do that.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: I do trust Scott Peters, but if that's what you're
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: gonna do, I'd rather take Ursery, who is a left
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: tackle similar range. Yeah, like I charge, I said charge,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: I meant tell you. Yeah, However, you're gonna do this
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to move like Ellie Wolf's gonna
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: have to cook on draft night. Yeah, he's gonna have
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: to be on the phone. Yeah, because you're not doing
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: this with you know one in thirty three, two and
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: thirty four, three and thirty five whatever you wanna call it,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Like you're gonna have to move around to do it.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: But this is this is gonna be the big conversation
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: is gonna be. Is it Will Cambell and Calvin Banks?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: And then you figure the rest out or is it
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: you're making a targeted move to get to you guys.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Now they could also go out and trade for wide
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: receiver and March and this all becomes irrelevant and then
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: it's Will Campbell or Calvin Banks end a story.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: So if you ask me, uh, from a draft perspective,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: the best case scenario is still trading down yeah, for
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: a haul and drafting the tackle.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: YEP.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: I would also say that what you just said is
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: probably the most likely scenario is that the address receiver
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: in the veteran market yep. Whether it's be a trade,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: free agency, however that goes down with T Higgins maybe
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: going to free agency, I would expect. And look, they
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: tried it with Calvin Ridley and they didn't they didn't close.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: But I would expect if T. Higgins is an unrestricted
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: free agent in March, which you probably will be the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: Patriots Day one of free agency, tampering period, one hundred
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: and twenty five million dollar offered to Tea Higgins. You
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: know something crazy?
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: And I'll add this one last note on it, because
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: I know you want to move on. But if they
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: do that, so three big needs, we're pretty sure we
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: know what they're gonna be at this point. Tackle receiver, edge, Yeah,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: all right, receivers off. I like, how use edge now,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: edge rush or whatever? I know it well because some
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: of these guys are defensive ends, some of them are linebackers.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Edge all caps depends that you draft someone would be
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: all right whatever. This is a deep edge class like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: the day too, the late day one earth you can
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: maybe get like a really good defensive end or outside
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: linebacker pass rusher without having to move back up into
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: the first round. So if you check the wide receiver,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: now you can trade down get campbeller Banks, and maybe
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: you don't need to move back up and still get
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: an impact player. And now you get to sit on
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: that haul. And now you go into twenty twenty six
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: potentially ready to go up and strike for a second corner,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: another pass rusher. Maybe went double up at receiver. Okay, Okay,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: we're getting too far down the road. No, but this
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: is how you think about it. But how works I
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: last thing, and I keep on saying we want to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: move on.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't sleep on adding defense and adding edge rusher
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: in this draft. I still think tackles your biggest need
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: and you need to address that off the bat. But
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: they're thirtieth in DVA on defense, Like they haven't been
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: a good defense this year. Obviously, you're gonna get bar
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: More back, You're gonna get Bentley back, you like that.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: But edge rusher, it's Anthony Jennings and like a not
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: a whole lot else and he's not really on white, yeah,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: but he's sort of a tweeter. And you don't really
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: have anybody that gets up the field and rushes the
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: passer like Anthony Jennings. That's not really his game, right,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: So I wouldn't sleep on that as being like a
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: tier one need.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: For well, the big three needs Big three, Like we
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: have a Big three every year. Tackle. It's been tackle, receiver,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback for a while now. Yeah, tackle in no particular order. Tackle,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: pass rusher, yeah, and receiver. But if you signed to Higgins,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: you checked out box, like those become the two I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: know corners in need, linebacker, developmental tight end, maybe a
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: running back, Like that's a different kind of thing.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we got ten minutes to talk about
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: the Titans, which is exactly how much they deserve.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: So the one thing, especially when we don't know who
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: their quarterback, I have three things to say about the Titans. Yeah,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: the one nice thing I'm gonna say about the Titans
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: is that their defense is actually pretty scrappy. Their defense
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: is well ranked and the efficiency metrics, I think they're
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: ninth and DVOA they're like eleventh or twelfth and EPA
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: per play. I know that they gave up fifty two
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: points last week. I know, but trust me when I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: tell you it was a wonky fifty two points. It
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: was big punt return, big kickoff return, big punt return
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: turnover in their own territory. Like it was a weird one.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: The the Lions had like eighty passing yards in that game,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: so it wasn't like Detroit went down up and down
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: the field. On the Titans defense, they run a lot
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: of different exotics. They are a very spin the dial
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: type of defense. These are all reasons and Girodmeo and
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt talked about it. Alex van Pelt today
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: mentioned that they don't really have tendencies, right, they just
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: kind of throw everything at you, and some teams like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars are big cover two third down defense, so
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: you knew you were getting covered two on third down.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: The Titans are not like that. The Titans play a
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: bunch of different coverages. So that's sort of why I'm
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: hoping that Drake may plays this game even more because
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see how he handles that. This is
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: a Baltimore flavored defense. They run a lot of pressure,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: they run a lot of coverage, They mix it up,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: they spin the dial, they have some wonky rotations in
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: the back end. Frankly, watching their film, it's sometimes hard
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: to identify the coverage, Like, I don't know exactly what
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: they're in. They do a lot of that, different types
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: of these fancy cover five tricks, you know, different crazy coverages.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: So it's a tough one. It's a tough one to decipher.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: And if Drake may gooes out there and he passes
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: this test in terms of the scheme elements and the
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: decision making and the processing, are gonna be really impressed.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: So that was my nice thing to say about the Titans.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: Do you have anything nice to say about the Titans?
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Now? They gave up on my guy, Derek Henry. I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: know I do. I'm excited. I know he's on the
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: injury report with see if he plays, but I hope
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: we get to watch Devandre Sweat. Remember how I felt
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: about him during the drafts. One of my favorite players.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Him and Jeffery Simmons. Inside. Jeffery Simmons another player like
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: I've always really liked. Now he's a little bit older now,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: he's not quite what he was, but he's pretty close.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: We talk about that. You know, the guards and Ben
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Brown coming along, they're right there. In a spot like
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: this week, you do not want to run it between
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: the guards in this game because de Andre Sweat and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons are going to be there, and those guys
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: are hard to move, so you're gonna want to run
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: it outside the tackles, and the numbers bear that out
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: going over to the offense for the Titans. This should
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: be a get right game for the Patriots defense, and
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: this should be a game where the Patriots defense comes
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: out feeling pretty good about itself. Whether it's Will Levis
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: or Mason Rudolph, the numbers are really not all that different.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Rudolph is a little bit more conservative, a little bit safer,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: with the football. Will Devis is a little bit more
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: run and gun. You know, you can throw the ball
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: down the field and make some bigger plays. But for
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: the most part, from an efficiency standpoint, it's about as
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: identical as it could possibly be. They both kind of stink, right,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots defense should be able to have some
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: fun in this game, I think at least, and I
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: hope they do. I want to see if they can
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: get the monkey off their back. In terms of turnovers.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Is not a defense that forces a lot of turnovers.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: That's obviously very unusual. That's probably the biggest change post
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick production wise with this defense. Like the turnovers
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: are not there. This Titans offense trick or treat. They
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: want to give the ball away like Halloween candy nice
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: and the Patriots should come out of this. I'm hoping
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: they come out of this game with the multiple turnovers
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: because you're not going to play the Titans every week.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where like you get
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: a cup, regardless of how you get him, maybe you
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: start you know, maybe it starts flowing for you. Damn
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: right opens the damn you see one go in. So turnovers, turnovers, turnovers,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to see if regardless who's a quarterback,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: it'd be great if we get a Will Levis meme.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: That'd be the cherry on top for me. But I
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: definitely want to see him go out and try to
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: get some turnovers.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: There's two guys on this offense that where are you.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: Tony Pollard's a good back, banged up, they can run
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: the ball. Tajay Spears also decent back. He looks like
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: he's gonna come back. And then obviously Calvin Ridley. And
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is hyperbole when I say that,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: I am sure the Patriots would like it if Calvin
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: Ridley does not have a good game, right like, I
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: think one of the worst things that could happen out
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: of this game, besides somebody getting hurt or something like that,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: is that Calvin Ridley goes for like a buck fifty
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: and two touchdowns and the Titans win, and we have
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: a week of you could have had him, You could
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: have had him, You could have had him. So my
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: expectation is that Christian Gonzales will be on Calvin Ridley
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: stop to run their run game with Tony Pollard and
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: Taja Spears, and you should be okay on the defensive
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: side of the ball. Last thing, talk a little special
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: teams because it's warranted this week.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Yep, this is no big punt returns.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: This Titan special team's unit is the worst in the NFL.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: They stink, They stink out loud. On punt coverage, they
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: are four times worse than the next closest team.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: In terms of what yards per return.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: In terms of DVOA on punt coverage, four times worse.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: They are a minus twenty four on punt returns. The
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: next closest team is a minus eight. Think about that.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: That's wild. So Marcus Jones, I think that's three times
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: where I said four. I'm terrible at math.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: Don't make me do math. You're already using math.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones should have some opportunities in this game. They
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: had a law I can't remember at the top of
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: my head how long it was. It was a long
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: punt return touchdown by Cliff Raymond last week. I think
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: they had like one hundred and fifty yards of punt
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: return yards in this game last week for the Lions.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: So they should have some opportunities to turn some punts
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: and this should be a game where they dominate that phase, right,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: they should be able to really win the kicking game
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: against the Titans. I can't believe the Titans special teams
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: coordinator hasn't gotten fired. Like there're a garbage a dumpster fire,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: like block punts, big returns.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: It's it's been terrible. I'm trying to find the actual
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: yards per return, so but a real number to it.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: So sorry, my fancy numbers don't work for you. Also,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: I messed up the mat so to double edged sword.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I think.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: That about does it. So next week we'll come back
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: and trade deadline. I'm just saying this is my gut,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: just my opinion. I think it's gonna be kind of quiet.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: I know we all talk about the trade deadline like
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: it's the hot stove, right Like it's like.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: The surprised if they don't move one of those two receivers.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: I just think to get the numbers right in the room,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: it's possible. I just don't know if they're gonna get
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: the return that's gonna make it worth it. I think
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: opening up the spot will make it worth it.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he could have a josh u Ja, you know,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six to seventh for Taekwon Thorton situation, just
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: to maybe pick swap. Yeah, so we'll talk about the
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: trade line, we'll talk about this game against the Titoons,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: and then next week.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Really what what was what was that? The Titos? No,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: the Titans.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, really looking forward to next week's game.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams against Drake May. Hopefully, hopefully neither one of
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: them gets hurt on Sunday and they play in that
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: game together one versus three. That's gonna be a lot
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: of fun. Like it's not, obviously neither team's going to
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: the super Bowl, but it's still cool to see that.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: Give me, speaking of the Bears, give me one thought
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: on the hail Mary play.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: My thought on the haill Mary play is that I
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: actually have a take on this, and give me two minutes.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: My take on this is that we are failing as
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: a football Cognizanti that we are not rushing quarterbacks on hill.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Mary's Like, why cognisant? Like just football people, coaches. I've
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: seen this take this week. This is the new it
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: thing you should blitz on a hail Mary. I'm not
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: saying all out blitz. I'm not going Greg Willie you're
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: not going engage.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to engage eight, But can I
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: get like a real rush, like not like a two
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: man like, okay, we're gonna kind of just like Jaden
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: Daniels had thirteen seconds thirteen seconds to throw the ball,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: the longest time to throw of the next Gen era
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: twelve point seventy five seconds, get some pressure on the quarterback,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure because as actually Bill said
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: it on TV on his seventeen Jobs that if you
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: can get pressure in the quarterback's face, well now he
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: can't step into the throw, and now he can't reach
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: the end zone.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: You know who did pressure? Didn't? Didn't Dan Campbell blitz
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: on a play action the other week? Yeah?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it depends on where you are on the field,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: because like if a go ball that like hits a
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: guy in stride can beat you, then you can't really all.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Out pressure like the thirty five Yeah yeah yeah.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: But if you're like if they have to throw at
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: sixty yards like Jayden Daniels had to do on Sunday,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: then throw the kitchen sink at him, Like what's gonna happen?
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: It's it's beyond me. Why we the to the two
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: man mush rush or I think the Chicago had a
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: spy on Jayden Daniels.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: I get that. I'll be honest, I get that. How
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: do you get that he's not gonna run for seventy yards?
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: You can get a chunk and then you get into
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: a lateral play and on that guy specifically. I get it.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying a real rush. I'm not saying all
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: out Billitz. I'm not saying game four four man.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe you throw a stunt in there something like that. Yeah,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: it's an interesting thought. The big thing is, don't this
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: is the way hail mary? That that part of the
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: reason that plays so perfectly. People think of hail Mary's
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: as like DeAndre Hopkins going up right in Arizona b Buffalo.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: Make No, that's not how most hail Marys are completed.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Most of them are who's the who's the furthest guy back,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: who's closest to the end line, And you're tree if
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: you're the offense trying to tip it back to that guy.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: If you're the defense trying to tip it forward. Uh.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: Great play by Noel Brown. Excellent, excellent play by Noel Brown. Terrible,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: zactly terrible play by Tyren Stevenson. That is such a
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: good meme though, where he's like Sandy, do you if
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: you look and you watch it, He's actually not taunting
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Washington fans. There's Bears fans there. He's like trying to
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: celebrate with them, and the ball gets snapped and all
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: the Bears fans are telling him like, no, go to
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: the play. It's happening. What a moment. That was awesome.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's my college football. He things really really quickly.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: Patriots injury report just came out, so he can add
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: this to the end.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: Of the das. No changes right from Yes, there are.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: Some changes, but in a good way. So Drake may
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: still listed as limited with the concussion, Christian Ellis limited
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: with an abdomen is a new one, Vederian low Back
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: limited participant with the ankle and shoulder, and Jacqueline Roy
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: also back with the neck injury that he missed practiced
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: last week, and Jalen Polk a full participant. So I
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: would expect that he's off the injury report by the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: end of the week and back on Sunday. But like
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: once again, Drake may officially limited again today with the concussion.
• 2:03:24
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