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College Football Needs a Fix: No More Cupcakes, 24-Team Playoff & Texas-OU Rivalry Week · Between Two Generations: A Father-Son Sportscast

0:02
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Between Two Generations, a father-son sports podcast, because raising a son is tough.
0:07
SPEAKER_01: But debating sports with me, now that's even tougher.
0:20
SPEAKER_01: All right, welcome back to Between Two Generations.
0:23
SPEAKER_01: Briggs, we're excited about this week's episode, buddy.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do it.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: Y'all, we got a good one today.
0:31
SPEAKER_01: Briggs is gonna lay down the case for why the college football regular season matchup should be completely remodeled.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: Then we're gonna hit y'all with since it's Red River Rivalry Week, we are going down with the dad versus son, Red River trivia style.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
0:46
SPEAKER_01: And Briggs speaks Saturday this weekend.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: And y'all, the end of the season just continuously needs to be redone in college football.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: So we are gonna lay down the case for and against the 2014 model of the college football playoff.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: One thing I gotta hit you with first, though, Briggs.
1:02
SPEAKER_01: Listen, do you know why an Oklahoma Sooner is required to put their diploma on their dashboard?
1:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh-oh.
1:09
SPEAKER_01: That way they can park in the handicapped parking spots.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't really get that one if I'm being real honest, but no.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you don't get oh see, do I gotta explain it?
1:19
SPEAKER_01: To park in the handicapped parking spots, you need a pass that says you're handicapped.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: So their pass is the fact that they graduated from Oklahoma Sumer means they're dumb.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, they are dumb.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: So got them.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: All right, buddy.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's get right into it.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: Hit us with your knowledge on the college football regular season remodel, buddy.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: What you got?
1:43
SPEAKER_00: All right, so I thought a lot about this and while I was, well, the other day I was working out and I was listening to, I don't know if you all know this, but The Herd is like my favorite podcast.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: Listen to it every time.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: Briggs was working out getting buffed.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: But um, but he made a really good point that I was like, Hold on, let me put a plug in for my son.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: When Briggs says he's been working out, like this kid has been working out.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: You will never see a 13-year-old so locked in.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm a brag for him.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: Kid has not a six pack, not a six-pack.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: Rose got an eight pack, I'm telling you.
2:13
SPEAKER_01: Anyways.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Looking good, buddy.
2:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm proud of you.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, but he he was saying that like the September season is just so silly, just cause Colin Coward.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: Um and y'all should see this guy's biceps and his traps, man.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm just stopping.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah, so he's saying September is just a silly season just cause we just have a bunch of just like useless games, you know?
2:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: Like we have a bunch of Ohio State, Kentucky State, Oregon, Old Dominion, you know, all that kind of stuff, and just like BYU Utah Tech, but like nobody wants to see that, you know?
2:45
SPEAKER_00: And nobody wants to see all these conference championship games and all that kind of stuff that we'll get into later by the end of the season.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: But right now, I I have a remodel that's just like how about instead of the first uh how about instead of the first four weeks in the past for history of college football has always been these dumb games, right?
3:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:04
SPEAKER_00: What if in every sing uh for the first four weeks there is you have about two or three ranked you have about two or three ranked games against every non-conference opponent.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: So it'd be like Miami going against Texas, you know, Notre Dame going against Ohio State, and then Georgia going against let's see, like Texas Tech or something.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: So there would be so much more Big 12 and just like all these fun games that we would see, you know, Clemson, more Clemson, LSU, more Clemson, Texas, Texas, Bama.
3:35
SPEAKER_00: Just more like beginning of season, like exciting games instead of just just blowout games.
3:40
SPEAKER_00: Just like let let the FPS, FCS, you know, teams just play each other.
3:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm sorry, but like I don't want to see Texas uh be like Texas State by 50, you know, like that's just boring.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: So right, exactly.
3:55
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so I think it'd just be way better if we switched the first four weeks to just every game it would be against a power four opponent, a power four, you know, conference opponent, and then like that.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: And then um at least half the games, especially for the big teams to be against rank opponents.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Because what you're talking about, that would make September awesome.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: So everybody is already super stoked that the it it's the you know, college football starting back up anyway.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: But man, like the uh so did you see that stat where that Texas Ohio State game set a record for milli for how many viewers watched?
4:25
SPEAKER_00: I imagine we had that every week.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: Every single week.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: Imagine we had uh then I imagine after that we had a Georgia Miami game in week two.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh like a we in week three, right after a Texas Ohio State game.
4:35
SPEAKER_00: Like you know how hyped that would be that'd be so good.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: Instead of them playing Yeah, any of those F FCS opponents, you know, in like Colorado State or something.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, think about that's a good point you made too about all the schools that aren't in the same conference that rarely ever see each other unless it's in the at the end of the year bowl game.
4:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:52
SPEAKER_01: Like imagine what was the one you were talking about earlier today at dinner, like Tennessee against um like uh Indiana.
4:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: Or something like that.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Tennessee, Indiana, that would be such a great game.
5:03
SPEAKER_00: And then Oregon, Oregon, like Georgia or something, you know.
5:07
SPEAKER_01: Oregon, Oregon, Texas, Oregon, Oklahoma, Oregon, LSU.
5:10
SPEAKER_00: Like all those kind of games, you know?
5:12
SPEAKER_00: So that's just my thought.
5:14
SPEAKER_00: And then it would just make the regular CC a lot more valuable, and to me, it would very much like to me it very much upgrade the kind of development of NFL of all these college kids, especially outside of the SEC, because SEC obviously everywhere it's gonna get developed.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: But outside of the SEC, right, you have ACC teams like Miami, right?
5:35
SPEAKER_00: Where K Ward a couple years ago left him, for example.
5:38
SPEAKER_00: He looked great, right?
5:40
SPEAKER_00: But now he's now he's in the NFL and he's not playing that well.
5:44
SPEAKER_00: But we I I guess I'll have to listen, and I still have to see something, you know.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: He has a month he until November, I mean I'm gonna give him a pass, but start starting November I gotta see something, but um yeah, I gotta see something for K Ward this year, but so far he's been a bust.
5:57
SPEAKER_00: And then he played in the AC ACC, and you know, ACC doesn't have a lot of teams.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, really, it's only Miami.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: And then maybe Louisville, maybe SMU, but that's it.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: And SEC every other week.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Texas, for example, they have here, let me pull up.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: They have Texas, we okay.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: First off, we go to Oklahoma.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, not we go to Oklahoma, we go to Red River bottom.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: You're talking about Texas's upcoming schedule, how it's tough.
6:20
SPEAKER_00: So let me just give you like a tech on SEC schedule, right?
6:23
SPEAKER_00: Hit us, hit us with it.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so Texas, we play Oklahoma, and after that, we play Florida, and then Ole Miss and give their ranking too as you read it off.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Florida, so tex so we play Oklahoma, but they're on, you know, they're they're obviously still.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: Well they suck now.
6:37
SPEAKER_00: They started the season pretty season 10, top 10.
6:39
SPEAKER_00: It's still the Red River Rivals, though, so I'll be tough.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: But then we play Florida, number 16, wasn't in top 10, but then I solved questions after that game.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: That was really weird.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: They just got freaking dominating.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: And then they play Ole Miss, top 10 scene, number nine, Mississippi State, Kamanio Taylor, and Missouri, number 14.
6:54
SPEAKER_00: And then we go to LCU.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and then we get a break.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and then we go to play Texas Ana in another rivalry game.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm laughing because you said we get a break.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're conveniently leaving out that we do actually still play a game that weekend, but who is it against?
7:09
SPEAKER_01: Arkansas.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: Arkansas.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: That's basically a break.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's like it's like it's one of it's one of the old it's one of the very few bad SEC teams.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: If not.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: Everybody is ranking this year's college Texas's schedule the hardest in college football history.
7:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm that's definitely number one this season alone.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: I will say though, they do have Florida Omis and Mississippi Mississippi State all at home.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: Which is so that helps.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: But then they have Missouri and LCU after that.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: So for it.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: For Texas, this is a side note from the college football remodel, but for Texas, even if they go six and two in that remaining eight game schedule, they're still making the playoff.
7:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: Now they, of course, we won a first round bye in top four seed, of course.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: But but at least six and two in that stretch, very, very doable.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: So that's since we are already overcame Tennessee and Ohio State, Texas is in a good position this year.
7:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, keep going.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: This is good stuff.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, it's also to me, I feel like we should just copy what the NFL does, right?
8:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, everybody loves the NFL, there's not really any criticism of the NFL.
8:08
SPEAKER_00: And this to me would allow of more of an NFL like CFB model, right?
8:13
SPEAKER_00: Where every week is a tough game, you know?
8:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:16
SPEAKER_00: And unless you're playing t Tennessee, where they're just horrible and the worst roster ever.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, and then yeah, so teams always like in you know, Big 12, right?
8:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, BYU, we don't play anybody until we we got lucky this year with Notre Dame, but last year we only had really had to play uh Texas Tech and Utah.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: But like that our our life so much more like teams just have better chances to just to show, you know, and have more chances to show people, you know, what they can do, and obviously they're probably gonna lose if they're not that great, but yeah, I just feel like it'll be better dealt better development and it's more of an NFL model and it'll just be overall greater for fans and all that.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: If we just got rid of those stupid flowout games.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: And you know, this model too, I think I see two pen benefits with it, where losing isn't gonna kill you if you lose one of these top matchups because you know that consistently across the board, everyone is required to play a challenging schedule.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: Like last season, remember how Texas had one of the hardest schedules again, took on Ohio State, lost barely, and that ended up being what kept him out of the playoff.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: No other people are gonna be like, well, they also lost to an unring Florida.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: Listen, it doesn't matter.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: If they had two losses instead of three, they'd have been in.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: We all know this.
9:25
SPEAKER_01: So they got they they essentially did get punished for that.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: Now though, um, your strength of schedule has to matter, and so a three-loss team compared to another three loss team, or a three-loss team compared to a two-loss team, you're pretty much guaranteed that that actually means something.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: If you have a two-loss with Texas' schedule, with a Texas schedule compared to a three loss, you'll know that that um to go just two losses compared to three in this model means something.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: You're like, yeah, that for sure means that two loss team gets in.
9:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:57
SPEAKER_01: Remember how Miami got in over Texas and everyone was like a nine in three Texas is better than Miami.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: Now that kind of backfired on us last year because Miami went to the national championship.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: But even still, the point the point is still valid.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I see two um two things about why they do play these cupcake schedules, at least maybe one of them or two.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: The way that I see it, and the way that I understand it, is the the the the money reason.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: So for these for the small schools, they it's a huge revenue generator when they get to go play these big time schools like Texas State playing in Texas, they got paid a ton.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: Like that's the most they're gonna get paid out of every single game.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: So the small schools obviously want to come and play, even though you know they get absolutely manhandled.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: Money-wise, um, it works out for them.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: The other reason is they actually do get better visibility for the players that are on their rosters, because with the transfer portal as being such a big deal, they get more eyes on their on their stud guys, and then therefore those those student athletes get more opportunity to get recruited to these other places.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: But with with the way recruiting and NIL is, there's so much millions of dollars that are going into analyzing all these prospects at smaller schools that I don't think one game here and there against a lot of people.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: And the best players should just go to the power four, right?
11:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: Where they they will eventually play a really good team.
11:13
SPEAKER_00: So Yep.
11:14
SPEAKER_01: So I I I like I wasn't thinking about this until you started bringing this up today, but I don't know.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: I uh don't w really what you're saying is don't give me, you know, more playoff football, because we're gonna talk about 24 teams here in a minute.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: So don't give me more playoff football while protecting meaningless regular season football.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Give us both.
11:33
SPEAKER_01: The regular season.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Both regular season and therefore more uh 2014 playoff because it'll be more meaningful, more than that.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: And then get rid of the college championship, which we'll talk about too.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: Money point, money point.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: Let's go, Briggs.
11:44
SPEAKER_01: Love it.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: All right, welcome back.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: Time to play our game.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: This is in honor of Red Rivalry Week.
12:01
SPEAKER_01: Did I say that right?
12:02
SPEAKER_01: Red Rivalry Week.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: Red River.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, week.
12:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, say that 10 times fast.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna end up Wed Wivel, Wivel Week.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: Way wivel wivel.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: You starting to sound like an Oklahoma sooner.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: Got him.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: All right.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: We are gonna play Red River Rivalry Trivia, Dad versus Sun style.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna list off 10 trivia questions and let's see how many Briggs can get right.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Now, officially, I do not know what these questions are, and I do not know what some of the answers are.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: But first, buddy, I got a little question for you.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Why does Oklahoma have artificial turf?
12:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: Because even the grass refuses to live in Oklahoma.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: Bro, these are sad, bro.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: Not gonna lie.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: I know, I got one more.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: All right.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh hey, you got any idea what Oklahoma's biggest export is?
12:59
SPEAKER_01: What?
13:00
SPEAKER_01: People moving to Texas.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: Freak.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: Oklahoma coked.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, here's one.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: Here's one.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: This one's a decent roast.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: These all suck.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: I know, but here's one more.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: Let me try this one.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: Let's see if this one lands.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: Texas has Bivo.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: Oklahoma has a wagon.
13:18
SPEAKER_01: Nothing strikes fear into your opponent like 19th century transportation.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm so afraid of a wagon.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: All right.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: The internet didn't deliver on those roasts, but let's move on to trivia.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: All right, here's here we go.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Question number Uno.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: Who leads the all-time Texas versus Oklahoma series?
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Texas.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: You got any idea what the what the rundown is?
13:40
SPEAKER_01: How many wins and losses?
13:42
SPEAKER_01: 59, 51.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: You know what?
13:44
SPEAKER_01: You're actually pretty close.
13:45
SPEAKER_01: It's 65 to 51.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: All right.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: And there are some ties in there, but that's gonna be a question later.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: So, you know that, you know, Briggs, that means if you're uh an Oklahoma fan, you know, you start thinking about historical dominance, just politely introduce them to mathematics and you'll roast them pretty good.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: Question two.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: What was the score of the first Texas Oklahoma football game?
14:05
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
14:06
SPEAKER_01: Just take a guess.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh 31-24.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: Pretty pretty close, except not really.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Texas 28, Oklahoma 2.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, two?
14:14
SPEAKER_01: Can you guess the year?
14:15
SPEAKER_01: What year was the very first matchup?
14:16
SPEAKER_01: 1919.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: 1900.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: 1900 was the first game.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: So we've been beating Oklahoma since then.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: Love it.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: Question three.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: What is Texas's largest victory ever over Oklahoma?
14:28
SPEAKER_01: A, you want me to give you multiple choice options?
14:31
SPEAKER_01: A 45 to 12, B 49 to 0, C 52 to 7, D 63 to 14.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: Well we do math on.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: You want me to give you a hint?
14:42
SPEAKER_00: I s I think I know a couple years ago we smacked the crap out of them.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: I want to go 49-0.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: Wasn't that like in 2023?
14:49
SPEAKER_00: Dude, you want to.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, 2024.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: 2022.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: 22-2024.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well there you go.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: You nailed the score.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: It was 49-0 and it was 2022.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Texas piled up a total of 585 yards that game.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: We held OU to 195, handed opening.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: 49 to 0.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: Question four, what I remember that game.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: That was fun.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: That was a fun one.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were that was so fun.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, but what's Techlist uh okay, what's Oklahoma's biggest victory over Texas?
15:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Let me give you a hint.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: This one happened way back.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: Wait, it's the 65, like 13 one or something.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Close.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: That was a that that was you're thinking of the Adrian Peterson game where he ran all over us.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: That one hurt back in the early 2000s.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: But the answer is actually 50 to 0, and that was back in 1908.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: I'll be real honest, I did not hear, like, I did not hear the the the questions, not gonna lie.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: But hey, hey, I've had a good guest, yeah.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: So um, congratulations, Oklahoma.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: Your biggest win happened when the forward pass was basically a new invention, 1908.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: Feel good about that, Oklahoma, boomer soomers, whatever the heck that is.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wait, wait, what's a boomer sooner?
16:02
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
16:03
SPEAKER_01: I think I gotta roast on here about that.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
16:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:07
SPEAKER_01: Alright, why is the Red River rivalry played in Dallas instead of Austin or Norman?
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Norman, Oklahoma.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: Because it's like a Red River separating the two states or something, and then state fair.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: So Dallas provided it's a real simple answer.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: Dallas provided a neutral setting between the programs.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: It's literally about halfway between each place, so they just decided to do that.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: And so the game's been a state fair tradition since 1929.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: So no magic there, no roast.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: It's just literally the halfway point.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but the cool thing is how they split it.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: All right, so here's question number six.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: How are Texas and Oklahoma fans seated inside the cotton bowl?
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Half and half?
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's it's half and half.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: The stadium is literally divided almost perfectly at midfield.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: It's the coolest thing.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: So tickets are divided evenly.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, it creates the very cool burnt orange versus crimson split at the 50-yard line.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: It's actually one of the coolest images.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: So we'll have to put post one of those up.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: It's sweet.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, question seven.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: What does the winner of Texas OU get to take home?
17:06
SPEAKER_01: That golden cowboy hat.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: You nailed it.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: Golden hat.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: State fair donated the trophy back in 1941.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: Here's the sneaky trivia part.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: It was originally called the bronze hat because it actually was bronze.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: It was later reworked and became the golden hat.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: So, Briggs, golden hat or bronze hat?
17:23
SPEAKER_01: Which name sounds cooler?
17:24
SPEAKER_01: Golden.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: Golden hat.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: And Texas has won it way more times.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: Question eight: which of these Red River games required four overtimes?
17:34
SPEAKER_01: 2008, 2018, 2020, or 2023?
17:40
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't 2023.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna guess.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you would have been seven back last year to give you a hint.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: 2020.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: There you go, 2020.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: So Oklahoma eventually did beat Texas 53 to 45 in four overtimes.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: It's still one of the craziest games in rivalry history.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: That was fun.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: That was a fun game.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Alright.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: Fun fact about that one though, OU was supposed to be heavily, heavily favored over us because that's that's during Texas's down years.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: And was that during Leek and Riley?
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: Um all right, question nine.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: What is the highest scoring Red River rivalry game ever?
18:18
SPEAKER_01: So was it that one?
18:21
SPEAKER_01: It actually just close, but no, it actually is a different one.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: Um so guess the total combined points.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: You know, like 100 points, 110, 115.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay, close.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: So it's 103 points, and it was in 2021.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Oklahoma 55, Texas 48.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Dang.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dang.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: But here's what makes that game nuts.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So Texas actually led 28-7 after the first quarter before Oklahoma came all the way back.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: Dang, that sucks for us.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: What the heck?
18:47
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, you know what's worse, losing 49-0 or blowing a 28-7 first quarter lead?
18:55
SPEAKER_01: 49-0.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, yeah, exactly.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, tech Texas, Texas won 49-0.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: But we blew the 28-7 lead.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: All right, last question.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Great final question here.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Texas and Oklahoma have played more than 120 times.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: How many ties have there been?
19:11
SPEAKER_01: 14.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: Five.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Five, five of them.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: So total tally.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: Texas 65 wins.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Oklahoma 51.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: You stink.
19:20
SPEAKER_01: Ties five.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: All right.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: So one of the what so one of the coolest was back in 1984, the year your dad was born, Texas was number one and Oklahoma was number two.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: They tied 15 to 15.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Kind of a fun fact.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Why do you I would hate to tie it?
19:35
SPEAKER_01: That might be the worst feeling ever in sports.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm with you there.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: That would be that'd be horrible.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: Why would why would you allow the rules to end in a tie?
19:42
SPEAKER_01: NFL does that during the regular season.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: That's horrible.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: It's the worst thing ever.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: Just give more.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: Go to sudden death.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Do what college does and just make you score at the two-yard line.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: They did not have this rule back in back then where you know you you gotta go for two until the winner finally doesn't score.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I wish they had that back then.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: That's just the worst.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: Alright.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: Um let me find this one about the boomer sumer.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: There's gotta be one.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, here it is, Briggs.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Ready for this roast?
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Drum roll, please.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Please be good.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: OU fans keep yelling boomer sooner.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Which makes sense.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Their favorite thing to talk about is usually something that happened 20 years ago.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't get it.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: That one sucks.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Dude, all right, the roast did not deliver this time.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: These were Google.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: These were Google.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: Google Google into the ChatGBT.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those were Google.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Those were I'm never using Google for my roast again.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Alright, we out.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: Alright, buddy.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: Last segment for today.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, we got to talk about the college football playoff scenario.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: There's a whole lot of hoopla.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: We just went to 12 games a couple seasons ago, 12 teams, I mean.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: Now they're talking about expanding it to 24.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: Some people want to go back to the just the four.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: I you know, never.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Lay down some wisdom, buddy.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: What what's going on here?
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, I think first off, we need to get rid of conference championships just because there are so and they're just so much more useless than what they were.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're really never that valuable until I mean until the 12 team College Foot playoff got created.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, yeah, I mean, it just they're just useless now.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're just dumb w games that we have to play, and especially last year.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Indiana Ohio State game.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was a great game, but it didn't really do anything, you know?
21:21
SPEAKER_00: Indiana's probably gonna be the number one team, and Ohio State's probably uh was probably just gonna be a top five team, top three team again.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't really do anything, honestly.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're just becoming more and more useless.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: And I think so I think that we should get rid of the Commerce Championship week and then just have that as just be a permanent bye week for everybody, right?
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Well everybody, I guess, in the college football playoff that's going to.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: And then how many teams will be in the college football playoff?
21:46
SPEAKER_00: I think it should be twenty four.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: And then because I just think that twenty four just the more the more than Mary, honestly, and you know, the March Madness.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's sixty four teams, and I I mean, I love March Madness.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: It's like the greatest the greatest thing ever.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: It might be better than Christmas.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean I I don't have exact like I haven't I haven't dove deep into the into like what I think the actual model should be.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: But I think a good basis it would just be first twelve the twelve seed the f the top twelve seeds just get a bye the the thir seeds thir thirteen through twenty-four should just play each other and then and then yeah just end it so forth.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: I think that'd be so cool.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: Just have more teams and all that just fun stuff and just make it longer just and replace the and then just have a little bit of a break for everybody with the just make the comedy championship a by or not even just like move the first round of the playoff to the to the common championships because they're just so useless and we don't need them and we already know what the true best team of the team is in the SEC and in the after the regular season.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: That's an interesting I wasn't thinking about that earlier.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Well because we don't need because like Yeah yeah that well that kind of ties into remodeling the college football regular season with a 24 team playoff do you need conference championships?
22:57
SPEAKER_01: No.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: You know you don't and and right now they don't really they're kind Yeah I like that.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah you know because normal as it is right now it seems like that'd be a fun stat to go back and research.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: Here's my thought what if two conference champions in all of the power four conferences like think of the Big Ten uh players the the SEC, the ACs well not the Big 12.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Well okay you know what really this is just the Big Ten and the SEC.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah but whoever plays in those two games they're pretty much guaranteed to be in the college football playoff no matter if you win or loss.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: At that point they're just playing for positioning.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: Right?
23:35
SPEAKER_01: But I think you can really get rid of that to make room for more time in a playoff because I think there is way more excitement over the college football playoff than a conference championship from a fan perspective and so therefore a money perspective.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: And if and if you can design it in a way to where it really only betters the actual competitive product on the field yeah that's a win for everybody.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: Dude I didn't think about that that's a money point.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: Keep going.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Keep going.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: And yeah I mean look it just it just makes things so much fun just so much more big games honestly just throughout the week.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean especially in if you do my model where we just replace all the first seat all the first four weeks and I just haven't been replaced by all the good games and we just have like it would just be f good football throughout you know it would be October best it would just be October through November just best football ever.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: Just every week just always just highlight games and and then yeah especially in the playoff I mean look I don't I don't have too much analysis on this but the more the merrier.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean 24 teams in the playoffs would be so fun just imagine how many especially in this Christmas time everybody loves Christmas.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean just Christmas football it's snowing and then you know you get your hot chop and you watch some football.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean that that just sounds peak life to me.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine an amazing playoff college football playoff game in the snow at Michigan Stadium, the big house or Ohio State Stadium.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah and you don't have to be a top 12 team I mean night game in Tennessee under those lights at that awesome stadium.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Like that would be also expanding it to 24 teams would also allow maybe like a Boise State if they went undefeated, you know and a Boise State or like a North Texas if they were undefeated to have a chance, you know, be a 20 to 24 seed, you know there might even be a couple of those in there.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah right?
25:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean it would allow more teams more just more fun maybe you know?
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: And maybe they can pro and then just more opportunities to have miracle upsets and all and more just historical legendary stuff.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: Well see that's one of the that's one of the great things I mean think about it.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Let's go down memory lane real quick just off the top of your brain let's compare college basketball March Madness compared to uh the tournament or whatever it's been for college football, right?
25:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: March madness, you automatically think of all these Cinderella stories.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing like that in college football.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: No.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: There's absolutely not the closest thing comes is that 1984 BYU championship.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean Lavelle Edwards was great but BYU no one was like afraid of them being a national champion that year.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: It happened but outside of that think of a a true Cinderella story in college football right?
26:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh no yeah it's hard right um but but then in the college in the college game we consider Cinderella stories small teams that aren't supposed to advance very far making it to the sweet 16.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Now none of them have actually gone on and won the real championship but at least they have extra rounds of teams and it makes it I mean imagine imagine a a 20 to 24 seed like a Memphis or a BS or uh BYU even Boise State.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah um well no we're way better than Boise State I'm just I know but it's people still put us in those categories but like in the first round of the playoffs and we haven't really mapped out how the seedings would go but let's say you have a number 25 team or number 24 Boise State against against a number 11 Tennessee.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Or Mississippi State.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Or Mississippi State and Boise State beats them and then they go to the quarterfinals and they're up against the number six Ole Miss and then beats them.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: And then now they're in the center final or like quarterfinals or something like that.
26:57
SPEAKER_01: Quarterfinals whatever it be and they would get shellacked maybe but you know how much excitement that would be until that point?
27:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah that makes money for them too here's what I see also as a cool oh go ahead.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: And that would also allow them to make you know their money that they might be missing.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely I have no idea how the money works in this but from both but here's the thing and frick money both college football fan and an actual college player standpoint, you know college players would be hyped to play these games.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah absolutely hype.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: But here's the other thing here's what I here's what I really like about it too.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: And I just thought of this while you were talking think about um November and even yeah really November in college where your favorite team already has like three losses or four even.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: And then you're like oh and you're like oh man we're out of the 12 team or we're out of the top four right you're you're you're you're done at that point.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: And then it's like and then you play a stupid bowl game a bowl game like the cheese it bowl.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Nobody cares about the cheese it bowl.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean come on right but this way more more teams are going to be alive in November it was it's gonna create more opportunity more fan engagement more fun football let's do this.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh dude and then think of all the home playoff games like with the 12 teams oh my gosh imagine BYU hosting like Tennessee or something yeah fun I mean we're getting Notre Dame here in a couple weeks and we're so hyped for that I still know if I want to go to that game or not.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: That stadium is going to be incredible.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly why we want to go to that game.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: We just Briggs says that because we love hearing the analysis of the TV commentators because they give such good info yeah for me watching football I can watch football for a full 85 five million hours straight I mean I just analyze everything and I just love football.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: Y'all don't know understand it's my life y'all don't understand what this kid is saying.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: He has a notebook out on his lap taking notes at while he's watching these no especially when Joe I I've probably watched 100% of the Cincinnati Bengals snaps this season.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: So I can give you anything you want Joe Burrow yeah exactly.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: I you know the other the other thing is um the end of this end of the year remember last year we made that Instagram post about white Texas and call it and be where you should be in yeah and it went like whatever viral is like a hundred thousand had a hundred thousand views you and I'd Instagram posts because we simply debated that they should be in yeah right well this settles all those arguments on the field there's no more oh man they would be in this within this once you're the only case you have is like we were ranked 25 or 26 we should have got in over the 24.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Nobody really resolved that football exactly you're solving with more football more fun more everything.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: Yep exactly yeah um that sounds yeah especially during Christmas time with Christmas tree oh I can I can do that forever.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah watch just watch football and big games like that.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah exactly yeah the uh the some of the quick things that I'm thinking about by having um a 2014 playoff is and the the things is there's more physical games so is there gonna be a potential for more injury?
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah and is that gonna lose some of the competition because you're losing big titles in a game if you did my model then you would be playing more tough games than the beginning of the season.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: So maybe I'd I'd rather sacrifice the beginning of the year kind of the beginning of the year kind of thing that we've always been doing for for a 2014 playoff but hey if we keep doing this 12 team playoff model then let's let's do the beginning of those four week season thing that's not the other the other thing I heard from some other podcast guys and I don't know if I agree with this but they brought this up the first round could produce a lot of blowouts but if you think about it we already get a lot of blowouts.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: Like in the 12 team playoff we had a ton of blowouts.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: So is this going to bring more blowouts?
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Possibly but it would be worth it for at least one Cinderella team every year to just kind of go on a run.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: Maybe just one every two years I mean something like that.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean blowouts are gonna happen but even still if you have like a number 10 going taking a 23 there's gonna be plenty amount of 23 ranked teams that take it to number 10 teams.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah especially if it was like Oregon for example you know like we know we all know that they can be a top five team in the well maybe not but we know they know they could be a top 10 team in the country.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: They just haven't executed and then like it would be maybe Ohio State losing another game so it'd be like a Ohio State versus Oregon I mean that could be very much be an upset there you know so it's just those things that we have you have to add if you were to do a 2014 playoff.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: But yeah more football.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: So love it more football.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: Let's go all right buddy well that uh that brings a wrap on this episode you know what I feel like we were doing there on this episode bro I think we were aura farming no cap.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah we were mogging the com we were mogging everybody.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: We were mogging everybody?
31:35
SPEAKER_01: What is what did we do there?
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what mogging is I don't actually know.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: All I know is it's like whenever you're you're you're looking really good and you're mogging somebody uh I mean like physically good it's like it's like hey look at my side profile.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: I I mean yeah you're close.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm kind of glazing you right now with the W.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: Are you fixing to crash out?
31:53
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm locked in standing on business.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Are you are you looking at Google right now?
31:58
SPEAKER_01: I sure am okay that's because I'm busting Riz, unc.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: That's bad.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: I haven't said any of those words in months bro it's been ages oh your dad had so much fun pulling these put the fries in the bag bro is not generational