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Unlocking the Secrets of Hair Regrowth - Episode 322 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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Everything is on top of the head because our head is like a chimney, right?
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All the heat comes up.
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If you take a infrared thermal image of your anybody's head, you can see most of the heat is escaping just like a chimney up.
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And if you look at how people lose their hair is because there is a lot of excess heat on top of here.
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And never, that's why you never see people with hair loss on the sides.
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They always hit on top.
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And the reason why it's on top is because there is a lot of growth.
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If you notice, endogenic alopecia is really malassezia fervor.
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It's a fungal load on top of your head.
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Yes, DHT is an assassin to the hair.
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So that's all its roles.
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The only role for DHT is to kill hair.
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Now, what it does is that when it sees an inflammatory process anywhere in the body, it sends DHT and it kills it.
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That's why the top of the head is usually eradicated.
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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden and Longevity podcast, where we're focused on answering the five big questions in the world.
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How good can we be?
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How do we make 100 a new 30?
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How do we live well beyond 120?
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How do we live young for a lifetime?
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And how do we develop a 300, maybe 3000 year old mind?
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And today I'm on a conversation with a PhD, Tamim Hamid, T-A-M-I-M-H-A-M-I-D.
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Very interesting guy.
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He's a biomedical engineer.
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started off at NASA, you'll hear a little bit about that, but he's developed probably the world's best hair regrowth laser helmet.
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ah And we go down the rabbit hole in terms of how this thing works, why we lose hair.
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I think if you have any interest in optimizing your hair, you're going to want to listen to this podcast.
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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Jeffrey Gladden, and I'm here with Tamim Hamid.
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Tamim, welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Jeff.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm very excited to hear our talk today.
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Yeah.
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Well, you've probably been looking at my hairline and thinking maybe, there's no judgment.
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I'm happy.
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But the, the thing that you seem to have, um, kind of honed in on is, um, is hair and hair and regrowth and things like that.
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When do you, when do you tell the audience a little bit about how you got interested in that?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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My background is biomedical engineering.
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have my PhD in biomedical engineering.
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So in order for somebody to be a good biomedical engineer, they have to be good electrical or mechanical.
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So my undergraduate was in electrical engineering and then my master's in computer engineering.
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And my first job at a school, was NASA.
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So at NASA, I was trained for, I developed lasers for the space shuttle.
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And so I did that for 10 years.
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And after...
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What are the lasers doing up there?
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This sounds very Star Wars-y.
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Yeah, so we use lasers for all kinds of applications.
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One of them was for the invention that I came up with was for the thermal protection system.
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There's about 25,000 tiles thermal protection system for reentry.
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And the way they were doing it before, they're made out of silica.
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And it's just like your bathroom tiles, right?
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Your bathroom tiles, if you have a little step or a gap, or you kind of stub your toe in case one's a little bit higher than the other.
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Well, in a space shuttle, if one is higher or wider than others, it can cause catastrophic mission critical destruction because it heats up, it's called eddy currents and blows up
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space shuttle just like Columbia did.
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Columbia suffered the same fate.
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uh
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issue, wasn't it?
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Wasn't one of the tiles that are...
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of the tiles came off during launch.
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And when it came off during launch, it hit one of the right wing and it created a hole in it.
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when they didn't know it, but when they came back in, it just blew up that whole right wing first and then it disintegrated.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, I actually saw that happen.
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Yeah, I was outside.
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I looked up in the sky.
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I was in Dallas.
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I'm in Texas, Dallas, Texas.
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I'm outside with my bicycle.
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I have to look up in the sky.
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I knew the space shuttle coming back in and I had no idea what was happening.
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I looked up in the sky and I saw this bright thing and then I saw this thing going into pieces across the sky and it was like, oh my gosh, what just happened?
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Because it ended up landing.
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east of Dallas, about, I don't know, 100 miles east of Dallas, but I actually saw the thing happen.
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It was like, oh my gosh, unbelievable.
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that those little tiles they they're made out of silica like just sand and but they protect
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2000 to 3000 degrees Celsius.
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That's how much heat is generated.
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That's why everything comes down very, very fast from space, but it up very fast too.
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Thank God.
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I just read someplace yesterday, the other day that there's about one Starlink satellite that falls almost every day.
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yeah, and so, but nobody will ever know about it because it's, they burn up, they burn up.
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Yeah.
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yeah, that was my job.
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I came up with a way to use a laser to measure the step and in the gap between the tiles.
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They used to be, they used to do what's called shim guards and they used to use shims just like your spark plug or whatever.
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you used to, they used to put the shims in and if it was just tight enough, it'd be good.
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But we got rid of that.
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Now it used to take six weeks to process a shuttle from a flight to the next flight, six to eight weeks, but we got it down to less than a week because they're using, you know,
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25,000 tiles times, you know, man hours.
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That's a lot of man hours.
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And so, yeah, so my laser was able to do that and there's other applications for laser, but it was all fun.
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It was all laser.
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So you were doing this with NASA, so that's interesting, but then what happened after NASA?
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So then after NASA, I went into the opposite of space.
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I went and developed a gastrointestinal videoendoscopy.
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So I went from deep space down to the inner space of humanity.
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Okay, I thought you were gonna do, tell me you were a submarine operator, but okay, so.
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no.
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So yeah, I came up with...
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with, and Natalie used lasers too by the way, but for sensing, but one of the things that I said, uh at that time I did get my PhD in biomedical engineering at the end of NASA.
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Thank God, you know, I thank NASA all the time for putting me through my doctoral program pro bono.
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So I went into biomedical, the true biomedical engineering, developed gastrointestinal video endoscopy systems and you know, from swallable
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pills that have cameras in them, All kinds of cool things.
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Yeah, very cool.
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And so that led you somehow into hair.
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So.
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and eventually I was still interested in lasers.
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So I was uh reading, actually I was reading this paper a while back and I had developed a laser already, my own laser because I wanted, there was an application that I was really
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interested in.
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If you notice your mouse, underneath your mouse, there's a red light, the old mouse that you have on your desktop and everything.
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Some people use it.
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But underneath that mouse, there's a little red light.
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That red light is a type of laser that is called a VEXEL.
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And the VEXEL is a very low-power laser.
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And so I developed a device similar to that, but for medical applications.
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And I was wondering what the
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applications might be for this.
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And I was scratching my head and I ran into this paper, as I mentioned, that really back in 1965 when the laser was invented, a physician in Hungary
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was wondering what lasers can do.
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And so this guy, this physician went and tried to irradiate mice with lasers and see if it causes any cancer.
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So unfortunately it didn't cause any cancer, but it grew their hairs back and the one that he shaved.
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So it was in German, so I had to translate it and I went ahead and looked at it go, my gosh, this would be a very good application if I can
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the wavelength and can tune the dosage to the same application or clinical trial that happened in 1965 and it was a lost, lost paper that nobody really addressed and so that's
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what I did.
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I said maybe I can take this paper and create a device with, I started out with 80 lasers and so just to get the coverage of everything.
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So it sounds like it must be a helmet that you created that has 80 different lasers that are focused at the same.
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So if somebody held their mouse up to their head, they could grow hair at their temple.
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oh
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unfortunately, uh those are, it's all based on wattage, you just like your light bulb, right?
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You have a hundred watt light bulb or a five, yeah, it's, so we're more in a hundred watt light bulb range without producing heat.
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The mice is around one milli, one watt, not even, not even.
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So you can do it, you can even try to put your headlights on.
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on your head somehow, you know, just sit in front of your car and you get a little bit of red light in there.
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There's red and you know, invisible light spectrum.
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But it take you, you know, a million years.
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Yeah, we don't have a million years to give.
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apparently you found a shortcut.
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uh just so we're clear, the laser in your mouse is the same wavelength as what's in these lasers?
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Or it's?
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we use a different wavelength.
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So I had to change a lot of things.
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That's why I had to create my own.
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The wavelengths change, the dosage thing, the jewels change, and also the focal point, getting it down to.
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A mouse just looks at the desktop.
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We were looking for specific elements.
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For example, you know, the hair follicle, which is about eight degrees.
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That's what we're looking for.
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So when you say it's eight degrees, what do you mean eight degrees?
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Yeah, so eight degrees is...
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So what you want to do is get as focused with the laser beam as possible, but without putting a lens on there.
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So if you probably notice, you have those laser pointers that you can have and you chase your cats around or...
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whatever you do with laser pointers, those have a lens on it.
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Unfortunately, you can't use lenses on applications for biological like that because there's heat issues and everything.
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So the eight degrees is because you want the laser light to penetrate deep and eight degrees is perfect because you want to get deep as deep as you can.
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The hair follicles about five
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millimeter below the scalp surface.
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So if you get it down deep it's it's almost similar to taking a if you want to
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dig a post hole, you use a post hole digger.
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And that post hole digger is very narrow or a spade or some type of instrument that can penetrate the earth.
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Now, uh you wouldn't use like a snow shovel to do that.
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That's the example of like more than 40 degrees kind of type of uh angle.
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So we try to get it between eight degrees and...
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Okay, so it's eight degrees from perpendicular is what you're saying.
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Okay, all right.
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So the eight degrees is eight degrees off perpendicular oh to your scalp.
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Just so the audience can understand what we're trying to say here.
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So they're pointing the light at the head, but it's eight degrees off uh perpendicular to that part of the scalp.
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So this is in a helmet.
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Is that correct?
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Or what does this look like?
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Yes, okay.
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a helmet.
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And that's the only form factor that I can really come up with.
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It took a while to come up with the helmet because it fitting, you know, 80 lasers on one battery.
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Mm-hmm.
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miraculous enough, right?
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That's like, that I never did before.
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That took all my, that took all my PhD, took, took all my NASA training to do 80 lasers with drive-in by one, but size of a AA battery.
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Yeah, it's.
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almost impossible to get enough power to do that, but...
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Yeah, it's not the power, it's the current, right?
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If you have, if you can take the current and then distribute it and then get it down to a 5 volt system.
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That's the other thing.
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People want the iPhone took everything down to 5 volts, right?
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Every year you plug in your Android is 5 volts, everything.
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So getting everything down to 5 volts and then running.
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80 lasers in all a steady state.
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For 20 minutes it has to stay at a certain power distribution, power energy, energy density, everything.
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For 20 minutes, that was a challenge.
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Sure.
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That's interesting.
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So what I'm understanding is that no matter where the hair loss is occurring, that the helmet is going to treat the entire head.
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Is that correct?
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Okay.
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Yeah, and really the male and female pattern baldness happens from right here all the way back to back here.
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And the reason why it happens here above is because
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He's talking about above the temples and then back towards the crown of the head.
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ah
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I'm sorry.
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I should do that.
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Everything is on top of the head because our head is like a chimney, right?
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All the heat comes up.
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If you take a infrared thermal image of your anybody's head, you can see most of the heat is escaping just like a chimney up.
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And if you look at how people lose their hair is because there is a lot of excess heat on top of here.
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And never, that's why you never see people with hair loss on the sides.
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They always hit on top.
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And the reason why it's on top is because there is a lot of growth.
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If you notice, endogenic alopecia is really malassezia fervor.
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It's a fungal load on top of your head.
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And fungus grows when you have heat and moisture.
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So when you have heat and moisture, you have a lot of load of fungi.
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So...
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are you, know, the hypothesis here is that, well, what's, let me, so a fungus is growing on top of your head.
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That's why you're losing your hair.
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That's what I'm hearing.
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But then what about the genetic predisposition for, for hair loss?
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Yes, so about, you know, probably about half the population is allergic to malasseziar fervor.
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Malasseziar fervor, this fungus, is in between your toes.
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If you wear tight shoes, if you wear, let's say, underwear or undergarment,
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or if women with size D or size bigger breasts, if they have generate heat in their breasts, they all have malassezia fervor because it grows when there's heat and moisture.
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So those areas have a lot of fungi.
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And so...
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about half the population, and you've probably seen this if you go in a health club or back when you were young, when you were in a team, you would see some guys really
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suffering from fungi, know, athlete's foot or jock it, whatever you want to call it.
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But you didn't get affected by it because you weren't allergic to it.
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That's the reason why.
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Some people are allergic to it and some people aren't.
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If you're allergic to it, you will lose hair.
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been proven in two clinical studies, one from Iran and one from Korea.
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It said everyone that they tested that had hair loss was also had a lot of fungal load of malassezia fervor and they had lost their hair.
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That's fascinating.
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So, and this is true across different races.
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Everybody.
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The study was done in Korea and in the Middle East.
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Yeah, everywhere.
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Okay.
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So that's fascinating.
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So then what does the laser do?
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Because apparently the shampoos or whatever that people are using is not getting rid of the fungus is what you're saying.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah, the fungus, don't get rid of the fungus.
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The lasers do not do fungus.
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We recommend an anti-fungal shampoo.
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If you have any kind of type of hair loss, always use an anti-fungal shampoo.
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That's why head and shoulders...
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What's an example of an antifungal shampoo?
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So Head and Shoulders is a good one.
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It's most popular.
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It's been the number one shampoo in the world since 1955.
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The reason why it's been the number one shampoo and it's everywhere.
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You can go find it in Indonesia and Philippines and South Africa because half the population is allergic to Malassezia fervor and dandruff is a byproduct of Malassezia
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fervor.
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Okay.
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So that's what the fungi does.
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The fungi eats the sebum and then it it generates at the end its fecal matter is dandruff.
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I see.
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Got it.
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That's interesting.
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So dandruff is coming from the fungus, not necessarily from dry skin.
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Yeah, there's different kinds of dandruff, but the one that is the oily type that you probably see some people have oily and dry scalp.
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Those are from the byproducts of the malassezia fervor.
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Remember, malassezia fervor lives between the epidermis and the dermis junction right there.
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It hides in between that junction.
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So you can't really see it.
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So you couldn't see it, then you couldn't get rid of it with a shampoo?
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Is that what you're saying?
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You can get rid of it with a, there's only like the most powerful shampoo in the world.
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ingredient is pyroctonolamine and then the second uh type of shampoo ingredient is ketoconazole.
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Those two ingredients are very powerful for antifungal.
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The head and shoulders use pyothorin zinc and it's low grade.
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It's probably very weak and you have to use it consistently.
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But uh there are two ingredients that are formative.
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for controlling yeast or fungi and it can...
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you can never kill fungi, you can never kill fungus.
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So you have to constantly use the shampoo and conditioner.
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So then when you apply the laser on top of a clean scalp that's been, you know, treated with antifungal, then it can do its job because remember you having an anti inflammatory
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process with the fungus.
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And then then what's happening is that DHT is sent and the reason why
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the human body is killing all the hair cycles is you probably hear a lot of people talk about DHT and all.
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He's talking about dihydrotestosterone is basically causes, I mean, the doctrine is that it's causing micronization of the hair follicle and then ultimately hair loss.
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Yes, DHT is an assassin to the hair.
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So that's all its roles.
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The only role for DHT is to kill hair.
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Now, what it does is that when it sees an inflammatory process anywhere in the body, it sends DHT and it kills it.
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That's why the top of the head is usually eradicated.
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you're saying is that even if you had a genetic predisposition, if you didn't have a fungus that was causing inflammation, the DHT would not be as prone to go to the head and
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cause hair loss.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah, if you're prone to malice as your fur ver and this fungus and you're allergic to it and you use anti-fungal shampoo, that will help you retain your hair right there.
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But if you add the laser on top of it, that will actually take you to the next level and it will stop the hair loss and it will regrow your hair.
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So
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brand of antifungal that you really like?
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I know you've talked about some ingredients, but is there a brand of more potent antifungal shampoo that you like?
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Yeah, so my expertise is not in biochemistry, it's in biomedical engineering.
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And as I've been spelling, you know, there's over 110 million treatments of my laser worldwide in 57 countries.
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People always ask me what kind of shampoo should I be using?
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And we decided to come up with our own just recently with pyrotonolamine.
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So.
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So the problem is the best one before this was by Johnson & Johnson, which was the...
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I forgot what the name of it was by Johnson & Johnson, but it had ketoconazole, 2%.
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But unfortunately, it had too much sulfates and phthalates and other ingredients that were caustic to the scalp.
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So it's a balance of like, okay, you can get a really good antifungal, but unfortunately, if they're using caustic ingredients, that most in another percentage of the population
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is allergic to sulfates and other ingredients that are preservatives and such.
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So what we've done is we've created our own pyroctoanolamine with no sulfates, no phthalates, no propylene glycol, nothing like that.
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uh And that's what you use.
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I'm sorry.
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It's just a theradome scalp conditioning shampoo.
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Yeah.
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Pteroderm scalp conditioning sample.
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Because the majority of the work is done by the laser.
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But if you can keep your scalp clean and free from fungi, because fungi goes...
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If you apply shampoo today with our shampoo, any shampoo with pyroctonal, amino, ketoconazole, it's good for about three or four days.
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After three, four days, it starts back up.
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So you have to make sure you shampoo every third day.
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And that's just the natural evolution of fungi.
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It only controls it for about three days.
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And that's what we've seen in our clinical trials.
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Okay, so every third day and then how often are you using the laser?
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ah every three, four days.
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So would you use it?
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I'm thinking you'd want to use the shampoo and then use it after that when you've got a clean scalp.
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afterwards, right afterwards would be the best protocol.
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think the best protocol is right after you get out of shampoo, know, out of the shower, know, before you comb your hair and style it, just put on the helmet and get dressed and
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you'll have your treatment and then you can style it.
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minute treatment with a helmet, is that correct?
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that's it, 20 minutes twice a week.
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Okay, and so what's the cost for the helmet?
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Is that 80 lasers?
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Is that expensive?
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m
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$995, up $1,000.
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But it'll last you 18,000 treatments.
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You can probably will it to your kids when you're done.
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Got it.
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Okay.
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Okay, cool.
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So what are the studies that you've done with this?
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And are you also doing anything in conjunction with inhibiting DHT or?
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Yeah, well I think that my personal opinion, if you can inhibit any hormone, it would be a miracle.
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It would be, the problem is that if we can control hormones, us husbands would be very, very happy every 28 days.
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If we can, that was my PhD studies is in ovulation.
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No, but it's ovulation.
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Yeah, it was ovulation.
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But if you can control a hormone, it would be.
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So anybody that makes claims that they can control DHT or avert DHT progression is hogwash.
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And there is no such thing as hormonal control.
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there is absolutely no drug or device in the world that can control DHT.
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So what I'm hearing is that using finasteride or minoxidil or anything like this is probably not going to be helpful in addition to the shampoo and the helmet.
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Is that kind of what I'm hearing?
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Right.
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I think, you know, if you look at the studies between minoxidil, finasteride and laser phototherapy is that
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Monoxidil comes in at about 8 % hair count.
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So you can increase your hair count by about 8 % using Monoxidil.
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But it's really not very effective because there's a lot of hair loss with it.
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The second one you asked about is Finasteride.
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If you take Finasteride versus laser phototherapy, Finasteride has about a 12 % hair count.
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If you count all of the studies that have been made
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since that's what we did in my book.
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The book I wrote is called Grow Back.
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I went and studied, sorry, I went and summarized every study by finasteride and it comes out to be about 12 % increase in hair count.
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But the problem is is that the side effects that are associated with finasteride, it's just not worth that 12 % because for men it does have pretty severe side effects and for
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women it's even worse.
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Even if you touch the pill and if you have, know, childbearing, it will destroy any kind of type of the fetus if you if a woman touches the pill.
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So it's very powerful.
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So when you compare laser phototherapy against all three of them, we're at 89 % increase in hair count.
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89%.
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And it's, and so it's night and day.
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So if you look at, minoxidil came out first.
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in the late 70s, then it was finasteride in the 90s, and then in the 2020-17, we came out with the laser phototherapy.
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We're head and shoulders, excuse the pun, above minoxidil and finasteride.
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It's not even funny.
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Yeah, no, that's great.
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And it also, can see why those wouldn't really add to what you're doing significantly.
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Plus, you know, you are avoiding the potential side effects.
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So it sounds like the shampoo, what I'm hearing is if you use the shampoo, which is the theradome scalp conditioning shampoo every third day, and you do a 20 minute laser session
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following the shampooing as you come out of the shower and dry your head, I guess that that's
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That is the routine that you used in the study to demonstrate the regeneration of hair.
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Is that what we're saying?
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Or what do we suggest?
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that for both men and women.
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We did two studies.
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These are IRB studies and they're double blinded, randomized and sham controlled.
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We use shams, which is similar to placebo.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Great.
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Let me ask you this.
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So a hair follicle can get to a point of no return, right?
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Where it's probably you can't get it back, right?
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In other words, if
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no hair follicles die.
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You start with the same hair follicles that you are born with and you die with the exact same hair follicles that you die with.
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So even if somebody has a completely bald head, there are still follicles in there is what you're trying to say.
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Yeah.
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difference between that is that as you have more...
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inflammation into your scalp, there's a new skin that comes, it's called the epidermal growth factor that covers up the skin.
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And the reason why you see guys that are completely bald, they have a very shiny scalp.
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And people ask, hey, are you waxing something?
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Are you putting something on your scalp to make it real shiny?
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And the reason why is that there's only oil and sweat glands.
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There's no hair follicles whatsoever because they've been covered up by another layer.
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only way to regenerate those is by having a hair transplant as one way to get them back up.
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But there is no way of excavating those hair follicles now because they're so deep.
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They're deeper than five millimeters.
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Yeah.
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So that's the point.
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So the hair follicle is there, but it's been buried by another layer of epidermis.
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That's actually uh kind of protect the skull.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Well, that makes sense.
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So you'd have to basically do a, you'd have to be scalped and then you could maybe get back to where the hair follicles were.
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No, I, I agreed.
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I'm just trying to paint a picture for the audience that this isn't going to, you're not going to grow hair on a cue ball here.
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Right.
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But
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What you're saying is that if you do have any hair follicle there, and it could even be miniaturized to the point where it's very difficult to see that this has the opportunity
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to help bring it back.
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That's what I'm hearing.
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Is that correct?
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Yes, these are what's called de novo hairs.
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These are the hairs that are miniaturized all the way down over time.
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There is a chance for it to go the other way, but it's just what happens is that most people cannot.
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have a good compliance to stay with from a miniaturization to they rather just go to Turkey or go to Bosley go to hair club and get instant hair right back and Yeah, it's it's
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I would recommend that versus putting on a helmet
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Right.
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So really this would be for prophylaxis or for people that have noticed that their hair is starting to thin to start using it at that point.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah.
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So what I always say is like, look, whenever you see any kind of hair loss, immediately start the helmet because look.
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Don't go for biotin, don't go for any kind of type of extensions or braids or anything like that.
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Any kind of type of treatment.
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There's only one thing you should do.
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Just go for the helmet, it'll stop the hair loss and it will grow the hair.
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The only device or drug in the world that can stop hair loss is the theradone.
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That's the, yeah.
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us about biotin because that's a vitamin B vitamin that has some notoriety for helping with growing nails and hair and things like that.
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So talk to us a little bit about that.
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Yeah, there's been about four studies that it started back in the late 60s and early 70s that biotin might be a good ingredient for hair follicles and also for hair and nails.
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And in all four studies, none of them has proven that biotin will regrow hair.
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It's only for people.
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Would it be useful in the context of the laser helmet?
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No, there's no, there is no study in the world that has shown that biotin has can grow hair.
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Now, the only people that benefit from biotin are the people that are severely malnutritioned.
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They're not eating eggs, they're not eating certain legumes, and those people, maybe it might help, but they actually did a study, the Germans did a study, which I hate to bring
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up this study because it's so controversial.
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They starved World War II prisoners and they found that
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even if they starved these prisoners, their hair was still on their scalp.
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They actually wrote a study about this, that even if you starve somebody, their hair does not fall off.
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Which means that, you know, nutritionally the hair will stay up to a certain time.
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Now if you add biotin to it, will it grow?
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No, that's the study.
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Those four studies that they show that it does not work.
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Got it.
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Yeah, that's a pretty uh horrific study, but it's interesting information, right?
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okay.
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Well, cool.
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So how do people get a hold of this helmet?
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Well, you can get it at theradome.com.
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Theradome.com, that's T-H-E-R-A-D-O-M-E.com.
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And we sell two devices, that's all we sell.
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And then we're coming out with, as I mentioned, the hair care, because so many people are just asking what shampoo, whatever uh I can use.
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And that's...
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shampoo, just so I understand, the shampoo is not out yet or it's about to be?
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It's coming out in the first quarter, 2026.
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Okay, well this podcast won't air until 2026.
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that's, yeah.
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And then you said you have two devices.
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So what's the second device?
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So we have one that's a thousand dollars and one that's around five hundred dollars, half the price.
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the idea is for people that are really serious about hair loss, you'd get the thousand dollar version.
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And people that just like, as you mentioned earlier, getting it early, giving it to your son or daughter or...
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or somebody that's young and get them the habit of doing that and they'll never need the thousand dollar version if they keep on using the same shampoo, a good shampoo and a
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helmet.
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Got it.
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Okay.
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Well, that's super helpful.
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Yeah.
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Interesting work.
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Great.
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So people can go to theradome.com and pick up a helmet of their choice, right?
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So.
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what I did is I also wrote, I wrote a book that, yeah.
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grow back.
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I see it there with a hair follicle.
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Yeah, so everybody was asking me all kinds of questions about how does hair grow and all this.
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So I wrote 440 pages, everything you wanted to know, but was afraid to ask.
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And then if you look here, it's got all these references in the gray.
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ah Every word, every sentence as a backed up scientific study.
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ah
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whether it's so I would always recommend reading this once it's on sale for 99 cents on our website so you can go and get educated it's a great step by step if you want to know
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exactly what to do and how to get your hair back this is the thing you know it also includes hair transplants and PRP every modality that you can imagine is in
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Okay.
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Beautiful.
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I love that.
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All right.
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Well, Tameema, it's been a pleasure chatting with you.
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Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time.
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Good stuff.
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is there any other questions you might have that was?
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Okay, so what's your PhD and what did you study and I didn't get a chance to.
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Yeah, I'm an MDI, I practiced interventional cardiology for 25 years.
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And then in 2012, after my own health issues popped up a few years earlier, and uh it took me going down a functional medicine, integrative age management medicine route to sort
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them out that I decided I wanted to leave sick care and go into healthcare.
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So I left in 2012 and now we have a longevity practice that's focused on
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Really five areas, life energy, which we think is really the most important.
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It's a cycle virtual space and then longevity itself, which is all the hallmarks of aging, the actual drivers of aging, if you will.
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And then all the health organ systems and subsystems as a health circle.
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And then performance being fast, agile, strong, quick balance, great cardiovascular capacity, reserve flexibility.
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And then the fifth circle is the environments where we reside in architecting homework.
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business travel vacation to support the mission.
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I wrote a book as well.
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A hundred is the new 30.
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It's on Amazon and it's also about 450 pages.
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and yeah, I wrote every word, right?
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So this was before AI and, right.
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And then it's also on Audible.
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So it's,
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you would appreciate my last company I sold before this, my fourth startup.
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The last company I had invented, I had discovered a very novel cardiology phenomena.
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And...
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What I discovered was that when the heart does its cycle, it actually, what it does, the isobutamic contraction, right when all the valves are loaded up and ready to eject, what
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it does, it twists for a fraction of a second and it bumps the trachea up and down, just like a piston.
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So what I did is I put a accelerometer
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right here on the sternal notch of the, you know, Adam's apple.
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It's better for men than it is women because it ossifies more men than it do women.
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And so I can actually get the piston to tell me exactly, just like when you pound your fist on a table, somebody can feel it on the other side.
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And I ended up a long time ago,
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accelerometers were almost unheard of, but they're used today to turn your images around.
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And I had bought like two million accelerometers and the accelerometer company is like, what are you going to do with accelerometer?
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We never heard of applications.
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go, yeah, the accelerometer will measure the whole cardiac cycle.
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And it's five times better than an injection fraction
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Because ejection fraction, you could be 70 years old and then compared to 25, you could, hey, you're both at 70 some percent.
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Ejection fraction, which doesn't mean anything.
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But when you can measure isomic contraction, you can see if there's a little valve leak, it won't pressurize as much.
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And then what it'll do is it'll tell you how powerful the heart is versus the cardiovascular system.
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So because that's what want to do.
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You want to separate the heart
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from the cardiovascular system.
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If you know that if you have a heart that's working really well, but unfortunately you have 30,000 miles of sludge that has to go through, well, it's not gonna, it's gonna work
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for much longer.
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So, or we have a very clean cardiovascular system and a weak heart, you can tell that very quickly within, and the way I did it is I put it on and you would do about,
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25 sit-ups or you know, what do you it?
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Where you squat down, squat.
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And you would do, yeah, 25 squats.
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And then I measure it again and I can look at the load on your heart and tell you if your load on your heart is actually increasing or decreasing.
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So I'm writing a book right now on why...
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You should never go beyond 100 beats per minute in your heart.
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You should never ever go beyond 100 beats per minute in your heart.
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And I'm a biker just like you, know, I bike.