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Credlin | 29 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. Steep Price in for Peter. She's away
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Speaker 1: for a short while. Here's what's coming up on our
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Speaker 1: program tonight. Are you n Climate Chief? Lecturing Australia on
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Speaker 1: what it's not doing around climate change, suggesting we are
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Speaker 1: letting the world overheat. His words not mine if we
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Speaker 1: don't do more. And this bloke is described by Chris
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Speaker 1: Bowen as a friend. More on that shortly plus a
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Speaker 1: strong appearance I think today her best yet since becoming
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Speaker 1: opposition leader by Susan Lee. At a media event in
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Speaker 1: Canberra today, she refused to be bullied by the Canberra
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Speaker 1: Press Gallery. But can she wrangle her party over net zero?
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Speaker 1: Andrew clininill join us in a moment on what unfolded
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Speaker 1: in Canberra today. And I mentioned here last week that
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Speaker 1: there is growing anger bordering on revolt from sections of
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Speaker 1: rural Australia over renewable energy projects. With an other protests
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Speaker 1: to hit the streets of Melbourne tomorrow. I'll catch up
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Speaker 1: with one of the organizers and Donald Trump. He's wrapped
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Speaker 1: up his visit to Scotland with a new deadline for
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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin over Ukraine, and he makes it clear he's
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Speaker 1: not happy with the scenes unfolding in Gaza. But first
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Speaker 1: up tonight, a former politician from the country of Grenada,
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Speaker 1: which we don't talk about very often and basically don't
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Speaker 1: even know where it is, who was set to meet
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Speaker 1: Australia's Minister for Climate Change Chris Bowen today and who
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Speaker 1: now works for the United Nations. Of course, overnight made
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Speaker 1: some of the most ridiculous claims about global warming and
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Speaker 1: our role in it, that being Australia that I reckon
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Speaker 1: I've ever heard now. His name is Simon Steele. He
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Speaker 1: was once upon a time a member of the Conservative
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Speaker 1: government in Grenada, but now travels the world apparently telling
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Speaker 1: us all how the world is going to end if
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Speaker 1: we don't do more around emissions. By the way, this
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Speaker 1: bloke at one point was a property developer. It's a
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Speaker 1: sort of he's like an old balding Greta Thunberg. If
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Speaker 1: what he said overnight is something he truly believes, and
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Speaker 1: I can't believe that he does. The Australian on page
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Speaker 1: one today reports that this bloke has declared quote Australia
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Speaker 1: will let the world overheat and fruit will be a
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Speaker 1: once a year treat if the ALP does not lift
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Speaker 1: its clean energy ambitions. I mean, seriously, now, someone needs
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Speaker 1: to tell this visitor to our great country that Australia
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Speaker 1: produces around one percent of global emissions, way behind the
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Speaker 1: bigger mills like China and India and the US. He
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Speaker 1: then went on to demand that we quote not settle
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Speaker 1: for what's easy, and then the UN Climate Change Executive
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Speaker 1: Secretary said that's his job title. By the way, what
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Speaker 1: a cozy little sinecure. He started to really lose the plot.
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Speaker 1: Now I'll go into some detail because the frightening thing
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Speaker 1: is this bloke will be telling an already unhinged Minister
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Speaker 1: Chris Bowen as the garbage at that meeting today he's
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Speaker 1: going to repeat it to Bowen. Now Steel claims that
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Speaker 1: unless we have more ambitious targets for our standard of
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Speaker 1: our standard of living will actually nosedive, making current grocery prices,
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Speaker 1: which he calls it's a grocery crisis look like a picnic.
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Speaker 1: Then this nonsense mega droughts will make fresh fruit and
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Speaker 1: vegetables in Australia are once a year treat. I'm not
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Speaker 1: making this stuff up. You just couldn't make it up.
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Speaker 1: Steel then plucks these figures out of his backside, claiming
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Speaker 1: Australia could face a six point eight trillion dollar GDP
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Speaker 1: loss by twenty fifty. I mean, come on, mate, that's
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Speaker 1: just you making stuff up. The rubbish was all wheeled
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Speaker 1: out at an event in Sydney hosted by you guessed
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Speaker 1: at the Smart Energy Council, who I'm guessing invited this
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Speaker 1: bloke here in the first place. Now, the Smart Energy
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Speaker 1: Council is a crowd representing the solar industry. Now, what
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Speaker 1: is truly frightening about all this stuff is that it
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Speaker 1: has been taught in our schools, it's been taught in
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Speaker 1: our universities, and so many young people believe it. And
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Speaker 1: what's worse, we have Chris Bowen and of course the
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Speaker 1: teals all cowtowing to the great myth that the world
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Speaker 1: as we know it is about to collapse. Look, I
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Speaker 1: just love someone anyone in the Canberra media pack the
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Speaker 1: next time Chris Bowen fronts up to ask him if
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Speaker 1: he believes that fruit and vegetables in Australia will become
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Speaker 1: just an annual treat if we don't set higher emissions targets.
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Speaker 1: Just a simple yes or no, that's the answer that's required.
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Speaker 1: Bowen doesn't do any one on one interviews with anyone
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Speaker 1: who doesn't buy his end of the worldview on climate change,
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Speaker 1: and worse, he gives no proper costings of what he's
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Speaker 1: crazy dash to carpet bomb the country with solar panels
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Speaker 1: and wind turbines and new transmission lines will actually cost.
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Speaker 1: Here is the coalition's energy spokesperson, Dan Tian today on
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Speaker 1: the issue of costings.
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Speaker 2: Well, surely when it comes to our electrics city grid,
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Speaker 2: the government should have already done that work, especially when
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Speaker 2: they made a commitment to the Australian people to reduce
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Speaker 2: their power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 2: by the end of this year.
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Speaker 1: And Team's right. We all get told renewables are the
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Speaker 1: cheapest form of energy, but never a true cost on
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Speaker 1: what it will cost taxpayers to get there. And as
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Speaker 1: Dan teen further pointed out, we're only having conversations about households,
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Speaker 1: not conversations about heavy industry. Began small or agriculture or transport.
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Speaker 2: They haven't started on the industrial sector. They haven't started
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Speaker 2: on the land transport sector. They haven't started on the
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Speaker 2: agriculture sector. Where's all the technology in the investment that
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Speaker 2: we need in those sectors. These are all the things
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Speaker 2: that we've got to work through. This is not something
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Speaker 2: that you just solved by simply saying something. You actually
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Speaker 2: have to demonstrate that you've got a full understanding of
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Speaker 2: what is required and importantly know the cost of what
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Speaker 2: he's required, because at the moment the cost is being
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Speaker 2: hidden by this government.
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Speaker 1: The other scary thing about our old mates Steel being
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Speaker 1: here is that Australia is, for some crazy reason lobbying
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Speaker 1: to hold something called Cop thirty one in Adelaide next year.
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Speaker 1: A costly global gathering of doomsayers that continue to allow
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Speaker 1: those big polluters like China to continue doing what they
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Speaker 1: want to do. But they love lecturing countries like Australia
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Speaker 1: now under Chris Bowen and the Prime Minister Albanesi, who
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Speaker 1: are using their big election win as an endorsement of
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Speaker 1: this mad dash to energy poverty. Sadly, things are going
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Speaker 1: to get a hell of a lot worse. It's head
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Speaker 1: to Camberra now speaking of Canberra for tonight's Political Headlines,
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Speaker 1: where sky News Political reporter cam.
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Speaker 3: Ridden Good Evening member of the government, albeit from the
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Speaker 3: back bench, has raised issue with its strategy around recognizing
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian state. Sky News understands Ed Hughesick took to
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Speaker 3: his feet and asked the Prime Minister how long is
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Speaker 3: it going to take for Australia to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: The former Industry minister went public earlier in the week
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Speaker 3: calling for Australia to follow in France's footsteps, which will
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Speaker 3: recognize Palestine in September.
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Speaker 2: We should be making that case and saying we're prepared
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Speaker 2: to recognize that now.
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Speaker 3: In response, Anthony Alberesi referred to his comments in question
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Speaker 3: time on Monday, in which he noted.
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Speaker 4: Recognition of a Palestinian state by Australia might occur before
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Speaker 4: the finalization of a peace process. Australia will make that
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Speaker 4: decision as a sovereign state.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister also using the opportunity to rebuff a
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Speaker 3: statement from Israel's Prime minister that there is no starvation
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Speaker 3: occurring in Gaza. Anthony Albernesi told Caucus that claim is
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Speaker 3: beyond comprehension.
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Speaker 1: If the Israeli government seriously says that this isn't happening.
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Speaker 5: Let the world's media in to have a look.
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Speaker 6: I'm very distressed by the images that I've seen. Do
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Speaker 6: you believe that stuff? It's a complex situation on the ground.
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Speaker 3: And in Question Time, the Coalition has targeted Labour's record
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Speaker 3: on aged care.
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Speaker 7: Under Labor the home care package waitlist has skyrocketed, with
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Speaker 7: more than eighty seven thousand Australians now waiting.
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Speaker 4: We introduced and passed through this Parliament on a bipartisan basis,
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Speaker 4: the most significant reforms to age care this century.
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Speaker 2: And we'll need to continue increasing those home care package
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Speaker 2: numbers very significantly, for really as long as any of
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Speaker 2: us are in this parliament.
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Speaker 3: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 1: And then speaking of federal politics, let's go straight to
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Speaker 1: camer now joining me, Sky's Political editor. Great to see
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Speaker 1: him again. Andrew Clenell, Welcome, another busy day. I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about Question Time. I sat down
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Speaker 1: and watched it like a normally do the opposition concentrate
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Speaker 1: on as you would have seen that issue of bulk billing.
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Speaker 1: You know the trick that Albanizer had during the campaign.
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Speaker 1: He pulled out his Medicare card, said the only card
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Speaker 1: you need is your Medicare card, not your credit card,
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Speaker 1: which obviously was effective. I mean, given you know, they
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Speaker 1: thumped the opposition in the election, but when's the opposition
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Speaker 1: going to realize that they can't actually win an argument
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Speaker 1: on Medicare? The population trust labor on Medicare and health.
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Speaker 8: So you earned your money watching that question time, Steve, look,
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Speaker 8: I have the same feeling. I mean, I just thought
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Speaker 8: this is ridiculous. And he wiped the floor with them.
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Speaker 8: Really they didn't lay a glove on him. So I guess,
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Speaker 8: you know, it's seem to be related to Mark Butler
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Speaker 8: and made some comments not every absolutely everyone will get
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Speaker 8: bulk builled, and they'd sort of promised that, you know,
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Speaker 8: close to one hundred percent of people be bulk builled.
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Speaker 8: So they're sort of putting the markers out there. But
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Speaker 8: I thought it was something they could have dropped in
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Speaker 8: third or fourth question. You're not running an attack line
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Speaker 8: on the whole time, and I think it was pretty ineffectual.
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Speaker 8: I guess a lot of the time, to be frank,
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Speaker 8: they look at what will it run on the six
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Speaker 8: PM news, is if it does, they say they've had
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Speaker 8: a successful day. But I'm not sure they will have
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Speaker 8: even in this case because the government's got the upper
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Speaker 8: hand on the Medicare argument.
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Speaker 1: Order thought, Yeah, I mean you and I are not
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Speaker 1: on the Tactics committee, but I mean someone ought to
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Speaker 1: tell them that, you know, labor will always win the
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Speaker 1: argument when it comes to Medicare. Gun. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: only thing I can think of, the only thing I
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Speaker 1: can think of is they're trying to mount this case
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Speaker 1: of broken promises. They're going to try and link you know,
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Speaker 1: your power didn't go down there and you were promising
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Speaker 1: you'd be able to go to the doctor. And will
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Speaker 1: that work? Mabee?
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, all I know is when you have oppositions,
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Speaker 8: you know they're in trouble, when you feel like you
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Speaker 8: need to help them out. Steve, I think I'll leave
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Speaker 8: it at that.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned at the top of the program page one
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Speaker 1: of the Australia to Day these wild claims from that
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Speaker 1: un bloke who's here meeting. Chris Bowen came out and said,
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Speaker 1: in a direct quote, fruit and veg will become an
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Speaker 1: annual treat in Australia. Man, Look, no one but Chris
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Speaker 1: Bowen will actually believe this stuff. The Opposition, I thought
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Speaker 1: started to go down a pretty sensible road. Today. You
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Speaker 1: know the government Andrew says, well, we've got a mandate
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Speaker 1: to carry out our promises in regard to climate. The
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Speaker 1: opposition that are now saying, and I thought Dantine in
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Speaker 1: particular is pretty good today that look, we've got a
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Speaker 1: renewed mandate now because we've got a different leadership team
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Speaker 1: to actually look at our attitude to net zero. Here's
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Speaker 1: the question for Andrew Clonell, who's closer to this than
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Speaker 1: anyone else. Are they going to be brave enough to
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Speaker 1: drop it? Yeah? They are.
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Speaker 8: I think that I don't know if it to make
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Speaker 8: any difference. All the seats where people want it dropped,
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Speaker 8: they already have. You know, they've got the regional seats,
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Speaker 8: they need the urban seats and some of the big
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Speaker 8: changes in the sort of energy economy don't affect those
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Speaker 8: in the urban seats too much. And how are they
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Speaker 8: going to come up with a plan which will actually
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Speaker 8: not just lower power bills but have power bills not increase.
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Speaker 8: Pretty hard to argue you can do it. So I
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Speaker 8: think it's a subject best left alone a lot of
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Speaker 8: the time, and particularly when this mob look like they're
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Speaker 8: going to be in for a while. You're better off
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Speaker 8: concentrating on the economy and you know, attack them on
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Speaker 8: power bills, but don't go on about net zero as
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Speaker 8: as Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack are doing to get
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Speaker 8: their moment in the sun if you like. So, look,
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Speaker 8: I think they will dump the net zero policy. What
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Speaker 8: does it mean? Not much? And I will note that
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Speaker 8: even Chris Bowen criticize that official's comment, So there you go,
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Speaker 8: Steve even he thought that was way over the top.
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Speaker 8: And people who make those sort of comments don't do
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Speaker 8: the argument much favor, do they, because they go so
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Speaker 8: extreme with it. People go, well, this is just a
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Speaker 8: load of tosh. I mean, stop telling us how to
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Speaker 8: run our lives. If you can run everything through renewables
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Speaker 8: and keep our economy going fair enough, but you can't yet,
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Speaker 8: so you know what, just you know, cut it out.
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Speaker 8: That's what they think. It's going to be pretty interesting
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Speaker 8: if for Striate it does win this conference of the
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Speaker 8: party's conference, by the way, because that's going to be
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Speaker 8: a real flash point in the debate, and Anthony Albinezi
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Speaker 8: will go to Brazil later this year to try to
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Speaker 8: win it. For Adelaide what happens then in terms of
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Speaker 8: the debate in Australia, that will be fascinating to see.
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Speaker 1: What's going to be bigger. Cop will live golf. I
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Speaker 1: mean Chris, you know our mate in Adelaide, Melanauskus, he'd
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Speaker 1: love to have it because he loves an event. He's
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Speaker 1: got to gather around, he's got to live golf. Now
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Speaker 1: he's going to have cop what is it twenty nine
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Speaker 1: or thirty or thirty one.
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Speaker 8: I'm not even sure which one it is. Thirty one
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Speaker 8: sounds about right. Yeah, Look, I think he's got every
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Speaker 8: postal winner. But it's easy to look like a star
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Speaker 8: in a state parliament, especially at the moment.
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Speaker 9: I reckon.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now. The President Trump, he took time out from
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Speaker 1: cheating at golf today to tag that he's going to
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Speaker 1: have a new tariff around the world. Here is a
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Speaker 1: bit of the President, but we're going to.
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Speaker 2: Be setting a tariff for essentially the rest of the world,
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Speaker 2: and that's what they're going to pay if they want
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Speaker 2: to do business.
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Speaker 6: Indiana says.
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Speaker 2: I would say it'll be somewhere in the fifteen to
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Speaker 2: twenty percent range.
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Speaker 1: So where are we at with this meeting or no meeting?
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Speaker 1: With Trump and where are we at on tariffs? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know you've been concentrating on beef today, but what
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Speaker 1: does this mean for US?
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Speaker 10: Oh?
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Speaker 8: I think we're doomed whether he meets him or not,
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Speaker 8: aren't we. I'm more worried about Aucust, to be honest.
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Speaker 8: I think pretty much every country cops the tariffs, and
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Speaker 8: luckily for US, our trade with China is so much
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Speaker 8: greater than our trade with America, so it doesn't hurt
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Speaker 8: the economy that much. It's not great, but it's not
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Speaker 8: as dire as safe China stop buying iron, or let's
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Speaker 8: face it, or if India and China stop sending international students.
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Speaker 8: So I think we're just going to cop it. But
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Speaker 8: I think the reason the dialogue has to happen is
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Speaker 8: around UCUS and Defense, because I'm very, very concerned about
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Speaker 8: the future of that project and what his plan b
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Speaker 8: I mean, a leg spender asked that of Richard Marles
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Speaker 8: today and I think it was a fair question. And look,
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Speaker 8: I've got to I might ask.
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Speaker 1: You, Steve.
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Speaker 8: I mean, in all your time, and it's a longer
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Speaker 8: time than me, I don't want.
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Speaker 1: To aid you. You know, being involved in journalism have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen a leader like Donald Trump, who I
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Speaker 1: was watching him last night on TV. You just don't
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Speaker 1: You just don't know what he's going to say next.
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Speaker 8: I mean, usually with these guys down here, they focus
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Speaker 8: gripped it to death, so you oh, he's going to
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Speaker 8: say this, and he's going to say that. He might
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Speaker 8: say this or that. With Donald Trump, you're hanging on
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Speaker 8: every word because you just don't know where it's going
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Speaker 8: to go. Is that fair? Can you remember a politician
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Speaker 8: or a senior leader like that before?
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Speaker 1: Boris Johnson probably will be the only one that I
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Speaker 1: can think of off the top of my head. You know,
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Speaker 1: Trump and him are quite similar in that regard. But
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Speaker 1: other than that, no, I certainly not. In Australia, US
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Speaker 1: presidents know Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, I mean, you Nixon, know
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Speaker 1: what Nixon was up to, but you know May Nixon.
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Speaker 1: But no, Donald Trump's in a class of his own,
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Speaker 1: I think. And you either love him or you hate him.
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Speaker 1: No one really quite understands him. Andrew always a pleasure
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Speaker 1: to catch up. You're doing great work there in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Talk soon, thanks, Steve. I want to go back to
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Speaker 1: the issue the ugly rise of anti Semitism in our country.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday I spoke at some length about the lockdown of
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Speaker 1: the National Gallery of Victoria on Sunday in the face
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Speaker 1: of an ugly pro Palestinian rally. A lot of critics
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Speaker 1: of that and the the Victorian government's been dragged and
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Speaker 1: kicking and screaming to say it shouldn't have happened. Well,
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Speaker 1: it looks like it's going to be Sidney's turn this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Now New South I was Premier chris Min's. Unlike some
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Speaker 1: of his other state labor counterparts, I think he's shown
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Speaker 1: pretty good leadership and that was evident yesterday when he said,
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Speaker 1: in regard to a march on the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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Speaker 1: categorically no to a planned Palestine rally where they wanted
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Speaker 1: to march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. Now
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Speaker 1: Chrisman said, quote, we cannot allow Sydney to descend into chaos.
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Speaker 1: And he's absolutely right, of course, and I've got some
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Speaker 1: news on the police view about this in a second.
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Speaker 1: But then this morning here we go the Lord Mayor
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Speaker 1: of Sydney, Clover Moore, who's still in that job. Unbelievably,
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Speaker 1: she hit back, telling the Guardian, who else that quote
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Speaker 1: It would be an incredibly powerful symbol for our most
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Speaker 1: iconic landmark to be the site of a demonstration against
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Speaker 1: starvation in Gaza and in favor of lasting peace. She
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Speaker 1: is absolutely out of her depth and ill informed. Joining
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Speaker 1: me now to discuss this the COCO of the Executive
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Speaker 1: Council of Australian Jury. We've talked to him on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis. Alex Rifchin, Alex, good to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Good evening. Instead, I'll get on to Clover Moore in
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Speaker 1: a moment. But I mean, the premiers said no, this
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Speaker 1: is not going to happen, but he left it up
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Speaker 1: to the New South Wales Police as to whether they
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Speaker 1: would issue a permit because in that in your state,
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Speaker 1: you have to have a permit to have one of
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Speaker 1: these marches, unlike in Victoria, who won't even do that.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you the police in the last couple
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Speaker 1: of hours have said no permit, you can't have the march,
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Speaker 1: You're not going to get on the bridge.
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Speaker 11: Well, well, common sense prevailers, and there is obviously a
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Speaker 11: right to peaceful protests in this country. But these protesters,
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Speaker 11: these particular brand of activists, think that it's unlimited right
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Speaker 11: for them to do whatever they want to do. They
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Speaker 11: think it's a right for them to hold up the
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Speaker 11: posters of terrorist leaders, to chant for death in our streets,
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Speaker 11: to support terrost atrocities, as they did in the days
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Speaker 11: after October seventh, and they think they have the right
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Speaker 11: to shut down one of the main landmarks in the country,
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Speaker 11: block traffic on the weekend for tens of thousands of
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Speaker 11: people who just want to go about their lives. They
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Speaker 11: are so obnoxious and they are so extreme in their
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Speaker 11: mentality they need to be stopped. And fortunately census provailed
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Speaker 11: in this case and the police have done what's right.
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Speaker 11: They put the interests of the many of the peace
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Speaker 11: loving people of Sydney above that of the fringe.
19:20
Speaker 1: Jews around Australia, and let alone Jews around the world
19:23
Speaker 1: are still upset and reeling from what we witnessed on
19:27
Speaker 1: October eight at the Opera House. I mean, the two
19:29
Speaker 1: biggest global icons that Australia has is the Sydney Opera
19:35
Speaker 1: House and the Sydney Harbor Bridge. It will be absolutely
19:38
Speaker 1: criminal if these people are allowed to get up on
19:41
Speaker 1: that bridge with signs like I saw in Melbourne last
19:44
Speaker 1: weekend death to the IDF comparing benumin Net and Yahoo
19:49
Speaker 1: to Adolf Hitler. I mean, we've got to put a
19:52
Speaker 1: stop to this. I mean, what do you make of
19:54
Speaker 1: what Clover Moore had to say.
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Speaker 11: I think Clover Moore is absolutely kidding herself. I think
19:59
Speaker 11: she's put her own ideology and politics above the interests
20:02
Speaker 11: of the people that she's supposed to serve. And when
20:05
Speaker 11: she talks about this march being a lovely gesture of peace,
20:08
Speaker 11: peace does not enter the vocabulary of these people. They've
20:11
Speaker 11: never spoken about peace. That's why they were in the
20:13
Speaker 11: streets celebrating immediately after October seventh. They celebrate the hoody
20:18
Speaker 11: drones that hit Tell Aviv and the rockets from Iran.
20:20
Speaker 11: They don't want peace. They want to see the destruction
20:22
Speaker 11: of Israel, and they want to slag the people of
20:24
Speaker 11: the city who are Jewish and who support Israel with
20:27
Speaker 11: every term and every slow imaginable, to incite more hatred
20:30
Speaker 11: against us and to destabilize them, to divide our cities.
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Speaker 1: And that is why they.
20:34
Speaker 11: Want to capture another landmark to aid in their aims.
20:38
Speaker 11: Because the bigger the landmark, the bigger the spectacle, the
20:41
Speaker 11: greater their ambitions and ability to achieve what they're seeking
20:44
Speaker 11: to do. So Clovermore needs to start thinking about the
20:47
Speaker 11: interests of the people of Sydney. But fortunately, again the
20:50
Speaker 11: maturity of the police has prevailed and this march won't
20:52
Speaker 11: happen on the bridge.
20:55
Speaker 1: The only thing though, I worry about their alex is
20:58
Speaker 1: if the radical left that have infiltrated these protest marches,
21:04
Speaker 1: and let's be clear they are radical socialists, they may
21:09
Speaker 1: try to force their way onto the Sydney Harbor Bridge
21:12
Speaker 1: and have a clash with police. And in a sense,
21:16
Speaker 1: that's what these lunatics want. They want global attention, they
21:20
Speaker 1: want national attention. They want people who don't understand the
21:24
Speaker 1: issue to be going, well, come on, you've got to
21:26
Speaker 1: allow us to protest because look at what the Israelis
21:31
Speaker 1: are doing in Gaza. I mean that worries me that
21:33
Speaker 1: that might happen anyway on Sunday.
21:35
Speaker 11: Look, it's true, and these people, in their immaturity, they
21:39
Speaker 11: seek that emotional gratification. They want to be seen to
21:42
Speaker 11: be standing up for something and fighting for something. It's
21:44
Speaker 11: not about the Palestins, It's about their own internal emotional
21:48
Speaker 11: nourishment and needs. That's what this is really about for them,
21:51
Speaker 11: and you're quite right. They want a confrontation with the police.
21:54
Speaker 11: They want to throw their bodies limp and be dragged
21:56
Speaker 11: off and to look like great heroes and resistors the
22:00
Speaker 11: end of the day. The police are enough to think
22:02
Speaker 11: this through the plan accordingly, they've had ample opportunities to
22:06
Speaker 11: correct failings from the pastes occurred at the steps of
22:08
Speaker 11: the opera house, to deal with these people appropriately.
22:11
Speaker 9: There was a.
22:12
Speaker 11: Belief at that time that if these people were allowed
22:14
Speaker 11: to protest, they would get it out of their system
22:17
Speaker 11: and it would eventually peter out. But instead the opposite
22:19
Speaker 11: has happened. They've become more extreme, more severe in their actions,
22:24
Speaker 11: more violent in what they seek, and more unlawful in
22:26
Speaker 11: their practices. And we're seeing a transfer from those rallies
22:29
Speaker 11: to the storming of restaurants, to the harassment of people
22:33
Speaker 11: in the streets, to the daubing of public buildings. This
22:36
Speaker 11: is directly stemming from these rallies. So the police need
22:38
Speaker 11: to determine whether where a state of laws or whether
22:41
Speaker 11: this violent mob with their intentions are allowed to prevail
22:44
Speaker 11: and hold sway over the vast majority of Citney Siders
22:47
Speaker 11: who are peaceful and law abiding.
22:51
Speaker 1: Ah, So I just sort of talk about Gaza and
22:54
Speaker 1: what's happening there. I mean, clearly, the first casualty of
22:57
Speaker 1: any war is absolute truth. Don't know exactly what's going on.
23:03
Speaker 1: We don't have any reporters on the ground there. Yes,
23:06
Speaker 1: there are children and pictures of children that look like
23:10
Speaker 1: they are suffering malnutrition. But I just want to play
23:12
Speaker 1: a bit of the way the Canberra press pack when
23:15
Speaker 1: after Opposition leader Susan Lee today on this question of Gaza,
23:20
Speaker 1: it feels to me like some in the media are
23:23
Speaker 1: ramping up the pressure on anyone who does not immediately
23:26
Speaker 1: condemn Israel and say that they should recognize Palestine. Just
23:30
Speaker 1: have a quick look at this.
23:32
Speaker 7: Can all be resolved by hamas who have been keeping terrorists,
23:37
Speaker 7: who have been keeping hostages in tunnels in Gaza since
23:41
Speaker 7: October the seventh. That just over body you've been asked by,
23:46
Speaker 7: I've said, I've known, I'm very disminsing.
23:48
Speaker 6: I'm very distressed by the images that I've seen. Can
23:50
Speaker 6: you believe that that's evidence.
23:52
Speaker 7: It's a complex situation on the ground. Like everyone, I'm
23:55
Speaker 7: very distressed by the images I've seen.
23:57
Speaker 3: The Promise has said this morning that it was beyond
23:59
Speaker 3: com apprehension for Israel to assert that there was no
24:02
Speaker 3: starvation in Gaza.
24:04
Speaker 6: Your reaction to that commonplax. I've just answered that. But
24:07
Speaker 6: of course, of course we're distressed by the images we see.
24:11
Speaker 12: There is no question, what do you make of that,
24:13
Speaker 12: Alex Well, Look, this is the narrative that the press
24:17
Speaker 12: is running with, and they're being amply fueled by images online,
24:21
Speaker 12: some doctored, some from other conflicts, and some are no doubt,
24:24
Speaker 12: from the actual scenes of suffering in Gaza.
24:26
Speaker 11: There's no question people are suffering. But to deal with
24:29
Speaker 11: the problem, you have to understand it and deal with
24:32
Speaker 11: it coolly and rationally. And when you have people, for example,
24:35
Speaker 11: like Bob Carr comparing the situation in Gaza to the
24:39
Speaker 11: starvation by Stalin of six to seven million Ukrainian peasants
24:43
Speaker 11: in the nineteen thirties, where people were literally eating their
24:46
Speaker 11: children from such a desperate state of emaciation and hunger.
24:50
Speaker 11: He compared it to the Warsaw Ghetto, one of the
24:53
Speaker 11: darkest chapters of the Holocaust, from which people were then
24:55
Speaker 11: taken and gas the Treblinka. It loses all proportion, loses
24:59
Speaker 11: all sense, and our ability to actually process what's happening
25:02
Speaker 11: and deal with it rationally is lost and the presses
25:05
Speaker 11: that have asked the tough questions, but they also can't
25:08
Speaker 11: fall into these narratives, these one sided perspectives that are
25:11
Speaker 11: totally devoid of truth and reality.
25:16
Speaker 1: And it's good to catch up with you again, Thanks
25:17
Speaker 1: very much, Thank you so much, Steve. So coming up
25:22
Speaker 1: after the break, we're going to take your Life to
25:24
Speaker 1: Scotland again tonight as Donald Trump wraps up his visit there.
25:27
Speaker 1: Plus we'll speak to one Victorian farmer who's taking his
25:30
Speaker 1: fight right to Victoria's Parliament tomorrow. Welcome back to Steve Price.
25:40
Speaker 1: With You're just on that situation of the protest march
25:43
Speaker 1: plan for the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. The premiere
25:48
Speaker 1: of New South Wales has said no. New South Wales
25:50
Speaker 1: Police have said they won't issue a permit. News just
25:54
Speaker 1: breaking that what might now happen is New South Wales
25:57
Speaker 1: Police will have to go to the Supreme Court probably
26:00
Speaker 1: tomorrow to get a court order to prevent that march happening.
26:04
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of development happening there. Speaking about protests,
26:08
Speaker 1: there is one that is going to happen in Melbourne tomorrow. Now,
26:12
Speaker 1: I've spoken a lot on the program last week and
26:13
Speaker 1: again this week about what I think is a march
26:16
Speaker 1: through regional and rural Australia of green energy projects that's
26:21
Speaker 1: completely out of control. I mentioned that I was in
26:23
Speaker 1: the little town of dun Curled last weekend before last
26:26
Speaker 1: and I was staggered to see one hundred and twenty
26:28
Speaker 1: wind turbines surrounding that small community. Well, farmers in the
26:32
Speaker 1: path of the Victorian government's dogged renewable strategy. And this includes,
26:37
Speaker 1: by the way, the transmission lines. Landholders who face having
26:43
Speaker 1: their properties basically carved up by those transmission lines say look,
26:47
Speaker 1: we will block our properties. I mean despite the government,
26:50
Speaker 1: the Allen Labor government threatening people with two hundred and
26:55
Speaker 1: ten dollars penalties. Tomorrow, the farmers will again give up
27:00
Speaker 1: work for the day and descend on Melbourne. They'll be
27:02
Speaker 1: at the steps of Parliament House to ensure their voices
27:05
Speaker 1: are heard. Joining me now, one of the organizers leading
27:08
Speaker 1: the charge, Andrew Weedham. And Andrew, welcome, Sad to have
27:12
Speaker 1: to talk to you again about this issue, but it's
27:16
Speaker 1: getting to the point where you have to keep making
27:18
Speaker 1: a noise, otherwise you're going to get steamrolled. Yeah, absolutely, Steve.
27:24
Speaker 13: I mean at the moment, victorians from all parts are
27:27
Speaker 13: all coming under pressure from what we see as a
27:30
Speaker 13: very braconian piece of legislation which absolutely it impacts us
27:34
Speaker 13: as farmers in terms of transmission lines and trying to
27:36
Speaker 13: get onto our properties. But this piece is also going
27:39
Speaker 13: to have an impact on the cities as well in
27:42
Speaker 13: time when people will be unable to keep people off
27:45
Speaker 13: their properties, and if they try to do so, they'll
27:48
Speaker 13: be fine twelve one hundred and twenty dollars basically for
27:52
Speaker 13: that right.
27:55
Speaker 1: Give me an idea of what you would do if
27:58
Speaker 1: this advances to the point where a construction company turns
28:03
Speaker 1: up at your front gate and says, listen, I know
28:05
Speaker 1: you don't want transmission lines on your farm, but we're
28:08
Speaker 1: going to put three transmission lines down your western boundary.
28:12
Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not, let us in. You
28:15
Speaker 1: say no, what happens then well it'll be.
28:20
Speaker 5: Out the gate. There's no question.
28:22
Speaker 13: Like my area and right throughout that transmission line, it's
28:24
Speaker 13: been well publicized that there's absolute hostility in regards to
28:28
Speaker 13: letting anybody come through and put this onto a pristine
28:32
Speaker 13: farming land that's basically here to produce food and fiber
28:36
Speaker 13: for the rest of the nation and also overseas as well, Stephen.
28:40
Speaker 13: So we're really going to be absolutely locking the gate
28:43
Speaker 13: and they can find us and do whatever they like,
28:45
Speaker 13: but if people have to go to jail for the cause,
28:47
Speaker 13: they will. I mean, this is really setting aside Victoria
28:51
Speaker 13: as the most raconian state in Australia and possibly in
28:54
Speaker 13: parts of Southeast Asia. The way that they're operating and
28:57
Speaker 13: this ol and government is completely out of control.
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Speaker 1: Give us an idea of how many might turn up tomorrow,
29:05
Speaker 1: When will it happen and how can Victorian's watchings give
29:09
Speaker 1: you some support if they want to.
29:13
Speaker 13: Well, look if any Victorian, particularly here in Melbourne can
29:16
Speaker 13: make it tomorrow at eleven o'clock. We've obviously got the
29:18
Speaker 13: Opposition speaking to this and particular Brad Batton Danny O'Brien
29:23
Speaker 13: from the Coalition here in Victoria, but there are a
29:26
Speaker 13: range of speakers. There's farmers coming from upcountry and there's
29:30
Speaker 13: also business people here in Melbourne who will be speaking
29:32
Speaker 13: also about the cost of energy as it goes forward.
29:35
Speaker 13: So tomorrow is a great opportunity for people to come
29:37
Speaker 13: along and voice their disapproval. And also of course the
29:41
Speaker 13: emergency Services of volunteers tax that's being imposed on the
29:45
Speaker 13: Shires at the moment, or what everybody in Melbourne open
29:47
Speaker 13: up their shy rate noses tonight and just have a
29:50
Speaker 13: look at the cost that this government is enforcing on
29:53
Speaker 13: to you today under the name of volunteers to retire
29:57
Speaker 13: debt here in the state. Absolutely draconian type of pressure
30:04
Speaker 13: that this government is putting on people, and the mental
30:06
Speaker 13: health and stress that's being put onto people as well
30:09
Speaker 13: will also be spoken about tomorrow at the rally.
30:12
Speaker 1: Steve Well I try and get down there myself, Andrew
30:16
Speaker 1: all the best. I mean that trip I made through
30:19
Speaker 1: western Victoria, I mean, can't even get started on the
30:22
Speaker 1: pothold roads and the fact that no money's been spent
30:25
Speaker 1: on those, I mean, you are really copying it in
30:27
Speaker 1: the neck and you don't deserve it. And I hope
30:30
Speaker 1: somebody in that government absolutely starts to listen. Andrew, good
30:34
Speaker 1: luck tomorrow. I'll see you up there, Andrew Whedham in there.
30:37
Speaker 1: I mean, this is you needs to be resolved. You
30:39
Speaker 1: can't have farmers locking the gate, police turning up and
30:42
Speaker 1: threatening to find your twelve thousand dollars. That's ridiculous. And
30:45
Speaker 1: Andrew uses the word draconian. He's absolutely one hundred percent correct.
30:50
Speaker 1: Let's cross the other side of the world now to Scotland, where,
30:53
Speaker 1: in between a pack schedule of golf, the United States
30:56
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump's managed to fit in some significant international diplomacy.
31:01
Speaker 1: News European correspondent Sky News contributor Sophie Ellsworth. We chatted
31:06
Speaker 1: with her last night. She joined us again. Sophie, where
31:08
Speaker 1: are you tonight? Where do I find you?
31:13
Speaker 9: Great? To be with you? Steve.
31:14
Speaker 14: Look, I'm here at Many, which is just in Aberdeenshire
31:19
Speaker 14: in Scotland, and as you can see, Steve, it's absolutely
31:23
Speaker 14: glorious here. Donald Trump is in the Many, a state
31:26
Speaker 14: where he's due to open his new golf course today,
31:30
Speaker 14: and it's absolutely spectacular.
31:32
Speaker 9: There's hardly a breath of.
31:34
Speaker 14: Wind in the air, which I don't know if you'll
31:35
Speaker 14: be happy about, because he's got those wind turbines all
31:39
Speaker 14: along the golf course which are not blowing at the moment, Steve.
31:42
Speaker 14: But it's absolutely spectacular for the opening of this new
31:46
Speaker 14: golf course today.
31:49
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump's erected wind turbines on his golf course.
31:55
Speaker 9: No, he certainly hasn't.
31:56
Speaker 14: He doesn't like them, but they're in the ocean adjacent
31:59
Speaker 14: to his golf course. You can't see them in my
32:01
Speaker 14: shot here, but they're not moving very much, Steve.
32:04
Speaker 9: There's only a breath of wind here, just slight wind.
32:07
Speaker 14: But he's been complaining about wind turbines the whole time
32:10
Speaker 14: he's been in Scotland and they are absolutely everywhere in
32:13
Speaker 14: this country. Steve driving here from Turnbury, which was quite
32:17
Speaker 14: a journey to the north of the country, they are
32:20
Speaker 14: all along the coastline and you know, you can see
32:24
Speaker 14: them everywhere you go.
32:27
Speaker 1: I've only been to Aberdeen once and I couldn't understand
32:29
Speaker 1: a word anyone was talking to me when I went
32:32
Speaker 1: to the local pub. He was with Kirs Starmer today
32:35
Speaker 1: and in Scotland's first Minister. He seemed to be pretty
32:39
Speaker 1: well received by those two, regardless of the fact that
32:42
Speaker 1: their politics would be probably the opposite to what the
32:46
Speaker 1: US presidents is.
32:51
Speaker 14: Well, look, Steve, if I was Donald Trump, I'd see
32:53
Speaker 14: this as a very successful trip. He was the one
32:56
Speaker 14: calling all the shots. That press conference he had here
32:59
Speaker 14: local time yesterday with Saqias Starmer, Sakias Starmer barely got
33:03
Speaker 14: a word in.
33:04
Speaker 9: It was Donald Trump doing all the talking.
33:06
Speaker 14: But just here on the front of the Scottish Son
33:09
Speaker 14: today Steve it says make Scotland great again. That is
33:13
Speaker 14: a front page here today in the local press.
33:16
Speaker 9: So he's been warmly received by the media here.
33:20
Speaker 14: I mean you're going to have the left wing media
33:22
Speaker 14: but not happy that he's here. But I would say
33:24
Speaker 14: he's had a very successful trip because he's managed to
33:27
Speaker 14: fit in his golfing.
33:29
Speaker 9: He's managed well.
33:30
Speaker 14: He will open his new golf course, and he's had
33:33
Speaker 14: quite an impact with these different talks, including with European
33:37
Speaker 14: Commission President urshul levonderlyon to secure those tariff deals.
33:43
Speaker 9: So there's been a lot happening in his five day troop.
33:47
Speaker 14: He's jammed it in and Steve just here today at
33:51
Speaker 14: the golf course. Earlier there were choppers above the securities
33:55
Speaker 14: of Vilence.
33:57
Speaker 9: He is unbelievable.
33:59
Speaker 14: There's coaches of police officers coming in and out of
34:04
Speaker 14: the golf course.
34:05
Speaker 9: They're security.
34:06
Speaker 14: Hard to get around here, get close, so it's all
34:09
Speaker 14: lockdown stations here.
34:11
Speaker 9: For him to cut the ribbon to that new golf
34:13
Speaker 9: course today.
34:17
Speaker 1: Now as a golfer, and I know that you're not.
34:20
Speaker 1: I am. I tried to get to the bottom of
34:23
Speaker 1: whether this cheating claim that people keep making. I think
34:26
Speaker 1: the people who keep making that claim are people who
34:29
Speaker 1: don't play golf. As far as I could work out,
34:31
Speaker 1: he wasn't in a competition. He was out on his
34:33
Speaker 1: own golf course, just hitting a few golf balls around.
34:36
Speaker 1: He hit one of his shots into the bunker and
34:38
Speaker 1: then the caddy walked up and tossed the ball onto
34:41
Speaker 1: the fairway rather than the sand. I mean, that's a
34:44
Speaker 1: completely natural thing to do if you're not playing in
34:46
Speaker 1: a comp Has anyone got to the bottom of whether
34:48
Speaker 1: he actually is a golf cheat or not?
34:50
Speaker 14: Sophie, Well, they're certainly having a lot of fun with it, Steve.
34:55
Speaker 14: I mean, he's not playing in the US Masters, he's
34:59
Speaker 14: not a golfing. He's just having a bash around these
35:02
Speaker 14: golf courses.
35:03
Speaker 9: Steve.
35:04
Speaker 14: I absolutely loved watching the vision and you can see
35:06
Speaker 14: on screen there Donald Trump in this golf cart, and
35:10
Speaker 14: then he's got all these golf cartes. You can see them,
35:12
Speaker 14: all these golf carts streaming along behind him.
35:15
Speaker 9: It's an absolute circus.
35:16
Speaker 14: But he's loving the spotlight as he always does, and
35:20
Speaker 14: that golf buggy that looked.
35:22
Speaker 9: Like something out of Star Wars or something.
35:25
Speaker 14: The security around him when he's on the golf course
35:28
Speaker 14: too is unbelievable because not forgetting he did have those
35:32
Speaker 14: assassination or that assassination attempt last year, so the security
35:37
Speaker 14: here in Scotland has been extremely, extremely tight.
35:42
Speaker 1: Just before you go, what was the advice he gave
35:44
Speaker 1: Keith Starmer about Nigel Farage.
35:48
Speaker 14: Well, that was interesting because as we know, Kirs Starmer
35:51
Speaker 14: really can't bear the side of Nigel Farage. But he
35:53
Speaker 14: basically said cut migration, cut taxes and.
35:58
Speaker 9: You know, curb your spare end. Basically these were some
36:01
Speaker 9: of the key messages.
36:03
Speaker 14: And then Kirs Starmer broke out into this explanation that
36:07
Speaker 14: he is cutting migration, which is quite bizarre because there's
36:10
Speaker 14: been tens of thousands of illegal migrants pouring into the
36:14
Speaker 14: UK under his watch since he came into office in
36:18
Speaker 14: July last year. So Kis Starmer was making out it's
36:22
Speaker 14: all pretty well here in the UK, but migration, I
36:25
Speaker 14: would ARGUQ Steve is one of the most serious and
36:29
Speaker 14: dominant issues here in the UK at the moment.
36:32
Speaker 9: They cannot get it under control.
36:36
Speaker 1: Great to catch up, Sophie, Thank you so travels now
36:38
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, Equality Australia has joined the
36:41
Speaker 1: fight for a transgender woman in her court battle to
36:45
Speaker 1: access female only spaces. Plus what's with the uns obsession
36:50
Speaker 1: with Australia's emission targets? That's coming up next, Welcome back
36:58
Speaker 1: panel coming up shortly now trans woman Roxanne Tickles gender
37:03
Speaker 1: discrimination case against Giggle for Girls and its owner Sal Grover.
37:08
Speaker 1: That's continue to escalate, we're told today as more groups
37:10
Speaker 1: seek to join the court battle. Now, this of course
37:13
Speaker 1: stems from Grover denying tickler biological mail access to her
37:17
Speaker 1: women only app. Tickles also backed by the Sex Discrimination
37:21
Speaker 1: Commissioner and a coding Now today, Equity Australia, which is
37:25
Speaker 1: an organization that prides itself on championing gay and trans rights,
37:29
Speaker 1: has requested to appear in support of Tickel. It's all
37:32
Speaker 1: very complicated, but this comes after the court granted the
37:36
Speaker 1: Lesbian Action Group intervener status. What's that mean, Well, it
37:39
Speaker 1: means they're able to support Grover's case. Grover, the owner
37:43
Speaker 1: of the app, said her heart sank when she saw
37:46
Speaker 1: Equity Australia sought to intervene. They're intervening against the lesbians.
37:51
Speaker 1: The first letter the L in the acronym they claim
37:54
Speaker 1: to advocate for. Join them now to do Walkers through
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Speaker 1: this and more? Liberal, Senator clear Channeler, Senator, thank you
38:02
Speaker 1: very much for your time. It does seem a little
38:04
Speaker 1: ironic in equity. Australia, who fight for gay rights, has
38:07
Speaker 1: now pitted itself against a lesbian group. What's going on here, well.
38:13
Speaker 15: Steve, ironic is certainly one word for it, but more
38:18
Speaker 15: than just you know, the lesbian women of Australia, I
38:21
Speaker 15: think all Australian women are sick and tired of having
38:26
Speaker 15: activist groups tell us that, you know, our rights for
38:30
Speaker 15: single sex services and single sex spaces and single sex
38:33
Speaker 15: sports are legally undermined and not worth fighting for. But fundamentally,
38:39
Speaker 15: I think, you know, those are the questions that are
38:41
Speaker 15: going to be at play in the Tiple versus Giggle case,
38:44
Speaker 15: and that's what's happening by some of these interventions that
38:47
Speaker 15: we've seen here today.
38:50
Speaker 1: How important is this case?
38:52
Speaker 9: Is it?
38:52
Speaker 1: As some people are suggesting a very pivotal case in
38:56
Speaker 1: this argument.
38:59
Speaker 15: I don't think there is any doubt that the Tiple
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Speaker 15: versus Giggle case, however it ends up being decided, is
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Speaker 15: going to be a real pivotal moment for this whole
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Speaker 15: question of balancing the rights of transgender people and balancing
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Speaker 15: the rights of women and girls. And I mean we've
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Speaker 15: seen you, at least over the last five years or
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Speaker 15: so since I've been involved in this debate, but indeed
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Speaker 15: longer than that, this continual erosion in legislation through the
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Speaker 15: courts of the rights of women and girls to single
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Speaker 15: sex services and single sex spaces and single sex sports.
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Speaker 15: Now it should be absolute common sense to all Australians
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Speaker 15: that women and girls should have this right, but we
39:39
Speaker 15: are living in a country where those rights are being undermine.
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Speaker 15: So this will be a really important case whichever way
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Speaker 15: it's decided.
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Speaker 1: I'm a great champion of common sense. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 1: we need I mean, it's ridiculous what they're trying to
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Speaker 1: do here. Tell me about a quality Australia. The chair
39:57
Speaker 1: that outfit is a local teddy cook who himself was
40:01
Speaker 1: caught up in a recent court case between I think Masks,
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Speaker 1: Twitter and the Safety Commissioner. What's with this equality Australia outfit?
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Speaker 10: Oh?
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Speaker 15: Look, I do think it's an interesting intervention from Equality Australia,
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Speaker 15: particularly as like you say, there are lesbian activist groups
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Speaker 15: that are also party to this case. But I think,
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Speaker 15: as I was saying before Steve, that goes to the
40:26
Speaker 15: importance of this case and the fact that there are
40:29
Speaker 15: other parties that are coming to the table to provide evidence.
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Speaker 15: I know the Australian Human Rights Commissioner is also providing
40:36
Speaker 15: evidence to this case. Just goes to show how important
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Speaker 15: the case is whichever side of the debate you fall.
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Speaker 15: And now, of course it won't be any surprise to
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Speaker 15: your viewers that I think Australian women and girls should
40:48
Speaker 15: have the right to their own sports, the right to
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Speaker 15: their own spaces, and that that should be protected in Laura,
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Speaker 15: and that question is fundamentally what's going to be decided here.
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Speaker 1: Of course they should. We'll keep a close eye on
41:02
Speaker 1: the case as an unfold center the Channeler. Thank you
41:04
Speaker 1: very much for joining us tonight. Now, as I said,
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Speaker 1: coming after the break our panel, are we seriously going
41:10
Speaker 1: to be lectured to by someone an unelected official from
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Speaker 1: the UN the bureaucrat when it comes to climate targets.
41:16
Speaker 1: We'll have more on that shortly the panel straight after
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Speaker 1: the break, Welcome back tou Price with you. Let's get
41:26
Speaker 1: back into this issue of net zero now. The Coalition
41:30
Speaker 1: is rightly debating this. The UN's climate chief or a bureaucrat.
41:34
Speaker 1: He really is not a chief. He's ramped up the
41:37
Speaker 1: apocalyptic climate retric like you'd never believe. It was on
41:41
Speaker 1: the page one of The Australian Today. He says, Australia,
41:44
Speaker 1: if we don't have reasonable targets, we'll let the world overheat.
41:48
Speaker 1: Fruit will be a once a year luxury. Here are
41:51
Speaker 1: some of Simon Steele's comments on where Else ABC Radio
41:57
Speaker 1: for Australia.
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Speaker 10: The predictions are by twenty fifty climate change, well there'll
42:06
Speaker 10: be a loss at GDP loss of somewhere. There's six
42:09
Speaker 10: point eight trillion dollars to Australia based on the climate impacts.
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Speaker 10: So yes, you have economic benefits from that business as usual,
42:19
Speaker 10: but you have the economic costs which far outstrip that.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 1: I described this bloke as a bald aging version of
42:28
Speaker 1: Greta Thumberg earlier in the program. Joining me now to
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Speaker 1: discuss this more. Economists for The Spectator Terry Barnes and
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Speaker 1: Senior fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of Public
42:37
Speaker 1: Affairs Adam Kricht, and welcome to you both, Terry. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 1: they fly in these people. What a sinecure this job
42:46
Speaker 1: at the u INN. I mean, I don't know how
42:47
Speaker 1: you get one of those jobs. It would be wonderful
42:49
Speaker 1: to do. Then starts lecturing Australia and comes out. Even
42:52
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen has said this stuff's over the top. That
42:54
Speaker 1: you're only be about to have fruit and vegetables once
42:57
Speaker 1: a year if we don't do more.
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Speaker 16: I'd have fruit vegetables once a year now. But but
43:02
Speaker 16: when it comes to mister Steel and what a steal
43:04
Speaker 16: by name Steel by nature.
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Speaker 5: But how did he fly here, Steve?
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Speaker 16: Did he fly his flap his wings? No, he came
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Speaker 16: business class on on on a jumbo jet, emitting everywhere
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Speaker 16: he went. But the bottom line is he's coming here
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Speaker 16: picking on a country which he thinks his easy, easy pickings.
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Speaker 5: I mean, less than one percent of world missionary?
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Speaker 1: What about China?
43:26
Speaker 16: What about Russia?
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Speaker 1: They never talk about that. I mean, Adam, I looked
43:30
Speaker 1: up this bit of this bloke's background. He was a
43:32
Speaker 1: minor minister in the Grenada government. And when he lost
43:36
Speaker 1: office and it was a conservative governor. Apparently he turned
43:39
Speaker 1: himself into a property developer and he's out of the
43:41
Speaker 1: electuring US.
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Speaker 17: Look at his completely outrageous and of course it was
43:44
Speaker 17: very funny to hear just a few hours later from
43:45
Speaker 17: Ross Garnot that we're not going to hit.
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Speaker 5: Our missions target. So it looks like fruit and vegetables.
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Speaker 17: You know, they're gone, but just on the you know,
43:52
Speaker 17: just on the emissions, the emissions point. I mean China
43:54
Speaker 17: and India burn burn more coal and Australia in a
43:56
Speaker 17: week and they massively increased their emissions. So I mean,
43:58
Speaker 17: he really should be, you should be directing his remarks
44:01
Speaker 17: at those nations.
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Speaker 5: But of course he's not going to do that certificate.
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Speaker 1: Pushback developing nations, aren't they. That's why they can get
44:06
Speaker 1: away with this throw.
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Speaker 16: An injury as well, because that's what they're the third biggest,
44:10
Speaker 16: a better So.
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Speaker 1: The CSIRO even has come out today with its gen
44:15
Speaker 1: Costs report in terms of contributing to the low cost
44:18
Speaker 1: of power, and they still say that right now Terry
44:21
Speaker 1: Cole is the cheapest version of producing electricity, that's right.
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Speaker 16: Well, while the solar and wind they're going up and
44:28
Speaker 16: up and up at a great rate. I think it's
44:29
Speaker 16: twenty percent change over from last year. If they don't
44:32
Speaker 16: look at the full cost of these things, they don't
44:34
Speaker 16: look at the fact that there are capital costs in
44:36
Speaker 16: making these things happen. They don't look at the fact
44:39
Speaker 16: that taxpayers subsidize these industries to keep them competitive with
44:44
Speaker 16: possible fuels. I mean, they don't see the whole picture
44:46
Speaker 16: because they don't want it. I mean it's again the
44:48
Speaker 16: fixes in as far as the way that well the
44:51
Speaker 16: CSIRO and the Energy Market Operator have gone about this
44:56
Speaker 16: just fits in with the Chris Bowen's agenda.
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Speaker 1: Adam Danteen made a valid point today that you know,
45:01
Speaker 1: when we hear from Chris bow and this argument about costing,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't even talk about the impact of renewables on
45:09
Speaker 1: heavy industry, small business, transport and agriculture.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
45:13
Speaker 1: Look, that's talking about your household electricity.
45:16
Speaker 12: Yeah.
45:17
Speaker 5: Well, just on the you know, on the idea that
45:19
Speaker 5: renewables are cheap.
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Speaker 17: I mean, every Australian household can just look at their
45:21
Speaker 17: bills and see they're basically tripled now in fifteen years.
45:23
Speaker 17: So the idea that that renewables are cheap is, you know,
45:26
Speaker 17: is clearly fascical in reality. And you know, if you
45:29
Speaker 17: just take the coal industry, there's fifty thousand jobs directly
45:32
Speaker 17: and three hundred thousand good jobs indirectly around Australia that
45:35
Speaker 17: depend on that industry. So the idea that we're going
45:37
Speaker 17: to shut that down is just complete lunacy. But of
45:39
Speaker 17: course that, you know, that is the demand that we
45:41
Speaker 17: shut down that major export industry, our second largest industry.
45:45
Speaker 5: You know, these people must, you know, must.
45:46
Speaker 17: Think that the Australian dollar won't it won't fall to
45:48
Speaker 17: forty five cents, you know, So maybe they'll wake up
45:51
Speaker 17: when they can't afford to go to Europe anymore for
45:52
Speaker 17: their you know, for their week.
45:53
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever done a costing on what sort of
45:58
Speaker 1: you know, whole would be blown in the budget if
46:01
Speaker 1: we stopped exporting cole.
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Speaker 17: Well straight away it'd be about thirty billion dollars. I mean,
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Speaker 17: I can just do that off the top.
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Speaker 5: Of my head.
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Speaker 1: Where's that money going to come from? And what services
46:09
Speaker 1: get cut when thirty billion ran out of the budget.
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Speaker 17: They don't understand that. But I think increasingly people are
46:15
Speaker 17: waking up. I mean you're seeing a lot of renewable
46:16
Speaker 17: projects are falling by the wayside, the offshore wind projects.
46:19
Speaker 17: I mean there was one in Gippsland I think earlier
46:20
Speaker 17: this year that was canceled, and it's happening in the UK,
46:22
Speaker 17: it's happening in New Jersey in the US. The economics
46:25
Speaker 17: just doesn't stack up, even with the subsidies. It's just
46:28
Speaker 17: very expensive and people are seeing this all around the world.
46:30
Speaker 17: They're not just expensive but also unreliable and dangerous in
46:33
Speaker 17: some cases, as we saw in Spain Terry.
46:35
Speaker 1: I spoke with Alex Rifchin earlier in the program. We
46:38
Speaker 1: saw a very ugly protest in Melbourne on Sunday at
46:42
Speaker 1: the NGV. The gallery had to be actually put into lockdown.
46:46
Speaker 1: Little kids who were there to go to a Wiggles
46:48
Speaker 1: concert next door at the Entertainment Center were caught up
46:51
Speaker 1: in the middle of this. It all seemed to be
46:54
Speaker 1: aimed at the fact that some of the great benefactors
46:57
Speaker 1: for the NGV include the Gandel through the Chadstone. At
47:03
Speaker 1: least New South Wales is tougher on this stuff. Because
47:06
Speaker 1: these protesters wanted to walk across the Sydney Harbor Bridge
47:09
Speaker 1: in protest on Sunday Christopher Min's a premier there and said, Nope,
47:12
Speaker 1: you're not going to do it. They've got a permit
47:14
Speaker 1: system for marches. Police have come out this afternoon and
47:16
Speaker 1: said we're not going to give you a permit. We'll
47:18
Speaker 1: go to the Supreme Court to enforce that. Why can't
47:21
Speaker 1: Victoria wake up? Well, we know the answer. I'll ask
47:24
Speaker 1: you the question. You give me the obvious answer. Why
47:28
Speaker 1: we're not got a permit system? And why don't we
47:30
Speaker 1: stop icons of our city being shut down by these
47:34
Speaker 1: protests every Sunday?
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Speaker 16: Oh absolutely, Steve. I mean, but look at what the
47:38
Speaker 16: Victorian government has actually said. I mean to see their
47:40
Speaker 16: al on the Premier is basically sort of battered away,
47:42
Speaker 16: but the Multicultural Affairs minister ingrid stit basically said, oh,
47:47
Speaker 16: had we had peaceful protests, we don't interfere with peaceful protesters.
47:52
Speaker 16: I don't see putting a red dye in the whol
47:55
Speaker 16: outside of the National Gallery.
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Speaker 1: They attacked tol Holdings last night. Adam, why don't we
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Speaker 1: have a permit system?
48:01
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. I mean, it's probably intricacies of
48:03
Speaker 5: state law.
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Speaker 17: But you know, the broader point here is and at
48:06
Speaker 17: the same time, We're all upset about this. Australia is
48:08
Speaker 17: still importing tens of thousands of people from around the world.
48:11
Speaker 5: Are that loath Israel and there's going to be more
48:12
Speaker 5: and more protests.
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Speaker 17: So you know, we need to take a hard look
48:15
Speaker 17: at our migration system and ask whether you know this
48:17
Speaker 17: is this is serving the national interest anymore.
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Speaker 1: Terry Adam, thanks for coming. Appreciates that very much. On
48:23
Speaker 1: the protest issue, we will tomorrow be covering that farmer's protest.
48:27
Speaker 1: They're going to descend on Melbourne outside Parliament House. That's
48:30
Speaker 1: a proper protest over what's being done to them in
48:33
Speaker 1: regard to renewable energy. So we will. I'll try and
48:36
Speaker 1: get up to that protest tomorrow and I'll report back
48:38
Speaker 1: to you tomorrow night on what happens. I will see
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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night.