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Man Assaulted By Thirsty Women at Con, Women Most Affected | Maintaining Frame 175 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: All right, good morning, good afternoon, good evening everyone, wherever
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Speaker 1: you may be, and welcome to Honeybadger Radio. My name
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Speaker 1: is Brian and I'm here with Allison, and this is
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Speaker 1: maintaining frame number one seventy five. A man assaulted by
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Speaker 1: thirsty women at con women most affected. Where we'll be Well,
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Speaker 1: this isn't I mean guess, I guess this is technically
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a conversation about more. I talked about
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Speaker 1: this a bit on Monday, or not Monday, last Friday
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Speaker 1: when we had a Twitter x space, but Alison really
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Speaker 1: wanted to give her two cents on it. So we're
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Speaker 1: revisiting and we'll try and get a little bit deeper
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Speaker 1: into it. I have here the website that covered it.
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Speaker 1: Think I don't know if this was the first place,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's the most interesting because I believe,
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Speaker 1: and I might be wrong, but I believe this is
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Speaker 1: a feminist website, or at least like feminist friendly a
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Speaker 1: fellow traveler, and they covered this event. So alson, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to hand it to you right now so you
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Speaker 1: can do the things, and then I guess we'll get
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Speaker 1: into it.
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Speaker 2: All right. Well, first of all, I just want to
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Speaker 2: say that I'm going to be bringing the studies. That's
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Speaker 2: why I wanted to also talk about this and more
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Speaker 2: of the context in which this is occurring. So this
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Speaker 2: is a gang sexual assault of a male performer at
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Speaker 2: a dark romanticy convention called I Believe Sinners and Stardust.
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Speaker 2: That's correct, right, Brian. And this happened, And the overall
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Speaker 2: problem that I am seeing is that the community is
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Speaker 2: not taking responsibility for the reason why this happened, and
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Speaker 2: they're continuing to promote narratives, irresponsible, self serving, syllopsistic narratives
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Speaker 2: around this event, which means that this community is completely irresponsible.
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Speaker 2: And I want to point out what happened ten years
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Speaker 2: ago to other convention spaces when it was alleged that
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Speaker 2: women were being not even group sexually assaulted in public.
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Speaker 2: But because I don't think we'd ever hear the end
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Speaker 2: of that, and I think that would have probably ended
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Speaker 2: several convention circuits if it had ever happened. We women
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Speaker 2: being made uncomfortable by men going into elevators with them
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Speaker 2: and saying, Hey, would you like to come back to
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Speaker 2: my room for a cup of coffee? Women being made
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable because a couple of guys behind sitting behind them
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Speaker 2: said had made a dongle joke like I got a
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Speaker 2: big dongle, and they're talking about actually USB dongles, and
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Speaker 2: a woman got upset over that, and then also women
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Speaker 2: getting upset over men having pin up t shirt of
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Speaker 2: shirts with pin ups on them, and all of these
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Speaker 2: infractions which basically amounted to women feeling uncomfortable or potentially
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Speaker 2: women wanting to use their sense of offense and discomfort
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Speaker 2: to control the community. Because what ended and falling out
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Speaker 2: of that is women making false accusations, women using accusations
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Speaker 2: to get preferential treatment like jumping lines, and all kinds
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Speaker 2: of other stuff like that. And it wasn't even this happening,
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Speaker 2: It was just women made uncomfortable. World has to rearrange itself, well,
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Speaker 2: certain women, because there had always been women at these events,
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Speaker 2: but certain women wanted to use their discomfort and their
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Speaker 2: feelings to rearrange the entire community so that they controlled it.
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Speaker 2: They controlled access, they controlled gate keeped policy procedures, and
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Speaker 2: all kinds of other stuff. As a direct result of that,
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Speaker 2: I was kicked out of a convention. And all it
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Speaker 2: boils down to is I supposedly made women feel uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: because I went to a panel for women into Comics,
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Speaker 2: which I was at the time doing a comic, and
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Speaker 2: I spoke to a topic that feminists brought up. They
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Speaker 2: brought up the topic of men's rights activists. They said,
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Speaker 2: why can't we have a dialogue, and I said, okay,
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Speaker 2: let's have a dialogue. And then that made them feel
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable and I got kicked out of the convention for that.
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Speaker 2: So I was actually a victim, if you want to
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Speaker 2: use that word, of this entire landscape of the world
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Speaker 2: needing to change to remove women's feelings of offense or discomfort. Right,
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Speaker 2: And now we have a convention that is probably female led,
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Speaker 2: female directed, female run for a specifically female genre of fiction,
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Speaker 2: dark romanticy. And if you guys don't know what that is,
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Speaker 2: it's basically just rape and torture violence. It's basically women
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Speaker 2: fetishizing dark.
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Speaker 1: Beyond natural elements like vampires and wear wolves.
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Speaker 2: But it's beyond the specific you know, No, that's not no.
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Speaker 2: Dark romanticy is that it is non con it is abusive,
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Speaker 2: it is torture, it is you know, I've read some
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Speaker 2: of it. The To my defense, the writer was really good. So,
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Speaker 2: but I've read it. I know what it is. It
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Speaker 2: is non con It's all of the aggressive ABUSEI of
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Speaker 2: like stuff that we hear that women tend to gravitate
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Speaker 2: towards when we look at visual porn, except it's written.
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Speaker 2: So this is rape fetishism basically, and at this convention,
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Speaker 2: which is astounding, Like, could you imagine a male convention
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Speaker 2: on this topic. At this convention, female led female managed
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Speaker 2: a targeted female genre. At this convention, a man gets
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Speaker 2: sexually assaulted in public by multiple people, and not just
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Speaker 2: sexually assaulted, apparently hunted down, groped in such a way
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Speaker 2: that he ended up blacking out from the panic of it,
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Speaker 2: and then he had an air tag put on his
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Speaker 2: person to keep tracking him like this, this is appalling.
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Speaker 2: Could you imagine, like remember all of the minuscule bull
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Speaker 2: shit that we had to deal with with these these
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Speaker 2: attacks on conventions by feminists. Sorry, Boycat is being very
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Speaker 2: vociferous for some reason. I apologize. Guys, remember that, Brian,
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Speaker 2: Like do you know I'm not gonna remember that, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And you remember all of how trivial it was, how
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Speaker 2: it was all about, Oh, I have to deal with
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Speaker 2: other human beings in my space who might want to
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Speaker 2: interact with me in certain ways. No, I don't recall
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Speaker 2: any groping. I think that if there had been, those
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Speaker 2: would have been the memorable events, not someone approaching a woman. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: someone being a little bit I don't know, hovery towards
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Speaker 2: a cost player, you know. I think that if that
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Speaker 2: had actually happened, we will this this incident would be
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Speaker 2: burned in our mind.
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Speaker 1: But consent was a big mantra at all the main
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Speaker 1: they would have signs everywhere, and of course they would
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Speaker 1: never really define that like consent. Like people were there
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Speaker 1: taking pictures and so like if somebody wanted to and
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Speaker 1: they often did do this, they would get really like
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Speaker 1: they would like call security on someone who took a
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Speaker 1: picture that they happened to be in if they were
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Speaker 1: like dressed up. You know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it was ridiculous what the community
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Speaker 2: had to accommodate in terms of people's feels, well, women's feels,
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Speaker 2: specific group of women, let's be on women's Yeah, specific
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Speaker 2: group of women who say that they they speak for
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Speaker 2: all women, let's put it that way, And they do
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Speaker 2: that because it gives them more clout. But I remember
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Speaker 2: all that, and then this this all right? This convention
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Speaker 2: has done is that where is the where is the movement?
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Speaker 2: A penis is not half, you know, like he doesn't
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Speaker 2: give consent just by existing, you know. And this was
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Speaker 2: a cosplayer, guys, this was this was talent at the convention.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of booth babes being treated like this.
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Speaker 2: And if they were, people would have met, men would
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Speaker 2: have ended up in jail. Let's be frank, This would
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Speaker 2: the police would have come in. This would probably be
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Speaker 2: a situation where the entire convention and the concept was
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Speaker 2: shut down completely right, and there wouldn't be any like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: how can we reframe this to make women out to
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Speaker 2: be the real victims, you know, herpoderp It would be
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Speaker 2: shut down, and it would have launched a entire review
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Speaker 2: of the genre of convention that this is part of.
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Speaker 2: And then there would be masculinists who would insist on
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Speaker 2: panels to review women's behavior for offense and potential degradation
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Speaker 2: of men. But that's not what happens because it's a man.
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Speaker 2: Because we live in a patriarchy that teaches men an
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Speaker 2: identity that makes them a sexual resource for women. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna repeat that this patriarchy for the benefit of men
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Speaker 2: teaches men an identity that make them feel like they
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Speaker 2: need to be rateful or silent when they are sexually
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Speaker 2: abused and sexually exploited by women. So this patriarchy turns
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Speaker 2: men into a sexual resource for women. I hate using
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Speaker 2: the word patriarchy. It's absolutely ridiculous because again it has
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Speaker 2: so much feminist baggage. Because I'll say that patriarchy is
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Speaker 2: for the benefit of it's men raping and abusing women
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Speaker 2: for the benefit of men. And yet this is a
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Speaker 2: convention where women are fetishizing that behavior, you know, and
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Speaker 2: then they engage in that behavior towards a man and
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Speaker 2: it's just okay, yeah, so rape this patriarchy. Anyway, we're
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Speaker 2: going to go through all of that. I just wanted
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Speaker 2: to get my first rant out because this is right
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Speaker 2: in my wheelhouse. This just hits my wheelhouse because I've
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Speaker 2: always been about trying to bring attention to male victims
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Speaker 2: and female victims of female predators and see that they get,
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Speaker 2: you know, attention and services, and also that feminists don't
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Speaker 2: get to margin them in order to dose. Rape and
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Speaker 2: domestic violence is a bludgeon against men.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to get it out of the way and
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Speaker 2: So I was I was lying in bed last night
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Speaker 2: thinking about this crap as I do. That's why I
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Speaker 2: don't get any sleep, and I was thinking about all right,
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Speaker 2: so feminists conjecture this is in feminist framework like academia, right,
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Speaker 2: Like the lay feminist doesn't know the full extent of
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Speaker 2: the horror that is feminism. But feminists in academia conjecture
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Speaker 2: that men use rape and domestic violence to polled patriarchy.
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Speaker 2: I want to just want to before we get into
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Speaker 2: why that's so ridiculous, I want to describe something that
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Speaker 2: happened in the Middle Ages. It was illegal for a
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Speaker 2: peasant to own a sword. Now, why is the case
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Speaker 2: that it was illegal for a peasant own a sword?
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Speaker 2: Because the aristocrats wanted a monopoly on the violence that
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Speaker 2: maintained the system. Right, they wanted to be able to
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Speaker 2: be the ones who were They wanted basically a cartel.
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Speaker 2: They wanted a monopoly on the violence that maintained the system.
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Speaker 2: So they made it illegal for peasants to use swords,
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Speaker 2: you know, a capital offense if a peasant had a
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Speaker 2: sword off with his head or maybe it wasn't that bad,
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Speaker 2: but at very least imprisonment finds whatever. So they've actively
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Speaker 2: suppressed peasants using the tools that they used to maintain
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Speaker 2: the social structure. Right, what is happening in our patriarchy?
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Speaker 2: Patriarchy uses rape and domestic violence to maintain the social structure,
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Speaker 2: and yet the people who are most free to use
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Speaker 2: it are women, and patriarchy apparently also teaches men to
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Speaker 2: shut up about it. So do you understand, like this
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Speaker 2: makes no sense. If that was used by patriarchy to
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Speaker 2: maintain the structure, they'd be like aristocrats. They would go
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Speaker 2: out of their way to make sure that the peasants
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Speaker 2: women never had access to the tools that maintain the structure.
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Speaker 2: In a patriarchy, as per feminist imagining, women would be
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Speaker 2: subject to the greatest censure when they use domestic violence
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Speaker 2: and sexual assault because they would be appropriating the tools
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Speaker 2: of the patriarchy the patriarchy in order to unravel it.
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Speaker 2: So women would be subject to oh of the fines,
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Speaker 2: the oversight. They would be more likely to be rested, convicted,
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Speaker 2: They would serve longer sentences for engaging in domestic violence
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Speaker 2: against men. They would do that. There would be absolutely
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Speaker 2: no question that women's sexual violence against men is a
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Speaker 2: horror that should be punished by long prison sentences. And
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Speaker 2: in the past before we were less progressive by simply
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Speaker 2: killing the woman like this is what would really happen
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Speaker 2: if feminist patriarchy was actually true. And now we're going
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Speaker 2: to listen to a bunch of sexually entitled predators to
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Speaker 2: use the concept of feminist patriarchy to justify continuing to
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Speaker 2: be irresponsible, selfish, abusive, and titled narcissistic rapists. Okay, yep,
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Speaker 1: All right. So we're gonna be looking at this article
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Speaker 1: fem this article. I checked on it. All of the
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Speaker 1: about their diverse identities. So this is definitely a feminie,
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Speaker 1: a feminist thing. And for some reason feminists have this
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Speaker 1: I don't get it, but they do it a lot.
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Speaker 1: You know, They're like constantly reminding us that they know
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Speaker 1: what the sixties are for some reason anyway, maybe they
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Speaker 1: never shook that from Glorious Steinem's days. So here's the
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Speaker 1: blog posts from SB Sarah. SB stands for Smart Bitch,
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Speaker 1: So Smart Bitch Sarah, Sinners and Stardust and sexual assault. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll skip the trigger warnings at the beginning. The Chon
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Speaker 1: drama has been NonStop this year as people try to
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Speaker 1: launch weekend events and one, two or nineteen things go wrong.
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Speaker 1: The latest Sinners and Stardust. Sinners and Stardust is a
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Speaker 1: weekend event that hosts on author signing and a Dark
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Speaker 1: Romance Ball to celebrate the readers and authors of Dark Romance.
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Speaker 1: At the ball, apparently many many things went very very wrong.
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Speaker 1: It was the top few trending topics on threads in fact,
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Speaker 1: and then there's like a screenshot of all of these
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Speaker 1: different I guess interactions with trending topics, and one of
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Speaker 1: them was the Sinners and start Us thing. Look at
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Speaker 1: that more posts on this topic than on Taylor Swift's
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Speaker 1: album and Jillian Michael's being a racist because they don't
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Speaker 1: like Jillian Michaels because I guess they think she's a racist.
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Speaker 1: Now whatever. Oh, by the way, we got a super
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Speaker 1: chat from Albatross for two and he says, we appreciate
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Speaker 1: we apparently live in a limp wristed patriarchy. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: No, no crap, no crap detected Yeah, clips risted patriarchy. Ever, Like,
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Speaker 2: I mean, you think if patriarchy uses rape to maintain itself,
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Speaker 2: at least it wouldn't give men an identity in which
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Speaker 2: they have to submit to female sexual entitlement without complaint. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 2: I know that's a little complicated. It's probably okay.
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Speaker 1: So, so she's going to describe the event, and I
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Speaker 1: want you pay attention to the tone of this. So
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Speaker 1: what happened? HG. Carlton reported on Instagram the cosplayer Animus,
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Speaker 1: who was in attendance, was allegedly groped to the point
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Speaker 1: that their body paint and they're saying there even though
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Speaker 1: animus is a man, I just want to clarify. They're
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Speaker 1: going to use like non binary pronouns sometimes, but animus
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Speaker 1: is a man and even identifies as one in case
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Speaker 1: you're one of those people that needs to hear that.
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Speaker 1: To their body point, their body paint was smeared with handprints,
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Speaker 1: they were allegedly sexually assaulted and had an air tag
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Speaker 1: place somewhere near or on their person.
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Speaker 2: And here is a allegedly sexually assaulted who are you
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Speaker 2: defending men.
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Speaker 1: Allegedly sexually assaulted and had an air tag place somewhere
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Speaker 1: near there's nobody who's even.
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Speaker 2: Been identified in this crowd. Like I think we get
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Speaker 2: at this point, we can assume if there's this physical
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Speaker 2: evidence that he has been touched in this man, that
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Speaker 2: it happened like I mean, handprints all over your body
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Speaker 2: sort of a incontrovertible thing. Honestly, this is sexual touching,
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Speaker 2: So it's sexual assault. There's no way around it. But
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Speaker 2: it's interesting that suddenly she's protecting people or she's softening it,
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Speaker 2: not protecting anyone because no one is named and no
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Speaker 2: one is going to jail guys no one, and this
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Speaker 2: event is going to continue with oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know we'll get to that. Well. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to spoil anything, but okay, So this is
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Speaker 1: an Instagram post, I guess, shared by HD Carlton author
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Speaker 1: that just sort of describes their version of the event.
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Speaker 1: So all right, y'all, it appears I have to make
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Speaker 1: the post that I'm frankly pretty goddamn upset I have
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Speaker 1: to make. This post is for the readers who don't
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Speaker 1: understand consent and boundaries. Only A lot of you may
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Speaker 1: know a good friend of mine, Animus, who is also
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Speaker 1: at Ethereal Treason. He has attended a signing of mine
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Speaker 1: in the past and obviously is a music artist. So
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Speaker 1: this guy's not just a cosplayer guy, but he also
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Speaker 1: is a musician. This past weekend he attended Sinners and
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Speaker 1: Stardust and probably had one of the most heartbreaking experiences.
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Speaker 1: Heartbreaking suggests. I guess he didn't expect it, So listen,
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Speaker 1: he's a man, right, But do we think that means
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Speaker 1: it's okay to put your hands all over him without consent,
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Speaker 1: or to put your hands in his waistband or down
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Speaker 1: his pants or touch his dick? Hello, do we think
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Speaker 1: it's okay to quite literally back him into a corner
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Speaker 1: and touch all over him to the point that he
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Speaker 1: literally cannot tell how many hands are on him and
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Speaker 1: who's or who's Do we think it's okay to send
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Speaker 1: him into an actual panic attack because of this? Furthermore,
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Speaker 1: do we think it's okay to interrogate him and insists
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Speaker 1: he detail how he kidnap a woman despite him repeatedly
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Speaker 1: saying he wouldn't and that you know the shit is
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Speaker 1: fiction trash talk my books to him and try to
20:55
Speaker 1: get him to join in, and then attempt to follow
20:59
Speaker 1: him when he tries to get the fuck away. He
21:02
Speaker 1: had a sweat resistant black paint air brushed on his chest.
21:06
Speaker 1: So it's sweat resistant black paint airbrushed on his chest
21:08
Speaker 1: and was told the only thing that will remove it
21:11
Speaker 1: is body body oils. Why did this man in the
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Speaker 1: night with almost all of it rubbed off and the
21:16
Speaker 1: handprints smeared across his chest? I want you all to
21:19
Speaker 1: seriously say, with yourselves and your actions, and ask yourself
21:23
Speaker 1: if you would be okay with a strange man doing
21:25
Speaker 1: that to you?
21:27
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Right? Yeah? And she's speaking to the
21:31
Speaker 2: absolute sense of entitlement and ignorance of women.
21:36
Speaker 1: You know.
21:37
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, why do we have to
21:40
Speaker 2: have this conversation? Why is it that this generation of
21:44
Speaker 2: women doesn't get it right? And I'm going to show
21:48
Speaker 2: you receipts for this. This generation has its their attitudes
21:53
Speaker 2: towards male victims of female sexual assaulters has deteriorated. It
21:58
Speaker 2: has regress since previous generations, like my generation, like Boomer generation,
22:06
Speaker 2: we had more respectful attitudes towards men's sexuality and their
22:10
Speaker 2: consent than Millennials and Zoomers. Can you believe that over
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Speaker 2: the last fifty years the attitudes for women towards male
22:19
Speaker 2: sexual assault victims has regressed? I wonder why? What could
22:25
Speaker 2: possibly be one of the causal factors of that regression?
22:30
Speaker 2: Perhaps a group of people with extremely nefarious motives taking
22:35
Speaker 2: over the narrative around sexual assaults, venal motives, motives around
22:40
Speaker 2: money and clout, taking over the narrative of sexual assault
22:44
Speaker 2: and framing it in a way that provides the most
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Speaker 2: money and clout and the least amount of responsibility for women.
22:52
Speaker 2: Could that be the fact? Could that be why this
22:54
Speaker 2: is occurring? And it's not just this incident. This incident
22:58
Speaker 2: is illustrative of something of a bigger shift of what
23:01
Speaker 2: they term a millennial shift and what the researchers term
23:04
Speaker 2: a millennial shift, which is, younger women are three to
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Speaker 2: four times more likely to engage in violent sexual assault
23:14
Speaker 2: than older women or any generation of men. Literally, the
23:18
Speaker 2: women putting on these events are part of a group
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Speaker 2: that is the most violently sexual, like sexually violent since
23:27
Speaker 2: we've been keeping track. And also not just that they
23:32
Speaker 2: have studies show that they have the worst attitude towards
23:35
Speaker 2: their victims and also contribute one of the causal factors
23:40
Speaker 2: for female sexual assault or the cause. Yeah, the causal Okay, sorry,
23:44
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a little chaotic because I gotta
23:45
Speaker 2: squish the voidcat. You're gonna squish you. Nope, nope, you
23:49
Speaker 2: will be okay, fine, no squishing, all right. One of
23:52
Speaker 2: the causal factors, or one of the causal I'll use
23:55
Speaker 2: use the word factors. I'm blinking a little. Is that
23:58
Speaker 2: is actual hatred towards the opposite sex. It isn't a
24:02
Speaker 2: causal factor for men for some reason, but it is
24:04
Speaker 2: for women. So that means that there is an association
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Speaker 2: between women hating men or feeling resentment towards men and
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Speaker 2: engaging in sexual assault against them. I want you to, guys,
24:15
Speaker 2: to wrap your mind around all this, and we'll bring
24:17
Speaker 2: up all the receipts for this. This is just mealy mouthed. Yeah,
24:20
Speaker 2: it's great that she's telling these women to take responsibility.
24:25
Speaker 2: And incidentally, can you imagine the horror of this. The
24:28
Speaker 2: only thing that can move this paint is body oils, right,
24:32
Speaker 2: So these subterranean creatures surrounded him and put their tentacles
24:37
Speaker 2: all over him to the point where they were smearing
24:40
Speaker 2: their body. And you've got to imagine, like this is
24:43
Speaker 2: a convention, hygiene is optional for a lot of these people.
24:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably weren't attractive. I'm just gonna say it, like,
24:52
Speaker 1: they probably were not attractive. This wasn't like you know,
24:55
Speaker 1: when that the Hard Day's Night video where the Beatles
24:59
Speaker 1: are running from horror of like, you know, cute girls.
25:03
Speaker 1: These are probably not like that at all. So they're
25:06
Speaker 1: not gal gun.
25:08
Speaker 2: They're not even like passibly mid probably no, and hygiene issues,
25:15
Speaker 2: do you imagine? And I'm going to use the word
25:17
Speaker 2: neck beard. I don't even have to use it ironically
25:19
Speaker 2: here because they probably were. Could you imagine being cornered
25:23
Speaker 2: by a bunch of grotesque net beards and then having
25:27
Speaker 2: them smear their body oils all over you, the stink
25:31
Speaker 2: like a war had fast like good lord. So there's
25:35
Speaker 2: no way. I don't think there's any man alive who's
25:38
Speaker 2: actually fantasize. Well, maybe there is. I shouldn't say that
25:40
Speaker 2: there probably is one or two who would fantasize about
25:43
Speaker 2: such a thing. But I think most people can agree
25:46
Speaker 2: that this is an extremely unpleasant experience and it wouldn't
25:49
Speaker 2: be better if they were attractive. Well, it would be better,
25:53
Speaker 2: let's face it, oh.
25:54
Speaker 1: God, slightly. But I don't think it doesn't change the
25:57
Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't change.
25:59
Speaker 2: The fact that it's sexual assault, right. I mean, women
26:03
Speaker 2: have gone through all kinds of effort to say, oh,
26:06
Speaker 2: even if he's attractive, it's still sexual assault. Well it's
26:08
Speaker 2: the same thing applies. But the thing is that if
26:11
Speaker 2: they probably weren't attractive, let's be honest, no, probably not,
26:16
Speaker 2: but were they were probably the t app customers, No they.
26:21
Speaker 1: I mean, like, considering how many hands are on him,
26:24
Speaker 1: it could have just been like one organism with just
26:27
Speaker 1: hands all over. Yeah, he couldn't even make it out
26:29
Speaker 1: just a blob, you know.
26:31
Speaker 2: Monster from Emil sexual id Yeah, okay, but you know
26:38
Speaker 2: it's still even if they were all hot models. Well,
26:42
Speaker 2: the thing with that is there would be more likely
26:44
Speaker 2: that he'd be consenting to that, supposedly, but it doesn't matter.
26:49
Speaker 2: This was sexual assault, right, And I believe that this
26:52
Speaker 2: was his his friend and the author he costplays one
26:56
Speaker 2: of her characters and she's talking about about this and
27:01
Speaker 2: her description is probably from a woman. Her description is
27:06
Speaker 2: probably better than any of the others. But let's keep going. Yeah,
27:11
Speaker 2: it gets worse.
27:12
Speaker 1: Okay, so ahh Carlton Aller continues, And if that wasn't
27:18
Speaker 1: bad enough, during the time of this mob, him and
27:22
Speaker 1: another author received a notification that an air tag was
27:25
Speaker 1: tracking him, which showed it on his person all the
27:28
Speaker 1: way to his hotel room. He knows how air tags
27:32
Speaker 1: work and that close by ones can trigger notifications. This
27:35
Speaker 1: was not the case. Also, he got the notification way
27:38
Speaker 1: later because he had no signal at the event and
27:41
Speaker 1: didn't come through until he got signal. Again, that is
27:44
Speaker 1: literally sickening, and I'm ill that someone might have planted
27:48
Speaker 1: a tracking device on him. What well, I don't know,
27:52
Speaker 1: probably to show up at his hotel room. You guys
27:54
Speaker 1: do know that these books are fiction, right. We enjoy
27:57
Speaker 1: these books because they're fiction. We do not condone these
28:01
Speaker 1: actions in real life. And while it's okay to act
28:03
Speaker 1: out your fantasies consensually with a trusted adult, it is
28:07
Speaker 1: not okay to ask a complete stranger to do so,
28:09
Speaker 1: or take it upon yourselves a sexually assault him. Like,
28:14
Speaker 1: I'm so incredibly disappointed. Did you want to say something?
28:17
Speaker 2: I did want to say something. You know what, I'll
28:20
Speaker 2: leave it to the end. Let's just keep going. Well,
28:22
Speaker 2: all right, Honestly, this actually works better for Schwartz if
28:24
Speaker 2: we do a bit and then respond to it. If
28:27
Speaker 2: this had been a male rape fetishist event and this
28:32
Speaker 2: had happened to a female performer, even if the specific
28:37
Speaker 2: men who engaged in the gang sexual assault weren't identified,
28:41
Speaker 2: the convention organizers would be dealing with legal shit, and
28:45
Speaker 2: the very least, the convention circuit would be calling for
28:48
Speaker 2: the entire convention to be shut down.
28:50
Speaker 1: It would have brought in Seal Team sucks.
28:52
Speaker 2: This is not acceptable, that this is not accept This
28:55
Speaker 2: event would be annihilated if it was reversed, it will
28:59
Speaker 2: be banned ever and again, remember my example of the
29:02
Speaker 2: peasants not being allowed to use a sword. Feminists say
29:05
Speaker 2: that rape is patriarchy's swords, and yet who gets carte
29:11
Speaker 2: blanche to enact their sexually entitled fantasies on the opposite
29:16
Speaker 2: sex And no, that is that weapon would not be
29:20
Speaker 2: allowed to be in the hands of women. And yet
29:22
Speaker 2: instead what we're seeing is that peasants are the ones
29:25
Speaker 2: who are allowed to have swords. Well, aristocrats are denied them,
29:29
Speaker 2: which means their entire construction is absolute, utter drek and bullshit.
29:35
Speaker 2: And yet they continue to trot it out because it
29:40
Speaker 2: allows them to use rape as a rhetorical tool against
29:44
Speaker 2: weapon against men. Okay, let's keep going.
29:47
Speaker 1: All right. I'm so incredibly disappointed that he was treated
29:52
Speaker 1: this way. I brought him into this space because I
29:54
Speaker 1: trusted that he would be safe with y'all, and the
29:57
Speaker 1: fact that he wasn't because they're real. She thought that,
30:01
Speaker 1: because they're women, that's why. I think, that's why, And
30:05
Speaker 1: the fact that he wasn't he wasn't is quite eye opening.
30:08
Speaker 1: And boy does this affect my decisions for my own
30:11
Speaker 1: future attendances, especially because he was not the only one
30:15
Speaker 1: disrespected at this event by a long shot. So many
30:18
Speaker 1: authors are coming out about people crossing boundaries in a
30:21
Speaker 1: multitude of ways. I've had to have this conversation before
30:24
Speaker 1: with asking my husband gross personal questions. So why are
30:28
Speaker 1: we taking it a step further and assaulting people? Now
30:31
Speaker 1: I'm Jacob.
30:32
Speaker 2: There's no oversight, like, why are we taking it a
30:35
Speaker 2: step further? Because you're not held responsible for your behavior? Nope,
30:39
Speaker 2: none of the women who did this are going to
30:41
Speaker 2: be held responsible. None of the convention organizers who constructed
30:45
Speaker 2: a situation where this happens are going to be held responsible.
30:49
Speaker 2: Like nothing. And the thing is that you aren't taking
30:52
Speaker 2: responsibility for not realizing the danger you were putting your
30:56
Speaker 2: friend in because you think that women are angels and
31:00
Speaker 2: you probably buy into the idea that rape is something
31:02
Speaker 2: that patriarchy uses against women. Right therefore, and also that
31:08
Speaker 2: narrative embolden's female sexual assaulters because instead of assaulting men,
31:14
Speaker 2: they're just giving them the opportunity to understand what women feel. Right, Okay,
31:20
Speaker 2: so you're part of the problem and you haven't taken responsibility.
31:24
Speaker 2: Never invite one of your male friends to these events.
31:27
Speaker 2: Never and if you're a man thinking of going to
31:30
Speaker 2: one of these events, do not go because there you
31:33
Speaker 2: will be there will be a free for all. And
31:36
Speaker 2: these are not attractive women, okay, and they're even less
31:40
Speaker 2: attractive because they're sexual assaulters. Right, this is a place
31:45
Speaker 2: where you will have no defense against these women sexual entitlement. Yo,
31:52
Speaker 2: this is there is no secure Like they say that
31:55
Speaker 2: they're making changes, bullshit, they're not making the changes that
31:59
Speaker 2: need to happen, which is holding women accountable for their
32:01
Speaker 2: sexual behavior and knocking off these shitty narratives that justify
32:06
Speaker 2: their sexual violence against men. Right, that soft pedal women's responsibility,
32:14
Speaker 2: Because if this woman actually understood men or cared about them,
32:19
Speaker 2: she would know that women engage in this kind of
32:22
Speaker 2: behavior towards men in these kind of events. And if
32:25
Speaker 2: the kN operators should have been aware of this. Instead
32:31
Speaker 2: they marinated in their bullshit about reality that grape is
32:35
Speaker 2: something men do. Well, maybe women do it, but it's
32:37
Speaker 2: just not the same. It's just not the same. We
32:40
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it. It's women. So you
32:43
Speaker 2: construct a scenario where you dangle a fucking chicken in
32:47
Speaker 2: front of a bunch of goddamn hungry foxes. You constructed
32:52
Speaker 2: this problem, and there's no apparent recognition that that happened,
32:57
Speaker 2: that the CON organizers constructed this problem. Yes, the rapist,
33:01
Speaker 2: the grapist, the sexual assaulters are responsible for their pardon it,
33:04
Speaker 2: But the con organizers constructed this problem because they did
33:08
Speaker 2: not recognize the situation that they were putting these men in.
33:12
Speaker 2: And they did not recognize the situation because their minds
33:15
Speaker 2: are tainted with a particular framework that denies the rate
33:21
Speaker 2: and depth of women's violent sexual entitlement. They should have known,
33:27
Speaker 2: if they were responsible, they would have known. Do they
33:30
Speaker 2: know now? Probably not. They're probably still making excuses in
33:34
Speaker 2: their boardrooms. So if you're a man, do not go
33:37
Speaker 2: to these events. Period. Your male author, do not go
33:41
Speaker 2: to these events. If your male talent, do not go
33:43
Speaker 2: to these events. If you are a drag king, do
33:46
Speaker 2: not go to these events because if they don't have
33:49
Speaker 2: men to enact their violent sexual entitlement on, they'll do
33:52
Speaker 2: it to drag kings. Trans men, well, you know, I
33:56
Speaker 2: don't want to crawl transmen, butch lesbians. If you're a
34:02
Speaker 2: slightly if you're a tomboy, stay away because the fems
34:07
Speaker 2: are on a war path and they have no accountability
34:10
Speaker 2: to anyone.
34:11
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So continuing on, and this kind of
34:15
Speaker 1: like brings home where I think her perspective comes from.
34:18
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely shocked that as women or women presenting, some
34:22
Speaker 1: of you' all thought it was okay to act this way.
34:26
Speaker 1: And as someone who brought him into this space, I
34:29
Speaker 1: feel responsible for him, and I'm so fucking sad that
34:33
Speaker 1: are this behavior.
34:35
Speaker 2: What You are one responsible for bringing him into this
34:40
Speaker 2: without knowing and there were you there, It's everywhere. I
34:46
Speaker 2: don't know how you could not know about hen nights
34:50
Speaker 2: or how bouncers talk about dealing with women during mailed
34:53
Speaker 2: strip shows. How could you not be aware of this?
34:56
Speaker 2: You have your head so far up feminist ideology you
34:59
Speaker 2: can can't see the world if.
35:01
Speaker 1: This was you. Please learn basic respect boundaries and how
35:04
Speaker 1: to ask for constrict Please learn basic respect boundaries and
35:07
Speaker 1: how to ask for consent. Treat others the way you
35:10
Speaker 1: would want to be treated by a strange man, and
35:12
Speaker 1: for the love of God, please do not ever come
35:14
Speaker 1: near me in public. Animus has also posted their own
35:19
Speaker 1: statement about what happened, explains that they are not pressing
35:22
Speaker 1: charges no again. The original writer of this blog is
35:26
Speaker 1: not saying Animis is a man, even though we know
35:29
Speaker 1: Animis is a man. They're saying they and there. I
35:32
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know if it's to like
35:35
Speaker 1: soften the blow or like curb the cognitive dissonance of this.
35:40
Speaker 1: But it's weird that the author of this, the smart
35:43
Speaker 1: bitch Sarah whatever her name is, wrote that. But did
35:46
Speaker 1: you want to say something before I read Animis's statement,
35:48
Speaker 1: because animists statement is really frustrating too, for different reasons.
35:52
Speaker 2: But it's like this is, yes, it is. It's because
35:57
Speaker 2: she has cognitive dissonance over this issue. And this is
36:00
Speaker 2: that's why I say, men, stay the fuck anyone masculine
36:03
Speaker 2: at all, masculine presenting or a man, stay the fuck
36:07
Speaker 2: away from this because these this is a woman who
36:11
Speaker 2: will not take responsibility for what's happening and wants to
36:14
Speaker 2: deflect it onto a narrative that is more comfortable to her.
36:18
Speaker 2: That's what's important here is these women's comfort, and they're
36:22
Speaker 2: not displaying any sense of respond true responsibility for this,
36:27
Speaker 2: like even the woman who brought him, okay, don't bring
36:30
Speaker 2: another man, don't do it, Like there is no accountability
36:34
Speaker 2: women do not have accountability for their sexual violence. So
36:37
Speaker 2: when you put men in these scenarios, you are one
36:40
Speaker 2: hundred percent responsible for what happens. The women are also responsible,
36:45
Speaker 2: but they're not going to take responsibility. They're rapists, Let's
36:48
Speaker 2: be honest. That's why they're ripists. So you have to
36:53
Speaker 2: take responsibility and do not bring your male friends to
36:57
Speaker 2: these events period and don't like again, I would take
37:01
Speaker 2: this so far as do not bring any of your
37:03
Speaker 2: male presenting or trans male friends to these events. Either
37:10
Speaker 2: leave them at home or they'll be safe cause these
37:13
Speaker 2: be graping everybody up there.
37:15
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, all right, so animus this is the animus
37:19
Speaker 1: is the man who was assaulted then went to the event. Okay.
37:24
Speaker 1: First and foremost, I want to thank the community for
37:27
Speaker 1: the overwhelming support since these incidences have been exposed. I
37:32
Speaker 1: also want to commend Sinners and Stardust for implementing a
37:35
Speaker 1: new guideline and rules to make events like these safer
37:38
Speaker 1: for everyone attending. Aside from the ball, I had an
37:41
Speaker 1: amazing time at the signing and I'm so grateful that
37:44
Speaker 1: I got to meet all of you. It's a lot
37:46
Speaker 1: of like upfront pr stuff. First of all, before I
37:49
Speaker 1: criticize anything, please know that I'm not your enemy. Right,
37:54
Speaker 1: I would like to make it known that I'm not
37:55
Speaker 1: comfortable pressing charges partly because there was a lot of
37:58
Speaker 1: people involved, and because of my mask, I couldn't see
38:01
Speaker 1: very well. It's impossible to remember every one of them,
38:05
Speaker 1: and truthfully, I don't want to force myself to anyway. Okay,
38:08
Speaker 1: when I was.
38:10
Speaker 2: What, I don't want you to think of me as
38:13
Speaker 2: your enemy. Why are you taking responsibility for this in
38:16
Speaker 2: any capacity? Like why is the focus on you being
38:20
Speaker 2: the enemy of these rapeye bitches? Like how did that?
38:23
Speaker 2: How did it be put on you? Their comfort? And incidentally, oh,
38:27
Speaker 2: the con is implementing changes, The con should no longer exist.
38:32
Speaker 2: You get one group sexual assault and then you're done,
38:35
Speaker 2: never to be seen again. Wait, Jesus Christ, there's no
38:41
Speaker 2: going back. There is nothing you can do to make
38:43
Speaker 2: this better except disband and say to these women, your
38:49
Speaker 2: sexual entitlement caused us to realize we are creating a
38:53
Speaker 2: dangerous nuisance. What that means is you're creating the conditions
38:58
Speaker 2: for rape to occur. Right. They used to call these
39:02
Speaker 2: like rape corners or something in an architecture. They are
39:08
Speaker 2: places where you can't see, like they're not visible from
39:10
Speaker 2: the public, they're sort of secreted off. This entire convention
39:15
Speaker 2: is a ripe corner. It's a rape corner waiting to happen,
39:18
Speaker 2: right and until women generally take responsibility for their sexual violence.
39:23
Speaker 2: And we're going in the wrong way for that, Like
39:25
Speaker 2: Zoomer and millennial women are worse for that than boomer
39:28
Speaker 2: and gen z women. They're worse. You're going in the
39:31
Speaker 2: wrong direction for women taking responsibility for their violent sexual
39:35
Speaker 2: entitlement until they do. This is a rape corner event
39:39
Speaker 2: if you bring men to it, so don't. What they
39:43
Speaker 2: should do is they should probably just for their own safety,
39:46
Speaker 2: exclude men from the event entirely. But they're not going
39:48
Speaker 2: to do that because they continue to operate under the
39:51
Speaker 2: assumption that women are angels, and that assumption is leading
39:56
Speaker 2: to women's behavior becoming worse and worse and worse and worse.
40:01
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, continue, and of course this, well that's the thing,
40:05
Speaker 1: Like it didn't surprise me that this guy was being
40:07
Speaker 1: so like, like I don't know, diplomatic to the point
40:12
Speaker 1: of just self sanity, your raisure, just like, well, I
40:15
Speaker 1: guess it's my fall I did it. I'm sorry for
40:18
Speaker 1: I don't want to make enemies with people like this
40:20
Speaker 1: is just like the situation you're in as a man.
40:23
Speaker 1: That's why you can't be around these people anyway.
40:28
Speaker 2: Okay, So I actually, I actually do have a thank
40:31
Speaker 2: you to give to rk FS for two hundred and
40:34
Speaker 2: fifty to the fundraiser for the event, September sixth, September thirteenth, Calgary,
40:40
Speaker 2: albert of Canada.
40:41
Speaker 1: Thank you.
40:41
Speaker 2: I don't see any superchows and please do help us
40:44
Speaker 2: out with that, because you know, I you know it is.
40:49
Speaker 2: It is somewhat expensive renting the venue getting Brian up,
40:52
Speaker 2: and if we can't make that amount, then Brian can't
40:56
Speaker 2: come up. So feed thebasger dot com slash event support
40:59
Speaker 2: the event. We have a.
41:03
Speaker 1: We have a super child just came through. Yeah, anonymous
41:08
Speaker 1: since us five dollars and says and they thought he
41:12
Speaker 1: was safe because we are feminists, we know better, we're
41:16
Speaker 1: better people, Yes, exactly, but that's what they think though.
41:20
Speaker 1: They characterize themselves as better people that understand, and they
41:24
Speaker 1: believe in equality, and they believe all the good things.
41:27
Speaker 1: And if you're not a feminist, you don't believe the
41:28
Speaker 1: good things. You believe the bad things, and therefore this
41:32
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly happen, and yet it happened.
41:36
Speaker 2: Well, why would they be better in this circumstance. In fact,
41:38
Speaker 2: they're significantly worse, because of course they are worse.
41:42
Speaker 1: My point is is that they're going into this. Everyone
41:46
Speaker 1: involved went into this. This is why they're all shocked
41:49
Speaker 1: because they were like, we're feminists, this can't happen. We're
41:52
Speaker 1: better people than other people. We're just the good people.
41:55
Speaker 1: We believe the good things. And people who don't believe
41:57
Speaker 1: what we believe, they obviously believe the bad thing, and
42:00
Speaker 1: they're the bad people, and that's the bad place you
42:02
Speaker 1: don't want to be because they're bad. This is the
42:04
Speaker 1: simplistic thinking they have. So when something does happen, they're like,
42:08
Speaker 1: I am shocked. I can't believe what what is this?
42:12
Speaker 1: How does this? We're the good people, It's impossible. But no,
42:18
Speaker 1: like this guy's saying, we are feminists, we know better,
42:20
Speaker 1: we're better people. That is exactly the mindset. It is
42:23
Speaker 1: exactly the mindset, and that's why when this happens, these
42:27
Speaker 1: people don't understand it because like, wait, how were the
42:30
Speaker 1: good people or they justified it? Well, actually you wanted it.
42:34
Speaker 1: You know, I can't.
42:35
Speaker 2: Fucking believe there's somebody in the special chat Gwenny saying
42:37
Speaker 2: pick me, losers get a hobby. Like literally, we are
42:41
Speaker 2: talking about a man who is sexually assaulted in a convention,
42:44
Speaker 2: a feminist convention. It's either feminist or it's feminist friendly.
42:49
Speaker 2: And I would imagine that most of the people are involved.
42:51
Speaker 2: They are feminist, right, that's what we're talking about, and
42:54
Speaker 2: you are focusing on me being a pickmy. Look, most
42:59
Speaker 2: men don't want want to talk about sexual assault, and
43:02
Speaker 2: they don't particularly want to listen to a woman talking
43:05
Speaker 2: about men being sexually assaulted. This is not a comfortable
43:08
Speaker 2: topic for men. No man is gonna pick me because
43:11
Speaker 2: I talk about it. But I talk about it because
43:13
Speaker 2: it's important, because male victims of sexual assault shouldn't be
43:18
Speaker 2: marginalized in order to make rape into a rhetorical weapon
43:22
Speaker 2: against men like this is just it's horrifying on every
43:26
Speaker 2: fricking level, every fricking level. It is absolutely one hundred
43:31
Speaker 2: percent wrong, and this is a manifestation of it. These
43:34
Speaker 2: people saying, oh, we're good people because we're feminists, but
43:37
Speaker 2: they buy into rhetoric that marginalizes male victims of sexual assault,
43:42
Speaker 2: puts the onus on men at taking it off individual
43:46
Speaker 2: women who actually engage in violent sexual entitlement. This is
43:50
Speaker 2: all a shit show, and I'm gonna call it out
43:53
Speaker 2: simply because it violates my sense of justice and morality.
43:58
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Men aren't gonna p pick me for that.
44:01
Speaker 2: What the pick me if I put my boobs on display?
44:05
Speaker 2: Not if I'm like male men. Women raping men is
44:09
Speaker 2: bad and we need to actually treat it with the
44:11
Speaker 2: dignity and respect it deserves and stop soft pedaling it like,
44:15
Speaker 2: oh well, now he's discovered what and women lived the
44:18
Speaker 2: experiences like what the okay?
44:21
Speaker 1: All right, good lord, back to the article or the blog. Okay,
44:26
Speaker 1: so what else does this guy say? Again? This is
44:28
Speaker 1: the guy who was assaulted for cosplaying around thirsty ass
44:34
Speaker 1: hand beasts. When I was cornered at the ball, I
44:37
Speaker 1: panicked and blacked out. So a lot of that might
44:43
Speaker 1: that night is a blur and I'm still trying to
44:45
Speaker 1: process it. If I'm being honest, I felt their hands
44:48
Speaker 1: better than I could see their faces. This is, like,
44:50
Speaker 1: I guess, one of the reasonings behind why I'm not
44:52
Speaker 1: gonna press charges I knew. I'm new to this world
44:56
Speaker 1: and this was my first big event, so I'm not
44:58
Speaker 1: familiar with anyone in the community outside of my friends yet.
45:01
Speaker 1: But with that said, I do not want to put
45:03
Speaker 1: myself through any more of this by dealing with authorities
45:05
Speaker 1: and trying to remember names and faces and who did what.
45:09
Speaker 1: I just want to make music, read awesome books, and
45:11
Speaker 1: continue to help support the amazing authors in this community.
45:16
Speaker 1: As for the air tag, we were unable to find
45:18
Speaker 1: out who planted it. After the ball, I undressed for bed,
45:21
Speaker 1: and by the time I was notified the next day,
45:25
Speaker 1: we had already left the hotel. We did confirm the
45:27
Speaker 1: air tag was no longer on me or in my bag,
45:30
Speaker 1: and was likely left somewhere in the room from undressing
45:33
Speaker 1: that night. All we know is based on the notification.
45:36
Speaker 1: It started tracking me when I was at the ball
45:38
Speaker 1: and surrounded by people and attract me all the way
45:41
Speaker 1: to my hotel room, which was a different hotel in
45:43
Speaker 1: Boston and not the same one as the event. While
45:46
Speaker 1: this was extremely unnerving to find out, I'm glad I
45:49
Speaker 1: didn't see it until later. I'm glad nothing further happened
45:52
Speaker 1: that night. I'm sorry if my decision is disappointing to everyone,
45:56
Speaker 1: I know you all have asked that I pressed charges,
45:59
Speaker 1: and I really don't want to upset any of you
46:02
Speaker 1: by not doing so, because you don't want to upset
46:04
Speaker 1: anybody anywhere at all, ever, So I just wanted awareness
46:08
Speaker 1: so precautions can be put into place to protect others
46:11
Speaker 1: in the future. Situations like these are far too common.
46:14
Speaker 1: And even though I am upset it happened to me,
46:16
Speaker 1: I'm still just glad to know the event is taking
46:18
Speaker 1: steps to help prevent it from happening again in the future.
46:22
Speaker 1: I hope other book events can do the same so
46:24
Speaker 1: all people feel safe. For those who say I that
46:28
Speaker 1: I should have set better boundaries in the moment when
46:31
Speaker 1: things happened, it brought back past trauma, which ultimately made
46:34
Speaker 1: me shut down.
46:34
Speaker 2: No, you don't take that on, Like seriously, those people
46:40
Speaker 2: need to fuck themselves. How are you supposed to set
46:42
Speaker 2: better boundaries? When I heard of wild Toby's come stampeding
46:46
Speaker 2: towards you and then start putting their tongues all over you, Like,
46:49
Speaker 2: what boundaries could you possibly set? Unless you're like a
46:53
Speaker 2: super like a superhero, or you have super strength, you
46:57
Speaker 2: could just send them flying, Like, what boundary could you
47:00
Speaker 2: have possibly said here?
47:03
Speaker 1: I mean, he thought, he thought back, he could have
47:05
Speaker 1: been accused. Yet he still could be accused of something.
47:09
Speaker 1: It's possible, good Lord.
47:11
Speaker 2: They would love to top this ship. That's the other thing.
47:14
Speaker 2: These women who get into these these headspaces, they do
47:19
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff because it's part of the fantasy.
47:23
Speaker 2: So they'll sexually assault this guy and then accuse him
47:26
Speaker 2: of assault because it's part of the fantasy that they
47:29
Speaker 2: were the ones who were taking advantage of, or because
47:32
Speaker 2: they want to absolve themselves of guilt by projecting it
47:34
Speaker 2: onto the nearest target. Men. Do not go to these events.
47:39
Speaker 2: Do not go to them, Sam, I am not with
47:43
Speaker 2: green eggs or ham Wow. No, I do not like.
47:45
Speaker 2: I do not like these hand beasts. I do not
47:49
Speaker 2: like them. Sam, I am like, don't go to these
47:51
Speaker 2: freaking events.
47:53
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, do accept better boundaries, right. I
47:59
Speaker 1: also didn't want anyone to feel unsafe or disrespected and
48:02
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure everyone had a good time, even
48:04
Speaker 1: if it resulted in me being the one to take
48:06
Speaker 1: the hit. I am sorry you feel that I should
48:09
Speaker 1: have done more, and I truly wish I did as well.
48:11
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds a little bit martyie, but also.
48:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Like I guess I'll just get assaulted by
48:18
Speaker 1: all these women I don't want to. Yeah, No, this
48:25
Speaker 1: guy's totally a male feminist. I guarantee it. I guarantee it.
48:28
Speaker 2: His refusal, Kudoko's Evil Twins says, his refusal to press charges,
48:33
Speaker 2: could it be that he believes nothing would come of it,
48:35
Speaker 2: as in no justice that's entirely possible as possible. Yeah,
48:42
Speaker 2: I mean this particular, he doesn't seem to well, maybe
48:46
Speaker 2: he feels like a bit of responsibility for others, but
48:48
Speaker 2: I don't think that the changes that they've instituted are
48:50
Speaker 2: going to change anything. And again, if this was reversed,
48:54
Speaker 2: if the sexes were reversed, this convention would cease to exist,
48:57
Speaker 2: and the convention organizers would be up on charges of
49:00
Speaker 2: something like something based around creating an unsafe space, like genuinely,
49:05
Speaker 2: like you can get charged for creating a space that's
49:08
Speaker 2: likely to cause criminal activity, So they would be facing something.
49:14
Speaker 2: But no they're not, because it's a woman's event, and
49:17
Speaker 2: in our patriarchy, it just hands swords out to women,
49:21
Speaker 2: just like every aristocracy in the past was just like peasants,
49:24
Speaker 2: come get your free swords. That's the way we roll here.
49:28
Speaker 2: We just give you access to the thing that keeps
49:31
Speaker 2: the society in our favor, and patriarchy just gives women
49:34
Speaker 2: free access to the thing that supposedly keeps society in
49:37
Speaker 2: men's favor.
49:38
Speaker 1: Good lord, yep, all right, he continues, Thank you HD
49:43
Speaker 1: Carlton for being the voice when mine fell short and
49:46
Speaker 1: supporting me through this, as well as NAS Santana Hawk
49:50
Speaker 1: and everyone else behind closed doors that continue to be
49:53
Speaker 1: my support when I need it the most. And I
49:55
Speaker 1: want to thank the book community again for showing up
49:57
Speaker 1: to defend me and for the incredible amount of support.
50:00
Speaker 1: I truly was not expecting it to this level. He
50:03
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting it to this level. And every one of
50:06
Speaker 1: you helped restore what those at the ball stripped from me,
50:09
Speaker 1: which is my safety in this community. I don't think
50:12
Speaker 1: them speaking out is the same as you getting like
50:15
Speaker 1: fucking man horde.
50:17
Speaker 2: But okay, why does this man need defense like this community?
50:21
Speaker 2: All right? So there's some members of this community that
50:23
Speaker 2: defended him against what being sexually assaulted. Nobody else sees
50:29
Speaker 2: that as a bit of a problem. Could you imagine
50:31
Speaker 2: all the like this this a female talent.
50:34
Speaker 1: What do they mean by protect I just said I'm
50:36
Speaker 1: sorry that happened to you. Press charges? No, Like, no,
50:39
Speaker 1: nothing else happened out of that. Like I'm just saying
50:41
Speaker 1: it's a It's like it's like of me, I.
50:45
Speaker 2: Would be throwing punches.
50:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
50:50
Speaker 2: But it's but but Mike, Okay, why does he need protecting?
50:59
Speaker 2: Why is the community, anyone in the community attacking him? Right?
51:04
Speaker 2: What does he need protection from? Like maybe this is
51:08
Speaker 2: talking about the people who gauge gauged in the sexual assault,
51:12
Speaker 2: But who at the event protected him? There's no, there's
51:16
Speaker 2: no like, yeah, just saying sorry that happened to you,
51:20
Speaker 2: press charges. That's not protection. That's absolutely minuscule effort. Was
51:27
Speaker 2: there anyone at the event? Did that con organizers put
51:31
Speaker 2: any security in place knowing that something like this could happen, right?
51:36
Speaker 2: Was there anyone? Oh? Did he? Does this guy have
51:38
Speaker 2: a bodyguard? Knowing understanding the violent sexual entitlement of this
51:43
Speaker 2: generation of women. Was he surrounded by bodyguards? This is
51:46
Speaker 2: what you really need to do. That's the change that
51:48
Speaker 2: needs to happen, is that these men need to be
51:51
Speaker 2: escorted by bodyguards, probably women who are willing to throw
51:56
Speaker 2: hands at these bitches if they take liberties because a
51:59
Speaker 2: man is going to you know, he's gonna end up
52:02
Speaker 2: in jail if he does that. So where were they were?
52:06
Speaker 2: Where was the security in all this? Did you not
52:09
Speaker 2: think you had to have it? Because you think that
52:12
Speaker 2: you have this? And the thing is that feminists will say,
52:15
Speaker 2: oh yes, patriarchy says that women are sexual angels and
52:19
Speaker 2: pure and that they do not challenge that in themselves
52:23
Speaker 2: because it's convenient to continue to use rape is a
52:26
Speaker 2: rhetorical weapon against men.
52:29
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go okay, Yeah, I know, uh okay. So
52:37
Speaker 1: I am taking some time to process and heal, and
52:40
Speaker 1: I will continue to pour my heart and soul into
52:42
Speaker 1: my music. I hope more than anything this incident is
52:45
Speaker 1: not what everyone chooses to remember me by, and that
52:48
Speaker 1: one day my music will speak louder. Thank you, Animus God.
52:52
Speaker 1: That was kind of cringe. Dana le and author posted,
52:54
Speaker 1: I'd like to remind people that kissing an author is
52:57
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable. What more like, it isn't that just sexual assault?
53:02
Speaker 1: Like like if a man just kissed an author like
53:04
Speaker 1: a female author would that wouldn't that just be like
53:08
Speaker 1: sexual assault and he gets thrown solitary confinement when but
53:12
Speaker 1: when a woman does to a man that like it's
53:14
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of cringe, guys, that's kind of uncomfortable. Man,
53:19
Speaker 1: Why watch it? You might be crossing a line there.
53:23
Speaker 1: We might have to like call it uncomfortable. It might
53:27
Speaker 1: be like like.
53:27
Speaker 2: Using your your top, you know, your cutlery from the
53:30
Speaker 2: inside outs rather than the outside in a little bit
53:32
Speaker 2: of a faux pas there.
53:37
Speaker 1: I mean cultural differences and all aside.
53:42
Speaker 2: So it's hard.
53:44
Speaker 1: They don't even they're just like uncomfortable. Multi like somebody
53:49
Speaker 1: party in an elevator with you. You know this is.
53:55
Speaker 2: Slightly steaky, but you know, still feel safe moist. Look
54:02
Speaker 2: this who at this convention? Multiple sexual assaults took place
54:07
Speaker 2: and nobody's asking questions like the questions that need to
54:10
Speaker 2: be asked, like, uh, how do we stop this event
54:12
Speaker 2: from continuing? And there's no general outcry in the community
54:17
Speaker 2: about needing like a what a committee of men to
54:20
Speaker 2: oversee their sexual assault policy? Would they do that? Of
54:24
Speaker 2: course not? But yet, what happened when a woman was
54:27
Speaker 2: approached in an elevator in a NERD convention? Like what
54:32
Speaker 2: happened with this, All of this cosplay is not consent. Immediately,
54:35
Speaker 2: they installed these star panels of women to control the
54:40
Speaker 2: social environment at these cons That's not happening here, is it. No,
54:45
Speaker 2: it's not. And again, I don't even think a convention
54:47
Speaker 2: will exist after this, multiple sexual assaults, multiple people being
54:52
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted at this convention, and they're still continuing. They're
54:57
Speaker 2: not They're not just like hanging their head in shape
55:00
Speaker 2: I am and ending it and saying, guys, no, you
55:02
Speaker 2: don't get this anymore because you have proven through your
55:06
Speaker 2: multiple sexual assaults by this community. And I say the community,
55:13
Speaker 2: because this is like the gang assault with nobody actually
55:18
Speaker 2: trying to pull these women off. I haven't heard any
55:21
Speaker 2: testimony of that. That sounds more like it's a community
55:25
Speaker 2: level problem.
55:26
Speaker 1: Yep, oh public, not just.
55:29
Speaker 2: Weird crap going on in the corners of the internet.
55:32
Speaker 2: This is happening in public.
55:33
Speaker 1: Good lord, Okay, all right, So the original blog post continues.
55:39
Speaker 1: Other attendees have a mentioned audiobook narrators and voiceover artists
55:43
Speaker 1: were also subjected to lude and inappropriate comments. One attendee
55:48
Speaker 1: whose threads name changed between Jileie Reid's I guess and
55:54
Speaker 1: jay Reads before they deleted their account, was allegedly a
55:58
Speaker 1: conference volunteer and as part of their ball attire, wore
56:02
Speaker 1: a strap on dildo and flashed people with it. And
56:04
Speaker 1: b that link contains a picture of this person and
56:07
Speaker 1: their dildo, so I'm not gonna click on that. Obviously.
56:10
Speaker 1: Reports from other attendees have included that they were asked
56:13
Speaker 1: do you want to see something? Or that this person
56:16
Speaker 1: was whipping it out on an elevator with no comment.
56:19
Speaker 1: Jaye posted an apology on threads before disappearing. Do you
56:22
Speaker 1: want to say anything? You want to read this person's
56:24
Speaker 1: apology for pulling the dildo out?
56:26
Speaker 2: This is this is this is a real problem, and
56:31
Speaker 2: this is like, this is something that cannot be contained.
56:34
Speaker 2: The reason why we can have conventions where men put
56:37
Speaker 2: them on and all that is men will police other
56:39
Speaker 2: men's behavior and they will know that this is inappropriate.
56:42
Speaker 2: The problem here is that it is a free for
56:44
Speaker 2: all for women's sexual entitlement. Nothing to stop it. There's
56:48
Speaker 2: nothing to stop it. And I'm going to go through
56:50
Speaker 2: all of the statistics that show what a problem this is.
56:54
Speaker 2: That women's violent sexual entitlement is becoming more and more
56:58
Speaker 2: of a problem and nobody's speaking out against it in
57:02
Speaker 2: a way that matters, because if you do it within
57:05
Speaker 2: the feminist framework, you're actually justifying it because women are
57:08
Speaker 2: taking back their power men. They're making the men understand
57:13
Speaker 2: how they've felt. This is even though there's never been
57:17
Speaker 2: a time where women's sexual assault on women wasn't socially stigmatized.
57:22
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just because oh, it was an assault
57:24
Speaker 2: against her father's property. No, that was how fines and
57:29
Speaker 2: punishments were determined in a society without freaking prisons. And
57:33
Speaker 2: it wasn't just an assault on her father's property. Her
57:36
Speaker 2: father would be giving her money to get married. In
57:39
Speaker 2: many cases that was her money. It was an assault
57:43
Speaker 2: on her inheritance in the form of dowry.
57:48
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, so the uh this is the person's post
57:54
Speaker 1: about her doing the dild thing. Here to hold myself
57:57
Speaker 1: accountable and deeply, deeply sorry from the bottom of my
58:00
Speaker 1: heart to anyone who who I made uncomfortable or hurt
58:05
Speaker 1: at the ball. That sounds like a non apology. I'm
58:08
Speaker 1: sorry that you're hurt. I really truly was not thinking clearly,
58:12
Speaker 1: and I was ignorant to the fact that it would
58:14
Speaker 1: hurt some something I thought was just harmless fun, where
58:17
Speaker 1: a lot of others did as well, would not be
58:20
Speaker 1: viewed the same way as everyone else. It will never
58:22
Speaker 1: happen again. So when you say a lot of others
58:24
Speaker 1: did as well, it's like saying, well, all of my
58:25
Speaker 1: friends thought it was okay, so I did it. Being human,
58:29
Speaker 1: we make mistakes and we learned from them. I promised
58:31
Speaker 1: this was a teaching moment. It was in no way
58:34
Speaker 1: me trying to be malicious, but I see that it was.
58:37
Speaker 1: I did not mean to be that person in any way,
58:39
Speaker 1: shape or form, and I hate that I did that
58:41
Speaker 1: to someone attending the dance. Please forgive me. I cannot
58:44
Speaker 1: say how sorry I am enough. But this person does
58:47
Speaker 1: they get banned or anything or go to jail? Like,
58:49
Speaker 1: could you imagine if a dude had done that? Yeah,
58:52
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, I.
58:56
Speaker 2: Have a few thoughts on this. Okay, this is a
59:00
Speaker 2: person who ran around with a dildo flashing it of
59:03
Speaker 2: things that you could do. This is actually not the
59:07
Speaker 2: worst in terms of the spectrum of potential sexual assault.
59:10
Speaker 2: Where are the women who sexually assaulted this guy taking responsibility?
59:15
Speaker 2: And why aren't the organizers saying until these women take responsibility,
59:19
Speaker 2: we are not putting on another event at the very
59:23
Speaker 2: least if the organizers aren't going to face any repercussions
59:26
Speaker 2: for constructing this problem, this rape corner event. Why aren't
59:31
Speaker 2: the women taking responsibility? And until those women take responsibility,
59:35
Speaker 2: how can any man or male presenting person feel safe
59:39
Speaker 2: at conventions like this or this convention in particular? Okay,
59:46
Speaker 2: where are there? Where are them those assaulters taking responsibility
59:50
Speaker 2: not just against the costplayer, you know, the talent, but
59:53
Speaker 2: also against the ones who assaulted and sexually harassed the
59:58
Speaker 2: authors at the event and the author husbands. Like this
1:00:02
Speaker 2: is this looks like a fucking free for all of
1:00:04
Speaker 2: sexual entitlement. Where are those women taking responsibility? Like only
1:00:09
Speaker 2: the only one who's taking responsibility is the one who
1:00:11
Speaker 2: made other women uncomfortable? Isn't that interesting? This is a
1:00:17
Speaker 2: serious and that glaring like that silence tells you volumes
1:00:22
Speaker 2: and the silence of the convention organizers not saying something
1:00:26
Speaker 2: like until you women who went take responsibility so we
1:00:30
Speaker 2: can ban you, we are not going to have this
1:00:33
Speaker 2: event any further. They have no sense of accountability to
1:00:36
Speaker 2: the men that they're bringing into their event. None whatsoever,
1:00:39
Speaker 2: no consideration for the situations that they're putting these men in,
1:00:44
Speaker 2: none whatsoever. If I was part of this convention, first
1:00:48
Speaker 2: of all, I would understand the necessity of controlling women's
1:00:52
Speaker 2: sexuality and this kind of heightened atmosphere, because women's sexuality
1:00:57
Speaker 2: can become incredibly violent and entitled and these kinds of circumstances.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: But if this happened, I would resign and I would
1:01:07
Speaker 2: do whatever I could to take the convention with me
1:01:10
Speaker 2: and essentially say we can't have this because you will
1:01:14
Speaker 2: not take responsibility for your sexual behavior and there's no
1:01:18
Speaker 2: way to make sure men and women are safe from you,
1:01:23
Speaker 2: and you are not coming out and saying, oh, hey,
1:01:26
Speaker 2: I did that, I'm sorry. So we can actually identify
1:01:30
Speaker 2: the bad actors and ban them, right, they don't want
1:01:34
Speaker 2: to do that because they want to go to the
1:01:35
Speaker 2: next one and have another little growth fest, get another
1:01:40
Speaker 2: freaking victim to sexually assault. And that's the funny thing.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: These women are responding to this like it's like you said,
1:01:46
Speaker 2: it's a faux paw. This isn't a faux pas. These
1:01:48
Speaker 2: are sexual assaulters, these are rapists, and we just got
1:01:52
Speaker 2: our freaking stream delisted because I'm using that word and
1:01:57
Speaker 2: YouTube hates that word, So we can't actually talk about
1:01:59
Speaker 2: these issues in a real way. We have to act
1:02:01
Speaker 2: like children around them. These are rapists. They are going
1:02:05
Speaker 2: to come to there of this event because they know
1:02:08
Speaker 2: there will be vulnerable people at it, and because you
1:02:11
Speaker 2: aren't recognizing that fact, you aren't making it safe.
1:02:14
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1:02:18
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1:02:20
Speaker 1: us twenty five dollars and says, keep up the good work. PS.
1:02:23
Speaker 1: Update on Allison's book please.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay. I'm in the middle. I have gone through
1:02:30
Speaker 2: a round of yeah, a developmental edit, which is like
1:02:37
Speaker 2: one of the first, and I have constructed a new
1:02:42
Speaker 2: summary to work from, a new outline. And I'm exactly
1:02:46
Speaker 2: in the middle, contending with the middle. Everybody who writes
1:02:51
Speaker 2: understands what I'm saying. When I'm saying, it's I'm at
1:02:53
Speaker 2: the middle. I'm at the horrifying middle, and I'm still
1:02:57
Speaker 2: plugging away. If you're if you're in the discord, you
1:03:01
Speaker 2: can take part in the writer's retreat and you can
1:03:04
Speaker 2: see my progress. I am plugging away at it. It
1:03:07
Speaker 2: is a slog, but I am getting it done. All right?
1:03:13
Speaker 1: All right, So Jay Riley says that stick a pin
1:03:18
Speaker 1: in a teaching moment idea, because boy, oh boy, you
1:03:21
Speaker 1: can bet we're coming back to that. What has the
1:03:24
Speaker 1: response been.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: It's not a teachable moment, this is a sexual assault.
1:03:29
Speaker 1: Well she's saying stick a pin in that, We're gonna
1:03:31
Speaker 1: come back to it, So maybe she is gonna say
1:03:32
Speaker 1: something to that effect. I don't know. Let's see Richard
1:03:35
Speaker 1: Bierre just gave us a super chow for five, Thank
1:03:38
Speaker 1: you Richard, and says, now I am getting a flashback
1:03:41
Speaker 1: to that library promotion of reading event that looked like
1:03:44
Speaker 1: a furry convention combined with a Pride event with all
1:03:47
Speaker 1: of the performers rainbow theme and featuring rainbow dildo butt
1:03:50
Speaker 1: monkey in front of the children. And now there were
1:03:53
Speaker 1: so many people defending the performance and demonizing those who
1:03:56
Speaker 1: objected to the display. Yeah, well, what is the cost
1:04:02
Speaker 1: of women's liberation? Okay? So what has the response been?
1:04:07
Speaker 1: Mostly horror and condemnation, which is reassuring, but also, as
1:04:11
Speaker 1: I noted my initial warning, plenty of victim blaming. There's
1:04:16
Speaker 1: some you normalize this in your dark romance books rebuttal,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: which please have many seats, and no, you don't get
1:04:22
Speaker 1: a snack while you wait. We have been battling that
1:04:25
Speaker 1: same bullshit accusation under many different banners. Normalizing assault is
1:04:30
Speaker 1: a cousin who gives women unrealistic expectations. No one, as
1:04:34
Speaker 1: Elliot Harlowe says, runs up to George r remark and
1:04:38
Speaker 1: threatens him with the sword, while folks shrug and go, well,
1:04:40
Speaker 1: he was asking for it. We don't say this crap
1:04:43
Speaker 1: much about men or about other genres.
1:04:45
Speaker 2: What's the fuck? We don't make men take responsibility for
1:04:51
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that are unrelated to the things
1:04:53
Speaker 2: that they want to enjoy. Where where? What was the
1:04:56
Speaker 2: last fifteen years?
1:04:58
Speaker 1: What is gamorgate?
1:05:00
Speaker 2: I think you defending the community?
1:05:03
Speaker 1: You notice that, Yes, this is pivoted to I have
1:05:08
Speaker 1: to defend this, like community, the what I do, like
1:05:13
Speaker 1: my writing and all that.
1:05:14
Speaker 2: Yet I have to defend that right. It's pivoted to that,
1:05:19
Speaker 2: and it's pivoted to that because that's what's what they
1:05:22
Speaker 2: actually care about. Let's be honest, teachable moment. It's it's
1:05:27
Speaker 2: uncomfortable as cringe. This is multiple sexual assaults at your event.
1:05:32
Speaker 2: In any sane world, you would be not putting on
1:05:35
Speaker 2: that event again period. Right, you would be being investigated
1:05:40
Speaker 2: by the police or something for your lack of control
1:05:45
Speaker 2: over what happened. You wouldn't have you wouldn't get a
1:05:49
Speaker 2: second chance, and the community would not let you have
1:05:52
Speaker 2: a second chance. It certainly wouldn't be the case if
1:05:56
Speaker 2: this was a totally male dominated much less like mail
1:05:59
Speaker 2: dominated race fetishes event, but just male dominated anything. This
1:06:03
Speaker 2: would be the end of your event, that one hundred
1:06:06
Speaker 2: percent end of your event. And the fact, the astounding
1:06:08
Speaker 2: fact that you are defending your choice of literature instead
1:06:13
Speaker 2: of recognizing the culpability it doesn't have to have anything
1:06:16
Speaker 2: to do with your literature, but the culpability of your community.
1:06:19
Speaker 2: The fact that these women aren't taking responsibility, the fact
1:06:22
Speaker 2: that the convention organizers aren't saying we aren't doing this
1:06:26
Speaker 2: anymore until these women come forward identify themselves so they
1:06:29
Speaker 2: can be banned, right, because that's not happening because there
1:06:34
Speaker 2: was no apparent security because the general population of this ball,
1:06:38
Speaker 2: the rest of the women didn't step in and stop it.
1:06:41
Speaker 2: I mean, how many women were engaged in this? How
1:06:43
Speaker 2: many women were engaged in this? Was this like a
1:06:45
Speaker 2: mosh pit of women of the entire ball, Like what
1:06:50
Speaker 2: how many women were engaged in it? How come other
1:06:52
Speaker 2: women didn't step in and stop it? How come why
1:06:55
Speaker 2: didn't that happen? These are the questions you need to
1:06:59
Speaker 2: ask yourself and what is happening with your policies and expectations.
1:07:03
Speaker 2: And it's probably not the dark romance that's doing it.
1:07:06
Speaker 2: Fine you like to read dark romance. It is a
1:07:09
Speaker 2: combination of your ideology that justifies male sexual assault by
1:07:14
Speaker 2: minimizing male victims, by pretending that it is something that
1:07:18
Speaker 2: men do to uphold patriarchy. Therefore, if a man is assaulted,
1:07:21
Speaker 2: he's just getting a taste of his own medicine and
1:07:24
Speaker 2: other crap like that. That's more complicit in this. And
1:07:27
Speaker 2: where it's complicit isn't the fact that you've got a
1:07:30
Speaker 2: whole bunch of rapists in your convention, which you know,
1:07:33
Speaker 2: I guess can happen if you're appealing to women. It
1:07:36
Speaker 2: is the fact that you're responding to it in this
1:07:39
Speaker 2: incredibly irresponsible way. This is unbelievably irresponsible. And again, if
1:07:45
Speaker 2: I were part of this convention committee, which I would
1:07:47
Speaker 2: not be, but if I were, I would be saying, no,
1:07:50
Speaker 2: we're not continuing until these women own up to what
1:07:53
Speaker 2: they did, until they tell us, and then we ban them,
1:07:58
Speaker 2: right and if they don't, no more convention, no more
1:08:02
Speaker 2: for anyone, because we can't make sure that this is safe.
1:08:05
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, all right? So uh but woo damn
1:08:11
Speaker 1: do we say it about romance and romance readers. It
1:08:14
Speaker 1: happens to me too when I tell people that I
1:08:15
Speaker 1: write about romance fiction. I was asked about my sex
1:08:18
Speaker 1: life on live television. Outsiders are easily comfortable crossing boundaries
1:08:23
Speaker 1: of conversation to inquire about sex merely because I've mentioned romance.
1:08:26
Speaker 2: He's becoming the victim of this.
1:08:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's becoming an attack on romance. By the way,
1:08:31
Speaker 1: who's asking you the sex questions? Are they women? I'm
1:08:34
Speaker 1: betting their women? And like, yet that's not going to
1:08:37
Speaker 1: come up believable.
1:08:39
Speaker 2: The community is a victim of the community having sexually assaulted,
1:08:44
Speaker 2: gang sexually assaulted a man. My genre is a victim
1:08:48
Speaker 2: of this man's sexual being sexually assaulted. I'm a victim
1:08:53
Speaker 2: of this man being sexually assault Do you know what
1:08:55
Speaker 2: happens to me at these events? Now we can about
1:08:58
Speaker 2: what we've talked about. The sexual assault that heard at
1:09:00
Speaker 2: this event that nobody's taking responsibility for. But now we
1:09:04
Speaker 2: need to talk about how female readers of romance and
1:09:08
Speaker 2: dark romanty, how they're marginalized. How did you make yourselves
1:09:13
Speaker 2: victims of this?
1:09:15
Speaker 1: It's it's a professional, it's a fucking extreme sport. This
1:09:18
Speaker 1: is this extreme victimhood.
1:09:26
Speaker 2: Nobody else sees this freaking astounding Okay, all.
1:09:31
Speaker 1: Right, uh so, anyway, all right, outsiders are easily comfortable
1:09:36
Speaker 1: crossing boundaries of conversation to inquire about sex merely because
1:09:39
Speaker 1: I've mentioned romance novels, and the crossing of boundaries continues.
1:09:43
Speaker 1: I do not want to accept the idea that some
1:09:45
Speaker 1: readers are too fucking stupid to reliably know the difference
1:09:48
Speaker 1: between reality and fiction, or are so deluded as to
1:09:51
Speaker 1: use their fiction to excuse their unacceptable behavior. But holy crap,
1:09:55
Speaker 1: look where we are.
1:09:56
Speaker 2: You write rape fiction that you attract rapists, duh. You
1:10:02
Speaker 2: attract women who have questionable notions of consent, du Like,
1:10:08
Speaker 2: what do you think is gonna happen? Not just that,
1:10:10
Speaker 2: but you attract a particular generation that is the most sexually,
1:10:15
Speaker 2: most violently sexually entitled, and the most freaking willing to
1:10:19
Speaker 2: excuse it. It's it is a recipe for disaster. And
1:10:24
Speaker 2: she's making outsiders to this community. She's making herself out
1:10:29
Speaker 2: to be a victim of outsiders to the community. Did
1:10:31
Speaker 2: you notice that now it's all our fault, right, this
1:10:35
Speaker 2: community subjected people, most men to sexual assaults and sexual harassment.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: But the real problem is all of us, all of
1:10:46
Speaker 2: us in society not understanding dark romanticy.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: Not understand I don't like getting a taste of their
1:10:57
Speaker 1: own medicine. Because when women or feminists problematize the things
1:11:03
Speaker 1: that men do, they make these same kinds of arguments
1:11:07
Speaker 1: like this normalizes, you know, like a rape and sexual
1:11:10
Speaker 1: assault of women. This is why collective shout was coming
1:11:13
Speaker 1: after the video games, and they have been doing it
1:11:15
Speaker 1: for a long time. This is why feminists problematize men's
1:11:19
Speaker 1: interests across the board. If they can't get into them
1:11:22
Speaker 1: and change them, which they have also done, they'll just
1:11:25
Speaker 1: demonize them from the outside, you know, like this puts
1:11:29
Speaker 1: men in a position of having to defend their hobbies
1:11:31
Speaker 1: or their interests. But when the same thing happens to them,
1:11:35
Speaker 1: which they have already normalized, like they've made it the
1:11:38
Speaker 1: way of critiquing cultural things. When it happens to like
1:11:44
Speaker 1: get on them for a moment, they lose their minds
1:11:47
Speaker 1: and they immediately start calling it victim blaming, which is
1:11:50
Speaker 1: ridiculous that you guys are not the victims of this,
1:11:54
Speaker 1: Like that dude that you assaulted or allowed to get
1:11:57
Speaker 1: assaulted or did not provideficient protections for that guy victim
1:12:03
Speaker 1: and he doesn't even want to like claim that.
1:12:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's freaking astounding, and this is all gender holes
1:12:09
Speaker 2: going on. This is what we're seeing, the absolute deflection
1:12:13
Speaker 2: of accountability onto being victims. This community is now a
1:12:17
Speaker 2: victim of this community facilitating and or engaging in a
1:12:21
Speaker 2: sexual assault of multiple men and sexual harassment of various parties.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: Right and again, if this was a male community, it
1:12:28
Speaker 2: would be one hundred percent shut down. It wouldn't even
1:12:31
Speaker 2: shut down by outsiders. The men on the committee would
1:12:33
Speaker 2: be like, this can't continue. This absolutely can't continue, and
1:12:36
Speaker 2: we can't have an event like this that puts women
1:12:39
Speaker 2: at risk like this. They would do it, they would
1:12:42
Speaker 2: do it themselves, but that's not what the convention organizers
1:12:44
Speaker 2: are doing. That's not what it is at all. They
1:12:47
Speaker 2: want to continue after this disaster after this tremendous failure
1:12:53
Speaker 2: of responsibility and accountability by them, the community, and everybody involved,
1:12:58
Speaker 2: they want to continue. And again Brian was talking about
1:13:02
Speaker 2: how men have oversight. They're talking about women. Women are
1:13:05
Speaker 2: subject to unique oversight over their issues. This is a
1:13:09
Speaker 2: rape fetish event, dark fantasy, dark romanticy has tons and
1:13:15
Speaker 2: tons of rape and torture and questionable consent and controlling
1:13:19
Speaker 2: abuse and all of this other stuff in it. That's
1:13:23
Speaker 2: the event. And they're complaining about getting scrutiny for that. Okay, yeah,
1:13:31
Speaker 2: men over how many years have been constantly scrutinized because
1:13:35
Speaker 2: they like to see a pair of boovies in a
1:13:38
Speaker 2: tight shirt and been told, oh, that's part of rape culture.
1:13:41
Speaker 2: And they're saying, we're getting we're getting this oversight because
1:13:44
Speaker 2: there was actual sexual assaults and groping and sexual harassment,
1:13:49
Speaker 2: and we're getting all of this and this This is
1:13:51
Speaker 2: what it took to get any kind of oversight to
1:13:54
Speaker 2: female lead and initiate and run events. This is what
1:13:57
Speaker 2: it took for anybody to start condemning any thing that
1:14:00
Speaker 2: women do. Men just have to want to look at
1:14:03
Speaker 2: a pair of boobs or a butt in a tight
1:14:06
Speaker 2: tight genes and they get shit for contributing to rape
1:14:10
Speaker 2: culture and objectification and women. Apparently the only thing gets
1:14:16
Speaker 2: them any kind of scrutiny is flat out sexual assault.
1:14:19
Speaker 2: Good lord, and no self awareness is a parent in
1:14:24
Speaker 2: any of this. And I don't even think any of
1:14:27
Speaker 2: the people who've talked about this have gone as far
1:14:30
Speaker 2: as we have in terms of analyzing this situation. I
1:14:34
Speaker 2: don't think Clownfish TV did, and some other people talked
1:14:37
Speaker 2: about it. This is irresponsibility. This is blanket, terrifying irresponsibility
1:14:42
Speaker 2: on the part of the organizers everybody else involved. Okay, yep,
1:14:49
Speaker 2: but we're what we're going into. We're gonna explain why
1:14:52
Speaker 2: they're not to blame and it's actually patriarchy.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: Let's see. So all right, and the crossing Wait but
1:15:00
Speaker 1: but woodam do we say about romance and romance readers?
1:15:02
Speaker 1: It happens to me too when I tell people that
1:15:04
Speaker 1: I write about romance fiction. Okay, I already read that part.
1:15:06
Speaker 1: Let's see you normalize this is a feeble attempt to
1:15:10
Speaker 1: deflect or defend terrible behavior, choices, to blame the victims
1:15:14
Speaker 1: and to silence them because they asked for it. How
1:15:17
Speaker 1: we get here or doing the performance they were paid
1:15:20
Speaker 1: to do. How should we get here?
1:15:23
Speaker 2: Now? The freaking community is the victim? You normalize this
1:15:28
Speaker 2: as a female feeble attempt to defend or terrible behavior
1:15:31
Speaker 2: choices by outsiders towards members of the dark Romanticy community.
1:15:36
Speaker 2: We're writing or performance that they're paid to what. How
1:15:38
Speaker 2: did we get here? How are we now? The women
1:15:42
Speaker 2: who are part of Dark Romanticy are the victims of
1:15:46
Speaker 2: this man being serially sexually assaulted? Okay, how do we
1:15:49
Speaker 2: get here? How is this justified? You nonsense people?
1:15:53
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, it's nonsense people, all right. As author Mary
1:15:58
Speaker 1: Marie McKay said, you're not supposed to act like the
1:16:02
Speaker 1: MMCs in a dark romance. That's why it's in the
1:16:05
Speaker 1: dark romance section. Also, one more side note, dark romance
1:16:10
Speaker 1: isn't the problem. Dark romance and its contents are, in
1:16:13
Speaker 1: part a reflection of current reality about how women feel
1:16:16
Speaker 1: right now, powerless, stalk, victimized, and subject to horrifying conduct. Wow,
1:16:23
Speaker 1: we did it, guys, we did it. We've managed to
1:16:25
Speaker 1: completely reverse the victimhood and put it on women. Furthermore,
1:16:30
Speaker 1: this behavior is already normalized, judging by the number of
1:16:33
Speaker 1: people who are sexually assaulted per rain. That's one person
1:16:36
Speaker 1: every sixty eight seconds according to current data. If someone
1:16:39
Speaker 1: wishes to read about those experiences within a fictional world,
1:16:42
Speaker 1: in a genre where the ending is promised to be happy, please,
1:16:44
Speaker 1: for the love of all that's holy, leave them alone.
1:16:47
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Alison, you can rant now. I
1:16:49
Speaker 1: just want to finish that.
1:16:51
Speaker 2: What Yeah, okay, So we start with the men.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Oh, women read dark romance because they're afraid of rape
1:16:59
Speaker 1: in the real world, that's what she's saying. And they're
1:17:02
Speaker 1: not into it. They're afraid because of reality, because of Rachel.
1:17:08
Speaker 2: Patriarchy makes you read dark romance. Maybe you should stop.
1:17:11
Speaker 1: Then, yeah, baby, you should. Maybe you should.
1:17:14
Speaker 2: Smash the patriarchy and start, you know, stop reading, writing
1:17:17
Speaker 2: these books and buying them. Like, so, you're fetishizing your
1:17:21
Speaker 2: own subjugation. Everything you've said.
1:17:26
Speaker 1: Here, Well, the handbas tale is basically that isn't it?
1:17:30
Speaker 2: Everything it's kind of smutty, makes your delegitimizes your genre.
1:17:36
Speaker 2: I'm not even starting from a point where I think
1:17:38
Speaker 2: that dark romanticy has to disappear from the world. I
1:17:43
Speaker 2: sort of get it, like I won't read badly written
1:17:49
Speaker 2: dark romanticy, but but I will read good written stuff,
1:17:52
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be like, oh, you can't
1:17:54
Speaker 2: have that, ladies, But I will tell you that the
1:17:59
Speaker 2: way you're described it here makes it sound like it
1:18:03
Speaker 2: is a social a social necessity to stop reading it
1:18:09
Speaker 2: because you are fetishizing your own oppression. What like, I
1:18:14
Speaker 2: could get like the dark intensity, the adrenaline and the
1:18:17
Speaker 2: fear and all that other stuff. I can get that
1:18:20
Speaker 2: that it's just exciting or whatever. But to say we
1:18:24
Speaker 2: have to do this because the patriarchy makes us right,
1:18:27
Speaker 2: these fetishistic contents that make us take pleasure in our
1:18:31
Speaker 2: own suppression. Well, now, now now you're telling me you
1:18:34
Speaker 2: need to stop. Like I was not against dark romanticy,
1:18:38
Speaker 2: but at the end of this, I'm like, no, maybe
1:18:40
Speaker 2: you should stop. If that's it's your justification, maybe you
1:18:44
Speaker 2: should stop doing it. And also, how are we here?
1:18:48
Speaker 2: How did we arrive at this point? I mean it's
1:18:51
Speaker 2: like you walk into I don't know, you might walk
1:18:55
Speaker 2: into a Mexican restaurant and then somehow you're in the Arctic.
1:19:00
Speaker 2: It's like, what that was? That was a sudden turn
1:19:04
Speaker 2: about that had no connection like.
1:19:08
Speaker 1: The goal of this blog post.
1:19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It does make you wonder. There's no reason
1:19:14
Speaker 2: for us to be here now, absolutely no reason for
1:19:18
Speaker 2: us to be justifying the dark romanticy community because they're
1:19:23
Speaker 2: fetishizing their patriarchal oppression. Like, there's no reason for this
1:19:27
Speaker 2: to be here in the context of these events. What
1:19:30
Speaker 2: should be here is we have spoken with the con
1:19:34
Speaker 2: organizers and until the women who are responsible for come
1:19:37
Speaker 2: for this come forward, they feel it's in the best
1:19:40
Speaker 2: interests of the community and the people invite and the
1:19:43
Speaker 2: men invited into it, that this event ceased. Right, That's
1:19:46
Speaker 2: what should be there, not Oh, we're victims of the
1:19:49
Speaker 2: patriarchy in society like us in the community. We're victims
1:19:54
Speaker 2: like this, this thing happened, But we're the real victims.
1:19:57
Speaker 2: We're the real victims of this man being grouped, serially assaulted.
1:20:02
Speaker 2: We're the real victims here, good Lord, like, are you
1:20:05
Speaker 2: one of the ones who did it? Like Jesus?
1:20:09
Speaker 1: All right? Right, So if someone wishes to read about
1:20:14
Speaker 1: those experiences within a fictional world and a genre where
1:20:17
Speaker 1: the ending is promised to be happy, please that is
1:20:20
Speaker 1: holly leave them alone. Sinners and Stardust release a statement
1:20:23
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and while I haven't seen it on their website.
1:20:26
Speaker 1: I hope it's shared there too. It outlines some changes
1:20:30
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six gathering, including so there's gonna
1:20:33
Speaker 1: be some changes. Let's see, let's see how sinners and
1:20:35
Speaker 1: startups reacted to this. What's there? What are they gonna do?
1:20:39
Speaker 1: Safety for our guests, authors, narrators, vendors, their assistants, our influencers,
1:20:44
Speaker 1: and special guests will now have a secure, dedicated area
1:20:47
Speaker 1: during the ball with their own security. They may move
1:20:50
Speaker 1: freely between areas, but attendees are not permitted in their
1:20:54
Speaker 1: area under any circumstances. If an attendee is caught trying
1:20:57
Speaker 1: to go into their secured space, it will be immediately
1:21:00
Speaker 1: removed and banned from future events. Smaller safer events, we
1:21:04
Speaker 1: are decreasing the number of tickets available to ensure a
1:21:07
Speaker 1: more comfortable, safe, and respectful experience for everyone. These rules
1:21:11
Speaker 1: are not suggestions, they are expectations. Violations including harassment, non
1:21:16
Speaker 1: consensual touching, photos taken without permission, invasive questions, or any
1:21:20
Speaker 1: behavior that makes others feel unsafe will result in immediate
1:21:24
Speaker 1: removal and a permanent ban from all future Sinners and
1:21:27
Speaker 1: Stardusts hosted events. I've been to events that have private
1:21:31
Speaker 1: breakfast and meeting spaces for the speakers, and wow, it
1:21:33
Speaker 1: is lovely.
1:21:34
Speaker 2: Well, guys, this guy god assaulted, but you can all
1:21:38
Speaker 2: be feel great that the women are going to really
1:21:42
Speaker 2: enjoy their event going forward, It's going to be lovely, guys, lovely.
1:21:48
Speaker 2: All of these women who engage in that behavior are
1:21:50
Speaker 2: probably going to have a free ticket to come back.
1:21:53
Speaker 2: It's gonna be lovely for them all they're gonna feel
1:21:56
Speaker 2: so it's gonna be so intimate and sweet. They'll have
1:22:00
Speaker 2: to do more effort to actually engage, continue to engage
1:22:03
Speaker 2: in their sexually assaultive ways. You know. Yeah, well, at
1:22:09
Speaker 2: least they're doing something. I guess I wouldn't. I wouldn't
1:22:12
Speaker 2: want to be back here, like knowing that this happened
1:22:16
Speaker 2: with this group of people, and apparently there was enough
1:22:19
Speaker 2: women and no women intervened because it would have where
1:22:23
Speaker 2: are the where are the where's the actual conversation the
1:22:26
Speaker 2: women who attempted to intervene, right, they probably would have
1:22:30
Speaker 2: said something, he would have said something. So no, So
1:22:33
Speaker 2: we had a situation that in public, in a public event,
1:22:37
Speaker 2: this man was subject to a serial grop, a grop,
1:22:40
Speaker 2: group rape or grow a group grope. Apparently no women intervened.
1:22:45
Speaker 1: Neither they put their hands down his pants and everything.
1:22:47
Speaker 1: So like this is what the claim is. I have
1:22:50
Speaker 1: no reason to not believe that. So it's sort of
1:22:54
Speaker 1: neither here nor there because he's not pressing charges.
1:22:57
Speaker 2: I know he's not pressing charges. But even so, the
1:23:01
Speaker 2: con organizers aren't taking responsibility for having done this, having
1:23:06
Speaker 2: put this situation in place. Why wasn't the security there
1:23:10
Speaker 2: prior to it happening, right? And also again, if this
1:23:15
Speaker 2: was a bunch of men and the convention wasn't shut
1:23:18
Speaker 2: down and completely lambasted outside, they would probably shut it
1:23:23
Speaker 2: down anyway out of absolute shame and guilt for having
1:23:28
Speaker 2: created an event where something like this could happen. And
1:23:32
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they would have said you have to
1:23:34
Speaker 2: come forward and confess, and until you do, no more events,
1:23:38
Speaker 2: which might mean there is no more events. That's not
1:23:41
Speaker 2: what they're doing. You continue to go on. Hopefully what
1:23:44
Speaker 2: they're putting in place will actually change this. We'll see,
1:23:49
Speaker 2: maybe we won't hear this again. But again, if this
1:23:52
Speaker 2: was a male event, men have oversight on their events
1:23:55
Speaker 2: just because they like looking at scantily clad women. Okay,
1:24:01
Speaker 2: this is what it took to have any kind of
1:24:02
Speaker 2: oversight out a woman's event.
1:24:04
Speaker 1: Yep, good Lord, all right, so the blogger continues, Sinners
1:24:10
Speaker 1: and Stardust statement is a good first step, but I
1:24:13
Speaker 1: think there clearly needs to be a lot more communication
1:24:16
Speaker 1: and oversight. More specifically, attendees at events that feature sexually
1:24:20
Speaker 1: explicit events and potential performances will need explicit, specific instructions
1:24:25
Speaker 1: as to what boundaries are and how they will be enforced.
1:24:29
Speaker 1: The kink community already knows how to host events like these,
1:24:32
Speaker 1: and I'm reminded of past events and discussions when romance
1:24:36
Speaker 1: was heavy into bds and portrayals, but light on the
1:24:38
Speaker 1: full nuanced education thereof. As the prologue ninety nine pointed out, unfortunately,
1:24:44
Speaker 1: what happened at Sinners and Stardust is the consequence of
1:24:47
Speaker 1: people entering kink spaces without being properly educated. These dark
1:24:52
Speaker 1: romances feature themes that seem non consensual, but in the
1:24:56
Speaker 1: real world scenes played out would require enthusiastic consent from
1:25:00
Speaker 1: all parties, as well as check ins before and after
1:25:03
Speaker 1: a scene took place. This isn't a playground made for
1:25:06
Speaker 1: people to commit actual sexual crimes. This was a fantasy ball,
1:25:09
Speaker 1: not a dungeon slash club. And if you acted like that,
1:25:13
Speaker 1: what what?
1:25:14
Speaker 2: Why are you soft pedaling this? This was an assault?
1:25:18
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, this is this wasn't like, this isn't
1:25:21
Speaker 2: a place to play out a scene that wasn't a
1:25:24
Speaker 2: scene okay. And also these women don't need instructions, they
1:25:30
Speaker 2: need enforcement. Hopefully the enforcement that you are putting forward
1:25:34
Speaker 2: is going to deal with it again. I would think
1:25:38
Speaker 2: you'd be so ashamed he just close is it down?
1:25:40
Speaker 2: The event? But apparently you're all victims of society and
1:25:46
Speaker 2: you get to continue. You feel no shame, no shame
1:25:49
Speaker 2: that this happened.
1:25:50
Speaker 1: Yep, good lord, all right? If you and if you
1:25:55
Speaker 1: acted like that in a dungeon slash club, they would
1:25:57
Speaker 1: kick you out and ban you. My heart is with
1:25:59
Speaker 1: all the victim I'm sorry for what happened you at
1:26:03
Speaker 1: the hands of others who you believed were you were
1:26:05
Speaker 1: safe with the prologue ninety nine is right. These are
1:26:08
Speaker 1: people engaging in explicit spaces without being properly educated on
1:26:12
Speaker 1: how to do so. Regardless, this shouldn't keep happening. It's
1:26:16
Speaker 1: happened before, it'll probably happen again. It's fucking abhorrent and
1:26:19
Speaker 1: it needs to stop. In the lateans early twenty tens,
1:26:22
Speaker 1: anime conventions had to explain clearly and explicitly that cosplay
1:26:27
Speaker 1: isn't consent. Someone dressed as a sexually provocative character isn't
1:26:31
Speaker 1: giving unspoken permission to be growthed or assaulted, and that
1:26:33
Speaker 1: reminder still happens, because assault still happens. So we did.
1:26:39
Speaker 1: They did bring up the cosplay as not consent thing,
1:26:41
Speaker 1: but that was aimed at men that attended conventions, and
1:26:46
Speaker 1: it was only for women. They would claim that it
1:26:49
Speaker 1: wasn't gendered, but it was, and it was also kind
1:26:52
Speaker 1: of like unreasonable because it didn't It wasn't just like assaults,
1:26:56
Speaker 1: which doesn't really happen at conventions really, but it included
1:27:01
Speaker 1: anything like talking to somebody without permission, taking a picture
1:27:05
Speaker 1: that they happen to be in, you know, without asking
1:27:08
Speaker 1: their permission, things like that, and that was where this
1:27:12
Speaker 1: came up. I remember when we went to Calgary Expo
1:27:15
Speaker 1: there were cosplays not consent signs everywhere, so it was
1:27:19
Speaker 1: going on back then. Oh so, now here's the thing.
1:27:24
Speaker 1: What I think is happening is is that what she's
1:27:25
Speaker 1: doing and she's going to. So this started off and
1:27:28
Speaker 1: it was clearly a gendered assault, a bunch of women
1:27:31
Speaker 1: assaulted a man. And then she moved it like she's
1:27:34
Speaker 1: moving the pieces around to sort of reorient the narrative
1:27:38
Speaker 1: away from that initial thing where where we're simply acknowledging
1:27:42
Speaker 1: the reality that women can assault men and that we
1:27:46
Speaker 1: have created the an environment or a climate where that
1:27:50
Speaker 1: is not actually seen as a problem to the same
1:27:54
Speaker 1: degree that we would if the if the sexes were reversed.
1:27:59
Speaker 1: So this author of this blog has to do is
1:28:02
Speaker 1: find a way to either turn it into the opposite
1:28:06
Speaker 1: of that, where actually women are the victims of this,
1:28:08
Speaker 1: which they kind of did with that whole what we
1:28:11
Speaker 1: read through before, or turn it into a two wrongs
1:28:14
Speaker 1: make who cares? And I think that that's what this is. Well,
1:28:17
Speaker 1: the cosplay is a consette was also a thing and
1:28:19
Speaker 1: that was like with men, you know, And it's like,
1:28:23
Speaker 1: but we already acknowledge that that men can do this
1:28:26
Speaker 1: to women. That's not a problem, although you guys are
1:28:30
Speaker 1: broadening the definition of what that is and that's a problem.
1:28:34
Speaker 1: But what the problem is is that we're not allowed
1:28:36
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the reverse, which absolutely happens, and that actually
1:28:40
Speaker 1: there's like there's a lot fewer not just like legal restrictions,
1:28:44
Speaker 1: which you've talked about, but also just cultural restrictions, because
1:28:49
Speaker 1: remember this is all like coming from female pornography, which
1:28:53
Speaker 1: is the smutty romance novel and these are extreme versions
1:28:56
Speaker 1: of that. And you can find like these romance novels.
1:29:00
Speaker 1: You can get them at Walmart, you can get them
1:29:02
Speaker 1: at like any drug store. You can get them at
1:29:03
Speaker 1: seven right, like they're they're right, they're right. You can
1:29:06
Speaker 1: get them at the grocery store in the fucking impulse aisle,
1:29:09
Speaker 1: like right by where you know you just check out
1:29:12
Speaker 1: your stuff. That's not where boys porn is at. You
1:29:15
Speaker 1: don't find penthouse there. So like they're literally looking at
1:29:18
Speaker 1: these two things in very different ways, and could we
1:29:22
Speaker 1: could have a conversation about what are the potential like
1:29:26
Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any downstream effects from
1:29:28
Speaker 1: over consumption, but we're not having it in a way
1:29:32
Speaker 1: that is like, let's say, gender neutral. Right, we only
1:29:35
Speaker 1: talk about what happens with men. And that's the thing
1:29:38
Speaker 1: that we have a problem with because men are visual.
1:29:41
Speaker 1: But the stuff that women, we women, women, women read,
1:29:46
Speaker 1: women read is you know, probably just like it can
1:29:50
Speaker 1: get even more extreme. But because it's the written word
1:29:54
Speaker 1: and not photographic or whatever.
1:29:56
Speaker 2: What it's because it's women. Like, yeah, I mean talking
1:30:00
Speaker 2: about Oh, now our community has oversight because we there
1:30:04
Speaker 2: was some horrific, actual things that happened at one of
1:30:07
Speaker 2: our conventions that we didn't we didn't actually protect against.
1:30:11
Speaker 2: We probably don't really even acknowledge the possibility in car
1:30:14
Speaker 2: how would we protect And now we have oversight. Now
1:30:16
Speaker 2: people are looking at us, They're saying, what what is
1:30:19
Speaker 2: going on? Men never get any kind of oversight. I'm like,
1:30:23
Speaker 2: men get oversight for literally freaking everything. They get oversight
1:30:26
Speaker 2: for women have finding women attractive. They get oversight for
1:30:29
Speaker 2: the types of women they find attractive. They get oversight
1:30:32
Speaker 2: for their sex toys, they get oversighted. There's there's a
1:30:35
Speaker 2: there is an article here that I'm looking at on
1:30:38
Speaker 2: quote robot rape. Because men might take advantage of something
1:30:43
Speaker 2: that has no sentience. Yeah, they might take advantage of
1:30:47
Speaker 2: sexuality is under a microscope constantly. You're only getting a
1:30:52
Speaker 2: little taste of it because you have engaged. You have
1:30:55
Speaker 2: created the circumstances for something horrific to happen. You have
1:31:00
Speaker 2: done that. It's like this this the woman is like, uh,
1:31:04
Speaker 2: you know, I mean she's she's she's like mounted a
1:31:07
Speaker 2: guy I guess is gonna be really graphic. She's she's
1:31:10
Speaker 2: been caught by the party. You know, she's in the
1:31:12
Speaker 2: cloakroom having her way with some passed out dude. She
1:31:16
Speaker 2: people are like, what the role are you doing? She's like,
1:31:19
Speaker 2: you don't give men this kind of scrutiny. Men get
1:31:23
Speaker 2: away with it, you know. It's like, no, they don't.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: And it's all like the constant arguments. They always bring
1:31:29
Speaker 2: up some new guy who has engaged in something horrific,
1:31:33
Speaker 2: like Pelicot, and it's like, well, but the justice system
1:31:37
Speaker 2: is going to get him, right. Yeah, it doesn't always
1:31:40
Speaker 2: work because there's a duty to protect the innocent. But
1:31:45
Speaker 2: the reason why Gazelle Pelican, I think it's Gazelle Pelican
1:31:49
Speaker 2: or something like that. Giselaine. No, not Giseline, that's Gizelle Pelicot.
1:31:54
Speaker 2: The reason why she's going to see justice done is
1:31:57
Speaker 2: because she's a bunch of male French policemen actually were
1:32:00
Speaker 2: more aware of what was going on towards her than
1:32:03
Speaker 2: she was. If it was just left up to feminists
1:32:07
Speaker 2: in her she would, this would still be happening to her.
1:32:10
Speaker 2: And if this happened in a matriarchy, I see how
1:32:13
Speaker 2: little women want to hold themselves accountable, she'd probably be
1:32:16
Speaker 2: blamed for it. If she was being raped by women.
1:32:20
Speaker 2: This app this, there is justice because men created the
1:32:24
Speaker 2: justice system and enforce it. Right. There is one hundred
1:32:28
Speaker 2: percent oversight over men's behavior, even behavior that has nothing
1:32:31
Speaker 2: to do with rape. And it's because women are exploiting
1:32:34
Speaker 2: men's instinct to police each other. So they'll they'll say, well,
1:32:37
Speaker 2: you police each other when it comes to rape. But
1:32:40
Speaker 2: what about all of these slippery slope behaviors that lead
1:32:44
Speaker 2: to rape, like rape jokes and boobies and games with
1:32:50
Speaker 2: hot chicks in them, Like we need to have oversight
1:32:53
Speaker 2: over all of that, But what about the causal connection
1:32:56
Speaker 2: between boys being raped by adult women and then going on.
1:32:59
Speaker 2: But no, no, we don't, no, no, that we don't
1:33:01
Speaker 2: have to We're just gonna jump over that. We're gonna
1:33:03
Speaker 2: ignore that. No, we don't have to deal with that.
1:33:05
Speaker 2: We're going to go with rape jokes, cause rape, that's it,
1:33:09
Speaker 2: that's the ticket. Scantily Clad women in games cause rape,
1:33:14
Speaker 2: not boys being raped by women and a minority of
1:33:18
Speaker 2: those going on, no, no, no, that, No, we're not
1:33:20
Speaker 2: gonna look at that. We're not gonna look at that. No, no,
1:33:22
Speaker 2: we're gonna jump right over that, hit right on things
1:33:26
Speaker 2: that men enjoy cause rape. So this is absolutely absurd
1:33:30
Speaker 2: that she says men wouldn't be scrutinized in this circumstance.
1:33:35
Speaker 2: Are you freaking kidding me? Are you? This is the
1:33:39
Speaker 2: final analysis with this. She's saying that men wouldn't be
1:33:42
Speaker 2: scrutinized in this circumstance, right, because the real victim here
1:33:47
Speaker 2: is fans of dark romanticy. Are the real victim of
1:33:51
Speaker 2: a man being serially groped at this dark romantasy fantasy
1:33:55
Speaker 2: is the fans of dark romantasy. And she's saying, we're
1:34:00
Speaker 2: being scrutinized in a way that men wouldn't. Are you
1:34:03
Speaker 2: freaking kidding me? They're literally saying when their community engages
1:34:08
Speaker 2: in sexual assault and harassment, that that is equivalent to
1:34:16
Speaker 2: men being scrutinized for liking bikinis. That is worse like that,
1:34:21
Speaker 2: that is them being targeted. Can you see how that's so?
1:34:24
Speaker 2: That is freaking rape apologia, them being scrutinized for having
1:34:29
Speaker 2: engaged in sexual assaulting behaviors, or at least facilitated it
1:34:35
Speaker 2: or somehow not prevented it from happening. That is equivalent
1:34:40
Speaker 2: to the scrutiny that men get for liking bikinis, and
1:34:43
Speaker 2: they're being uniquely targeted, so there is no circumstance under which,
1:34:50
Speaker 2: in their minds it's legitimate to call out these communities
1:34:53
Speaker 2: of women, because if you can't call them out when
1:34:56
Speaker 2: they do this, when can you call them out? They've
1:35:00
Speaker 2: just written a blank check for them to be engaged
1:35:02
Speaker 2: in any behavior they want. And it's good that the
1:35:07
Speaker 2: con organizers are so shameless that they want to continue
1:35:10
Speaker 2: their event, but at least they're putting in some protections.
1:35:14
Speaker 2: We'll see if they actually work.
1:35:15
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, okay, I got okay. I'm gonna skip ahead
1:35:19
Speaker 1: a bit because I gotta go pick Lindsay up soon ish,
1:35:23
Speaker 1: so I know we got more to look at, But
1:35:25
Speaker 1: there is one thing I wanted to read, so I'm
1:35:27
Speaker 1: jumping ahead to this bit where she kind of because
1:35:29
Speaker 1: she gives a bunch of other anecdotes that are just
1:35:32
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I guess when you're a writer,
1:35:34
Speaker 1: you just have to fill the fucking page. With random bullshit.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: But here's a bit that's a little bit more interesting.
1:35:40
Speaker 1: So she says, the first thing I thought of when
1:35:43
Speaker 1: reading reports from Sinners and Stardust the cover models of
1:35:46
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of the cover models at
1:35:49
Speaker 1: RT the Romantic Times Book Lover's Convention. So there's another
1:35:54
Speaker 1: book convention called the Romantic Times. Booklover's Convention used to
1:35:58
Speaker 1: have the Mister Romance Pageant, which many of us call
1:36:02
Speaker 1: the man Gent. The cover models and the miss A
1:36:05
Speaker 1: Romance Pageant contestants endured a lot of the same treatment,
1:36:09
Speaker 1: and it was not as vocally condemned as it has
1:36:12
Speaker 1: been today. Mister Romance. I just learned this now as
1:36:15
Speaker 1: we were doing this not you know, apparently they have
1:36:17
Speaker 1: a pageant where they have a bunch of dudes and
1:36:21
Speaker 1: they would vote on the I guess, like whoever mister
1:36:24
Speaker 1: pageant is. These were like models for covers of romance novels. Okay,
1:36:29
Speaker 1: so now we're not even doing the dark fantasy stuff.
1:36:32
Speaker 1: This is just like romance novels that you know, women read,
1:36:36
Speaker 1: that you can get, like I said, at your local
1:36:38
Speaker 1: drug store or grocery store. And I will share this
1:36:42
Speaker 1: with the verticals you guys can see it, So I'm
1:36:44
Speaker 1: gonna have to switch this to hear and you'll, you know,
1:36:48
Speaker 1: here's like a construction worker or a mechanic guy, and
1:36:52
Speaker 1: you have like and they're like ripping their shirts off
1:36:54
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then we'men vote on that, I guess.
1:36:58
Speaker 1: So just just showing you guys, you know, like that
1:37:02
Speaker 1: these are the pictures, I guess. So yeah, So anyway,
1:37:06
Speaker 1: I thought I would share that so we know what
1:37:08
Speaker 1: we're getting into here.
1:37:09
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, let's get into So.
1:37:12
Speaker 1: She goes the Romantic Times book Lover's convention used to
1:37:16
Speaker 1: have and I already read that part a miss of
1:37:19
Speaker 1: romance pageant contestants used to have to basically schmooz the
1:37:22
Speaker 1: attendees for their votes. Early descriptions of the event in
1:37:26
Speaker 1: the magazine call them romance heroes come to life, and
1:37:28
Speaker 1: they'd be expected to behave courteously and with great solicitation
1:37:32
Speaker 1: to the attendees. You can imagine how well that went.
1:37:35
Speaker 1: There are some very fortunate people who didn't have their
1:37:38
Speaker 1: assaulting behavior filmed and shared on social media, because wow,
1:37:41
Speaker 1: did it happen? So this stuff was happening at these conventions.
1:37:45
Speaker 1: The women's would get handsy with these guys. Now. Of course,
1:37:49
Speaker 1: you know this shouldn't be surprising to anyone if you've
1:37:51
Speaker 1: ever heard stories about bachelorette parties with male strippers or
1:37:56
Speaker 1: male strip clubs. It's nothing like female strip clubs. Female
1:37:59
Speaker 1: strip clubs, there's like fucking armed guards, you know, they have.
1:38:03
Speaker 1: Some states have very specific rules about like whether or
1:38:07
Speaker 1: not you can serve alcohol in bars where the women
1:38:11
Speaker 1: get fully nude, and if they don't get fully nude,
1:38:13
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe you can serve alcohol. It's a
1:38:15
Speaker 1: whole system that they have going on, and that just
1:38:19
Speaker 1: does not appear to be the case with female like
1:38:23
Speaker 1: strip script bars or whatever. So anyway, let me see.
1:38:27
Speaker 1: This environment was further complicated by publishers like Laura's Cave
1:38:31
Speaker 1: bringing their own Laura's Cavemen to RT, and the directives
1:38:35
Speaker 1: for their own attendee interactions were very different. And because
1:38:39
Speaker 1: Laura's Cave published explicit material and was one of the
1:38:42
Speaker 1: earlier small presses to specialize in it, the presence of
1:38:46
Speaker 1: the Cavemen and their performances led to a mixed, often
1:38:48
Speaker 1: unfortunate result in attendee behavior. Again, where does that come from? Again?
1:38:53
Speaker 1: We have been here before second, So in.
1:38:56
Speaker 2: Both of these paragraphs, you're blaming the men now and
1:38:58
Speaker 2: you're even soft pedaling. There were some very fortunate people
1:39:01
Speaker 2: who didn't have their assaulting behavior film. So does she
1:39:04
Speaker 2: mean the models or the women, because it's sort of
1:39:07
Speaker 2: ambiguous there. I assume she means.
1:39:09
Speaker 1: The women their assaulting behavior. I assume she means the women. Yeah,
1:39:13
Speaker 1: fortunate people who did not have their So I guess
1:39:16
Speaker 1: they're fortunate for not having it filmed, like they're lucky.
1:39:20
Speaker 1: The women are lucky. Okay, all right, again, we have
1:39:25
Speaker 1: been here before. It would be fucking fantastic if we
1:39:28
Speaker 1: could make different choices. Why do we discuss boundaries over
1:39:31
Speaker 1: and over again? Because this is a problem with CIS
1:39:34
Speaker 1: women specifically, What.
1:39:37
Speaker 2: Was the event? What was the event that she was
1:39:39
Speaker 2: talking she's talking about right.
1:39:40
Speaker 1: Now, the romantic book lovers, Romantic Times, book, Lover's conventions,
1:39:47
Speaker 1: mister Romance pageant or I guess there was a publishers
1:39:51
Speaker 1: like Laura's Cave bringing their cave men, which were I
1:39:55
Speaker 1: guess those Laura's Cave books were like, there's.
1:39:58
Speaker 2: Sexual assault of male employees of romance. But dark romance, Okay,
1:40:02
Speaker 2: that's not it. The dark Romance Ball, the Stinners, and Stardust.
1:40:06
Speaker 2: I'm putting a Laura's cave because it's not giving me.
1:40:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Laura's cave. Okay. Again, she's also saying that
1:40:14
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of documentation on that. So when
1:40:18
Speaker 1: she said SIS women, yeah, she just means women. Trans
1:40:20
Speaker 1: women get blamed for different stuff. So it's like, you know,
1:40:23
Speaker 1: but anyway, so this is but this is the important
1:40:27
Speaker 1: thing that she's gonna claim here, and I think this
1:40:29
Speaker 1: is important to point out. Okay, why do we have
1:40:32
Speaker 1: to discuss boundaries over and over again because this is
1:40:34
Speaker 1: a problem with CIS women, specifically CIS women who, as
1:40:39
Speaker 1: Kaylee said, think that adopting toxic masculine behaviors and inflicting
1:40:44
Speaker 1: them on others is somehow empowering it it's not so
1:40:54
Speaker 1: masculine behavior that guys. Did you know that they're just
1:40:58
Speaker 1: pretending to be men?
1:40:59
Speaker 2: Okay, so i'm us have been talking about women in
1:41:01
Speaker 2: this instance.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable.
1:41:03
Speaker 2: Could you of fams just take responsibility for something? Seriously?
1:41:08
Speaker 1: Are you completely men assault men? That's toxic class masculinity?
1:41:12
Speaker 2: Did you know that guy affected and that toxic masculinity
1:41:16
Speaker 2: is moving it towards women being victims. Again, of a
1:41:20
Speaker 2: woman assaulting a man, she is the real victim of
1:41:22
Speaker 2: having assaulted him because she's got internalized toxic masculinity.
1:41:26
Speaker 1: Sexual assault is simply masculine behavior, That's right, Okay, So
1:41:33
Speaker 1: let me see if there's a toxically masculine behaviors and
1:41:36
Speaker 1: inflicting them on others is somehow empowerment. It's not. Several
1:41:39
Speaker 1: people have expressed similar sentiments, including Georgina kirstein Hmm, I
1:41:45
Speaker 1: just got caught up in the Sinners and start Us
1:41:47
Speaker 1: convention and I am horrified but not surprised. I am
1:41:50
Speaker 1: a sealth transman and I have been first hand. And
1:41:54
Speaker 1: what's a sealth transman? Does that mean you just didn't
1:41:57
Speaker 1: transition the woman.
1:42:01
Speaker 2: He I assume he identifies as he probably isn't is
1:42:06
Speaker 2: able to pass is what he means sealth?
1:42:09
Speaker 1: Okay? Sure, a self transman. I have been first hand
1:42:12
Speaker 1: in both romance Landia and the fandom. How cis women
1:42:17
Speaker 1: objectify men and think it's okay. There's a big portion
1:42:20
Speaker 1: of women in the world who think liberation is having
1:42:22
Speaker 1: the privilege to get away with committing the same wrongs
1:42:25
Speaker 1: as men do without community. This is what it all
1:42:28
Speaker 1: boils down to.
1:42:29
Speaker 2: But that this freaking construct, like literally, men don't get
1:42:35
Speaker 2: away with this. If this had happened at con convention,
1:42:39
Speaker 2: for any type of male initiated thing, that convention would
1:42:44
Speaker 2: likely be shut down, like multiple sexual assaults in public
1:42:48
Speaker 2: guys with apparently not the con attendees not preventing it.
1:42:53
Speaker 2: There was an allegation I think of one kind of
1:42:56
Speaker 2: thing at one event once maybe, and it had a
1:43:01
Speaker 2: whole bunch of changes, and I don't even think it
1:43:03
Speaker 2: was proved. So they're doing the changes. But the problem
1:43:07
Speaker 2: is that this is pervasive. I've never heard of this
1:43:10
Speaker 2: happening at a convention. I've never heard of a group
1:43:14
Speaker 2: of men cornering a coss player and groping her and
1:43:18
Speaker 2: nobody stepping in and the organizers apparently just a wall.
1:43:23
Speaker 2: And then also women engaging in or sort of men
1:43:25
Speaker 2: engaging in kissing authors like guests and harassment and guests
1:43:30
Speaker 2: like across the convention. Like I've never heard of that,
1:43:35
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure just conjecturizing about how when men
1:43:38
Speaker 2: do this kind of things, how they're treated they that
1:43:41
Speaker 2: convention would be shut down. And if it wasn't shut
1:43:44
Speaker 2: down by outside parties. It would be shut down by
1:43:46
Speaker 2: its organizers out of shame and or fear that any
1:43:51
Speaker 2: further events couldn't properly protect its female guests and talent. Okay, continue, Brian,
1:44:00
Speaker 2: What Yeah, I just can't believe this, Like they're taking
1:44:03
Speaker 2: something that they're just blaming men because they don't want
1:44:06
Speaker 2: to take responsibility for it. Yeah, like you just don't
1:44:08
Speaker 2: want to take responsibility for it, right, even if this
1:44:13
Speaker 2: is a patriarchy quote unquote, patriarchy has enabled women's sexual
1:44:18
Speaker 2: assault by teaching men and identity in which they become
1:44:24
Speaker 2: passive sexual resources for women because they say, well, I
1:44:29
Speaker 2: should be grateful. Well what did that guy say? I'm
1:44:32
Speaker 2: not your enemy. You raped me, or you graped, you
1:44:34
Speaker 2: groped me, But I'm not your enemy. I don't want
1:44:37
Speaker 2: to be as you guys. I don't want to burden
1:44:43
Speaker 2: you sexual as female sexual assaulters. You know that if
1:44:46
Speaker 2: patriarchy is anything, it's that it's teaching men to just
1:44:51
Speaker 2: accept women's sexual entitlement. Where does the toxic masculinity, I
1:44:57
Speaker 2: don't know. They think that they conflate pursuit men being
1:45:01
Speaker 2: expected to pursue with rape. And there's two are two
1:45:05
Speaker 2: different things. Men are expected to initiate sexually. That doesn't
1:45:11
Speaker 2: mean that they are more likely to rape, because rape
1:45:15
Speaker 2: is something distinct. It is a desire. When men initiate sexually,
1:45:20
Speaker 2: they're trying to get your consent. Right. When people rape,
1:45:27
Speaker 2: they are either don't care about your consent or don't
1:45:30
Speaker 2: want it.
1:45:30
Speaker 1: Yep, okay, all right. So Charlotte Stein pointed out, the
1:45:35
Speaker 1: larger issue isn't just about fiction and reality, or parasocial
1:45:38
Speaker 1: relationships or the material inside a book. And this is
1:45:42
Speaker 1: what Charlotte Stein said. I guess I've said this many
1:45:44
Speaker 1: times before, and people refuse to accept it or they
1:45:47
Speaker 1: just straw man it. It's not the books or the
1:45:49
Speaker 1: enjoyment of the books. It's the trends. It's suppression of
1:45:52
Speaker 1: critical thinking about them, the vilification of anyone who does,
1:45:56
Speaker 1: and the culture that fosters. It's making the books your
1:45:58
Speaker 1: whole identity. It's us to understand or accept how fiction
1:46:02
Speaker 1: and reality interact. The reason this has happened in the
1:46:05
Speaker 1: past is not because the present is innocent and fine.
1:46:08
Speaker 1: It's because the behavior never really gets addressed. The culture
1:46:11
Speaker 1: around it never gets addressed. It gets shut down with
1:46:14
Speaker 1: one bad apple or well, it's just the way things
1:46:17
Speaker 1: are always.
1:46:17
Speaker 2: So she's basically saying what I'm saying. The culture around
1:46:21
Speaker 2: it isn't getting addressed. The culture of women not taking
1:46:24
Speaker 2: responsibility for their violent sexual entitlement and the violent sexual
1:46:29
Speaker 2: entitlement of other women ensuring that they aren't able to
1:46:33
Speaker 2: express it in a situation where they're making these men
1:46:36
Speaker 2: vulnerable isn't being addressed. And it's not being addressed because
1:46:40
Speaker 2: you keep deflecting it onto toxic masculinity or patriarchy or
1:46:44
Speaker 2: we're the real victims, which we've just witnessed, which is
1:46:47
Speaker 2: hilarious because they're quoting this woman calling them out for
1:46:50
Speaker 2: what they're doing in the article that quotes it. This
1:46:55
Speaker 2: just goes on forever. I don't know if we want
1:46:57
Speaker 2: to continue it.
1:46:58
Speaker 1: But no, it's almost at the end here. So Okay,
1:47:04
Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to because you sent
1:47:06
Speaker 1: me that study. I don't know if you wanted me
1:47:07
Speaker 1: to bring that up.
1:47:08
Speaker 2: Rereading choices are not a cause nor a defense for assault,
1:47:11
Speaker 2: and yet you've just made them a cause for being
1:47:14
Speaker 2: the victims in the context of a man being sexually assaulted. Yep,
1:47:20
Speaker 2: that's the real problem. It isn't that you like dark fantasy.
1:47:24
Speaker 2: It's that somehow you have warped it in your mind
1:47:27
Speaker 2: that because people might question you about it or think
1:47:30
Speaker 2: that you're complicit, that somehow means you are the victim
1:47:34
Speaker 2: of this man being sexually assaulted, and that suddenly you
1:47:37
Speaker 2: are getting scrutiny and this woman. You quote this woman
1:47:40
Speaker 2: saying that the problem is that the culture isn't addressed,
1:47:44
Speaker 2: and then you say this is just scrutiny that men
1:47:47
Speaker 2: would never get. You are a nonsense person. What you
1:47:50
Speaker 2: have written is incoherent nonsense. It is is somebody who
1:47:55
Speaker 2: feel a guilty soul groping for the feeling of salvation,
1:48:00
Speaker 2: and there is nowhere in it. The only place you're
1:48:03
Speaker 2: gonna find salvation is responsibility. Slap the toxic masculinity out
1:48:07
Speaker 2: of your mouth, Slap the patriarchal norms out of your mouth,
1:48:11
Speaker 2: and just say we women have a horrendous sexual entitlement
1:48:17
Speaker 2: that needs to be carefully corralled and can contained or
1:48:20
Speaker 2: shit like this happens, and it's continuing to happen in
1:48:24
Speaker 2: this community because the responsibility is not being taken by
1:48:29
Speaker 2: the event goers or the event organizers. And that woman
1:48:33
Speaker 2: has hit it. She hit it right on the nail.
1:48:37
Speaker 2: The problem is the community and the lack of oversight.
1:48:42
Speaker 2: And again, if you are masculine presenting, if you're a
1:48:45
Speaker 2: transman of butch, lesbian, if you are a tomboy, if
1:48:50
Speaker 2: you are on the masculine spectrum, and god forbid you
1:48:54
Speaker 2: are a man, do not go to these events. Stay
1:48:57
Speaker 2: far away, yep, because this culture has encouraged sexual entitlement
1:49:04
Speaker 2: among these attendees with no oversight and all kinds of
1:49:07
Speaker 2: excuses how they're the real victim, and it's either showing
1:49:11
Speaker 2: men how they feel or it's toxic masculinity their form,
1:49:15
Speaker 2: not I'm really the victim of having assaulted the guy
1:49:17
Speaker 2: because I'm the one with the internalized talk to massili.
1:49:20
Speaker 2: I'm the one who's been who's been ground upon by
1:49:23
Speaker 2: patriarch you. So I'm the real victim here. This all
1:49:26
Speaker 2: is contributing to continuing this culture of sexual entitlement in
1:49:30
Speaker 2: the romance genre. I don't know what else we can say,
1:49:34
Speaker 2: right we need to. I could show you the statistics.
1:49:37
Speaker 2: I've showed it to you multiple times. The millennial shift
1:49:39
Speaker 2: is showing that zoomer and millennial women are four three
1:49:45
Speaker 2: to four times more likely to engage in violent sexual assault,
1:49:48
Speaker 2: that is, sexual assault with weapons guys than any previous
1:49:52
Speaker 2: generation of women and any previous generation of men and
1:49:56
Speaker 2: men currently. So this group of women, they're just getting worse,
1:50:01
Speaker 2: and the Romance community, like this woman says, the Romance
1:50:05
Speaker 2: community sexual entitlement is just a reflection of this overall
1:50:10
Speaker 2: sexual entitlement of women that's getting worse and worse and
1:50:13
Speaker 2: worse and worse because feminists are feeding this framework that
1:50:19
Speaker 2: excuses it, that reframes everything, puts men to blame for
1:50:23
Speaker 2: women's actions. You just watched a feminist do that. We
1:50:28
Speaker 2: just went through it, and it just gets worse and
1:50:31
Speaker 2: worse and worse. Three to four times more likely to
1:50:35
Speaker 2: use weapons than men of their own age or any
1:50:38
Speaker 2: previous generation of people. Therefore, they are the most violent,
1:50:43
Speaker 2: sexually violent group since we've been paying attention. Go figure,
1:50:49
Speaker 2: Go figure that two generations of being told that they're
1:50:52
Speaker 2: not responsible for rape, it's actually toxic masculinity in their
1:50:56
Speaker 2: brains like a parasite, has caused women to become the
1:51:02
Speaker 2: rapeist group of people on the planet. And not just
1:51:05
Speaker 2: that their attitudes towards male victims of rape have deteriorated,
1:51:09
Speaker 2: they've regressed. Boomer women and gen X women are less
1:51:15
Speaker 2: likely to blame male victims of female rapists and less
1:51:19
Speaker 2: likely to assume that they enjoyed it than millennial women
1:51:22
Speaker 2: and zoomer women. Their attitudes are regressing. They're going backwards.
1:51:28
Speaker 2: The rest of the world's going forwards, and this generation
1:51:30
Speaker 2: of women is just becoming a troglodite, a bunch of troglodites.
1:51:34
Speaker 2: And then the other thing again, hatred or resentment of
1:51:38
Speaker 2: men in women is actually a causal factor. It's causally
1:51:43
Speaker 2: related to their sexual assaults of men. So the more
1:51:47
Speaker 2: you create women who hate or resent men, the more
1:51:51
Speaker 2: likely men are going to be sexually assaulted. Dark Romanticy says, Oh,
1:51:56
Speaker 2: we're a reflection the reality of how men prey on women.
1:52:00
Speaker 2: You are encouraging resentment and hatred of men, which is
1:52:04
Speaker 2: a causal factor in women. Apparently raping them like that
1:52:08
Speaker 2: means there is an association between the two. There isn't
1:52:11
Speaker 2: the case with men, for whatever reason, but there is
1:52:13
Speaker 2: with women. Go figure, you know, and none of this
1:52:17
Speaker 2: is what they're talking about. They're just living in their
1:52:20
Speaker 2: syllopsistic bullshit about how women women it doesn't. Women don't. Well,
1:52:25
Speaker 2: maybe women rape, but they just don't have to take
1:52:26
Speaker 2: responsibility like men because it's not part of a systemic problem.
1:52:30
Speaker 2: And though men use rape systemically, even though they're the
1:52:34
Speaker 2: ones who are predominantly preventing and punishing male rapists, right, no,
1:52:40
Speaker 2: but they use it systemically to inflict patriarchy on everyone.
1:52:44
Speaker 2: This is just gonna get worse. And it's just it's gross.
1:52:47
Speaker 2: It's really, it's beyond gross. It's like it's existentially horrifying,
1:52:52
Speaker 2: you know. And and again like this guy's he's just
1:52:54
Speaker 2: enacting what we could consider to be patriarchal programming for
1:52:58
Speaker 2: men to regard themselves as passive sexual resources for women,
1:53:03
Speaker 2: so their consent doesn't matter. If if a woman wants
1:53:05
Speaker 2: to grab some that's her right as a woman. You know,
1:53:08
Speaker 2: whatever she wants, she gets, and you just passively take it.
1:53:12
Speaker 2: And I don't mean to shame him, because there's one
1:53:15
Speaker 2: thing that I can say that is it's probably good
1:53:18
Speaker 2: in his reaction is if he can't identify the people
1:53:21
Speaker 2: who assaulted him, he probably shouldn't start, you know, blanket
1:53:25
Speaker 2: blaming people, because that's how false acquis not false accuses
1:53:31
Speaker 2: miss miss mislabeled accusations happen, So I can understand not
1:53:36
Speaker 2: wanting to do that, but the rest of it, it's
1:53:40
Speaker 2: like you need some serious help, right because you are
1:53:44
Speaker 2: taking responsibility for something that is not your fault. You
1:53:47
Speaker 2: are centering the feelings of your assaulters. And that's what
1:53:54
Speaker 2: I mean. This is something that men do, and this
1:53:56
Speaker 2: is a really inappropriate place. Like if anybody has internalized
1:54:01
Speaker 2: MYS injury, it's this, dude. Oh man, you shouldn't have
1:54:04
Speaker 2: to care about the emotions of the women who gang
1:54:06
Speaker 2: groped you. Yeah, you shouldn't even think you have to
1:54:09
Speaker 2: care about them. But this is something I see that's
1:54:11
Speaker 2: really common in male victims of sexual assault by women,
1:54:15
Speaker 2: as they don't feel like they have a right to victimhood.
1:54:19
Speaker 2: And part of the reason why is because of the
1:54:20
Speaker 2: feminist framework around all of these issues. All Right, So,
1:54:24
Speaker 2: like I said, I could show you guys the statistics,
1:54:26
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you wouldn't find that very entertaining.
1:54:28
Speaker 1: I can show them the State journals abstract, but I'm
1:54:31
Speaker 1: not able to open the thing up so you can
1:54:32
Speaker 1: just look at it so you know that it exists.
1:54:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So over the last fifty forty years, women's
1:54:42
Speaker 2: attitudes towards male victims of a female rapist has deteriorated.
1:54:46
Speaker 2: It's gone backwards, guys, all right, And maybe part of
1:54:49
Speaker 2: the driving force of that has been these romanticy conventions.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: Apparently it's been a problem for years and years and
1:54:55
Speaker 2: years and years at romance conventions, the sexual entitlement of women.
1:55:00
Speaker 2: Nobody's nobody sees fit to actually control it. I mean maybe,
1:55:04
Speaker 2: like maybe this is a little bit of a change,
1:55:06
Speaker 2: but again, like, where's the shame and these organizers, where's
1:55:11
Speaker 2: the shame in the thick bitches like you. You're part
1:55:14
Speaker 2: of a community. And she even posts it, the woman
1:55:17
Speaker 2: who's calling it out, saying this is a community problem.
1:55:21
Speaker 2: And yet what did we read for the last two hours?
1:55:24
Speaker 2: This woman deflecting onto patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and people who
1:55:29
Speaker 2: judge dark romanticy readers and everybody else but but themselves,
1:55:34
Speaker 2: and the necessity for them to take accountability. All right, Okay,
1:55:38
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a double check on the fundraiser. See
1:55:41
Speaker 2: if anybody's put something through, really appreciate it if you do,
1:55:44
Speaker 2: if you want to, it's to feed the Badger dot
1:55:46
Speaker 2: com slash event or perhaps events. I'm gonna look there now.
1:55:52
Speaker 2: Please put something in guys, because this is you know,
1:55:54
Speaker 2: these these events aren't cheap, and I think they're really
1:55:56
Speaker 2: important to be part of a community that understands the
1:56:01
Speaker 2: necessity of women taking responsibility. All right, So feedback dot
1:56:06
Speaker 2: com slash event. If you want to support that good law,
1:56:10
Speaker 2: please please fund it because there has to be a
1:56:12
Speaker 2: space where this stuff is pushed back on and people
1:56:16
Speaker 2: have to like it's it's really nice to go somewhere
1:56:20
Speaker 2: where you can talk to people who understand these issues
1:56:23
Speaker 2: on the level they need to be understood at right,
1:56:27
Speaker 2: and aren't constantly centering women's emotions at the expense of
1:56:32
Speaker 2: men's well being. Like I can't emphasize this enough. It
1:56:36
Speaker 2: is so heartening to be able to meet with people
1:56:40
Speaker 2: in public sort of let your hair down and know
1:56:43
Speaker 2: that they understand. So please support the event. Feed the
1:56:48
Speaker 2: Badger dot com slash event and or perhaps it's events
1:56:52
Speaker 2: event or.
1:56:53
Speaker 1: Events and.
1:56:55
Speaker 2: Events events. Okay, and if you want to send us
1:56:59
Speaker 2: a message any time after the show is over, feed
1:57:02
Speaker 2: the Badger dot com slash just the tip. I actually
1:57:04
Speaker 2: feel really exhausted now, this is freaking tyrre. This is just,
1:57:10
Speaker 2: and then you can just see how irresponsible it is.
1:57:13
Speaker 2: Nothing was learned. This community is going to continue to
1:57:19
Speaker 2: facilitate women's violent sexual entitlement. Society is going to continue
1:57:24
Speaker 2: to facilitate it and make excuses for it, and then
1:57:27
Speaker 2: blame the minority of men who are boys who are
1:57:31
Speaker 2: sexually abused and never get any kind of assistance to
1:57:35
Speaker 2: overcome it, the minority men who then go on to
1:57:37
Speaker 2: be predators sexually abused specifically by women. It's it's just
1:57:41
Speaker 2: a fucking it's just a cluster fuck of fuck. It's
1:57:44
Speaker 2: a spaghetti ball.
1:57:45
Speaker 1: Fuck.
1:57:45
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, guys, I'm just really exhausted. This is this
1:57:48
Speaker 2: is definitely something really bothers me. Yeah, all right, exhausting work,
1:57:53
Speaker 2: but it's necessary work because I mean, could you imagine
1:57:56
Speaker 2: if we weren't calling this out. Has anybody gone through
1:57:59
Speaker 2: this and directly identified the failures of taking responsibility to
1:58:02
Speaker 2: these people or how much they're playing the victim. I mean,
1:58:06
Speaker 2: it's one thing that like the women who assaulted, fine,
1:58:09
Speaker 2: there assaulters in the woman world, right, but none of
1:58:12
Speaker 2: the people who facilitated this didn't prevent it from happening,
1:58:18
Speaker 2: encourage a culture of foisting blame for women's sexual behavior
1:58:22
Speaker 2: onto men. None of them are taking responsibility. And then
1:58:25
Speaker 2: they're even publishing a quote from someone who's saying it
1:58:29
Speaker 2: is the culture that's the problem, but they're still not
1:58:32
Speaker 2: taking responsibility. Everybody else is to blame, right, and the
1:58:39
Speaker 2: interests of not dying from aneurysm, I'm just going to
1:58:43
Speaker 2: hand it back.
1:58:44
Speaker 1: To you, Brian, all right, well, thank you for that,
1:58:49
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Speaker 3: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
1:59:14
Speaker 3: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
1:59:18
Speaker 3: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
1:59:20
Speaker 3: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
1:59:22
Speaker 3: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked