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Looking for the Happy Ending · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for another Bachelor rekeep. It's episode six. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: after two episodes last week, we're into episode six this week.
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  Speaker 2: What an incredible episode to have. Montreal is beautiful, absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: It shows up well again. I think Joey's season is
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  Speaker 2: going to some of the best places and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look like it's gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Stop because oh my gosh, yeah, Jasper. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: where is this. Nobody knew where they were going. They're like,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to Jasper. I don't think Maria even knew.
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  Speaker 2: Like the perfect week for a princess date always one
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  Speaker 2: of our favorites is when somebody gets to get dressed
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  Speaker 2: up and treated a real nice Maria has that date.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the big headlines as we start to break this
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  Speaker 2: down for me, Maria skyrockets instead the top three. For me,
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  Speaker 2: I am a huge supporter of Maria. I have no
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  Speaker 2: clue what's been happening in the last few weeks. I
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  Speaker 2: am more confused than ever at why this line cleanly, cleanly,
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  Speaker 2: and it just makes me go, hey, they drop the storyline.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody seems to be happy. That's still there. The people
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  Speaker 2: that are there make sense to me, and so whatever
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  Speaker 2: was happening in these last few episodes, we should forget them,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think they were as dramatic and as
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  Speaker 2: detrimental to the journey of Joey and these wonderful ladies
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  Speaker 2: as the show tried to make it seem. Maria is
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  Speaker 2: in my top three, and I think she's gonna stay there,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even top two.
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  Speaker 3: I would probably agree that she seems top three right now.
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  Speaker 3: But he also just seems to like everyone in this
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  Speaker 3: top six so much. This is one of those great
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  Speaker 3: seasons where once you hit top six, you actually don't
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  Speaker 3: know what move he's gonna make because all of these
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  Speaker 3: girls have had one on ones. All of these girls
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  Speaker 3: have gotten multiple roses through like through before Rose ceremonies,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they've gotten group date
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  Speaker 3: roses and all that. So like, yeah, it's gonna be really,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be shocking. Honestly, whoever gets eliminated next week.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it great? I Mean I can't remember a season
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  Speaker 2: like this where we'll know, remember, we already know the
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  Speaker 2: top six, and we're so invested into each of them
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  Speaker 2: like some seasons at the top six, we're like, how
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  Speaker 2: we don't even know this person? Like what are they
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  Speaker 2: still doing here? Like obviously they're weren't going home next week.
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  Speaker 3: Usually there's one rando that you're like, you didn't have
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  Speaker 3: a one on one, Like why?
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  Speaker 2: What? What are we doing here? This doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: So Ashley, my uh to kind of kick this off.
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  Speaker 2: My curiosity comes back to you then to say what
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  Speaker 2: has made this season so good when it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to the top six. Now, you just mentioned that Joey
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  Speaker 2: likes all of them. They've all had one on ones,
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  Speaker 2: they've gotten roses, all those things. But I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that is the delta that's made this different than
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  Speaker 2: past seasons. What about this top six feels different?
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  Speaker 3: We do know them better, but I don't know why
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  Speaker 3: we know them better. They've all gotten a lot of
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  Speaker 3: screen time, but it doesn't feel like some of the
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  Speaker 3: girls that have already left didn't get screen time. Like
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we've just I don't know what it's been, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I really think it's the lack of drama. I think
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  Speaker 2: the lack of drama allows the space for people's personal
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  Speaker 2: stories to be shared, and for us, this.
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  Speaker 3: Since they should have not had any drama then, because
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  Speaker 3: we all know that the drama that they did have
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  Speaker 3: was stupid.
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  Speaker 2: But it really didn't take up that much time. Like
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  Speaker 2: I know, we had an episode where it felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of like filtering through the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: but in the midst of the drama, we still saw
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  Speaker 2: one on ones, we saw stories. The drama was not
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  Speaker 2: the episode cliffhanger. Every time for the first five weeks
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  Speaker 2: it took up an episode, but in past seasons recently,
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  Speaker 2: drama has taken up the first five episodes fairly consistently
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  Speaker 2: other than the first episode, So two through five all drama.
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  Speaker 2: It's all chaos. Everybody's arguing, somebody's mad at somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: We're waiting for that person to get home because the villain,
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  Speaker 2: we just don't want to see him there this season.
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  Speaker 2: Call Sidney whatever you call her, if you just call
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  Speaker 2: her you know, a nuisance, if you call her cringe,
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  Speaker 2: if you call her a villain, or if you just
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  Speaker 2: call her misunderstood, whatever you want to call her. She
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  Speaker 2: she didn't. She would definitely be known as the person
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  Speaker 2: that was most focused on when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: drama of the season. But even then we didn't really
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  Speaker 2: get to know Sidney, like it wasn't like her screen
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  Speaker 2: time was that much more than other women. And as
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  Speaker 2: a result, I think we have to know them and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what we've been missing is love conquers
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  Speaker 2: the drama, and that's what we want.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we want, and that's what we've gotten. It's
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  Speaker 3: been great, but it's been very well done season. I'm
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  Speaker 3: really I'm really happy, and the feature.
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  Speaker 2: Too, like, let's just keep this going. We don't need
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  Speaker 2: the most dramatic season ever. In fact, Ashley, I do
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  Speaker 2: have a question. I don't know, out of curiosity, does
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  Speaker 2: Jesse start the season saying this is gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: most dramatic season ever.
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  Speaker 3: No, we don't really. I don't remember having an intro
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  Speaker 3: like that, because remember we had that scene that you
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  Speaker 3: thought was from Charity season, which was the moment at
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  Speaker 3: the altar the roast ceremonial els are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the past, obviously we started the season
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  Speaker 2: by saying this is gonna be the most dramatic season ever.
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  Speaker 2: It obviously people feel like it has to live up
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  Speaker 2: to it. The show for a long time was trying
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  Speaker 2: to live up to that. I think it was a
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  Speaker 2: downhill slide for them, so we're kind of reversing course.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like a season of the past. Let's dive
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  Speaker 2: into it. They're again in Montreat all Jesse is the
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  Speaker 2: first to see the women. It is beautiful. It looks gorgeous,
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  Speaker 2: and what Jesse explains from the very beginning is that
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a group date in two one on ones.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's getting a date this week. The first date is
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  Speaker 2: a group day. It's a scavenger hunt. Ashley, this felt
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  Speaker 2: like it was set up to be an awkward date
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  Speaker 2: to me, Like I was thinking, this obviously felt awkward.
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  Speaker 2: The girls kind of felt disconnected going into the cocktail party.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of felt like one of those dates where
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  Speaker 2: Joey was never going to really be able to to
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  Speaker 2: win or to make them feel seen because everybody's running
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  Speaker 2: around like crazy in their own little groups instead of
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  Speaker 2: maybe competing in a sporting event where Joey could kind
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  Speaker 2: of stand on the sidelines. A group date for me, YEA,
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  Speaker 2: when I did it like these would always be the
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  Speaker 2: most intimidating because there's no way to give everybody equal attention,
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  Speaker 2: and at this point you obviously have people that are
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  Speaker 2: feeling very pushed aside because they didn't get the one
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  Speaker 2: on one, so they're already mad. They're kind of bringing
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  Speaker 2: down the vibe of the group. Yeah, it's really hard
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  Speaker 2: to navigate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this definitely gets to be to the point where
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  Speaker 3: there are people there are like a few that haven't
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  Speaker 3: had one ones and they're like super sad, and then
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  Speaker 3: those people who have had one ones and they're like,
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  Speaker 3: I've had one on one, I can't do a group
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  Speaker 3: date anymore, you know, So that's always difficult. I mean
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  Speaker 3: my takeaway My biggest memory from this though, was honestly
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  Speaker 3: them making poutine and Jen's connection with him there and
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  Speaker 3: him saying that he feels like she really stands out
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  Speaker 3: moments like that and she's able to make it seem
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  Speaker 3: like it's just the two of them and she doesn't
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  Speaker 3: feel the threat of the other women around her.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about somebody that we could learn from when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to how you navigate a group date.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I was honestly jealous watching her, Yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: she really is, Yeah, she really is so comfortable, and
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  Speaker 3: I was. It brought me back to those moments and
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  Speaker 3: how I was like, I don't know how I'm supposed
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  Speaker 3: to stand out or like even like speak when there's
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  Speaker 3: other girls around, because even just like saying like one
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  Speaker 3: random sentence in the group makes you feel like everybody's
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  Speaker 3: going to go and analyze that sentence and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: is that stupid? I didn't set in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: I just said it so that like I would say something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never wanted attention on the group dates. Really, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it was never like a It would never made me
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  Speaker 2: feel any better or worse to get attention on the
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  Speaker 2: group dates. Quite honestly, it would just it kind of
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  Speaker 2: felt like something I could stand in the background of
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  Speaker 2: and let everybody else who really wanted to stand out
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  Speaker 2: stand out, and I would then have my time at
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  Speaker 2: some point, like I always knew WI, Yeah, I always
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  Speaker 2: have my time. I just didn't need to be the
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  Speaker 2: funniest or the mouse out going or be the one
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  Speaker 2: like hanging on the lead.
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  Speaker 3: It just then that's just because you're naturally so alluring
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  Speaker 3: and like appealing.
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  Speaker 2: That's really sweet. You should ask my wife.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't need to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I also just think it would make me like
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  Speaker 2: you kind of like you were saying. My point was
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  Speaker 2: it made me uncomfortable like, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: in a group setting and be the one that like
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  Speaker 2: kisses the lead is awkward. That is weird in a sense,
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  Speaker 2: I found it inappropriate. I still find it inappropriate to watch,
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  Speaker 2: Like give that space to do that in your private time.
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  Speaker 2: That could just be me, but it was never something
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  Speaker 2: that I desired. Now there is a huge difference here,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the big point of this group day
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  Speaker 2: leads in the cocktail party, and you have the difference
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  Speaker 2: of Jin who I think could be really hysterical if
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  Speaker 2: we just like saw more of her. I mean, with
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  Speaker 2: the few lines that she said on this episode made
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  Speaker 2: me laugh, Like she once studied abroad and the only
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  Speaker 2: thing she learned how to say was I'm not wearing underwear.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think that was actually like really funny and
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  Speaker 2: it was like a really like like lighthearted way for
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  Speaker 2: her to enter into this day. Yeah, I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was hilarious. And then so you have Jess who's freaking out.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to say I told you so.
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  Speaker 3: No, you did, though, and I agreed with you.
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  Speaker 2: Last week.
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  Speaker 3: I said she's leaving, and I knew that she would
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  Speaker 3: leave on the group date.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I said, I told I said this at the
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  Speaker 2: very first episode, Ashley, No.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're right. You called it. She does have it,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's just a vibe she puts out there that's like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: she's just gonna say too much, too soon, she gona
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  Speaker 3: and he's gonna be like, Nope, don't feel that way,
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  Speaker 3: because you said that, I gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Let you go.
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  Speaker 3: But he would have had he would have let her
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  Speaker 3: go at the Row ceremony either way. But he obviously
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  Speaker 3: let her go on the group date because she's like,
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  Speaker 3: I am I'm falling, and he was like I am not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is unfair to keep you around. It was just
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  Speaker 3: the writing was so.
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  Speaker 2: On the wall, and it's good. I think it's good
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  Speaker 2: of a lead now that would have been up to him.
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  Speaker 2: The show is not saying, hey, she's going to come
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  Speaker 2: in and say this to you, and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: in that moment and it is kind of an unspoken rule.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I sent somebody home I don't know exactly
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  Speaker 2: who on a group date and the producers freaked out
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  Speaker 2: because they're like, oh really, Oh, They're like, we won't
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  Speaker 2: have a Row ceremony this week, like you don't have
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  Speaker 2: any other Like for whatever reason, enough people had gone home,
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  Speaker 2: were like, we need like our number was yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: we needed six next week and we are down to six.
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  Speaker 3: So did you not have a road ceremony?
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  Speaker 2: No, we got it canceled?
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  Speaker 3: No way. Okay, Well, then the girls this week were
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  Speaker 3: doing the math and they thought there was going to
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  Speaker 3: be only three girls eliminated, with Lexi having decided to leave,
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  Speaker 3: they got that ROAs ceremony was just going to eliminate
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  Speaker 3: one girl.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at this point lead kind of yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: not a shocker, right, No, No, she had definitely I
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  Speaker 2: think they thought maybe she could stick around and play
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  Speaker 2: a role to, you know, cause a little case. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think at this point it makes sense for chaos
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  Speaker 2: to be brought in because I really don't know if
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  Speaker 2: any of the women here really give any time to
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  Speaker 2: chaos or any type of drama. I think they would
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  Speaker 2: all be like, yeah, you're good, like you do whatever
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  Speaker 2: you got to do. But I'm not listening to this.
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  Speaker 2: With Ess gone, I think the show I think it
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, Leah's gone. Caitln was one. I do
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  Speaker 2: feel like we didn't see a lot of her. It
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  Speaker 2: never really felt like they clicked, even in their last conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It just felt like it was too far gone that
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  Speaker 2: the show had moved past, you know, kind of where
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  Speaker 2: their relationship stood. I did see a funny meme that
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  Speaker 2: I really hadn't even thought about, but it was like,
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  Speaker 2: I bet Leah wishes she would have kept that card
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  Speaker 2: now to get the one on one date because because
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  Speaker 2: she never got one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's because she would have gone on a
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  Speaker 3: one on one and would have gotten and she would
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  Speaker 3: have gotten eliminated on it.
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  Speaker 2: Just absolutely wild though, just the scene with Jess. I
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  Speaker 2: want to dig into that a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a good move from Joey is to send somebody
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  Speaker 2: home in that manner, because what he did get to
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  Speaker 2: do is explain himself a little bit and walk her
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  Speaker 2: out and not.
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  Speaker 3: Walk her out in front of the other girls, which
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  Speaker 3: I was petrified of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it would have been too awkward.
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  Speaker 2: And so I know it feels a little cold maybe,
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  Speaker 2: but that is the most sensitive way, given the fort
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  Speaker 2: framework of the show, to actually send somebody home is
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  Speaker 2: to do it like he like, like he did it
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  Speaker 2: with Jess. It just gives more time than ever good.
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  Speaker 3: He's so good, Ben, He's like he really reminds me like,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're the closest one of his like demeanor.
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  Speaker 3: He's good, Like I think you were the last one
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  Speaker 3: who had like such a kind and warm demeanor in
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  Speaker 3: moments like this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's really good and I was waiting for this
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  Speaker 2: moment we talked about a little bit last week. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think Joey is absolutely fantastic. I have nothing but
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  Speaker 2: great things to say about him. I think he is authentic.
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  Speaker 2: I think he is genuine. I think he is trying
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  Speaker 2: his best in this moment to not only do this
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  Speaker 2: journey well, but also make the women that come feel
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  Speaker 2: cared for or maybe they're happy that they at least
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  Speaker 2: gave it a shot with him. I think all those
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  Speaker 2: things mark a really great lead, and I think Joey
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  Speaker 2: is that. The one thing I was confused about up
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  Speaker 2: to this point, or just waiting for maybe, was where
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  Speaker 2: is Joey's empathy at? Because he, yes, he does respond
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  Speaker 2: well in the midst of these stories, and he does respond.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell he cares and you can tell he listens.
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  Speaker 2: But everything to this point has marked that Joey is
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  Speaker 2: feeling this. Also, remember last week we talked about how
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  Speaker 2: heavy this must be on him hearing these these true stories,
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  Speaker 2: these really incredible stories of coming through hardship each and
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  Speaker 2: every week, maybe multiple times a week, and how much
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  Speaker 2: that he must have felt it. But he really wasn't
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  Speaker 2: showing that it was affecting him too much until this week.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we forgot about talking about the open ex scene.
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  Speaker 2: Until this week, and I think we saw. I think
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  Speaker 2: for me, what it did was it. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how else to say this other than making it sound insensitive.
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  Speaker 2: It checked one more box off for me when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to Joey. And I said, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: he is feeling this like he is in this. He's
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  Speaker 2: not just crying because he's hurt. He's crying because this
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  Speaker 2: has been so overwhelming. He's feeling like maybe he's going
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  Speaker 2: to get rejected and maybe that he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be loved it like he loves somebody else. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he shows this emotion unless he's really feeling
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  Speaker 2: all the emotions that have been communicated to him throughout
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  Speaker 2: the course of The Bachelor so far. And so I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: he isn't it like this dude is feeling everything, which
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  Speaker 2: is beautiful to watch, and I feel for him, because
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  Speaker 2: it's so hard when you're doing that and you're in
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  Speaker 2: that and every moment just, you know, kind of like
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  Speaker 2: hits your heart.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think that he is hearing these stories
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  Speaker 3: and thinking like I won't be able to support these
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  Speaker 3: women the way that they'll need me to or because
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  Speaker 3: or do you think he's just having a totally separate
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  Speaker 3: moment where he's just like everybody thinks I'm perfect and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not, and I'm having an identity criticis sort of thing,
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  Speaker 3: because again, this reminded me of you and like the
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  Speaker 3: whole perfect Bend thing, and like they didn't put that
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  Speaker 3: umbrella over him the way that they did it for you.
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  Speaker 3: But it's reminding me of an episode with Charity where
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  Speaker 3: he was like, they don't really know the real me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I really know the real me,
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm not that great, and I'm like, that's what
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  Speaker 3: Jared went through with me. He was always like, she'd
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  Speaker 3: thinks I'm the most amazing man in the entire world,
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  Speaker 3: and I cannot live up to that because I am
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  Speaker 3: so flawed. And if only she knew what I was
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  Speaker 3: really liked behind closed doors, she would never have this
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  Speaker 3: interest in me, and I feel like that's coming into
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: play here with Joey. But I'm also like at the
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: same time, thinking about the charity episode and being like, Joey,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: is there something dark and scary about you that we're
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: not seeing, because this is the second time you're bringing
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: it up like this.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's an irrational I mean
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I think for him, he's there's humility being shown. I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: think he realizes he's human. And I also think that
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and I can speak to this a little bit from experience,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: because you're right, I've talked about it. But when I
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: remember watching in Jamaica the trailer for my season that
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: came out and the tagline was the perfect Bin, I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: broke down because I knew that one it felt like
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: it was inauthentic. It felt like one the show was
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: communicating in me in a way that I did not
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: believe was true, and two, it was just setting me
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: up for failure. It was just setting me up to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: disappoint somebody at some point. And I thought, yeah, this
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: is that I broke down. So I can speak to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: this a little bit. With what Joey's expressing, I think
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it is humility I think also
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it is the situation he's in.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: You know, Joey's an attractive dude, right, But I don't
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: believe that he was walking around Hawaii and every girl
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: was swooning over him. I'm sure the girls were like, Oh,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he's so cute.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Have this haircut?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, have a haircut.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But I'm still I don't know what happened to this man. Okay,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it. A lot of our time
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: on Charity season, I was like, yeah, like he's cute. Yeah, Okay,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: he's cute. And now I'm like, is that is a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: hot man?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well? And so I do think when you get
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: in a situation like this and you have all these
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: incredible women that are staying around for you, and you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: emotional because all these women have incredible stories and they're
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: expressing themselves to you, and they're expressing their feelings to you,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: and you're like, you feel uncomfortable. Quite honestly, you don't.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I think good leads don't ever feel it, really feel
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: like they're the bachelor. You know. They don't go into
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it being like, yes, come here, ladies, like you want
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to date me, Like you're lucky to be with me.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think when it comes to Joey, he's humble, he's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: not used to this, and he's creating all these stories
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: in his head, mostly around and what I think he's
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: pointing to is at the end of this, if I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: am lucky enough to be with one of these amazing women,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: they're going to be greatly disappointed in who I am
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and what my life looks like. You know, I mean,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: he what right now? I think he's publicly said he
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: lives with his sister. Yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Jared had that insecurity too. He was like, do you
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: know what? She has? No idea like the lifestyle I
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: will be able to give her right now.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's I do think there's a lot of
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: emotion being expressed through his concerns, and I think we
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: have to look past what he's saying and when it
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: comes to these women think I'm perfect, and look more
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: into what he's actually trying to communicate, which is I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: don't know if they really know me. It's not like
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I have a deep, dark secret. It's not like I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: don't think I'm a good dude. I wouldn't sign up
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: for this if I didn't think I was at least
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: able to be married or at least maybe husband material. However,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I do think I'm gonna fall short of their expectations
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of me, and that scares me. I think it's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: real fear, and I think it's a fear that I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: hope we get to see more of, or at least
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: him communicate more of, because I think it's only gonna
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: make us more related or like, feel more relatable to him.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Do you think that they're building this up though, for
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: him to get dumped at the altar and like, because
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: it seems like that it's they're trying to build a story.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, do you know what happened?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: No, he's too close to Joey guys, he knows things.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I think we'll get a happy ending because he's kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of pointed to that. I do believe we're going to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: get a happy ending here. I don't think we should
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: set ourselves up as viewers to believe that this is
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: going to be a really sad story, okay or ending.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I do though, think that, unfortunately, the signs are all
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: pointing based on the fact that six women left, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: as you said it, he feels all six of them,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and he's into all six of them. These next few
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: episodes are going to be heart wrenching to watch. He
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: is going to be torn to pieces because he has
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to send some of these home. He's not going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: understand why he's sending so and so home because they,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in any other given circumstance, could be somebody he would
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: see himself being spending his life with. Every week from
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: here on out is going to be heart wrenching and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it sucks. It's so hard. I've been in it, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it's so hard. He's going to be in his room
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: balling his eyes out, being like, what in the world
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: did I sign up for?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I'm so sad for him, but I'm just so happy.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm so bumped. I'm so excited.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Joey. Okay, wait, let's talk about something else
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: right now. Lexi and her decision to leave on her own,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: because it is at the group date where she poises
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the question to him, like, what is your timeline if
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: you leave here with somebody? And he does say two
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: to three year long engagement, which is a long time
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: for an engagement in my point of view, but I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: taking into consideration this is a different process, and in
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: his mind it's probably like, well, we're kind of dating
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: for one and a half two years, then we'll plan
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the wedding and get married then, So that would have
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: thrown me off of our Lexi thirty year old Lexi
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: with endometriosis, who has talked on Instagram recently about how
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: she had just frozen her eggs like oh, two weeks
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: before going on The Bachelor. She was still recovering from that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: She actually said that she felt so insecure about how
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: puffy her face was. I'm like, girl, are you kidding me?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Like a supermodel. So they both handled that question conversation
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: really well. He was so honest and then she, I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: sure was very disappointed in hearing the answer, but still
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: like took it really well. And then a couple of
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: days later she know, she mulls it over and just
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: realizes that that's not something that she can't work with
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: that timeline. He does say that for the right person,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: he could, like it could change. So my question to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you is, do you think she should have stayed a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: week or two longer, bearing that she was going to
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: get roses during that time, or did she make the
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: right decision in leaving, because maybe she could have been
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the person to change his mind. Even though I know
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: we said last week after they're one on one that
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: we didn't feel such strong chemistry between them, But when
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: she left, Joey certainly made it seem like they had
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: something really strong and big.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Mmm, you think I disagree, But you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Think that he was just trying to be nice? What
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: do you think?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: No?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think if I think if your future wife walks
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: out at this point in time, you would be broken up.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to change. I'll do this for.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: You, like you would be like almost at a point
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: where you like beg or you're like no, no, no, please, don't,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: please don't. Then once they decide to leave, you get
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like you feel like the world's swirling around you. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: don't feel like that. Okay, he happened to him. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: think he cared about her, and I think he saw
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: her in a great light. But I think both of
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: them knew that this was not going to be there forever.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Person see.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I thought that she knew that, which is why she
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: made the decision. But he just seemed like he said
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: something really intense, like.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It would have been one of Joey's greatest fears would
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: be at this point in time hit one of his
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: top three women leaving like it would crush him. I'll
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: tell you that it would destroy him.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: If we're talking like Kelsey or Daisy's helling him this
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: like it's different.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Kelsey, Daisy. I don't think
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I could put Maria in there. Kelsey t I would
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: put in there. Probably Rachel I'd put in there. Still.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I think Maria might be in my top three. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think Joey's fully convinced yet. I just I
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: think there was like a too much in the middle
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of their relationship. But I would say, if let's just
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: use Daisy as an example, if Daisy came to him
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: said I'm going to go home, he would be a wreck.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Like you would see a different reaction. So it didn't.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good decision by her, and I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: think it makes sense. I think it's a very mature
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: decision to make. I know, it's hard to leave this
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: show because you're having a great time and you want
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to know where you're going next, and it's exciting to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: be with the women, and Joey's great and so you're
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: still into kind of dating him and having this experience.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But for her to say, hey, you know what, like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I want things that maybe you don't want. At this point,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it and it's time for me
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to go home, like very mature of her. The sad
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: part is I don't know how much more will see
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: of her, Like I don't think she's the next bachelorette.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So it's just sad because I liked I enjoyed watching
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: her on television.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: But that's why we need paradise to happen, guys, because
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: it's really too sad to have, like to grow an
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: attachment to these characters then never to see them again.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I agree.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Really weird.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So kelsey T is up next with the one on one, Right,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: kelsey T has a one on one. Been very excited
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: for kelsey T to have her a moment because she's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: been amazing and she's been patient, and I know that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: she started to speak out recently like hey I want
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to one on one. It wasn't shocking that she got
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it this week. It was really cool that she got
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: it this week.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: That day sucked it aw Okay, yeah, I know that
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: he had like you know, the motion sickness and all that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: While I I kind of dazed.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Out of that. Yeah, circus Lay is so cool, Like
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the concept of it was awesome, and they could have
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: been doing really cool stuff with circus La like they
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: could have been. There's so many parts of that show
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that they could have experimented with and seen and enjoyed.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I think circus La is one of the coolest acts
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen with my own eyes. I was excited
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: when they say we're gonna train with circus La. The
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: problem is they literally like said, hey guys, we're gonna
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: put you in the most gut wrenching literally things that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: circus La does. We're gonna spin you in a circle
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: as fast as you can. We're gonna hang you from
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: your feet, We're gonna spin you around. We're gonna get
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you in this weird like you know, rat race circle thing,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna spin you around again. This was awful, Like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: who set this up? No, Like, nobody wants to do
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: this all the time, especially if weren't trained for it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: There is They could have been cute, it could have
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: been exciting, it could have been fun, It could have
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: been great promotion for circus La. Instead, it just looked
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like it would make my Stomacher.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. So they didn't have any moments of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: real bonding there because he did feel so sick. It's
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: wasted afternoon really, But then we go to the dinner
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: time and I know you're gonna disagree with me. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: actually didn't think that he felt it so much. There
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: was a moment where I was like, she is she
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: gonna share this story and then not get the rose?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: You didn't pick up on that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard for me because I don't have
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a lot to compare it to as of recent when
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it comes to incredible dates. I mean, Rachel was close.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I would maybe say in general, it feels like at
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: times on these one on ones they aren't connecting in
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a way that the Daisies and the kelsey A's connect
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and so everybody else is kind of catching up to it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's what we're compared.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: To that, Like he told the story and then like
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I just felt like he was like hmm, yeah, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: it been here, you know what I mean?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But also like how do you respond? I don't know.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I think that's actually probably the answer, Ben is that
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: he probably just didn't really know how to respond, and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: especially with it being like your first day, like you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: probably didn't want to get into religion, especially with the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: camera's there, Like that's probably a conversation that he's like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: you know what, we can save this for the fantasy
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: If you get there, well, you know, it's different. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: don't know what Joey's like faith tradition looks like. I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: don't know where he comes from. Personally. For me, it
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: was always a big topic, and so we talked about
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: our faith and kind of how we saw the foundation
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of our lives and all that quite often because it
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was so important to me. It was probably it was
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: definitely very prevalent. It never got showed. It was never
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a topic that was ever showed because I think the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: show stays away from it for the moment part. But
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it was always a very common conversation because it is
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: just common in my life. I'm curious more than anything
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: about people's face or lack of face or where you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: why the beliefs are the way they are, Like, it's
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a curiosity for me. I think when it comes to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Kelsey one again, a really like courageous story to share.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I know that she hasn't shared it often, and I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: know how hard it would be in this environment to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: share it. So I don't want to like not fully
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: appreciate what she was sharing. I do think, uh, and somebody, actually,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I think on my Instagram, give me the official medical
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: word for this. But so I'm not gonna say it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean I wish I could. I can't remember what
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it was said, but thank you for sending me that,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense. He's emotionally exhausted. And when
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you get emotionally exhausted, no matter what somebody's sharing with you,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: like you don't have I mean, at least for me,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you get brain fog and you're like, I don't know
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: what to say.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, he's really had like the right thing to say,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and then he was probably just like I don't have
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it in me right now.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: No, And I mean, I think that's very fair, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: that's why I don't want to under emphasize just how
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like I think with this season, we're getting a good
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: picture of how hard it is to be the lead.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And I'd never love when people are like, it's the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done, because quite frankly, it's it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: wild and there's you know, if this is if the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: bachelor is the hardest thing you've ever done in your life.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You've got a lot of grown up to do. But
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to underemphasize just how difficult this is,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: especially when you care to be in these moments time
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: after time after time after time after time again, because
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you're not trained for it. You're not a therapist, you're
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: not in ministry, you're not a psychologist. You're just sitting
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: there taking it and trying to feel it with these people,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and you get tired of it, you get exhausted, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you don't always have the right words, and sometimes you
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: don't even like have any empathy left, at least in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: my situation. And so I just think it's Joey's at
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a point where he's ready to start having fun again.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I feel bad for you've ben pointing it
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: out now.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I think he was off. I don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe he wasn't off. Maybe No, I think that's a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: sign word to say he could have been off. That's okay, right, Ashley.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: As humans, how often are you off? You're off? Often?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I'm off? Often, Like it's okay to be off. You're
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: expecting a dude or a woman to be on for
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: forty straight dates and to be like nailing it and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to be in it. No, you were getting a picture
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: of the human experience and the human experiences over time,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: you get tired and you can only handle so much
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: until you need boundaries and you maybe need to disappear
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: for a few days. You know. Joey's talked about how
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: he's an introvert. He isn't as outgoing as others. He
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: probably at this point like all I need is three
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: days to go and be silent and sit alone, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he ain't gonna get it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: He totally said that in the beginning of the episode.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: He said, like, I'm not the guy that's like who
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I want to have fun and I want to be
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: out there and talking all the time.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he probably is desiring alone time. He's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: probably desiring to just breathe, and he isn't gonna get it,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And so we're just gonna see him get really tired
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and really burnt out until you know, he'll find a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: way to kind of revive himself for those next two weeks.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But I remember after my season, I slept for like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: a full two days. I could not wake up like
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you were just in a fog of like confusion what
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: just happened?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you also had like a tapeworm, you know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it's a good excuse. Well, so we
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: go from kelsey T's day where she did get a rose,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: she was amazing on it is the connection where others
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: are I don't think so, but it does feel like
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: there's something there where kelsey T I think will be
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: around a while. Still.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You don't really think a why because think about a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: while right now, because it's like, does she get a
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: hometown next or does she not? Yeah?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I think she gets a hometown.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you think she gets a hometown.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I think she gets hometown.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I think you have to think about your math right here,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: because I think you're immediately going to give a hometown too,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: as you've said Maria Daisy, I think Kelsey A. And
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: then all right, so then you're saying, in the toss
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: up between Rachel, kelsey T and who am I missing
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Jen Jen, You're gonna give that one to kelsey T.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I am, okay, I am. That's my vote right now,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that's my prediction. But we do have the one on
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: want with Maria. I think Maria shine bright, she was awesome.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: She really was. I don't have any other words for
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Maria and in this date. Then I watched it and
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, she's she's into Joey, She's feeling these moments.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I was emotional with her. I think it was a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: spectacular date at and it it's It was good for
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: me also because it felt like it was a date
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that moved us past the Maria storyline, where like, we
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: don't know if she's causing chaos, we don't know what
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: she's actually saying. Why are all these people so mad
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: at her all the time? To know that Maria is
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: this is her moment, Like that's gone and she made
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it through it, and now her and Joey get to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: figure this thing out again. I really like this date
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: It's a great date. It was a good date. She
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: is so easy to watch on TV. She's so comfortable.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether she's just there's a combination of
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: her just being comfortable with Joey, comfortable probably flirting and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: with men. I feel like she just has that personality
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that combined with her comfort in front of the camera,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like she just seems totally herself, like no reservations.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she does I mean, and she seems totally herself
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: with Joey. She seems super into him, Like there's no
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: question in my mind that she's not there to try
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: to make this work with him. She hasn't even I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you would almost expect her to have the personality of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: maybe past contestants where they're always trying to be showy
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: or shown or be the center of attention. She doesn't
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: have that. She just feels like a good, big personality
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: who's confident and who says what she thinks and as
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a result, maybe rubs people the wrong way. But for
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the most part, it just feels like Maria's Maria and
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that's okay. And I think Joey's into it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: He's so into it. She's different than She's definitely different
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: than the others. The others have like more of a
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: serious relationship. They have a more playful relationship. When I
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: watch them together, it feels like watching a couple like
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: at a bar on a first date, being flirty. In
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: This feel like when they're on a date. I feel like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: this seems like really authentic. This doesn't sound seem like
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a bachelor date to me. This just seems like me
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: like kind of spying in on somebody else's actual date.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very It does feel very real in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: so many ways. And so that's why I said Maria
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: skyrockets into the top three for me now before.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That she's so confident, and I'm like, I'm a little
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: jealous of how like she can just strut out of
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the dressing room and just be like, Hey, what do
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: you think I look like in this? Like I would
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: feel so awkward. But love, of course, I love the
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: princess date, the pretty woman date, whatever you want to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: call it, but like for me to have to model
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: clothes for a guy that I've never been on a
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: one on one date with before, I would feel so awkward.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's great. I mean I do I think
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: she I think she's really good for the show too.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I think the show fits her because she is more
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: confident and she can do all that stuff and not
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: be scared of it. And I'm just really happy for
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: her outside everything else that she got to move on
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: from really probably feeling hated in the house at times,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and I don't love that feeling. That wasn't like a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: really fun couple of episodes to watch. So before we
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: give our top threes. They are in Jasper, Canada next week.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: It looks gorgeous. There's nothing of note really in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: kind of teaser other than a few people crying. Jen
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: specifically crying saying she's scared to lose Joey, which is
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: a big change because Jen at this point has been happy,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: go lucky, you know, hasn't really had as much television
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: time as others. We don't know her, we probably know
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: her the least out of all of the ladies left.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: So something happens where they connect and she really starts
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to share her heart with Joey and she starts to fall.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: We also see Maria say she doesn't know she can
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: do this anymore. So there's there's obviously going to be
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: emotions that come up. I hope it's I hope it's
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: from love and not from drama. But it feels like
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: it's going to be all from from love.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: From love.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all going to be from love and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: just everybody's emotions at this point of being sky sky high,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they're just sky high. And as Ashley and I have mentioned,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know who he's really going to send home.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I did give my prediction, I don't know
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: if it's right, Ashley. I think I think Kelsey A
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: and Daisy are the two for me that sit confidently
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: going forward. I think Maria then would come third. So
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: let's give our top three for me in this order.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: It goes Kelsey A, Daisy.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Maria, Kelsey A, Daisy for me and then yeah, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: think can I can I copy you?
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You can copy me because.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I think it might be Maria too. I want to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: say it was it could have been Jen, But now
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: if you're talking about the seage in the next episode,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: there is a little doubt in there. Can I just
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: also mention that how I think that Kelsey is standing
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Kelsey A is standing strongly at like my tops because
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: it was a sexy moment. I like looked over Jared
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: while I was watching it. I was like it was cute,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: but like he didn't even notice. He wasn't watching it,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and I was just like, that was swoonye.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: He said to her. She said like, I'm falling along
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: with you, and he was like, would you just whisper?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Did you just whisper that? He's like, say it louder
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: and I was like, whoa. It was like it was hot.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: See I think you know what, I thought, what he's
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: so good at this that he was like, hey, the camp,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the audio couldn't pick that up, so you got to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: say that louder.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: No, I thought that is not what he did. The
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: way that, the look in his eye when he said it,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: it was just it was. It was a great moment.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: It was that was a movie moment.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Come to Papa Joey. It's gonna be a great season.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: We've given you our top threes. We're excited for next week.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: We're very invested. So until next time, I've been, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: have been, Ashley.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: See you guys.
• 41:02
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• 41:05
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