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I've Seen the Future and it will Be… · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hello, this is Brian Johnson, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 2: To provide more cooling in the containment chambers.
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  Speaker 3: To your sentinels, we.
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  Speaker 4: Have a rebound.
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  Speaker 5: We got to stop being more responsible and focus, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Just be sharp. Yes, we.
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  Speaker 4: Need to.
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  Speaker 6: It'd be like our own comedy dream, but we're not funny.
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  Speaker 1: You need a token, white action hero, and all the
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  Speaker 1: other tokens.
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  Speaker 6: Over 60.
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  Speaker 1: That is the way it's going now. The Liam Neeson
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot.
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  Speaker 6: The Liam Neeson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so we were watching... The Commuter.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to introduce yourself?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I'm Gina.
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  Speaker 1: That's Paul. Yeah, that's me. What's up, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian, and you've already heard these characters.
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  Speaker 1: You're familiar with them if you've been hanging around.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we just kind of ramble.
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  Speaker 1: So... That's my best bet, usually. That's why I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: when are we getting together? Because all I have to
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  Speaker 1: do is hit record and the episode starts. And we
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  Speaker 1: randomly show up, too. We do. Or you randomly show up.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes both.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, we randomly run into you in the coffee shop.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. We pitched this episode in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: Honey Brothers.
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  Speaker 6: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: you also brought us.
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  Speaker 7: Bringing together a community of like-minded individuals and not so like-minded.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A melting pot, if you will. I made some new
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  Speaker 1: flyers and took them to the Heine brothers this week.
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  Speaker 1: A French press, perhaps. I'm trying to suck in some
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  Speaker 1: new poor bastards that maybe didn't know that we do
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  Speaker 1: this rambling. Definitely not a Keurig of people. It is
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  Speaker 1: not a Keurig of people. I can just issue some
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  Speaker 1: and you can start putting them. As you Johnny Appleseed
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  Speaker 1: your way to all the Heine brothers.
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  Speaker 6: I am a creature of habit. I have my Heine
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  Speaker 6: brothers that I like because they know what I get.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 6: All I have to do is walk up and have
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  Speaker 6: a conversation with them, and then they hand me my coffee,
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  Speaker 6: as I like it, because I go to the same
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  Speaker 6: one all the time. I hate it when I have
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  Speaker 6: to train the new baristas.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 6: It's always nice to get new ones.
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  Speaker 1: You're one of those problem.
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  Speaker 6: Customers, aren't you?
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  Speaker 7: No!
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  Speaker 1: No, she really isn't. No, I'm not. I'm low maintenance.
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  Speaker 1: I have to come to your defense.
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  Speaker 6: I am low maintenance.
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  Speaker 1: You definitely don't get a tricky.
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  Speaker 7: Order, but.
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  Speaker 6: I just get the same thing every time.
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  Speaker 1: You expect it to be right? Come on.
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  Speaker 7: But if it's a new person... There's a learning curve
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  Speaker 7: that has to occur.
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  Speaker 1: There always is.
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  Speaker 7: Always.
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  Speaker 1: And that is no one's fault?
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  Speaker 6: No. And in fact, the baristas that are there are
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  Speaker 6: usually like, she likes this.
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  Speaker 1: Not like that. I would assume at this point they
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  Speaker 1: just shove the new person out of the way. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: I got this. Hold on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's really what happens. Grind. Ding, ding.
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  Speaker 6: Ding.
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  Speaker 1: Ding, ding.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. So we were watching The Commuter.
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  Speaker 1: Starring everyone's favorite person. And we see him in a.
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  Speaker 6: Little bit of trouble. But it's interesting, besides all the
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  Speaker 6: unfashionableness of him at the moment, that he's just a
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  Speaker 6: 60-year-old action star.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I think is really weird is that he
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  Speaker 1: waited until he got to be an old man. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: think about it. He's been acting for, I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: was in his, like, 30s probably when I remember seeing him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But he wasn't an action star then. He could have
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  Speaker 1: been a young action kind of guy. But he waited
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  Speaker 1: until he was 50 to be an action star.
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  Speaker 6: When did the first Taken come out?
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  Speaker 1: He might have been late 40s, but it's like in
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  Speaker 1: the 2000s era.
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  Speaker 6: Is he just one of those dudes that's always looked
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  Speaker 6: like he's 50? Even when he was 30. He's very tall.
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  Speaker 1: When I was watching him in Satisfaction, Satisfaction, starring my
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  Speaker 1: pal Justine Bateman.
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  Speaker 6: I like Justine Bateman.
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  Speaker 1: She's actually pretty cool. She's on Twitter now. She's still
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: active on the Twitters. That's where I think I really
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  Speaker 1: remember him the first time. Pre-Darkman. Again, he was a superhero.
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  Speaker 1: Before it was cool to be a superhero, he was Darkman.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I forgot that was him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's been doing this a long time. But again,
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  Speaker 1: that's the closest thing to an action star, I guess, ever.
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  Speaker 1: And again, half the movie you don't really see him
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  Speaker 1: because he just runs around in the dark covering his face.
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  Speaker 6: But he looked 50 then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, really. Even when he was, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's see.
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  Speaker 7: Love Actually came out in 2005 and he looked old then.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's an old movie now.
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  Speaker 6: I love that movie. How's that an old movie now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, because we're old, duh.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's 13 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of them that are hitting that anniversary
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  Speaker 1: now that I'm like, this is frightening.
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  Speaker 6: When did that come out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So, anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody takes time to celebrate how long ago Starship.
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  Speaker 7: Troopers came out. It's a classic. We've started watching The Commuter.
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  Speaker 7: We are like 15 minutes from the end.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry this episode has ruined your film.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No, we don't know. I don't normally endorse people interrupting movies. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you do. But I just showed up at the scheduled time,
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  Speaker 1: so that was kind of your end.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, I thought you were going to. I was like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: what happens?
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to ruin it for us? So then
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  Speaker 1: at the end.
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  Speaker 6: So then what happened? We knew the one guy was like,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Liam goes to Disneyland. Probably. My thing, just because we
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  Speaker 1: brought him up, I don't even want to get any
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  Speaker 1: deep into the situation that surrounds it, but, because it's
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  Speaker 1: not just him, it's so many people lately that I'm like.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, don't say a word or you'll be there.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, as an idiot who talks
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  Speaker 1: into a microphone on a regular basis, I also realize
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying things out loud to people at least in
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  Speaker 1: the room, if not out on the internet, in the world,
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  Speaker 1: that will hear them. So... don't say things you're not
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  Speaker 1: okay with being, like, responsible for. Because, I mean, again, I.
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  Speaker 1: Like, when I first heard the basic story of what
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  Speaker 1: he said, I was just like, why the hell would
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  Speaker 1: you say that out loud?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, why would you.
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  Speaker 1: And I've heard a little more backstory, and it was
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  Speaker 1: sort of in context of trying to discuss, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the dark side of what goes on in the movie. And, like, again, like,
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  Speaker 1: it had reasons... That he brought it up, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: still like, you know, not only are you in public,
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  Speaker 1: this is going out to an idiot in the press. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be everywhere. At a time.
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  Speaker 6: What are you thinking?
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  Speaker 1: At a time when you really can't say anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So not that it's okay regardless of what time it is.
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  Speaker 6: Not that it's okay, but yeah, I mean, especially.
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  Speaker 1: But you also, yeah, I'm just like right or wrong
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  Speaker 1: out of the way. You know you have a career
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  Speaker 1: that is you in the public eye. You best take
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  Speaker 1: care of that or you're not going to be the
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  Speaker 1: old guy action star anymore.
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  Speaker 6: You'll get replaced by some other guy.
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  Speaker 1: Some young up and comer like Arnold Schwarzenegger or somebody.
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  Speaker 7: Other old guy.
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  Speaker 1: Other old guys.
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  Speaker 7: I think Arnold Schwarzenegger might be older.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he is.
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  Speaker 1: By like 10 years. Yep. He's an old dude. But again...
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  Speaker 1: Who came out of his political retirement to go back
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  Speaker 1: to making action movies. That's true. When he was even older.
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  Speaker 1: I would think, because when he got elected, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I guess that's because he stopped.
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  Speaker 6: That's the end.
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  Speaker 1: Within a couple of years, he stopped doing movies. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, all right, I guess he's retired from acting now.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as he got out of office, he was
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  Speaker 1: back making dumb action movies, being on TV shows. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what Reagan should have done. Yeah, man. If they
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: could have rebooted the Bonzo thing, I would have been there.
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  Speaker 6: Is that the one with the- Like the Bonzo, was
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  Speaker 6: he a pet monkey?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. As we all wish we had. No, I'm terrified. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it will probably kill you. But still, won't
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  Speaker 1: it be adorable? You can put a little clothes on it.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be great.
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  Speaker 6: We're so getting her a monkey.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that.
• 9:18
  Speaker 6: They're like the tiny bears of the world.
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  Speaker 1: They'll destroy you. We'll turn into Zindi the Swamp Boy.
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  Speaker 6: So wait a minute, what were we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say something. The commuter.
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  Speaker 2: Old guys.
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  Speaker 6: Probably had nothing to do with anything.
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  Speaker 1: Saying horrible things that you shouldn't be saying out loud.
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  Speaker 1: Or thinking, really.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, total sidebar on that. One of the characters
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  Speaker 6: was in Love, Hate, that Irish show we love. And
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  Speaker 6: so I was like, is that the guy from Love, Hate?
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  Speaker 6: Because that's the way I ask. Is that the guy
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  Speaker 6: that was in.
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  Speaker 1: That is.
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  Speaker 6: Is that the guy with the two arms and two legs?
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: All of your stories should go like that, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They pretty much do.
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  Speaker 7: He was in it for... A minute and a half
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  Speaker 7: and then died, just like in.
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  Speaker 1: The television show.
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  Speaker 6: No, he got beaten really terribly in the television show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: He lived for a few seasons.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. He was in a coma for the majority
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  Speaker 1: of the television show.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was in a coma for like one of
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  Speaker 7: the seasons. But it's weird.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: So this is a soap opera.
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  Speaker 6: Is what you're saying. Because it's, how long, is that
• 10:07
  Speaker 6: show like 10 years old now?
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Everything's really old. It came out in 2007, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The first series.
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  Speaker 6: So he still looks totally the same. Yeah. He still
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  Speaker 6: looks exactly the same. But we thought it was interesting,
• 10:18
  Speaker 6: two Irish actors. And Sam Neill.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: No wonder they had to fight. There can be only one.
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  Speaker 1: Only one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Two Irish guys and a Kiwi.
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  Speaker 6: And a Kiwi who's played an Irishman.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Most people probably wouldn't know the difference, right? Yeah.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: We're Americans.
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  Speaker 7: Sam Neill does do a convincing Irish accent on Peaky Blinders.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he was like Northern Irish.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: Even worse. I'm going to break it out now. Oh, God.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: Speaking of being offensive. Great show. Let's all do horrible
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: accents the entire episode.
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  Speaker 7: I am a great admirer of the Irish.
• 10:57
  Speaker 6: You do a good Irish. You don't do a shabby
• 10:59
  Speaker 6: Irish accent. I always sound like a bad Irish person
• 11:04
  Speaker 6: trying to do a Russian accent.
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  Speaker 1: An Irish person on vacation somewhere in Moscow.
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  Speaker 6: As much as I love and adore Ireland, I sound
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  Speaker 6: like I'm doing a bad Irish accent.
• 11:16
  Speaker 7: A Soviet person trying to do an Irish accent.
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  Speaker 6: Like, it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, blimey, comrade. So.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so anyway, that's what we got going on.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: It's time those capitalist pigs paid for their crimes, eh, comrade? Eh, comrade?
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: It's a new action movie we're working on. It's kind
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: of like Red Heat, only a little Irish-y, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I get this.
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  Speaker 1: All right. This will work.
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  Speaker 6: Did you see Detective Comrade? I liked Detective Comrade. Oh,
• 11:51
  Speaker 6: but it's another show that would.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: There's so many shows. I can't. I can't.
• 11:55
  Speaker 6: I almost cried at the end of this season, the
• 11:57
  Speaker 6: final season of Kimmy Schmidt. Because first of all, I
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  Speaker 6: was shocked it was the end. And I was like,
• 12:02
  Speaker 6: no more Kimmy Schmidt. I needed to be prepared for this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was just cute. And it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: let down soft way.
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  Speaker 6: No, it was like.
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  Speaker 1: It was a brutal ending. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But I mean, it was cute.
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  Speaker 1: It was cute. It was just quick.
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  Speaker 6: And then it was like, really? Everything... everything.
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  Speaker 1: Turned out okay perhaps if you lock yourself in a
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  Speaker 1: bunker for years on end when you come back out
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: there'll be new episodes oh my god there's only one.
• 12:21
  Speaker 7: Way if if uh richard wayne gary wayne kidnaps you
• 12:25
  Speaker 7: you've got that to look forward to.
• 12:28
  Speaker 6: Was it richard wayne gary wayne yeah dick wayne dick
• 12:30
  Speaker 6: wayne richard wayne gary wayne in his fabulosity oh.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Lord so what have you been up to Do we... Again,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: we've got a couple of options here. Do you want
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: to just go through some random stuff you've seen, or
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: do you want to throw out that topic?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no. We were going to talk about that whole topic.
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: I was just inquiring. How are you? Did you get
• 12:53
  Speaker 6: your tires changed?
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 12:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I've got new tires. That's one of the many things
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: that have been breaking me as of late. Let me guess.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: You didn't use TireRack.com. No.
• 13:04
  Speaker 6: He already... They were off.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: The shoes were off of his car. There's no getting
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: them at that point. Well, in the future, you should
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: try it. They should feel free to also sponsor this.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: You should reach out to them. I'm all for it.
• 13:21
  Speaker 7: They have a virtual car tire thing, so if you
• 13:25
  Speaker 7: get new wheels, you can see how they look on
• 13:29
  Speaker 7: your model.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: Point to them. My screen will touch screen and I
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: can drag them over to my car. Actually, they'll just
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: do it for you. But yes, I presume it is,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: you know, iOS friendly.
• 13:44
  Speaker 6: That made me laugh. Yeah, so I think talking about
• 13:52
  Speaker 6: that subject.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Is pretty interesting. We launched into an idea in the
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: middle of the coffee shop. Now, see, I don't remember
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: what that is. I mean, we've touched on it before,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: but I figure you had a very specific approach you
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: were going on, and I think it kind of spills
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: out into a lot of different areas. So I guess
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. So did you want to
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: talk about you made a trip? You don't have to
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: specifically out which one you went to.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not the fault of that. That's the thing.
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's the fault of that event.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either at this point, actually.
• 14:29
  Speaker 6: It's the fact. fault of the way we consume media,
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: as we were talking about. So we went to a
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: particular convention, and it was fun, you know, and it
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: was really interesting, and yet it still felt like cheap,
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: and it felt like there wasn't a lot of quality
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: items if you had wanted to purchase anything.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Just merchandise is mostly.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: What you're saying?
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: It seems like there were these amazing artists that were
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: cobbled into little tiny corners and then other people that
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: were like, you know, they drew a bad caricature and
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: they had a prime spot. And I'm not saying I don't, like,
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: maybe I don't understand art. Like, that's not what I'm saying.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, technically you are an artist.
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  Speaker 6: Technically I'm an artist. I have a degree, man.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen your art. I've bought your art. You legitimately have.
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  Speaker 6: I do think.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Legitimately.
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  Speaker 6: But it was so weird that it felt like it
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: was like anything. It was like somebody just decided that
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: they wanted to do that convention and they managed to
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: get a spot. And I think that's how it is now.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: And I only know this because someone, again, I feel
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: like I also am semi-qualified to talk about this topic
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: because I spend so much of my freaking time at conventions.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: So over the last, again, the show's year 11 and
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: we were doing it well before that. So the last
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: 15 years, I've gone to a lot of conventions and
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I've watched the whole sort of landscape change. And then
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: how much of it that was already, I mean, it's,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: it has to be set up to be a business
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: just to run, but the entire industry changed as well
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: in that span of time. But I've also, because I'm
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: always at them, I, again, as antisocial as I am,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: eventually I've like met people because of conventions and some
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of them have, I've lured onto the shelf. And the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: other ones we just sort of see on a regular basis.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't even interact. It's just, oh, there's that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: guy again. Hey, there's that guy.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: And there's that guy. Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: It's the third weekend of the month. There's that guy again. So,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: but of the ones that I've actually sat down and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: had on the show before, I don't think they've gone
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: into it on the show, but I know they've run
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: into that same thing because they are massively talented, like ridiculous,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: trained artist, has been doing it for years and years.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: but because the industry became what it is they fight
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: tooth and nail to get in to every convention they
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: go to now because every and again i want to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: support all dorky kids out there that want to create
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: art but every dorky kid that gets a box of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: crayolas and sits there and draws some characters will then
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: rent a table and then go set them up there
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: which i guess is their prerogative if they get but
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: i mean it becomes a game then of like If
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you get the jump and you get in there, you've
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: got that table. And then the super talented artists, this
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: is their living. It's not a side thing you did
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: on the weekend. This is what they do now to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: support themselves and their family. They don't have a table
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: because it's just overwhelming the pop cultural focus on conventions now.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: But is it not like a juried scenario? No. Is
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: it just like if you shell out how much money
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: and get there at first, you can get a table?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Because it started out as a Comic-Con type of thing.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: So everybody there used to just be people selling comic books,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: people selling t-shirts, whatever. So I think the tables go
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: out that same way. It's just you, especially now that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: so much of it is online, I'm sure well beforehand.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of these are booked up like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a year beforehand. So like you go for next year
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and you go, okay, I want this book. size space.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I want to rent this table. I want this and this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And you put your deposit down and you're set. Nobody
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: sees your stuff. Nobody cares what you bring. That's so odd.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: It's shocking to me.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But again, it started as merchandise. So in that time,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: then we have all these like artists that came along,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: but it's all still treated as merchandise, which I guess
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that's still art, isn't it? I mean, it's still all
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: become the big business world, whether you want it to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: be or not. So you just kind of get treated
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like another vendor because you are really.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: Because you're just paying the fee to have the spot. Yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: you're just claiming it's table space. Well, maybe they should
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: have more of a juried scenario.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's a nightmare. Don't get me wrong.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree, but at the same time, then
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it becomes a weird... Because I also.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: You need a whole other layer of bureaucracy to get
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: anything done.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And it also becomes a very political, bullshit, pretentious group
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of artists, I feel. And I say that as you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: well know, the reason I know you're an artist is
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because I started putting together art shows. Because the ones
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that I was going to, I didn't like the way
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: they ran them because it became very weird and artsy
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and kind of snobby about the way they did stuff
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: or they would focus on things other than the art
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: which seemed ridiculous to me so again i became the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: kind of person who was like screw it let's just
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: put our own art show together and found a bunch
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of cool artists and that's what we.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: Were doing so.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: In a way like i respond better to that kind
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of do-it-yourself find.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Some talented people and i do think that there's certainly
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: room for that in that environment. I think it's great
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: to encourage people, and I think that there should be
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: an area where you can do that. But I feel
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: bad when it's like you see an amazing artist, and
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: they're plopped down in a terrible location, and there's somebody
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: that is new.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Or not as evolved or.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Or they have a shitty looking setup. I'm sorry. Like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: that's a real deal thing. Like, if you're doing this professionally,
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: you have to have a good, solid setup.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Setup as far as your display of your work.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: And the argument being, from your perspective, correct me if
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: I'm wrong, is that that is the downfall of the convention.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: That if you're... It's not the artist. Yeah. I mean,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I think everybody should make anything and I think you
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: should get an option.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: To try and show it and get out there. You're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: creating a scenario.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, would you agree that they are providing
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: things for all income levels.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: When you go there? No.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: That's the other thing. If you have a lot of
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: money to spend and you want to spend it on
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: something very nice, then... It's not there. It's not there.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That depends. And this is my... Again, I think it's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a case by case. I think there is a lot
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of stuff that's not. But again, I'm just thinking of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like that person that I was originally talking about. They
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: go there with little cheap prints for $ 10 if that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what you want. And again, that's what a lot of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the kids there have to spend is $ 10, $ 20. Or
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: behind them is the original canvas piece that's several hundred
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: dollars because it should be because it took a hell
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of a lot of work. And so if you get
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the right kind of artist, they realize there are people
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there that are looking to occasionally have that kind of money,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: spend that kind of money. But that's also not the norm. Right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: The bulk of people coming through are going to blow
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: 10 to 20 bucks and that's it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: And I guess the other part of what bothered me
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: about this was there was nothing that was in between
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: that was also quality. So there were very few people
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: creating their own things and not just buying something in
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: bulk and selling it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Again, that's the industry part of it. That, I feel like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't a thing when this started even 20 years ago.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Not that they haven't been doing some sort of Comic-Cons
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: for the last, you know, 40 years or more. I've
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: been to those. Still, these, yeah. But, again, think back
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: how different it was then.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: It wasn't.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Those people that did that, did that that one weekend
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a year because that was their thing. And they may probably,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that was not even their business. This was They have
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a real job and they're just super passionate about this thing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And one weekend a year, I get together with my
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: friends and I set up a table and I sell
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: these things and whatever. But it wasn't like they were
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: buying things in bulk. They were either creating stuff or
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: they were just collectors.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: That accumulated stuff.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: They accumulated all these Star Wars toys that they needed
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: to sell.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: I guess that's kind of my point, if I can
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: just interject, that I'm coming at it from that perspective.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: I grew up with that going to my dad's science
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: fiction conventions from his buddies.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: From the 50s and 60s.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: And all those guys were trading books and they had
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: an art room that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Was dedicated to... Art.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: Like, you know, original pieces that were on display. Not prints.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: Original pieces that were fantastically done.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You're right, and it was one weekend a year. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that's it. And that was it. See you next year.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: And it was a time to shine. Yeah. And also,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: I have to say, this is a little note. Paul
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: still says, it smells like a science fiction convention in here.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, you know it when you smell it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I think we started using the term miasma.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: It's a miasma.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Which I don't think I was familiar with until we
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: started using it. I was like, oh, no, no, you're right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: You're right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: This all makes sense now.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: But it's just interesting to me that that's become, I
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: think in my head, it would be something that you
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: would pursue with such love and passion that you would
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: be like, I made this awesome, whatever.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Some people just want to sell a plastic lightsaber.
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: And then there's just like, you know, your cosplay Instagram stars.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: And it's like, what is that a gig?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be offensive, but it is
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: amazing to me that again, and then less than that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: span in the, Because when we started even going to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: them regularly, nobody cared about cosplay. People would just show
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: up in their costumes, but they weren't professional cosplayers. Right, right.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: They weren't professional. Where in the last 10 years, those
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: guys sometimes get billing on the website above people that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have actually been in film and TV. And I'm like, wait,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is this really the world we're getting to now that
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: cosplay stars are more popular? I don't know if they're
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: more recognized, but are getting more respect and followings than
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: people who have actually done these works that were all
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: there to, in theory, celebrate.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Do they have their own product line? They have sponsors.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: It seems like it would be genius to be able
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: to have your own product line.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: They also sell photos.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all I saw.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of selling photos. I'm like, I don't know
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: who you are. Why do I need this photo of you?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: As sponsored by Booty Sweat. Well, yeah, but I walk
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: past these tables of dorky kids giving them $ 20 for
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a photo, and I'm just like, but... It just doesn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: process to me. But again, I guess for other people,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't process that I gave some director $ 20 or
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: $ 50 or whatever to sign a movie poster. Absolutely. I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: guess it's all wherever you come from in this little game, but... Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It's all relative.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: The real key is that disposable income.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And that happens with Kids, really.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: And they're going to make the choices that they make
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: about whatever inspires them or makes them happy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And that's just the game.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: And people that are in business are in the business
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: of capitalizing on that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And it's been that way since the 50s. Absolutely. That's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: when suddenly we created the teenager and the teenagers had
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: disposable income. And business people have been lining up to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: feed off those kids ever since.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: But I just think that you could do such cool
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: things and you could do such high quality products that
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: would like only advance your cause.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: This, let me throw this out there and I may
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: be half devil that kid, but maybe not. I don't know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Cause it occurred to me as you were saying this,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: like these poor, like really well taught and impressive artists
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: are losing out the dorky kids with markers. But I'm like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: at what point do you have to factor in who's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: willing to fight for it? You know, who's willing to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: be on the ball and kind of scrap to get
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: their table. Yeah. And who are kind of old and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: lazy and don't want to put the work in or
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it's too, I should get, again, it becomes that prestige thing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I am a trained artist and I should be given
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a table. I'm like, well, if this is the system,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you got to show up and you got to, you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: got to get in line at the right time. You
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got to get your money in at the right time.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm like, if this kid cares about it
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: more than you do, this kid gets the table. Like.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: And that's not saying that kid may not be awesome.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And eventually might be. Maybe he's not now, but, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you keep working with your markers. Like, eventually you might
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: get to be as good as the other artist.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe it is another scenario in that maybe the
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: really talented fantasy artists are not going after that market.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's possible. But, I mean, there's, like, neat creative things. But,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, I swear I saw just, like, somebody else's
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: version of like pokemon drawings.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Right yeah so that's i.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Think that's where i mean if you're doing your own
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: thing and it's like a little hit or miss but
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: you still have something clever and cool then that's a
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: whole different thing but when you have somebody that's just
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: copying work yeah that to.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Me but again like some a lot of stuff that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it's rare that i see something And again, this is
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the nature of that kind of show. But it's rare
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that I see 100% original things.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: No, but I mean.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: People will be really talented artists. And then here's a drawing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Here's a painting I did of Captain America from your
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: favorite movie. So I'm like, it's still taking someone else's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: idea and doing a good version, hopefully, of your version
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of how you see it. But again, it's rare. Well,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you're right.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: It's working from a limited vocabulary. You're still continually.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Stealing from somebody else, essentially. Well, yeah, you can't escape that, really.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: But in the confines of it, I mean, there's a
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: difference between your take on Dark Knight doing something and
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: something where you're like, I saw that before. Like, that's
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: its own thing already.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a mass-produced thing.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Versus your individual interpretation.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: I have to share my favorite memory of that event
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: that we went to, and it was... a short in
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: stature Melcore carrying a red American heart association tote.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: No.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: My favorite was.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: That wasn't your favorite.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: No, you missed what my favorite was. There was the,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: like the glorious wonder woman who like is obviously a CrossFitter.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: And she, this guy stopped her to get his photo
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: taken with her. You had gone to the bathroom. Remember
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: I told you about this?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Um, And a Batman walked up and the guy was
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: like asking Batman to take his photo with him. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: I was like, I couldn't like get my phone. I
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: was like, I gotta get this. And Batman would like
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: not break character.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And he was like, no.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: And the guy was like, please.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I've kind of done worse. I've asked the celebrities at
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the table to take my picture with someone else. Because
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I knew, again, I talked to them earlier. At that point,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, Jimmy, take a photo for me.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It's not... I wasn't trying to play a weird game
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of like, this person's more important than you.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: No, no, no, no.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: This was just like in the passing, in passing, in
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: the hall.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: But still, I feel like it's that same game.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: And she was like gorgeous, you know? And this guy
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: was like.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Oh, Wanderer.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: It's a girl.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: And Batman was good. He was like a solid Batman.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: He wasn't like world's shortest Batman that we saw. Because
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: that was my second favorite thing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: World's shortest Melkor.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: We saw tiny Batman. Oh no, overweight, sweaty Batman.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Overweight sweaty Batman is probably not an unlikely thing to
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: see at any convention.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And a cross-dressing Sailor Moon.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, that was great.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He did a good job. One of the ones lately,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: there was a whole lot going on, which was kind
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of cool. But like, yeah, I think we even talked
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: about the one that was like, it was... Two guys
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: had come with this little girl and they had all
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: dressed as princesses. That's cute. And I'm like, that was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: pretty cute. So I'm like, we're getting a lot of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: nobody cares about that stuff. Which is the way it
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: should be at this point. Eventually, the novelty will have
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: worn off, I would hope.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: Have you ever dressed up for a convention?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: For a convention? No, because I have too much other
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: shit to do.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: You have been Han Solo at your art show.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I've done that for two different
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: art shows and after that I realized this is way
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: too much trouble for me already doing too much other
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: work so like if I was just a patron that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: showed up I.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Might think about it you did a good Han Solo
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: that was good.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Even then it's too much trouble that costume's awesome though
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: so you were a good Han Solo you were a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: good Han Solo I did what I could so if.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: You okay so I don't know what I would go
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: as I don't know Tonks Tonks from Harry Potter I
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: would go as Tonks.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: Well I would I would go as the age appropriate
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Indiana Jones See, that was.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: My, yeah, that was my other one that I did.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I showed up as Indiana Jones because I was already,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I already had the hat. But then what
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do over the years because.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Age-appropriate Indiana Jones.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's played him many times over the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: years now, so he continues to be more and more age-appropriate.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to just mix the two at one
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: point and just be like an amalgam of Han Solo
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and Indiana Jones with like a blaster and a whip
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: on each hip and like... the cool like striped pants
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: with the leather jacket like i just want to be
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you know and a hat indiana solo and like it'll
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: indiana solo it's gonna be great so you just wait
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: till i put this together you should do that or
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: or yeah hon jones yeah that sounds like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: A blaxploitation movie on jones.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know i don't know i just think it'd
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: be easy to you know i have a Hufflepuff scarf
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: and a wand so I can.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You're a Hufflepuff. I am a Hufflepuff. Of course you are.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm also a Hufflepuff.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: What are you?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I cast myself. That counts, right? I am the hat.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I decided where I go. I am the hat. I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: am the hat. Oh, man. I'm obviously Ravenclaw.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: So I think this also takes us to the idea
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: of we totally don't consume media like the younger youngins do.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say and what I I remember.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: Because we're still talking about Han Solo.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly and that's a new movie it is but only
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: old people went and saw it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: More than likely I loved it I actually.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Liked it I really enjoyed it I think there's a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: lot of really good stuff going on there it's not
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: perfect but I almost blame the I was just discussing
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this earlier I was like I feel like Ron Howard
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: came in and did a great job but he came
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in on someone else's screenplay. So he still had a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: lot of, again, I feel like they spent way too
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: much time worrying about trying to tie up everything that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: eventually led to a movie we already know instead of
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: just focusing on their own weird adventure. Here's $ 13 million.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Will you make this movie?
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: Damn it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: All right. I guess so. Sure.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Now I like the idea of combining Star Wars into
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: a Arrested Development sort of scenario.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, how are we doing this?
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Because that was Ron Howard. I don't know. I've got
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: to think on that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He just has to narrate Star Wars now. Yeah, he
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: has to narrate Star Wars.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: Changing Han Solo into an Arrested Development scenario.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Is that what you said? All of Star Wars. All
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: of Star Wars. So then Luke decided to go to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Tachi Station and pick up some power conversion. We've got
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to get Ron Howard to narrate Star Wars in a
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: very somber sort of a way. That's brilliant. I like that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Not somber. Not somber at all. Well, not depending on, yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: if we go down the Arrested Development Road, it gets
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a little crazy.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: Luke came home to find that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Aunt Beru was dead. Who wants barbecue? I guess it's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: back to the land speeder.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I can't wait till the days where they can just
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: cut people out of movies and combine them into other
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: movies because that would be fun.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: We can kind of do that now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: We should do that now. We're working on it. Because
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I want that to happen.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: We can make.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Star Wars, the Arrested Development edit.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, why not? I mean, you can, really. It
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just takes a year worth of editing. Brian, get on
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that edit. It takes a lot of work.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: Get on that, Brian.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: I'm doing this.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You got to do that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know how to do that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And then we'll combine the two. I have a computer.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: I can do the audio.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I can use Illustrator and Photoshop.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: Done.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Most of the way there.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: And Fusion 360, somewhat.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: That seems like a lot of work.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: We just need Final Cut Pro and we're in.
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• 38:57
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  Speaker 6: Get out.
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• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 39:08
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• 39:11
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• 39:13
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• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 39:16
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• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I have never seen so many beautiful girls. Dude, you
• 39:22
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• 39:23
  Speaker 6: And Roman's way off since the murders.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hi.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Audrey.
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• 39:30
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• 39:41
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• 39:42
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• 39:54
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• 40:07
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  Speaker 6: It's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
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  Speaker 8: So what were.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: You saying before I totally derailed her?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I do remember discussing a version of this add an
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: episode while we were at a convention but that's what
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was funny was i was like firsthand observing it while
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: we're sitting there this like divide in the generations and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: again we're getting more and more generate again each group
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of kids kind of starts behaving a little differently when
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: it comes to because i've said that for a while
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: it was like to me everybody tries to lump them
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• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and more segmented where it used to be like that, like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Baby boomers were one big 40-year block. Yeah. Whereas by
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the time we got to the Gen X kids, I'm like, okay,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: they're pretty different. But from that point on, I was like,
• 45:25
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• 45:31
  Speaker 1: time you hit millennials, I think there's so many. Even
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the kids coming up now are different than the 2000s kids.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, each group of kids is faster and faster.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: It's changing what that generation is.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: Y and Z are going to have a dinosaur convention.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like we already, yeah. It's like, to me,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the 90s kids were Gen Y, and I guess, I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: don't know, millennials became their own weird thing. No, 90s
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: are in millennial.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: But to me, that's very different. Like, to me, it's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: very different than what the millennials became.
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  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Well, wait, are you talking about kids born in the 90s? Well, see,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I always reference more of what you grew up in. Okay, well,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that's Gen X. Yeah. We're Gen X. But it's not technically, really. Yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: we are. We're Gen X. Everybody tells themselves that. If
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you were in high.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: School or college during the.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: 90s, you're Gen X. I'd say you're still Gen X,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: but I think the kids that came after are like
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: an in-between. See, I think the same thing. Because again,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: they're still separating by the old version from the 40s.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: To me, by the time you hit the 90s, it
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: already hit a different group of kids that had different references,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: different upbringing. And then went on to be different than
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the kids that came in the 2000s.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: So I have a friend, and I've always said this
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: about her, and I said, well, I think she's Y,
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: Generation Y. And you said, oh, she's a millennial. But
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: she doesn't act totally like a millennial.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: She's not us. I think there's an in-between that people
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: don't want to acknowledge. And she's this thing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: In between a Generation X and then a millennial.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: There's a different group there.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: And I do think that there's some kind of different,
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: because she's not like a millennial at all. mostly but
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: she has those tendencies.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Okay but she's not so what were we.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Talking and then the latest batch can't make eye contact
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: they look they're always like.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: They don't need to they got.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: When they're not on the phone they're like on the
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: phone mentally you know.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Well but that was what i that's what i was
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: saying was there was a difference even watching that there
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: because now conventions have taken off way more than they
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: did when it was nothing but old men and gen
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: x kids So now we have all these kids going
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to the shows, but they don't care about the same
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: stuff at conventions that the older generations do.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: We've held on to stuff for longer because we didn't
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: have as much to draw from.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But they also don't, because this is what I brought
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: up on that episode, there's not like a level of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: hero worship that we get into. Because the people standing
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in line at the tables to get somebody... from a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: 70s TV show or an 80s movie to sign stuff
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: were all old people. It was all the Gen X
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: people that were grown up. And then the kids were
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: dressed up in their own costume, sitting over there on
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: their phone, kind of hanging out with their friends or
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: going to the other thing, like the gaming rooms. And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: they're there to kind of create their own experience. They're
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: not there to worry about somebody who did something 30,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: 40 years ago. Yeah. Like, which is what, like, so
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: many of the people that I know go because, oh, this,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you know, celebrity is coming from God knows how long ago.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Or they're, I mean, to me there was a weird, like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: immediacy to what they were there doing. And maybe, I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it would have always been like that
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: if you were a dumb kid. But I feel like
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: it's different. Like, I feel like they could care less
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and probably didn't know who a lot of those people
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: sitting behind the table were. Whereas when I was a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: kid and would have gone to something like that, I
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: would have known everybody. I think it's a disconnect now
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that they're not as concerned about that level of pop culture.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And there's not a hero worship because every kid in
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the world is on their own version of that. Every
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: kid in the world can be on YouTube. Every kid
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in the world is an Instagram star.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: And it's not hard to get the information or the
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: thing you want to get to.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And there's no dividing line. yeah you you can be
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: on the same platform as somebody who has a million
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: followers and is a superstar in that world but you're
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you're just as easily able to upload something as they
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: are yeah which you can't be in a movie like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the movie star sitting at that table over there so.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: It's but i don't think it has to do with
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: that i think it has to do with the The
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: shared experience, right? Like, we would all go to movies.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: We would come home and we would play those movies, right?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And now it's an insular kind of experience.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: We didn't have video games until pretty early in the game. But,
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, Asteroids is not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: They were also not video games.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not going to be like.
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: We were the first generation to have home computers and
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: home computers.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Video games.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you'd play Pac-Man and then you'd be like,
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: I'm going outside.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: But it was a minor distraction. It wasn't a lifestyle. Right, right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, kids growing up now, if you're a gamer,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you are a gamer. Not the same way. No, no, no.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. I mean, I knew a lot of
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: kids that hung out at their arcade, a lot of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: games that played their Atari, but it's not the same
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: setting as gamers are now. Online.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: Playing PUBG that are getting paid.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: That's what kills me. That are getting paid by sponsors.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: People watching them play the game are paying them to
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: watch them play.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Or just giving tips, basically. Like, here's $ 10. Thanks for
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: killing that guy.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me watch you sit in front of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: your computer.
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is we all had this like
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: more shared experience where you had the experience of going
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: to the movie or you went with your family or
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: you went with your friends and you all talked about
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: it later because it was so exciting and you didn't
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: call one. I mean, you did call one another, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: it was more like.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: On a phone on the wall. On a phone on
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the wall.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: And a cord.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: And a cord.
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: With a rotary.
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: Damn it, I missed that number again.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Gotta start over.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: Click. So.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Wait, I have a question.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: Ours is a deeper story.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: You say that it is, but I don't think it's deeper.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: It's deeper. It's a different experience.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: It's a different experience, but I don't mean deeper like, man,
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: it meant a lot. I mean, it's just ingrained in us.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: In a different way.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: It's literally a- I feel like it was not so
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: much a surfacy thing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It was something that we had to work more for.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: We had to work more, yeah.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: Whereas- Now everyone has access to everything at any moment.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: You can think of the most obscure thing that you
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: remember from your childhood and you can be like, I
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: don't know what it's called, but I remember this weird thing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: And you can find it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: I conjured a television show from the early 80s that
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: only had half a season that I loved.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And I found it. I have a lot of those, Zach.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? This has become an ongoing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: game with Jay and I. He'll just mention a toy,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, okay, wait. So it's shaped like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a spaceship, and then you move it, and it goes...
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So we're like pantomiming things. I'm like, yeah, I remember that.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: That's become an ongoing game because we're old guys. This
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: is what we do. I have a question.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: Wait a minute, because I don't want to sound like
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: the old person in the room. I'm not trying to
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: say it was deeper and the days were better. I
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: think it's better what they have now. But we just had,
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, we were like lame, dumb kids. We had nothing.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: We were like pigs and sticks.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: We were cave children, feral cave children.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I think the difference was we also had to kind of,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: to be like this level of geeky, you also had
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to kind of fight your way through it because it
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't cool right whereas now it seems like not that
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: things aren't horrible because you hear terrible things going on
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: in grade schools and high schools across the country and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: world so like it's not like it's really changed but
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: i feel like there is public in general i think
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: there's a little more acceptance for everything as there should
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: be But, like, it was, like, there was no acceptance
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: for anything back then. Or certainly not for the geeky things. Like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: at best.
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: Pop culture has broadened its horizon versus what it was.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: 30 years and especially with kids i think within their
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: groups i feel like it's a little more of like
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: oh you're into that okay all right i'm into this
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: yeah but like it's not as much of a hostile
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: like what do you like that for like it was
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a very hostile environment as i remember being i still
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: think that it probably does but i feel like overall
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: there's there's at least a possibility of people being more
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: accepting now because i do see things that have made
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: their way through not just TV and movies, but just
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: like life in general and lifestyles and everything is like
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a little more acceptable now than it could have ever been.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: So because of that, it's like they're making progress and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: they're doing better than we were. We have broadened ourselves.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: We have broadened the culture in general.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: What were you going to ask us?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask a question.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: So if we were to suddenly pretend as though.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: We are not Gen Xers and we are Generation Y
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: or Z. Or millennial. Second level millennials. Whatever this new
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: phase is.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: What would this podcast be?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: What would we be talking about? Could you imagine? Do
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: millennials even give a rat's ass about podcasts? The only
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: people I know that podcast are old people that are
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: my age. It's like Mark Maron. That's why I asked. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Kids really respond to Marc Maron. They love an old
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: guy with his cats. That's what kids are into.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: That's my favorite.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly my point.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: With a good record collection.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, yes. He's rather, you know. condescending about his.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: As you know as old people are right but.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: You know so so let's say let's say this was
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: three millennials sitting around the microphone no offense millennials if
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: you're listening uh you know what what thank you for
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: finding us by the way and if we were to
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: pigeonhole them into a you know because i think that's
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: what we're doing we're talking about the differences between the
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: generations what What is different about them and their perception.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Of media and what we're doing? Again, there's different levels too.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Are we talking millennials that are like college kids now?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Because that's still technically millennials versus like 10 to 12
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: year olds that are kids coming up that are the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: kid that I was when I was 10 and 12
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: trying to get into pop culture. So I'm like, which
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: level are we talking about?
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Take your pick. Because I feel like.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: The little kids don't even like it's not even on
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the radar what they're into and the life that they're
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: leading like they as usual, like when we were in
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: grade school and high school, like. There was a whole
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: little world going on that adults knew nothing about.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: And didn't really care.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: It's still going on right now. It's just, it's on
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: a level I don't think we can comprehend. Well, no,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I disagree. Well, I mean, the experience that they're having
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: is so different than what we came up with. Absolutely. That,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there's still the basics, you know, social
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: structures going on around it. But I still think there's
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: something going on that we can't even fully comprehend because
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: we weren't immersed in that. Like, we were, as you said,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: we were the first generation who... Got a home computer.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Got to go, like, pick up your Atari at the store. Like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: got a VCR to bring this stuff in. But, like,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: when you're immersed in the internet existing every moment of
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: your life. Yeah. I think it changes everything. Like, everything
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: is accessible to you. And the interaction between kids. is
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: totally different than we could have ever imagined. So again,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: like I just, I just, I'm too dumb to even like,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I'm old and dumb. I can't even fathom what my
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: nephew is going through right now.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: The information available is so amazing. And that like, they
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: probably take it for granted and it's stuff we would
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: have killed for, but it doesn't mean we would have
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: looked up anything smarter. So in that way, they're not,
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: They also don't care. They don't even acknowledge that it's
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: a thing that they have at their fingertips because it's
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: always been there, so it's not a thing. It's just there.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: If people who didn't have libraries... Talked about kids with libraries.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: This library idea is amazing.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: We didn't grow up with that.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I go to the card catalog and I look up
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: anything I want.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: It's a number and it tells me where to go.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So I just flip through the little letters and I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: pull out the card and I take it to the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: old lady with the bun and she gets me the
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: book that I want.
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, imagine the information the kids have these days
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: on their Cuneiform.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's true, though. I mean, think about that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: If you go back several generations before us, that really is.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: An amazing thing. So let me throw out another question.
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: So think about how toys were marketed to our generation
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: in a very targeted and specific manner.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Before you go there. Jamie's getting all
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: riled up.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Hold on.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: Targeted in a specific way and toy manufacturers and the
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: marketing industry knew how to do that.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Do they know how to do it today? I think
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: they totally do. Of course they do. But they're doing
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: it a completely different way. It's different approaches. But again,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: like that level of like greed and industry does not
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: go away. Absolutely. I think it's always been there.
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: But I feel like that piece ties into the convention
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: circuit to bring this full circle.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And that it is definitely feeding itself.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: The snake is eating its own tail yes.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Anyway sorry i was trying to think of a clever
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: ouroboros like.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Don't bother now uh.
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: So did you the story of he-man did you see
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: that documentary.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I know they made it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: It's Totally worth checking out.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: But it's kind of about that same thing.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: I was pre-He-Man, but it was still interesting.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: No, we were He-Man.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: My brother was He-Man.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I was probably too old to be liking He-Man, and
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I did anyway.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Which is the way all of my stuff was.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: Chris had all the He-Man toys.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I was Star Wars, not He-Man.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: And I was the one muscly chick, and I was like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: I want to be built like her.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Teela? Maybe that's weird.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like, she has muscles.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: You want to rock the Teela look. Hell yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: She can run.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: So, toys. Hang on.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Toys, marketing.
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: Toys, marketing. Marketing toys.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Marketing for children. Toys, children.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: So, the thing that killed me, like at this one
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: that we went to, going back to that, there was
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: like a tower of t-shirts, right? And it was just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: like shitty t-shirts. But you could get so lost in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: it that it became like a, well, I like that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: t-shirt because I know that one. You know, so it
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: like even had this weird effect of like being So
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: all-encompassing and overwhelming that finally you saw the thing, the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: touchstone that you knew.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: That was the vodka that they were spraying from the ceiling.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: No, does that not make sense? That was so strange
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: to me. It was a weird experience because I was like,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: look at all this scrap. And then finally I was like, oh, look,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: it's a whatever. I know what that is.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that does that because I think that now, too.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Because I, again, anyone who's been listening, I'm geek enough
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to have had t-shirts back when it was really hard
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to get t-shirts. So I think now, how, I mean,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: does it cheapen whatever the hell this is on your
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: t-shirt when... You can get anything. Like, I mean, literally
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: every dumb pop culture reference, every movie, every video game,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: every whatever, not only is on a t-shirt, but there's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: a weird crossover between two of them on a t-shirt. Like,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: you can get anything.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: We're now post-collector culture.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: And the capitalists are... capitalizing and.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Everything well that's the thing you've gotten to the point
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: where everything can be that like it used to be
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: hard to find like i would have to you know
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: wear a bunch of normal Blank t-shirts. And then one
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: day a week, I'd get to pull out this awesome
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Ark shirt I had.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: One day.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And I'd put that on.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: And you made it last. One day. Yeah, because you
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: wanted it to last. I used to make my own.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: This is what a nerd I was. I used to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: make my own U2 shirts.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: That is nerdy. Shut up.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: It was 1982. I was a young, small child.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Now, I can't totally call you out because I did
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: make it more than one. I definitely made one total
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: movie geek shirt. And then I also started doctoring up
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: other clothes with movie geek stuff. So I'm equally as guilty.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean a Hanes t-shirt and a Sharpie. And
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: you're like kid high when you're using that Sharpie on
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: a t-shirt.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got some puffy things when I did mine.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: They just said U2 on it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just like, they're U2 shirts. You could
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: buy them, but I couldn't find them here. U2. No,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: they were thick. It wasn't like it's just a U
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: and a 2.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: Because I think that would be cool, actually.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: Well, it was, but it was thicker.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: You should have done 2U, and then only the really
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: cool people would have gotten them. Only the ambulance drivers
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: would have said that.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: Such a nerd please edit that part out about what
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: a nerd i am.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: No i don't think so but that's that's what i'm
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: saying though when when it was really hard to get
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: that stuff it kind of put a different spin on
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: it where when you can go to walmart and get
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: any dumb t-shirt or hot topic or like again you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: go to a convention you can get any level of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: weird crossover reference so china again do you feel like
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: we're also kind of cheapening that pop culture experience because
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: if you were a kid in the 80s and you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: walked past another kid who had a dorky t-shirt it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: was like there's one there's one like me like it's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: like he's got a Return of the Jedi shirt too
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: like so like and now you've it was like you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: knew again like you knew your tribe just some random
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: dorky mom somewhere got one because it was at Target
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and it was on sale and she's like I like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: that picture on it and like There's no like attachment
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: to it. There was no like searching for it. There
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: was no like beloved. Oh my God, this is my
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: favorite t-shirt. I identify with pinky and blinky. Exactly. So
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: now it's like, it's just a thing you put on.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: It's like your jeans. You just get up, you get dressed,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you go out into the world and the references don't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: really mean quite the same the way that they used
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: to because now they're so easy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, like you see somebody, this happened, we were watching
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: another documentary and somebody had on a, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what shirt it was. But it was
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: like of a particular era. And it was like, oh, oh,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: they probably got it at Target or something. And it
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: was like you didn't think like, oh, yeah, that's one
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: of my.
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  Speaker 7: Well, they probably also like it from a historical perspective.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: It's probably, yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Like my parents were into this and I like it too.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: Or no, or it's retro.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Or do they? It may be more retro. Yeah, because
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that became the argument for years now because we went
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: on that book. Especially getting into music. Don't wear a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: band t-shirt if you can't actually name more than one
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: song by that band. Because you go to Walmart and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: there's like, I like this look. Everybody wears this pink Floyd.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: All right. I look cool because I'm retro. I'm wearing
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a pink Floyd shirt. Do you know any other songs? Again,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: now as much as everything in the world.
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  Speaker 6: Do you have any Sid Barrett era pink Floyd shirts?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: No, thank you.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: I love Sid Barrett.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Let's not go down that road.
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  Speaker 7: I could only get this ACDC shirt because I saw
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: Maximum Overdrive.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Then you would be hardcore. And people would be like, dude,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: good for you, man. Who made who? That is a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: question that we need to address. What was the song that.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: Was playing when that kid saw that lawnmower eating that guy?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: To me, I like the very subtle reference of a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: giant van that says ACDC being worked into the film.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: As if you're not blaring in the soundtrack, let's also
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: put a real subtle giant logo on the side of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: this van. But that's what I'm saying. What a great movie.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: It is such a.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: We should cover that for an upcoming episode. Oh my God.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I love that movie.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: That's a great idea.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: But the, yeah, I mean, to me that changes everything too.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: When everything is so not just accessible, but like so
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: watered down to the point that people don't even wear
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: it for the reference anymore. It's just a thing. It's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: just a shirt. It's just, and the same thing with
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: kind of the way they treat pop culture. Like, yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: it's a flag. Did you see that thing? Yeah, I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: saw it. It's something to talk about at work. And
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: then you go on, but you don't like attach yourself
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: to it. Like, The fandom geeks kind of do. It's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: just a pop culture reference. It's just something to talk
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: about because everybody at work is talking about it.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: So going back to baristas, one of them said something
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: very interesting to me. They said, we have so much
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: information coming our way. We're all on autopilot. That's the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: only way you can take it all in.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's true.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of true.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Especially, and again, I tried to segment. I'm not. saying
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: anything about up and coming kids, but I'm like, how
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: could you not be like that?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Like we've got a weird perspective because we kind of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: straddle that line of like, we remember when things weren't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: overloaded information wise. You know, we remember when one half
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: hour of the day you watch news or, And that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: was it. Like maybe twice a day. Whereas it's 24-7 now.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of that same thing with like pop culture,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: with all of it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: I imagine that kids growing up in the 50s had
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: the same experience when the 60s happened.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all do that.
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  Speaker 7: It was such a revolution of culture that, you know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: it's like, oh, I don't know what I want to do.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know who I want to be. My parents
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: are stupid. They went to the factory and did exactly
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: what their dad did. But I am different and I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: think about these things.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: And that's very cyclical. I mean, it happened in the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: 80s too.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I think every generation does that. Yeah. But as I said,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: these last 20, 25 years, it's just a domino effect
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of what technology has done to civilization and pop culture
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and all of it that like, I think it's changing
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: even that stuff. Not to mention it's stupefied politics.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going on that road.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we shouldn't.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: All of this is awesome, to think about all the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: information that people have, anything that you want you can access,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: but with great power comes great responsibility. Amen, sister.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: Amen.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, so, you know, there's all these ways that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: it's great and that you look at it and you're like, well, okay, really,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: there's nothing... That's awesome. And nobody's attached to things like
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: we used to be attached to things. They're probably not
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: going to be quoting Star Wars when they're in their 40s.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Good and bad. I brought that up that day too.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: It's also like we almost, because I do bring this up,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: to be as old as I am, I'm at least
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: one of the weird people that I see another side
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: because I see people of my generation as that are
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: way too attached like will not let it go like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can at least appreciate new things
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: yeah where there are so many people that are, nope,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: this is the way I grew up, and this is
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: the way it was in 1982, and I don't like
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: anything changed. I'm comfortable. I mean, I think there is
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: a weird death grip that the Gen X kids had
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: on their pop culture that, like, is almost unhealthy now.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: And I almost, again. Because they're naturally skeptical.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: They're Gen Xers.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: Anything new or that doesn't quite fit into the mold
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: is going to be rejected.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I don't trust it. I don't like it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: It's stupid.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're always like, wait a minute, what?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe you. It's not as good as
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this thing. I read an article in the 90s that said,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: this is all a conspiracy. And they're right. On a black.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: Themed website.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Fox Mulder told me.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: I read letters. Hurt your eyes to read an Angel
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: Fire article.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: So, but yeah, so there we go.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: All the stuff's good.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: You know, you can have all this access to everything.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: But then, like, it's just being used against people politically.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: And also, do people, is it just our parents that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: read things that are like, that must be the truth.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? You'll never believe what happened
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: when this lion cub got eaten by... Or is that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: also something that the generation that's grown up with it.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: That is something I... Again, I constantly say I'm worried
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: for the future.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: Because we are cynical. I mean, that is a defining
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: theme of our generation. We're kind of cynical.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Not like I think the up-and-coming generations are dumb. Quite
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the opposite. They're probably way smarter than I ever knew.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: They are super smart.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: But.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: At the same time, they don't have any perspective because
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: they're immersed in it. So how is it going to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: change when they hit voting age? There's being smart and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: then there's critical thinking.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: There's not a lot of critical thinking.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: No, absolutely.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: And I don't mean that judgmentally or terribly. It's just
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: the way people operate. You can tell that there's not.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: a tremendous amount of critical thinking.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, there's not, there's not enough time for analysis of, Hey, well,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: so-and-so said what, and I don't have enough time to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: really think about this other than to take it at
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: face value. So I'm going to move on with my day.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: And I was seeing that this in the shower this morning,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: it's like, you know, they talk about in this, our
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: public school system locally is, is, so problematic in this
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: way to me, which we won't get onto a political thing,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: but basically in my mind, when I think about it,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: they are not creating critical thinkers. Like when you teach
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: to test to get all your kids to pass a test,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: you're not teaching the kids to think critically.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: You are creating numbers, creating numbers, creating cattle.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: And so do things this way. Cause that's the way
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to do them. This is it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: And this is it. And this is, you know, and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: so it's like, if you don't have that back and forth.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a 1984 scenario.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So that's, I don't mean to be political or insult.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not teachers.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about specifics of that, but
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I always like looking at the big picture. And I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: think these are much better. bigger big questions that we
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: keep asking.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: Microcosm macrocosm scenario that's all I mean about.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: That and if I can tie this to movies somehow sorry.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: Did I go too far out I was not being
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: political again we're doing pop culture so it's all interconnected
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: not really but if I could tie this to movies this.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: Has been touched upon by movies since movies have been
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: made in the next 20 years this is the thing
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: that movies do you know Do you see a world
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: or do you see a movie existing.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Where there are no borders? We are a single world.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: And that this earth that we're creating with instantly accessible
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: information capitalizes on.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Us all being one world.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: Do you feel as though that is a reality in
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: our future?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: No, just because we are too petty animals to be
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: able to be able to embrace. That is so pessimistic, Brian. No,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: it's realistic. I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. I'm realistic. And
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just know the way the human brain
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: operates at this point. Now, it sounds like really nice sci-fi.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: I might like to see this movie where this happens. Right.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: But I just feel that... Again, I think you would
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: have to go thousands and thousands of years into the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: future to maybe get... Look at the way we are.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: It's worse. I'm not disagreeing with you.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: I think that it's worse. I think that.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: We have found new ways to make ourselves more and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: more segmented and more and more disconnected, even though we
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: are massively connected if we want to be.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: But is it possible, is it plausible, that that could
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: just be part of the... learning process that we have
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: to learn through generations through generations of being exposed to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: every possible scenario via internet that you know oh we
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: are one people we all come from the same source I.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: Mean Paul you're Gen X let that go.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: Like all of these ideals I'm playing innocent devil's advocate
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: but that's that's the thing I think they are ideals
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: and we It would be nice.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: To get to that. But again, I just feel like we,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: as the creatures that we are, are so far below
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: that level. We have potential. I'm not saying we are
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: a lost cause. I was afraid that's what you were
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: going to say. But I think it's a ways off.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Maybe these kids coming up, maybe
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: these generations are the ones that will start to see that.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe because they have access to everything.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: I think that's kind of my point.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: Generations have to pass. But, you know, really, if you
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: think about the passage of time and civilizations that have
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: come and gone, that has happened in 4,000 years. That's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: really not that long of a time.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: As far as the planet, no.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: It could be longer, according to the pyramids.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: It's not that.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: Even in the history of humanity, that is not a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: very long time.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: That's my go-to most of the time, especially in these
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: times where people want to be segmented on... whether we
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: should try to save the planet or not. Again, I'm
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: only borrowing from a great learned man, George Carlin, who
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: told us... Don't worry about saving the planet. The planet
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: will be fine.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: As long as we get rid of these humans, the
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: planet will heal itself right up with a couple hundred
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: thousand years and it'll be right back.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: To where it needs to be. It's just a rock
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: floating through space, people.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: We don't need to be on it. It's these idiot
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: people that keep screwing things up. So really, like, that's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: the thing. I'm like, ideally, the planet is a cool
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: thing and like... We created these creatures and everything went
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: wrong at some point. But, you know, ideally, hopefully we
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: and that's the thing I think that might actually change.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: As you're saying with generations, like I said before, the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: generations were like 40 year blocks sometimes of like nothing
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: really changing. And since the 90s, it's domino of technology
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: and experience and knowledge.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: It was okay to hate people for a longer period
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: of time. Then it became not as acceptable to hate.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Wait, what world are you living in now? Hold on
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: a minute. but that's that's that's.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: True there are all these things the acceleration of acceptance
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: culture is keeping pace with the acceleration of technology that's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: yeah and the speed of processors so that's.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: The only thing i'm gonna say that maybe that gives
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a little hope to your theory that maybe because this
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: stuff is changing so much faster now maybe our Stupid knowledge.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: We'll be updated in the next... If we can survive
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: the hump. We'll be dead. If we can survive the hump.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: But these kids coming up, maybe if they can survive
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: our dumb mistakes right now, if they survive past that,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll be smart enough to try to put together
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: a world that's a little better run.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: So if you can upload yourself to a computer eventually,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: which then.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm working on that now.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: Do you lose part of your weird physical things? idea
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: of yourself and become less attached to that and does
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: that make you less.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I think you get to pick your own avatar whoa
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: i think you jumped a step wait now what's happening.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: What if we keep on with technology and people get
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: along and whatever it's like if you could eventually upload
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: yourself to a computer oh yeah but say you.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: Didn't people are working on that right yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: So we're close but.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: Then everybody's avatar would be Super awesome.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Super cool, yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? They
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: really didn't know what each other looked like. But they
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: were interacting. But they were friends. They were friends who
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: had known each other for years, who had interacted on
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: a daily basis. And I'm like, that's the future we're
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: dealing with. That's kind of what I'm getting at. That
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: we don't fully understand, really. Because, again, we came from,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I only know them dumb kids that are in my
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: grade school class. We're kids now.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: We're cave kids.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially, yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were cavemen. To those people, we were cavemen.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: This past week, I was taking a course for work.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And it was an online course.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: I was one of, you know, 20 people yeah from
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: around the world taking this course that blew my mind
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: for the first 15 minutes then you.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Were bored like every other class like oh my god
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: this is the dullest material and then the.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: Next five minutes he said i think that our instructors
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: from baltimore because he sounds like a character from the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: wire of funny observation.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Is he a cop or a criminal? Which side did
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: he fall on?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: He sounded like one of the cops.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: From The Wire. He was one of the cops. But
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just audio. It was video too. He was
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: like a retired cop from The Wire. Is that racist?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Stupid white people.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: I love The Wire.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I think The Wire is great.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: But now it's dated because they used pagers.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: Pagers!
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: You'll have to explain to the kids at home what
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: a pager is. Oh my god.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: Back in 2000 Back in 2000, I was fired by pager.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Were you asking for it?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: All right. That's unfair.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: No, I had a pager then, and when they handed
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: it to me, I was like, what is this? 1978?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: What's next? A CB for my car? Like, it even
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: felt crazy then. I was like, a pager?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Like, in the future? Hey, rubber ducky. Or it already felt...
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: What's your.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: 20, rubber ducky?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: It felt ancient already. I was like, who uses a pager?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Where's my flip phone?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: See, that's one of the things that's weird is, like,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: all of the science fiction that we grew up with
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: has become real. Damn near. I mean, again, we're going
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: by the world of Star Trek and like everybody had
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: a communicator. Is that not? I mean, do we not
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: pull that? Again, we've already outdated that. The flip phone
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: was the closest thing to the Star Trek communicator ever.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: And we've already like, that's old timey now.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like all you need to do is to make
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: your smartphone able to be like beep, beep, beep.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, now we have a tricorder. I mean, this thing
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: that I'm holding now is essentially, it is a magical
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: computer device that you can put any app on and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: it can do whatever the hell you need it to,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: which is what, by next generation, what the tricorder became.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: It was just a weird little computer, which now looks
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: a lot like an iPad. And, like, they carried it
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: around and did whatever the hell they.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: Want with it.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Is that not what everybody does with their cell phone now? So,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, we... In the future, it will be a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: rectangular prism. Mm-hmm. And, you know... It'll be like glass.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: That's it. You can see through it, but yet you
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: can still see buttons.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: In fact, I hope not, because I'll just lose it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: You may not even need to hold it. It may
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: be something that... It'll just be implanted in your head. Yeah,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: as something that you see within your eye, but it's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: not really there, and you just touch, and you.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: poke the air. That'll be the new meme for the future.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: He's poking the air at nothing. I mean, that's... What's
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: he poking about? He's really poking his virtual phone.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: What are you poking about?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: And it'll be retro to talk about poking in Facebook.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's old-timey Facebook. Only grandparents are on Facebook, as
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: we've said.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, I don't want my dad to be on Facebook.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: He'll get himself into trouble.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: We're totally fishy. He's only going to talk.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: To his grandchildren.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: We need to come up with fake book. So it's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: like a Facebook that you can give to your parents
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: or your grandparents.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: So they feel like it.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: So they feel like they're on Facebook and that you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: can like.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean. It only gives them access to their grandchildren
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: and that's it.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: And that's it.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: That's a great idea. And they can't really do anything. Actually,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that's not bad.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: And they can like communicate.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Instead of like. It never gets posted.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: Nobody ever.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: They can't say anything.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Basically, we just need an app. And it's instead of
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: parental settings for your kids, it's parental settings for your
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: parents to not be able to access the real internet
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: or go to real bad scary places. That's genius.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: It really is genius. We just gave it away on
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: the airwaves.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Quick, put this into motion and we'll patent this real quick. Man,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea. No, it's already copyrighted. There, see?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: It's done.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: By stating it, we have just claimed it. This is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: date time stamped. Isn't it? Yes, totally. Because we said
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: we claimed it. It's now February 17th.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: That's how the internet works.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: It's yours until someone steals it from you. Can we
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: take a break for a second? Let's just wrap this
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: one up. What have we learned from this? That conventions
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: are super cool. I think they're fun. And there's lots
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: of hope for the future.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I do think they're fun, and I'd
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: actually like to go to one with you and see
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: it from a different perspective, from a journeyman, a working journeyman.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Mine is not a good way to.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: Journeyman, yeah, good, good word.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I'll be a journeyman, but I don't know that mine's
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: a good perspective to see.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: No, I think it's interesting.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: It's lost all its shine at this point. Level four journeyman.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: And you don't even get to do the functional things
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: that I, like I, the other things that people are
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: there for, I forget is even a thing that happens
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: at the convention. I'm like, oh, I'm going to see this.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're doing that? I'm like, I'm like
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: so like specifically set up for whatever the hell I'm
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: doing that weekend that like, That's the only thing I do.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And to make it happen, that's the only thing I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: can do a lot of times. So I don't even
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: do a convention the way you're supposed to really. I'm
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: certain that we didn't either. You're more than welcome to
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: join in on that.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: We didn't because we were waiting to meet your brother
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: who was supposed to be there like four hours before.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: It's all your brother's fault. It is. It really, it
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: always is. Yeah, I've heard stories. I mean, he's not here,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: so I can blame it on him. He's a good scapegoat.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: He's an escape goat.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: An escaped goat. And that's what you're going to dress
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: as as your next convention. The escaped goat. The escaped
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: goat is going to be your new costume. And then
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: it's going to catch on as such a cool character.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: You're going to get a table. You're going to draw
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: pictures of the orange jumper goat. And you're going to
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: be selling that. And it's going to be original artwork.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: And you're going to be muscling people out of those tables.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: He's only saying this because it's date time stamped.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: Midlife crisis Lara Croft. How about midlife crisis Lara Croft?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Aren't we there? Well, no, they just did the reboot.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I know. The fact that they
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: already had to retire a Lara Croft. Right. She's like
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: James Bond now. It's just like a new Lara Croft. Whatever.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: Roll her out.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: She's got longer shorts now.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: They just didn't want to have to deal with what's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 7: her name.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: She's got camp counselor shorts because she's midlife crisis.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Midlife? She's like, yeah. Angelina's got a lot of medical problems.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have time for this. She's midlife crisis.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, certainly they'd have to pay her five
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: times what they paid that new girl.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: And she'd want to direct it as well.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: Whose British accent is worse? Hers?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Or yours? Right now. Go.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: No, because mine's probably as bad as the next person
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: I'm going to bring up. Blimey.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: They fished a fish out of the tames.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: Or Winona Ryder in Bram Stoker's Dracula.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Don't be talking bad about Minoni.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, I love Winona. But not her accent in that.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: She's great.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: She's a thief. Of my hog garments.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: Oh, I forgot.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: That's a long damn time ago. That's a long time ago.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Only Gen Xers remember that.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I think I was there. That is my only touch
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: point for Winona Ryder.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: I think I lived in LA when that happened.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: That and singles. That's the only thing I remember.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: I think I was there.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: I do believe.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Were you involved? Were you the one actually taking stuff?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: That was actually me.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: I had a short haircut.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: You like, yeah, you like went. Did you stuff it
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: in her purse?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: I went on a rider.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: You were sidling, went on a rider and stuffing things
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: into her purse as she walked along?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: You are a sidler. I can tell. Sidler.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: I'm short. I can't help it.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: All right. So.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: This was very interesting.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: This was quite a span that we've covered. It was
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. From the dawn of time to movies to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: the distant future. I feel... When.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: We're all crap.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: I feel tired.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: In the future, we're all crap.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: I feel spent. Well, we're old people, as we've covered.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: So we're going to be tired and worn out.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: So let me make this final reference.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: But you can say plenty more after this, I'm sure.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: I always talk about... One of my favorite books is
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: The Time.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: Machine, right?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: And I always feel like they talk about the Eloi
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: and the Morlock, right? And so I'll make that reference
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: about people sometimes. It's totally shitty because, of.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Course, I'm an Eloy. But I'll be like, oh, no,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a total Morlock.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: Man, they are total Morlocks. And like with your shades
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: closed in your studio, I'm always like, what are you,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: a Morlock? Yeah.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I'm working. Somebody's got to do all
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: the work to keep this civilization running. I'm going to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: eat as many Eloy as it takes to get the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: job done. Damn, Skippy. I don't want to be an Eloy.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: Wait a minute. So then it gets better. So then
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: I'm like, it'll be just like in the time machine.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: When he goes forward in the future, and there's a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: land of crab people, and then there's two planets, which
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: I can't remember if that's from The Time Machine. This
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: is me getting movies confused. Does that happen in books?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: Does that happen in The Time Machine? Or is that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: in that New Zealand movie?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Old Confused People. That's what we're settling on.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: It's a great movie.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Remember that thing?
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Hang on.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: Wait for it.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: Come on, Moeller.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: I'll find it on my Facebook.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: It's like people... Google it. Thank you, Google.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Hang on.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: So anyway, okay, so I think there's like a.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: It's The Quiet Earth. Is it The Quiet Earth? I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: only know because you referenced it before on the episode.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: I love that movie.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I just went with my best guess based on you. No,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't watch movies. I just sit around talking about
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: society and life. There's a scene at the end where he's.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: Like the last man on earth, right? and and i've.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Seen that one not that one not the movie last
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: man oh damn it there's.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: Like two two suns setting and it's.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 7: Like the end of the world actually i think it's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: jupiter that's setting on the it's jupiter it's a it
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: is a ring no it's a ring planet maybe it's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: saturn anyway you should see it it's actually a very
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 7: good film.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: I'll put it on the list that I will never
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: finish in my life. But it's good to have a...
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: I like having a goal.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: You're a Morlock?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm totally a Morlock.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: I'm an Eloy.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: See, the Eloys just get taken advantage of. I don't
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: look good in those tunics anyway, so.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: At least the Morlocks are toiling and working. And I
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: feel like I get something accomplished.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Morlocks really get shit done. Eloy's just nap all day.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Rants around. Eat grapes and shit.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: My other combined movie scenario with that, right? Are the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: Eloy the actual people on Zardoz? Is that like what
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: happens in Zardoz?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: China, yeah. Now, insert.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: Han Jones.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Into the scenario.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: And scene.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: We has all come full circle. Thank you for coming
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: on this journey. Otherwise, that about does it. We will
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: I've seen the future and it will be.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: I've seen the future and it works.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: If there's life after, we will see. So I can't
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: go like a jerk.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 9: Systematic author of a new class Hollywood conjures images of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: the past New early spirituality that would last I've seen
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 9: the future and it will be.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: I've seen the future and it will be I've seen.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: The future and it works.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Live this life after we will see So I can't
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: go like a jerk Yellow smiley off of me ex
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Like he's drinking seven up I would rather drink six
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: razor blades Razor blades from a paper cup He can't understand,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: I say too tough It's just that I've seen the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: future Boy, it's rough I've seen the future and it
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: will be I've seen the future and it works. There's
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: life after we will see. So you can't go like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: a jerk.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: I've seen the future and it will be.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute. Pretty pony standing on the avenue.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Flashing loaded pistol, too dumb to be true.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: Somebody told him playing cops and robbers was cool.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Would our rap have.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: Been different if we only knew? I've seen the future,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: and it will be. Seen the future, and it works.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: If there's life after, we will see. Don't go out
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: like a jerk.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Systematic overthrow of the underclass Hollywood conscious images of the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: past New early spirituality that will last I'm from.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: The future and will.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Be born I'm from.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: The future and will be born.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: From the future and it will be From the future.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: And it will be I mean, it's been nothing but
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: grandparents for a decade now, so what difference does it make?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: He put the app on there, and so now we'll
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: see if Dad... We've hunted because it'll take him two
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: weeks to figure out that he's not really using it. Right.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: And then we'll have to help him, and then we'll
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: just make everything private.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: And he can't change it. Or use it as your
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: alternate identity and start messing with people. Oh, that's a
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: great idea.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: No, it's horrible. It's my dad we're talking about.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: We can at least change the photo so they can't
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: ID him. They won't let you change the name. Use
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: a fake photo so you can start catfishing people.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: That would never happen, although he's likely to accidentally do.
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  Speaker 1: It to himself. He'll accidentally catfish himself? Yes. Where am
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  Speaker 1: I going to meet you? How much do I bring?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a catch.
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  Speaker 1: I am a catch and a lure. Oh, man.
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