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Jerm Warfare - Sally Beck on the dangers of weight-loss drugs like Ozmepic · UK Column Radio

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So I've been a journalist since 1990, wrote for MSM up until
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2022, then took a break and wrote for the conservative
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women. Just everything I could.
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I started writing for them in 2021, everything I could on the
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COVID narrative, especially I've got a special interest in
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vaccine injury. And so I was waiting for that to
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implode from the get go. And you know, we know it did.
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Then this year in August, the Daily Mail published an article
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of mine looking at people who were vaccine injured in the
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COVID vaccine trials. And I'm just completing a second
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article for them about serious adverse reactions that were
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picked up in the trials but people weren't warned about and
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then went on to develop. So I'm very pleased that, you
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know, mainstream media is now addressing the issues that we
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have been discussing for the last five years.
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Yeah, I mean on that, knowing what you know now and seeing
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what you've seen, would you want to go back to 20190?
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God, what a question. I mean, you know, the way that
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our lives are being manipulated. If we had forewarning of that.
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And, and I did feel that I didn't know how bad it would
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get, but I felt it would get bad right from the word go.
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Yes, I'd love to go back and see if we could stop the juggernaut
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before it started. And you know, we're still
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probably only at 20% of people who really have looked at in
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depth into what's been going on. And 80% of people just think
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this was all very unfortunate and that the governments are
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taking action to protect us from it ever happening again, which
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is kind of depressing really. I don't know about you, but the
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whole event of the last five years or so has forced me to
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rethink so much of what I thought I knew about everything.
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Absolutely. From banking to our birth
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certificates to the secret societies that we never really
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took very seriously. We all knew about the Masons,
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but Skull and Bones and Bilderberg and you know, all
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those other societies, we all talk about they.
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You know, no one's ever mentioned they to us, but
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somehow we're all talking about they all the time.
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We don't really know who they are.
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I think you actually did a very good interview with somebody who
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talks about the Black Nobility. France's leader.
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Yeah, that was fascinating and, you know, was a great window
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into who they possibly are. But what we do know is that we
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are losing our property, our savings, our money, our land.
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Somebody's getting it. It's not.
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I think it was Jessica Hockett, I don't know if you know who.
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She's done some fantastic work on the the hospital data,
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particularly in the New York hospitals.
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And she said on my show, she said in 2020, she started off by
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looking at the hospital data and she's found herself asking now,
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did man really land on the moon? And I think that perfectly
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summarizes where so many of us are now at.
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Yeah, and 911, you know, was behind who was really behind 911
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And when, when you've you've got, you know, Charlie Sheen,
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the actor questioning 911, I think there is some hope.
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Yes, we've got. No way to go Jim Carrey.
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Jim Carrey is fairly anti vaccine.
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Yeah, and that's because his girlfriend's son developed
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autism after the MMR. So I came to vaccine injury
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through doctor Andrew Wakefield back in 1998.
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And his paper came out two months before my daughter was
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born. So it was a really hot topic of
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conversation and one I obviously had to research.
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And I started out by thinking, oh, my goodness, two months old
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to inject a baby. It seems too young.
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And I went from that to deciding not to vaccinate at all.
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And that was thanks to two doctors, one who was in my
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National Childhood Birth Trust group, which is a, it's called
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the NCT in England. And it basically explains what
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happens when you give birth. And, you know, it's for people
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who are interested in natural births as well.
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And she was a young doctor and she'd been doing her own
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research and she'd come to the conclusion that she wasn't
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vaccinating her daughter at all. And then my GP just happened to
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be a doctor called Doctor Jane Donegan, which is a complete
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coincidence. Jane has now been struck off
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like any doctor, speaking out against vaccination.
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But she decided to do her own research when Andrew Wakefield's
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paper came out and when, after she'd done her own research, she
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decided she was never going to give anyone a vaccine ever
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again. So it was very interesting the
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route to coming to all this. And that was a, that was, you
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know, that was my introduction really to the way that we are
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manipulated by those who have more power than us, those who
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have more money than us, really. The Segway, yeah, is quite easy
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because we're talking about pharmaceuticals and you've done
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some very, very fascinating deep dives into weight loss drugs.
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And I mean, in particular Ozempic.
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And this is for me also quite personal because I have a family
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member that's been taking Ozempic to lose weight.
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And my, my personal view, Sally, is that you can solve all these
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things with diet and, and, and fitness.
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You don't need to take drugs. I mean, I mean, I, I don't know
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if you know Tim Knox, but I mean, I've, I've had many shows
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with, with, with Prof Tim Knox. He's one of the greatest sports
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scientists in the world. And one of his big focuses is of
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course, diet, nutrition, diabetes and that sort of thing.
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And and Ozempic is effectively a diabetes drug, isn't it?
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Yeah. So it's given to people to help
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control their insulin, and it has a side effect of weight
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loss. But what they don't tell you is
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that the weight is mostly bone and muscle.
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And when you stop taking the drug, the fat goes back on, but
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the bone and muscle doesn't return.
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And this is a real problem. And there was a study that we
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discovered 70% of people taking weight loss drugs in the UK come
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off them within two years simply because of the side effects.
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And they're not being deprescribed by the doctor.
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It's just the patient thinks I just can't do this anymore.
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But it's interesting what you say about diets because I've had
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to review everything I thought I knew about diets since I was
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diagnosed with a thyroid issue about 2 1/2 years ago.
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And I've always been someone who cooked food from scratch, was
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very keen on fresh food, didn't eat too much junk, but I always
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had, I always felt I really need to lose a stone.
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I really, you know, why can't I lose a stone?
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And it was because I had a thyroid issue.
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But what you what won't find from the doctor, even if you are
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somebody who wants to change your diet to control your
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diabetes, you have to start looking at keto.
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And doctors know very little about nutrition #1 because
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they're not taught it. And #2 governments have told us
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that a diet high in carbs, as long as we've got 5 fruit and
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veg a day is is really good. And actually it doesn't work.
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So I lost I think 9 kilos, which is about £20, just by cutting
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out. And it sounds like a lot to cut
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out actually. And it is a lot to cut out.
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It's not easy. Gluten, dairy and dairy because
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of the toxins in the dairy, not because dairy's not good for
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you. But if you can get decent dairy,
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dairy's one to keep because it's high in fat.
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Yeah. Unpasteurized, high fat.
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Don't get skimmed. Low fat, just full fat grains,
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including rice, legumes, you know, chickpeas, lentils, sugar
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obviously as Sugar's an obvious one and and that goes with
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alcohol and that's always a tough one for people and it was
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a really tough one for me, I have to tell you.
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But top tip, tequila is a very pure alcohol.
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Yes, so. And and so are some whiskeys, I
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believe. Yeah, and so whisk, you know, I
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was doing whiskey and lime for a while and tequila shots for a
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while. But yeah, I I managed to lose
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the weight and although I am not strict with that diet anymore.
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Oh, I forgot to say up your fat. So animal fat beef, beef
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dripping lard, butter sparingly, but also good ghee.
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No seed oils. Obviously you can cook with
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coconut oil, but they don't recommend cooking with olive oil
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I don't think anymore. No, but there is a little bit of
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a myth I think around olive oil and the heating of it.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion, but my understanding
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which which could be wrong is is that you have to you have to
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increase olive oil's heat to a level that is not really
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possible on a home kitchen setup.
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It has to. It can only be heated to some
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ridiculous amount in a commercial setup or industrial
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setup. Well, that's good to know
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because you know, and, but also be careful with the olive oil
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you buy because quite a lot of it has something called pomace
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added and pomace is the sort of diluted version of olive oil
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junk. Sorry, that's not very
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technical, but you really need extra virgin olive oil and you
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need to know it's actually genuine extra virgin olive oil.
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I mean, I don't know if you have in South Africa blue band
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margarine. I'm not sure about the brand.
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So they sell it here in tubs and I'm in Tanzania and they sell it
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here in tubs. You don't have to keep it in the
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fridge. It's basically plastic in a tub
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and. Did you say margarine?
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Yeah. And you, you it, it, it just
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doesn't need to be kept in a fridge.
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And we have temperatures that only really go as low as 27, I'd
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say, and as high as 34 would be maximum.
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But to have a product that you spread on your bread that
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doesn't need to be kept in the fridge, What on earth is in it?
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
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Sally, before we get caught up in diet, would you mind just
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quickly telling me about how drugs like Ozempic work?
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Like what is the? What is the mechanism?
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So it mimics A hormone called GLP, one which has the effect of
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helping you digest your food and the most important thing is
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helping you to feel full. And so that's that.
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Those are the two basic things. And it helps to regulate your
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insulin levels. So those are the basic, those
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are the basic mechanisms. It doesn't.
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Sound bad? It doesn't sound bad.
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However, it's a cocktail of it's, it's, it's not the
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hormone, it's a cocktail of synthetic drugs that have
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caused. I'd looked this morning and I
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think we're up to 111 deaths in the UK and I think, let me just
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quickly check in the US, the US, sorry.
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The US is 162 since it was associated with weight loss
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drugs. That's since 2018, but 1039
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since 2013, since those drugs have been on the market.
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Sure. So you know, in the scheme of
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things is that a lot of death know when you consider the
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population of the UK 68 million and USI don't know exactly, but
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it's 300 and something million. So these aren't these aren't
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large numbers, but they're horrible deaths.
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I mean you can. Hypoglycemic shock and coma.
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You've you've you've written about.
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Yes, and also, you know, people have had to have their bowel
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removed, pancreatitis, which can be fatal aspiration, so you
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inhale liquid into your lungs. You, you know, really horrible
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death. One lady collapsed, frothing
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brown gunk from her mouth. She died.
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But the sad thing is, I think most people who are using it for
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weight loss, you know, they want to get slim for their daughter's
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wedding or there's an occasion or they've just struggled.
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But there was there was an actress in the US who had a bad
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experience with one of the weight loss drugs and she said,
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you know, I'm a Doritos and onion dip kind of gal.
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Well, and this is the problem that people don't realise how
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toxic junk food is and you know how it upsets your equilibrium
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and also even trying to eat healthily, you know, trying to
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get food that's not sprayed to death with pesticides is also
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difficult. So we are in a, a situation
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where even if, you know, like me, you, you were sort of
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following what you thought were, was a good dietary, good dietary
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guidelines. I was still struggling.
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And you know, I talked to so many people.
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I mean, Sharon Osbourne is a classical example of somebody
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who is not interested in controlling her weight other
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than using intervention. So she's had a gastric band,
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she's used Ozempic and she looks gaunt these days.
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And she's saying that she's, she's not really quite sure the
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doctors can't work out why she can't put weight back on.
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So these drugs can be, you know, they can be dangerous.
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But The thing is though, I mean, there's one.
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Thing. Sorry gem.
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Yes, go on, go on, go on. I forgot about thyroid cancer.
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And frankly, your thyroid is such an important organ in your
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body or gland in your body. It's like the control centre for
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your body temperature, heart rate, how you digest your food.
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And to be giving somebody that can cause thyroid cancer is
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frankly really shocking. But the thing now about thyroid
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itself is that it seems to also be a bit of a a pop talking
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point. Somebody is fat and they go,
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it's because I've got a thyroid issue.
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And so now, suddenly diet no longer matters.
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Is now all to do with the thyroid?
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Well, there's an easy test that you can do to check your levels
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of TSH 234 and it's a blood test and it will show you if your
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thyroid is overactive, if your thyroid is under active.
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Also if you check your autoimmune for autoimmune, you
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could have Hashimoto's which is under active thyroid or Graves
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which is overactive and it's more common to have under
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active. And it's one in 20 of us
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apparently and eight times more women than men.
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Now I was, before I was diagnosed, I was constantly
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getting a fluttering in my throat and I was thinking, you
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know, why am I feeling and, and, and, and that can be related to
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sort of anxiety. And you know, if if you're
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feeling nervous about something else, I'm thinking, why is am I
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suddenly feeling nervous and why am I suddenly so anxious?
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And I couldn't really get on top of it, although I'm a great fan
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of homeopathy and use it for most things.
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You know, it would die down for a while and then it would come
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back. But it wasn't until I had that
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diagnosis of thyroid issue. And that was made by Doctor
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Sarah Mayhill, who I don't know if you've come across.
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She's also been struck off for prescribing too many vitamins is
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I think she went through 38 General Medical Council
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investigations and, and she she. Yeah, exactly.
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And she's written a book, I'm paraphrasing, but it's something
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like here's how to treat your thyroid because your doctor
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won't. So, you know, and the first
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thing she did was took my pulse, slow heart rate, body
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temperature, low body temperature.
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I, you know, I do find it difficult to regulate my body
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temperature. And then when I changed the
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diet, you know, a lot of things changed.
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Actually, a lot of people have fatigue, which is something I
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didn't have. So, you know, it made me
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question whether it was thyroid, but the treatment for thyroid
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seemed to work or the natural treatment.
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But I mean, it doesn't take a genius to know that if you're
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consuming bad food, your system is not going to do very well
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after a while. No, but people don't know what
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bad food is anymore. You know, people who've grown up
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with McDonald's, people who've grown up with Pringles and
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Doritos and crisps and. Oh, the tested 1 sugar free.
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Yes, classics, sugar free. Yes, exactly.
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And people don't know that people have been brought up low
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fat is good, you know, low fat products in the supermarket.
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And and people think if I'm eating low fat, I'm eating
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healthily. Whereas they think if I have an
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avocado, which is really high in calories and I have olive oil,
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which is also really high in calories, that's going to make
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me put on weight. And I definitely should be
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avoiding butter and animal fats as well so people don't know and
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they're not being told. More importantly.
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So I mean, it always comes back to the basics, you know, it's
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what our grandparents did. Absolutely.
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If you think about, I mean what my mum grew up in the war, she
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was 8 years old I think, when the war finished and rationing
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during the war where you had very little sugar, not much
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meat. Those that generation are the
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last generation who have increased their longevity.
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And I often used to have this discussion with my mum who was
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actually a school meals organizer.
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So she was in charge of what children used to eat in schools.
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And long before Jamie Oliver here, she was saying that, you
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know, food at school should be a good experience.
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It should be well cooked. It should be part of the
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education, and children should enjoy school food.
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It shouldn't be something that they dread.
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But yeah, so her generation are the last ones to outlive us, I
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think longevity wise. And I think diet was probably
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quite a big part of that. The scary thing though, Sally,
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is how people have become so dependent on treating the
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symptoms and not the root cause. I think you, you wrote here
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around 2% of the US population is now on prescription drugs to
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lose weight. That is, that's treating the
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symptom. That's not treating the cause.
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The cause is, look at what you're eating.
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Look at what's on your plate. Exactly that.
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But we have grown up in a medicalised society that only
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only controls the symptoms. It it doesn't get to the root
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cause. And if doctors, you know, wake
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up to that fact, like Doctor Sarah Myhill, Dr. Jane Donegan,
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look what happens to them. You know, they lose their
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license because it's so ingrained in our society that
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drugs are our saviour. I mean, we have a there's a
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doctor called Doctor Neil Stone who posts on all the time.
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He drives me crazy. He drives me crazy too.
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And you know, I'm always commenting on his posts, but
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he's absolutely, totally convinced that he's working in
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this amazing system, that we're only alive because of
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vaccination. Forget the fact that vaccines
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have only really been around for 100 years and we've been around
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for 200,000. You know what kept us alive
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then? You know all these things are
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nonsense and logically make zero sense.
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If you sit down and think logically about any of it, none
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of it makes any sense. No, it doesn't.
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And also if you if you kind of if you kind of disconnect the
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Pharmaceutical industry with, I don't know, well-being and see
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them purely as companies that are making products for a
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profit. All right.
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So what is the difference ultimately between Pfizer and
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Samsung? There's no difference.
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They're both, yeah, they're both companies making a product and
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they're selling you the product and they're giving you a reason
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to buy the product. Exactly that.
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And, you know, once drug companies became public limited
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companies and they have to keep coming up with a blockbuster
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drug that's going to keep them afloat because I don't know how
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long their patents last, But drugs come off patent so that
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everybody gets to access them. Not, you know, so paracetamol's
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off patent, ivermectin's off patent.
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You know, all these drugs are off patent.
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So they have to keep coming up with blockbuster drugs all the
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time and I can't remember the exact numbers but I think Nova
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Nordisk are in line to make 3 trillion from their weight loss
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drugs. They So they're the ones who
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made Ozempic. Yeah, so there's Ozempic,
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Mamjaro. So it's Nova, Nordisk and Eli
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Lilly who are the main players on weight loss drugs.
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And there is about 5 or 6 different weight loss trunks.
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And the most common ones that we know are Zenpic, Manjaro,
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Wigevi, Saxenda and I can't remember the others but those
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are the main ones. In your in one of your articles,
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you mentioned a number of celebrities that promote these
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drugs. And that's a major, major issue
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for me because celebs never seem to get this right.
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They always seem to side with the wrong side of history.
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Yeah, I mean, think of the number of celebs who were
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promoting COVID vaccines. Yes.
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And I don't. Know why that is though, Sally?
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Why do you think that is? I don't know.
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I mean, I always had a lot of respect for Helen Mirren and she
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said that she learnt in the early days to live on lentils
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and, and nothing so that she would never have to take a job
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where she felt compromised. But I'm sure Sharon Osbourne is
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mentioning that she's taking Ozempic in order to get free
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Ozempic prescriptions and, you know, possibly paid for saying
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it. So it's a kind of endorsement.
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There's something interesting also.
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Ozempic is a prescription drug that should already be
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signalling your alarm bells. Yes.
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And as a prescription drug, you know, you're not allowed to.
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Doctors aren't allowed to prescribe it to anyone who's got
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ABMI under 30. But then it's available online
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through private pharmacies, so people can just buy it.
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And that's that can cause a problem because number one,
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you're not entirely sure what's in the drugs that you're buying.
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So a lot of them are cut with amphetamine and, and taking an
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amphetamine will have the same effect as making you lose your
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appetite, but it will just, you know, make you give to you that
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horrible speedy sensation. Some people like that as a
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recreational drug, but yeah. I mean, I mean, if you, I mean,
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I'm thinking of my, of my family member who, who takes Ozempic to
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lose his appetite. It's so easy.
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Have a big plate of bacon and eggs in the morning that's been
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fried in lot of butter and have coffee if you want.
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That's you've ground your own beans and you've added cream to
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it. I promise you, you're not going
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to. You're not going to be hungry
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for the rest of the day. 100%, 100%.
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And you know, that was one thing I really noticed when I was
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doing the the well I did Paleo keto, not not just keto.
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So. Paleo so you so you had a few,
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you had a few vegetables in it. No.
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So Paleo as in meat, keto as in, you know, basically.
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OK. All right.
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OK, OK. And yeah, and it it took
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probably a week or so, but I totally stopped thinking about
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food and the the weight came, you know, really came off very
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quickly. And you know, you might notice
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I'm over 40 and you, don't you? Don't look at.
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Once you get over 40, it's it is more difficult to lose weight.
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But seriously, I dropped a dress size and you know, you would be
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thinking at my age you will be increasing in dress size.
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So that was that was amazing. As you know, I was recently in
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China and something that is almost impossible to do there is
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ketogenic unless you're, I don't know, unless you really, really
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know, you know, the shops and all that kind of stuff because
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they are typically Asian and they eat large amounts of
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noodles and rice. But here's what's so weird to
31:48
me, Sally and I, I mentioned this to Tim Noakes also and to
31:52
Zoe Harcombe, his, his work is fantastic.
31:57
You don't see many fat women in China.
32:02
And I say fat woman because that is a very specific observation.
32:06
You don't see that many fat men either, but you do you see more
32:10
fat men. But the point is, is that you
32:12
see very few fat women in China, and yet they eat these high
32:18
starch diets. And it's something that doesn't
32:21
compute. I can't quite wrap men around.
32:23
And what Tim has argued is that it's because they also have a, a
32:27
genetic history that might be more accustomed to, say, us, you
32:32
know, in more Westernized countries.
32:36
Well, this is true. And we, I ran a doctor's
32:40
conference here with the American organization Freedom
32:48
Healthcare, and we had, I've forgotten it.
32:53
We had Sally Fallon Morel from Western Price.
32:58
We had the father of the vegan diet.
33:03
And those two were very interesting because Western
33:07
Price is obviously all about high dairy.
33:11
Yeah, but they were showing us pictures of these this, you
33:14
know, the reason they come to the high dairy was because these
33:17
villages in the Swiss Alps, you know, live mostly on dairy.
33:21
And look how healthy they were and what amazing teeth they had,
33:24
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The other guy, Colin T Campbell.
33:31
That's his name. Yes, yes, he's quite, he's quite
33:33
well known for the whole that whole vegan.
33:37
Yeah, and he and he came to the conclusion that vegan diet is
33:40
great because of China. Yeah, he did the China study, I
33:44
think. Yeah, sorry for interrupting.
33:46
Yeah, no, exactly. You're right.
33:47
So you did the China study. So that got me to thinking,
33:52
well, look, come on, you both can't be right.
33:57
You know it, can't, You know it. So what is the factor that we're
34:02
missing here? And it may well be genetics.
34:05
It may well be that if you talk to quantum biologists, you know,
34:11
they are, they say that you should really only eat food that
34:17
is indigenous to where you live because your body is used to and
34:24
and that's how you've developed and et cetera, et cetera.
34:29
So there is an element that we're missing somewhere.
34:32
And so it's not all about calories.
34:34
It's not all about vegan or vegetarian or carnival.
34:39
Or something else. But they also use chopsticks.
34:42
And I mean, I don't know if you've eaten with chopsticks,
34:44
but you you can't really do very well with chopsticks.
34:47
No, they do better than us for sure.
34:49
I don't know how they do the rice.
34:51
I mean, I never get rice in my mouth with chopsticks.
34:54
Yeah, but I mean, that's what I'm saying is that you end up
34:56
eating less food. Yeah, maybe that and eat slower,
35:01
potentially. Funnily enough, in Tanzania you
35:06
rarely see a fat man. Rarely.
35:09
And then really their their their diet the same lots of
35:12
rice, you know that rice is the staple, but you see far more fat
35:17
women. But I think that's also a
35:21
visually appealing, you know, it's, it's part of the culture
35:27
and. African culture, yeah, but
35:29
something that that really red pulled me quite a quite a large
35:34
amount a number of years ago about staple foods in Africa
35:39
particularly was remember the book Why We Get Fat?
35:45
What's his name? And he also wrote Good Calories,
35:51
Bad Calories. I've now gone blank.
35:55
Yeah, I can't think either. Shall I have a quick Google?
36:00
Let me just quickly check because it's going to bug me
36:02
now. I'll tell you now why we get fed
36:07
by Gary Taubes. OK.
36:14
And he's written incredible deep dives on rice and staple foods.
36:23
And because he, he was trying to answer the question why in so
36:26
many African villages that are poverty stricken, do you see so
36:31
much obesity? And he was linking it to, to the
36:36
staple foods that tend to get dropped by UN airplanes and that
36:39
sort of thing, which is, you know, high starch, you know, big
36:44
bags of starch, basically grains and that kind of thing.
36:47
And that does feedback into what you were talking about earlier
36:52
that that, that these things are not necessarily good for you.
36:56
I'm just going to leave out Asia for now because I don't
36:58
understand. There's something going, there's
37:00
something else happening there, which, which I don't know, it
37:03
might have to do with the purity of the of the grain, I don't
37:06
know. But by and large, the
37:10
observation is exactly what you've been saying.
37:14
Yeah. And so I think we don't really
37:16
know, we, we haven't really unravelled all the mysteries of
37:20
diet and calories and what makes us thin, what makes us fat.
37:24
We have, we, we do know that, you know, if you live on Haribos
37:28
and baguettes, you'll, you'll probably be quite large.
37:38
But in France, for example, I had a friend who lived in France
37:43
as a child and she said that the mums used to come to school with
37:49
a chocolate bar inside a baguette as a afternoon snack.
37:55
I don't know, I just don't, but. The French are not very thin
37:58
anymore, no. Not anymore, no.
38:01
But I mean, you know, we were all pretty thin in the 70s.
38:04
To be fair. If you go back and look at
38:06
pictures from the 70s, yes. And McDonald's had only just
38:13
been introduced, I think it was mid 70s.
38:19
It was, it got introduced. And I wonder how much fast food
38:24
has got to do with the obesity crisis that we have now.
38:29
Yeah. I mean both Knox and Harcombe
38:32
have said that a lot of that started changing due to that
38:37
study by Ansel Keys. The the cholesterol hypothesis
38:41
that you create, what did you call it?
38:43
I can forget now, but it had to do with cholesterol, high
38:45
cholesterol and and all that sort of thing, which of course
38:48
we know is also now it's not correct.
38:52
Cholesterol is not something that you should be worried
38:55
about. No, because Zoe did a brilliant
38:58
term. She did her PhD in at
39:00
cholesterol, didn't she? And she found that the those
39:04
with the highest cholesterol had the lowest heart disease.
39:08
And Patrick Holford, who is very interested in diet and brain
39:15
function, you know, he will tell you how vital cholesterol is to
39:21
a healthy brain because our brain is mostly fat.
39:25
So if you think about it, that makes total common sense.
39:30
I mean, one of your articles that you wrote you, I mean,
39:33
this, this is certainly not, not in any way appealing.
39:36
I mean, yeah, you have a 45 year old woman who choked on her own
39:39
vomit. 23 year old man who died from Vomiting, nausea and rapid
39:44
heart rate A 56 year old mom died of gastrointestinal
39:48
intestinal illness with constant vomiting and diarrhea of a five
39:52
months so she could lose weight for her daughter's wedding.
39:57
These are side effects and and as far as I can tell, you don't
40:03
get those side effects from having a steak.
40:08
Well, I'm sure Bill Gates will be able to tell us why that's
40:11
not correct at some point, but of course you don't.
40:15
But the interesting thing is that Lottie Moss, who was who's
40:20
Kate Moss's little sister, she had a seizure taking Ozempic and
40:28
was admitted to hospital. I mean, she wouldn't have been
40:32
fat in any way, shape or form. But the modelling industry is
40:36
brutal when it comes to what you can be a size 2 and be too fat
40:41
to model. You've got to be a size 0.
40:43
So yeah, that that's something that you don't know.
40:50
But with anything, you know, with any blockbuster drug,
40:54
you're you're going to get people thinking, well, how do we
40:58
make this ourselves? And we can sell it on the black
41:01
market and that's going to cause additional problems.
41:07
As if the, the, the one the you know, the drug isn't bad enough
41:12
itself. All those side effects are
41:15
actually in the public information leaflet.
41:18
But I bet it's not something your doctor tells you about.
41:22
Now, despite all the criticisms and all the negative press he's
41:29
been getting, Bobby Kennedy has spoken out against these drugs.
41:36
Yeah. And he made the perfect common
41:40
sense observation that you could provide every family in the US
41:48
with three organic meals a day, nutritious organic meals a day
41:52
for less than you will be prescribing, paying to prescribe
41:57
as MPIC. Wow.
42:01
I mean, that's huge and it just falls on deaf ears.
42:05
It's incredible. I mean, so somebody listening to
42:11
our conversation Sally and going, OK, all right, I get it,
42:16
drugs are not a good idea to help me lose weight and I want
42:19
to lose weight. What would you say are the
42:24
things that people should consider I.
42:27
Definitely consider paleo keto diet.
42:31
Doctor Sarah Cerami Hill's written a book about it.
42:34
It's all there. Documented keto diet as well.
42:39
Think about cutting out carbs, you know, gluten, definitely
42:44
grains, legumes, remove those from your diet, up your fat
42:50
levels. Avocados are lovely, butter's
42:56
lovely, You know, frying stuff in beef, dripping, eating meat
43:02
and fish. I've never tried the carnivore
43:07
diet but it really suits some people.
43:11
It's boring. Yeah, it's boring.
43:14
And I like vegetables and fruit. You know, fruit has had does
43:19
have a lot of sugar, but it's also got a lot of good stuff in
43:22
it as well. But you know, if you want to
43:25
lose weight, stick with berries, strawberries, blueberries,
43:29
raspberries, whatever berries you can get your hands on.
43:33
And it it definitely works. It definitely works.
43:37
You do not need to take a weight loss drug.
43:40
Also check your thyroid function, especially if you're
43:43
feeling that sort of fluttering in your throat.
43:46
Other signs are that your voice changes, it might get a bit
43:51
deeper because there's, if your thyroid's a bit swollen, it puts
43:57
pressure on your vocal cords. Or you can come to our thyroid
44:03
retreat. So I've just launched, you know,
44:08
I'm, I really like highlighting what's going on, but I'm also
44:12
very focused on building the new.
44:16
And I think we need new systems, we need new healthcare systems,
44:19
we need also we need new banking systems.
44:22
Everything needs to be renewed. And as part of my small
44:26
contribution to building the new, I have launched 2 health
44:33
retreats. The first is for the chronic
44:36
illness of thyroid dysfunction and people are very wary of when
44:46
they've got a serious diagnosis and that is can be a serious
44:48
diagnosis. I think people are wary of of
44:52
looking for alternatives. But if you come to our thyroid
44:56
retreat, you'll learn about all the alternatives.
44:59
No one's going to force you to to stop taking your medication,
45:04
but you can learn. Is it a physical?
45:06
Sorry, is it, is it a physical retreat like a physical location
45:09
or is it online? In person at a beautiful
45:13
boutique hotel in Zanzibar. So it you know, it's a natural
45:19
healing vibe, very experienced practitioner, excellent food.
45:26
So you know, we'll cater for people with thyroid issues, you
45:31
with the diet that suits people with thyroid issues.
45:34
And the one thing that people do not ever consider when they
45:41
develop a a chronic illness is what are the emotional issues
45:45
that go on, go go together with my chronic illness and with
45:52
thyroid, there's a lot of you feel like you're being silenced,
45:58
your voice is being crushed, your creativity is being
46:02
crushed, you're not being heard or maybe you're trying to be
46:06
heard too much. So those are the emotional
46:11
issues that can go along with thyroid issues and we we talk
46:15
about those and how to deal with those.
46:18
And that's a very important part of getting well from it.
46:21
Any illness, I don't know if you know this gem, but for men with
46:26
prostate issues, Louise Hay, who wrote a book called You Can Heal
46:32
Your Life, and she traced the emotional roots for all
46:37
illnesses. And her prostate comes down to
46:41
feeling like you've failed in business or in the workplace in
46:46
some ways, which is interesting. And people who develop cancer
46:53
tend to be very accommodating, you know, never putting
46:59
themselves first, always making room for other people and not
47:03
really for themselves. So there there is, there have
47:08
been some very serious studies looking at emotional issues
47:13
causing physical problems and I think the main one is heart
47:17
issues go along with being very angry or can do.
47:25
What's interesting? That's interesting.
47:28
Yeah. Well, I mean, what's interesting
47:29
about that also is the food that you consume also affects your
47:35
mood and how you think about things.
47:37
I mean, if you just eat McDonald's for a whole week,
47:40
you're going to have brain fog and you're not going to be
47:43
thinking very clearly. But if you start your day with,
47:47
as I said earlier, bacon and eggs, you A, you're not going to
47:52
be hungry for most of the day, but but B, you will be, you
47:58
know, potentially on top form mentally and psychologically.
48:03
I mean, and that has a huge effect on health.
48:06
Huge. And I used to belong to the
48:09
Guild of Health Writers back in the UK and we had an amazing
48:14
chairwoman who put on some fantastic conferences or
48:19
lectures. And we had one that was solely
48:22
focused on reversing depression and anxiety just by changing
48:31
your diet and, and people, you know, they might love Iron Brew.
48:37
I also wrote an article for The Times newspaper in London called
48:42
the headline was misdiagnosing ADHD and quite a lot of
48:50
children's issues. You know, when they have
48:52
concentration issues to do with food they might have, you know,
48:57
high sugary drinks. Coca-Cola, iron brew is is 1.
49:02
You know, crisp sweets, stuff that sends kids crazy.
49:07
And fruit juice, too. And fruit juice, Yes.
49:09
Fruit juice, yeah. And although we think fruit
49:13
juice is healthy, it's probably not if you have it every day.
49:19
Because I mean, it might. Be a nice treat occasion.
49:21
I mean, if you, I mean, if you, if you take, let's say, I don't
49:23
know, three oranges and you juice them, you don't in real
49:28
life eat three oranges. So you're consuming a huge
49:32
amount of, of, of sugar and all sorts of other things that come
49:36
in those oranges. Exactly.
49:38
But you wouldn't normally you you wouldn't normally consume I.
49:42
Know exactly, exactly that. So sorry we got sidetracked.
49:50
So that's a very long winded way of saying that, you know, we're
49:53
going to be doing lots of these retreats looking at chronic
49:57
illness. The first one we're doing is
49:59
thyroid. The website is pure Health,
50:02
zanzibar.com. All the details are on there.
50:06
We're launching another one today that is a mental health
50:11
based one, which is looking at your fight, flight, fear, freeze
50:17
emotions and when you get stuck in those.
50:19
And I think the last five years have hammered our mental health.
50:27
You know, whatever side you were on, you know, whether you were
50:30
totally believing in the narrative or like us, totally
50:33
disbelieving of the narrative, our emotions have been hammered.
50:37
And we need to get back some equilibrium for our emotions as
50:43
well. Are you hopeful, Sally?
50:48
Yeah, I, I honestly, this has been an ambition of mine for
50:54
over 20 years. But I was too busy raising
50:56
children to, you know, to, to be able to execute it.
51:00
But they're grown up now. So it is, it is an ambition and
51:06
for nearly 30 years I think it is.
51:10
I haven't taken any pharmaceuticals apart from the
51:14
odd painkiller. So I had a tooth out the other
51:17
day. Definitely.
51:18
Where's the ibuprofen? But I haven't had antibiotics, I
51:25
haven't had any steroids. I haven't had any any kind of
51:31
medication. And that's not to say that I
51:33
haven't been unwell either. I've had all the usual things
51:37
like, you know, flu and colds and coughs.
51:40
But also in our family, we've treated very serious issues.
51:44
Crohn's disease cured, pancreatitis cured, restless leg
51:50
syndrome cured. We're not saying just
51:53
controlled. We're saying the Crohn's disease
51:58
30 years ago, no attacks since pancreatitis 10 years ago,
52:05
restless legs 25 years ago. You know, these are last.
52:09
These are cures, autoimmune disease.
52:12
I had it in my right eye. I could have lost the sight in
52:16
my right eye. Cured.
52:20
So it is possible to cure your illnesses and lose weight
52:28
without using drugs. Something I just want to point
52:32
out, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's it's not about losing
52:39
weight, it's about getting your body into its default kind of
52:45
configuration. Because if you're if you're a
52:48
beast, that's not its default configuration.
52:50
You can also be underweight, which is not the default
52:53
configuration. You know, exactly.
52:56
And some people are naturally very slim.
52:59
You know, I would describe myself as athletic.
53:04
I was never skinny. So my, my default is a kind, you
53:09
know, sort of athletic Y type body.
53:17
But yes, and you know, normalising your weight also
53:24
helps with so many other health issues as well.
53:28
You know, if you've got a a decent diet, if you're your,
53:33
your body's much better able to repair itself if it's not full
53:39
of toxic Oreos. Yes, yes, but there are, there
53:47
are vices that I think that we that we have, you know, just
53:51
simply because we're human and we do also just enjoy a weekend
53:56
with friends. You mentioned alcohol earlier
53:59
and that's one of my vices. I do enjoy a glass of red wine.
54:03
I do enjoy a whiskey, but I don't, I don't drink any of the
54:08
sort of super pop commercial drinks that are just high in
54:12
sugar. You know, I mean, red wine
54:13
generally is low as low sugar anyway.
54:18
Whiskey and I think you said vodka those tend to have or
54:21
tequila, those tend to have low, yeah, low levels of sugar.
54:26
And I think, I mean, I mean, unless you want to live like a
54:29
monk and never been and never been invited anywhere, you know?
54:35
Sure, but I think choose choose some of these battles.
54:40
Yes. And, you know, I'm a very social
54:44
person. I like going out to eat.
54:48
I like, you know, meeting people in bars.
54:51
And I don't want to be sitting there with the soda water.
54:55
And I don't want to be never having a dessert.
55:00
And I love chocolate. Chocolate is, you know,
55:03
chocolate. Oh my God, I could probably live
55:05
on chocolate. I think there were actually 2
55:08
ladies in the US who lived on chocolate ice cream and whiskey
55:14
I think and they were in their 90s.
55:18
But you know, with all these things you sparingly if like me,
55:23
you really did need to make a change.
55:26
I did go hardcore with that diet probably for about 6 to 8
55:31
months. I have totally relaxed it now
55:36
and if I eat too much gluten it definitely starts to show very
55:42
quickly. So I just treat it as a, you
55:47
know, I have a piece of cake occasionally when it's someone's
55:49
birthday or a chapati or but not often.
55:55
Not like we would. We, I think we used to eat carbs
55:58
twice a day so we'd have toast for breakfast, soup sandwich for
56:04
lunch and then root vegetables like potato with dinner.
56:10
And I did fine on that for decades and then until I didn't.
56:16
So if you are struggling with your weight, you know that is
56:19
your body telling you you need to do something to change.
56:23
It doesn't necessarily need to be as hardcore as Carnival, but
56:33
you know, take, take a good look at what you're eating and see
56:36
what, what you can cut out. Cut out the carbs, definitely.
56:41
Although Zoe has argued that if you are going to be a vegan,
56:45
you're going to need to, to, to consume supplements also because
56:49
you're going to be lacking. And so I mean, and so that's
56:53
also where I have a sort of a conflict of interest is if you,
56:57
if you need to take supplements because you're not getting it in
57:02
your standard food or just, you know, your, your diet, something
57:06
is wrong. You shouldn't be required to
57:09
take supplements. You should be getting it from
57:11
your food. Well, that's just it's a clear
57:15
red flag, isn't it? Yeah.
57:18
You know, it's telling you that, OK, this is, you know, you might
57:22
like your diet, but this is what's missing from it.
57:25
And it's not very often you see a healthy vegan, to be perfectly
57:30
honest. No, I haven't seen that many.
57:35
Vegetarian, yes, but healthy vegans, no.
57:41
And if you are plant based or vegan, you have to eat so much
57:47
food. You have to eat like a horse
57:48
constantly throughout the day because you, you know, you're
57:51
always hungry. Yeah, I mean, I did go to a
57:55
really nice place in the Dominican Republic called Kira
58:02
Kira. And then they had vegan food.
58:09
And I was thinking, oh, this is going to be just awful.
58:12
But my eldest daughter at the time wanted to be vegan.
58:16
And I thought, well, let's let's go and do this.
58:19
And, you know, so it'll be great for her.
58:21
But actually the food was delicious, but it was very well
58:26
balanced. You've got veg and two veg.
58:32
You know, we would have meat and two veg, but you've got veg and
58:34
two veg. So you're not just having one
58:37
sort of portion of vegetables. And they were making vegan bread
58:45
as well. So you could, you know, you
58:49
could eat sort of gluten free bread and, and that was all
58:53
fine. And it was, it was really good
58:56
food, I have to say. So if you do vegan diet
58:59
properly. And my darling best friend
59:04
Carol, who died of breast cancer, she never ever liked
59:10
meat in in an era when nobody was a vegetarian.
59:16
But when she was diagnosed with cancer, she totally changed her
59:20
diet. So she cut out meat, which she
59:21
never really liked. And she, she really began to
59:27
transform. You know, before she changed her
59:31
diet, she looked like that she was turning, she was going grey
59:34
and turning solid. She lost a lot of weight and
59:38
started to look much healthier, and her tumours started to
59:41
shrink as well. Unfortunately, she followed the
59:46
doctor's advice. And once her tumor started to
59:49
shrink because she'd been diagnosed at stage 4, she went
59:53
on to have chemo. But she was dead within a week
59:57
because she had a bad reaction to it.
59:59
Wow. Yeah.
1:00:01
But it was an amazing transformation.
1:00:03
So you did. You do need to listen to your
1:00:06
body. And we've been told not to, you
1:00:08
know, right from being kids. Yeah, I mean that that's what
1:00:11
happened in 2020. You know, listen to us.
1:00:15
We are the most informed on what's best for you.
1:00:19
Stay indoors, wear a mask, fear healthy people you know and and
1:00:27
and take this injection in your arm.
1:00:30
Yeah, when you and you know, to close the gyms, keep the off
1:00:36
licenses open. Come on.
1:00:40
OK. It was like a bad IQ test.
1:00:44
That's coming from a landing. Will you give me your website
1:00:48
for your retreats again? It is purehealthzanzibar.com.
1:00:56
We've got an Instagram page, Facebook page, website.
1:01:03
And how else can my audience follow your work?
1:01:09
You can find me at the Conservative Woman.
1:01:12
So everything I've written, I think there's about 160
1:01:16
articles, three articles on Ozempic.
1:01:20
I've got one in the pipeline to update, but everything I've
1:01:26
written about vaccine injury, health authorities, transgender
1:01:33
agenda, anything that's controversial and not really
1:01:38
being covered by mainstream. I seem to have lost Sally and
1:01:46
just in case she is unable to rejoin, let me just say that I
1:01:52
thoroughly enjoyed my conversation with Sally, but my
1:01:57
name is Jeremy. Thank you for joining me in the
1:01:59
trenches.