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INTERVIEW: Emayatzy Corinealdi, McKinley Freeman & Joseph Sikora Talk 'Reasonable Doubt' S3, Career Roles +More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, clicks up The Breakfast Club, y'all,
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Speaker 1: mister one, most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne
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Speaker 1: to God just hilarious. DJ Envy is not in today,
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Speaker 1: but Lauren Lerosa is and we got some special guests
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Speaker 1: in the building. The cast of season three of Reasonable Doubt. Yes,
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Speaker 1: how are y'all feeling? Man, fantastic, jose the Car, McKinley,
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Speaker 1: Freeman and I always messed the name up, Emma.
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Speaker 2: He was messing up, you know, he got a little.
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Speaker 3: How you're feeling this morning?
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Speaker 1: We feel a fantastic It's to be here in Season
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Speaker 1: two of A scripted show is a very hard Season
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Speaker 1: three three three a very A scripted show.
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Speaker 3: Is a very hard task. How does it feel? Man?
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Speaker 4: It's good to be working, I'll tell you that, and
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Speaker 4: also be working with such amazing collaborate people like Mayachti
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Speaker 4: and Joseph, Kerry Washington, Larry. It's been a blessing. Hopefully
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Speaker 4: the fans love it because you know what I.
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Speaker 5: Mean, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a
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Speaker 5: lot of fun. And so to get to do it
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Speaker 5: three times, you know, I want to feel that love
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Speaker 5: from the audience and everything, and then you know meet
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Speaker 5: additional just people who come on the show and bring
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Speaker 5: great energy.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's been cool.
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Speaker 3: When have you not worked? When the last time your right,
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Speaker 3: when the last time you've not worked?
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Speaker 6: I've been super lucky, great in the Tommy role. But legitimately,
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Speaker 6: Charlottmane and we were just talking about that that it's
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Speaker 6: like it's I was I started. We started the journey
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Speaker 6: when I was thirty seven. I'm forty nine right now,
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Speaker 6: so it's like twelve years or.
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Speaker 7: Not.
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Speaker 8: Damn that forty nine is old. You just don't look forty. No, Damn,
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Speaker 8: I wouldn't have guessed this year forty nine.
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Speaker 7: Talking about how long you've been working, especially in that
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Speaker 7: role power right, how hard is it when you go
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Speaker 7: into other sets for people not to just see Tommy
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Speaker 7: all the time, Because it's funny.
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Speaker 6: I think that the Power Show is so pigeonholed in
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Speaker 6: a lot of ways that like when I was on Ozark,
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Speaker 6: people had no idea, like the crossover audience wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: However, on this this is going to be the.
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Speaker 6: One where Tommy plays the lawyer, right, which is fine
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Speaker 6: with me too, because it's it's it's so well written
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Speaker 6: that Ramula Muhammad does such an amazing job at making
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Speaker 6: a three hundred and sixty degree character that it's regardless
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Speaker 6: of how you feel about Bill Sterling my character on
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Speaker 6: season three, reasonable doubt, it's a different character and it's
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Speaker 6: a real human being because she writes real human beings
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Speaker 6: in real situations. This is only the second time in
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Speaker 6: my career where I joined a cast where I was
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Speaker 6: a fan of the show. I mean, I came from
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Speaker 6: Michael Ely, I stayed for Amiazi. It's like she's a brilliant.
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Speaker 6: She is everything that a number one on a call
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Speaker 6: she should be.
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Speaker 3: She's ultra prepared, she's ultra.
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Speaker 6: Kind and you can't you can't put anything in front
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Speaker 6: of her. She can't tackle and conquer. So it's been
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Speaker 6: amazing and I learned a lot. But being around her, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what, I wish people at my job would hype
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Speaker 2: me up like that.
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Speaker 3: She's always on set. I'm sure every day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she doesn't miss him a lot of days, you said, so,
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Speaker 1: I'm interested though you said that. You know when you did,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of crossed over there, So I wondered,
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Speaker 1: does that hinder you from getting certain roles because they
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Speaker 1: feel like, oh, that's Joseph. People might think this is
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Speaker 1: a you know, power franchise spin off.
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Speaker 6: I don't even think about that. I feel like my
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Speaker 6: job as an actor, I don't think about that. And
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Speaker 6: getting more and more into producing.
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Speaker 3: Those are some of the factors.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think you're spot on, Charlotte and thinking
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Speaker 6: that people are people love to categorize stuff because it
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Speaker 6: makes it easy. One thing I've learned in this business
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Speaker 6: is that nobody likes to work hard and everybody likes
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Speaker 6: things that are easy.
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Speaker 3: So I feel like.
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Speaker 6: To break out of the shell, you have to do
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Speaker 6: both of those things. You have to do things that
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Speaker 6: are difficult, and you have to want to work. So
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Speaker 6: that's all I wanted. All I do is I try
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Speaker 6: to progress and keep working.
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Speaker 1: There's working on a loss in the show challenge, y' all.
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Speaker 1: View of the legal system.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, I mean, because, for one, I've just learned
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Speaker 5: a lot more about law. You know, as each season
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Speaker 5: has gone on, you know, you learn a lot more.
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Speaker 5: And again the writing it makes you kind of dive
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Speaker 5: into that, you know, but just the system as a whole,
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Speaker 5: you know, each season brings a new case and with
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Speaker 5: the new case. You have different challenges and you know
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Speaker 5: how the law is working with you or against you,
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Speaker 5: and those kinds of things, you know, so it really
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Speaker 5: does highlight that. And that's one of my favorite things
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Speaker 5: about the show is that it makes people talk about it.
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Speaker 9: It makes people talk.
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Speaker 5: About, you know, the justice system and why it's working
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Speaker 5: or why it's not. And that's again one of the
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Speaker 5: one of the benefits of the show. It's not just
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Speaker 5: this simple legal drama. You know, you have this woman
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Speaker 5: who's a lawyer. There's so many more layers to it.
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Speaker 4: And oddly like over the course of shooting the last
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Speaker 4: few seasons, there's always been something interesting happening legally, So
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Speaker 4: there's always something in the.
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Speaker 3: World where we're like, oh, come together.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So season two and season three, so it's it's definitely
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Speaker 4: you know, shed a light on that topic.
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Speaker 7: For surest So, the last season before this one, you
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Speaker 7: end on like a high. You you bring your your
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Speaker 7: friend home and all the things, and then this season
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Speaker 7: opens and it's like you you want more drama, yes,
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Speaker 7: but you also in the last season with a lot
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Speaker 7: of drama. You know, we don't understand we as women,
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Speaker 7: you know about.
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Speaker 2: We want to have it all.
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Speaker 5: I think Jacks as a character, she is the woman
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Speaker 5: who does thrive in a lot of ways on the
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Speaker 5: adrenaline of things not going the way they're supposed to go.
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Speaker 5: She likes the mess of all of that in her
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Speaker 5: professional life, yes, you know, but when it does bleed
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Speaker 5: over into the personal, that's where things get a little tricky.
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Speaker 5: But she's been missing that, you know, from the last season.
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Speaker 5: She did get a girlfriend off and everything, and now
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Speaker 5: she's just you know, everyone's bleeding out, there's nothing really happening.
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Speaker 5: She likes to be in that courtroom, you know, so
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Speaker 5: I can understand that. You know, at work you want
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Speaker 5: a little you want to feel like you were doing
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Speaker 5: your best.
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Speaker 9: And for Jacks, she's at her.
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Speaker 5: Best when she's in that courtroom, standing right in front
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Speaker 5: of someone and letting them know how they're not. She's
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Speaker 5: gonna win this case. So that's where she wants to be.
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Speaker 5: She lives in that space.
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Speaker 7: I've had conversations with my friends because of reasonable doubt
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Speaker 7: just about how like as women at work, or black
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Speaker 7: women at work, we always feel the need to like
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Speaker 7: be the like successor in the room or we're figuring
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Speaker 7: it out, how does your role and what you do
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Speaker 7: going into this new season with all this new drama
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Speaker 7: to that like that, I need the mess because I
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Speaker 7: need something to figure out so I can look like
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Speaker 7: I'm accomplishing or accomplished.
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Speaker 5: Well, see, I think it's almost the opposite. I don't
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Speaker 5: know if I would say that. I feel like Jackson
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Speaker 5: needs the mess to feel like she's doing something. I
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Speaker 5: think there's more so she's already feeling like she's not
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Speaker 5: valued at her job, you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 5: she knows that she can get in these rooms and
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Speaker 5: obliterate anyone who's in front of her, you know, and
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Speaker 5: she's she really fights for the people, the clients that
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Speaker 5: she believes in. So I think she wants to have
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Speaker 5: more of those opportunities to do that. And when we
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Speaker 5: open up in season three, that's not where she is,
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Speaker 5: you know, everyone is pleading out. She's kind of more
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Speaker 5: so just in her office and that kind of thing.
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Speaker 5: So she wants to have a bit more of the
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Speaker 5: excitement so that she can make money for the firm,
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Speaker 5: be her best, you know, show everyone what she's capable of,
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Speaker 5: because again that's why she's a partner. You know, her
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Speaker 5: name is on that building. So she's not at her best,
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Speaker 5: just you know, helping clients plead out in that kind
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Speaker 5: of way.
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Speaker 1: You know, I always wonder like what parts of Jack's
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Speaker 1: resonate with you personally, and does that change from season
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Speaker 1: to season?
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Speaker 3: Does it feel like you're covering new territory.
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: I discover something new about this woman each year, for sure.
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Speaker 5: You know, every every episode is like, oh Jax, you
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Speaker 5: know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: It makes it.
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Speaker 5: Makes me have those conversations with myself. There are a
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Speaker 5: lot of ways that were alike, you know, in her
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Speaker 5: in her ability to get things done. You know, she's
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Speaker 5: about her business. She's very strong, straightforward. You know, I
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Speaker 5: can relate to her in that way, the way she
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Speaker 5: goes about it. At times, you know, we may differ
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Speaker 5: a little bit, you know what I mean, we made
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Speaker 5: we made different a little bit, you know, But that's
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Speaker 5: that's the fun part of being the actors when you
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Speaker 5: get to peel back all those layers and not judge
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Speaker 5: this woman. Okay, why does she decide that she gonna
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Speaker 5: stay with this man after hen went and have this
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Speaker 5: whole side?
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Speaker 2: Baby?
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Speaker 9: You know, it's it's tough.
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Speaker 5: It's tough, but it happens, and people do that all
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Speaker 5: of the time, and so that's what makes it exciting.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I was telling me about the research
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Speaker 6: that she did and found the group chat of these
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Speaker 6: women who's whose partners had stepped out or had been
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Speaker 6: given a little leeway.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, group.
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Speaker 2: Chat, they're there.
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Speaker 9: I had to dig I did it. Yeah, yep, Yes, I.
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Speaker 7: Did not have a baby, but I got back with
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Speaker 7: someone who had a baby while we were like in
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Speaker 7: a weird space.
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Speaker 9: And you do find that there are a lot of
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Speaker 9: women who do it.
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Speaker 7: They don't talk about it because you have to deal
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Speaker 7: with people being like, well, why would you get to
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Speaker 7: do that?
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Speaker 9: But it's a whole community out there, Yes there is.
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Speaker 5: And I had to go because I couldn't make it. It
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Speaker 5: makes sense, but I can't judge this woman.
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Speaker 2: We all you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: And so when I found it, it made sense and
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Speaker 5: I understood and then I could portray it from a
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Speaker 5: real perspective.
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Speaker 3: What was the reason?
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Speaker 1: I want to know, Like, what was what did you
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Speaker 1: find in that group chat that you could tap into
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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is why I would take them back.
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Speaker 9: Oh well that's easy.
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Speaker 5: I mean you find that outside of their still being loved,
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Speaker 5: there and all that kind of stuff. It's more so
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Speaker 5: things that other people may not understand, you know, they
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Speaker 5: may not understand that I have history with this person
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Speaker 5: all these things. But beyond that, especially the women that
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Speaker 5: I found that were married, you know, and this happen
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Speaker 5: not in just long term relationships, they really felt like,
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Speaker 5: you know what, I made this bow.
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Speaker 9: I have children.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to let him take this whole thing down.
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Speaker 5: And also I believe this is something that this is
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Speaker 5: a mistake, you know, and we can get through this.
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Speaker 9: We can get through this, you know.
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Speaker 5: And when you have marriage that's been you have years
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Speaker 5: invested in this, you can understand why people would feel like,
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not going to throw this whole thing aboay.
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Speaker 2: And it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, McKinley, did you have.
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Speaker 3: You know, you know, a bit a side person.
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Speaker 4: I think the thing is, it's just funny hearing in
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Speaker 4: Miyati talk about it because I think about all the
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Speaker 4: conversations that I had on set and then comment sections
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Speaker 4: about Lewis and the baby and Tony and what's happening
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Speaker 4: with Jack's and the thing that I find interesting is
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Speaker 4: the divide where there's a line that women won't cross.
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're Lewis is.
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Speaker 4: Wrong because he had a baby, not because he cheated.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a second, So I was gonna say
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Speaker 4: Jack spent the whole season with Michael Ely then as
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Speaker 4: as the but this is.
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Speaker 3: The thing with but my point, but my point.
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Speaker 4: But my point though is that like, it's interesting to
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Speaker 4: see how conversations evolve, because Charlemagne asked a great questions
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Speaker 4: like what do you look at this season that's evolved?
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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things in this relationship
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Speaker 4: is like how do you stand in the face of
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Speaker 4: all the things that you've built up in terms of
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Speaker 4: the ideas that you what you will and won't do,
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Speaker 4: and are you willing to knock those down to keep
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Speaker 4: the thing that's most important, which is what you vowed with.
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Speaker 4: So it's like it's interesting to hear people reconcile their
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Speaker 4: choices but also still make the most of the present
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Speaker 4: to recognize the opportunity I have to change things, and
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Speaker 4: this is.
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Speaker 6: The level of intelligence I have to deal with. Don't
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Speaker 6: come off like I'm smart.
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Speaker 1: So the wonder if love really is a deciding factor
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Speaker 1: and all those things right, because if you really love
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Speaker 1: the person, you probably would have been more careful, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: she to begin with about a lot of things, go a.
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Speaker 3: Little bit further on that she really cheated. What happened.
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Speaker 9: Women sheet? I got you said leomen do their thing
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Speaker 9: is different?
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Speaker 7: Just because I love Jackson, cheating is cheap.
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Speaker 9: And they were separated. You forgot.
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Speaker 4: Talking about like we can't do that though?
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Speaker 3: Is that wrong?
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Speaker 2: Lord?
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Speaker 8: Listen with the progression of the show right all the
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Speaker 8: way from you know, season one, it's seems like y'all, well,
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Speaker 8: y'all already like melted into y'all characters. Do y'all have
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Speaker 8: anything to do with the like writing writing process like
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Speaker 8: after season two or anything like that?
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Speaker 5: Oh well, we cannot take any credit for the right.
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Speaker 5: That's Roba Muhammad and the fantastic writing room that she
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Speaker 5: has a symbol, they do all of the writing.
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Speaker 9: What she does allow is room.
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Speaker 5: For it to breathe if something doesn't come out of
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Speaker 5: the mouth, right. You know, she's open to that, to
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Speaker 5: changing in that kind of thing, but the base core
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Speaker 5: of it, that's all.
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Speaker 3: That's all she allows us.
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Speaker 4: She definitely allows us to settle into a true perspective
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Speaker 4: for sure, and like if something doesn't seem right in
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Speaker 4: the words before we get there, we can have there's
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Speaker 4: phone calls and conversations without She makes it so.
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Speaker 6: It's a safe space that I you know, without naming
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Speaker 6: names or you know, looking at resumes or anything like that.
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Speaker 6: She is so unbelievably open to saying if you have
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Speaker 6: a question. I just I just didn't really trust that
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Speaker 6: at first. She's like, is everything okay?
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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you're so.
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Speaker 6: You're so open to this stuff and yet so incredibly
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Speaker 6: intelligent in a master storytelling that's still open to saying
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Speaker 6: like maybe maybe there's a even better way to do it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, she's incredible because you find on sets they don't
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Speaker 8: usually do that right, No, something No, you stick it
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Speaker 8: to stick to it.
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Speaker 2: This is what I wrote, This is what it is.
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Speaker 2: I love that though I.
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Speaker 1: Know, you know, being on Power all these years has
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Speaker 1: been a blessing right a min But do you ever
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I don't want to I love
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Speaker 1: the character Tommy, I just don't want to get boxed
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Speaker 1: in the character time.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. Again, it's like I don't even think about that.
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Speaker 6: Like I had spent so many years as we talked
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Speaker 6: about before, like twenty five years in the business, before
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Speaker 6: I got the Tommy roll to get I got me
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Speaker 6: out of that, paid my bills. I still love Tommy too,
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Speaker 6: because he's a complex character. And again talking about writing,
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Speaker 6: Gary Lennon, who writes the Tommy character for the Power
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Speaker 6: for Show and was the co show runner of the
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Speaker 6: original Power Show, is you know, the son of Native
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Speaker 6: New York, son of Hell's Kitchen, And he just writes such.
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Speaker 3: A real character, and is this.
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Speaker 6: It's endlessly entertaining for me to discover new parts about
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Speaker 6: this character. And still as a guy that comes from
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Speaker 6: the theater, that's a classically trained actor and all that stuff,
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Speaker 6: It's like, I still never I don't think about myself
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Speaker 6: as being pigeonholed, and I think that that's the most
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Speaker 6: important thing that I'm Like, I can still play Bill Sterling,
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Speaker 6: I can't still play Frank Junior. I can still be
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Speaker 6: all of these other things. So in my mind it's
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Speaker 6: I don't fit boxed in at all, even though if
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Speaker 6: other people judge me. Again, it's like it's like what
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Speaker 6: other people think about me is none of my business.
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Speaker 2: Because that's probably part of the gift.
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Speaker 5: You know, as an actor, you want to have a
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Speaker 5: character that resonates with people that they just they identify
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Speaker 5: it with that and that you can live with and
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Speaker 5: then still go on to do other things. But that's
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Speaker 5: a part of the gift.
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Speaker 6: You know, there's probably more parts of Tommy that there
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Speaker 6: are more parts of me that are closer to parts
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Speaker 6: of Tommy than.
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Speaker 3: Parts of me that are closer to bos Sterling.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think in terms of emotional.
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Speaker 3: Not dealing and letting people up.
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Speaker 6: But it's it's fun to try to stretch to have
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Speaker 6: a guy who was Special Forces in the Coastguard and
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Speaker 6: this wonderful backstory of going to Georgetown for law school
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Speaker 6: and really kind of diving deep in there and also
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Speaker 6: losing kind of like trying to restructure my body and
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Speaker 6: losing like twenty pounds for the character to be a
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Speaker 6: guy who is in the militar and trying to work
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Speaker 6: out the way that people in the Coast Guard Special
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Speaker 6: Forces would have to see if that physically changes the
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Speaker 6: body to the character to let the vessel be something different.
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Speaker 6: So it's a lot of fun, great challenges.
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Speaker 3: McKinley, Is it true that you started off in corporate America? Right? Yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 3: so you got into the industry later.
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Speaker 4: That's well, yeah, I got into lad I was I
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Speaker 4: got a bachelor's degree in finance and the NBA and
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Speaker 4: marketing and information technology. So I was working for like
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Speaker 4: a Fortune five company, traveling around the world building marketing
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Speaker 4: program sales programs for stuff. And then I just started
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Speaker 4: modeling and got bored. And then that was kind of
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Speaker 4: the introduction to it all. And then just kind of
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Speaker 4: like Joseph was say, I'm a bit of a student
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Speaker 4: to everything, whether it's jiu jitsu, acting, whatever. So I
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Speaker 4: knew that there was a lot that I didn't though,
15:40
Speaker 4: and I just took it as an opportunity to kind
15:43
Speaker 4: of learn and see where it could go. But it's
15:44
Speaker 4: very much about for me, it's a like a lifestyle
15:48
Speaker 4: being present, like what is it that I can do
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Speaker 4: today to get me closer to tomorrow, which will get
15:51
Speaker 4: me closer to my destiny. But yeah, but also not
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Speaker 4: being afraid to pivot, you know.
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Speaker 1: Can you speak to that, because it's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: you you accomplished so much, right.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've accomplished it so much from
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Speaker 3: an educational perspective, right, So, but what is it in you?
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Speaker 1: What's that nagging feeling that's like, no, you should you
16:06
Speaker 1: should be doing something else, you should be doing this.
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Speaker 4: I think there's a voice on the inside, there's a
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Speaker 4: thing where it's like there's a point where you can
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Speaker 4: check all the boxes and things could be going right,
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Speaker 4: but there's still something missing. And I think the voice
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Speaker 4: of the whisper of something missing is louder than the
16:21
Speaker 4: screams of the things that you have. So for me,
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Speaker 4: the opportunity is to kind of dive in there to
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Speaker 4: see where it could go. Because to me, the biggest
16:27
Speaker 4: thing is martin us the King said the two greatest words,
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Speaker 4: that the two most powerful words in the English language
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Speaker 4: are too late. So like, I don't want to get
16:35
Speaker 4: to the end and be like, damn, I wish I
16:36
Speaker 4: would have tried. So I'm gonna leave it on the
16:37
Speaker 4: table wherever it is, whether it's acting business whatever. But
16:41
Speaker 4: but yeah, that the willingness to be free and to
16:44
Speaker 4: see where the waves go, That's where I'm at.
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Speaker 7: McKinley, how important has it been or was it to
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Speaker 7: show Lewis's like grieving process from the loss of his son.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the the.
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Speaker 4: You know, grieving is hard anyway, and I think sometimes
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Speaker 4: we all just kind of put it in the bag
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Speaker 4: and keep moving, never really thinking about how much it weighs.
17:04
Speaker 4: And I think, specifically for Lewis in this situation with
17:08
Speaker 4: grieving the loss of a of a son, there's a
17:11
Speaker 4: lot of things connected to that. I mean, we think
17:13
Speaker 4: about things in a vacuum, but one son is connected
17:15
Speaker 4: to another son. The spencer still lives like, oh man,
17:18
Speaker 4: this is this young This young man could have grown
17:20
Speaker 4: up to be this age, And there's a I think
17:22
Speaker 4: there's there's a there's a there's a weird stigma when
17:25
Speaker 4: it comes to expressing how we feel as black men,
17:28
Speaker 4: and there's there's definitely a weight, weights that we're not
17:32
Speaker 4: meant to carry. And my biggest piece of advice is
17:34
Speaker 4: to put them down because you don't know that weight
17:37
Speaker 4: could cause could cost you your life. So I think
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Speaker 4: for me grieving, being honest about how a person feels,
17:43
Speaker 4: being president with our feelings and learning to be a
17:46
Speaker 4: clear communicator of that so that other people.
17:48
Speaker 3: Around are aware.
17:49
Speaker 4: To me, that's important and it also makes you more
17:51
Speaker 4: of a vessel for other folks as they're going through I've.
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Speaker 1: Been exploring that a lot, right Like, you know, there's
17:55
Speaker 1: a black man, this is a man in general. I
17:57
Speaker 1: think the hardest thing for men to say is something
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Speaker 1: hurt they feel, and it's.
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Speaker 3: Hard to say that to another individual. It's hard to
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Speaker 3: look at another man to be like, yo, you hurt
18:05
Speaker 3: my feeling.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think the bigger thing is yeah, I agree
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Speaker 4: with that, But I think one of the things is
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Speaker 4: dangerous is camping in feelings. My biggest my bigger thing
18:13
Speaker 4: is what is the foundation that the feelings come from.
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Speaker 3: There's a root of it. What is the root?
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Speaker 4: Because that root might not be something My root may
18:20
Speaker 4: very well be something that we weren't supposed to have, right,
18:22
Speaker 4: whether it's fear, insecurity, whatever it is, Like, deal with
18:25
Speaker 4: the root of that, because then you don't have to
18:26
Speaker 4: deal with that area of the garden anymore once you
18:28
Speaker 4: get the weeds up and that's that.
18:30
Speaker 5: Space was a challenge story wise on the show for
18:33
Speaker 5: Jackson as a character to allow him to have the
18:35
Speaker 5: space to do all of that without her feeling some
18:39
Speaker 5: type of way about well, is he did.
18:41
Speaker 2: He really want to be with her?
18:42
Speaker 5: Is he really you know? All those questions and realize
18:44
Speaker 5: it's not about you with that moment, It's really about
18:46
Speaker 5: him having this opportunity to grieve what happened.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting and that's that's actually how beautiful the
18:52
Speaker 4: story is. It's actually it is about me and it's
18:54
Speaker 4: about us. So it's like sacrificing something for the bigger picture,
18:59
Speaker 4: even if it doesn't yeh, the most sent some papers,
19:01
Speaker 4: you know, because we read we read scripts and it
19:03
Speaker 4: happens just like when y'all see it like wait a minute,
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Speaker 4: what's happening and will be like, wait a minute, what
19:07
Speaker 4: is this?
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Speaker 3: Where is this going? So it's always.
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, it's the Cast a Reasonable Doubt. Season three
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Speaker 1: premiere September eighteenth. Here's eighteenth, Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, And I want to say I did something for reason.
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Speaker 9: I'm here on the radio.
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Speaker 2: Don't paying attention to the case. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I'm the voice that pay attention to the case. Yeah, listen,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to carry thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Every day. A week ago, the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 2: Finished for y'all.
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Speaker 3: Dump