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The Study of the Gifts of the Spirit Part 3 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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Welcome back to the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon
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Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock
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and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it.
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All righty, we are ready to kick off another Bible study webinar
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tonight and further discuss some of the diversities of gifts or
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some of the gifts of the Spirit and looking forward to that
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tonight. Before we get started though,
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I'll let Aaron open up. Aaron, open us up with a word of
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prayer. Our most holy and righteous
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Father, we are thankful and grateful to be able to study
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your word again. And we just asked for an
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outstanding way as she would direct us as we go through this,
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that we would not that we would not direct people in the wrong
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way, but that we would be able to open up the passages and make
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them clear and understandable. And that you would guide us
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through your spirit to do that and to be able to help our help
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each other to understand and help those that are listening.
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And that we might all be inspired to know you a little
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better and to see your character more clearly as we study your
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word. Just ask your blessing on us as
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we do so. Just pray that you'd be with
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each one that is listening that they might grow in their
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understanding because they're able to put the maybe the
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preconceived notions that they have about these things out of
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their mind and just hear your word clearly as if for the first
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time. All these things we ask in
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Christ precious name, Amen. All righty, Andrew, I'll let you
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kick us off here. But so we are in First
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Corinthians chapter 12 and we have been woven through most
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recently kind of the the doctrine of baptism.
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And we ended up with had a baptism of the Spirit.
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We talked about that and then we kind of went into the gifts of
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the Spirit here. And it's been an interesting
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study through a bunch of different subjects.
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So most recently here, though, if you haven't been listening in
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every week, we are ready for I guess we'll bounce off of verse
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25 to kind of get get started in here a little bit.
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And and then just finished kind of the rest of the chapters.
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What we're going to do tonight. If we don't murder a full hour,
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that's OK. But we just got I want to kind
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of close with the the gifts here that he talks about at the end
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here. So we just we just went through
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hearing about, you know, the members US being, you know, a
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part of a complete body, which is a a beautiful picture of how
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that we as believers in the are a part of the body of Christ.
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None of us and by itself is the whole, but rather we each have a
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job to do and one that God specifically made us for.
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But on top of that, then he also gives us gifts to operate in
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besides that. So really interesting discussion
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the last two weeks about this. And one of the things that I
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said this last week was that it's clear that the the gifts of
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the Spirit are for it says the manifestation of the Spirit is
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given to every man to profit with all.
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So it's something that brings value to the body or to God
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through US gives, you know, something that's profitable.
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Is it it adds value. It you know, you start with 10
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bucks and if it's something's profitable, it'll turn into 20
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kind of a thing. So it's it's like that.
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And then here in verse 25, which is what we're bounced out of, he
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says that there's that there should be no schism in the body,
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but that the members should have the same care one for another.
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We talked about this a little bit last week, but I'll let you
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take off with this, Andrew. It seems to me that the part of
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the reason that there's these different members of and there's
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not just one hole necessarily is that there should be no schism
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in the body. In other words, one person we
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each meld together to make a a complete unit, which God calls
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the you eventually is going to be the bride of Christ is going
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to be his his bride. So Andrew, I'll let you bounce
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from there. Yeah, according to my
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understanding of schism is there's that's like a a void or
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a gap. And if if we have a lot of those
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gaps in the body, then we're going to suffer.
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It's not going to be closely knit where if the one part of
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the body hurts and if there's a great distance between us, we're
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not going to feel it. Like there's a disconnect.
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And he's making the argument that if we all operate in the
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gifts and we all do our part and just like the body loves itself,
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like if, if, like I said last time, if my, even my little toe
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hurts, it will get my, the rest of the body's attention.
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There's no schism between me and my little toe.
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It I'm connected with it, I'm it, it's, it's not alone.
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It's not separate. It's not feeling like it's by
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itself. And it can hurt.
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Nobody else notices. No, when the little toe hurts,
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I'm my whole body moves to try to nurture that and let make
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that stop hurting. And that's the analogy he keeps.
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He's still driving here over and over.
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If, if we're working in the gifts, then everybody will
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benefit and we'll actually, like you said, all will profit from
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it. When there's no skis in between
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us that we're connected and we feel it and we know it and we
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get to know each other and we're like a rope that can't be broken
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because we're all intertwined together.
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When 111 member hurts or one member goes off the deep end, or
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one member falls in the sin or gets weak or whatever, we all
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are part of it. We don't just say, well, that's
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that person, let them deal with whatever they're going through.
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No, we want to all be a part of it.
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Like if the Christian Church is working the way it's supposed
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to, we help those that are we, we help those that are in
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trouble. We don't run from it.
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We like the body. When the part of our body is
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hurting or maybe sick, we'll nurture it.
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The whole rest of the body's gonna put all its effort.
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We even designed that way in our in our, the way our insights and
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the way the nutrition is distributed in our body, the way
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the brain tells it to distribute the nutrition.
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It will go to the places that are most important first and
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then go out because it's taking care of the entire body.
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And man, we need, if we could do a lot of improvements there.
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Yeah, I remember a long time ago for an opening I that did a
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little studying on what happens when you cut your finger, what
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your body does when you cut your finger.
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And it is amazing what the body does, you know, with blood cells
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and it just rapid responses to that point.
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And it gives it gives that cut every attention that it that it
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possibly needs. I mean, it's just amazing if you
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look at the medical science of what happens.
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And it's a beautiful picture actually of how a healthy body
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here, the body of Christ would respond to a hurt individual.
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And that was eye opening to me how that how that actually
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worked. Yeah, 'cause the body is not
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saying, oh, it's that stupid finger again.
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I'm not going to pick. No, it and it and of the
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response, the response to it actually is totally automatic
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like the body are holding was what I mean.
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It just responds. It doesn't have to think an
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under a process on what to do it just right now it's there and
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it's supplying that every need just just like what and that's
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amazing. That's right there.
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I don't know. Go ahead.
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Yeah, and that's why he's keeps selling us, you know previously
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verses he keeps telling us about becoming one like right, because
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that's the important part. He that's why he's referring to
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the body because the body is he is saying is right.
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It's one many members what it's one because if you read verse 24
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with 25 because 25 kind of goes with 24.
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It says for our commonly parts have no need, but God had
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tempered the body together in that temper means combined like
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he has combined the body together, having given more
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abundant honor to that part which lacked.
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And then it goes on verse 25 that there should be no schism
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in the body. So in other words, it's combined
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like you were saying schism means a gap.
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So it's combined. It's one, it's not supposed to
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be a gap. That's why he wants it to be 1
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many members but one. But the interesting part to me
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is what he says there, but that the members should have the same
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care for one another. So it's just like you were
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saying you guys were saying about the body when you cut your
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finger. I cut my finger last week on the
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job site and I immediately went to the first aid kit, you know,
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and and bandaged the thing up and like, I didn't just keep
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working because I couldn't function until I got that cut
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taken care of, but it in a couple days it was healed like
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immediately my body was working on healing that spot in the
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finger. And so that's what he's
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referring to here, but that the members should have the same
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care for one another. So he's referring to the one
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being one many members, but one is to care for one another.
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And the next verse, you didn't read that yet, but it it kind of
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elaborates on that and what that looks like when we care for one
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another. But that's the point he is
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trying to make. And I think that's where we miss
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it. Like many times we want to try
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and give the gift of the Spirit, like we're trying to manifest
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the gifts of the Spirit so that I can look more whole air.
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People look to me and they they think that I'm this spiritual
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great guy where that's not what it's about.
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It's it's to edify the body, the body and to take care of one
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another is what all these gifts are for, right?
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So that's where I think we miss it.
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That's right, good stuff. Aaron, I think that I think
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we're getting, I think we're drawing close to when he's going
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to bring this together and and going to point us to the next
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chapter. Like I think this is kind of the
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beginning of the end, if you will, because I like the last
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part of that verse, as Melvin just mentioned that the members
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should have the same care one for another, because that's
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actually what he's getting ready to get to, right?
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In other words, we would, we've already said this, that whatever
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gift it is, the, the point of that gift is to edify the body.
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If it's prophesying, if it's whatever it is, it's, it's to
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edify the body. And yet here he's, I feel like
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he's kind of kind of changing gears because he says there
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shouldn't be a gap in the body. In other words, I, I looked that
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up that back in Romans chapter 12, it, it's mentioned Romans
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12/6 says having them gifts differing according to the grace
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that's given to us. And he lists one of them in
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chapter. I mean the same chapter in verse
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8, he says he that showeth mercy with cheerfulness.
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So it's like you could have a body of people and you have this
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one person that's running to everybody trying to help them.
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You know, like everybody that seems to be down.
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You've got this one person that does go to that person and and
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help them. But I think he's actually kind
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of pointless already towards the next chapter.
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Say, you know, well, when what was it Jesus said?
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He said they'll know you that you're my disciples.
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If you have love one for another.
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You know what I mean? Like the greatest sign of a good
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functioning body is it loving itself, right, of it loving its
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members. And I think that that's kind of
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that's why I said this is kind of the beginning of changing the
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gear, because I think that's what he means by there by
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saying, but that the members should have the same care one
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for another. In other words, you may you, you
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may say, well, that's not my gift to be a comforter.
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Well, he's getting ready to go into the next chapter and say
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that the greatest thing is to be selfless, to be concerned more
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about the other person than yourself.
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So I think that this is like, and I think that actually, if
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you want to tie all that together, that's why it's
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greater, right? It's because you can.
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I mean, Jesus said greater love hath no man than this.
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The man lay down his life for his friends.
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So there is no greater thing than being selfless.
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There's nothing that's going to edify the body better than when,
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as the next verse says, when one of us suffers, everybody feels
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that pain, right? That that's the greatest prophet
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to all of us. Yeah.
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No, that, that's a very good point.
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I yeah, going right into that charity.
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I got another aspect that we haven't talked about yet that I
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thought of so that the body not only takes care of its own, but
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it also has a whole host of things within our gut and with
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our inner our everything that we're made of to oppose or to to
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fight off things that will bring harm to the body.
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Like, like, like it's always like, what does the liver?
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Do I mean make? Sure, the blood is good and you
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know you got all these body parts to to fight off bad
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bacteria. There's good bacteria and
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there's bad bacteria. If you look at the church, Paul
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always warns us about fornication and 11 of the
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Pharisees. So a healthy body will reject 11
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of certain things like it can quickly.
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A healthy body can quickly tell if something is coming into the
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body that is bringing harm, that is bringing unbelief or whatever
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you want to put in there. That's a, a, an aspect that
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nobody really wants to talk about and deal with when it
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happens. But a lot of a lot of times when
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you don't see the harm that's being done, you don't recognize
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it and you don't reject it, then all of a sudden the whole body
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is in ruins because we didn't have all them gifts operating
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where every member was really looking out for fighting off the
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all the toxins that, you know, it's very much needed.
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And I want that. I want that gift to be in the
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body where we can see when things something's coming in
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like a wolf trying to destroy the the body or a lamb or
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whatever. Yeah.
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Yeah, and it's the same way as if you cut your finger though,
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too. I mean, there's, there's things
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that we do like put a bandage on it like Melvin said.
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But the, a large part of the response, like if you are maybe
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if there's a flu bug going around or whatever, your body
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automatically responds to that, you know, in, in trying to fight
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that flu bug without you even knowing that it's there yet.
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You're not even sick yet. And your body's already, you
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know, building up white blood community, you know it already.
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So what I'm saying, and I think that that actually is a good
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analogy to like a healthy body doesn't have to tackle
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everything straight on by force. I think a healthy body will
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automatically reject foolishness.
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You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's just, it's
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a natural response of, of the love of God and this, this
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charity that he's going to talk about here in the next chapter,
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foolishness and sin just isn't able to able to be comfortable.
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Just like a germ just cannot survive in a healthy body
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because there's just too much good.
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Around let's go. So, so I haven't thought about
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that. So I was, as you were talking,
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Andrea, this came to my brain. So maybe it's not just one
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specific gift that like rejects those bad things or those toxins
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that you were describing. Is it maybe like when the whole
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body is like 1 and is functioning and the gifts are
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working, Maybe then if they're healthy, in other words, is 1
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comes to mind. But my mind right then it would
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reject the toxins and. I don't.
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That's just. And it can actually handle some
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junk food without it harming it, you know?
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I don't really have a Bible verse to back that up, but
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that's just what comes to my mind.
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Well, I'm thinking of census exercise.
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Isn't there a one among? Isn't there one that is the
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least among you that can judge among yourself?
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Are you so foolish, like one brother takes another brother to
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law that you can't work things out?
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You know, doesn't it naturally just kind of take care of
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itself? Like Leon was saying?
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I think God is very, very significant and true.
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There's people here in our group.
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That's what I preach, is that if love does not, if love and
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oneness with each other and united in the gospel doesn't
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shed off all the heresies and the false doctrines and this
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stuff, if we need laws and structures in a, in a document
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to tell us what, what we live by, then then we're defeated
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already 'cause I think love is stronger than any kind of paper,
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any kind of, you know, doctrine or whatever.
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Love and commitment to the, the body of Jesus Christ is far
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greater than any kind of structure.
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Yeah. Yeah, I was preaching on Sunday
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in Mark chapter 4. And this is what kind of made me
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think about this, the whole idea that the body, you know, self
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protects or self, whatever. So he's, there's A and we're
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getting off into the weeds a little bit, but I think this is
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relevant here. But it says he's talking that
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Jesus is talking here to Mark about the in parables about the
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Kingdom of God. He's he's explaining how this
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new Kingdom works, and he says so is the Kingdom of God, as if
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a man should cast seed into the ground and should sleep and rise
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night and day and the seed. Should spring and grow up, he
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knoweth not how. For that earth bringeth forth
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fruit of herself. And if you look at that, that
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word of herself, the, the Greek word actually is the same word
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that we would use automatic. So you, the, the seed is the
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gospel. You, you share the gospel, you
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put it out there. It lands on fertile ground,
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which is an open and an honest heart.
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And what happens there? The sower does not know.
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Wow. He's all about his business.
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This thing that that it says the earth from herself automatically
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comes life from that seed. There's no other thing needed.
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You know that there's no manipulation needed to bring
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this seed to to bear. It's an automatic response from
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a a seed and the arm of a seed coming into fertile soil that
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was designed for it to grow in. I mean, how cool is that?
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That is a that is the principle of God.
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And the same thing is true here on how this body works.
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I guarantee you. This is firing.
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Me up. You know, you know what you call
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that man going a weed, going in the weeds for Jesus.
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I'll go there. That was sure that was good so.
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Anyway, all right, Aaron, I'll let you go on, 26 says.
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And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it,
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or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.
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And I'm going to read verse 27 together now.
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You are the body of Christ and members in particular.
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Any thoughts on that? I know we probably kind of
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covered this mostly already. I guess I'll approach it from
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the. I guess I'll call it the
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negative side. I think it's easy, if we're not
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careful, it's easy to look at somebody and say, why are they
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letting them? Why are they letting them?
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Let that bother them so much, right?
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You know, they're actually suffering and we say, well, they
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shouldn't be suffering. Or we may look at somebody that
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is honored. And it's so easy to actually
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just be envious or jealous of that, you know what I mean?
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So, so I, I know that's kind of the negative side, but obviously
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he's addressing it from the perspective of a good healthy
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working body doesn't do that, right?
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It does, it actually does suffer when the other member is
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suffering. It actually does rejoice when
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the other member is honored. So I think that that's something
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to keep in mind is it is easy if like I said it, it really is,
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it's easy to look at somebody and not really suffer with them.
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Actually just say you should get over that.
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You know, you should. You shouldn't be suffering and
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not have love and charity towards that person or see
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someone rejoice and instead of having a care for them, you
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actually feel pity for yourself that you're not getting the
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honor they're getting, you know. So I always think that's
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important to kind of look at it from the reason why would he be
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saying this? You know, why would what was?
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What's the negative side of this?
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Yeah, yeah. No, that's, that's really good,
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Andrew. Yeah, I'll just say again, just
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like it's still talking about the same topic.
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We were just talking about about the body and what legalistic,
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deep minded people and just human nature in itself wants to
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be told what to do. Show me a method, show me a
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program. Make me not have to think for
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myself, maybe not have to practice to get to know somebody
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or to go out and actually practice my practice something.
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Just tell me what to do, where to punch in and where to clock
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in and where to clock out and tell me I'm doing great.
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That's the human nature. And that kind of mindset cannot
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understand how it could work. Cannot.
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It's the same concept as law versus grace.
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God gave the law of Moses to tell us exactly what to do and
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it just couldn't do the job. And God said, I'm done with it.
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I'm going to put my love and my spirit, which is love, God is
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love in them and let them function by the law of love
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charity, which is going to go into in the next chapter
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charity. And that is if if we can't get
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that concept, then I don't know how if, if we really understand
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the gospel, if we don't understand that the love of God,
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you know, it makes us a good person towards our neighbor
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where we actually care where we're makes us a good person to
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everyone that come walks into them doors.
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It's not we're not doing our part because the leader and the
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pastor said, OK, you stand at the door tomorrow morning and
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you have put on a smile and you greet everybody.
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That's your job tomorrow. You see, that's what we do
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though. Like we tell people, you do
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this, you do that, you be that gift today and I'll be this gift
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tomorrow and we do it and it's not genuine.
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That is law. And God is still trying to get
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us to function as a created being that is on automatic, that
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is automated like a grass. It just grows because it's got
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the right soil, it's got the right nutrition, and it
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automatically brings forth fruit, which is why he says
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anything that's by the law is not fruit if dead, but anything
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of the Spirit. It's called fruit.
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So that's I think consistent with us being in one in the love
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of Christ, bringing forth fruit under God with all these
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different gifts instead of the law of mindset.
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A. 100% agree with you. Melvin yeah.
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He just elaborated on your oneness.
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So he he just got done telling us that this oneness looks like
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a body, right? So when you take that a step
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further, you think about your heart, your heart doesn't tell
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you know, your arteries or to you know, Hey, you got to do
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this or whatever. You know what I'm saying?
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Our body is not necessarily commuting.
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It just happens automatically, like so that's that's really
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good and that's the way it should be happening.
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I don't I think this here verse is just simply here because we
26:30
need to be reminded right because he is entering us into
26:35
the love chapter and showing us that love is going to be the
26:39
greatest of all. And he's just saying that this
26:43
is what oneness and unity in Christ and loving one another
26:47
looks like in Romans 12. It says in verse 15, it says
26:53
rejoice with them that rejoice and we with them that we and be
26:58
of the same mind one toward another and mine not high
27:02
things, but consent to men of low estate and be not wise in
27:06
your own conceits. And so it's obviously pointing
27:10
out that stop looking at yourself because that's what we
27:14
want to do, right? We want to look at ourselves,
27:17
and what about me, but in the body of Christ?
27:20
And when unity in Christ should look like looking to the others
27:26
and the body as a whole and not to ourselves.
27:32
Yeah. I would say this too.
27:35
It's it's like this is kind of why I said it.
27:37
What I said from the negative side, it's I would relate this
27:40
similar to 1st Corinthians 7 when he talked about married and
27:44
he said in First Corinthians 733, he said, but he that is
27:48
married careth for the things that are of the world, how he
27:51
may please his wife. Now that's not always true in
27:56
the sense that I sometimes I'm selfish and I don't think about,
28:00
I'm selfish and I think about what pleases me and not what
28:03
pleases my wife. But he's saying the, the, the
28:06
right way to be married is to care for the other person, to
28:10
love them as you love your own self.
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And I think it's similar here in that the the functioning body,
28:17
the healthy body really does suffer when the one member
28:21
suffer. It really does rejoice when the
28:24
other ones rejoicing. But that's not, that's why I
28:26
warned us like, yes, that's the right way to do it, But we don't
28:30
often do that. So I think we need to be
28:31
reminded. You should be this is this is
28:34
the right way to do it. And we often, I mean, I'm going
28:37
to speak for myself. I guess I fail in that.
28:40
I do but. Well.
28:43
For a lot of people, you know, if we're, if we struggle with
28:46
our image or we're self-conscious or self-centered,
28:49
like, you know, a lot of Christians as a whole kind of
28:52
are in a way, you know, then it's hard for somebody that is
28:56
self-centered to give honor to somebody else.
29:00
It just is, that is a, that is a almost just something that can't
29:05
happen. I see, I see it all the time,
29:08
and that's a good lesson for me. I just thought of another like
29:12
analogy and kind of the highlight of what we're talking
29:15
about. If your body members, if my body
29:18
members would have to be told what to do and it wasn't just an
29:21
automatic reaction. If it's not an automatic
29:24
reaction from my arm to come up. If I want to carry something
29:26
like I don't have to tell it and think about it and say, OK, why
29:30
didn't you pick up? I told you to your hand to go
29:32
up. When my hand doesn't go up, I go
29:35
to the doctor. My if my heart doesn't pump the
29:39
way it's supposed to, I go to the doctor and it gets told what
29:43
to do. If I can't breathe, I get put on
29:46
a breathing machine and I get told to breathe and when to
29:49
breathe and how much to breathe, how much oxygen.
29:52
And most churches today want to be on oxygen.
29:55
Yeah, Yeah. They want to be on a heart
29:59
monitor, you know, and that's what we're talking about
30:02
tonight. I thought that was pretty good
30:03
now. Yeah.
30:03
No, that's good. Like that's a good.
30:06
Analogy all right, Melvin on verse 28 and God has set some in
30:15
the church first apostles, secondary prophets, thirdly
30:18
teachers. After that miracles, then gifts
30:22
of healings helps government's diversity of diversities of
30:25
tongues. You can big as deeper a little
30:28
bit one at a time through that or the whole thing or whatever
30:31
whatever you want to talk about. I find it interesting that he
30:35
says and God has set some makes it very clear that's God's doing
30:41
the setting. And I just wonder in my own mind
30:44
when I read that against verse 11 where it says, but all these
30:49
worketh that one itself, same spirit dividing to every man
30:52
severally as he will, you know, So that's I, I guess it's
30:57
consistent, you know, as he will, he says there.
31:00
And as God has sent some of the church here, these are these
31:05
these workers of these gifts, I guess is what we're getting what
31:08
we're talking about here. And so, yeah, what about those
31:12
apostles and those prophets? Yeah, I just want to .1 thing
31:17
out before I dig into the gifts is, you know, it says first and
31:22
then secondary and 3rd, you know, and then so some people
31:26
get the mindset that that one is more important than the other.
31:30
Well, he just got done telling us that, you know, we're one
31:33
member and the the commonly the less least members are as
31:38
important as the others. So I just want to point that
31:42
out. So I don't know there's I'm
31:48
going to tear into the prophets 1.
31:51
I think I see just because it's kind of reveling in in my life
31:56
right now, not that I consider myself a prophet, but just what
32:02
I'm thinking about these days. And there's prophets in the
32:06
church and you know what? What is the role of a prophet
32:13
and what does that look like like?
32:15
So there is a lot of times when people think of prophets, they
32:20
think of, you know, there are simply hearing from God and then
32:25
they're trying to tell everyone else what God is saying that
32:28
that other person is supposed to do.
32:31
And then they use that as like manipulation, so to speak, or to
32:37
say that, well, I'm hearing from God and so I'm more holy or more
32:41
righteous or whatever. And that is not what a prophet
32:47
is or what the Bible says that a prophet is in First Corinthians
32:52
14. It gives us a very a very good a
32:57
description. And of course, I can't, you
33:00
know, go through the whole scripture or anything, but it
33:03
says that one thing that I am right in the beginning of 14
33:10
verse one. It says follow after charity and
33:13
desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophecy For
33:19
he that prophets prophesied. The verse 3 says speaketh unto
33:23
men to edification, exhortation and comfort.
33:29
So in other words, I get the picture that when someone is
33:33
prophesying it is 3 things right?
33:37
It is edification, exhortation and it is comfort.
33:42
In other words, it's not saying that I'm trying to be more
33:45
spiritual or boss people around because God is telling you these
33:50
things about. You.
33:51
Right. So that's one thing that I would
33:55
like to point out. But we know for a fact that most
33:59
times people that are prophets or say that they are prophets,
34:04
they are very black and white people.
34:07
Like they see things black and white and often times they maybe
34:12
don't have a lot of maybe as much empathy for others is the
34:18
right where maybe your comfort froze.
34:20
But that is actually what a prophet is supposed to be in the
34:25
body, right? According to the scriptures.
34:27
Another thing I find interesting in First Corinthians 14 is
34:31
talking about prophets. See if I can lay my eyes on I
34:36
should have pulled it up. It says, it says when one
34:40
prophet speaks, the other one is to be quiet.
34:45
So in other words, if a man speak, I can't lay my eyes on it
34:56
right now. Another teacher is saying, he
34:59
says that when one prophet speaks and another one gets a
35:03
word or gets something from God, that the that the first one is
35:07
supposed to be quiet and let the other one speak.
35:10
And then it also says that the prophets are supposed to judge
35:15
one another, in other words, and they're supposed to make sure
35:19
that what they are speaking is actually like according to
35:26
Scripture and according to the word of God, and most times
35:30
actually the word of God. So I don't know, it's just
35:35
really interesting. I'm going to let and or
35:40
whoever's next talk, and I'm going to speak a little bit more
35:42
about that after everyone else is done, but I have a few other
35:46
points that Light can make. I did the rotation rolling the
35:50
last time, but I'll let Aaron go ahead here and then.
35:55
The address, I actually kind of think that and I'm really, I'm
36:01
not, I don't mean anything bad by this.
36:03
I don't disagree with anything Melvin just said, but I actually
36:05
do think he is kind of in this specific place.
36:08
I think he is kind of putting a first, second and a third on it.
36:12
And, and here's why. Here's why I say that because
36:15
really if you did, if you're talking about the apostle, the
36:18
prophet and the teacher, distinguishing that from the
36:23
other ones, those are all dealing with the word
36:26
specifically and the word right, like the words of God is what
36:31
saves a person believing the word is how you get in
36:35
righteousness and putty. So I, I would say that I would
36:40
say that I kind of lean towards he is actually saying, saying it
36:45
in a first, second and third manner.
36:49
But just because of that, just because they are dealing with
36:51
the word, which is, you know, like, how shall they believe
36:56
except they hear, right? You know, So I think if you look
37:00
at that Romans, you know, when he says that how shall they hear
37:03
except they be sent and how shall they be, you know, you
37:05
know, like how shall they hear unless they have a teacher or a
37:08
preacher or whatever. So I do think that if there is
37:11
any distinguishing, which I kind of think there is, it's because
37:15
these are people that are either getting a word from God
37:20
ambassadors to go give the word or teacher someone is expounding
37:25
on the word. Like, I do think that that is
37:27
because the word, because just because you see a miracle, I
37:32
mean, doesn't let's say you saw a miracle, but didn't hear
37:38
anything about Christ. How you going to get saved?
37:41
Right. You know what I mean?
37:42
If you don't hear the gospel, if you don't hear the story, just
37:44
because you saw something miraculous happened, doesn't
37:47
necessarily mean you're going to get saved.
37:49
Just like the, the, the healings or the governments or the
37:53
whatever, the tongues, you know, I, I think that that's so like I
37:57
said that that's just, that's just what kind of came to my
38:00
mind is I do think he is. Well, like I said, I'll, I'll
38:06
say it a different way. I, that was the I'll speak
38:11
person. That was the light bulb moment.
38:14
One of the light bulb moments that I had when I actually saw
38:17
the gospel was realizing that that's where the power is,
38:21
rather than, as Andrew said earlier, just being told you do
38:26
this, you do this, here's your box, you check it, you do this.
38:29
I, I finally saw that the power, like the, the gospel has power,
38:38
the words, the actual story that is told, the powers in that
38:42
word, and I am able to to connect with that power by
38:49
believing that word. So those that are spreading that
38:54
word, that is great. That's a great deal.
38:56
Like that's extremely important. That is extremely necessary
39:00
because that's they are making that power of salvation
39:06
available by that word. So I don't, I don't know, maybe
39:10
I'm wrong. I just that's just kind of what
39:11
I thought on it, but I may be wrong.
39:13
Well, it's, you know, there, there's some kind of weight tied
39:16
to some of that because, you know, when you talk about
39:18
desiring the office of a Bishop, you know, there's this whole
39:21
criteria that's not on anyone else.
39:23
Why is that? Yeah, yeah.
39:25
You're, you're handling an extremely precious cargo.
39:28
You know, you're going to. He doesn't want to delegate that
39:32
to somebody that doesn't know something about what he's
39:34
handling. It's not so that we can line up
39:38
and say, well, hey, you know, look, I'm a I'm an apostle.
39:41
You're only a teacher. Of course you don't know.
39:43
That's not what he's at. And I would, and I would also
39:46
say this to, to kind of connect with this.
39:50
And when I say circumstance, I'm not, I'm not taken away from the
39:56
fact that God is in control. I'm just saying.
40:01
These apostles, like the 12 are, are apostles, but in a sense
40:07
because of circumstance, because they were born in the year in
40:11
which Christ is there, right? You know what I mean?
40:13
Like in other words, when they go to when they go to replace
40:17
Judas, the the thing they say is we got to have somebody that's
40:21
been here the whole time from the baptism of John until now,
40:26
right? Well, that was circumstantial in
40:29
the sense that the only guy suitable for the jobs, God's
40:33
been there, around, been around, right?
40:35
So he's, you know, a lot of these apostles are the also the
40:39
writers of the Bible because they are either they sought with
40:43
their own eyes or they wrote it because the guy that sought with
40:46
his own eyes told him the story. So that is, you know what I mean
40:51
by circumstantial. In other words, that was
40:53
nothing. That was just they are in that
40:56
position because they were born in that time, right?
41:00
You know, and that and that was extremely, you know, extremely
41:04
relevant to have men born in that time to hand down that
41:08
story and pass that on. So.
41:11
Because it was the way that that they had to broadcast.
41:15
Yeah. Well, Andrew, finally your turn
41:19
a little bit. Well, I think, I think Melvin
41:25
and Aaron are both right. So just like our body, we would
41:32
say being born is pretty significant, right?
41:36
You have to have two people get together and then God has to
41:42
form you in the womb. That's pretty significant.
41:46
Hearing the gospel is just as significant.
41:48
You got to get born again. If you don't get born again,
41:51
then we can talk all day long about how the body should
41:54
function, But if there's no body in the begin with, then we're
41:58
talking about something that doesn't exist.
42:00
So there's I would say there's significance of some of our
42:03
parts, but honor all kind of similar.
42:08
Like there's not one member above another.
42:11
That's right. But some members are more
42:12
significant than others and hearing the word.
42:16
So that's why I think they're both right.
42:20
Like hearing the word is significant.
42:23
Like if you don't hear the word, then there's no point in talking
42:25
about the body. If there's no heart, there's not
42:28
going to be a a body. So that's kind of way I would
42:32
look at that. But I was going to spend a
42:35
little time on the prophets thing as well.
42:38
Again, I think it's significant to hear the word and we have
42:43
apostles and then we have teachers and prophets.
42:46
I think prophets is actually second.
42:48
All these things are very important.
42:50
Then he gets to tongues last somehow his Norser he's thinking
42:54
no, yeah, he does on anything he gets to that last.
42:58
As far as the the category of significance, I think it's what
43:02
he's going at, not one more or less.
43:04
If I was earlier, that's not the case.
43:07
Yeah, but profits it's I think where we do the most damage,
43:12
where I think we need the most. Like Marilyn was saying, the
43:14
most damage happens in the category of profits.
43:18
Now in in let's see here in Deuteronomy 18, chapter 18,
43:28
verse 19 and 20. Actually I'll read already 22
43:33
And it says, And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not
43:35
hearken unto my words which he so speak in My name, I will
43:40
require it of him. But the prophet which shall
43:43
pursue presume to speak a word in My name which I have not
43:47
commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other
43:51
gods, even that prophet shall die.
43:55
And if thou say in thine heart, how shall we know the word which
43:58
the Lord hath not spoken? When if prophet speaketh in the
44:02
name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass.
44:07
That is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet
44:11
hath spoken presumptuously. Thou shall not be afraid of him.
44:18
So the way you can tell whether someone's a false prophet is
44:21
doesn't come to pass. You don't need to be afraid of
44:23
him. And in fact God says if he said
44:26
something that he didn't say, he needs to die like kill him and
44:30
there'll be a lot less prophets today if that was still
44:32
practice. But the the most damaging place
44:41
that really grinds me, that I think is way more prevalent than
44:45
we think is I don't know what you think about this.
44:50
Maybe I'll step on some toes. But when people say that they
44:55
read something and never knew what that meant, and then God
45:00
told me what that passage means, which which builds this
45:05
assumption that unless God tells me what I'm reading, then I
45:11
can't trust it. I can't trust the word of God
45:15
and read it and look at it and believe it.
45:18
I need God to tell me to give me.
45:21
I need a prophet. I need something more superior
45:25
to interpret this thing for me because the spirit within me
45:29
that witnesses with the Spirit that's in the word of God cannot
45:33
do it. I think when we don't understand
45:35
the passage, oftentimes more than not, it's because we're not
45:39
reading in context. We have preconceived ideas.
45:43
And if we allow, like Aaron was praying in the beginning, they
45:47
said if we allow the word of God to just to speak for itself and
45:52
to read it, a lot of times it will reveal itself to you.
45:56
But now I said all that to not say that sometimes God does show
46:02
us vividly on what passage means.
46:05
I just think a lot of false prophets, they weasel their way
46:09
in there to undermine the word of God in our minds to create
46:14
that doubt, that fear, that that thing where I can't see here, I
46:19
read all that and here God showed him what that actually
46:22
means. And it's something completely
46:23
different now. I just can't trust what I read.
46:26
Like I need to find this guy to kind of help me understand what
46:30
these passages mean. And then you just kind of lose
46:33
confidence in the word, which is exactly what a false prophet
46:37
would want you to do is you, you need me to tell you what God is
46:41
actually trying to say there. And I think that's false
46:44
prophecy. I think, I think it's an area
46:47
that nobody really touches on, but it really aggravates me when
46:51
there's there's already a lot of Bible scholars and teachers
46:56
trying to undermine the word of God where you can't just believe
46:59
what it's the way it's written. And I think that that way is
47:02
very prevalent today. Well, did did God show you what
47:06
he meant when he read that? Like you can't just read it like
47:09
God's just a horrible author. Like he doesn't know how to put
47:12
things down where he can understand you to have Prophet
47:16
telling you what it means. You know.
47:18
That activates me. Then you get a lot of help from
47:23
all kinds of different perversions of the word to, you
47:26
know, I mean, and all that different versions that argue
47:30
against each other in places and stuff like that just bring a lot
47:33
of lot of confusion. Yeah, so.
47:39
Yeah, I would. Just.
47:40
I was just. Going to say, yeah, I wasn't
47:43
trying to contradict Melvin. I was just saying, and I think
47:45
Andrew done a better job of saying what I meant to say,
47:49
like, yeah, I think it was just perspective of, you know, like I
47:52
wasn't using the right word like Andrew did.
47:54
It's, you know, it's just the relevance of spreading the
47:58
words. All I meant not that one's more
48:00
saved or whatever than the other.
48:02
I didn't mean it like that, but yeah.
48:04
Yeah. Yeah, no, that's that's good
48:07
stuff. Oh, I.
48:08
Think novel Could he wanted to share?
48:11
Who did? Nolan had said in the beginning
48:14
that he's still got something he wants to share at the end of
48:17
this. Yeah.
48:18
I mean, unless you I didn't want you want to do you want to go on
48:21
to the next one lien or what do you do?
48:22
No, I, I was going to, I was just going to make a few
48:25
comments on, on a few things that I do.
48:27
And then I, there's a couple later here that, that no one
48:30
touched on yet. But you know, like so apostles,
48:36
you know, that's one thing that, you know, we didn't really talk
48:38
about because it's not, it's not a word that we really use much,
48:42
is it? I mean, we don't, we don't call
48:44
each other apostles, do we? But, and I was just looking at
48:48
the, the literally what it means is to be a deputy, you know,
48:53
like, and when you think of a, a deputy sheriff, you know, they
48:57
carry the authority of the sheriff.
49:00
Only it's been delegated to them by the sheriff, you know, and I
49:04
think that's a, a pretty good picture in your mind's eye of
49:07
what an apostle actually is deputized by Jesus himself to go
49:11
and do what Jesus did, you know, share the Gospel, tell him about
49:14
Jesus and, and bring that kind of so, you know, I don't know,
49:17
could be other things too. I don't know what a what a, what
49:20
an apostle all all does, but I'm sure it would include most of
49:23
what Jesus did if that were the case.
49:25
That's that's what it was going to be a deputy.
49:28
You know what then obviously you, you talked about a prophet.
49:31
I appreciate that. That's again, I, I agree with
49:34
with all of you that it's probably one of the most abused
49:37
positions, if you want to call it that just because people use
49:41
it to shoehorn their will into people and say God told me this
49:45
and you better listen kind of a thing.
49:46
And they use that which is terrible.
49:48
A real prophet would never ever, they would, they would very
49:52
cautiously ever suggest that God told them singularly, you know,
49:57
that they have the answer. You don't.
49:59
I don't think a real prophet would ever actually do that even
50:03
very, very seldom. And then you have teachers.
50:08
Thirdly, there again, they're they're not much appreciated in
50:11
the church anymore. No one wants to put their
50:13
thinking hat on and and actually be taught.
50:18
They want to come to church and be made to feel good, you know,
50:20
with a kind of bubble gum preacher and where we actually
50:26
desperately need instruction, we do.
50:29
That's that's what guides us to be taught.
50:31
How can we how can we know only that that we understand what a
50:35
concept is or or what we're talking about here.
50:38
What is an apostle, you know, or what is a profit?
50:40
You guys that are wise in that you talk about that and you
50:43
instruct the rest of us that aren't and it actually helps us.
50:46
It's profitable to us because now we understand what that
50:49
actually is that you know that speeching for you right there.
50:53
But yeah, then then miracles of and the gift of healings helps
50:57
government's diversities of tongues, whatever.
51:00
I guess I'll just kind of open it up if anyone else has wants
51:03
to touch on any of those others one by one or all at once,
51:06
whatever. We got just a couple minutes
51:08
left, of course. But Melvin, do you have anything
51:11
else in? Yeah, I just wanted to say a few
51:13
thing more things about profit, just like you were saying,
51:16
Andrew, that what bothers me is how people, especially online,
51:22
they're they're prophesying all this kind of stuff.
51:24
You know, and like, for instance, the one that's most
51:27
commonly abused is prophesying when the end of the world is
51:31
going to be or when Jesus is coming back.
51:33
And we know that no one knows that, but people keep
51:35
prophesying that. But that's not when this word
51:39
prophecy is something that is happening inside the body, like
51:43
inside, you know, the body of Christ.
51:45
And what I what I find it interesting, it says in verse
51:50
first Corinthians 1429. It says let the prophet speak
51:53
two or three and let the other judge.
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In other words, there needs to be more than just one prophet
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prophesying or one person prophesying and the others need
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to be judging. Like so like there isn't just
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one person proclaiming this thing and and everybody else has
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to like listen or whatever. And then it says if anything be
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revealed to another that sitteth by let the first hold his peace.
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So in other words, and that's another thing that I noticed
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here, it says if anything be revealed, it says to be
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revealed. In other words, it's not always
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that God is speaking necessarily to that person.
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It could be, but maybe it's they got some sort of a revelation or
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revealing about a scripture or a a word, but it's not like no one
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else can interpret that scripture.
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It's just it's talking about in when the body is gathering
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together, because later it says it said for the God is not the
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Arthur of confusion, but a peace as in all the churches of the
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Saints. In other words, here in this
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context, it is referring to as the body is gathered.
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It's this is what the gifts or should look like and this is how
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it should be functioning, right? Yeah.
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And you know, the the very idea of reveal is a truth that's
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already been there. That's right.
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Let's just be uncovered. You know it's not coming up with
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this new truth. That's right.
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Maybe we're seeing it for the first time, I'll I'll admit to
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that, but that's as far as it goes.
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This is not a revealing of some brand new thing that that no one
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ever saw before. Yeah, that's good, Leon.
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I, I that is correct. Because and even if we're, if
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someone is teaching like the book of Revelations or, you
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know, any word of God that is a, a revealing or a revelation, you
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know, that is a revelation, but it's not a new revelation,
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right? Because that's the other thing
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that happens. Some people think they, they
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have to have a new revelation from God.
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Well, there is no such thing. But.
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Yeah, and how about the gift of governments?
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Just somebody that runs the day-to-day stuff in the church,
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huh? We don't talk about that one
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very much at all. That wasn't very glorious.
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Is it setting tables and, you know, sweeping floors?
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Yeah. And what about the gifts of
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health, right? That's another one that is not
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very common right and doesn't look very showy and.
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Yeah, for sure. Any other thoughts on that?
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Little bit on the end there. Are we going all the way to the
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end? I got some all the way to the
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end. Yeah, let's let's let's let's
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hit verse 30 quick and I'll let you go with this, Andrew, have
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all the gift of healing. Do all speak with tongues, do
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all interpret. You can answer that question.
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And if you want to throw in 31, you can, it says, but covet
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earnestly the best gifts and yet show I unto you a more excellent
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way. That goes on into chapter 13.
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There was a really, really good. I mean, we could keep going
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through this no problem. But Andrew, go ahead.
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Yeah, I, I think if we're humble enough to accept and embrace
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that last verse, we'll go a long way with all these gifts if we
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realize that that's not what defines us, is these gifts.
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People want to be recognized for their gifts.
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And if somebody challenges their gift, they get so offended,
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like, you know, this is my little baby, this is my pet.
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This is what displains me as my, as God talking to me.
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And this is what me and God, this is what, how I validate
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myself. And you just put your finger on
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it and said, it's not that important, you know, but God's
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going to say, I don't care if he can move a mountain.
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I don't care what you can do. I don't care if you can speak a
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million languages, if you don't have love, it does not matter.
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And here he says he's going to show us a more excellent way.
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So again, there were a lot of dividing and figuring out who is
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more significant. Is Paul more significant?
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Could he do more miracles? He do more signs Or was it a
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palace? See, it was, he was pretty good
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too. Like he got all these things
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going and he's got quite the following going on over there.
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Which one's more significant? He's saying it's not about that.
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All the gifts, if a policy might be better at something that I'm
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not, maybe season is better with another area, but it's all for
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that same one body. And you know what?
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All these gifts that we practice, that's great.
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Everybody, a whole body functions that way.
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That's good. But I'll tell you a better of
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it. I'll tell you something better,
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and it's called love. It's even better.
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Live in love. Who?
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I'm stuck. Oh yeah, Velvet thoughts on
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that? Yeah, no, I that is you hit it
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dead on. I he says, but covet earnestly
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the best gifts and then he adds on that and yet true IU more
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excellent way. So he's saying covet the more
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excellent gifts, right. But besides that, you need to,
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I'm going to show you in the next chapter a more excellent
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way, and that is to love and it because otherwise you're a
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tingling symbol and well, the the whole list, right?
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It means nothing if you don't have love.
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Yeah, we could all be without a sounding brass, Aaron.
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I'm just going to say that you're, there's no guarantee
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that you would ever get the gift of healing, but I don't care
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what member it is, they can they can have charity.
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I mean, that's. But it's not guarantee you're
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going to get whatever gift, but there you can for sure have
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charity. And if you have a gift and are
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manifesting it, it should be in love, right?
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There should be love. Tied to that matter of fact,
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he's saying if it's not, it's not it's not really a God.
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It's not what he had in mind that's right because God is
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love. That's good.
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That's good stuff. Hey, go out and practice the
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best gifts, man. I tell you what the body needs
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these just I mean, this is a good study.
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I like this. I I feel edified.
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I think this is great. And again, the law is dead, but
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the gift of life in Christ and the love of Christ is considered
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fruit. Like, yeah, the things like
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you'd see that difference, Like, yeah, yeah.
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Let that old seed sprout forth, let it grow and and put a fruit
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on your branch. You don't have to be looking
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around to try to make a fruit happen.
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Just let it let it grow, man. Let let the copy.
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Yeah, God's got this, man. We, we're going to, we, we get
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to bear the fruit somehow or another.
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Isn't that cool? All.
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Righty, that's it. We're going to cut it off right
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here and who knows what we're going to head into next week.
59:04
Hola have a little good start. About something scary we will be
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sure come back, yeah. I'm here kind of get you back.
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Next Monday night? No, that's all cool.
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We've got to work out an operation.
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Yeah, for sure. We love you.
59:20
We think this is awesome and thank you for your time,
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brothers. Appreciate it.
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I look forward to doing something next Monday night.
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Again, same time, same place. Yeah, the only thing I would say
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is check out the previous videos on this study at Simply Christ
59:37
Ministries www.simplychristmint.com for pre
59:43
courses to this some pretty good stuff.
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So anyway, thanks for listening. Thanks for your study and your
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your input. God bless you.
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Have a great week.