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The Land Of Make Believe... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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  Speaker 1: Lots to chat about today. Hi, welcome everybody. Abtishill podcast.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you're listening to. I'm Justin. Today is Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: October 1st. And based on the DMs that I get,
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  Speaker 1: I always forget that people don't listen to this podcast
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  Speaker 1: on the day that I record it. They listen later on.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's schedule's different, which I understand. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I always get DMs days or weeks after a podcast
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh yeah, like people aren't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in my mind, I think People listen to the show
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  Speaker 1: and then once the show is over, they know the
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  Speaker 1: after show happens. So they go look for it or
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  Speaker 1: they don't listen live. They listen to the Billy and
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  Speaker 1: Lisa podcast and then they listen to the companion podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which is this, the after show right after. That's not
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  Speaker 1: the case though. I have people that are like binging
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  Speaker 1: this podcast days, even months later. Sometimes I'll get DMs
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  Speaker 1: from people that are listening online. to 2023 podcasts like
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  Speaker 1: going way back way back even with becks so it's
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  Speaker 1: just interesting you know it's that's the way it goes
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  Speaker 1: everybody i appreciate everybody listening but i know you're not
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  Speaker 1: listening today a lot of you are though so welcome
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  Speaker 1: in um good show today today is bill's anniversary with
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  Speaker 1: his wife michelle i was at his wedding that was
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  Speaker 1: five five years ago five years yeah he got married
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  Speaker 1: in charlestown is it it was this this place that
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  Speaker 1: was um at a marina. I forget where it is.
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  Speaker 1: And it was beautiful. It was really, really nice. We
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  Speaker 1: had a great time. Everything happened like right in the place,
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  Speaker 1: the wedding and then the after party. Bill got wasted.
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  Speaker 1: That was funny. He was DJing and drunk. And I
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  Speaker 1: posted a bunch of stories of him wasted, like acting up,
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  Speaker 1: acting all crazy. And the next morning he woke up
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  Speaker 1: and saw them and made me take them down. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you got to take those down immediately. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love Billy, love his wife, Michelle. She is just amazing.
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  Speaker 1: She's been the best thing to ever happen to him.
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  Speaker 1: She's a good friend of mine, too. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: chat a lot about similar interests that we have around,
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  Speaker 1: you know, health, fitness, supplements, things like that, hormones. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's really, really big into those things, as am I.
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  Speaker 1: So we're always kind of going back and forth. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, always talking about Billy as well because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's the common denominator between the both of us. So
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  Speaker 1: happy anniversary, Billy. To Billy and Michelle. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: get to some talk back, see what's going on. We
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  Speaker 1: had Billy and Lisa on the show yesterday. If you
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  Speaker 1: missed that podcast, that was good.
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  Speaker 2: Why would I refuse to go to Bill Costa's house?
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  Speaker 1: Matt Siegel's never even been to Bill Costa's house. That's
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  Speaker 1: Alan the plumber there, my good friend, who's been on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast too. And yeah, Bill keeps calling me and
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  Speaker 1: saying he needs this work done at his house and
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  Speaker 1: on his boat, plumbing work. And then Alan's like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: down to go. Whenever. Just let me know. And then
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  Speaker 1: he won't say anything else about it, Billy. And then
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  Speaker 1: he'll just bring it up randomly like, oh, why won't
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  Speaker 1: your friend come? He's just being a dick about it.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully Alan will get over there. I've been to
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  Speaker 1: Bill's house. Matt Siegel. Yeah, he never was at Bill's house.
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  Speaker 1: That was always a big thing. Big thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there were many shows that were ruined because he never
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  Speaker 1: invited Matt to his house and he couldn't take it.
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  Speaker 1: Like he was he couldn't let it go. He would
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  Speaker 1: ruin the entire show. He would legit be so angry
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  Speaker 1: and just torture Billy and like say the most awful
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  Speaker 1: shit because he wasn't invited to his house. And I
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  Speaker 1: always ask Billy about that. Like, why didn't you? And
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  Speaker 1: he never really was clear about that. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: with him either. It's other people too. It's very rare
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  Speaker 1: to get invited to Billy's house. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: The house is beautiful. There was speculation that maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was because, you know, he used to have this big,
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  Speaker 1: big house in Linfield, this big mansion with his family. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that went away in his divorce. And so
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  Speaker 1: now he lives in a condo, which is beautiful in Medford,
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  Speaker 1: in an old schoolhouse. And when I tell you it's beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: it's absolutely beautiful. But maybe there's like some shame there.
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  Speaker 1: But I did ask him about that. He said, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the case. But I've been to Bill's house
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully Alan will as well. All right. What else?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Justin, I just wanted to say thanks for the
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  Speaker 2: explanation you gave in detail on the Globe article. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: you did answer my question. And I appreciate it. My
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  Speaker 2: other question is, do you have the exact name of
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  Speaker 2: the book that you just finished on Whitey Bulger? I'm
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  Speaker 2: very fascinated by his whole LA style and I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to know the name of it.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, I did
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  Speaker 1: get multiple talkbacks and DMs about this. The Whitey Bulger book.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Whitey Bulger, America's Most Wanted Gangster and the
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  Speaker 1: Manhunt That Brought Him to Justice. It's written by a
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  Speaker 1: couple of Globe reporters. Speaking of the Globe, it's really good.
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  Speaker 1: I've read all the Whitey books, but this one tells
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  Speaker 1: the whole story. But then it also talks about what
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  Speaker 1: his life on the run was like. I talked about
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  Speaker 1: that in the podcast yesterday about his girlfriend there that
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  Speaker 1: took care of him. And I had this weird, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I almost felt connected in some way.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird because she reminded me of my wife
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  Speaker 1: just because of how she loved him and took care
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  Speaker 1: of him. you know, not talking about all the murders
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. That's obviously he was a bad person. I
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  Speaker 1: know that. But it was just kind of touching to
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  Speaker 1: me in a weird way. But, you know, not touching
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  Speaker 1: was all of the awful things that he did. There
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  Speaker 1: was another part of the book that really, like, really
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  Speaker 1: kind of made me feel sick. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when they talked about these murders that he would commit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, him and his people, Kevin Weeks and Steve Fleming,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Weeks would talk about how They planned this to
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  Speaker 1: murder somebody, right? And they would bring him to this
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  Speaker 1: house in Southie where they would bury the bodies in
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  Speaker 1: the basement. And he said that leading up to the murder,
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  Speaker 1: Whitey would be like full of anxiety and kind of just–
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  Speaker 1: you could tell he was anxious. But then once he
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  Speaker 1: killed the person, he would say to them, all right,
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  Speaker 1: take care of it. Go do whatever with the body.
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  Speaker 1: Bury the body and immediately would just go upstairs, lay
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  Speaker 1: down and take a nap. Like to think about being
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  Speaker 1: able to take somebody's life and then take a nap,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's a sick person obviously. Obviously is a
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  Speaker 1: sick person. But the fact that it happened again and
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  Speaker 1: again and again, I'm like, oh my god. At one point,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Weeks is like– and I'm paraphrasing. Once again, Jimmy–
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  Speaker 1: as soon as it was done, Jimmy goes, all right, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go take a nap and just went
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  Speaker 1: upstairs and slept for a couple of hours after literally
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  Speaker 1: ending somebody's life. Just crazy, crazy. But I do recommend
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  Speaker 1: the book. It is good. And obviously it doesn't cover
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  Speaker 1: up until when he got killed because it was written
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  Speaker 1: before that, I believe 2014. But it does cover up
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  Speaker 1: until how he got caught, how he was able to
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  Speaker 1: evade police, him and the girl. And really how he
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  Speaker 1: got caught was because of her, which he knew. He
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  Speaker 1: was very, very smart. But he knew that when the
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  Speaker 1: day came, it was going to be because of her.
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  Speaker 1: Like she was the one that was going to give
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  Speaker 1: him up, not intentionally, but. Things that she liked like
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  Speaker 1: plastic surgery and beauty and dogs, which is all how
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  Speaker 1: he got caught essentially, right? It was her and him
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  Speaker 1: but her mostly paying attention to this dog on the
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  Speaker 1: street whose owner ended up seeing them on TV because
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  Speaker 1: they ran ads during the daytime where older people might
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  Speaker 1: recognize him and that's what happened. So yeah, it covers that.
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  Speaker 1: It covers how he was able to get the fake IDs.
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  Speaker 1: He would pay homeless people. for their social security numbers.
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  Speaker 1: He was very, very crafty, but, but one, one more
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  Speaker 1: interesting part. I'm sorry to give the whole book away,
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  Speaker 1: but he knew in 2011. Okay. Cause what helped him
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  Speaker 1: was two was nine 11. Okay. Because all the attention
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  Speaker 1: from the federal government went towards, you know, nine 11 terrorism,
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  Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden, and it went off of him. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why he was the, he had no attention on
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  Speaker 1: him for many years. But when Obama announced that Osama
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  Speaker 1: bin Laden had been killed, He was watching it on
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  Speaker 1: TV and he knew. He knew the attention was going
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  Speaker 1: to go right back to him and he was right
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  Speaker 1: because he got caught in 2011. So it was like
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  Speaker 1: right after. They put like I think the Department of
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  Speaker 1: Justice on it and they tracked them down. They ran
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  Speaker 1: those ads. They got a tip and went to the place,
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  Speaker 1: the Princess Eugenia. And yeah, the guy that lived next
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  Speaker 1: door to them was the building manager. They went to
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  Speaker 1: him and said, hey, you know these people? They were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know them. And boom, they let him out of
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  Speaker 1: the apartment and he was caught. So anyway. I just
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  Speaker 1: gave the whole book away. Sorry. There's so much more
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  Speaker 1: in the book. I'm sorry. I just I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk to somebody about it because my wife doesn't care
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't really talked to anybody about it. So
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  Speaker 1: the other part of her talk back. Yes, no problem.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind talking about things like, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: Maddie and everything. I went down that road. His show
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  Speaker 1: was last night. I think that from what I gather
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  Speaker 1: on the show. He did talk about me and he
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  Speaker 1: mentioned how, you know, me and him were cool. He
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  Speaker 1: has no problems with me because there were never any
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  Speaker 1: problems with him and I. I kind of was just
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  Speaker 1: put into the middle. And, you know, when the new
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  Speaker 1: show happened, I was like here and they came to
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  Speaker 1: me that you have to spearhead this. Like we it's
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  Speaker 1: a promotion for you, you know, and I think Matt
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  Speaker 1: understood that for sure. I tried my best, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to get them to talk to each other. But after
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  Speaker 1: a while, I realized that it was not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he talked about that at the show
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  Speaker 1: last night. But what I won't stand for are inaccuracies.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe he doesn't remember correctly or
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  Speaker 1: if he knows that it's not the truth. But look,
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  Speaker 1: I got the recap on the show. I heard about
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  Speaker 1: the whole crowd was chanting, fuck Billy, fuck Billy. How
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  Speaker 1: could you– I did get one talk back this morning
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  Speaker 1: from some woman. I'm not going to like play the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. It basically was like F you, Billy. Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you would do that to him. You
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  Speaker 1: went to corporate because the picture is being painted that
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  Speaker 1: he made one stupid joke and then Lisa went to corporate.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's not it's not what happened that's not what
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  Speaker 1: happened at all like not at all and then and
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  Speaker 1: then that person who have to talk back all angry
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  Speaker 1: left this follow-up talk back which I want to play
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  Speaker 1: for you right now this is an.
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  Speaker 2: Exclusive just a little continuation of my last message Billy
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  Speaker 2: Lisa comma is a bitch.
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  Speaker 1: Get ready The fuck are you going to do? Get
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  Speaker 1: out of here with those threats. Listen, they've been thriving, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have they not? I mean, look at.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're thriving. I mean, Lisa got the book club.
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  Speaker 1: She's doing very well. She's got a boyfriend. He seems
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  Speaker 1: to be, you know, happy. Billy's happier than I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen him. We're going to get the ratings on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Number one show, like, by far in the city. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they were showing us the numbers yesterday, and... It's just–
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  Speaker 1: it's really incredible and a big shout out to all
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  Speaker 1: of you guys who actually listen to the show. But
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a battle of like who's better, who's worse,
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  Speaker 1: and it just sucks that it's like a take a
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  Speaker 1: sides thing. But I also think at this point in time,
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  Speaker 1: it's like people have made the decision, right, on which
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  Speaker 1: side they stand on, which sucks. But the people that
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  Speaker 1: went to the show, like they're on his side. They
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  Speaker 1: heard his story and they're like, oh my god, like
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  Speaker 1: Billy is a fucking monster. How could you not forgive
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  Speaker 1: your best friend? How could you go to corporate? And again, again,
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  Speaker 1: I will share. This was multiple times, especially on the
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  Speaker 1: Lisa thing. Like she asked him multiple times. The narrative
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  Speaker 1: of if she could have just talked to me. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the talkbacker said. How could you just not talk
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  Speaker 1: to him? That is fucking a complete lie. Like, come on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she did talk to him and she didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to corporate. She talked to him first and he
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  Speaker 1: proceeded to say, fuck you. I invented you. This is a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just completely berated her. And she was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. And she didn't go to corporate to get
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  Speaker 1: him kicked off the show. She never thought that would
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  Speaker 1: happen because they always chose Matt's side.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: All the, all the stuff, the laws, this is all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff people don't know. The lawsuits, the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's go back. Kendra, Beck's. Gandhi, way before that, all
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  Speaker 1: the people that have come through here that have left
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  Speaker 1: on bad terms and sued, like there's so much there.
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  Speaker 1: And Matt always continued on, man, because he was the king, right?
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  Speaker 1: He was the king and he was able to like
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  Speaker 1: keep going and keep doing the show. But at this
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  Speaker 1: time when she went to corporate and said, listen, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not working here anymore and I'm in a contract, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because you have to understand you're in a contract. You
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  Speaker 1: can't just quit, okay? So Another narrative is it was
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  Speaker 1: a plan. I love this. The plan for Billy and
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  Speaker 1: Lisa to take over the show. Not correct. Not correct
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  Speaker 1: at all. The only reason that he's still not on
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  Speaker 1: the air is because of him. He would still be
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  Speaker 1: on right now. If in that moment, I shared this yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: he would have been like, you know what? I love you.
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  Speaker 1: You've worked here 20 years. I consider you a friend.
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  Speaker 1: This is your family. I won't do it again. He
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  Speaker 1: would still be on the air. But he didn't. And
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  Speaker 1: she filed a complaint to basically get out of her
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  Speaker 1: contract because she basically said, I don't want to work
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  Speaker 1: here anymore. I cannot work here anymore with him. I
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  Speaker 1: am done with it. And the company looked at the
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  Speaker 1: situation and they were honestly just done. Like they were
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  Speaker 1: finally done with it. And they were like, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: You have to retire. We'll give you the retirement. It's
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  Speaker 1: got to be recorded because we can't trust you on
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  Speaker 1: the air. And here you go. Like that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the end of it. That's exactly how it went.
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  Speaker 1: It's not this other narrative with it, which is really, really–
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  Speaker 1: really unfortunate. And I think I'm going to share this
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  Speaker 1: right here because this is just now, this is just
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  Speaker 1: my thought. Okay. This is what I think. I've never
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  Speaker 1: asked her about this, but I think the real reason,
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  Speaker 1: the real story behind the complaint and the not talking
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  Speaker 1: to him anymore was so much deeper than just those
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  Speaker 1: few jokes he said at the end. I think for
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  Speaker 1: her as a woman, that it It really bothered her
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  Speaker 1: and hurt her deeply that she did not speak up
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  Speaker 1: about the other things, about the other circumstances, the other women.
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  Speaker 1: And you heard. I mean this isn't like hearsay. The
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  Speaker 1: audio is out there. Listen to the Beck situation. You
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  Speaker 1: can hear it. Like it's bad. That was on the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Like on the radio. Like do I have to remind everybody?
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  Speaker 1: You work for me. Do you remember that moment? Turn
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  Speaker 1: your mic off. OK, when he berated her and I
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  Speaker 1: think her and the other people, the fact that Lisa
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  Speaker 1: had always just not said anything. I think that bothered
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  Speaker 1: her because this was her career and she was honestly
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  Speaker 1: probably afraid to. And that bothered her. And it really
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  Speaker 1: just like stayed deep. And I think this was finally
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  Speaker 1: the breaking point where she just did not want to
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  Speaker 1: do it anymore. And so she filed the complaints. But
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  Speaker 1: now it's become he's standing up there being like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God, like she went to corporate like you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be my friend. Or how about when he said,
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  Speaker 1: I gave you Christmas bonuses. See, everything's about money, right?
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  Speaker 1: I gave you Christmas. But how could you do that?
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, it's not true, man. It's just
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  Speaker 1: not true. So I don't know. It's an unfortunate thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that it's in everyone's best interest to
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  Speaker 1: move on. And I get Matt's side, man. I really do. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's his best friend. Like, how could you not talk
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  Speaker 1: to him anymore? I really do feel that pain. But
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  Speaker 1: I see both sides. So I understand if you don't
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  Speaker 1: know the story. If you went to that show last
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  Speaker 1: night and you heard the story, I get like the
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  Speaker 1: threatening thing. I get that because you're like, wow. Like
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  Speaker 1: how could you not forgive him? Like how could you not?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Justin, I think you're totally right that saying nothing
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  Speaker 3: about Maddie on the show drives him nuts and taking
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  Speaker 3: the high road makes Billy and Lisa look way better
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  Speaker 3: than Maddie anyway. And you're right that if someone is
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  Speaker 3: toxic to you repeatedly and then apologizes and does it
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  Speaker 3: again and again, it's never going to change. And then
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  Speaker 3: no one should feel bad for not accepting his apology
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  Speaker 3: because it was too little, too late.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really, really great point, Angela. And that really
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  Speaker 1: basically answers the, the why, the why, like why hasn't
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  Speaker 1: he accepted his apology? Why hasn't he talked to him?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And it's really that like when you hear Billy really
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: talk about it, which he never has done publicly, like
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: he chooses not to address it because that's what he wants.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: He wants it to keep going. You know, I'm tempted,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: believe me, I almost did it yesterday. I'm tempted to
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: pull Billy on the after show and get him talking,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: but I don't, I don't want to do that to
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: him and he doesn't want it either. Like he's got
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to move on and there had been so many apologies
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and there had been so many moments of like abuse essentially, right?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Just taking it over and over and over and over
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: again and his wife took a lot of heat last
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: night too I guess because she– Michelle is great but
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: that was one of her things with Billy is she
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: did not like that he was a pushover and her
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: goal still is to get Billy to stand up. He's non-confrontational.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: We know that. You know that if you listen to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: the show for a long time. You had the two guys, right?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: You had Matt who was like the bad guy. Like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you know, he would– he'd protect Billy. You know, Billy never,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: ever like– remember one time? Who was it? There was
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: another radio show that took shots at Billy. I forget
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: who it was. And Matt went ballistic. I mean, you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: want to have Matt as a friend in that moment.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: He went ballistic. Billy didn't say anything. He's just that
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: type of dude. If you talk to him in person one-on-one,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But he's not going to go talking about
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: drama and confront you. He's just not that type of person.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: So his wife has been trying to get him to
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: be more assertive. Don't let people take advantage of you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And I think for her, watching their relationship, she kept
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: telling him this isn't right. Like what he's doing is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: not right. How he's treating you is not right. There
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was stuff with their wedding that was said on the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: air about really, really personal stuff. That was, I mean,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it is so fucking deep, man. All this stuff is so,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: so deep. So yeah, I mean, for, for Billy, honestly,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: if he didn't, if his wife say he wasn't married
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and then, because the thing of it, right, he has
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: his wife, Michelle, who he loves more than anything, who
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is trying to get his back and try and, to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: get him to, to like, you know, stand up. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: then you have Lisa, right? So Billy's kind of like
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: in the middle of that. And honestly, he just, he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: made a comment one time that like, it was, he
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just felt free. And I thought that was really telling.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Like when it all happened, he was like, I just,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I just feel free. And I was like, that pretty
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: much sums it up. You know, if you're not happy
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in a relationship, then get out of it. And I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: think that was That was it. There was multiple things
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: going on, right? There was Lisa thing, but then him
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and Matt were not talking for like the last several weeks.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: There was a big incident at a wedding. So they
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: weren't talking at all. Literally, they were doing the show
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: together and only talking on the air. When the mics
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: went off, they weren't talking. And the last thing that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: was said, ready for this one? The last thing that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: was said between the two of them was Matt said
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to him, I don't see how this friendship can continue.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. And Billy goes, well, I don't either.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And he hung up the phone and they have not
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: spoken since. Because I'm sure when Matt said that, he
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: was thinking, this really isn't going to happen. Like, what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: do you mean? I'm just going to call you tomorrow.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: We're going to make up. It was just too deep.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: It was just too deep. So yeah, I mean, if
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you went to the show last night, I hope you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Just know if you heard this podcast that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: not all of it is true. And again, I have
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to say it again. I'm not really on either side. side.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the middle because I wasn't treated
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: badly at all, at all. You know, I looked up
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to Matt, you know, he was always great to me.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: He gave me the opportunity. He always supported me. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: so when it all came out, it was like I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: was in the middle of it. And, you know, this
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is my career, right? Like he's in Florida. He's retired.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Like what am I supposed to do? I love Billy
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and Lisa too. I love all of them. They've all
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: been great. These are people that I fucking grew up
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: listening to, that I used to be in jail listening
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to the show. I used to listen to the Maddie
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: in the Morning show when I was in jail because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I just liked radio and I really liked how the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: show was done. I liked Billy's entertainment. I liked Matt's humor.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So I would listen to it and I would study
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the way the show was ran and the way the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: clock went. I knew the exact times the segments would air.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I was locked in on the show, you know, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I never thought that I would ever work here, right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: That was like, I was a three-time loser, right? I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: was in jail again, right? Again, I had multiple felonies
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: on my record. There was no chance, you know, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: then as time went on and I got clean, you
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: know the story, right? I got an internship and I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: worked my way up and I've talked the story, told
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the stories about with Matt, right? Like him interviewing Bono
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and inviting me to go and then walking out of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the radio station with him and him saying to me, like,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to work for me. I like you. You're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: going to work for me. There's something in you that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I want and you're going to work on my team.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I've talked about that. I've talked about when he called
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: me to offer me the job, right? And I was
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: on speakerphone and he's like, you know, I want you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to work for me. And I said to him and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I started to like well up. My wife's crying, right?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And I go, I just want you to know I'm
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: going to be the best. Like I'm going to work
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: so hard for you. Like you're not going to regret this.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You're not going to regret it, Matty. And he goes
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in classic fashion, he goes– buddy, I already offered you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the job. You're not going to sell yourself on the job.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You got it. There's no need to sell yourself. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they just lightened up the mood real quick. So I've
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: shared those moments and I'll always cherish those moments. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go for the slander stuff. I'm
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: not going to go down that road of lies and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: stuff that's just not true because it ain't. You got
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to live an honest life, man. And again, I'll just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: finish by saying I just wish that It does suck
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that a friendship or friendships were lost and they were
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: broken and a lot goes into that. But I feel
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like Billy and Lisa are succeeding in the show, right?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Our show is doing amazing, like really, really well. We
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: were the number one show. Last quarter, about to be
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: number one again. They were showing us yesterday these charts
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of like the listening. And they're like, dude, you guys
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: are the hottest show in Boston. So people are liking
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the show. They're liking the product that we deliver every day.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And on the other side, you have Matt, who is
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a legend, a radio legend, who worked his whole career,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was able to get the retirement. Not that he wanted,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but he still retired. He got the Hall of Fame
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: after he retired. National. And that's what he wanted.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: National.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: He got the National Hall of Fame. Two-time Marconi Award winner. Beloved.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: In the city of Boston, why can't that be enough?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Why can't he enjoy his life in Florida? Why did
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he come back and do another Wilbur show and do
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: these podcasts and ruffle all these feathers and on top
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of all that create lies? For what? For the 600
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: people that can sit in the Wilbur and say, fuck Billy?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: For this fucking loser?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Just a little continuation of my last message. Billy Lisa
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Kama is a bitch.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Shut up. It's like, yeah, I'm not going to play
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the first talk back, but it was so brutal. It
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was like, you are fucking coward, Billy and Lisa. How
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: could you go to corporate? All you had to do
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was talk to him like you have no idea. Now, OK,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I'm some anger there. But but really, I listen. She
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't know. She doesn't know. She went to a show
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and heard her hero, her idol, a person she listened
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to for decades telling a story. Of course, she's going
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to take his side. So I understand that. I just
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: don't like her tone there. Kind of bothers me. Like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: what are you really going to do? Get ready for karma. Well,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: if they haven't hit the karma, it's been fucking four
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: or five years since he's been gone and they've only
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: been going up since then. So I think they're going
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to be okay. I'm pretty sure they're going to be okay. So,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: oh boy. God, can we let this ship sail, please?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Can now, can now it go on where like the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: show goes on and he goes on and everything's all good.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he doesn't do a podcast. People
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: say that all the time. He probably doesn't want to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: do the work. But also he wants to get paid.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: He doesn't really understand. That's the thing. He doesn't understand
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that to make a podcast and get paid for it,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you need to like really build up the show. You
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: don't just start a podcast and get advertising and get sponsors. Maybe,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but not the amount of money that he's probably looking for.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But he can still do one. He can still set
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: up and do an hour-long podcast a week. He could.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He could. He could like do Patreon and people would pay.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: To listen to him and he could rant about different
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: things like he did on the show every single day.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He should just do that, man, and have that connection
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: with the people that follow him and love him because
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of them, clearly. So, yeah. I'm going
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to put this bit to bed now. I'm going to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: do my best. I know you might send talkbacks. Maybe
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I'll play them. Maybe I won't. All I know is
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the Topsfield Fair is going down Saturday and I'm going.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And we're going to Canobie to the Haunted Houses. This
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is going to be a full day. Full family day.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: By the end of it, I'll be ready to go
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: home and go to bed. But it's going to be good.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So don't forget, Jingle Ball tickets on sale tomorrow at noon.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: There's not going to be a ton left, to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: honest with you. We have the Capital One pre-sale, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: then we have the VIP sale going on if you're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a Kiss Club member. Hot ticket. So the good news
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: is we're going to have tickets on the show leading
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: up to the show, till December 13th. Every morning at 710,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: there'll be a pair of tickets. Not tomorrow. Not tomorrow,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: but after that. At 7.10 every day, we'll have tickets
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to the show. And then, yeah. And then next week,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm doing my race, which I think I'm ready for.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I did a little more than a half simulation of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the race yesterday at my gym, and I had pretty
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: good time. I mean, it's hard, man. It's hard. I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it's like a marathon with obstacles is the best way
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to describe it. So it's eight one-kilometer runs. In between,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you're doing functional stations. So Run a kilometer, which a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: kilometer is 0.6 of a mile, if you didn't know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So it's run a kilometer, 1,000 meters on the SkiErg machine.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Run a kilometer, sled push. Run a kilometer, sled pull.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Run a kilometer, burpee broad jumps. Run a kilometer, row.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Run a kilometer, it just keeps going on. So there's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: eight runs, eight stations. And it ends with the last
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: two stations, which are in between runs, which are lunges
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and wall balls, 100 wall balls. So the training has
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: been super intense. It's building endurance. It's definitely like learning
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to run on tired legs. See, most people can run.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of people can run. That's fine. They run marathons,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: long distance. But being able to run on tired legs
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: when your legs are just fried is a tough, tough thing.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But I think I did pretty good. I think I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: did pretty good. I'm just trying to get through it,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: not cramp up. And it's my first one. So I'm
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: not really setting a goal time. I have an idea
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of a time that I would like, which would be
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: 90 minutes. I'd like to do an hour and a half.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But anywhere between an hour and a half and two
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: hours is what I'm looking for. So I'm going to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: work out all this week and then– oh, and next week,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: kind of take it easy and then the week after,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: rest up until– well, when is it? Let me see.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Today is the first– oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I'll
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: work up until Sunday. Sunday will be my last hard
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: training session and then I go into like rest. Light bike. massage, stretching, mobility,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: all leading up to next Sunday. My race is at
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: 1 o'clock. So if you're going to High Rocks, I'll
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be there Saturday night because I'm going to watch the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: men's pro double race, and then I'll be there Sunday
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: at 1 o'clock because I met that kid. I don't
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: know if I shared this or not, but Billy's wife's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: business partner has a son. He's an elite High Rocks athlete.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: He came in. I met him like a month ago.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: He's doing three races. Okay, so that goes to show
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you how fit this kid is. He's doing three races
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: during the weekend, including men's pro doubles, which is what
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I'm doing Saturday night. So I'm going to go watch
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: him because he said, come watch. You want to see
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the track, see the race, see the stations. And he's like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and watch how I do it with my partner. I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: think it would help you. And I'm like, yes. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we're going Saturday night to watch. And then Sunday we'll
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: be racing. I think that's about it. Just under 30 minutes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: If I go over 30 minutes, I have to put
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: another commercial in because I have to add, you have
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to add a commercial every 10 minutes, but you didn't
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: know that. So when you hear the stupid commercial, which
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I know are annoying and I, and I appreciate you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: sticking with it, even with the commercials, but every 10
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: minutes I have to add one and I'm at 20,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: almost 29 minutes. So I'm going to wrap this up.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I love you guys so much again. Thank you for
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: sticking with our show. Thank you for sticking with our podcast.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: We put a lot into this show. We put our
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: hearts and soul into it every single day. And I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: always say it's okay if you don't like– someone doesn't
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like the show. You don't have to listen. But the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: insults and all that stuff is just not necessary. Life
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: is too short for all that stuff. So be well
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and tomorrow is Friday. I'll check in even on a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Friday show. See you.