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Wired To Hunt Podcast #133: Hunting Late Season Deer & the Decision to Shoot or Pass · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one thirty three,
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  Speaker 1: Tan's show, Dan and I are covering a whole variety
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  Speaker 1: of topics. We talk late season hunting, tips for specifically
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  Speaker 1: targeting doze, the complicated decision of choosing to shoot or
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  Speaker 1: pass a deer, and much much more. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Let's Sick
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  Speaker 1: of Gear. And Today on the show, it's just me
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  Speaker 1: and my co host Dan Johnson, and we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about a whole bunch of different things. Potentially, we
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  Speaker 1: could talk about late season deer hunting. We might be
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  Speaker 1: talking about hunting does, We're gonna be talking about hunting
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  Speaker 1: for one specific buck, We're gonna be talking about my
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  Speaker 1: newest nickname, and probably a whole lot more. Uh So, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: we're shooting from the hip today. There's a couple ideas
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  Speaker 1: from me. What what do you want to talk about?
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  Speaker 1: Um monster trucks, um sandwiches. I like that these are
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  Speaker 1: just two things that I don't know why. But when
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  Speaker 1: you ask me, those were the first two things that
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  Speaker 1: popped into my head. So if we could maybe incorporate
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  Speaker 1: those together, that might even be like watch eating a
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  Speaker 1: sandwich while watching monster Trucks. I don't know. I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to psychoanalyze why those were the two things that popped
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  Speaker 1: up first in your mind, what that might mean about you,
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  Speaker 1: or we could just uh stick to hunting. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: fine with me too. Yeah, I want to start with
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  Speaker 1: sandwiches because last night I had a really good sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: We we're gonna make this kind of Belgian stew it's
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  Speaker 1: called a carbonade um. But the roast I took out,
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  Speaker 1: the venison roast I took out ended up not having
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  Speaker 1: nearly as much meat as we thought, and so we
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  Speaker 1: didn't really have enough to make a really big stew.
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  Speaker 1: So I just took that meat instead and then sliced
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  Speaker 1: up into small pieces and saute that in the cast
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  Speaker 1: iron pan with some onions, and then I cooked. I
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  Speaker 1: have these little, like frozen French loaves that are about
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  Speaker 1: the size of like a sub bun maybe um, maybe
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  Speaker 1: like six seven inches long, and I cooked baked one
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  Speaker 1: of those in the oven, split that down the middle,
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  Speaker 1: laid out this fried venison steak and onions, melted, two
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  Speaker 1: slices of monster cheese over top, and then I made
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  Speaker 1: a saracha mayo combo and slather that on one side.
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  Speaker 1: And it was an epic sandwich. Nice. I do the
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  Speaker 1: same thing similar with my canned dear meat. My mom
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  Speaker 1: canned my buck. My buck went into well, I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say hundred. We cut the ribs out, we cut the
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  Speaker 1: back straps out. I saved a couple um steaks or roasts,
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  Speaker 1: but um, the rest of it was canned. We cubed
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  Speaker 1: almost all of it and canned it. And then she
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  Speaker 1: she pressure cooks it. Oh, it is ridiculously tender. Worm
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  Speaker 1: it up in a sautee, you know, sautee it with
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  Speaker 1: some barbecue sauce and you know whatever extra spices that
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  Speaker 1: you want to add in there. And then uh, kind
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  Speaker 1: of the same thing, but just with bread toast some bread,
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  Speaker 1: that mixture of the deer meat goes on there, some cheese,
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  Speaker 1: and you got yourself a dear meat sandwich. Wow, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's ridiculously good. So if anybody's out there ever thinking
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  Speaker 1: about canning dear meat, do it? Do you do anything?
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  Speaker 1: Else the other than use it for sandwich meat and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you take that and use it for
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  Speaker 1: ste meat or for ste meat anything, any thing? Tacos
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  Speaker 1: um enchilada's let's see what else do we do with it? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Just eat it, you know, right out of the right
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  Speaker 1: out of the can, and slice it cold with no
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  Speaker 1: and you know, put it in a piece of white bread.
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  Speaker 1: I mean anything. You can do anything with it, never
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  Speaker 1: so tender. Yeah, well I'll bring up if you come
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  Speaker 1: to Iowa to shed hunt, I'll bring some over. Sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I want to try it. I've heard I've heard people
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  Speaker 1: say good things about it, but um that's I had
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  Speaker 1: no idea that you guys did that. Yeah, very interesting
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  Speaker 1: and I like doing it that way because my wife
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  Speaker 1: actually eats it that way. Um, so put a bullying
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  Speaker 1: when you're canning it, you put a Boolean cube into
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  Speaker 1: the into the jar with the meat and some extra
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  Speaker 1: like salt and pepper and onion powder and some garlic
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  Speaker 1: powder and stuff. And then you know, you get her
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  Speaker 1: all ready, can it and let it set, let the
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  Speaker 1: let it seal, and then you can. It doesn't take
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  Speaker 1: up any freezer space, so it could just sit in
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  Speaker 1: your cupboard. Yeah, that's nice. Speaking of boying, I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: going to start trying to shoot a couple of dolls
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  Speaker 1: here in the next well yeah, well it could be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: If not that then will probably after Christmas. But here
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  Speaker 1: in the next week and a half, I'm gonna shoot
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  Speaker 1: a couple of doughs. And one of the things I
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  Speaker 1: want to do is I'm gonna butcher those myself. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to make venison stock. We've never made our
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  Speaker 1: own stock before, and I'm going to try to make
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  Speaker 1: that so that instead of using beef broth or whatever
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  Speaker 1: in the future, we'll just have our own homemade venison stock.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of pumped about that. Yeah. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, uh, my stepdad just earlier this year when
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  Speaker 1: I was down for a weekend of hunting, cooked on
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  Speaker 1: a Saturday, eight hours in the oven side of deer ribs.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of meat, but the meat that's on there,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my lord, amaze the game. The You know how
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you can tell, hey, this is dear meat because
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  Speaker 1: it has a little bit extra gam nous to it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I say gaminess to those people who
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  Speaker 1: may not like dear meat. They say it's really gamey. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's that gamey, but the uh it is,
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  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. How do you go about doing that? Because
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  Speaker 1: I've always heard the issue is that there's not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fat on the ribs and it's just very
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  Speaker 1: little meat too, so it's just like tough and not
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  Speaker 1: much to work with. But I do know, I do
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  Speaker 1: know some people can I've heard of people doing it. Well, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he puts on a really nice rub and then he
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  Speaker 1: puts it in, he puts it in the oven and
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  Speaker 1: then he puts tinfoil over top of it, so the
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  Speaker 1: moisture that's in there is sealed and it just kind
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  Speaker 1: of recirculates back into the meat and out back into
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  Speaker 1: meat and nowt and it is it just I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it turns out really good, like hunter gatherer cook guy
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  Speaker 1: what's his name, hank Shaw. Hank Shaw says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you cook, you know, if you cook the ship
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  Speaker 1: out of stuff long enough, it's gonna get tender. So
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did with it. And um my
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  Speaker 1: buck ribs or I'm looking forward to cooking those because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of meat on on that guy's ribs.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool. A lot of guys don't even save the
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  Speaker 1: room meat either they just scrap it or they throw
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  Speaker 1: on the grindpile and grind up some of it. But
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting, very interesting. So did you just save each
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  Speaker 1: side or just split it in two and have four
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  Speaker 1: chunks or what you do? Well, we saved each side,
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  Speaker 1: so it's two big chunks, but when we go to
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  Speaker 1: cook it, we'll cut it in half. And um, either
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  Speaker 1: cut it in half or try to find a pain
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  Speaker 1: big enough to put all of them in at one time.
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  Speaker 1: You can typically only fit one in an oven at
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  Speaker 1: a time, I guess, but you know, depending on how
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  Speaker 1: big your oven is. Yeah. Interesting, Well this has gotten
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  Speaker 1: me even more excited because I have been at this
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  Speaker 1: time of year every year. I you know, I usually
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  Speaker 1: have shifted from not always, but usually shifted from targeting
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  Speaker 1: mature buck and uses just food time. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: to to get a couple of dolls down and to
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  Speaker 1: go to the whole process of breaking down myself. And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of fun. Like I always find
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  Speaker 1: that in for whatever reason, usually in October or November,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so busy with all the hunts and everything that
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  Speaker 1: I always feel rushed and I don't have enough time
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy the process of processing my own deer. But
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  Speaker 1: now it's like I'm able to take a deep breath
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  Speaker 1: and like you go into the evening knowing, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing one thing only, and that's shooting a dough and
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  Speaker 1: then tonight I'm gonna be processing that dough. And like
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  Speaker 1: when I'm mentally prepared for it, I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited to do that here soon. I might
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  Speaker 1: go out tomorrow night, I might do that. It's really cool,
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  Speaker 1: like processing it is part of the whole circle for me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like and then I just sit there with
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  Speaker 1: my stepdad and b S for a while to have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of beers while we're you know, breaking down
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  Speaker 1: the carcass and uh. And then it was cool because
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  Speaker 1: after that the next day, um, when I canned it
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  Speaker 1: with my mom, you know, sat their conversation and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it's something that at my age with my kids.
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  Speaker 1: And what's that age again, thirty six dog? For some reasons,
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  Speaker 1: I thought there was a four in the beginning. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not that old. I'll still beat an ass or to
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. At least try but uh
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  Speaker 1: but no, the uh. But you know, it's cool just
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  Speaker 1: the whole break. You know, I don't ever get to
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  Speaker 1: sit down and have conversations with those people really anymore
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  Speaker 1: because I'm so focused on my own family. So it's
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  Speaker 1: really cool to sit down and have those conversations and
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  Speaker 1: have that time with family members who you don't typically
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with, you know what I mean. Definitely,
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  Speaker 1: I've got something kind of like that. Like when my
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  Speaker 1: dad and I go up to our northern Michigan property,
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  Speaker 1: up to deer camp or up to do some work
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  Speaker 1: up there. That's like one of those few times where
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  Speaker 1: we're in the car for you know, two or three
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  Speaker 1: hours usually just us, and that's a cool excuse to
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  Speaker 1: just have some long talks, which is which is good
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  Speaker 1: to talk about today? Does or something we're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about killing dose. I thought we could talk about, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hunting mature bucks at the late and late
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  Speaker 1: season when it got one in particular, I thought we
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  Speaker 1: the guys who listened to the podcast, I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about holy Field a second. Yeah, we can do that,
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  Speaker 1: can get back to the show and answer Dan's question
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  Speaker 1: and discuss the latest with holy Field. Okay, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to use the term given up on him,
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  Speaker 1: but you've you've had a change of thought towards this
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  Speaker 1: Lace Seeds late season hunt for holy Field, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you know, it's just a continuation of
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  Speaker 1: where we were last time when we talked about this. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And I'll kind of I'll bring everyone up to speed
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't read the article or follow what's been
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  Speaker 1: going on recently. But um, but yeah, so last time
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  Speaker 1: we talked, it had been right towards the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: when I started to have this weird kind of shift
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  Speaker 1: in mindset with this buck. Um. You know, he'd made
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  Speaker 1: it through the guns season, he made it through the rut.
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  Speaker 1: It was December, and all of a sudden he showed
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  Speaker 1: back up. He was here. And I still can't explain
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  Speaker 1: exactly why the change happened, because in all the years passed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've hunted single specific box for multiple years before,
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  Speaker 1: and I've still had the desire to kill them late
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  Speaker 1: into the year. Um. You know, a buck a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago, six shooter I killed in mid December. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but forever reason with this deer, the idea of him
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  Speaker 1: being around in two thousands seventeen just ended up being
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  Speaker 1: for a whole bunch of different reasons. I started feeling
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  Speaker 1: more and more like a didn't want to shoot him.
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  Speaker 1: No One of those was I didn't want the hunt
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  Speaker 1: to end. I was just enjoying seeing this dear so much,
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  Speaker 1: and the idea of ending it now almost seemed like
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  Speaker 1: anti climatic in my own head, like I already killed
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  Speaker 1: two bucks, I'm going to kill a few doughes. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I've had a great season. And it was almost like
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  Speaker 1: like like selfish, almost like I don't need to kill
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  Speaker 1: this deer now. Um. And I don't know, I mean
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  Speaker 1: he I still have a have a hard time still
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  Speaker 1: articulating all these things, but it just more and more
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  Speaker 1: felt like I just didn't have that drive to kill
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  Speaker 1: him now. Um. So that said, you and me talked
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  Speaker 1: about this. I talked with some friends, you know, tried
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  Speaker 1: to kind of talk all of these feelings out in
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  Speaker 1: my head, trying to like figure out what I want
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  Speaker 1: to do. Part of me was feeling all these things.
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  Speaker 1: Another part of me was like, well, he could get
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  Speaker 1: killed by somebody else, he could die over the winter. Um,
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  Speaker 1: everyone thinks you're an idiot for doing this. Dan thinks
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  Speaker 1: for crazy, um, you know all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, a bird in the hand is better
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  Speaker 1: than two in the bush or whatever. Um. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: when we talked on the podcast last time. The idea
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  Speaker 1: I had was, well, maybe I'll leave it up to
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  Speaker 1: fate and I'll hunt with a bow, and if he
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  Speaker 1: comes with the bow range, it was meant to be.
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  Speaker 1: If he doesn't come within bow range, it wasn't meant
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  Speaker 1: to be. UM. So I went out a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times like that, and the first two times I went
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  Speaker 1: out and didn't see him. Um. The third time I
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  Speaker 1: went out, I was like the first two times, I
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  Speaker 1: just sat in like an observation stand, basically like it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is these hunts. When I went
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  Speaker 1: out there, I wasn't even like, as I'm looking back
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  Speaker 1: on it now, I just I was going through the
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  Speaker 1: motions in deep in my heart. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: kill him anymore, but I was like, I have to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be out here. People expect me to
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  Speaker 1: be like to do this, just like this is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do. So I went out there with
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  Speaker 1: a bow. But I sat in my box blind the
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  Speaker 1: first two nights, which is not in a good spot
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  Speaker 1: to kill him with a bow. Um. But I was
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  Speaker 1: I just want to see if I'll see him here. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And so I did and I didn't um. But then
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  Speaker 1: the next time I went out, it was Monday, last Monday,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a great set up. It was these
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  Speaker 1: frigid temperatures moved in, there was snow on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: I was over the great late season food source. I
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  Speaker 1: was sitting in my haybell blind and I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: out there. I was like, this could really happen, Like
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I felt like there was
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: a very strong chance he could come into this food plot.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He'd been there in daylight a few days beforehand UM,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and I sat there holding my bow. Every deer that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: came out, I was like, is it gonna be him?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Is it gonna be him? But I realized it wasn't
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: like in October and November, when I was like, you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: praying and hoping, like oh my gosh, please out be him,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Please let him. It was actually, please let not be him.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Every time it was a dough or some other deer.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay. And when it finally got dark
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and the hunt was done, I was relieved. And I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: sat there thinking about this and I was like, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: just trying to process this all in my head. I'm like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: why am. I relieved, like I don't need I don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: want to kill this buck now, I just I don't know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just don't. And I
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was like the logical side of my mind was trying
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to tell myself all the reasons why I still should
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and all the voices in the behind, you know, all
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the voices in the whatever you call it, um, you
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: know what people are gonna say or what people would
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: say I should do, or what I should do based
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: on what I've been doing. Um. But I went back
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in that night and I was just sitting there in
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the kitchen talking with Kylie, my wife, about it, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I was like just talking to her about how just this,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like how I don't really want to do it, but
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I should. And then she's like, all right, well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like what what are the reasons why you should? What
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: are the reasons why you shouldn't. And I explained all
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I didn't think I wanted to shoot
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: him anymore. And basically it was because that's how I felt,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: That's what my gut was telling me. I you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'd had a great experience and now I just didn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: feel like I needed to kill him any more. The
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: reasons why I thought I should was stuff like, well,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it would be good for the blog, it would be
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: good to talk about, you know, or it would be
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like the right way to end this this hunt, because
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: what a bummer would be if I didn't end up
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: killing him. And as I was saying these things, it
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: made me and her like like make a face, like
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I sounded like an asshole when I was saying that,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's not why hunt. I don't hunt
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because of what other people think. Or I'm not going
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to kill a deer just because that's what quote unquote
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you should do. And so as I was saying that,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is stupid, Like I know what
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: my guts telling me. I know, and this sounds all woo.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And I know people out there think I'm crazy, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: people don't. There's people that are mad at me. Dan.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I've gotten some comments and stuff like people think I'm
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a jerk um as I've tried to explain this, but
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I've just it just that's what I felt. And I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: not gonna kill a buck just to kill buck because
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do. If I don't have that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: pure clarity of mind and conviction of that I'm not
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: going to kill an animal just because you're supposed to.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So do I want to shoot and hunt this deer someday? Yeah?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I still want to hunt this deer. And if I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: fortunate enough that he's still around next year, that would
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: be incredible. And I'm gonna hunt that deer and it's
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. But it just didn't seem like the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: right thing to do now. For whatever reason, now, it
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: didn't feel right. So that was last Monday, and me
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and Kylie talked about I said, I'm not going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: shoot him. I love to, though still see him, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I'd love to have an encounter in which, like if
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I had wanted to, I could have shot him, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: if I really was It was like a thing for myself,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like Okay, yeah, I've chosen not to, but could I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, if if could, I put myself in a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: position too. So it's muzzleloader season, so I thought, all right,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna go out and I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: gonna sit in my redneck blind where I think is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the best chance if I wanted to kill him with
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a muzzloader. And it was during muzzlover season. If I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: sat there, what, I've gotten a shot, and that's I thought,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I'll sit there. It'll be fun to watch him, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it would be fun to the hypothetical. Um. And so
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I went out last Friday and I just sat there
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and I brought my bow actually because I thought I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: might shoot a dough. But I sat there with that,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: sitting on the ground, and I had the camera right
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in front of me, and my plan was just a film.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I kept the windows closed. I just chilled out and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: just watched and kind of just enjoyed it, knowing with
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: no pressure anymore, with no you know, none of that,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Am I gonna shoot him? I Am not going to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: shoot him. It was just it was just cool to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be on confident and okay with my decision and just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: see what happened. And of course, right at last light,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: here he comes, and he came out and came into
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the food plot for the first time. Um, well since
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I've been, you know, trying to see him, other than
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that one time with the bow when he come running
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: through and uh walked out there sixty five yards And
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: if I had wanted to shoot him, and if I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: had my gun, it would have been an easy, easy shot,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and the store would have been done. Um. That was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: kind of cool. It was cool to know that if
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to, I could have, but instead I just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: had shows that week to watch him and I was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: able to do that and get a little film and um,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and I feel really good about it. I'm excited about it,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm just really stoked to find his sheds this year.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Hopeful I'm gonna do. I've never gone to a shed season,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so I'm excited to try to find one. Dear's anilers.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So so that's where that's where things stand. Well, the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: cool thing about this is to the to the people
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: who maybe are upset with you, which is blows my
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: mind that they could be angry about a decision that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not theirs, but it this is just another reason why
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: everybody hunts for different reasons. But the kill is not
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the most important part of the quote unquote hunt, right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It's just I think I think every hunter is on
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a different level when it comes to you know, when
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it comes I guess their style or or or their
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: kind of hunting. And if they're if you know, maybe
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they're into the hey I gotta kill something every year,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: or my buddies will think I'm a bad hunter, or
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'll get shipped from my family or whatever. Or are
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they the kind of people who they go out expecting
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to kill and they get mad if they don't, or
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: if they're the kind of people who sit in a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: tree stand and just love nature and love observing nature,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and um, you know that's not for me and you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: or anybody else to judge, but I do think that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is it's cool that you had a little bit of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a change of heart and that you decided, you know what,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna let it ride and see what
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: happens because you are now, in my opinion, an example
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in uh I'll use a state like Michigan for an example,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: where a lot of hunters live by the it's brown,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it's down motto, and the quality of deer are not
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you know where other states are. So now you've led
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a four year old ride, right, he's gonna if he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: makes it through, he's gonna be five. Right. So, so
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you've now walked the walk. In my opinion, you talked
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to talk and now you've walked the walk, and now
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: hopefully you can be maybe an inspiration to other hunters
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: who feel that they have to kill some kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: buck for you know, as a status, or it means that, hey,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a good hunter because I killed a fourcorn or
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I killed a two year old, you know, or you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: know whatever you've said. You know, you don't want Michigan
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to be uh um Brown, it's downstate. You've walked the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: walk now, so now maybe you can allow that will
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: allow other people to say, you know what, I might
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: follow Mark Kenyon's lead and I might uh you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I might just go shoot a dough instead of killing
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a young buck. Yeah, it's interesting to bring that up, um,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: because I think one of the big things that I've
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: taken out of this um and it's um kind of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: related to what you said, because as I've been going
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: through this, like inevitably, I've gotten lots of feedback from
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: lots of people, you know, because by default, but because
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I share so much, right I I'm putting myself up
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: there to be judged, and people are gonna let their
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: opinions be known. And I am a human being and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: so it I like, I shouldn't let it bother me,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: but it does sometimes. So I constantly to tell myself
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: let that stuff go in one ear on the other um,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But because I've been getting people telling me what I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: should do or what I've chosen to do is stupid
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or blah blah blah, it has given me a new
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: appreciation for the respect that I think we need to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: show all hunters, for each of us being able to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: hunt your own hunt, right, I think we all need
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to And and maybe I'm guilty of this sometimes too.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I probably have looked at someone who shot a year
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and a half old and being like, oh, why did
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you do that? Blah blah blah, And for for what
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I want to have a hunt or my goals, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: would like to see if you were young deer killed,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, so and so that might
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: be what is the right hunt for him. And this
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: was one of those examples. This experience for me put
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: me on the other end of that where now I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was being judged for what I was choosing, and I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: kind of was like, WHOA, Like, I don't want someone
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: telling me if I should shoot or not shoot. This
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: is something that only I can decide um. And that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: kind of opened my eyes a little bit too to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the other side of the coin too. So I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: for me, the big thing I've learned is this is
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to shoot a deer or not shoot deer. Isn't always
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: going to be about the alogy. It's not always gonna
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: be about the management. It's not always going to be
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: about um. You know a lot of these different things.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of as we talked about so
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: many times, there's a lot of different complicated things go
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: into why we hunt and how we hunt and all
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that type of stuff, and we're each gonna have our
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: own unique take. And this is the first time for
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: me that I've ever had this kind of unexpected kind
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of flip flop. Um. So it's been just kind of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a weird thing for me personally figuring out, like trying
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to understand why in my head and all that. But UM,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: but I feel like I made the right decision. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in my article I wrote, um that the first blog
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: post I put up there about when I just started
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: considering the idea of passing him, someone let this comment
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: just said do what you won't regret, and um that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I kept thinking about that, and UM, I kept thinking.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I kept trying to envision the two scenarios, So I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: kept thinking about what would I feel like if I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: shot holy feel now, like what would it feel about
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: pulling that trigger and walking up on him and looking
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: at him now? And what would the other feeling be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like what would it be if I saw him, Or
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: what would the feeling be like if I just chose
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: not to try and kill him now? And maybe I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: saw him, and maybe he makes it through the winter,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. Um But what ended up making me
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: feel worse, what ended up making me feel regret wasn't
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the idea of him making it through the winter or
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: me passing him, but him not making it through. But
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what felt worse now was actually the idea of shooting him,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: like after not being certain about wanting to do it
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: after all, Like I felt like I still can't find
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the right words to describe, but almost like a dishonor
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to kill this dear when I wasn't even wasn't even
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like sound in my own conviction of if that was
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do, Like it just felt I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: started feeling wrong when I started getting wishy washy about it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It started feeling like it would be wrong, like to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: kill an animal, just because without being dead set certain
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: within like your gut that this is the right thing
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to do, for me, just it seems like a line
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be crossed. Now, some people might think I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: getting weird and wishy washy or woo hoo whatever. Um,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but you know, I think the more we get into hunting,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the more well yeah, yes, agreed, um, But I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to something you mentioned earlier, like a lot of us
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: as hunters, we go through this evolution um where you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you just want to kill a bunch of stuff. We
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: want to kill something, and then you want to kill
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, and then you want to kill
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: big stuff and you want to prove you can do it,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and all these kinds of things. And I guess I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think I've been for a while. I've been in that like, okay,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I want to kill mature bucks, and early on it
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was okay, I want to prove I can do it,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and then okay, now I want to hunt for the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: challenge um and all these other things. And um, I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: think I'm in another slight transition now where not only
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: does it need to be um, the right set of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: all these different criteria, but it needs to be like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the right I don't the right something. It's gotta be right, um,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: because I don't know. I mean, I still don't have
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the right words to articulate at all. All I know
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: is that I feel good about the decision I made,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and I've seen him, um, several more times since Friday night. Now.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I saw him last night and it was just super cool,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and I just got to sit there being like, Oh,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: this guy, he's got to make it ten more days
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and then he's gonna make it this season and I'm
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: gonna go find those sheds hopefully, and I'm all excited
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: about that idea of trying to find this buck sheds
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and um, next year maybe seeing him, hopefully seeing him
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and I know there's no guarantees, I'm okay with that, um,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm excited again, and I'm excited about
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: not the idea of him dead right now, but the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: idea of hunting him again next year and and maybe
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: if it's meant to be, I'll you know, put the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ribbon on top. But um, but man, it's kind of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: cool um that after I made my decision, I hadn't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: checked trail cameras a while, and I checked trail cameras
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just now before we get on here. And since I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: decided this is so weird since I decided that I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: didn't want to kill Himo, since last Monday, he started
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: showing up in daylight on my cameras almost every single day,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: kind of a big f you to the hunting strategy
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: or something, or like he just knows, like he's got
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: some kind of telepathic link to my head now and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he's like, all right, Marks, not even gonna try to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: shoot me anymore. Now I'm gonna gorge myself on these brassicas,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be betting in your front yard here
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: before you know it, dude, before you know he's gonna
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: be all over the place. But he he was hitting
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: food sources on THEE and eighteen right in the middle
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of the day, even like noon one o'clock. Um, so
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: he's he's comfortable and there's good food and and good stuff,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and uh, we're just gonna see what happens. But um,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but some people are sick of me talking about holy
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Field based on some of the comments I've gotten, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: maybe I should stop. Um. Someone that I mentioned at
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the beginning of got a new nickname. I gotta that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I got a comment from someone who talked about how
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: they're and everyone's entitled to their own opinion, this is
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: totally fine. Um, but he's sick and tired of my
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: story and sick and tired of like my drama with
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: this deer and how he just he thinks that this
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: deer should be called Hollywood now and I should be
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: called Miley, like Miley Cyrus. Um. And so you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that, but boy, yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, i'd like to know that person's reasoning for that,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and I can understand. It almost feels like, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be speaking my mind here, it almost
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: feels like I know, I know it's not what you're doing,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: but it's like, hey, look at me, everybody, Um, I am.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I've decided to pass this deer because I want to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: see it live and I want to see what I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: can do as a hunter. Dude, expand my blah, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know whatever, that's not what you're doing. But you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I can see how people could perceive that as some
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: kind of I don't public publicity stunt. Maybe I don't know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but I know that's not what you're doing. So um,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: but Miley Cyrus is a pretty cool nickname for Mark Kenyon.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: If if if I have to start calling you something.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I might call you Miley. I'd rather than not, But
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: all right, I won't. I won't. There's got to be
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: something better out there. But but yeah, I just I don't.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care what people think. I gotta I've got
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to do what I feel is right. And I've never
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: gone into this, you know, whether it be my writing
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: or this podcast or anything, you know, I'm never going
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to do. I'm never going to change how I hunt
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: or what I'm doing because that's what people want me
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to do, or because that's what's gonna sell articles, or
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because that's what's gonna sell whatever. If I do that,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I've lost what I'm I've lost the whole reason in
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like the core of what I'm trying to do here.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So all I'm gonna ever do is I'm going to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: hunt and evolve as a hunter and do my own thing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: As I grow as a hunter and figure things out
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and try new things and have some success and have
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: some failures. I'm just gonna do my thing, and I'm
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: going to share what happens along the way. That's what
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I've always done, that's what I'm going to continue to do.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And some people aren't gonna like that, and that's okay.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And there's other guys that you know, they can follow,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and if someone is interested in my journey, that's great too.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna do my journey, and uh, that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's all I can do. That's that's awesome. That's awesome.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. That's that. That's how I gotta
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: live your life. Who cares what anybody else thinks about
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: anything hunting or not? Yeah, yeah, I get frustrated. But
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't, like why why should I care? I shouldn't.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't, but I do. I sound like I sound
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like a crazy person, you know, I'll be honest. I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: went through a period of time and I think we
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: discussed this on one of the previous podcasts. It's been
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: a while though. You know, some people get like bone envy, right,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, man, that guy shot a giant buck.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Now I need to shoot a giant buck or or
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: or I'm nobody man, that's for the birds, right And
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: number one, you can't do that. You can't shoot you
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: can't do that if you're shooting four corns. Number one.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Another another thing, and this is kind of spinning off
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: into uh, what pisces me off. And some of it
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: has to do with social media. Some of it has
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to do with hunting expectations and stuff like that. You
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: hear these people go, you know, I only hunt for
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the meat, but I want to be a big buck hunter. Okay,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that's cool, uh, for you know, first and foremost I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: hunt for the meat. Well, if first and foremost you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: hunt for the meat, you should shoot the first year
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that walks by your stand, regardless if that's if that
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is how you're hunting. Second, if you're hunting, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: if you want to hunt big bucks, and you you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: we talked about this every all the time. People who
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: bitch about, you know, not having big deer in their area,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but they're part of the problem, and they shoot the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: smaller bucks. If you want to kill something, kill a dough.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: In certain parts of the country, there's plenty of does
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: out there, so you don't need to shoot a buck. Man,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: eat your tag, Eat your tag every once in a while,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: your buck tag every once in a while. It's okay
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to do. I've done it. For I've done it. Let's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: see this buck that I shot this year. In ten years,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I've shot four bucks, so I have eaten my tag
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: six years out of those ten years. So it's okay
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to fill your freezer,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and I tend to be successful at that every year,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: shoot a dough Sorry I blacked out. What was I?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I think you were talking about monster trucks, right, monsters. No, dude,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying. Um, and you're right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there's it's it's such a messy
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: thing because I agree with you in that if this
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: if you're talking about wanting to shoot big bucks and stuff,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: but then you shoot a little one, well yeah, you're
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: part of the problem. Um. And what I personally like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to see more mature bucks absolutely, um. What I like
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to see a healthier dear Absolutely. But at the same time,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I'm also like, we're tom earlier. I also, I also
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: don't think I should be telling so and so that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: if they really do like shooting young bucks and that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: is what they love, it's not my place to say
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: don't do that. Um. So, like I see both sides
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of the coin. It's interesting dilemma. Like you like you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: look at like the Antler point restrictions in some states,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of questions from people, UM saying
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: do you support Anler point restrictions or will you join
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: our petition to support Antler Point restrictions, um, and stuff
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like that. And I'm a little weird on this one
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: because as for me personally, I would like to see
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Antler Point restrictions in place in Michigan for me selfishly personally,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: because that would mean that more young bucks would get past.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: That would mean there might be some older deer, there
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: might be better age structure, there might be bigger bucks,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: all things that would be great. Um. So for me
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: selfishly personally that I like that idea. But on the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: other hand, do I have the right too in to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: push my own desires onto someone else? Like what happened?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: What about my dad who doesn't have the desire to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: kill a buck, who hasn't killed a buck in for
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a really long time, and all of a sudden he
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: finally gets a shot at one and he can't shoot
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it because I didn't want people to shoot young bucks,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: but it would have been his buck of a lifetime.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: This is all hypoetical, um, But you know, I'm starting
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to like look at these things a little bit differently.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And um and there's there's no clear cut answer in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. But when it comes to that,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: my thought this has always been, um, I would rather
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: see and this is totally now we're getting too specifics.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people are always asking me if
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I would support Antler point restrictions in Michigan and all
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And they have Antler point restrictions
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: up in northwestern Michigan and it's awesome, like I like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: personally selfishly, I like it. We're seeing more older deer,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: bigger deer. This is cool. Um. And if it happened
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: in the rest of the state, I wouldn't complain at all,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Like I personally be happy about it. Um. But an
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: alternative idea would be the one buck rule. So instead
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of being able to kill two bucks, um, you can
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: only kill one buck. But you can kill any size buck,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: any antler point buck. But I think that achieves both
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: goals on one side. If you do want to shoot
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the first buck you see, you can still do that, um,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but that's your only buck. Teg. Now you're done. Um.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But because of that, more people would pass on younger
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: deer because they don't want to be done, and so
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: it would also improve the age structure. It would improve
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: more bucks would get past, so it would accomplish both goals. Uh.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there um. But if you
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: work for the d n R in Michigan, consider that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that's my little pitch. You know what I also like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and I think Wisconsin did this for a while, was
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: an inn a buck. In order to shoot a buck,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you had to go and shoot a doll. I don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: know why I like that. I don't know what kind
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of scientific research was done to establish that that law,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: but I really like that. Yeah, and personally I think
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: it's I like it too. A lot of people hated it, though,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and still in like Minnesota and Wisconsin like because of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like the stuff I've done the National Deer Alliance. I'm like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: every day I'm searching for news related to deer and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: deer hunting. Um. So I'm seeing all the news articles
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: across the country related deer, and there's always people throwing
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: a fit in some of those states about declining deer
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: populations and too much of a doe harvest and too
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: much of this. And so when they did have that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: earn a buck, that was like a big thing. People
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody, but there were a lot
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of complaints about that being something that was driving the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: deer population down. Um. But in a lot of cases,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in many populations, especially ten years ago. UM, a lot
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of dear populations. For what I understand, we're really overpopulated
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: for the habitat for what they could support. Way too
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: many doughs compared to bucks, Way too many deer in general.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And I think the last five years we've seen a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of a reduction across a lot of parts
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of the country, especially the Midwest. A lot of people
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: kind of cried bloody murder about that, but maybe it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: was just kind of a rebalancing. UM. I don't know.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: But um, but that's a whole interesting thing too. You know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: even in Iowa, and we don't have any point restrictions
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, but I'd like to see point restrictions even
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: in Iowa. I mean, it just I don't know. That's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: again me just like you being selfish about what you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the quality of bucks that are in the area. You know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and it it may it may stop someone from shooting
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a four corn and shooting a dough instead to fill
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: their freezer, which means that buckets one more year or
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: however many years until he, uh you know, ends up
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: growing enough antlers to get shot. But I don't know.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's just kind of a cool way. And
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: antler port point restrictions even in Michigan, I think some
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of that, some of those laws are put in two
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: maybe for for a financial reason for the state. You know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: maybe if we put antler point restrictions and the bucks
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: get bigger, we may have more out of state people
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: wanting to come to Michigan to hunt deer. Thus we
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: get more money to the state, which which helps. So
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I certainly think that that going to the one buck
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: rule in Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky has contributed to those
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: two three states becoming so much more popular for out
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of staters. Um. So yeah, there certainly is obsential for that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's uh, it's interesting, man. I just had
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: something that tipped my tongue. I wanted to mention about this,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and now I'm I totally forgot what were what were
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: just saying before? You were talking about er a buck.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Let's see, we talked about erna buck, we talked about
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: antler restrictions. You know, Oh, I know, I know Okay,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: talking about young bucks, I wanted to mention the bummer
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: thing is that of all the books that I so
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even though, like you mentioned how I could be an
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: example for someone passing a buck and letting go in Michigan. Um.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And yes, I am trying hopefully having this buck make
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it another year, which would be great. Um. But some
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: other people have commented that I live in this unrealistic
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: situation where there's mature box like this. No average Joe
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: could ever pass on a buck like that. Um. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that's not true at all. I'm not in an unrealistic
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: in a situation at all. All the bucks that I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: passed this year have disappeared, So all the up and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: comers that I was hoping would make it, they're all
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: dead or gone. So I'm just lucky that this one
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: made it. Very lucky that this buck is still around,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: because all the other day I was hoping would be
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: around for next year Foreman and Fraser and um another
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: buck I was getting pictures. I was called Mayweather and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a two year old that would have been a nice one.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Next year I was called Paccio, and they're all gone.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So I've got Holy Holy Field and like three spikes
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: is all I've seen for the last month and a half.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So they were telling they were telling you you don't
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: live you have unrealistic expectations or unrealistic hunting. Yeah, there
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was a comment I can't remember where it was that
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I red, but they were talking about how you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it's unrelatable that I can pass here like this and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: my manicured food plots and my special managed properties and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: such insus and stuff like that, And I'm like, well, buddy,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: you you obviously don't know the situation. Because this I'm
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: surrounded by half of the jillion hunters, and I am
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: fortunate and that I'm the only person that can hunt
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: this piece, but I don't own it. I'm surrounded by hunters.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Every gets killed every year except for maybe one if
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I get lucky. So it's better than some places, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: certainly not as good as others. Um, you just gotta
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: make the best what you have, right, And you know
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: how big is your food plot? Half acre? Half acre? Okay,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: so you have a half acre food plot? You know
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to me, that's doable. I don't lease any property. I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: don't own any property. I planted. It was probably a
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: quarter two a half acre food Plot, Nebraska's this year.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: UM it was my very first and I in total
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I probably spent two hundred maybe three hundred dollars on it. UM.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I rented the equipment, I got the equipment to help
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: plan it for free. And as far as like an
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: unrealistic expectation that that should be within almost I don't know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: not everybody's, but if you want it bad enough, you're
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: gonna do it now. You're not. I don't look at
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you and say, oh, there's Mark Kenyon. He's a celebrity hunter.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: He's going to three hundred five thousand dollar a week outfitters,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you know, to shoot a buck. He's not. He's not
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: going out west and hunting private ground for elk or
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Muler or whatever. He's not. He's not hunting high fence.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like that, right there is unrealistic. You're
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: if anything you are, you are realistic. You're doing what
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: everybody else is doing. We are doing what everybody else
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: is doing, maybe not from a public land aspect where
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you're not hunting on public ground in Michigan or Ohio,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm not hunting a lot of public ground, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you're still, like I would compare myself to the average
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Joe any day of the week. Yeah and uh and yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I mean we are. We're certainly way more average than
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: anyone on TV, that's for certain. Um, well, hey, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: want to tell you about my high fence hunting that's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: coming up. Oh perfect, I'm just pulling your legs, I know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And I hope I'm not complaining too much. I hope
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sounding like I've been complaining this whole episode
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: about like negative feedback, because I you know, I put
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: myself off for that because I do this, I know
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that's expected, it's gonna happen. I apologize if I sound
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: like I'm complaining, I'm not. And I appreciate people even
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: paying attention and giving a rip at all. I guess
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: so you know there's that, Well, there's still some hunting
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: time left, So I don't know were we gonna talk
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about? Something like we were actually
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: related to maybe some deer hunting strategy today, weren't we
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: We were? And then I just started ranting and we've
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: ended up down this weird cork script. I've kind of
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: fed you. You're a bad influence. Um, I did want
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to talk strategy bit. But while we're transitioning here, let's
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: take a quick second and take a break to thank
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: our partners at red Nick Blinds for their support of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: this podcast too. And today we've got a quick story
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: from hunter Jimmy Sites about how rednecks hey bell blinds
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: have been helping him on his own hunts. I've always
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: talked like in my deer hunting seminars two hunters, if
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you go and put a ground blind up, one of
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: these pop up blinds, no matter what the cambo pattern is,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you better put it out about two weeks in advance,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: at least a week in advance. Let the deer get
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: used to it, and even then brush it in. Go
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: cut down some cedar limbs and take some wire, and
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you know, make it hide it as well as you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: possibly can. Well, then I see the redneck bell blind
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: come along. Danny sent me one. I took it out
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and used it. I set it up, and two hours
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: later I had deer on me. The same day I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: set it up, I killed an eight point buck with
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: my boat out of the blind. Okay, it was. It
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: was mind boggling. And it's because deer. In most places
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: where we hunt, deer are used to round bills. So
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: unless you're in the middle of the provincial forest all
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the way up in Canada, where there are no fills
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: within two hundred miles, that they're gonna see roundbills, they
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: just do and they don't think a thing about it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I've tested this over and over. Last year, I was
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: in Kansas. I was on Delmorell's lease. It's free range,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: it's about eighteen hundred acres. I'm trying to pattern some
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: beer that I can shoot the mature and I take
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the Redneck Bell blind out on a Sunday afternoon after church,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: place it next to a greenfield. I'm right on the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: edge of the greenfield and some high grass. We place
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: it at about one o'clock. By three o'clock we have
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: deer on us. I counted twenty two deer within shooting
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: range of that blind that afternoon, including a young ten
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: point book. None of them were spooked by it. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I've actually seen similar things myself. In fact, just last
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: week I had dear five feet from me in my
• 49:47
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• 50:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought two things we could do, um,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you know, for those that are still trying to fill
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a tag. I thought maybe we could reiterate some of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like our best late season um philosophies, UM, because I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: feel like when it comes to late season hunting every
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: year it I kind of my thoughts and strategy on
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that get tighter and tighter, Like I feel really confident
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: with a few core things that if you haven't heard
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: some of our past late season episodes, excuse me, that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: would be something that could be helpful. UM. And then
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: maybe take a few minutes to talk specifically about doe hunting,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: because that's something we don't talk a lot about, but um,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. And I get a lot of questions, like,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: you know, if I'm just trying to kill a dough
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Does the advice that you guys talk about all the time,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: does that still apply? Um? So, I guess let's talk
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: about that first. When you're out there. I'm kind of
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: curious for you, Dan, when you're out there trying to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: kill a doe, when you're going to do hunt, are
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you hunting differently than when you are out there trying
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to kill a four and a half ye old buck? Uh?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean late season. The rule of thumb
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: find the food, right, that should be the most important thing.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Find the food. And here in Iowa, right now, we
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: have about where I'm at, we have about five inches
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, you know, inches of snow
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: on the ground, and that kind of helps me in
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: a way. I can find well used trails, right I can.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I need to go look for their food source, which
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: is a crop field, which can be you know, standing corn,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: standing beans, any field that may have gotten picked and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: maybe the combines pretty uh um unefficient. But if you're
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: if you're hunting a specific buck over a specific food source,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance that you're going to be running
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: into some does as well. So if if I'm hunting
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: a buck, late season a specific buck, I'm I'm more
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: than likely going to be running into does as well.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: So that same kind of mottos model applies for any
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: deer really is find that late season food. Yeah, I agree.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I think the only difference is that you can just
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: get away with a little more um in that. You know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: when we're targeting, let's say a specific buck, I know
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that if I go in there and hunt a couple
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of times and spook a deer or leave cent or something,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I'm reducing my chances of him showing up later. Um.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: While I don't need to be as concerned about that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: when I'm hunting does, because it's likely there's gonna be
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: dough there the first night and the second night and
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: the third night. As long as I'm not doing something
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: really stupid and spooking all his deer, you're you're probably
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: gonna have them coming in. Um. So, I'm just not
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: as selective as with my days. You know, when we
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: talk a lot of about picking the right days to hunt,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I'm way more selective when it comes to that when
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm targting a buck. When I'm targeting a dough almost
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: especially this time of year, as long as it's not
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: crazy hot. If you've got good late seasoned food, there's
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a good chance that there's gonna be some doughes coming
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to that food source in the evening, no matter if
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the moon's right, or if the bar bear matric pressure
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: is right or whatever. Um So, that's one thing I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: will say. One thing I've noticed is you do still
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: have to be really careful about getting busted by those
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: old matriarch doughs because if they catch you in the
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: tree stand once. I've seen many times where these doughs
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the same. I don't know if it's the same dough,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: but um you see the big old Mama come into
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the food plot and we'll look right at your tree,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: right there where she saw you last time, to see
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: is that sucker up there again? Um So you can't
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: get away with too much with the old mother. Does
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you still got to be set up? Well? You still
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to be walking out of there, you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: through the food source and spoon king all the deer
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: out at the end of the hunt. That kind of stuff.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Um So, but yeah, I agree for me this year.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I go out tomorrow night, I'm gonna
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: be going on one of these same food plots where
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: all these deer are just they're just killing it right now. Um,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: this is Brassicas have you been speaking of have your Braskas? Did?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: You did plant Brasca's right right right now. I haven't
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: hunted my uh hunted that property or checked that trail
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: camera yet late season, but after the leaves started to fall,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: they started to get covered up. And yes they were
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: eating the Brassica leaves. But I think I planted my
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Braska's too late for my specific area because I feel
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that the late as the sun started getting lower in
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the sky, you know, at the closure it got to
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. So I planted in in
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: late August September October. They weren't getting the sun that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: they needed. And I think I mentioned this before, but
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I think I overseated as well. Oh, they didn't grow
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: as big as Brassica probably should have grown by now,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: or you know, by by October. But they were still
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: visiting the food plot. They were still um betting, even
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: betting in it uh coming through it. Um that I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: tore down a gate but left the post. The gate
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: post up turned one of them into a mock scrape tree,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and they started using that. So it worked, but it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: not like it was. It was almost like, hey, I'm
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: gonna stop and eat here on my way through. It
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: never became a destination so to speak, which which sounds
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: like a lot of those things could be the case.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: And because of the size of it being relatively small,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: it's always going to kind of be a past their location.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: But I'll be interested to see if they're hitting it
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: late season, because man, um, I just they you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: if you to have there, Almost no other time of
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: year does a food plot help as much as during
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the late season when most of the other crops are down,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: and if you've got the standing food, whether it be
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: standing beans or standing corn or a Braska food plot
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: like this with turnips and rape and kale and all that,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: holy crap. I mean, they are just in it so
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: hard right now, I would just like, like I said,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I want to go check my camera, and um man,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: it is just it looks like a like a war
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: zone with all the dug up holes and craters where
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: they've been digging out turnips and stuff. Um, and they're
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: they're almost all day. They're in there in the morning,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they're and there in the middle of the day. They're
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: in the evenings. UM. So I'd say the other thing
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, both whether it's for
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: does or bucks, is again keeping the pressure low because
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: especially at this time of year, these deer have been
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: hunted for two months or three months, so they're especially
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: wary about hunting pressure. And UM, I do think one
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why holy Field is still so active
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: on my property here is number one, I've got the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: good food for this time of the year, and number two,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I've been so selective with one I hunted since November eight,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: between now and November. Since now in November eight, I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: think I've hunted this property four times total, maybe five
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: times total, Like I've hardly hunted it all, um. And
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I think if I was hunting a ton, this buck
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: would not be present or as active as he is.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: So I think that's something that um is something to
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: always keep in mind. So UM, one thing I would
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: like to add late season, and it's a lot of
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it depends on how extremely cold the temperatures are. But
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I've noticed that once these deer find a food source,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: they will continue to go to this food source until
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it is gone. Right, So let's say there is uh,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: your I'll use your brassica food plot, for example, They'll
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: go there until and and continue to go there until
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's gone or the snows off and they can start
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: finding brows elsewhere. But they're gonna be betting really close
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to that food source, especially if the weather conditions are brutal.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: They're not going to want to expend any additional energy,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you know, walking an additional five yards to a different
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: betting area. They're gonna be betted as close as possible,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you know, within reason for their safety. But you know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna and typically that's why you're you see
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: these deer come out, you know, in these brutal conditions,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: you know, all day long, is because they need that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: energy to stay warm. Yeah, that's a that's a huge
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: point that you've made. And um like that was one
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: of the big learning experiences for me when I started
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: hunting late season more around some of these crop areas.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: UM I started I messed up a few times where
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: when I when I started hunting this area down here
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in Michigan for the first time, UM I was seeing
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: all these deer come out and feeding in this cut
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: corn field. And I remember once I thought, Okay, I'm
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: gonna sneak in there and hunt the edge of this
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: cornfield that I've never hunted before. And I went sneaking
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: in there in the late season and I got to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: within like thirty forty yards at the edge of the field,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and like thirty deer erupted out of the cover, like
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: twenty yards in off the field and just blew out
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: of there. And ever since then, I've just known that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: these deer are betting, like you said, as close as
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: they can safely be to that food. UM. So having
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: an access route in there that takes that into account
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and thinking about your stand placement um is very important.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing, especially if you're trying to
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: target a buck again, is you may want to observe
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a few times before going in, more so than during
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the rut. I mean, during the rut, you can get
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: in there and stuff's gonna happen. But at this time
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: of year and again you screw it up a couple
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: of times, the big boys probably not going to show up.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So sit away from where you think is good the
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: first time or two or whatever if you have the
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: available time, and watch and figure out specifically, Okay, this
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: is where they're coming from, this is where they're entering.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: This is the wind they're using. And then you don't
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: like we always say we we say a thousand times,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: but you know, drone strike it, figure out the specifics,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and then strike when you know as best as possible
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: what the situation is. And that's super important this time
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: of year and late season. If there's snow on the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: ground and you found a food source, it's gonna be
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: very easy to find where these deer are coming because
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: there's highways leading to the food source. If you have
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: standing crops or if you have um you know, any
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: type of egg field that's been picked, you're going to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: You're going to see the trails in the snow. So
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: it's almost a no brainer, especially if you're just going
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: to set up maybe an observation stand for that first hunt.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Walk in to the very first trail that is heavily used,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: set up within, you know, make sure your your winds right,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: but that's your that's the that's your first observation stand.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Nothing comes down there during daylight, bump to the next
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: one that's entering this food source. So I love I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: love snow at this time of year. I mean, having
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: snow out there makes it so much. I don't know
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: if it's easier, but I guess. I mean, it's just it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: You get to see something that you usually wouldn't see.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And um, I love just kind of scoping out my
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: property this time of year and you just see the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: travel quarters just black and white. It's so easy now
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to see where these deer consistently travel. And like, for example,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: on this Michigan property that I've been hunting so much,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten to know where these quarters are.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: But it's cool to see it written out in the snow,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: confirming what I've seen historically. Well, yeah, they're they're doing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the same thing today and that's kind of cool to see.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And don't shoot a shed buck. My stepdad, uh during
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the first season Shotgun this year found a shed angler.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And there's there's pictures already of guys um out there
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: who are getting show camera pictures of shed bucks. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: if you're out to kill a dough and a dot dough,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: only be very observant about what you're shooting. Yeah, it's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a good point. I U I have seen the same
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: thing people posting those pictures, and that would be that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: would be a serious bummer to accidentally shoot, especially if
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it's a buck you've been after for a long time,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: to accidentally shoot it after his sheds, I that would
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: be a worse case scenario, no doubt about that. So
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: is it your daughter that's hooting and horror back there?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Or is it one of the kids that your wife's babysitting? Man,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, could be could be one of them.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: How do you handle? How do you handle all these
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: children all over the place. I crawl into a hole.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Like I have podcasts. I try to do as many
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: podcasts as I can within ah within a week, so
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with that until like the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: parents come home. Then I can kind of sneak out,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: put my head out. I got my office upstairs, now,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: So what are you doing? Can you help me out here? No?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I got a podcast I gotta do. It's just me
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: with my headphones on looking at a blank computer screen.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: So sometimes I just fake it. That's good. How the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: office coming, It's pretty good. I got my sheds up here.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I don't have them hung yet, but I gotta. I'm
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to figure out where I'm gonna
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: put my desk, whether I'm gonna put it in the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: closet and turn it into kind of like a recording
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: studio for the podcast. Um, and then I hang and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: hang my mounts up in different spots. I haven't really
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: made that decision yet, but so the with the closet
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: includes soundproofing. Yep, that sounds like a good idea. I know.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: It might also might be a secret hideout too, where
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I go in and disappear for a little while. But yeah,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: what were you saying a second ago? I interrupt you.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: You're about to I was gonna my daughter. She's in
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: that I don't know. She finds pooping interesting now, so
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: she so she announces to everybody that she poops. So
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: we're walking. Yeah, we were in Target the other day
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and the lady goes, how are you doing? You know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: we're checking out. Would you like a sticker? Yes? I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: would like a sticker. I pooped in the big girl
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: like like father, like daughter, right, So just imagine if
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: that continued on through throughout our life. So it was like, uh,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: would you like paper plastic? I would like plastic because
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I pooped in the big boy potty today. Oh kids, Yeah,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: it's uh, my life is a circus. It's hilarious, Like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: my son. He's starting to get these He's gonna be
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a comedian. I swear to god. He's making all these
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: funny facial expressions and like, yeah, just like when he
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: walks into the room, he he kind of has his
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: shoulders back and his head up and he does this
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: little wattle and uh, this big old cheese er grin
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: on his face. And it's pretty cool to see until
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: But but when they're sleep deprived, they both turned into
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a holes. And uh, then that's when it that's when
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: it really it gets interesting. Yeah, I imagine I can't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: wait till you you have a kid, and you know
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, how how bad can being you know, how
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: bad can being a parent really be? And then you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: have these thoughts in your head, like I wonder how
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: much I could get for them if I sell them? Wait,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I can. I'm not supposed to think about that. I'm
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: a loving father. I should never think about selling my children.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: But then you actually have that random thought comes through
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: your head. You know, when one of them is covered
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: in their own feces, well it could be their own feces,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and the other ones, you know, been crying for fifteen
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: minutes because you gave her a blue cup and not
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the pink cup. You know that kind of that kind
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, I'll tell you what I uh, I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know what. I don't know what hposectomy.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Focus on your blog for the rest of your life.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: If you want kids, go to your in laws and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you know, your your sister, your wife's sister or whatever.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Play play with them, get their fix. Then go on
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to and you know, if you want to pass you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: if you want to pass on the hunting tradition to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: someone and volunteer at a school. At the same time.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I love my kids and I love my family, but
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: let's be realistic. Kids can be a holes. That's I'm
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: just gonna leave it right there that I love I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: love my kids. Compared closing our closing thoughts, there's We've
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: got a good balance here, Dan, because I know there's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: people that listen to me talk about would I do
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and they just shake their heads and they're like, that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: guy's a jerk. He doesn't have kids, he has no idea,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And then they get to hear you and they're like, uh,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: someone can relate, So you know, then he got the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: other guys is why is Dan even on the show.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: All he does is bitch about his his kids all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the all the time. That's true. So we've we've got
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of people in each of our corner. I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: bet so well. I think that's probably a good place
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: for us to wrap it up. Dan, anything else, uh,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: anything else we should we should leave things with here? Um,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Man. Good luck you know, to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: all the listeners, good luck late season. Hopefully you get
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: what you know, get what you're going after. And uh yeah,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Good luck to those
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: out there. And then shoot, before we know it, we're
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: gonna have one more episode this year, and then it's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen and we're gonna starting the whole
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: cycle all over again, and dreaming about what's gonna happen
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: next year and shed hunting and scouting and all sorts
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. Can you believe that? And I see, man,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: my season down over yet. I honestly don't want to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: think about that yet, because like, I'm going on to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Elk hunt in Colorado, uh next year, So I'm like
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that a little bit, But I don't
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: want this season to be over yet because I've spent
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: so little time in a tree this year. Yeah, you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: have you since you're rut? How many times have you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: since you're rut killing? November three? How many times he
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: got hunt? Or? Is that? Do we not make that public? Zero?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: What I haven't? I haven't. I have not been in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: a tree stand since the night I killed my buck.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I had no idea. I thought that
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: you were still heading out, you know, shoot a doll
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: or you told me that you were still going to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: go out there and maybe try to shoot a second buck. Yeah,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I got until what January nine is when I leave
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: to go to a t A show. So between now
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and then, and temperatures are supposed to be in the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: mid uh in the mid two, mid thirties to low
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: forties for the next fifteen days. So you missed the window.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: This is this last week or two has been the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: great late season weather, right, not both season yet? Why
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: haven't we been talking about this? I don't know. I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. I'm depressed and plus
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and plus I have to go mail some packages for
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: my wife. Uh so we have to end the podcast now,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: all right, Well, maybe next week we'll talk about Dan's
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: late season strategy. How about that? Oh but but then
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: didn't we want to talk about the Nine Finger Chronicles
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: real quick before we go? Yeah? Sure? Um, well, the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Nine Finger Chronicles in a way is kind of like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the an extension of the Wired to Hunt podcast. I mean,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: on the Wired to Hunt podcast, we talk a lot
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: about strategy and actually how to kill the big deer.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: But I've been I I was getting a lot of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: emails from guys asking me about products, and it kind
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: of lit a fire in my head. You know, no one,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: no one is out there doing a bow hunting podcast
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: on actual products. So I had this idea to start
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: the Nine Finger Chronicles podcast, and it revolves around product
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: gear and information. So you know, we have a lot
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: of people come on the show. For example, Um, we
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: had an engineer from bear Bow come Bear Bows, Bear
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Archery come on the show and talk about the products,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the product designed, the innovation in the company history, um,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: and everything that kind of goes into the actual product.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: It's not some celebrity or it's not somebody who's getting
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: paid to rep the product. The information is coming right
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth. And uh, and then we we
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: have product reviews where I have average Joe's come on
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: the show and they talk about their experience with certain products,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: and it's a completely unbiased opinion of these products. You know,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: these guys aren't repping the product, they're not getting paid
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: to wrap the products. So in a way, it's information,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: useful information to to my listeners about all these different
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: random products that are in the in the bow hunting industry.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, uh. And we cover everything
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: from trail cameras to oh bows, tree stands, everything, broadheads, arrows,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: everything that a bow hunter needs, we we we cover it.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: And then the second part of the podcast is the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: hunter profiles, which in in the b S sessions that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I do is what I call them, and it's too
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: It's it's basically average Joe's who have had successful hunting seasons.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about you know, big bucks you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: have in order to be on the podcast, you have
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: to kill a big buck. I mean, these are people
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: who define success in their own ways. So you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of it revolves around bow hunting. So we
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: talk about the properties that they hunt, whether it's public
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: or private. We talk about, you know, the history they've
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: had with this deer, the setups. You know, it's basically
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a story of an individual's hunting season or hunting two
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: or three seasons, or an actual profile of a buck
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: that they've hunted for a certain number of years. And uh,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the b S sessions are just that two guys s
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: and about bow hunting. So um, it's just something that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I love to talk about. And I figured, hell, why
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: not start a podcast? Where'd you get that idea? From? No? No?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: So that you you started nine finger chronicles. Uh, in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: addition to your help over here, you started that last fall,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I think our last winter. So it's been about a year.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: And one of the things I always wondered, especially when
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: you're just getting started out, was when you're having these
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: guys on from these different companies. They work for this company,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: this brand. I always wondered, how much of the time
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: they're blowing smoke up your butt. You know, they're they're
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: hyping their product and they're saying all these big things.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: How much do you think that happens? And then have
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you ever had to challenge someone because you just know
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: it's bs what they're saying. Have you ever had to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: be like kind of calm out, like are you sure
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: your product can really do that. Yeah, um, in a way.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yet I'm not I'm not going to ask them straight
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: out if if they're telling me that their products gonna
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: do something, then you know, I'm not the person who
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: wants to make the decision on that product or call
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: them out on it. That's the job of the listeners.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I'm basically a conduit for information from that company to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: the listeners ears. And yes, yes, I've had to play
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: devil's advocate a few times on some of these companies
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: who um their claim maybe a little bit, uh, I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: guess louder. You know, they're they're pounding their chest a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: little bit louder than maybe what they should. I'm not
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: gonna try to knock them down, but I will question
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: it because it deserves to be questioned. If that makes sense, Yeah,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I know it does. And I guess that's probably partly
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: where your kind of listener reviews come into because the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: people that heard these things can then go try the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: products and come back to you and and tell you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: what they actually thought about some of this stuff, which
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: is kind of cool, right, And the cool thing about
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: it is it's all walks of life. Guys, guys and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: even gals all the walks of life who come on
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: the podcast and uh and chat and you're getting you're
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: getting product information from the people who actually spend the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: money to purchase it and who are using them on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you know, a daily basis throughout the hunting season. So
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, when when me and you look for products
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna purchase, we're looking at reviews. You know,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: we're looking at the people who are satisfied or unsatisfied
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: with them on a on a yearly basis and basically
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: see what they have to say. It's awesome, that's definitely.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the kind of stuff that we want
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: when we're when we're shopping, is getting a real unbiased
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: review from people that are super serious just like we are.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: So the one thing I'm curious about is have you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: ever had someone on your show that's as weird as me? Dude,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: you're not weird, You're not weird saying there's weirder, there's
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: weirder people out there, there's weirder people. But and I
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: feel that I'm weird, Well, yeah you are. I'm very weird.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: So I think that's why that's why that all works.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: That's why that's why this works, you know me and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you so true. Well, hey, man, I think that's awesome.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you know the podcast is doing
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: well and that you're having fun with it and find
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: it valuable. And that's awesome that have we met. Have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: we hit the one year mark? YEP, October of this
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen was the one year mark. I've
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: broken my hundred episode marks. So I'm pretty happy with
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the way everything's going. And from the feedback I get
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: from the listeners, um, they're they're happy with it too.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: So it's just kind of a blessing. And I know
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: you you joked about it earlier, but it's a lot
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: of this is kind of and offspring of the Wire
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast. I mean you you kind of motivated
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: me to to start this, and I think it's just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: an extension of what you know, we we as hunters
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: talk about on the Wire to Hunt podcast. So I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: owe you a thank you as well. Not a problem
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: at all, dude, I'm excited for you, excited it's going well.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, So if you haven't checked out Nine
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Finger Chronicles yet, which I think a lot of you
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: probably have, but if you haven't yet, search it out
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: on iTunes or your website, and what's what's the U R?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: All again, Dan, nine finger Chronicles dot Com all spelled
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: out perfect? All right, man, Well, now we really are
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: going to shut it down and go go return that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: package or whatever it was you're supposed to do for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: your wife. That's right, that's right. I think I'm gonna
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: be late. But a story, all right, story of your life? Okay,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Well that is going to be it for us today.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: So we just need to thank our partners who do
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: help us keep this show on the air. Thank you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to sit a Gear, Redneck, Blinds, hun Tera, Maps, Yeti Coolers, Ozonics,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and the White Tailed Institute of
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: North America. And of course thank you all for listening today.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a very merry Christmas and a
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: happy holiday season. And until next time, stay a Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt m