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The Lindsay Clancy Saga and Democrats' obsession with Israel · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: The Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Tudor Dixon in for Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Hewitt today. We have a packed show for you. This
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  Speaker 2: is the first day of the convention in Dallas for Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: It's time to rev up the base and get out
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  Speaker 2: the vote. We also have Kyle Olson. special correspondent at
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  Speaker 2: Town Hall and founder of TheMidwesterner.news, and a New York
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  Speaker 2: Times bestselling author talking about a wild video from James
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  Speaker 2: Tallarico's Lifelong Church. This actually exposes the truth behind that
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  Speaker 2: fake faith he's been selling on the campaign trail. And
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  Speaker 2: today we have the opportunity to honor the life and
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  Speaker 2: legacy of Charlie Kirk with Morgan McMichael Brown. We will
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  Speaker 2: also be talking to a pastor, Jerry Bishop, who is
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  Speaker 2: calling for a state of emergency in the state of Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: my home state. And the reason might surprise you. Later,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be joined by Julian Epstein, a Democrat and former
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  Speaker 2: chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and staff director
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  Speaker 2: of the House Oversight Committee. And he has some things
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  Speaker 2: to say about the big tent party and what that
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  Speaker 2: means to our country. And one celebrity is facing disaster
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  Speaker 2: in California. Is Gavin Newsom going to help him? I
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  Speaker 2: doubt it. All that and more. But now let's bring
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  Speaker 2: in Kyle Olson. Kyle, thank you for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: So you have an article out today, which is pretty
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  Speaker 2: stunning about what happened in the Tallarico Church. I want
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  Speaker 2: to actually play the video of this. This is, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, it's pretty stunning. We have a video from
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  Speaker 2: the Babs Miller. It's clip 11.
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  Speaker 4: If you polled our membership.
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  Speaker 1: And asked them whether they were Christian, agnostic, or atheist,
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority would say agnostic or atheist.
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  Speaker 5: Because they don't buy the religion that has been, that.
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  Speaker 4: We got from the Puritans.
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  Speaker 1: We still have people in this church that wish that
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  Speaker 1: that young man had not just nicked his ear, but
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  Speaker 1: been more successful.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is stunning. So this is James Tallarico's childhood church.
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  Speaker 2: He grew up in this church. This is the faith
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  Speaker 2: that you've heard him share on the campaign trail. We
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  Speaker 2: have some clips of that, too. But first, Kyle, when
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  Speaker 2: you first listen to this clip, you're kind of stunned
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  Speaker 2: by the fact that she openly admits that the people
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  Speaker 2: in the church are not Christians. They're agnostics. They're atheists.
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  Speaker 2: But then it gets so much worse when she talks
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  Speaker 2: about the assassination attempt on President Trump and says, They
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  Speaker 2: wish it had succeeded. That's stunning.
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  Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, there is a lot to unpack. And sources
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  Speaker 6: tell me that there is a lot more coming from
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  Speaker 6: the St. Andrews Presbyterian Church leadership. And I think this
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  Speaker 6: story is very interesting because just as an observer, I
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  Speaker 6: don't live in Texas, but just as an outside observer
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  Speaker 6: watching the news, watching social media, I think what the
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  Speaker 6: national media has tried to make interesting about James Tallarico
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  Speaker 6: is he is a Christian Democrat and he is a
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  Speaker 6: he is a he's a Christian who is a Democrat.
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  Speaker 6: And is there a way for him to sort of
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  Speaker 6: peel off Christian votes from Republicans? And then that's his
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  Speaker 6: pathway to to the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Senate.
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  Speaker 6: So then the natural question is, well, as a Christian,
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  Speaker 6: what does he. What does his church believe? And so
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  Speaker 6: there is, this is, again, I'm told this is the
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  Speaker 6: first video. There are many more coming out that really
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  Speaker 6: get to the philosophy and the opinions and the faith,
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  Speaker 6: if you want to call it that, of Jim Rigby,
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  Speaker 6: who runs this church, St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church in Austin.
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  Speaker 6: But then also Babs Miller, who was the one that
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  Speaker 6: was featured in that video. And it I will just
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  Speaker 6: tell you, it is it is eye opening.
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  Speaker 3: It's shocking. It's disturbing.
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  Speaker 6: But I think this this clip in particular, you listen
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  Speaker 6: to her talk about the the where the church is at,
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  Speaker 6: because she is the she is the minister to the
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  Speaker 6: people basically in that church. And she believes that a
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  Speaker 6: majority of the church would say that they are agnostic
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  Speaker 6: or atheist. Well, what kind of church is that? I mean,
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  Speaker 6: who's ever heard of that? It's totally bizarre. And then
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  Speaker 6: she makes the comment about there are people in the
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  Speaker 6: church who wish that the president had been assassinated in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's critical that we talk about this right now.
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  Speaker 2: You might have seen, if you're not in Texas, you
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  Speaker 2: might have seen on Twitter, on X, Ken Paxton's ad.
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  Speaker 2: I want to play that because this really is explaining
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  Speaker 2: what exactly he's talking about. So we have clip number 13.
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  Speaker 2: Let's play that.
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  Speaker 7: In the beginning, God was non-binary and he wasn't a Christian.
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  Speaker 7: And God said, let there be six genders.
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  Speaker 5: And there were.
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  Speaker 7: Then God so loved the world that he gave us
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  Speaker 7: his only son, who was a radical feminist and never
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  Speaker 7: asked people to worship him. Look, I always think of
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  Speaker 7: myself as.
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  Speaker 4: A James Tallarico, wrong for Texas.
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  Speaker 7: America is not a Christian nation.
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  Speaker 3: And wrong for America too.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Ken Paxton and I approve this message.
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  Speaker 2: People may have watched that and been like, this is
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  Speaker 2: an AI video or this is an AI ad and
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  Speaker 2: this is, you know, how accurate could it be? You
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  Speaker 2: cannot understand unless you see exactly how the people within
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  Speaker 2: his church speak. This is not a church. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these are the false teachers that we're actually warned about
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  Speaker 2: in the Bible. We are told these people will exist.
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  Speaker 2: They will try to draw you away from faith. They
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  Speaker 2: will try to draw you away from Christ. That's what
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing here. Kyle, before I pull you back in,
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  Speaker 2: I want to play a selfie video from James Tallarico.
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  Speaker 2: It's clip 10. I want you guys to see this
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  Speaker 2: because this confirms what we've been saying.
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  Speaker 8: I'm always so thrilled when I get invited to the
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  Speaker 8: Diwali Festival. I think I've gone to two years in
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  Speaker 8: a row now. And, you know, also have gotten a
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  Speaker 8: chance to speak at some of our local mosques. And
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  Speaker 8: I find such wisdom and comfort and inspiration from faith
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  Speaker 8: traditions all over the world. And I find that they're
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  Speaker 8: all kind of equal pathways to truth. You know, that's
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  Speaker 8: how I think, you know, I always think of all
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  Speaker 8: of the world's faith traditions as like a circle with,
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  Speaker 8: you know, that divine mystery of the universe in the middle.
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  Speaker 8: And we all have different names for that mystery, right?
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  Speaker 4: Whether it's God or Yahweh or Allah or Nirvana, the.
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  Speaker 8: Great Spirit, whatever you call it, this is all different
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  Speaker 8: pathways to the same kind of fundamental truth of reality.
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  Speaker 8: So yeah, it's something I, it's how I try to
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  Speaker 8: stay grounded and stay rooted.
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  Speaker 2: This is disgusting to me, Kyle. How does this play
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  Speaker 2: with Christians in Texas And Hispanics in Texas, how do
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  Speaker 2: they see this and say, I want that guy who
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  Speaker 2: makes a mockery of my faith to go to Washington?
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  Speaker 3: Well, right. And that's a good question.
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  Speaker 6: And I would think that these, because there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of these clips like you just played, there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them that are floating around. And there, as I
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  Speaker 6: said earlier, there are more coming. I did think if
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  Speaker 6: you couldn't see that the ad, the Paxton ad, I
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  Speaker 6: did think that when it said King James Tallarico Bible,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the King James Tallarico version of the Bible,
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  Speaker 6: I thought that was a pretty good touch. But I
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  Speaker 6: think Christians have to say, is this really what I believe?
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  Speaker 6: And he goes to St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church. Is this
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  Speaker 6: philosophy a Presbyterian philosophy?
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  Speaker 3: I am not Presbyterian.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't think that's what Presbyterians believe.
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  Speaker 3: But it just is so bizarre.
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  Speaker 6: And you could see him sort of going through.
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  Speaker 3: The philosophy.
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  Speaker 6: And I think what we'll hear from the pastors, Jim
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  Speaker 6: Rigby and Babs Miller, coming up is really what James
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  Speaker 6: Tallarico believes. And I think it very much is out
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  Speaker 6: of step. with what evangelicals, what Catholics, what other Christians
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  Speaker 6: believe in the state of Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you, Kyle, for bringing this to us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is shocking. I will say my grandparents
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  Speaker 2: went to a Presbyterian church and it was not like that.
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  Speaker 2: I can assure you they would be totally disgusted by
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  Speaker 2: hearing that. So don't believe that that's all Presbyterians. This
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  Speaker 2: is some wackadoodle church that we've never heard of. But thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: we know exactly what it is. So we know to
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  Speaker 2: vote against it. Stick around. We have Noah Rothman up next.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a good conversation. This is the
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Tudor Dixon filling in for Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Hewitt today. And I am excited to welcome Noah Rothman
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  Speaker 2: to the show. Noah is a senior writer at the
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  Speaker 2: National Review and the author of Blood and Progress. Noah,
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  Speaker 2: so glad to have you here today.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, Tudor.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I have to ask you, after the midterms,
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  Speaker 2: we're running right into 2028. I don't think people are
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  Speaker 2: really thinking that way. I think they're thinking, oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years away, but it's really going to
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  Speaker 2: be a 2027 thing. where we start to see these
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  Speaker 2: parties battling for who is going to be the presidential nominee.
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  Speaker 2: How does that look in the Democrat Party the way
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  Speaker 2: it is right now as we see it kind of
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  Speaker 2: fracturing in these midterms? What happens in 27?
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  Speaker 9: A lot of things are happening in 27. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: the stuff that you can expect. is the candidates who
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  Speaker 9: will compete in the quote-unquote invisible primary. That's the behind-the-scenes
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  Speaker 9: effort to corner donors, to corner influential supporters on the ground,
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  Speaker 9: build your networks. And then when you emerge with an
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  Speaker 9: exploratory committee, which means you're actually running for the presidency,
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  Speaker 9: you already have all this support lined up and it's prohibitive.
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  Speaker 9: That's the sort of thing that happens behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 9: What's going to happen in front of the cameras next
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  Speaker 9: year is going to be very interesting. If Democrats win
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  Speaker 9: a House majority, take the Senate off the table, Democrats
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  Speaker 9: win a House majority, a significant number of their what
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  Speaker 9: make up makes up that majority, which we can expect
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  Speaker 9: to be a pretty small majority. And, you know, something
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  Speaker 9: like 10 to 20 new members will form the actual
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  Speaker 9: majority coalition. There's going to be a lot of progressives
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  Speaker 9: in there, a lot of new squad members, many of
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  Speaker 9: them DSA types, some of whom don't know whether you
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  Speaker 9: should put murderers in jail or believe the Senate should
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  Speaker 9: be abolished.
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  Speaker 4: They're kind of extremes.
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  Speaker 9: And they're going to be the majority makers. They're already
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  Speaker 9: telling reporters, Axios, CNN, on background that we're going to
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  Speaker 9: have fights over leadership. We're going to have fights over
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  Speaker 9: the agenda. We're going to shut down anything that we
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  Speaker 9: don't like. And we're going to impose on the majority
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  Speaker 9: what we do want, especially and particularly Medicare for all,
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  Speaker 9: which is another way of saying nationalize the American health
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  Speaker 9: insurance industry. That's a fight that's going to be way
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  Speaker 9: out in the open in 2027. And every Democrat is
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  Speaker 9: going to have to get on board like they did
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  Speaker 9: in 2019, like they did in 2020. Remember, we had
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  Speaker 9: that fight already. And the person who won it was
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  Speaker 9: Joe Biden by saying, no, I'm not going to join that.
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  Speaker 9: And he ended up winning the presidency. There's going to
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  Speaker 9: be a significant component of the Democratic Party that's going
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  Speaker 9: to say, no, no, no, no, no. We can't do
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  Speaker 9: this kind of extremist stuff. Maybe we agree with it,
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  Speaker 9: even in private, but we're not going to do it
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  Speaker 9: in public. And that's not going to be acceptable to
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  Speaker 9: the progressive left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that's worked in the past.
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  Speaker 2: They have been able to quiet them in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've been able to get Bernie Sanders out
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  Speaker 2: when he was leading. But I don't know how they
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  Speaker 2: quiet them now, because as you said, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the American public is aware outside of
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  Speaker 2: their own state how many of these progressives will get elected.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're looking at Colorado and New York and
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  Speaker 2: areas where we haven't seen progressives this progressive before, but
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  Speaker 2: they won Democrat seats. And they are taking Democrat seats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: And progressive really is a misnomer.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, you just played a you just played a
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  Speaker 9: clip of Mila Kiros. You know, I mean, she's in
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  Speaker 9: favor of big government.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 9: She is a progressive. But her claim to fame is
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  Speaker 9: the same. The United States deserve 9-11.
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  Speaker 6: And why?
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  Speaker 9: By her virtue of her own logic. It's Osama bin
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  Speaker 9: Laden's logic. We had destabilized the Middle East by virtue
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  Speaker 9: of what?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: Kicking Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in 1991 and leaving
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  Speaker 9: a residual presence in Saudi Arabia at the invitation of
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  Speaker 9: the host government, Saudi Arabia, Riyadh. This is the logic
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  Speaker 9: that she's bringing to Congress. Adam Hamawi, who's in New Jersey, 12,
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  Speaker 9: is also going to be sent to Congress, most likely.
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  Speaker 9: His claim to fame is serving as a character witness
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  Speaker 9: on behalf of the blind sheik, Abdel Rahman, the architect
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  Speaker 9: of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Abdul El-Sayed in
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  Speaker 9: Michigan could be headed to the Senate. And he's surrounded
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  Speaker 9: himself with figures like Hassan Piker, who said explicitly that
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  Speaker 9: America deserves 9-11 and Hamas is the more authoritative moral
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  Speaker 9: party in the conflict with Israel. On and on it goes.
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  Speaker 9: We're not talking about debates over marginal tax rates here.
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  Speaker 9: We're talking about first principles, whether the United States deserves
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  Speaker 9: to exist as it's presently constituted.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it has been interesting this last few weeks.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen Abdul in Michigan in the lead. repeatedly every
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  Speaker 2: poll he's in the lead. But you bring up an
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  Speaker 2: interesting point about the Hassan Piker situation. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: these people were like, well, I don't believe in what
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  Speaker 2: he said about 9-11. We're coming up upon the 25th
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of 9-11. I think there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people from my generation who are going, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: did we forget? How could we forget? The slogan is
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  Speaker 2: literally never forget. And yet this guy is out campaigning
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  Speaker 2: with someone who says America deserved 9-11. Just today, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was yesterday, a poll came out that shows
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  Speaker 2: that he is finally I do think it's hurting him.
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  Speaker 9: I think he's a very damaged candidate for a variety
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  Speaker 9: of reasons, foremost among them being his flirtation with unreconstructed Islamism.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think it's a prejudicial thing to say. I
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  Speaker 9: think it's a survey of his record.
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  Speaker 3: It's inaccurate.
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  Speaker 9: And defensible thing to say. But he's also much farther
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  Speaker 9: left than I think the majority of the Michigan voters
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  Speaker 9: in the Michigan electorate. This is still a swing state,
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  Speaker 9: still a purple state, voted for Donald Trump twice. And
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  Speaker 9: it's a state that Mike Rogers very nearly won in
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  Speaker 9: his 2024 campaign. So it's a competitive landscape. And it's
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  Speaker 9: not the sort of place that, for example, like New
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  Speaker 9: York 13th, where Daria Eliza Chevalier is running and can
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  Speaker 9: run on the most radical platform in America in 2026,
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  Speaker 9: in my view. And she's just going to glide into
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  Speaker 9: that office. Not the same when you're running on a
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  Speaker 9: statewide level. But you bring up 9-11. And yes, there
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  Speaker 9: is an active issue here that Republicans can exploit, which
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  Speaker 9: is the revivification of interest in Osama bin Laden's thinking
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  Speaker 9: and writing from 2002, the letter to America that began
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  Speaker 9: circulating in America in 2002. It enjoyed something of a
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  Speaker 9: resurgence online, thanks perhaps in part to Chinese propaganda. But nevertheless,
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  Speaker 9: it was organic. And there are polls that suggest About
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  Speaker 9: a third of young people ages 18 to 24 have
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  Speaker 9: some sympathy for the Islamist radical struggle. That is not
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  Speaker 9: a majority proposition. That is something that Republicans can exploit
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  Speaker 9: by doing what Democrats have done for years. Get every
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  Speaker 9: Democrat on the record. Todd Akin, this thing. Every single
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  Speaker 9: Democrat has to say where they stand on Abdel El-Sayed,
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  Speaker 9: Adam Hamawi, Daryl Eiza Chevalier, Milad Kiros. Where do you
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  Speaker 9: stand on what they say? That's the sort of thing
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  Speaker 9: that a competent political operation must do. And usually you can,
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  Speaker 9: if you're a Democrat, you can rely on the media
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  Speaker 9: to do it for you. Republicans don't have that advantage,
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  Speaker 9: but that doesn't mean they don't have advantages. They have
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  Speaker 9: a huge money advantage, for example, lots more cash on
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  Speaker 9: hand than the Democrats. They can deploy that with some
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  Speaker 9: rather clever messaging operations that could activate the kind of
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  Speaker 9: voters they need, or at least discourage Democrats who would
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  Speaker 9: vote for a Democrat, but can't bring themselves to vote
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  Speaker 9: for a Democrat.
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  Speaker 3: Who hates America.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm hoping that we see that. My home
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  Speaker 2: state is Michigan, so I appreciate everything you're saying. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much, Noah Rothman, for joining me today. I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: But what he's saying is important, guys. It's got to
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  Speaker 2: be that we are spending money to get the message out.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it was important that he called out
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he is an Islamist. And he said,
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  Speaker 2: this is not an unfair thing to say. It's something
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  Speaker 2: that we have to say. And it's something that I
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  Speaker 2: think Republicans are afraid to say. But when you have
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  Speaker 2: somebody who is saying, hurt people, hurt people, America deserved 9-11,
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  Speaker 2: you have got to call that out. That is hateful rhetoric.
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  Speaker 2: It is something that We've seen 3,000 people die because
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of this type of conversation in this country. We're coming
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: up to that anniversary. And yet we have people that
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: are still afraid to call out someone who speaks this way.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that the media is trying to hold him accountable.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I wish, like Noah said, we would see more Democrats
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: come out. I am horrified to see Alyssa Slotkin come
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: out and say that she supports Abdul Al-Said. She should
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: be horrified as well. Guys, stay with me. This is
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: The Hugh Hewitt Show. We've been focused on American politics,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: but one thing America is making a mess of things
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: right now is in the UK. It's because of Meghan
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and Harry. They're overseas, and we've got to get into
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: all of that drama next. Stick around. This is The
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Tudor Dixon, filling in for Hugh Hewitt.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow marks a year since the assassination of our friend
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: in this conservative movement, Charlie Kirk. I think all of
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: us have thought about what Charlie would think about what
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: we're seeing in these midterms, how quickly the Democratic Party
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: has shifted and what's taken place and how these socialist
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: folk heroes have been created on the left. We have
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Morgan McMichael Brown here today to talk to us about
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: all of this and honor the life of Charlie Kirk. Morgan,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me.
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me, Tudor.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It's been a long year. And as I think back
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to that day a year ago tomorrow, I was in
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: this office. I was actually in this room when it happened.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And I remember coming out of my studio and one
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of the girls in our office going, Charlie just got shot.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And none of us thinking, this could possibly be the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: end of his life. I mean, it was like so
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: surreal because we had just gone through the assassination attempts
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: on the president. We could not imagine this happening to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a young man with so much life ahead of him.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: But Turning Point has continued on. So tell us a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: little bit about how the organization has continued to honor
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Charlie and keep going and what the plan is for tomorrow.
• 19:25
  Speaker 11: You know, tomorrow marks that one year since his assassination,
• 19:28
  Speaker 11: and it truly was an unimaginable day.
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: I remember that day so clearly.
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: I actually recently had found out that I was pregnant
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: and didn't even get the chance to tell Charlie that
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: my husband and I were going to be welcoming our
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: first child into this world. And, you know, that's something
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: Charlie always encouraged me was, hey, get married, have kids,
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: as he does say publicly to everybody.
• 19:50
  Speaker 12: Else.
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: And I can tell you, it's the best life I've
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: ever asked for and wanted.
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: And, you know, through this last year of honoring his life,
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: that's kind of how I've dedicated the last year for
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: me is raising my son and really devoting time more
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: to my family and really just encouraging students those same
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: messages that Charlie spoke about. And tomorrow, I think back
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: to this day and just over the last year, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: I'm just really proud of the growth that Turning Point
• 20:16
  Speaker 11: has had, as well as the resiliency of the staff,
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: of every single one of our students, and just seeing
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: how the country has come together to continue on his legacy.
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: I mean, we have over 3,500 chapters now in Club America,
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: which is our high school program, over 1,500 college chapters.
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: And we really have over one million students involved.
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: And so, you know, we're seeing a lot of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: Democrats coming and trying to combat what's going on on
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: college campuses and really fight against Turning Point USA. But
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: I say that we are alive and well and will
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: continue to carry that legacy for years to come.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we just saw the story about people who were
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: working to recruit folks on a college campus and And
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: kind of an elderly man who was involved in helping
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: recruit kids for Turning Point. And the aggressive nature of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: these leftists and these young women who have been taught
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: something totally different than what you were talking about. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: appreciate the fact that you were talking about Charlie saying
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to you, get married, get married young, have children young.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I got married out of college, had a career. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: then I had my first daughter when I was 32.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And I still felt like, you know, I'm young. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: then as you have more kids, as you get older,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you have that sense of like, wow, I am going
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to be older when they have kids. And there's this overwhelming,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I want to be there for every moment of their life.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that's getting lost with a lot of
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: young women today. And in fact, I know one of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the gals that works with me, she says that She
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: has now had some of her friends there in their
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: 30s come back to her and be like, motherhood is
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the most incredible thing I've ever experienced. And I felt
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like I was lied to. How do we get that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: message across to young women that this is not something
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to run away from, that marriage is not something to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: run away from?
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: Absolutely.
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: And I think that's why the work that we're doing
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: with Turning Point USA and having conferences like the Women's
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: Leadership Summit is truly so important because Because for decades,
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: women have been lied to by the feminist movement, by
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: the corporate world, and really promoting a lifestyle that is
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: way less fulfilling, I can tell you, if not at
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: all fulfilling.
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: Than motherhood is.
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: I mean, I'm 26 years old and became a mom
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: just a few short months ago.
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: And I can tell you it is the most fulfilling thing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: And the best work that I've ever done being.
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: A mom is definitely not easy all the time, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: it is the most joyous job. And I think we
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: really need to continue to share that message to young
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: women and show them how beautiful motherhood is, show them
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: how beautiful marriage can be, and just continue to really
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: push forward American values and family values and restoring the
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: American dream. When you're talking to Gen Z, a lot
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: of young women and men in this country feel like
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: that the American dream is no longer attainable. And so
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: as long as we are focusing on issues, which Turning
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: Point is doing, coming on these campuses, talking about the
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: free market, talking about capitalism and maintaining the American dream,
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: I think we will start to see more young people
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: having children.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just talking about that here in Michigan,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: how to make sure that people get the American dream
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and what that can look like when it comes to
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: some of these candidates that are out there talking about it. Certainly,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Charlie was on the front lines of talking about young
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: people having that American dream. Just really quickly, tell us,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: what do you think Charlie would tell us today if
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: he were here?
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: I think he would tell us to keep going.
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: And that's something that one year ago, when a lot
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: of us wanted to shut down, silence ourselves.
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: Give up within the movement because Charlie was gone.
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: I think he would look us in the eyes and say, no,
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: keep going, keep fighting, make it bigger and live out
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: my life. He didn't die for nothing. If anything, he
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: died for this movement to continue to explode and.
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: Become bigger and bigger than it ever has been before.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: And I think that that's what we need to be
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: focusing on is the positive of continuing to equip young
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: people in this country and really give them the American
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: dream of American prosperity, that's what we should be focusing
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: on to live out his legacy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Morgan McMichael Brown, thank you
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: so much for coming here today to honor the life
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk.
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And thank you all for listening. I mean, exactly what
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: she is saying is what I think so many of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: us conservatives are trying to get across. And sometimes we
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: get criticism for talking about the American family and how
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: valuable that is. But I can tell you as a mom,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and as you just heard, as a mom who had
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: kids when I was older, that message is so important
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: for us to get to young women. Have children. Experience that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: What you're seeing online, all of the I am Lindsay
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Clancy ladies out there that are saying they're miserable as parents,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: that is not a representative of what motherhood is actually like.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And that's what Charlie would want you to know. Charlie
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: would want you to know that getting married, having a partner,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Having children is the best thing that can possibly happen
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to you. I can't believe it's been a year since
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: we lost Charlie. He was a true warrior for the Lord,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: and he will be desperately missed. Stay here. We have more.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Peter Dixon in for Hugh Hewitt today. This is Hour 2,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and we have a packed show for you today. A reminder,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: this is the first day of the Republican Convention in Dallas.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It's time to jazz up our base and talk about
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: All of our wins to get the vote out. You
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: know you're going to hear from some great people tonight.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear what happens in Dallas. This hour,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: we're going to be talking to Pastor Jerry Bishop, who
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is calling for a state of emergency in Michigan. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the reason may surprise you. We're also going to catch
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: up with Jesse Arm, a Michigander, who's going to give
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: us an update on how to feel about my home
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: state of Michigan. And later, we'll be joined by Julian Epstein,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a Democrat and former chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and staff director of the House Oversight Committee. Wonder what
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: he'd be saying about his own house now. I know
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: he has some things to say about the big tent
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: party and what exactly that means to our country. We're
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: also going to tell you how a flock camera nearly
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: ruined a young woman's life. I know you're all wondering
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: what those flock cameras are doing. Well, in some cases,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it's not so good. But right now, We're going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: welcome in Pastor Jerry Bishop of LifeQuest Church. Pastor Bishop,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: welcome to the program.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: I'm honored that you reached out to have me on
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: the program.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw this actually on X and it struck
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: me because I will tell you, I am not too
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: far away from you in West Michigan. And yesterday I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: was driving down the street and I saw the first
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: person that I have ever seen in my town. who
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: was in one of those, I don't know how to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: describe it other than one of those fentanyl statue-like states.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And I was stunned by it. I actually had to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: stop my car and ask myself, is that what I'm
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: really seeing? Is this person okay? But you're seeing probably
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the same thing in Grand Rapids. And you're saying that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: murder has increased by 33%. I mean, it's pretty bad.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You're calling for a state of emergency. What exactly are
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you seeing?
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: Well, what I'm seeing is what those that have open
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: eyes are seeing, but there are some things that are
• 27:39
  Speaker 13: behind the scenes that are not being accurately reported. We
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: all know what the murder statistics are. They're very heinous.
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: They're very unfortunate. However, what's being under or not reported
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: is the alarmingly high rates of suicide due to mental illness,
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: specifically among urban young African-American males.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, that actually is the first time I've really ever
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: heard that. We hear about the high incident in young women.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I actually talked to a social worker a couple years
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: ago in West Michigan who was telling me that in 2020,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: they were coming out once a month to this area,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to the Muskegon area, to the schools here. And that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: encompasses many different districts. And she said we were coming
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: out probably once a month for an overdose or a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: suicide attempt. And then in 24, she said it was
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: once a week. And I was stunned. You are absolutely right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: This is not something we hear about. We don't hear
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: about it at all.
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: Well, there's such an unhealthy mental health state, and I
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: can't speak of everywhere, but I do pastor in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: urban core, specifically the Third Ward of Grand Rapids. But
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: in many major metropolitan areas in the urban core, there's
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: an overwhelmingly, not only unreported, but undertreated segment of mental health.
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: A lot of it is brought on through cannabis abuse.
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: I mean, I'm dealing with many cases of bipolar schizophrenia, cannabis, psychosis.
• 29:15
  Speaker 13: Our young people are tragically dying without having proper intervention, prevention,
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: and relationship building.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring that up. I had Dr.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Drew recently on my podcast, and that's the Tudor Dixon podcast.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: We talked about this. He just happened to mention it
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: in passing, the marijuana psychosis that we're seeing. We had, we,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: had an employee at our company in Muskegon that went
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: through this. I had not heard that it was kind
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: of like a national issue, but especially an issue in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: states where marijuana is now legal. So you're seeing this
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: in teenagers because he was talking about it in 20s,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: people in their 20s and adults, but you're seeing this
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in teenagers with this marijuana psychosis, something I will say
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think people even know exists, most people.
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: Well, here's the thing. Let me reduce the number a
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: little bit. Because of the high amount of young people
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: under the age of 13 that are using vape pens,
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: nicotine vape pens are just terrible for our metabolism. However,
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: With the readily availability of marijuana, legal or illegal, it
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: is such a culture drug now that it just does
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: not get its just warning of what it does until
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: the ramifications are on you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: It's too late.
• 30:43
  Speaker 13: There's already an overwhelming feeling of hopelessness for many in
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: the urban core. Add a drug addiction onto it. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: it's so underreported because it is a taxable revenue driven
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: thing right now. It is a heinous cloud over our community,
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: which is leading to a bunch of mental health disorders,
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: poor academia. There's a lot tied to it that we
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: are refusing to acknowledge. And when you refuse to acknowledge it,
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: you refuse to treat it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Something you said earlier. really struck me, the age of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: these kids and the fact that you mentioned that it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: legal and illegal. This is something that if you live
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: outside of a state, or maybe even if you live
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: inside of a state where marijuana is legal and you're
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: not involved in the government in some way, you may
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: not understand. For example, in Michigan, I've been told by
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: law enforcement, well, we don't really go after illegal marijuana
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: anymore because it's really hard to figure out if somebody
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: is carrying around legal marijuana or illegal marijuana. And so
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: there is a black market for it that's very strong.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because there's also some regulations in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: actual marijuana market, but there's no regulations in the black market.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: So you have kids that don't even know what they're getting.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And I've heard that some of this marijuana has other
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: drugs in it as well. Have you found that?
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a high potency, specifically where it comes from,
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: of marijuana being basted with fentanyl, other properties. But even
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: if you buy marijuana at a regular cannabis dispensary, you're
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: able to titrate up the levels of THC to, no
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: pun intended, mind-boggling potency to the point where you consume
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: it enough, it can... really puts you in a deranged state.
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: But there's another category when you talk about regulation. Let's
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: talk about apathetic regulation. We know it exists. It's heinous
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: in our community. It shows up in literacy. It shows
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: up in lack of employment. The state of emergency needs
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: to be declared because death by suicide and gun violence
• 33:08
  Speaker 13: Is there a greater level of pandemic that's going untreated?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: This is I mean, this is what we're hearing. Absolutely.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: We've seen I mean, we just saw this terrible shooting
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: over three shootings over the weekend in Seattle. And you've
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: got some of these leftists coming out. I mean, Pastor,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the way they're talking about it. He's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: calling them trigger pullers instead of actually talking about the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: crime itself. If we're tiptoeing around it, we're not getting
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: anything done. Pastor Bishop, thank you so much for bringing
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: our attention to this today.
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: Honored to come on. Going forward, if you'd like to
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: talk a little deeper in depth, I'd love to communicate
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: with you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Sounds good.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: I will.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I will reach out to you. Thank you. And for
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: all of you who are listening, I just want to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: get into this a little deeper.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Dr.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Drew talked to us about this on my podcast, about
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: this marijuana psychosis. And he was saying that when you
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: have a teenager who does get involved with marijuana and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And even someone in their 20s, oftentimes someone who would
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: never have had bipolar or never have had schizophrenia, that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: triggers something. And as the pastor was saying, this marijuana
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: is higher levels of THC than we certainly saw when
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: we were young. This is a crisis. And I think
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: he's right. I think there does need to be more
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: education around this. I want to stick with Michigan next.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: We're not hearing anyone in the state talk about crime, death,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: gun violence, all of this But we're referencing the Middle
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: East constantly. We've got these socialist candidates. We talk about
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: prisons and defunding police. We're going to get into it
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: all next with Jerry Arm. Stick around. This is The
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Tudor Dixon in for Hugh Hewitt today. Look, everyone,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Abdul El-Sayed is running for Senate in Michigan, and he
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: says he's not a socialist, but he is a socialist. Well,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: maybe he's not. Maybe he's a communist. But regardless, This
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: denial and playing around with words, it's becoming like a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: common way to get around actually saying you're a socialist
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in their party. So I have Jesse Arm with me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: He is the vice president of external affairs at the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute. Jesse, welcome.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Great to see you, Tudor.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. So you are
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a Michigan grad. We won't talk about football because that's
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: still a little sore subject here in the state of Michigan.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: But we should talk about it because I don't know
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: if you've heard what Abdul says about it, but he
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: says it's very toxic, toxic masculinity.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're doing a good job filling in for Hugh
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Hewitt by giving me some trouble here for being a
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Michigan football fan. I don't know, Tudor, who do you
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: root for? Are you a Michigan fan, a Michigan State fan?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So here's the awkward thing about my life. I actually
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: went to the University of Kentucky. So when I was
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: running for office, I was like, look.
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: I love all of the Michigan schools.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But it is awkward now because I'm in Western Michigan.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: So a lot of Western Michigan fans are around me like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: what happened over the weekend?
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we've got some some faithless electors there
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: in the National College football rankings, not refusing to recognize
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: the Michigan win.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: That came through.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: So I don't know how to feel about it, but
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: it's a win in my book on Saturday night, even
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: if it wasn't pretty.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'm sure Abdul doesn't think it's a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: win at all because we absolutely know that he hates football.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: He's made it clear, even though he was nominated the captain, apparently,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of his football team. He had to go on a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: rant about how much he hates it. But he also
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: hates capitalism, even though he's lying to people. So I
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: want to play this clip of Abdul. It's clip 16.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear him say that he's not
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a socialist capitalist. But he thinks that we should have,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: everybody should be involved in parenting everyone's kids. Here it is.
• 36:57
  Speaker 15: You know, the number of times people debate whether I'm
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: a socialist or a capitalist, I'm not a socialist.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: I'm a scientist.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor.
• 37:05
  Speaker 15: But if I have one political philosophy, right, it's that
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: I want us to build what we would build if
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: we took seriously the idea that all of our kids
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: were all of our kids. If we started with that idea,
• 37:16
  Speaker 15: every child is our child, we would build incredible public schools.
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: We would guarantee everybody health care. We would guarantee child care.
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: We would stop putting money in bombs and tanks. Start
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: investing them in infrastructure.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: All right, let's jump out of this crazy clip. Can
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you believe that he is out there saying that he's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: not a socialist, but he wants big government to take
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: over everyone's children? We're all going to raise the children together.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But this is a trend that we're hearing. We're hearing
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Tallarico say he's not a socialist, but someone in New
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Hampshire say, I'm not a socialist, I'm a scientist. He's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: saying he's not a socialist, he's a scientist. Obviously, that's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: not what the media is asking them. But in that clip,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we got far enough. As he
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: starts talking about raising everyone else's kids, the person who's
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: interviewing him actually gets tears in her eyes. This is
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: what we're up against.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: It's an incredibly strange phenomenon, someone telling us exactly what
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: they're not and then explaining us why they're.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Exactly that thing.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: This is what Abdullah Syed is doing. He's not a socialist,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: but he just wants to rip Obamacare and the entire
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: private health insurance that 66% of Americans enjoy from their
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: employers to take that away with a government rule, single
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: payer alternative. Ditto this weird commentary about we want to
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: take your kids, we want to deal with Everyone's kids,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: although there are as though there are own deeply strange stuff,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: almost as strange as what we're hearing from James Tallarico.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: But the thing about Tallarico is at least he's willing
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: to say, boy, did I get a lot of stuff
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: wrong in 2020. Boy, was I crazy and woke back
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: in the old days. Maybe it's because he's running in Texas,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: which is historically a little bit more red than Michigan.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: But Abdul El-Said is unwilling to do even that. He
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: goes on Fox News and he says he won't debate
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: the question of whether or not small children should be
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: allowed to have sex reassignment surgeries.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: It's deeply bizarre stuff.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: And Abdul is actually surprising me in his total unwillingness
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: to even give an inch, except for rhetorically to just say,
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not a socialist. I just want the government to
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: do everything and control your lives and your kids.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: You make a great point, though.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I do think this is a good test cycle to
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: see if this can actually win, because historically we have
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: seen these radical socialists and really radical socialists.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: We've seen candidates across the aisle, too, who go through
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the primary with one message, and then they change it
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: for the general, and they kind of tighten it for
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the general, or they walk things back in the general.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Almost every candidate in some way... tries to pivot or
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: spin away from something that is a far left or
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: far right issue. But you're right. He hasn't. I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: even to the point of us coming up against the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: 25th anniversary of 9-11 and people constantly saying to him,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: are you going to say that you don't appreciate the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: fact that Hassan Piker said that? He won't even say that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: No, Abdullah Al-Said is not going to moderate one iota
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: when it comes to the Middle East because That is
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: why he's running for office. OK, I know he talks
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a lot throughout his campaign about he just wants to.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Give people free health care or whatever.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: That's not why Abdul El-Sayed entered Michigan electoral politics. Abdul
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: El-Sayed entered politics to import third worldism, ethnic grievances that
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: he holds.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: He's obsessed with. with Israel.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: He makes the entire race, everything out of his mouth
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: is about Israel, and this weird anti-Americanism that permeates when
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: on this 25th anniversary of 9-11, this guy, Abdul Saeed
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: in Michigan, is running with his top campaign surrogate, a
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: guy who says that America deserved 9-11. So it's really grotesque,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: and you're not going to see him moderate on that
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: at all, because that is what he feels in his
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: heart of hearts. That is the primary reason for his
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: entrance into American public life and political office.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I'm on the ground here in Michigan, and I honestly
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: have not heard someone explain it better than that. And
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that's what we've been saying on the ground. It's like
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: This guy isn't just running for Michigan. He is obsessed
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: with Israel. He complains that the media talks to him
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: about it, but he's the one bringing it up. He's
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the one obsessed with Israel. So really quick, before I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: let you go, we just finally saw one poll that
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: has Mike Rogers above him. This is the first time,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: which is shocking to me. What's your prediction? Does he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: win or does Mike squeak it out and get to Washington?
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I think this is a jump ball election in Michigan.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: The national climate is not friendly to Republicans in this
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: cycle for a myriad of different reasons. But the situation
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: in Michigan is such that extremism is really on the ballot.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Like we said earlier, Tudor, at least James Tallarico in
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Texas is sprinting in the opposite direction away from his
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: god awful record. Josh Turek in Iowa is trying to
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: present himself as something of a normie. Abdul El-Sayed is
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: not interested in that. He is an extremist. The third worldism,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: the socialist adjacency, you know, bringing those DSA guys to
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: knock all those doors throughout the state of Michigan.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: That is the point.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: He is a radical. So it's about how far can
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: they go and get away with and still get across
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: the finish line. We've got one poll out today that
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: shows Rogers up one. Another poll out today from CNN
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: that shows Abdul up three. It's within the margin of
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: error either way. It's a jump ball election in Michigan
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: this cycle.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Jesse. I appreciate your perspective. I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you bring a really great explanation, explainer of what's happening
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: in Michigan right now. Socialism always comes with big government
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: guys and big government likes to own you. We're going
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to talk about big government watching you next, flock cameras
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and what one woman had to deal with after a
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: flock camera accused her of something she didn't do right
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: after this. This is the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Tudor
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Dixon in for Hugh Hewitt today. We are on the
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: ground following what's happening in Dallas. But right now we
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: want to discuss what's happening with Iran and what's happening
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: with peace through strength. It seems like we're kind of
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: economically choking them out and it seems to be working.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But I want to bring in Jim Talent to talk
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: about this today. He's a former U.S. senator and he
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: has some good information on what we need to be
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: doing even to build up our Navy ships. Thank you
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: so much, Jim, for joining me today.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Tudor.
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: You've raised a couple of really good topics. I'm happy
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: to address them.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the Navy ships are very interesting to me. I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a former steel girl, and I know that when I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: was in the steel industry at that time, we were
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: talking about the specs being hard to meet. Some of
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: our Navy steel had to come from Europe. We couldn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: make it all here. So I do think that that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: a big concern that people aren't aware of. We need
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: more ships. We're falling behind China. What is the answer
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to that?
• 44:15
  Speaker 14: Well, the answer is what the administration is doing. I mean,
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: this is head and shoulders, the most aggressive administration in
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: terms of rebuilding our American, the American maritime industry and
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: reestablishing American maritime dominance, which is really important to her.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, we are an.
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: Ocean going nation, a sea going nation. And yet the
• 44:36
  Speaker 14: Navy right now is smaller than it has ever been
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: since before World War I. Now, in order to rebuild it,
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: there's a number of things we need to do. We
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: need to put money into it, order a lot of ships,
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: and not just the biggest surface ships or the capital ships,
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: but smaller ones, including commercial vessels, that smaller shipyards can build.
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: We need to help finance.
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: Building more shipyards and expanding those that exist. We need
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: to address the problem with a shortage of skilled labor
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: because shipbuilding requires tens of thousands of skilled people. And
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: the administration has a comprehensive plan to do that, to
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: do all of those things. I wrote about it a
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: couple of weeks ago in National Review. I'm just thrilled
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: that they're taking this on. It's an enormous task. It's
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: a whole of America task, really, but it's one I
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: think we can do. And it's a personal priority of
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: the president. So more power to him. And, you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: I'll help him in any way I can.
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: I agree.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's so critical that we continue with this
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: and that we don't allow the Democrats to get in
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the way, because obviously we see candidates like in my
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: home state of Michigan, Abdul Al-Said, who says we don't
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: want to spend any money on the military. But the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: training issue that you brought up is so critical because
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I think any type of metalworking we've fallen behind in
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the United States with training. Even some of our universities
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: are not they don't even have the metallurgical degree that
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: they used to have. So I do think it is
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: critical that we invest in that. I love that this
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: administration has done that. It was one of the things
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: that I was so excited about when I heard that
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: they were going to make sure we brought that kind
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of trade, a skilled trade back. But also that we are,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of course, keeping ourselves safe, keeping the country safe. We
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: did just have an unmanned submarine that was taken by Iran,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: or at least they're saying that they have it and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: they want to give it to China. They want to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: give it to Russia. Give us an update on what
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you think is happening in Iran.
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: Well, I don't think that's been confirmed by CENTCOM, but
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: it's supposedly their big victory. So let me put this
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: in context for you, Tudor. What we're seeing is over
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: the course of the last six or seven months is
• 46:51
  Speaker 14: a systematic application of American national power in order to
• 46:56
  Speaker 14: destroy the capabilities of an enemy at very little risk
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: to our people and relatively little sacrifice for us. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: first we, in a five and a half week bombing campaign,
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: destroyed their military capability and their military industrial base. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: ever since then, we have been attacking what military experts
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: would call their center of gravity, Tudor, which is the
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: center of gravity is the primary source by which you
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: operate your essential.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Kinds of functions.
• 47:31
  Speaker 14: And their center of gravity is their ability to fund
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: and sustain their repressive mechanism. So we're blockading them, which
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: is cutting off 70, 80% of their oil revenue at minimum.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: And now we've got Operation Economic Outcast, which is which
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: is stopping their financial intermediaries. So they can't get the
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: money they've looted from their economy. They can't do transactions.
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: And it's absolutely squeezing them to death. You know, at
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: the beginning of this and for months after this whole
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: effort started, I emphasized the fact that the announced mission
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: was to destroy their capabilities, whether the regime ended or not,
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: was not the object of the mission. I think it's
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: now pretty clear, though, that that This economic squeeze is
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: imperiling the regime. And Duane and I talked about it
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: last night on the Duane's World podcast. And I now
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: think the regime is going to collapse. I think it's inevitable.
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: It's just a matter of time because their strongest supporters,
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: the people who actually believe the propaganda, which is a
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: small percentage of the people in Iran, they're beginning to
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: get disillusioned as they see how empty the regime's threats are.
• 48:46
  Speaker 14: And of course, the people hate them They can't fund
• 48:50
  Speaker 14: the Basij and the other security forces, and they're getting
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: increasingly desperate. And you can tell by their body language
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: and you can tell by Scott Besant's body language that
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: we've got them by the you-know-whats, and we're going to
• 49:06
  Speaker 14: continue squeezing.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: All right. So I have about a minute left on
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the same subject. I think we're seeing massive success. It
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like on the ground here in the United
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: States that people understand. This is like when we saw
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. Union fall, that there is a method
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to the madness here. How do you explain that to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the American people that this is working?
• 49:28
  Speaker 14: Well, I think with regard to the issue I just mentioned,
• 49:32
  Speaker 14: you just tell them what's going on. Now, you're going
• 49:34
  Speaker 14: to have to go around the press and which is
• 49:37
  Speaker 14: even now, though, is starting to have to admit that
• 49:39
  Speaker 14: this is working. You know, if I can address that
• 49:42
  Speaker 14: a little more generally, because you've said some really good
• 49:45
  Speaker 14: things about what our candidates ought to be saying and
• 49:48
  Speaker 14: what their supporters ought to be saying. Yes, we ought
• 49:51
  Speaker 14: to say that the Democrats are running all these radicals.
• 49:54
  Speaker 14: They're not progressives. They're radical socialists. El-Sayed is the poster
• 49:59
  Speaker 14: child for that. Oh, and by the way, when he
• 50:01
  Speaker 14: says I'm not a socialist, number one, he is. But
• 50:05
  Speaker 14: what that proves is he's not a very good politician
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: because you don't sit there and deny the charge. You
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: say what you are. So Mike Rogers is going to
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: win that race. We also need to remind people of
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: what life was like under Biden. He's the one who
• 50:21
  Speaker 14: started the inflation. You know, Tudor, inflation under the president
• 50:25
  Speaker 14: has been lower than any year. The Biden administration never
• 50:30
  Speaker 14: had a single year with inflation as low as it
• 50:33
  Speaker 14: is today. And so talk about the good things we're
• 50:36
  Speaker 14: doing and compare it with the radical nature of the
• 50:38
  Speaker 14: Democratic candidates.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You heard it here. Thank you, Jim.
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• 52:52
  Speaker 2: the heck is going on under that big tent that
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: they love so much. Julian Epstein will join us. We
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: have Mary Catherine Hamm will tell us where the Republicans
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: are headed in this midterm and what she thinks about 9-11.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Lindsey Clancy juries are talking, jurors are talking, and it's
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: also pretty stomach-turning. We're going to get into that. And
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: of course, we're going to answer a question I know
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: you guys have all wondered about. We're the dinosaurs doting parents.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: But first, our guest, Julian Epstein. He is the former
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: chief counsel of to the House Judiciary Committee and Staff
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Director of the House Oversight Committee. Julian, thank you so
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: much for joining me today.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Tudor, it's great to be with you again.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: So I had you on my podcast years ago, and
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: you were warning about this whole big tent, and that's
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: what we keep hearing. And I have to say to you,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I have really thought a lot lately about the fact
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: that it used to be very clearly Republicans versus Democrats.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and yet all Americans, all focused on American values, focused
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: on the Constitution. And there was a real security in
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that even if your candidate lost, the other
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: candidate wasn't going to be completely anti-American and try to
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: get rid of the Constitution. But that's not how it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: feels today. What is happening with Democrats?
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a great point, Tudor.
• 54:16
  Speaker 16: I remember when I was going through the impeachment of Clinton,
• 54:20
  Speaker 16: in 1998. And my counterpart, who was the chief counsel
• 54:24
  Speaker 16: on the Republican side for Henry Hyde, you know, we
• 54:26
  Speaker 16: were great friends.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: We would have lunch all the time. We would talk.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: We would disagree. But, you know, at the end of
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: the day, we all wanted what was best for the country.
• 54:34
  Speaker 16: And what has happened with the Democrats is, you know,
• 54:39
  Speaker 16: they have accepted the lunatics into the tent for this
• 54:43
  Speaker 16: campaign season, and soon they're going to start negotiating with
• 54:46
  Speaker 16: them on policy. And This lunatic wing has a very
• 54:50
  Speaker 16: masochistic ideology. I mean, it wants to take down everything
• 54:54
  Speaker 16: that has made the West great. And so you ask
• 54:56
  Speaker 16: the question, why are they playing footsie, more than playing footsie?
• 54:59
  Speaker 16: Why are they, you know, getting into bed with this
• 55:02
  Speaker 16: lunatic socialist, really Marxist wing? The DSA is run by Marxists,
• 55:07
  Speaker 16: self-declared Marxists. And I think some of it has to
• 55:11
  Speaker 16: do with social media and the culture of social media,
• 55:13
  Speaker 16: which rewards rage culture. Jonathan Turley's written about that quite well.
• 55:19
  Speaker 16: But I think it's also the failure of liberalism, postmodern liberalism.
• 55:23
  Speaker 16: Postmodern liberalism, Tudor, I think, is basically built around the
• 55:27
  Speaker 16: idea that there are permanent victims in this country. Either
• 55:32
  Speaker 16: your gender or your racial, ethnic identity makes you a
• 55:36
  Speaker 16: permanent victim. There are permanent persecutors, whether it is the
• 55:40
  Speaker 16: democratic free market or the man. And then there's rescuers
• 55:44
  Speaker 16: who are the Democrats. They're rescuing people from this oppressive society.
• 55:49
  Speaker 16: this oppressive society in their worldview. You know, it is
• 55:53
  Speaker 16: a psychotic worldview. This is the most free country and
• 55:59
  Speaker 16: upwardly mobile country that civilization that has ever been designed
• 56:03
  Speaker 16: by in the history of humanity. I mean, if you take,
• 56:08
  Speaker 16: for example, if you take a family at the poverty line,
• 56:12
  Speaker 16: family of four at the poverty line is $ 33, 000. They're
• 56:14
  Speaker 16: probably making They probably get $ 20, 000 in welfare benefits.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: $ 55, 000 a year.
• 56:22
  Speaker 16: You take $ 55, 000 a year and plop it down anywhere
• 56:25
  Speaker 16: else in the rest of the world, 95% of the
• 56:26
  Speaker 16: rest of the world, they're.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Going to be wealthy.
• 56:28
  Speaker 16: I mean, that is how good the West has done
• 56:32
  Speaker 16: by even the poorest amongst us.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: It's not perfect. There are problems.
• 56:38
  Speaker 16: You know, we talk about sort of the race question.
• 56:42
  Speaker 16: In the last census, I think there were 15 to
• 56:44
  Speaker 16: 20 ethnic groups that ethnic minorities that were making more
• 56:48
  Speaker 16: than whites. So if we have a system of racial
• 56:53
  Speaker 16: supremacy or white supremacy or whatever you want to call it,
• 56:57
  Speaker 16: it doesn't work very well if 15 or 20 minority
• 56:59
  Speaker 16: groups are making more on average than whites. If you
• 57:04
  Speaker 16: want to look at the jobs that were created in
• 57:06
  Speaker 16: the last year, about 500,000 of them, I think the
• 57:08
  Speaker 16: estimate is 95% of them went to women, according to
• 57:12
  Speaker 16: the reports that I saw. So this notion, this false
• 57:15
  Speaker 16: notion of that we're living in an oppressive or unfair
• 57:17
  Speaker 16: society is a con job that the Democrats and the
• 57:21
  Speaker 16: left keeps feeding, not because they want to help people,
• 57:24
  Speaker 16: but because it helps them gain power. You know, if
• 57:27
  Speaker 16: we have a free country, if we have a free market,
• 57:30
  Speaker 16: then the left, left-wing intellectuals, left-wing activists have no role.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: They have no job. They have no status. It's only
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: when they.
• 57:40
  Speaker 16: Gaslight the public into believing that they are somehow being
• 57:44
  Speaker 16: oppressed or they are victims that that they can then
• 57:46
  Speaker 16: gain power by having more centralized control in the government.
• 57:51
  Speaker 16: And the people that are designing this become the overlords
• 57:55
  Speaker 16: that administer a whole set of welfare policies or sort
• 57:59
  Speaker 16: of race essentialism policies. And that's the inevitable drift of
• 58:03
  Speaker 16: postmodern liberalism. And it just keeps getting worse and worse.
• 58:06
  Speaker 16: So I was talking to your producer before he came
• 58:08
  Speaker 16: on the line. He says, you know, you've been warning
• 58:10
  Speaker 16: about this for years. And I said, Yeah, but this
• 58:12
  Speaker 16: is sort of the inevitable drift of postmodern liberalism.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It just keeps going to the.
• 58:16
  Speaker 16: Left because the liberal welfare state and identity politics never delivers,
• 58:22
  Speaker 16: so people have to dig in deeper.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you're talking about is an America that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is then separated by oligarch and absolute poverty. I mean,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: this is what we're looking at if we actually enact
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: these socialist policies. And something you said there about white supremacy–
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've heard all of these candidates and you
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: brought up social media inflaming these words, which I think
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: is true. It's interesting to me that it seems to
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: be the most educated people that are the most susceptible
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: to this. So the young 20s and 30s that went
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: to some of the greatest universities we have in the country.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: here are these candidates out there that are saying capitalism
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: is a system based on white supremacy. And I will say,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I will give some of the mainstream media a little
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: credit because some of them have called them out and said,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: what exactly do you mean by that? But you and
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I both know it doesn't matter what they mean by that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: They've already won people over just by saying that. Isn't
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: that right?
• 59:21
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 59:22
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's George Orwell's line that some ideas are
• 59:24
  Speaker 16: so stupid that only intellectuals could believe them.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: But it's It's not just that it's a stupid idea.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: It's a manipulative idea.
• 59:32
  Speaker 16: I mean, Arthur Brooks, who is the expert on happiness
• 59:37
  Speaker 16: at Harvard University, has done a lot of work on this.
• 59:40
  Speaker 16: When you tell people they're victims, that becomes the easiest
• 59:46
  Speaker 16: way you can manipulate people. Tell someone they're a victim
• 59:50
  Speaker 16: and you can manipulate them to believing any sort of
• 59:52
  Speaker 16: political program you want them to believe in. And that's
• 59:55
  Speaker 16: what the Democratic Party does. today is about. It wasn't
• 59:58
  Speaker 16: when I was active in democratic politics. When I was active,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 16: you know, in the 90s and early 2000s, it was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 16: much more about building, building for the future, trying to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 16: work in a bipartisan way.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Sure, we have disagreements, but let's work through them and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: build for the future.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 16: Now it is all about this country is a bad
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 16: place and it is an oppressive place. And we are
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 16: going to be the rescuers that will liberate you from
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 16: this oppression. The problem is, is that none of the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 16: facts back it up and none of the policies they
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 16: designed ever do much to solve the problem. I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 16: the welfare state has spent, what, $ 20 trillion? And we
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 16: haven't seen a radical improvement in the poverty rate. Although,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 16: as I say, even the poorest amongst us are doing
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 16: very well by global standards. So it is a symptom
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 16: of the fact that the left has run out of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 16: ideas as to how to build for the future. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 16: you see this manifesting itself everywhere. I mean, you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 16: the AI, I mean, people may not like data centers.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I get that. But we are in a global arms
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: race with the Chinese right now.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 16: And if the Chinese win the AI race, our standard
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 16: of living and a lot of what we take for
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 16: granted is going to decline precipitously. And, you know, I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 16: think it's up to our political leaders, Republicans and Democrats
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 16: to explain, you know, what the stakes are in some
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 16: of these big fights that we have, not just with AI,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 16: but certainly with Iran. You know, if Iran gets preemptive
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 16: power in the Mideast, they begin to take over the Mideast.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 16: The global economy changes. Our standard of living goes down precipitously.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 16: our influence around the globe goes down precipitously. And it's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 16: all for the worst. We are a force for the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 16: good in the world. We are a force for liberty.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 16: We're a force for democratic free markets. And if Iran
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 16: gains a stronger foothold in the Middle East through its
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 16: preemptive power, you know, it's not just bad for us.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 16: It's bad for everyone in the region who would then
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 16: begin to fall prey to the axis of authoritarian powers, Russia, China, Iran,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 16: North Korea, so forth.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: So there are big stakes that we're facing.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 16: And this the American sort of tinge that is growing
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 16: increasingly on the left and inside the Democratic Party is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 16: exactly contrary to what we ought to be working on
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 16: on a bipartisan basis.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: And again, we agree.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, Julian Epstein, thank you. I mean, it's been great
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: hearing what you have to say. We absolutely agree. It's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: wonderful to hear a Democrat that is talking the way
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Democrats used to talk. We need more of that. Stick around.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: We'll be back. This is the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Tudor Dixon in for Hugh Hewitt today. This week we
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: are thinking about 9-11. It's the 25th anniversary of September
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: 11th and the tragedy that happened that day. And I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: think for all of us, all of us who were
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: around during that time, we're just thinking of those memories
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: of that day and what happened and the days after.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And I know this week I've been talking to my
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: own kids about it and they didn't live through it.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: They're younger and just going through what the day was
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: like for me. what it was like for those families,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: how we honor those families, and how we never forget
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that moment. And yet, for some people, it feels like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: that has been forgotten. And we see what's happening in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: New York. We see what's happening with Mayor Mamdani. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring Mary Catherine Hamm in to talk about
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: this because I know that she's got an opinion on it.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Mary Catherine, thank you so much for joining me today.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Sure thing.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: So as we look at this day and we look
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: at 9-11, it's coming up this 25th anniversary. I feel
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: for these families that are coming out. This is 25
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: years later. For them, it's still very fresh. I mean,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: grief is an interesting thing, especially when that time of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: year comes around. It's always very hard. And there are
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: it's sort of a split. There are some families that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: don't want the mayor to go. What is your thought
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: on that?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think first and foremost for me, I think
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 12: you have a duty to be as sensitive as possible
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: to the people who suffered the most that day.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: And those families are it, right?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: So you need to undertake anything you do in an
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: official capacity with as much sensitivity to them as possible.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 12: And no matter what you think of his motivations, I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: would say... handing the pen to the guy who has
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 12: in the past defended in his lawyer capacity the brother
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: of a 9-11 hijacker does not exemplify that kind of sensitivity, right?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: And it's not that, you know, whatever, the guy's in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: his cabinet. He doesn't have to be there that second
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 12: doing that proclamation, does he? He could be elsewhere. And
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: I think a lot of people rightly read that as
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 12: disrespectful and possibly on purpose. And I think it's fair
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 12: for families to be annoyed by that.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I think it should be something that we I mean,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: we have to be able to talk about this. We're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: seeing this across the Democratic Party as we're going into
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: these midterms. The conversation about 9-11 has been pretty consistent
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: actually for months. I mean, we are obviously looking at
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: this as a time to honor these families, to honor
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: the people that went. I mean, so many people enlisted
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: after this. This was a time of great tragedy, but
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: also great coming together for our country today. And now
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: it's this weird thing where I see the Democrats splitting
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: their whole party over this one issue, which used to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: be so unifying. And I have to say that Hassan
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Piker is one of those people that went out. He
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: campaigned with Mamdani. He's campaigning in Michigan. You know, my
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: home state is Michigan. As we're going into these midterms
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: and we have this convention going on in Dallas, it
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: really feels like this is a fight to get back
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: to that place of unity for the Yeah, I mean.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 12: I think the question for Americans and for those who
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: lost people on 9-11 is, do they have to tolerate
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: people who equate, for instance, the intentional slaughter of thousands
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 12: of American civilians with civilian aircraft by terrorists? to conventional
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 12: warfare that was waged to make sure that never happened again, right?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 12: All these guys who are in public office, some of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: them are seeking public office and have power and hang
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: around with Hassan Piker, who thinks America had it coming.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: That's the argument they make.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 12: That these two things are equivalent and that the warfare
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 12: to prevent such terror attacks in the future, which we
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: did a pretty good job of, is illegitimate and evil.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: And I don't accept that as an American.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 12: Families whose family members died on 9-11 certainly don't have
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 12: to accept that. They don't have to be called Islamophobic
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 12: if they have issues with this particular point of view,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: which is really prevalent in the Democratic Party. And it
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 12: ticks me off that people think that we should all
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 12: just accept that.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: We don't.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's legitimate. I don't accept hurt people
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 10: hurt people for 9-11.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 13: Sorry.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something that Abdul El-Said in Michigan said.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because he came out and he was like, look,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: terrorism is bad, but, and that is actually a quote,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: terrorism is bad, but, and then that but went on
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: to say, essentially, hurt people hurt people, but he came
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: back to that and he was saying, you have to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: understand that the things that Americans do are causing this
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: terrorism worldwide. And yet he's trying to run on a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: platform where he's saying, well, I want to bring health
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: care to kids in Michigan. And by attacking all of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: these outside protections against terrorism. That's how I'm going to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: bring health care to kids. And for some reason, it's working,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: which blows my mind. I mean, it's kind of like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy effect. It's like if you make a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: big deal out of it and you have sort of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: a show, which I think her attorney did, then people
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: will come around you. And people have really come around
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Abdul with this message. But his complete focus is on
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: crushing Israel. I know.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: I think there's a bit of a normalcy bias for everyone, too,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 12: 25 years on, and having actually done a pretty good
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 12: job as a country protecting ourselves from huge attacks from.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 10: Outside the U.S.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 12: Or from, there are lone wolves here and there, but
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 12: we've done a pretty good job. I do think there
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 12: is a tendency for people to go, maybe that chapter's over.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: The part that surprises me is that people, and I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: think they might reject it in the end, The idea
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: that anyone is OK with the version that says hurt people,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: hurt people and justifies the kind of terroristic attacks that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 12: we have endured and that the Jewish people endure regularly. That's,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: in fact, what he said that about on that attack
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 12: in Michigan against a Jewish synagogue that housed a preschool. Luckily,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: it did not happen. It was Hezbollah inspired. It was
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 12: in his own state. And he has this whole florid story.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 12: discussion about the feelings of the guy who wanted to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: kill the Jewish children. I don't care about that guy's
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 12: feelings right now. I care about the people he was
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: trying to kill. And on 9-11 and 9-11's anniversary, that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 12: pain is foremost. And if you want to have a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 12: foreign policy conversation another time, you can do that.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Well, so I'm looking at what we're talking about here
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: in Dallas this week. And obviously this is starting today
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: and we're expecting to hear people really rally the base
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: and get people out. But this does loom in the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: background that there is a we're not fighting the Democrat
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Party anymore. We're fighting a socialist party. They just had
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: the socialists just had their big convention in Chicago, which
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: if you are out there thinking socialism is not really
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: that big of a threat. It was a convention that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: well attended. Abdul's sister was actually one of the speakers there.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: It is it is a serious and growing group in
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: the United States. And I look at this and I
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  Speaker 2: say we are out there. Too many Republicans are out
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  Speaker 2: there today still thinking that they are going up against
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  Speaker 2: Democrats in this midterm. And they are not. They are
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  Speaker 2: going up against socialists. And in some time, in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: I heard someone say it's common sense versus communism. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that could be right.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think it's a very clear and to
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  Speaker 12: some extent fortunate face-off for Republicans who might have other
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  Speaker 12: challenges in a midterm election, obviously, for a party that's
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  Speaker 12: in power. But it's going to end up being a
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  Speaker 12: referendum either on Trump and the economy, which people have
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  Speaker 12: their discontentment with, or on the other side, the weirdo
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  Speaker 12: DSA guy on the other side of the ballot. And
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  Speaker 12: the weirder that guy gets, the better off the Republican
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  Speaker 12: is running on the other side. And I do think
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  Speaker 12: Even those people in the center or common sense voters
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  Speaker 12: who don't maybe get moved by the idea of socialism
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  Speaker 12: being scary, you can look at those clips from the
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  Speaker 12: socialism gathering and go, look. These people want to live
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  Speaker 12: in 2020 and 2021 for the rest of our lives.
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  Speaker 12: If you give them a tiny bit of power, they
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  Speaker 12: will take you back there. I know you don't want
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  Speaker 12: to live there in 2020 for the rest of America's history,
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  Speaker 12: but they will insist upon it as they speak with
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  Speaker 12: their masks on. And if you look at old videos
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  Speaker 12: of Tallarico or El Sayed or any of these old tweets,
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  Speaker 12: they have obliged us by being on video and in
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  Speaker 12: type saying these things.
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  Speaker 10: So tell people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Mary Katherine Hamm, you are right as always. It was
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  Speaker 2: great having you on today. Everyone stick around. We've got
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  Speaker 2: a great show coming up. This is the Hugh Hewitt Show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tudor Dixon filling in for Hugh today. There is
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  Speaker 2: this crazy phenomenon happening across this country. Women are defending
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy's horrific murder of her three children. this is
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  Speaker 2: not where the whole country is, just so you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how we ended up in a mistrial.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at this new poll from YouGov, and yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's shocking to me, but we're actually polling the country
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  Speaker 2: as to where they think they are in the Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: Clancy murder trial. Said, is Lindsay Clancy guilty of murder
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  Speaker 2: based on what you know? And 46% said yes, guilty. 21%
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  Speaker 2: said not guilty. And yet we end up with This
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  Speaker 2: situation where we have a mistrial and we have the
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  Speaker 2: jurors coming out and talking about it now and they're
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  Speaker 2: saying crazy things. But then they broke that down by party,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is the most interesting. And Republicans, it
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  Speaker 2: was 48 percent saying guilty and Democrats, three. 48 to 3.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that is a shocking split. So I have
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  Speaker 2: Theo Wald here. He is a former assistant attorney general
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  Speaker 2: and former White House deputy assistant for domestic policy under
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  Speaker 2: President Trump to talk about this today. Theo, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for joining me. Are you surprised as an
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  Speaker 2: attorney yourself to see how this happened? Because it almost
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  Speaker 2: feels like her attorney was able to kind of weaponize
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  Speaker 2: social media and women's emotions against her. prosecution here.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, Tudor, thanks for having me. I think that's a
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  Speaker 17: great place to start the conversation. I've said for the
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  Speaker 17: length of this trial that what you're seeing here is
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  Speaker 17: really this bizarre convergence of trial by social media, the
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  Speaker 17: growth of true crime podcasting, which has really infected a
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  Speaker 17: lot of people's minds, where they're always looking for the
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  Speaker 17: hidden gun, the third suspect, the empty chair, the invisible man,
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  Speaker 17: and then This last part where you have increasingly an
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  Speaker 17: inability from prosecutorial teams to really cast a bout for
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  Speaker 17: the right.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of juror.
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  Speaker 17: Normally, you would have assumed that middle-aged women who are
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  Speaker 17: either grandmothers or mothers themselves would have been sympathetic to
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  Speaker 17: the plight of these three children. And instead, I think
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  Speaker 17: what they ended up with was a jury of largely women,
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  Speaker 17: nine women jurors, who had nothing but sympathy for Ms.
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  Speaker 17: Clancy and no sympathy at all for her former husband
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  Speaker 17: or her three murdered children. I think these things are
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  Speaker 17: all sort of a really bizarre convergence. And it's not
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  Speaker 17: just happening in bizarre jurisdictions like Massachusetts, because let's remember,
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  Speaker 17: Massachusetts really is one of the least church, least Christian
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  Speaker 17: places in the country now. So whether it's from abortion
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  Speaker 17: policy or to this case, we shouldn't be surprised that
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  Speaker 17: people really have you know, little sympathy for the three
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  Speaker 17: murdered little children. But nonetheless, this is playing out all
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  Speaker 17: across the country. And we're seeing it in this way
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  Speaker 17: where juries are using something we call jury nullification, essentially
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  Speaker 17: weighing the evidence that's been presented to them and the
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  Speaker 17: clear sort of concise description of the law and saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 17: we don't really care.
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 17: Because I heard something on social media or as these
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  Speaker 17: jurors told us yesterday, you know, they use their own
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  Speaker 17: expertise as nurses to really inform folks of the toxicology
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  Speaker 17: reports in their insight. And so jurors know best and
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  Speaker 17: they're going to reach an outcome based on, sadly, their
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  Speaker 17: tribal affiliation. And here the tribal affiliation was women looking
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  Speaker 17: out for a woman.
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  Speaker 2: It's so interesting that you bring that up because hindsight
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  Speaker 2: is 20-20. So as I'm listening to this and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the jury was made up of a lot of teachers
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  Speaker 2: and nurses. I'm like, well, maybe that was a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: But then you make such a great point. If you're
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  Speaker 2: the prosecution, you're thinking, here's a bunch of women who
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  Speaker 2: teach children and nurses who take care of sick people.
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  Speaker 2: Those people are going to be sympathetic. But it was interesting,
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  Speaker 2: this weird obsession with this attorney, because I think that
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  Speaker 2: if this were Donald Trump, they would have absolutely hate.
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  Speaker 2: These are probably people who hate Donald Trump. But I
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  Speaker 2: want to play something for you. It's clip six, and
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  Speaker 2: it's them talking about the attorney, which is quite stunning.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is. Just his whole demeanor.
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  Speaker 16: Was funny.
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  Speaker 2: And there was one time, whatever he said, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but I went.
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  Speaker 12: Because he was entertaining, which was good because we needed
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  Speaker 12: some of that.
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  Speaker 2: And arrogant at the same time. Yes. Like arrogant and entertaining.
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  Speaker 12: He would go back and forth between that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But compassionate.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 14: Through his, with his arrogance.
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  Speaker 2: His compassion towards Lindsay was amazing. These seem like women
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  Speaker 2: who would be all over toxic masculinity. And yet I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that was probably the definition of it. And
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  Speaker 2: they were salivating over him. How did this happen?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's such a great way of putting it, Tudor.
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  Speaker 17: Honestly, this is one of those things that should frighten
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  Speaker 17: any American when you consider these are the same folks
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  Speaker 17: who are voting on laws and participating in our elections.
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  Speaker 17: You know, their view of the evidence, their view of
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  Speaker 17: what was presented by the prosecution really didn't matter much.
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  Speaker 4: It was, hey, he was entertaining. Look, this is a
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  Speaker 4: page right out of the O.J.
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  Speaker 13: Simpson.
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  Speaker 17: Trial playbook, right, which is don't necessarily cast about for
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  Speaker 17: the best attorneys. Get the ones that are going to
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  Speaker 17: keep the jury interested and entertained. F. Lee Baker, you know,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 17: Johnny Cochran, Robert Shapiro. I mean, they were attorneys, you know,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 17: really lauded defense attorneys in their own right.
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  Speaker 4: But their real skill was keeping the jury suspicious of
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  Speaker 4: the prosecution and entertained. And you heard it here.
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  Speaker 17: So this great sort of bedrock principle of our Constitution,
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  Speaker 17: trial by jury, actually turns out to be something of
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  Speaker 17: a circus in 2026 America. And I think what the
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  Speaker 17: three women here also give you is they're not really
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  Speaker 17: telling you, well, we weighed this evidence this way.
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  Speaker 4: We thought really deliberately about this.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 17: he was arrogant, he was entertaining, or what should be
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  Speaker 17: most damning was he seemed so compassionate toward his client.
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  Speaker 17: We don't want that from our defense bar. We don't
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  Speaker 17: want them to be compassionate. We want them to be
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  Speaker 17: reasonable and truthful, zealous in their defense of their client.
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  Speaker 17: But we're not looking for someone who's, as he described later,
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  Speaker 17: Lindsay Clancy is an awesome woman of the highest caliber,
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  Speaker 17: and I was honored to represent her. She admitted to
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 17: murdering her three children. Whether or not She deserves, you know,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 17: a full sort of representation in court. Of course she does.
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  Speaker 17: But she admitted to being a murderer. And the idea that,
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  Speaker 17: you know, Reddington is somehow a hero for finding compassion
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  Speaker 17: for her is kind of gross.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I can't. I could not agree more. Theo Wold,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me today. I really
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. It was great having you here. Theo makes
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  Speaker 2: such great points. As we're watching this, has the courtroom
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  Speaker 2: become theater again? And can you entertain the jury to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: a point of getting them to just do what you want?
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  Speaker 2: And can you use social media to do that? And
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  Speaker 2: in this case, I think there is the question of
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: should this jury have been sequestered the entire time so
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't be influenced by him becoming this social media influencer?
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  Speaker 2: You're an attorney. I mean, it's shocking.