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TMCP Ep 11: Did Roach Deserve Better? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing it six foot five weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sinn City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing in five foot nine Wayne Town
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  Speaker 1: with six wins.
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  Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late.
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  Speaker 3: Payments on student loans.
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  Speaker 2: And two total painkruptcies.
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  Speaker 3: HiT's the class fee. I'll go hard. Thank you. Welcome
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  Speaker 3: back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast. My
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  Speaker 3: name is Jamison Welsh and I am joined with the
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  Speaker 3: classy alcoholic classy. What's going on? Man? Man?
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  Speaker 2: I am feeling great. We're here with episode eleven, our
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  Speaker 2: first episode March, which is an awesome month. It's Women's
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  Speaker 2: history month, shout outs to ladies. It's Arizona Wine Month. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we do have wine country in this state, believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not. And college ball is in full swing. So
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  Speaker 2: are you a college basketball fan, Jamison? Or you do do?
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  Speaker 2: Strictly do in the NBA?
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  Speaker 3: I am I'm more NBA fan than college, but I
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  Speaker 3: do enjoy watching college run this time of year. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's always good for this, you know, but every other
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  Speaker 3: tournament's going on. It's a lot of action, it's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of excitement, a lot of upsets, so it's good
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  Speaker 3: to watch. It's always good to watch TV that is
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  Speaker 3: live and unpredictable, so it's good to feel. But also
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned something, you're talking about wine and whatnot. I've
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  Speaker 3: we've had ten this eleven show. I never heard you
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  Speaker 3: bring up wine before. I've heard beer. Yeah, I've heard tequila.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard whiskey. I ain't heard about no damn wine.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I'm a wine guy too. First of all, I'll
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  Speaker 2: drink pretty much anything, but yeah, no, I my favorite
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  Speaker 2: things that drink are craft beer and tequila and whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: But no, no, I've spent a lot of time in
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  Speaker 2: Arizona wine country.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: They got three different sections of the state, two in
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  Speaker 2: the southeast, one up north, the nicer one is up north,
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  Speaker 2: the ones in the southeaster, and like one of them
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  Speaker 2: is in Wilcox, which is like a methy town.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has also like it has the perfect elevation.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't grow great so you can go to you know,
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  Speaker 2: wine tasting. It's like kind of upper middle class. You
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  Speaker 2: got people up there, you know, they spent they're spending
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  Speaker 2: some money. And then on the way out of town
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  Speaker 2: you stop the circle k and you see, you know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of folks who partake in the meth probably,
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  Speaker 2: so it's a wild town. It's a wild town.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. Well it is Mark
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  Speaker 3: And normally around this time we get rolled with some
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  Speaker 3: of the fights and whatnot. So I'm kind of curious
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  Speaker 3: that to hear your thoughts on what happened, you know, recently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let me see. This morning, I woke up,
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  Speaker 2: I woke up way earlier than usual, by which I
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  Speaker 2: mean eleven forty five am, grabbed a coffee, spiked it
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  Speaker 2: with Irish corps, then walked over to the new stand
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  Speaker 2: to get a copy of the Boxing Gazette. So let's
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  Speaker 2: stroll through the news here. I'm leaving through this, and
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm I cursed myself after last episode when
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  Speaker 2: I was what I said, I was sick of talking
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  Speaker 2: about Tank Davis versus Lamarck Coroach because then now there's
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  Speaker 2: been so much more shit that happened during the fight
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  Speaker 2: since the fight just a couple of days ago. It
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  Speaker 2: turns out that the New York State Athletic Commission will
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  Speaker 2: allow the results of the fight to stand so just
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  Speaker 2: really quickly for anybody to watch the fight with the
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  Speaker 2: distance Tank one with the majority draw, so two judges
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  Speaker 2: said it was a draw. One gave it to Tank.
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  Speaker 2: There was controversy about him choosing to take a knee
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of a round, supposedly to have his
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  Speaker 2: corner wipe off hair grease that was getting into his
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  Speaker 2: eye wasn't counted as a knockdown by the ref. Roach's
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  Speaker 2: team filed a complaint with the State Athletic Commission. The
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  Speaker 2: commission responded by saying, quote, damn, that's crazy. Good look
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  Speaker 2: with the next fight, though, but did you think there
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  Speaker 2: was any chance that the results would have gotten overturned?
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  Speaker 3: Don't get it. Don't work that way any due owners,
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  Speaker 3: It don't work that way. You know.
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  Speaker 2: This is how it goes.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's messed up for roa too far or a
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  Speaker 3: really good fight that night and shouldn't have could have won,
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  Speaker 3: but it don't worked that way. However, he's gonna rematch.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of time. Sooner the better. But
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna have a rematch, which is fine, and if
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  Speaker 3: Roach is really that good, he'll be able to show
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  Speaker 3: up and and fight too and see what we could do.
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  Speaker 3: But man, that sucks though, Like it really doesn't. I've
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  Speaker 3: never seen a knock out, not down, not get counted,
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  Speaker 3: and the reason for it was that I've never seen
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  Speaker 3: that before. So it to me. I feel for Oach.
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  Speaker 3: I feel for him as one of those nights where
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  Speaker 3: it could have been a career in the finding night,
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  Speaker 3: it could have been life changing night. However, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: have more opportunity. So here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, going to distance against Tank Davis is
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  Speaker 2: in and of itself, it's a huge deal. So you
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  Speaker 2: gotta you know, we can't say that the guy didn't
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  Speaker 2: put it first, put in a lot of great work
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  Speaker 2: in the fight, and also the outcome was wildly unexpected.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't bet on this one in particular,
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  Speaker 2: but if I had, I would have bet on a knockout.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it four around six seven eight,
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  Speaker 2: Tank knocking him out, So props to him. But yeah, definitely,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like again I'm cursing myself because we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be we're talking about this again when the rematch happens.
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  Speaker 2: But how do you think the rematch would go?
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  Speaker 3: I think Tank wins in a rematch. I think you'll
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  Speaker 3: have a better plan. I think he'll understand what it
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  Speaker 3: takes to be more decisive. But man, the going for
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  Speaker 3: Ko's only method is not it. Even though he's a
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  Speaker 3: very skilled fighter, Tank is a little bit overrated because
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  Speaker 3: when a boxer twot makes him think and adjust and adapt,
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  Speaker 3: he's not as quickly to attack. He's very hesitant to
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  Speaker 3: attack when he has to adjust and adapt in the
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  Speaker 3: ring and change game plans and think when he fights
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  Speaker 3: talented guys. But that don't make you think or adjust
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  Speaker 3: on the fly. He's pretty easy going and while he
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  Speaker 3: attacks the opposition, but when a fighter throws a wrenching
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  Speaker 3: at things when it's a tough fight. I've seen some
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  Speaker 3: things in the last fight that give me some hesitancy
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  Speaker 3: going forward about Tank again, knock out power in each hand.
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  Speaker 3: We know what he's he's made his name off of.
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  Speaker 3: But if he's fighting elite, skilled, talented eyes that can
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  Speaker 3: take his punch, or if they away from his KO
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  Speaker 3: punch and make him box, I have some doubts.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, I think that you're right going for
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  Speaker 2: the KO every time. It's not the best strategy, but
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  Speaker 2: when I looked it up, he's got like a ninety
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  Speaker 2: three percent ko average at that point you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this could work. I mean, you know, if it ain't broke.
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  Speaker 2: So I understand. I mean a lot has been said
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  Speaker 2: by other boxing media, by you know, the commentators that
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  Speaker 2: think they're there as great as us, but you know
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  Speaker 2: they're good, they're good, but you know, we're the top
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  Speaker 2: of cream of the crop. So but it has been said.
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  Speaker 2: I think that I don't think there's anybody that can
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  Speaker 2: really say that tank taking a knee or anybody taking
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  Speaker 2: a knee in the middle of a round shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: a knockdown for whatever reason. Let's give him let's say
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  Speaker 2: that he was absolutely telling the truth about the grease
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  Speaker 2: and his hair. So sorry, yeah, the grease in his
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  Speaker 2: hair getting in his eye, it doesn't matter. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's no timeouts in boxing. You can't just do that shit.
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  Speaker 2: You wait till till the bell rings, or you take
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  Speaker 2: the knockdown. Yep. And let's not forget taking a knee
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  Speaker 2: when you getting pummeled. It can be a good, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a good strategy to kind of take that eight second
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  Speaker 2: breather because it's better to take a knee when you're
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting overwhelmed then getting knocked the hell out
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  Speaker 2: and getting put to sleep right, So it can be
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  Speaker 2: used strategically, but it's still knocked out always.
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  Speaker 3: You got to use the vet move if you need
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  Speaker 3: get stoppage. Your mouthpiece has to come out of your
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  Speaker 3: mouth if you're trying, if you need a timeout, not
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  Speaker 3: saying it's the right thing to do with the most
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  Speaker 3: ethical The mouthpiece has to come out to where the
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  Speaker 3: corner got to put it in, and while that they're
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  Speaker 3: doing that, they can give a quick wipe of the
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  Speaker 3: eyes and that could have been what it was going
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  Speaker 3: to be. However, with that all being said, our refereeing
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  Speaker 3: has to get better because that's all we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: from the fight. We can't keep having these things happen.
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  Speaker 3: And for the casual person that's turned a Tank and
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  Speaker 3: that checked in, that is not a good look for them.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a good look at all. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Tank is a very hype fighter for a
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  Speaker 2: good reason. But yeah, if the first fight you ten
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  Speaker 2: into you see him taking a knee and not getting
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  Speaker 2: any consequence from it, you know that's that. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: makes the refluc shitty, That makes the sport look shitty.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say that's finish off by this story by saying
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  Speaker 2: this Tank is a professional fighter, He's very skilled. You know,
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  Speaker 2: all I've ever done is sparring. I will say though,
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  Speaker 2: there are times when my contact lens fell out many
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  Speaker 2: times during sparring, fell into the onto my glove or
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  Speaker 2: on the ground on the mat, and I just flicked
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  Speaker 2: it away and I just kept going because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: hear that fucking bell. So not saying that I'm better
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  Speaker 2: than Tank, all I'm saying is that that's what you
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  Speaker 2: got to do, fight or die.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct, yea, that's what you signed up for it.
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  Speaker 3: When you sign up for that, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: But also, if the fight wasn't going, if the fight
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  Speaker 3: was going a different way, we're not talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: But the fight was too close to where that rounds
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  Speaker 3: ten to eight the other way changed everything. And that's
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  Speaker 3: the reason why we're talking about it. If Tank won
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  Speaker 3: one O eight, we're not even it's not even a thing,
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  Speaker 3: it's not even. The fact is to fight deciding thing
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  Speaker 3: and a career, potential, career defining moment for both guys,
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  Speaker 3: and it went away. Now, who's to say if that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't count it? If Tank is more aggressive going forward,
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  Speaker 3: who knows. I don't know, but I'm interested to see
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  Speaker 3: what happens going forward, right because both guys what they won.
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  Speaker 3: Roach and his camp thinks they won Tank this camp
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  Speaker 3: think they want. I'm curiously what happens going forward. I'm
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  Speaker 3: very curious to that, you know, and they won't. We
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  Speaker 3: don't draw next time. I'll put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a really good point. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's two things that should be made very clear. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the conversation go here and there. Everybody has their own opinions,
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  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, Number one is yes,
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  Speaker 2: that should have been a knockdown. Number two, you're right,
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  Speaker 2: we're only talking about it because Tank was not dominating.
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  Speaker 2: Roach was holding his own, which is a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: So if it still would have been controversial. But if yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if Tank had a unanimous decision or a knockout for
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  Speaker 2: that matter, at the end of the on the tenth round,
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  Speaker 2: we will not be here. So yeah, I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: it's three minute rounds for a reason. You got your
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  Speaker 2: one minute break, and that's when you figure out what
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  Speaker 2: if something's bothering you, if there's an issue. I remember
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  Speaker 2: one time during sparring you know, I did the thing
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  Speaker 2: when my contact fell out, I just flipped it away,
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  Speaker 2: kept going. I actually tried to put it in between rounds,
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  Speaker 2: and it just wasn't good getting it. It wasn't staying,
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  Speaker 2: kept falling out, the bell was about to ring again,
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  Speaker 2: the trainer goes, leave it. You can't put it back
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  Speaker 2: onto the streets. I was like, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So all right.
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  Speaker 3: The streets is a whole different situation, right, because then
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  Speaker 3: the streets just don't rule. Sure you boxing, there's rules
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, So I disagree with that. However, with that
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  Speaker 3: being said, when it comes to boxing, it's one of
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  Speaker 3: those things to where it feels like the rules are
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  Speaker 3: only when they benefit certain people, they only apply to
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  Speaker 3: certain people. And that ain't it. That's not that's not it,
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  Speaker 3: that's not how it's supposed to work. And that was
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  Speaker 3: not a good look the other day. Hopefully going forward
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  Speaker 3: that is not the case. But man, it's a bad look.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this, if I'm Shaker Stevenson, if
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  Speaker 3: I'm Boots, if I'm Devin Haney, if I'm a little
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  Speaker 3: a chinker, I'm looking at that fight like oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking like hey, like okay, there's a chicken and
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  Speaker 3: armor here. That's not what it looks like. It's not
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  Speaker 3: this devastating KO guy. If I can stay away from
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  Speaker 3: his power, I can win the fight on being more
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  Speaker 3: active and getting landing more punches and making him think
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  Speaker 3: constantly instead of sit on a sit on a koh.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what's more fascinating to me is that I
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  Speaker 3: think it'll open the potential for the other suitors in
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  Speaker 3: the in that weight class or that in that range
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  Speaker 3: to like, you know what, I don't mind. I'm want
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  Speaker 3: a problem fighting Tank. Let's get it up so well.
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  Speaker 3: See what Also, if you notice I ain't hear no
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  Speaker 3: retirement talk from Tank either that fight happened. I ain't
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  Speaker 3: hear no retirement. I heard us pretty much as as possible.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how that works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, He's we said last episode. He was the
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  Speaker 2: one that's like talking about it constantly. He's the one
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  Speaker 2: that see most bent are stuck on retiring very soon
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  Speaker 2: at the end of this year. So yeah, we'll see
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  Speaker 2: maybe uh who knows, maybe he will retire if he'd
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  Speaker 2: loses the next one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I doubt it because the money is
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  Speaker 3: too good. The thing that people don't realize is the
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  Speaker 3: you only have a certain amount of window to cash
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  Speaker 3: in on your monetary value. And when it comes to that,
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  Speaker 3: even if he loses, he's still a name that people
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  Speaker 3: recognize and people will go see. I don't see him
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  Speaker 3: retires sing anything out of the time. I see these
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  Speaker 3: guys fighting until they can't because one is only so
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  Speaker 3: many big fights that can be made period, right, There's
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  Speaker 3: only so many fights that the general public want to see.
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  Speaker 3: So when you can put those together, you do it.
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  Speaker 3: That's why we're getting Canello Crawford in six months. That's
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  Speaker 3: the reason why you only get some of those opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think anyone's retiring while they have more
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  Speaker 3: fights to make. I'd be very surprised if he retires.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone else retires, and they're probably just be shocked. It
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't work out.
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  Speaker 2: We gotcha? Well, I hope I don't end up like
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  Speaker 2: a doctor Manhattan. It's December twenty twenty four, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna podcast talking Tank versus Roach. It's March twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a podcast that's causing Tank Forris wrote, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: It's May five and I'm gonna be condomed to it.
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  Speaker 2: But all right, flip into the next story. Uh, this news.
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  Speaker 2: This next story is about another guy we've been talking
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  Speaker 2: a lot about lately, Dimitri beval So the WBC World
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  Speaker 2: Boxing Commission has made or bloxing Council, sorry, has made
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  Speaker 2: David Benavitez from Phoenix the mandatory challenger for Bevall next
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  Speaker 2: and it's actually given a deadline of April eighth for
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  Speaker 2: a fight to be negotiated. Uh. Even though Bevall was
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  Speaker 2: talking like he was the ship he'd take on anybody,
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  Speaker 2: you want to talk about tunes changing after the last one,
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  Speaker 2: he was like, I fight that new one. I fight Avidez,
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  Speaker 2: I fight Canelo, I fight Ben and Woods give sheet.
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  Speaker 2: But his tune has changed a bit. After the WBC
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  Speaker 2: ordered the fight, Bevo was on Twitter saying, well, he's
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  Speaker 2: waiting for his next move from his from his team
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  Speaker 2: as promoters Takiela Shak already and Turkey La Shak was
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  Speaker 2: already saying he's not interested in the Benavitaz fight. So Jamison,
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  Speaker 2: is Dimitri Vival gonna duck Benevidez as well.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's done though, I think it's done. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's more about whenever you hear about whenever a
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  Speaker 3: boxer starts tweeting and talking, it's more about the money
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  Speaker 3: splits than anything else. That's what's getting impacted, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what it's mostly about, not necessarily ducking. It's about getting
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  Speaker 3: more of the split or whatever pie there is. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: But if if the money is the issue, which understood
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  Speaker 2: money money is a major issue, is our favorite philosopher
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  Speaker 2: Pitbull put it, then that means that the money may
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  Speaker 2: be better for a better be of Bevil trilogy and
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  Speaker 2: not a Benevidez bev All fight.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what Canelo said about the Benavidas fight.
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  Speaker 2: It might be trued out, but he said, hey, the
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  Speaker 2: money's not right, so you know, and they called, they
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  Speaker 2: called my boy, they're a duck. So what are we
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  Speaker 2: gonna say? All I want to say I want people
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  Speaker 2: to keep that same energy for Demetri Bival.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, No, I hear you, I hear you, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: with you. I am not personally a fan of. If
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  Speaker 3: you want to fight somebody, just fight him, right, don't
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  Speaker 3: play the game. I'm not with the Oh I don't
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  Speaker 3: know or oh A need more money or oh well,
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  Speaker 3: now if you want to if you want to fight somebody,
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  Speaker 3: you go ahead and fight them. That's how it should be.
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  Speaker 3: But again, this is boxing in twenty twenty five. It's
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  Speaker 3: never as easy as it sounds. It's never as easy
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: as hey, you want to fight him, it's not a contract,
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: let's go. It's never that easy.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: It never is right and understood. That's fair all you know.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Like I said, all I say is the talk went
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: one way during the last people better be a fight
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: about you know, even Turkila. She goes like, yeah, let's
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: do it. You know, let's let's do Benavidez with the
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: winner of this man, I'm down, call out Hayman from PBC,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I like, everybody's talking big and then
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: you know, give it a couple of weeks and everyone's
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: more like lukewarm on the issue. And like I said,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I just want I want the fans, you know, I
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: want to see y'all commenting Bena Vitez's name on every
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: fucking beval social media post for years. I want you
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to come up with stupid nicknames that you you should
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: be embarrassed to comment, like Dunky Tree, Vivoll or QUACKI
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Tree or whatever the hell you guys come up with
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: out there. I want to see that ship for Boble
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: as well if he does end up fighting Benevita. So
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: but with that said, what is it looking like? Is
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: this tough? Because maybe like a better be of trilogy
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: is kind of losing its luster. Do people want to
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: see something different? I mean, big Bo's the big guy
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to get He's a star now you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Know yep, now, I hear you. I think part of
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: it is it has loss this lester. I don't know
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: there's a huge demand for that fight. That's the thing.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Outside of pure boxing fans, it's not a huge demand
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: for that, right, Like, that's not only the ones where
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna pay forty five dollars for a pay per view.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Don't see it like it's one Now you're telling me
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: it's on Netflix, Okay. Cool, you're telling me it's on
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: like an ESPN or an Amazon Prime for the low okay.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: But if you're trying to dodge fifty bucks for it,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have a hell of a card. And that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: what I don't see, Like, I don't see the huge,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: crazy demand for it. But if it's on. If it's on,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: we would definitely watch. And if it's a Saturday night
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: when El's going on at that time, it's going to
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: gain a lot of different a lot different watchers from
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: different things, because you know that's how it goes. But
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I do think it is listeners lesson because we're talking
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: about other fights and now that we have a lot
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: more guys in the one forty one forty seven range
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: fighting more actively, now everything else kind of just gets
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: washed away because as of right now, fast the most
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: popular division, not necessarily the best division, but the most
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: names are in that one for you to one forty
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: seven range at this moment, and you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Know I'm on record, you can go back to previous episodes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I won't change my tune. I said I would rather
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: see a better be Of trilogy before of being a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Benevitas fight, and I stand by that. All I'm saying
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: again is if people doesn't end up fighting Benavidez, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: want the fans to, uh you know who called out
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Canelo for years, to keep up that same energy. And
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely, but there's rules that are It's different rules
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: for people, right So Canal is one of the faces
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: of the sport. Hell, he's probably the face of the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: sports still, and he's a first BALLO Hall of Famer.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: He's probably the face of the boxing generation since Floyda
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: has left. So his standards are different than anyone else. Now,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you are correct, the energy should be kept the same,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: but as levels of this, Canelo's hell's whatever his standard
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and pretty much anyone else that's been in boxing over
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: the last ten years.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Sure, and I agree with that. And again, all I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: saying is that Bevil is he's the new big star.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: He's the next big thing, and you know with for
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a good reason. He's an excellent fighter, He's proven his metal.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: He he beat Canilo and better b of So that's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that's not an easy test, so you know, and people
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: were giddy as fuck. The Canelo haters were giddy as fuck.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Would b Boll beat him? Let's not forget that, true, true, true.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know, I I would love
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: to see I'd love to see the trilogy because those
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: last two fights are great. I would also love to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: see Benavitez and Beevil a scrap after that. So all
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I'll say, if we do get the trilogy, don't forget
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: about my man. Don't forget about David Benavidez. I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: he's earned a shot. And yeah, and you know we
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: talked about before about him waiting for Canelo because of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the bag, but him fighting people all again is not
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: going to be a light bag. So Benevidez is gonna
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He's going to be just five the guys in this fight.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I think. So cool. Well, let's see flipping through the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: news here all right, on the subject of Turkey Ella Shaikh,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: who is a Saudi Arabian boxing promoter and current owner
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of the Ring magazine. The next event he's hosting is
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a massive one. It's actually three separate events across the world.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah. The first one is on April twenty six,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Chris Ubek Junior fighting Connor Ben in London Brough. May second,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: we'll see three fights taking place in Times Square like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: out on the actual street. May third will be Canelo
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: versus Williams Skull in Saudi Arabia. This event is called
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Fatal Fury because it's a collaboration with s NK, a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Japanese video game company, to promote a new fighting game.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Did you know about the Davidson or have you heard
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of this game a little about it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I don't all the details about to hear a little
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: bit about it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: This is wild to me. I mean it is. Yeah,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it's straight up like three boxing events, a boxing showcase,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, in collaboration with a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: company promoting this game called Fatal Fury City of the Wolf. So,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know where to start because
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: there's so there's a lot of interesting things to talk
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: about here, because I was surprised that Fatal Fury referred
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to a game. But we have spoken about how boxing
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: needs to be creative with this promotions, especially if Top
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Rank leaves ESPN and boxing becomes a streaming only sport.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So is this something that could get help get boxing
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: more in the news, get more fans in What do
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: So the boxing issue is more for the States. International
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: boxing is fine in the States is where we're boxing
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: these issues now. The more money you can get to
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: the sport, the better because domestically, we've had a lot
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of people pull out of the money, so that's been
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: issued domestically. So that's why we keep hearing these different partnerships.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: That's why we got the Saudi money coming in you
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: mentioned the Japanese come that's why we keep having those
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: things keep coming in is because of the lack of
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: funds from the traditional outlets here. I don't have a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: problem with I think it's a good thing. Even the
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: partnership with Dana White and the Saudi's are it is interesting.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I think more more money, more marketing, it all helps
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the sport as long as the correct fights are being made,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: as long as that's take a buzz. I think we
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: have a good situation going on. And to be honest
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: with you, I like that we're putting on more events,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: more active, active guys, more names are fighting constantly. It's
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: good for the sport overall. So no complaints here, okay.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And what about specifically use of like a video game
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: company of all things, you know, because we've had sponsored
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: by like energy drinks and like movies, all of that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You know, the video game. We've had a sponsorship from
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: video games and fights, but specifically a team up. I mean,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's cool that it might appeal to the nerds. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Fatal Fury is a fighting game after all. So yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I know, what are your thoughts of that? Is that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: is that gonna help? Is that gonna help bring in
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: new vises, new viewers.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's unique because here's the thing, there's no
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: traditional way, there's no one set way of doing anything.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: So if you can market things uniquely, if you can
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: have a different set of people that normally wouldn't watch
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: your stuff now pay attention because a new company's marketing it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Think that's a good thing for every all parties involved.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: So I think we need more of that. And to
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: be honest with you, you have to be very creative. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: don't like there's a guy on Twitter he used to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: either cover boxing or covers it whatever. He's a hater.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's Rick Slicer or something like that. He's
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a hater and whever somebody, whenever the numbers come in,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: he's quicked to blame out Hayman and quick the blame
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: other people. And you know what, you know you can
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: that's all right, you can do that. But to be
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: honest with you, that doesn't accomplish anything. Let's talk about solutions.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Let's think outside of the box to get the sport
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: we all love deep downside into more homes on more platforms,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: market it better so that the casual people can enjoy it,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: like we do instead of always hating the problem we
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: have with a merit with domestically with boxing. Everybody's hayden,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: everyone's hat Oh that fighter ain't that good? Oh pay
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: per view, I'm not I'm not paying for that. Where's link?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Or oh I don't do I don't do PBC because
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: all haim exists, or I don't do this because uh
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: top ranks that. It's like nah, Like, let's let's figure
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: let's figure out how to bring more fights to and
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: make it more accessible. We should be having the old
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: nineteen ages nineteen nineties model of pay per view still
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: being prevalent today. We should be more advanced because every
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: other sport has been more advanced on how they showcase
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: their product except for boxing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: That's fair and I am one anybody's listening to this
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: any other episode of this show will know that I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: with you on how I hate the haters. How it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: always this no fighter is good enough, you know, everybody's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: stucking everybody, nobody has a good enough resume, and it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just it gets old. Man, It's just like the same
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: shit over and over, Like do you even like the.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Sport'st the last thing we're not doing things for the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: betterment of the sport anymore. It's all about personal agendas.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: It's not about, oh, you know what, I have my opinion,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: but I got to get this agenda off r nah, Like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: let's focus on getting more fights and getting into where
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: people can watch them, whether for free or for a
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: very inexpensive way. It's that every must have to pay
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: per view is an old thing, and you're wrong. Every
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: gotta make the money. I get it, but we should
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: be advanced that point to where you got I remember
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: a lot most people watch on their phone, their tablet, computer,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: et cetera. There should be something that incorporates that as well.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I just think that right now we're kind of in
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a situation where we're stuck on the old model, old
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: pay view numbers. All right, Well, you can't add and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: tell the full story because we watch the fight in
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: so many different ways. Now, I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: There's people who are on TikTok that were screaming the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: fight and went on TikTok why for forty minutes and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: showed the whole damn fight. Really a sorry ass, wi Fi.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying people are doing that. So you
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: can't use all of this big PPV only did forty
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: thousand byes blah blah blah thoughts on the full story.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I could any one of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: us could go on Instagram live and just put up
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: our phones to our TV or you know in the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: movie theater when they play the fights in the movie theaters,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I could just kind of have that bluet leg up
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: on there.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So all every fight, every fight they do at UFC boxing,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: mostly boxing, for sure, somebody's on TikTok going live with
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: a gang people tuned in because a lot of people
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: aren't buying, they're not watching the traditional way, but we're
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: still judging fight success off of the traditional way of
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: raiding a fight, and that ain't it right?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know the thing about the Times Square
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: fight and the Canelo fight. I'm not sure about the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: one in London. But those those who are still going
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to be pay per view but they're still again partnering
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: up with it must be again a huge company, Japanese company.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: There's got a lot of money behind it, So I mean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: do you really also still need the pay per view numbers?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But but then again, if it's on regular TV, we'll
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: have a lot of commercials, but I don't know. It's
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a give and take.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Remember the Saudis when they had the fight, when Crawford
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: fought in La last year, they had the eminem concert
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the middle of the fight and all that, you know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna see more of that stuff because again,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: they got to make their money. I get it. They're
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: going to take a loss on the fight, right, They're
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: gonna pay Can a bunch of money. You got a
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: fly everybody out there, so you're gonna take some sort
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of loss on the fight. But it's for the greater
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: good because it's setting up things greater good. So that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: how it is.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I, like I said, at the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: very least, this is an interesting partnership and just to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: get into the Times Square fight specifically because that's the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: one that's like different from what we're used to because
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be out in Times Square. Turkey Ella Shick
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: said it will be only one hundred to three hundred
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: people attending, which will be a spec limitation from him.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So it's not it's not open to people just the
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: general publics buy tickets, but it seems like the public
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: can come and watch it in Times Square. I've never
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: been in Times Square. I think I'd rather die than
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: go in Times Square, honestly, not in New York City.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Times Square specifically, it seems terrible. But have you ever
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: been out there in Times Square.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I've been one. I've been in New York three times.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I've been to Town Square once. It's the most traffic I've
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. Sure it's busy, that it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: hotter because all the lights on, all the lights, all
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the energy electricity that's there. New York is a very
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: interesting place. Some people have their feelings about New York. Ironically,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I like New York people. Ironically, I think they're kind
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: of misunderstood. I think they are. I think they're cruel
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and funny in their own way. But I don't think
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: they hate. I don't think they mean bad though. It's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: not Boston where people are like meaning racist and just
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: mean that waking up in the morning. I think New
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yorker is actually cool. They just gonna mess with you.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: They're gonna mess with your signa joke with you. They're
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: gonna give you a hard time at first, just to
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: test you. But deep downside, I think they're decent, genuine people.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So it's it's cool with the fascinating place to go,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: massive square, gardens old, but I think it's a classic place.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: It's you know, it is the mecca of a lot
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of things. But with that being said, I prefer fights
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: in Vegas. If you got to fight in Vegas or
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: on the West Coast in a more modern arena and
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: more control environment, I'd prefer that, sure.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: And they no hate to New York. I've never been
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to New York City myself been up state New York.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: But I just hate the idea of Times Square because
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it's all those bullshit adds in like Giant Chili's and
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like TJ Fridays, Like why would you go to a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: place like New York City then go to Timeskirt to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: eat at a fucking TGI Fridays.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You can find that people don't have no sense. People
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: come to Vegas and go in and out, and they
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: live in California or Arizona. So it's one of those
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: things where people ain't got no sense, man.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Sure, and that's why you know what, And I could
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: say those people are living their lives wrong if they're
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: gonna go to New York City and if fucking yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I eat it. Like I said, the Chilies and in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Times Square the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: New York bro, like what are we doing? Like?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I like traveling, so I always like to find, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: local spots, what's cool. Talk to the bartendercy where they
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: like to go drink. You know, if I go into
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: if I'm traveling and I go into, like I don't know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a Buffalo Wild Wings, it's to ask the bartender where
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: they go to drink when they get off shifts.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: So in Yoga City, I can eat here. I might
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: wear an old restaurant that they got in Vegas not
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I know, if if FeAs the purpose, yeah, absolutely, I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: will say I did.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I did go to a McDonald's in Tokyo, but to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: be fair to me, it was inside a grocery store
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I was already going into and I got a kariokey burger,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: which is not they don't have the menu here.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah I'm already here.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but no, I with you. You know, I'm
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: always going to try to The times that I'll eat
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: at any like chain restaurants or stuff for fast food
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is when I'm so miserably hung over and it's like
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I can't. I'm traveling and I'm like, this is close,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: this is gonna have to do. I don't give a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: ship like I'm gonna I'm about to die. But yeah,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: so that's that's the reason I hate on times square
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: haven't been but just the concept of it, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: likey but uh yeah, but you know, the I don't
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: know is there? Do you think that they'll be set
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: up in a way that like a lot of people
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: can come and a lot of people can see this fight.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It's it's curiosity work.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just it feels weird, like it feels it sounds weird. However,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I'm always open to new ideas, like I'm always open
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and curious on new things, new concepts because if it
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: works and we can do it in the future, so
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I'm always opening it. However, as we know, boxing makes
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: money off butts in the seats, So angry a lot
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: more of these going forward. You ain't a mega fights
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: happening there because you got to be able to watch
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the fight and you gotta be able to put people
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: get that gate. That gate is huge in a lot
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: of cases. So that's where guys make the money at
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So not see a whole lot of bimentioned about the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: concept though.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. The thing that really stuck with
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: me is that, yeah, there's no tickets, like I said, like,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: whoever those hundred and three hundred people, if they sell tickets,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they're you know, celebrities, friends of the Saudi's. They can
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: pay it, you know, five grand just like that anyway,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't really matter. But yeah, with an arena, shit,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're sitting pretty and then all those
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: damn all all the food and boot sales, you know, seventeen.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: They make a lot of money off March. A lot
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: of mother all the accessoriess don't make a lot of
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: money off March.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I guess we can call this this particular event like
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's a stunt for sure. That doesn't mean it's a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: bad thing. Yeah, it doesn't mean it. You know, if
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: it's a stunt that brings in more fans in the sport,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: maybe the people who show up say, well, boxing is
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: cool as shit. I'm gonna pay attention to either the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: next fighter, this particular fighter, et cetera, and they might
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: make a new fan.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I hope so.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's this is not a model for
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: it because the money's not going to be coming in.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's but you know, again, the partnering up with the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: video and company, maybe they broke even I don't know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that's beyond my area of expertise. At the very least,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be some good fights. So in the time
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: score event, we're gonna see Ryan Garcia fighting Will Romero,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Devin Hantey fighting Jose Rimirez and to tell Fia Ma Lopez,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Tomass fighting Arnold Barbosa. So good fighters, you know, good names,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: good names names absolutely and then you know, like I said,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that's the second and then right the next day in
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Canelo, big name. So this whole event, at
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: least at you know what, that Mike Tyson's travesty was
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a stunt as well, and that was garbage. So at
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: least this this stunt, this stunt has good fights and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a potential to bring some some faces in, some new
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: fans in I don't know.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And also you you set up the next fights, right,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: so if the favorites win, you fight up the next
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: stage of a Who's Next. I think that's key, Like
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: we got to get to the point where guys are
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: fighting at least twice a year, and there's big fights
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: people want to see. That's always the key, Like, we
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: don't care about the tune up fights. We want guys
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: fighting that are gonna make it different. So I'm all
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I don't. I never watched the any
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: of the press conferences before for any matches. I just
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: don't really never can be cared about what happens outside
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of the ring. But I did, you know, I was
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: doom scrolling through social media, and I did see that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: there were highlights where Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney were
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: already going at each other in the press conference. They're
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not even fighting each other, they're already setting that up.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: So somebody who shows up go, wow, this Ryan Garcia guy,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: he's good. Haini's good. They're gonna fight each other. Fuck yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm tuning in, you know what I mean that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And also, whenever there's a lawsuit involved, it's always going
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to be interesting, always going to be interesting. So that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: how it goes.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't planning on bringing that up, but since
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: you mentioned it, you know the lawsuit. So the last
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight was in April twenty twenty four.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Actually turns out Ryan popped positive for some kind of
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: fromance enhancing something or other I don't remember. Ryan won
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the fight pretty decisively as a blood against Haney. Then
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Hainey's team actually sued Garcia for like battery because I
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: attacked him. I think, what are your thoughts on that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are just clowning Haney.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not cool with lawsuit.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: At the same time, not callt Ryan testing dirty. I mean,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: two negatives don't make a positive here. So that being said,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I think both parties need to get their shit straight
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: because this ain't it a lawsuit, and then the lawsuit
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: got thrown out, so we don't worry about that. Ryan
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: has too much talent and too much too much market
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: market ability to be putting himself in ways that he
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: can't fight. He needs to stay active because he actually
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: has something that he could take advantage of. Devin Hana
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: needs to put together pretty a couple of pretty good
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: fights going forward so we can see who he actually is.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: So I think we got to get past that stuff
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and get to what really counts, because there's fights that
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: both could have been made for both those guys that
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: could have been better for the fans. But we keep
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: dodging others stuff because stuff has happened. Devin Handy being
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: in active for this law doesn't make sense. He wasn't hurt. No,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: you know, he's just been inactive. Ryan, I spent it
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: for a year. That's not good for boxing. Well, I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: not saying he's the best boxing roll or not like that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: He's a famous name. He has a lot of skill.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: The mental is all gone, but that's a whole different conversation.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: But there's actually skill there. But being all for a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: year doesn't help anyone.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I mean I don't have any real opinion
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: on the lawsuit use of itself. I just think like
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: there is also this idea of not a lot of
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: consequences for shitty behavior in boxing. You know, I said
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he got spent it for a year, but he's right
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: back we talked about you know, Canelo was told by
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: WBC that Dave been Avidez was his mandatory and if
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: he didn't fight, he takes get his belt taken away.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Didn't fight him, didn't get the belt taken away. So
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? Like why are there
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: rules if nobody's gonna give a shit. You know, why
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: not making a god damn free for all, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: four guys fighting each other in the ring, and just
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: whoever lives lives? I mean, come on, you know you
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: got you gotta stick to something here, So say they
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: would take you know, if you're not gonna get some
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: kind of but fit for taking a knee, then why
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: not the hell?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Why should anody making way all this stuff? You know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: we're boxers and the fans suffers.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, So that's my take on it. But cool, Yeah, no,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a very least. I'm excited to see this, uh, this
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Times Square event and definitely be at the Canelo fight
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the next day, probably be at the neighborhood, my favorite
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Mexican sports bart here in town. This will be a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: weird one because it's gonna be early. It's gonna be
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: like a three pm because.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: That is May third, technically.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, so yeah, so excited to see it. Let's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: see what happened? So great man, that's uh, that's all
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the news that's fit to print. Let's move on to it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: They took they took that event away from Vegas, that
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: US Vegas.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, because Canelos signed the fight deal with season.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: This is the first fight in Saudi Arabia.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I remember, we just it just came to me that
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that that that's usually a big Vegas weekend and that's interesting.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's so. Yes, Canelo's first fight
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: with three hot season is in Saudi Arabia with Crawford.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be in Vegas, but he's got two
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: more fights. Are they also gonna be in Saudi Arabia?
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: It depends, right, So let's just say hypothetically Canello Crawford
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: is either very close or a draw, there's gonna be
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a rematch. Now that's good. Everyone want to see. If
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: it's somewhat close, they'll run it back. If it's not,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: then we'll see. But if it's any kind of close,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: we're getting a second fight, probably in the same venue.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Because Allegiant holds sixty five thousand just seats when you
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: do the boxing, probably close to another five or ten.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Well and that that brings us a thing in my mind.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: So what do you think Vegas is gonna be like
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: on second in my weekend? Ma, I'm assuming people are
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: still gonna be watching the fight, But what do you think.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: That saying, man like, honestly, Vegas depends. That's a big dog.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Since I've been here, and I've been in Vegas twenty
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I've been in Vegas for twenty single Demayo's okay. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: every time there's been at least one big fight here
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: on that day, whether it's Floyd fighting, whether it's Canelo fighting. Hell,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: sometimes it's been both. You know, they're on I'm saying
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: card at times. For neither of them to fight here
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: on that day is weird. They might be f C
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: day out here now because of it. Not happy about that,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: but neither hear it. I'm there. But man, that's something
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: because Floyd started fighting on sicking to Mayo here, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: want to say as early as the mid two thousands.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's something like, that's truly truly something.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: But again, I understand the play, you know, I get
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: what's going on, and whoever puts up the money as
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the person that makes the decision. So that's just how
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it goes.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Sure, and we've talked about this in previous episodes, so
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: go back and listen to those conversations. But you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not I'm not specifically a hater
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: about you know, Turkey Yelashik and Saudi Arabian money coming
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: into boxing. It's more I don't have a problem with
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: matches in Saudi Arabia, just like I don't doesn't bother
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: me if they're in London. You know, they're New York,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: like very far away from me. Anyway.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I just want to see the fights.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it does make a difference. It does
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: affect our you know, the the Vegas economy, the you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden in Vegas. They're fight capitals of the world.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And if boxing goes more and more towards streaming toward
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Saudi money, you know we're gonna be We're gonna be
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: left in the cold a little bit, I think.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The only thing I don't like about the fights
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and other places is the time difference. I'm used to
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: watching fights at night, so watching a fight in the
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: afternoon or watching the fight in the morning, they don't
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: hit the same. But whatever, we'll we'll make it work.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I just want to see guys fight and fight often.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I don't care about the extras or the raw route.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: The money's right, fight and let's keep fighting twice a year. Minimum,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: hopefully preferably three times when no one's hurt, but two
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: times minimum a year. Let's roll.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Those Saudi Cards they started like ten
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: or eleven am the Undercards show. Yeah, but specifically you
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: know for the canell of fight. Hey, that just means
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I get to day drink while I watch that fight.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So not a problem here. I'll be hung over by
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: like eight pm. I'll be sending you up text at
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: like four pm. Ticks are like, yeah, of course, yeah, Goup,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: you get in my car? Watch what do you what? Yes?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Of course of up? All right, Moving on to our
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: pop pugilism segment. This is the segment where we discussed
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a movie, TV show or documentary about boxing. Today we're
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: talking about a British TV show called One Thousand Blows
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that premiered on Hulu in late February. Because this is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a new show that has some twists and turns, well,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: we'll avoid spoilers you know here. The show was created
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: by Stephen Knight, who also created Peaky Blinders. That's the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: show I know pretty much nothing about other than Killian
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Murphy is in a shout out to him. Oppenheimro is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: my favorite movie of twenty twenty three. But this show
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: stars Malachai Kirby, Aaron Doherty, and most notably two American audiences,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Stephen Graham. He was in Snatch the Irishman and he
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: played al Capone and Bordwrock Empire great actor. The story
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: takes place in the eighties in the East End of London.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Two Jamaican men best friends named Hezekiah Moscow and Alec
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: when Roe moved to London and get involved in the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: underground bare knuckle boxing scene. And Stephen Graham plays Sugar
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Goods in the crime bross who sets up all these fights.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Before we get into more details of the of the show, Jamison,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: what did you think?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: It wasn't bad? Problem? Like, it wasn't bad, And I
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: guess it's the first season of the show, so it
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't you know it's gonna continue right that it's gonna
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: have a season two.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Technically, so yes, it's the first season, but it was
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: actually sold as a twelve episode show. So the first
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: season is six episodes. Yeah, yeah, but then that they
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: split up in two but I'm saying it's not ongoing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: They basically sold it and filmed it as twelve They
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: just split it up.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So yeah, ah, okay, so we got six more that
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: makes sense, six more okay.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah that'll be a complete story. So it was
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: set up to be a complete story when they sold.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: It, and they left wiggle room to add more they
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: want to make. Okay. It was cool like art so
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: considering the time it was, it wasn't bad at all.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: When it comes to the boxing stuff, the actual production
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: was really cool, like it was done very well. Storylines,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: character development, all that was really cool. Crazy grimmy story though,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Like it was wild. I mean the boxing was hella
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: hell illegal, Like we had low blows, we had rib shots,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: we had uh behind the ear hit. Oh yeah, people's
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: legs get taken up under them.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And like each other.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it was crazy. I ain't I've seen a
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff in my day. I've seen a lot
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: of fights in my day. I've gotten I've gotten my
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: fair share of my fair share of fights in my day.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: So that's the last saw on that and that show
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I ain't never seen before. Bro, that's crazy. It was crazy,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: but it sucks because during that era, like black folks
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: and cano fair fight wasn't real fair one. It didn't
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: work that way. And if you did, You're gonna die.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I appreciate the pression value was wild. I mean,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I'm assume Peaky blinder Peaky Blinders is a really popular
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: show because this thing had some money behind it, you know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And Stephen Graham, as cool as he is, Like, he's
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: not a big name, you know, the name must be
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the guy that created Stephen Knight, who I looked it up.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: The only other thing that I know him from, which
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: is my favorite thing he's done. He wrote Eastern Promises,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: which is a David Cronenberg movie that fucking rules.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Love that movie.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, show was very well made. I liked. So
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I picked it for this segment because I saw the trailer.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It was about bare knuckle boxers, but really boxing is
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: all through about the show. The show is about boxing,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: and the great thing about it is there's a divide
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: between bare knuckle back room underground boxing and legit gloved
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: West End London boxing, and the gloves themselves are like
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the symbol of the divide between these two worlds. So
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: there's a character named Mary Carr who's a head of
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: a head of a female crime gang, Rob's department stores
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and shit like that, and she tells Stephen Graham in
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: one scene like look, as long as you're not wearing
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: gloves specifically, she heads in boxing gloves, you go. She said,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you'll always be seen as East End scum. The gloves
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: me You're in a sport for gentlemen, which I thought
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: was really interesting of how that, you know, what what
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the gloves mean to this story, particularly why yeah, we
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: get to see the west End boxing club is very bougie.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It's very upscale. People are in suits and top hats
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: and shit. But the cool thing about the story of
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that cool thing. But the the thing about the story
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that works is that that west End boxing club is
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: just as racist towards Hezekaiah Moscow.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah thing, it was no change, it was no. Yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: we're talking hell London in general is what it is.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: But that day, man, what are we talking about eighteen eighties?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm yeah, so I I appreciate the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: realism of it. They're not going to say, and you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the show itself doesn't really take a stand on whether, yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: boxing with gloves traditional is like the better option. It's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just like this is an option and then just being
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: a you know, the back room fighting's comeback is also
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: an option, and Stephen Graham absolutely loves that, so you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: that's his life and he doesn't know anything else, So
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: That right now. You know, it told the story very
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: well and unfortunately, like I'm half Jamaica, my dad's from Jamaica,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: so I have family out there, So watching that is like, damn,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Like it's really liked that people literally escape at small
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: island and go somewhere and we'll do whatever it takes
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to make it. And that's what it felt like, right
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: like when do we get dropped to that flashbacks of
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: his childhood and how bad it was and relations to
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: him and his dad and basically never quit because it's
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: all he had. That's all he had. That's why it
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: kind of sucks in this day and age we have
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the boxes we have and they take things so lightly
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: because back then boxing didn't have no options. So that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: why it kind of sucks with you here nor there.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: But for the for the film, for the product itself,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: it was pretty dope. Like, to be honest with you,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: it was pretty cool. I thought it was very well produced.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: My biggest thing, to be honest with you about it
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: was for that era it captured the boxing of that era,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: So I couldn't say the boxing scenes were trash because
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: for that era, that's what that's how they boxed. So
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I gotta think about that. I prepare it for that era.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: If I just thought with boxing scenes overall, probably not it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: But for that era it was pretty dope.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's brutal. It's a brutal, violent show too.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: The matches their bloody, and apart from the matches, when
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: people because it's a crime show, there's crime, keeper is like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: it's that it's hard a crime show. People are getting
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: fucked up in the show ways. They're getting beat up,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to get killed whatever, Like.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's people's blowing people's houses and spots up. Uh.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: They one dude got stabbed to dell. It was it
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: was wild. It was wild, but it was a very
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: interesting story. But it was also sad too, basically like, hey,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you can escape to the States, have anue life, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: it was just it was really sad more than anything.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Like dude was fighting for survival, not at a leisure
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he was fighting because that's
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: all he had. They came there broke you know. It
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: was really it was unfortunate and both dudes got cheated
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: when they first fought like fast, and that second they
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: first fight, they both got like crazy did because they
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: were beating dudes that know, we weren't getting beat you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: they were holding their own if nothing. El oh my
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the second guy, the main character, he was out here
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: fighting and whooping dudes asked for the most part and
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: then they pulled the wrung up under him and got
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: him out here. We thought tanks. Uh, he was bad.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: All that first second fight was crazy. They took dudes
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: legs and took it up under. They need him in the.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Face, got me in the face. Yeah that's boxing. Yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and hez the Kanya Moscow is the name of the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: main character. He even said like, well, you can't do this,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: you can't do the ship in boxing. But it wasn't
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: legit but yeah it was behind the bar. It was
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I said, people came in pay to see
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: people getting fucked there and they are tired. There are
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: people talking about killing their opponent cavalierly like nothing to
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: be like, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight this guy.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna beat the shit out and he's gonna die.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't like an exaggeration. It wasn't like you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the guys in the press conference today saying they'll catch
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a body. No, those fuckers will die in the ring,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: in the in the show. So it was wild. The
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: other thing that I thought was kind of weird, not
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: even it's not a complaint, but Stephen Graham plays sugar
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Goods and like I said, the crime boss, the the
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: big the guy who sets up the bare knuckle boxing matches,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: he fights himself. I thought he was gonna have like
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise and like a gang. But his whole
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: criminal underworld is just those fights. Like that's why he's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: crime boss. Like that's he says, like people have my protection,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I pay the cos blah blah. And I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: thought he was gonna be running guns or you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: just having a whole No, it's just him and his
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: brother and his bartender and they're a criminal gang because
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: they box. Like I mean, that's fine. Like I said,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting. Thought it was weird,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: but not really what I expected from these kinds of
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: crime shows. But I had a good time, you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I think the best thing I can
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: say about it is now I kind of watch want
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: to watch I want to watch Peaky Blinders that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: But also the themes was kind of weird, the theme
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: music that the Yeah, it was kind of off setting,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: but it was a cool all the way. You know,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: it was cool all things considered. Like I said, I
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I kind of I want to see the
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: remaining part of it, whether season two or season one
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: extended or how they do it. So it was cool
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: and like Hulu has some good shows, So I was,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I was impressed.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Cool, Well, we rake things out of four gloves on
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: this show. What would you give this show?
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Three point three three three three three.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Three Okay, okay, yeah, I'll go three point five, you
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: know I was. I was very impressed. Yeah, even you
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: know what, I'll even go like three point six five.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I thought about three point five. I figured you
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: would do that. So I knocked a little bit off
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: for them having a black guy. And to be honest
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: with you, it was I felt that it could have
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: been they could have dove a little bit deeper into
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: like the like how they got to Jamaica or how
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: they got from Jamaica to London. They could have dovelowed
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: deeper on the why or like, you know, what exactly
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: was the reason, Like was somebody chased them, there's a
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: better opportunity they just like I thought that it could
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more background outside of just a
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: meze call him and his dad situation. I thought it
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: could be a little bit more with that development. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: other than that, it was cool to me. And then
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: obviously since the end of the way it ended, will
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: know what happens next, so it was cool.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, don't don't go into this expecting a lot
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: of history of Jamaica or learning anything. It starts from
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: London forward. A couple of little flashbacks, very brief flashbacks,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: some things that happened there is like there was like
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: a rebellion in Jamaica that was put down by the British.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So uh, but yeah, the story is London forward. But
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: we'll see. We don't most see. Maybe there'll be flashbacks
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: in the next set of episodes, in the next six.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Will you tune in for the next six?
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm very interesting. I'm actually locked in now,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: so I'm curious see what happens. That's the biggest thing.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: But also it's just kind of crazy that like you're
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: in one racist place and you going to another, like
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: you're going from England in London to the US, Like
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: it's like going from you know, one STD to other
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: like you you know, you said, I get antibiotics either way.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: So it was with that being said, I hope, I
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: hope he has a good ending. He lost his boy.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: He obviously is not home. He's basically out there by himself.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: The person that he trusted the most basically stabbed him
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: in the back and was and it was hitting licks
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: while he was fighting and all and it all been.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: It was wild. It was a wild, wild show. But
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I do like that. That's the hell of a concept though,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: and it's crazy. It reminded me of so I know
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: you don't watch a lot of other sports, but it's
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: been happening lately, is these athletes have been getting robbed
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: while they're playing in games. So they'll be playing game
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: at like seven pm and their house gets hit.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: So that ship.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when he was boxing, it kind of you
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: know hit, uh, especially like oh, I've been having way
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: back then, so the same thing that's happening now. It's
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: been on a ring of those in the last couple
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: of years. But yeah, yep.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Really damn, that's that's wild.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I know I had house like they know no one's
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: home if you're am your family's at the game. Well, no,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the house is empty.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I had never heard of that. It's wild. Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thieves know in La unfortunately, or in a lot
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: of cities, you kind of to figure out who lives where.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well definitely check out the show if
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you're interested in not just if you're not a boxing fan.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I think the show is is good if you like
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: crime shows, if you like you're like violent crime shows,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: if you like people getting fucked up, to be quite
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: honest with you, because they're getting sucked up at the show.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming if you're a Piggy Blinders fan, you
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: know this is kind of similar styles. So uh, and
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: check out Eastern Promises. You know, fantastic movie director by Cronenberg.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: There's as got Ego Mordensen from Lord of the Rings.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: There's a bathhouse fight Russian bathouse, where's even their naked
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and his cock is flopping around while he's fighting.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Super great.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So all right, let's uh, we don't have a mail
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: bag question for today, so we're gonna save that for
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: another episode, So please write in any questions that you have.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: So let's finish off with this Jamison. Where can people
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: find you on social media?
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Oh? Before that, I'm gonna ask you a mailbag question. Question. Yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: no questions, man, go ahead, it's all good. I'll just
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: give you a hard time. What fight got you into boxing?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: What was the what was the fight? Probably your childhood
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: that made you a fan.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't think of a particular fight because
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: it was who is fighting? When I was a little kid,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: we would get together at my nana's house on Houston,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: whole family get together, pay for the pay per view,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and we did a lot. I remember, you know, sitting
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: in that living room kind of must have been like
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: three years or four years old, you know, my earliest
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: memories of that, And couldn't tell you who was fighting,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: but I remember the the energy, the vibes. I remember
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: everybody in the room, my nana, my oldest nana with
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: her bad hip, bad you know, shoulder whatever, still jumping out,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: you know, yelling, everybody cheering, and that energy, like that
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: senergy I still feel when I'm watching boxing to this day.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And it started there, you know, Yeah, everybody was a fan.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I remember when Canelo lost a bev all. I texted
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: my mom and I was like, what was it like
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: when you watch Ulosa sun Jamas Luise. She's like, yeah,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I fucking cried.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, I know, I know what you mean.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean. So it's that not one
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: in particularly, it's that period, that era. So again, my
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: family's all all Mexican. You know, I'm Mexican American, but
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that having that you know, Mexican boxer, that pride there.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It still feels very similar today when I watch canulifis
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm a fan, and people hate on him,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and even if I can say like he's fighting somebody,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: that's you know, to me, okay this and that. When
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I go to see the match and I see everybody
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: getting together, getting rowdy, having a good time, it doesn't matter.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: No other boxer, no other Mexican boxer makes me feel
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that way that, you know, as good as they are.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Ramirez doesn't, you know, bring up that kind of hype,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you know, Hia Mugia. Nobody gets people that hype like
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Canela does. And that's what I really love about boxing most,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: that feeling.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: So I got you I got you so, like, it's
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: funny you mentioned that. So, like what Canelo does for y'all,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Floyd did for us. Yeah, and we got four Floyd.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: It was kind of Mike who did it for us. Uh.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: So I kind of feel you coming from. Uh, but
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: we're similar in age, so I totally understand where you're
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: coming from.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: For me, it's tough because I remember the only fight
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I remember like thoroughly, with all the stuff going on,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I was like ten right, so like by some holy Field,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I remember, uh. But randomly I remember watching Riddick bow
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: and a lot of the low glow and all the
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: criziness with that. I remember those fights over interesting, but
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: it felt like the boxing matches where they were in
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: an event where everybody celebrated, everybody came together, way more
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: energy and passion. Now we watched to complain. Back then
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: we watched the chair and have a good time, and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: that is uh, you know that's a little bit different. Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Our producers old as hell, he said, he's old. Over.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: With that being said, Uh, with that being said, I
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: would say, I'm so I was born eighty six, So
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I said, I mean I remember some of the stories
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: of like earlier fights, but like that ninety five to
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: ninety six range is what I remember at like got
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: me like, okay, I really like this, really enjoyed it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I used to tag along with my dad and we
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: would go to my godfather's house and he'd always have
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the fights on, like so I'd always tagle on watch
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: the fights. But I you know, I start knowing understand
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: what's going on in all the promotion around and every day,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: knowing who Don King was and around ten or eleven,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: and it was cool. It was I've been a fan
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: ever since, so it's been it's been dope to watch.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I remember we watched Tyson fights as well.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: For me, I guess I connected more with the little guys.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a fat piece of shit now, but I was
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: a little guy scorning. So yeah, the you know, the
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: heavyweight fighters, that was awesome, but like you know, the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: the lightweight guys, featherweights, you know, the guys that are
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: on that weight range. That's the guys that I saw
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: myself in, you know, especially as I grew older, teenager again,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: still scrawny as hell. I was skinning for like twenty
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: five years of my life. But it wasn't until that
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: later that I started getting getting fat. So so yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I definitely enjoyed watching Tyson as well, but I never
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: connected with the heavyweights and the and the bigger dudes
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: as I did.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: With the Well, we weren't a lot for Tyson's prime,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. We was such a we
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: wasn't around for that, so we didn't get to see
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: that unfortunately. So we saw a lot of holy Field,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: We saw a lot of Daleye. We saw a lot
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: of Linz Lewis and Roy Jones and like Matt Koor
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: guys and beyond right, So uh, that's kind of like
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: our when we were ten and eleven ish, that's who
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: was cooking at that time. But but yeah, I was
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: kind of curious because you know, every everybody that watch
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: enjoyed Box. I remember that one fight their first, like big,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: big fight. I remember that got them hooked for forever.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: So I was kind of curious about that. Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so man, great discussion is always absolutely cool.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: So producer got this random question that he knows better,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: but he said, prime Roy versus Prime Canelo, that is
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: an interesting fight, but Prime, So where they at one
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: sixty eight? I guess they both be at one sixty
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: eight if I had one six. Yeah, that's interesting, you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Know I do. If you remember a couple episodes ago,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I said, I never do the fantasy matchups. You know,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: it's a good question, but also I always prefer, like,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: who can people actually fight the stage?
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Roy Jones fought Mike Tyson a few
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: years ago. Let's say what happened if Roy Jeords came
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: back and fought Cadelo and another stupid show case. I'd
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I'd rather discuss that than you could do fantasy matchups.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I've so many things are different, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of styles and and just where boxers are
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: coming from, and you can't you can't just plug a
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: guy into another era.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the generations are different, the training is different, the
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: everything's different. In hell. I mean, we knew Roy was
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: fighting for tax for tax money. We should have took
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: that consideration. But with that being said, yeah, it's it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: tough to compare errors. It really is.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because I'm a fan boy, I'll say Canelo
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: would win. But if I want to say, whose music
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I'd rather listen to is Roy Jones's rap music?
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: I would take prime Roy prime. Roy's prime is almost
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: better than anyone. I mean, his prime is up there
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: with anyone else's primis ever participate in sport. So with
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: that being said, apply take Roy. But man, i'd be
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: it's actually a really good question for like a fantasy
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: type of thing. But I'm with you. I don't like
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: comparing guys for different eras because so much stuff was different.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a fascinating matchup. Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Now I'm always going to go to like what are
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: the actual active fighters and what fights could we what
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: fantasy fight that could actually happen that aren't happening. It's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: always whatever to talk about. So cool, cool, good discussion
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: as always, Man, appreciate it. I want to plug your
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: social media.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Man at Lee Jamison on Twitter. I'll be on their
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: talk boxing and stuff. And with that being said, man,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: we got some fights coming up. We got a lot
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: of stuff going on we should get by the time
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: we come back. There should be a rematch announcement I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: heard today as al as like five hours ago or
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, there was an announcement that there should be
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: a rematch within the next few days, so we should
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: be getting something shortly.
• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:56
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