Latest / Money Grows on Trees / #317 - The 3 Wealth Archetypes (Don’t Get This Wrong)
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- 0:00There are three types of investors when it comes to risk. Most people invest backwards. They chase
- 0:06returns first and think about risks second. That's how you lose money. So here's the truth. Your risk
- 0:13appetite isn't just about how much volatility you can handle. It's about your age, your income, your
- 0:19goals, and your time horizon, and certainly your psychology. And if you get it wrong. If you're
- 0:24going to aggressive when you should be conservative or you're too conservative, when you
- 0:27should be aggressive, you're going to either blow up your portfolio or miss out on decades of
- 0:33wealth creation. So I spent years helping people build portfolios that match their actual risk
- 0:37tolerance, not what they think they can handle, what they can actually handle when markets crash
- 0:43or fear takes over. So the next few minutes, I'm going to show you exactly how to assess your own
- 0:48real risk appetite, how to build a portfolio that matches it, and how to avoid the biggest mistakes
- 0:53investors make when they don't understand their own psychology. So firstly, what is risk tolerance?
- 0:59Risk tolerance is not how aggressive you want to be. It's how you behave under pressure. Okay? That's
- 1:04the difference. Anyone can tolerate risk in a bull market. Real tolerance shows up when markets crash.
- 1:10Headlines in the news scream. Friends panic. Your neighbour panics. Your wife panics. Portfolios
- 1:17bleed. Right. This is when the pressure's on. Okay. So have you ever experienced a true 30 to 50%
- 1:24drawdown? Because if you haven't, you don't actually know your risk tolerance yet. Okay. So
- 1:30getting into what they are. There are three investor archetypes. How many? Three. So let's
- 1:36define them. Number one is the Guardian low risk tolerance which means you don't tolerate risk
- 1:43well. And by risk I want to say is the moment. There's two things to risk. Just to nail this in
- 1:49academics. Risk is the movement or volatility of an asset. That's why they say stocks are more
- 1:56risky because they're the price swings and moves so much. However, as Warren Buffett and Charlie
- 2:02Munger define risk, which is I think is how you should define it, is the risk of the likelihood or
- 2:08the probability of permanent loss of capital. That's how I decide for risk. Okay. It's not the
- 2:14movement of an asset. Okay. So just bear that in mind. Now let's go to the first archetype low risk
- 2:20tolerance. Which means you don't tolerate volatility. Well that's what this means. So it's
- 2:24the academic version because there's I don't think anyone would tolerate losing their capital
- 2:27well. So if we can apply those risk tolerance measures under this it would be as an asset moves.
- 2:32But also what's the likelihood you're going to lose your money. So the Guardian doesn't want
- 2:37anything to do with permanent loss of capital. Okay. You're with me. So the Guardian values
- 2:42stability and certainty. Okay. So psychologically, the Guardian hates
- 2:49volatility. They lose sleep over market drops. They prefer predictability. They value
- 2:55security over upside. And their portfolio trades are typically large cash buffers. They're like
- 3:01broad diversified index exposure. You won't see them buying individual stocks. You won't see them
- 3:06punting on crypto in no way. They love defensive assets. They love low leverage. So they don't like
- 3:10having any debt as well okay. Their strengths are they can survive any downturn comfortably. Their
- 3:16weaknesses they may sacrifice upside for safety. Okay, so here's a bit of history. During the crash
- 3:22of 2008, even 2020, in Covid, guardians didn't panic because their portfolios didn't implode, right?
- 3:28So if your portfolio dropped 25% or you felt physically stressed, like you couldn't sleep, you
- 3:33felt sick during crashes, you're probably a guardian, okay? And that's not a weakness. A
- 3:38guardian is someone who can survive, right? Totally fine. And I think it's a wonderful idea. In fact,
- 3:45they're all great. They have their own traits. But you could be a guardian. Okay. And I'd love to know
- 3:48in the comments below as I go through these. Which one are you? All right, the second one. Number two
- 3:53is the builder. Okay. Now, these folks have moderate risk talents somewhere in the middle. Okay. The
- 3:57builder understands that volatility is there, but they manage it. The psychology is they accept
- 4:02drawdowns. They think long term and they seek growth. But with structure. Okay, they don't chase
- 4:08hype. And the portfolio trades are typically heavy equity exposure. Some diversification across
- 4:14sectors. Limited speculative allocation strong emergency fund and their strengths are balanced
- 4:20growth with survivability. So it's a bit of a combo. Their weaknesses they can feel FOMO in
- 4:25extreme bull markets. But builders definitely survived the dotcom crash. They survived GFC. They
- 4:29survived Covid because they stayed invested and they had enough conservative ness in their
- 4:34portfolio. Okay, so do you view crashes as opportunities but still want stability? If that's
- 4:40the case then you have builder energy. Now, just so turns out that actually I'll leave you this. I'll
- 4:46see if you can guess what I am at the end of these three archetypes. So stay to the end to
- 4:50explain this and I'll tell you which one I am. All right. So the third one, this is the third one, the
- 4:54hunter I should say the hunter. So high risk tolerance. The hunter seeks asymmetric upside. They
- 5:01want they're like, oh there's no downside. Let's just go fully upside. Right. Who does want
- 5:05asymmetric returns. But they look for them. Unfortunately they get caught out in non
- 5:08asymmetrical terms and they lose a lot of money. So the psychology is they're super comfortable
- 5:13with volatility. Right. They're they're usually entrepreneurs too. At the same time they've got
- 5:17higher conviction mindsets like this is the way you'll see a lot of these people are like this.
- 5:21This is the only this is how it's going to happen. And they like, come on my journey. And they you
- 5:25know, I'm thinking I'm like Michael Saylor, right? High conviction mindset. They can tolerate major
- 5:29swings, right? And they pursue very concentrated portfolios. In fact, you'll see these guys, they'll
- 5:35have their entire net worth in just one asset class. One thing that could totally implode okay.
- 5:41In their portfolios they're typically high growth asset sector concentration, speculative
- 5:45allocations lots of speculation. So possibly a lot of crypto early stage venture capital Start-Ups
- 5:51where the likelihood of success is low. But when it does succeed, it boom. It goes way up right. High
- 5:56beta stocks which is like high volatility stocks a lot of growth stocks a lot of AI stuff AI
- 6:00exposure. The strengths are they capture explosive upside. Like you can see some of these guys and
- 6:05they go oh I've got you know I've built this $10 million portfolio in a few years. It's like, whoa,
- 6:09How are you? Survived. Right. They flew close to the sun like Icarus, but they survived. Someone like
- 6:14Elon Musk is this. He's a hunter. He has flown close to the sun on multiple occasions and
- 6:20survived. And he's what we call. He displays what's called survivorship bias because most people
- 6:27didn't survive that, but they capture a massive upside. The weakness, of course, is the higher
- 6:31probability of making mistakes even if their discipline fails. So hunters thrive in bull
- 6:36markets, but they seldom survive bear markets. Right. So they get knocked out. They often say, have
- 6:41you ever really seen or met a 95 year old fat person obese person? The answer is no because
- 6:46they've never made it. So it's the same like the hunter. If they make it their hunter tendencies,
- 6:51they end up losing it again, you know? So you've got to be careful of this. If you genuinely
- 6:55wouldn't flinch at a 50% drawdown, and if you've got, uh, no real financial buffer to survive it, you
- 7:02might be a hunter. Just quickly, if you're ready to take control of your finances but feel. Stuck. On
- 7:07where to start, I have a solution. My book, Money Bias Happiness simplifies investing and wealth
- 7:12building with practical steps to help you achieve financial peace. Get your copy via the link in the
- 7:17show notes and let's get your money working for you. Now back to the episode. So 100 is just
- 7:22someone who takes bigger swings, right? So which one. Are. You? Which one are you? Which one do you
- 7:26think I am? The biggest mistake. I'll tell you which one I am in a second. The biggest mistake
- 7:30you can make as an investor is trying to be a hunter when you're a guardian. Right? And so you've
- 7:35got to be careful. Because if you're a guardian and you're watching hunters like an influencer,
- 7:39you'll try and copy the influencer, you'll copy friends who are hunters, you'll copy social media
- 7:43portfolios, and then boom, when the volatility hits, you're panic. You're like, Holy shit, what am I
- 7:47going to do, right? Markets don't destroy. Investors. It's the mismatched, mismatched risk that does it.
- 7:53Okay, so are you investing according to your ego, your archetype, your investing archetype or your
- 7:57psychology? Or you're just following people willy nilly into what theirs is? Right. And history will
- 8:02punish the mismatch. So if we go back to the year 2000 tech collapse, like 2008, equities melted
- 8:0950% of the GFC. Bitcoin. It's just had a huge 50% drawdown in the last few month or so that hunters
- 8:15who weren't financially prepared have become four sellers. You can see on X, if you go and see all
- 8:19these Bitcoin accounts, they're all hunters and they're just getting slain. They're all
- 8:23capitulating. Like, what. Have I done? I've seen so many portfolios like I've lost everything. I've
- 8:27never done hunters right. They weren't prepared financially. I mean, hunters that weren't prepared.
- 8:33If you're a hunter and you're well prepared, you can survive it. Okay. Um, Guardians who became
- 8:37overextended are more so. Probably them. Shouldn't laugh. But, you know, if you're a guardian, you've
- 8:43become overextended because of Michael Saylor. Then you would become what's called traumatised.
- 8:47You would have financial trauma. Okay, it's called lost pawn, and it's everywhere right now. So
- 8:52builders who stayed in somewhere in the middle tend to be disciplined compound, as I'd say Warren
- 8:57Buffett's a builder. Um, whereas Elon Musk is a hunter, I think because he could have gone broke
- 9:02so many times. Right. Uh, so is your portfolio built to survive the worst year of the next decade?
- 9:06That's my question to you. Is it because if it isn't, you might be too much. You might be
- 9:10following the hunters too much. Okay. Hunters are like YOLO. Let's just go for this because you I
- 9:13only get one life. So how do you build? How do you build based on your own archetype? Well, here's the
- 9:19step. Ready? Step one. First foremost, identify your archetype. Pop in the comments below. What one are
- 9:24you? All right, you're the guardian, the builder, or the hunter? Pop below. Which one are you? That's the
- 9:27first step. Second step. Build allocation around that, around your emotional threshold. So not for
- 9:33when times are good, but for when times get bad. Okay, I've redeployed and restructured our
- 9:37portfolio based on those things and it without a doubt was one of the smartest things I did.
- 9:43Because I understand my archetype and I understand to play around the archetype, I listen
- 9:48to that archetype. I don't, I don't, I listen to it inherently. So that keeps me steady. Okay. Step
- 9:54three stress test your portfolio. What do I mean by that? Well, what you got to play it out. What
- 10:00happens if it falls 30%. And sometimes you don't know this until it actually happens to you, right?
- 10:04What if income what if your income drops? What if what happens if markets go sideways for five? I
- 10:09often think about this and people don't actually like hmm, could my portfolio survive me and my
- 10:14psychology If it did nothing but just go sideways for 14 years, which is exactly what the Nasdaq did
- 10:20from the year 2000 to 2014 went sideways. So could I survive that? Would the portfolio survive? But
- 10:25would I survive not killing the portfolio? And the answer is yes, I would now. So I think asking these
- 10:31questions allows you to fix your portfolio to you basically fix it against your own self-sabotage.
- 10:37Right? And if your strategy breaks under stress, it's not really a line. So it's like you've got to
- 10:42stress test it mentally and ask these good questions. Okay. So getting to me personally I lean
- 10:48towards builder. Okay. So I'm in the middle there. Builder I prefer cash flowing income producing
- 10:53assets durable businesses, compounding machines, limited speculation. I have no speculation. None. I
- 10:59wouldn't think all the things I own are cash flowing, pieces of cash flowing businesses, private
- 11:04business, or whatever it is. Even when I've got into businesses, entrepreneurship because I've got
- 11:08now we've got five businesses and five companies, all each one of them has got downside protection.
- 11:13It's all it was already proven and they were our asymmetric very much asymmetric doesn't mean
- 11:19there's not risk as you build them because you've got to take swings and scale and so forth. But
- 11:22they're calculated how I approach this through building mentality, which is why I'm not, you know,
- 11:28you won't see me experiencing fast growth. I grind through and build things that have sustainability
- 11:33and durability. That's me. I value endurance over adrenaline, basically, and a lot of people don't,
- 11:37but I do. I don't need a swing for home runs. I need to survive and compound. Survive and compound.
- 11:43When I was boxing, my boxing coach said, hey, you got to survive. You don't want to get knocked out.
- 11:49You got to, you know, at least get to points. So you got a chance. You can't, you know, no chance. You're
- 11:53knocked out. Right. So your defence as important as your offence sometimes offence is a great defence.
- 11:57But you'll be careful you don't wear yourself out and get on the rope a dope. Like what happened to
- 12:00George Foreman? Rumble of the jungle with Muhammad Ali. All right, well, so would you rather compound
- 12:05at 12% for 20 years or chase 50% returns in your investing and risk blowing it up? This is what's
- 12:09happening out there, right? I think you know the answer to that question, but you've got to be
- 12:12reminded of it. So you need to identify your investing archetype. Don't need you You don't need
- 12:18to have the most aggressive portfolio. You don't need to be the fastest. You just need to be the
- 12:21most aligned. Okay. Guardians will build wealth slowly, slowly and steadily. Builders will build
- 12:26consistently and intelligently, and hunters will build explosively, right? If they survive, you've
- 12:33got to be careful. You're following them. They may not be here in a couple of years. Just so you know,
- 12:36there's a lot that have gone right. So mismatch investors are the ones that lose. And knowing and
- 12:42choosing your archetype is the most important thing right. So then build according to that. So
- 12:46comment below again are you a guardian a builder or a hunter G, B or H below. And be honest, how
- 12:53would you react to a 40% drawdown? If you want disciplined frameworks for long term wealth, hit
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