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Fire Prevention Landscapes with Greg Rubin · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we'll discuss anything that has to do with
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  Speaker 1: Now here are your hosts, Brian Maine, John Bagnasco, and
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  Speaker 1: Tiger Palafox on the Garden America Radio and Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just got to go ahead sign from Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: That means it is six minutes after the hour. We
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  Speaker 2: are ready to go a nice long warm up in
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  Speaker 2: the studio before the actual broadcast. But welcome once again,
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  Speaker 2: Happy weekend, Welcome to your weekend here Garden America. Brian Main,
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  Speaker 2: John Bagnasco, Tiger Pealafox a couple of nice comments before
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  Speaker 2: the show, looking forward to spending part of their Saturday
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  Speaker 2: morning with us.
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  Speaker 3: John, Yeah, yeah, you know, does this show ever remind
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  Speaker 3: you of an episode of Twilight So oh?
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  Speaker 2: In many ways because when you start the show or
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  Speaker 2: start watching Twilight Zone, you're never quite sure how it's
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  Speaker 2: going to end up, and there's usually a lot of twists.
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  Speaker 3: And turns and sure where it's gone.
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  Speaker 4: Plot variation. Absolutely, you know the time frame.
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  Speaker 5: It's in exact exactly, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Especially if you're listening on the radio, because we were
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  Speaker 3: here last week exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So twilight Zone fans out there, we've been discussing
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  Speaker 2: twilight Zone. Anyway, We're going to discuss gardening today, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got a guest and we're just ready to
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  Speaker 2: go gardening.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe some rain coming.
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  Speaker 4: Our way, gardening rain.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the last.
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  Speaker 2: Time that, Yeah, other than just sixty nine, wasn't here,
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  Speaker 2: John and San Diego.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, but it's almost a year, right.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, I feel like it's been
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  Speaker 4: almost a year, because you got to think we're in
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  Speaker 4: the end of January, beginning of February. Now nothing. Last
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  Speaker 4: year we had a wet We had a wet year.
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  Speaker 5: I would the weeds everywhere two.
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  Speaker 4: Years the last two years, right, So I would say
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  Speaker 4: it rained all the way up into April, maybe in
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  Speaker 4: May for us. Right. So now if you think about
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  Speaker 4: it from that time, we're only three months away from
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  Speaker 4: that from a year, and in the rain that we
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  Speaker 4: have in the forecast isn't even really rain, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's like a possibility of rain.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Now, John's a big advocate of the Pharma's almanac. Haha,
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  Speaker 2: what what did they say about this season? But I
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  Speaker 2: mean what there's some uh like publications or news or
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  Speaker 2: weather talking about what may happen. I don't remember them
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  Speaker 2: saying it's going to be a drought.
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  Speaker 4: They said it was a Nina year as opposed to Lanino. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and which means dry, means dry for us, but it
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  Speaker 4: means this three years in a row of rain for
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  Speaker 4: northern Cali. Correct, Right, Yeah, they're and they're getting it
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  Speaker 4: like they are getting it. We are not. So that's
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  Speaker 4: what we do.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you, No, we we It's always good to
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  Speaker 2: get the rain.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what you know. We're living here in this desert.
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  Speaker 2: This is a desert, which is one big reason why
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  Speaker 2: the fires get out of control so quickly. People forget
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  Speaker 2: that tree. How many native trees do we really have
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  Speaker 2: here in California? Three southern California, right, two or three?
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  Speaker 2: Everything else was brought in here. This is an arid desert.
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  Speaker 2: Right to the water, right to the ocean, arid.
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  Speaker 4: What about Tory pines, Yeah, it's it is native. That's
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  Speaker 4: one of the one of them three because we had
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  Speaker 4: six more.
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  Speaker 3: Right to the ocean though, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, for the most part, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: forest or a jungle. It's not like we we you know,
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  Speaker 2: cut down trees.
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  Speaker 3: I have to agree with you there. It's neither a
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  Speaker 3: forest nor a jungle.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm hoping we get some rain.
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  Speaker 4: That is one thing. Did I ever talk to you
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  Speaker 4: about this phenomenon? So I was in Lake, Michigan this
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  Speaker 4: past summer, and you know, people have these beautiful lake
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  Speaker 4: houses right on the lake, okay, and the forest goes
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  Speaker 4: right to the lake. Yeahah, And people keep the forest
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  Speaker 4: going right to the lake. They don't cut the trees down.
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  Speaker 4: They don't. They don't make a clearing or anything of
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  Speaker 4: that sort. They just leave the forest street to.
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  Speaker 3: Lake unless that lot sells, because that's like front property.
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  Speaker 4: No, but that's what I'm saying, even when they have
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  Speaker 4: from properly went to a I went to a friend's
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  Speaker 4: house in the in the houses up in the trees,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the way it is. And that's normal where
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  Speaker 4: in California. Oh, if there's a tree blocking your view
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  Speaker 4: of the water, you cut that down. That does or
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  Speaker 4: not stay. And I'm so amazing, I asked, I said,
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  Speaker 4: why don't you clear out these treetes, and he's like,
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  Speaker 4: why would I like because then you could see the lake.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I could see the lake. Fine, I don't
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  Speaker 4: need to cut out down all these trees shade. They
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  Speaker 4: would rather have the shade, they would rather be in
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  Speaker 4: the trees. It's a it's a different mentality very much. So. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Plus your I would say, almost anywhere in Michigan you're
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  Speaker 3: less than thirty minutes from a lake.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I'm not it's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 4: And also it probably provides them some sense of protection
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  Speaker 4: because if you're fully exposed to that lake during the winter,
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  Speaker 4: that's probably not going either. That's you know, that wind
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  Speaker 4: howling off of that frozen lake and right up to
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  Speaker 4: your house. You probably want that bear of shrubbery trees
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  Speaker 4: to break up some of that too.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of our listeners are are online talking about
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  Speaker 3: the the camellias that are beginning to bloom.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Carlo's sending a picture of her Nucio's
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  Speaker 3: pearl camellia that we put in the news.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was nice, and this.
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  Speaker 3: Is this is just about the beginning of camellia season, right, Tiger.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 3: The sun camellia started late last fall, right, but now
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  Speaker 3: the the camellia Japan upon getting to bloom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, it's a funny thing when you
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  Speaker 4: start to see them bloom. But it's also seventy seven
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  Speaker 4: degrees outside in sunny, you know what I mean. Like
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  Speaker 4: normally you're accustomed to being a little bit winter weather,
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  Speaker 4: some rain, some clouds.
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  Speaker 3: Don't we have a whole week of cold weather.
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  Speaker 4: It says that relative relatively cold cold for us. So
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  Speaker 4: I was out in Santea, which is East County, San Diego,
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  Speaker 4: last night and I was freezing. I'll bet it was
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  Speaker 4: forty six degrees outside and I was freezing.
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  Speaker 6: You know what.
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  Speaker 5: I'm surprised it was. I would have thought that was
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  Speaker 5: the wind blowing.
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  Speaker 4: Though not really. I was just it was just cool.
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  Speaker 2: I would thought it would be colder forty six to
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  Speaker 2: me because I was thirty seven yesterday morning when I
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  Speaker 2: drove you an appointment.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, thirty seven.
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  Speaker 3: I think I told you guys last week the temperature was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at my phone and says the temperature is
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  Speaker 3: forty eight, and it puts feels like thirty nine because
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  Speaker 3: the wind was blowing so hard.
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  Speaker 5: That's what it said. Yeah, how do you know what
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  Speaker 5: everyone feels like? Yeah, I thought if I thought it like.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty said, it feels to me like it's thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So so you know you've talked about this before, John,
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  Speaker 4: about plants get triggered by certain things. The camellia, the
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  Speaker 4: camellias blossom. Is it triggered by the cold or the
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  Speaker 4: daylight hours?
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  Speaker 3: Daylight?
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  Speaker 4: It's cold, so it doesn't matter how cold or hot
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  Speaker 4: it is. It's the amount of sunlight.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty smart. Yeah, don't let the variations of temperature
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  Speaker 2: throw you off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's different, right, Some plants are different like this.
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  Speaker 4: Some are controlled by the colder heat you know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, dormancy, it's controlled by either one and the same
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  Speaker 3: thing with blooming on some plants. Symbidiums is one. That's
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  Speaker 3: why you can't grow symbidiums indoors unless you've got a
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  Speaker 3: cold porch or something. If they don't get cool nighttime temperatures,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to bloom.
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  Speaker 4: I have mine butted up right now to you. Yep,
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  Speaker 4: can't wait. M Yeah, I love I love them.
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  Speaker 3: I like the there's so many new hybrids and symbidiums
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  Speaker 3: almost like with failing OPSI circuits, but they're not as
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  Speaker 3: easy to find, you know, because you need that cool temperature.
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  Speaker 3: You don't see them in supermarkets as much as you
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  Speaker 3: usually do.
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  Speaker 4: I just like it because it's one of those ones
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  Speaker 4: that you can put outside and just be very successful with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. It's it's I think you put a
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  Speaker 3: failirean opsis outside, it's going to.
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  Speaker 4: Be dead exactly exactly. But it's some vidium. You can
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  Speaker 4: put it outside protected area, You're going to be successful.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna love it. I had this one house that
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  Speaker 4: I used to go to and they used to have
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  Speaker 4: these big, almost like twenty four inch sized plastic terra
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  Speaker 4: cotta pots, about twenty of them, just filled with different symbidiums. Hmm.
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  Speaker 4: It was amazing when they were all in blue.
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  Speaker 2: We got a couple of minutes to the break. Two
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  Speaker 2: things to attend to right now. First of all, we'll
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  Speaker 2: tease our guest, but after John's quote of the week,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk about who we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: to this morning here in Garden in America. John, you're
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  Speaker 2: ripe and ready to go, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: I've got it right here.
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  Speaker 4: Good for you.
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  Speaker 3: The quotes by by You're one of the people you
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  Speaker 3: admire most Brian Rachel Carson.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel Carson, Yeah, call her Rach in the neighborhood. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing, Rachel?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, those who contemplate the beauty of the
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  Speaker 3: earth find reserves of strength that will do her as
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  Speaker 3: long as life lasts.
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  Speaker 5: Where do where she got that quote from?
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  Speaker 3: She made it up?
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  Speaker 5: Did she good for her?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Tiger somebody we've had on before. If you
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  Speaker 2: get the newsletter, by the way, you know what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be talking about. You saw his picture, you
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  Speaker 2: saw John's articles, you saw other pictures. You saw pictures
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  Speaker 2: that people sent us from what's growing in their garden.
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  Speaker 4: But we're going to be having Greg Rubin. Greg is
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  Speaker 4: going to be doing us a wonderful native plant planting
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  Speaker 4: advocate here in southern California. Is going to help us
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  Speaker 4: maybe debunk some myths in terms of fire protection, in
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  Speaker 4: terms of planting.
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  Speaker 2: All that's going to be a debunking show. I had
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  Speaker 2: to look twice when I saw who was going to
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  Speaker 2: be on. Uh his name again, Greg, Greg Rubin. I
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  Speaker 2: grew up with a Gary Rubin. I went to high school,
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  Speaker 2: elementary school. I think it was his dad junior high school.
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  Speaker 2: But I had to look twice at that name. I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: what does Gary know about this kind of stuff? Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be good. The show's gonna be debunking. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna be debunkers today.
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  Speaker 4: What is Gary about that?
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  Speaker 6: Hey?
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  Speaker 3: You know, speaking of you get.
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  Speaker 5: About thirty seconds, John, go, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, debunking. If you're out there doing Google searches. The
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  Speaker 3: first thing that comes up now is AI, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to warn our listeners that a lot of those
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  Speaker 3: things that you see first that answer your questions are wrong.
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  Speaker 2: What's kind of like Wikipedia, right, Wikipedia, because anybody can
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  Speaker 2: add to Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 4: So that AI is just gathering with what's out there,
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  Speaker 4: and if the wrong information is out there, it sends
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  Speaker 4: it to you.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take a break. We want to
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  Speaker 2: welcome those listening tuned in on BIS Talk Radio. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you Stephanie for keeping us on the You and your
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  Speaker 2: team BIS Talk Radio Facebook Live. Brian Main, John Bignasco
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  Speaker 2: Tiger Palafox. It is break time for BIS Talk Radio
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  Speaker 2: Facebook Live. Back after these messages, we're gonna get a
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  Speaker 2: hold of our guests.
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  Speaker 4: Do stay with us.
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  Speaker 7: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
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  Speaker 7: John and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: If we are back from the break. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: tuning in those on biz Talk Radio. Welcome one and
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  Speaker 2: all Facebook Live. It's the regular cast of characters, the
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  Speaker 2: A Team, the Varsity Team tuned in today with that
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  Speaker 2: in mind, Guard America continues. I'm gonna toss to Tiger
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  Speaker 2: and let's welcome our guest.
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  Speaker 4: Tiger.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Our guest this morning is a longtime friend of the show,
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  Speaker 4: Greg Rubin. He's joined us before talking about native plants, planting,
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  Speaker 4: design care of native plants here in southern California, but
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  Speaker 4: also you know, kind of natives in general. The theme
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  Speaker 4: kind of goes with where you're living, because it's all
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  Speaker 4: a matter of making making your landscape fit with what
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  Speaker 4: you have, with the nature of wherever you are, the watering,
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  Speaker 4: the cold, the sun, the soil, all of that. Greg,
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  Speaker 4: good morning, Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Tyger.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, so Greg, refresh our listeners. A little bit about
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  Speaker 4: your your history, your past, where your knowledge comes from.
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  Speaker 4: You know, what is it that you you do today?
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  Speaker 6: So I am almost exclusively a California native plant landscaper.
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  Speaker 4: So I use.
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  Speaker 6: Plants that are indigenous to California. And we've done about
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  Speaker 6: eight hundred landscapes, give or take in southern California since
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  Speaker 6: about nineteen ninety five. And certainly, you know, you have habitat,
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  Speaker 6: you have drought talents, you have lower maintenance, you have beauty,
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  Speaker 6: but also a special interest and a lot of experience
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  Speaker 6: with fire in our californiative landscapes and the fire behavior
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  Speaker 6: and the fact that we haven't lost a home yet,
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  Speaker 6: even though we've had a couple dozen homes go through
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  Speaker 6: major fire events, you know, notck wood.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, when it comes to native plants
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  Speaker 4: for southern California, a lot of people instantly think like,
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  Speaker 4: oh man, these you know, we have a lot of
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  Speaker 4: fires in our areas, So why would you want to
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  Speaker 4: plant native because they seem the ones that are the
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  Speaker 4: most prone to burning. You know, what do you what
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  Speaker 4: do you what do you answer to that? Greg?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting because you know, chaparral doesn't need to burn,
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  Speaker 6: but it was it is adapted to very infrequent fires
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  Speaker 6: that would burn catastrophically all the way out to the ocean.
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  Speaker 6: But since prior to human habitation, there were no ignition sources.
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  Speaker 6: Prior to humans, I mean there were there was lightning,
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  Speaker 6: all right, but how often do you have lightning during
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  Speaker 6: a sant Ana wind event, right, So it was a
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  Speaker 6: rare It was a rare convergent of factors that would
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  Speaker 6: actually cause one of these fires to happen. And so
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  Speaker 6: they've gotten this reputation for being firebombs, you know, like
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  Speaker 6: you're going to plant a native plant next to your
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  Speaker 6: house and will spontaneously burst into flames and burn down
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  Speaker 6: your house. Well, actually, what we discovered is that if
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  Speaker 6: you give them very light hydration on the level of
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  Speaker 6: the summer thunderstorm, maybe three times a month during the
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  Speaker 6: warm weather, you know, they can actually become quite fire resistant.
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  Speaker 6: Some of the most fire resistant materials they might have
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  Speaker 6: are actually native plants that have been hydrated. And it
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  Speaker 6: takes so little water to actually hydrate a native plant.
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  Speaker 4: And so when you say, you know, hydrating a native plant,
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  Speaker 4: you're just talking about you know, the watering of them,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whether it by hand or by irrigation, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, As you mentioned, this isn't something that has
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  Speaker 4: to happen three to four times a week in order
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  Speaker 4: to get that level of hydration. This is something that
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can do kind of infrequently, but you
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  Speaker 4: just don't want it to turn into the dry brush
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  Speaker 4: that a native plant would normally turn it into in
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  Speaker 4: the summertime. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, with this light, you know, thunderstorm level watering, the
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  Speaker 6: hydration actually replaces a lot of the oils that would
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  Speaker 6: sustain these plants in the absence of any supplement earth
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  Speaker 6: water and so, and they hold on to it in
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  Speaker 6: the face of flames. So, like I said, we've had
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  Speaker 6: about two dozen homes go through major fire events. I
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  Speaker 6: mean we're talking Cedar Witch Creek, you know, Harris and
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  Speaker 6: you know not Wood. We haven't lost a single house yet,
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  Speaker 6: and we have a pretty good idea of what's going
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  Speaker 6: on both mechanically and you know, how the fire reacts
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  Speaker 6: to when it hits this native vegetation. And it's been very,
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  Speaker 6: very gratifying successful. And we actually tested it in a
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  Speaker 6: four year research project for the.
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  Speaker 4: US Navy and and so in some of that research,
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  Speaker 4: did you guys look at specific plants or just groups
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  Speaker 4: of plants how did you guys evaluate that?
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  Speaker 6: So it's interesting, yes, I mean the you know, we
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  Speaker 6: targeted a few different species because we looked at different
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  Speaker 6: scenarios lightly irrigated, planted native landscape, thinned chaparral, and then
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  Speaker 6: the modified unmodified control. And what we found was that
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  Speaker 6: the lightly irrigated landscapes consistently in many different scenarios, the
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  Speaker 6: lightly irrigated native landscape actually had the slowest rate of
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  Speaker 6: fire spread and it was very significant difference compared to
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  Speaker 6: the unmodified chaparral and also the thin chaparral. It was
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  Speaker 6: kind of just above the irrigated stuff. Is nobody ever
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  Speaker 6: actually tested this until we did this study, and it
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  Speaker 6: turns up you have existing chaparil's in it down to
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  Speaker 6: about fifty or sixty percent coverage. There is a significant
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  Speaker 6: consequence for slowing down the fire. And one of the
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: things we learned is that you know, when you have
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: vegetation that is lightly hydrated, now it acts as ember
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: catchers and ember coolers. And the fact that we have
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: some verticality here and there and different surface treatments through
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: different sized shrubs and groundcovers that actually helps break up
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: the flow of embers that would otherwise come straight in
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: and hit your house. In fact, we found that if
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: you clear the bare ground, thinking that you've removed all
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: the fuel and you're going to be safe, that's actually
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: a pretty dangerous situation because there's actually nothing to disturb
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: the flow of embers except your house.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Oh that's so true. So if you plant these shrubs
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: that you know, get a substantial size or whatever you're thinking, no,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: they're gonna light up. No, if they're well hydrated and
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: good plants, they'll actually catch the embers before they get
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: to your home, before they get to your roof or
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: anything like that, and can possibly say the house now
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: now with this the idea of hydration the way I
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: kind of explain it to people, because you know what,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: during Christmas, there's always the news article about the Christmas trees,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: right Greg about oh, you know this Christmas tree in
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: your house, it's it's a bomb. You know, you got
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: to watch out. It's gonna, you know, just light up
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: and your whole house is gonna come down with it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: And you know that is true to some extent when
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: it's January fifteenth and that Christmas tree has been in
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: your house for a month and it stopped absorbing water,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: and it's you know, you touch it in all the
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: needles fall off. But you know, December tenth, when you
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: put it in your home, if you take a lighter
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: to those needles, they don't instantly combust. It's well hydrated,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: it's saturated. It's not going to just light up. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: it's all about that hydration level in the plants. Hey, Greg,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have to take a break right now. When
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: we get back from the break, I want to go
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: back to this kind of like imber catching thing because
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I really like how you've always advocated for how to
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: water native plants and I want to get into that
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: because it's real easy.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: You bet.
• 19:30
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• 19:36
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• 19:38
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• 19:41
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• 19:44
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• 20:12
  Speaker 7: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio show with Brian
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: John and Tiger.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We got right back from that break, and again this
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is one of our longer segments, so plenty of time
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: for questions comments. Here on Garden America, Greg Rubin is
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: our guest, and we're discovering some things, debunking some things
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that perhaps we didn't think about before, or perhaps thought
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: about them in the wrong way.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Tiger. Yeah. And you know we've talked with Greg before
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: about you know, native plants and low water plants, aero escaping,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: and you know when we talk about irrigation hydrating, the
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: people always think, oh, man, you know, that's why I
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: don't want to plant. That's why I was hoping to
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: plant native plants was to not have to irrigate them,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: to not have to put in an irrigation system that
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: goes along with it. But Greg, I mean the system
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: that you've all always been an advocate for. It's the
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: most easy and almost no brainer system that you can
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: do for a native garden. And that's just the idea
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: of putting, you know, one of those maybe tall worldly
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: sprinklers or rainbird sprinklers out there on a pedestal and
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: just let it act like rain and fall onto the soil.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Don't be real precise with it, because you know, a
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: lot of the native shrubs and low water shrubs don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: like that dRIT system right at the base. You know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you don't have to get real elaborate with it. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: like we were saying, if you do it once a
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: week in the summer months and maybe once a month
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: in the cooler months, it's really easy. Right, Like this
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: is like a you don't have to have some elaborate
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: irrigation system installed for this garden.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Well, that's true. You know, everything we do that has
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: led to our success with native plants is about emulating
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: the natural ecology. Because by emulating the natural ecology, you're
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: putting place the conditions that allow these incredible natural processes
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: to take place. And so the closest thing to rainfall
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: we have is overhead sprinkling.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: Our favorite.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: Overhead system are actually mp rotators by Hunter in San Marcos, California,
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: and they provide the most efficiency the lowest volume application.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: It's just like a gentle rainstorm about point four inches
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: of equivalent precipitation an hour, and you could mount these
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: with ultraviolet rated PVC pipe right along the surface there.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: You don't have to bury them and put the modernisers
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: and basically set them up head to head so that
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: you get complete covers throughout planting, because you're not just
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: watering individual plants, you're actually watering a whole ecosystem and
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: you're promoting you know, natural soil biology that supports it,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: like microhis of fungi, which also happens to stabilize slopes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: So you're creating an ecosystem, you're creating a biome. But
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: it's not that difficult. And what you're getting for this
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: very light watering is a potentially fire resistant landscape that
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: you know, it's beautiful year round because we use a
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: lot of evergreen plants and has amazing habitat due so
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: it's full of birds and butterflies, smells grapes from the stages,
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: and you know, stabilize the slopes and you know, helps
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: protect against fire and it's borne out. You know, in
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: all the homes that we had involved in really severe fires.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: The caveat is, I can't guarantee that a home won't
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: burn in a firestorm right for reasons even having nothing
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: to do with a landscape, you know, but it's sure
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: create some real great defensible space and give us the
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: best chance of success while working with the native ecology
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: instead of stripping the hillside and think that's gonna save us.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I mean that's I think that's what people
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: are going to start to do this year, is you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: go and look at their homes, see a slope, see
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: an area where they're just gonna be like, oh, I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: just going to remove everything on it. That way the
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: fire can't get to my house.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And you know, usually it's embers in a lot of situations.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Right, That's what you know Greig mentioned, it's not if
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: you clear the shrubs. Now you're right that that that
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: hedge that's fully saturated with water, which would normally catch
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: that ember and put it out before it got to
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: your home. Now you've opened it up and now it
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: can get straight into you know, the eve of your house,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: or your wooden furniture kind of on your back patio
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: or you know, some people still still have those wood
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: slotted roofs, you know kind of a thing. And I
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: don't even know if those are legal anymore in California,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: but I don't think.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: There's a lot left.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, Greg, what about those people that want to plant
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: ice plants? What's your thoughts on that? Right up to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, you know. And one of the things
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I want to mention is that, you know, most of
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: our clients and along the wildland urban interface have properties
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: that are large enough to do all this treatment, you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: on individual basis. But when you have a situation like
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: the Palisades or Eating Canyon, you know, these homes are
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: so closely packed together. Not to mention that a lot
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: of them are old homes that were really built the
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: current fire standards. Okay, now it's a different situation, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: you want to be creating these green belts around the
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: whole community as your first line of defense. And a
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: lot of people would be suggesting ice plant, right sure,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: I mean that's that's kind of the natural go to.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: Well guess what you would need three to four times
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: the water to get ice plant to a point of
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: fire resistance similar to what we achieved with natives. But
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: it also burns, okay, And and your hot and hot
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: fig type ice plant, you know, develops a fatch underneath,
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: and boyd does that stuff burn. I have photos of
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: freeway fires of ice plant just burning away. So does
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: red apple. Red apple burns in nice kind of round circles,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: you know, And so it's far from ideal, not to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: mention that it is really craddy erosion control. In fact,
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: it kind of helps pull down these slopes and there's
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: no there's no microhis of fungi associated which helps stay
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: sabilize the soil particles. And it's a really horrible habitat
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: and it's just kind of boring and ugly. I mean,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: it's just, you know, you could do so much better
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: and promote our native habitat and ecology instead of destroying it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if you mentioned it. Sorry, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: was posting the link for people to be able to
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: see what the mp rotator sprinkler is. It's a link
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: that takes them right to the Hunter Irrigation website. But
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: also with the ice plant, you you have to water
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: it way more to keep it saturated because you're right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: otherwise it just dries out and then it all all
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the good benefits. So you know, it's funny that you
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: mentioned these kind of fire breaks in communities because they're
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: building a lot here in the central San Diego area,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Greg and you know a lot of these four or
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: five story complexes, and it's a neat process to see
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: them build it because you could see in the structure
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: themselves where they put fire brakes in the structures, you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: so meaning you know, there's certain walls that are designed
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: and if there's a fire in this apartment building and
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: it's on this side, that firewall is designed to stop
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: it from spreading through the whole whole building. So you're
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: thinking of this more on a community level, like let's
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: let's take our community and say, hey, you know, we
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: need to put some kind of barrier in case, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: this neighborhood starts to go. How is it that we
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: get it from spreading to this neighborhood and then this
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: neighborhood and so on and so on, and you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I mean urban planning and development you know, hopefully in
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: the future will start to you know, incorporate some of
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: those processes into the design, because you're right, I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: that's that is the biggest problem that happened up there
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: in la is that it was it just went through
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: so quick because there was no there was no check,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: there was no there was no effort to stop it. Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, if you do it this way with these
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: native green belts that are lightly irrigated, it's a win win, right,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: It looks beautiful, there's there's there. You have local character,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: local sense of identity, and then you get the fire
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: resistant benefits. You get birds and butterflies, and it's a
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: great transition from the say, unmodified chaparral to the community.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: And you sort of see this in a lot of communities,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: but typically it's stuff like ice plant or lantana, right,
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: and they just don't on the same amount of water,
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: they would not exhibit the same level of fire resistance
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: that the natives are. Takes so much less water to
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: hydrate them, and it would be so beautiful.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, and you know, the
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: beauty that you get behind it is also another aspect
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: of it that is, you know, not achievable with those Hey, Greg,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: in about a minute, we're going to take another break.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But I'd like to give our listeners actually some plants
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because you know, like you said, you've done a lot
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: of research in this, You've worked with a lot of
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: organizations establishing you know, what are some of these processes about,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: you know, making your landscape. But let's start giving our
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: listeners an opportunity to actually write down some of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: varieties that maybe you recommend. You know, you talked about
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: some of the things like screening some of the embers.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: What are some shrubs that you would recommend to actually
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: get to that height and achieve that goal. But we're
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: going to take a break right now. We get back,
• 30:18
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• 30:20
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• 30:28
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• 30:30
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• 31:16
  Speaker 7: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio show with Brian,
• 31:19
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• 31:21
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• 31:23
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• 31:30
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• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to Greg. Been talking about firefire prevention, debunking some things
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and you know, how to keep yourself safe and you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: know ice plant probably not the answer, among other things.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Greg, you know you let's start off a
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: little bit farther from the house, so you know, you
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: want to plant some kind of shrubs that's maybe gonna,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: you know, catch those embers coming through the air to
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: prevent them from getting to your actual home. What are
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: some things that you would recommend? What are some plant varieties?
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you right off the bat what I
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: wouldn't recommend. Palm trees.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, if you see these videos, they are absolutely the
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: worst fire carries, the worst actors and spreading these embers
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: home to home in a.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Fairly compact or fairly tidy space community, they are terrible.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: I get rid of those things. I'm sorry they think
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: think San Diego is a tropical paradise. It is not.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: It is a Mediterranean climate and they don't belong here,
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: and they are absolutely have always been the worst actors.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: So that's what I don't recommend.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: And real quick, I want to hit that because you
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to give a visual for people.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: And it's that classic scene of that Washington palm with
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: all that dry brush, all those dry fronds hanging.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Down right that nobody cuts back.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Then nobody cuts back and it's you know, fifty sixty
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: feet in the air and the whole thing is on fire.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Here's a good example, Tiger you can identify with this,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and Greg in the college area of months ago when
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that fire strata there by the canyon. Yeah, and if
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you drive by there right now off Montezuma, Yeah, it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: all palm trees. It's all palm trees. They're burnt, they're scorched.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And that that piggybacks upon what you're you're you're talking about, Greg.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: But they just think they catch that in the order.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: The worst aspect is that they're not dead right exactly
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: beautifully pruned. They grow and burn down your house again.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so so yeah, so those are the palms that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: you're you're mentioning, you know, and they and and because
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: they're so high and they catch those embers when they
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: release those embers. Now those embers are now fifty sixty
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: feet up in the air when they get released, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: now they can go another quarter mile or whatever away
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: from that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Point and you can still smell it to this day
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: when you drive by scorched.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, so no palms, What what do you recommend?
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, So here's what I recommend. So you know, first,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: you know, if you're beyond even the green belt, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: want to be spinning, not removing, not over thinning, spinning
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: about any native chaparral remove the non natives. You basically
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: you chip up any limbs that you you remove, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: definitely the dead branch you put it right back down
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: on the ground to act as a mulch to help
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: discourage weeds from coming up. After you've opened it up.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Then you hit your planted green belt. The first line
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: of divine of defense is almost like like a windbreak,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: and you would put in taller natives, so I'll try
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: to list them here. Catalina cherries is a good one. Also,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: thickamores and cottonwood, even though they're not evergreen. I've seen
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: houses saved by those trees. And also oak trees are
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: wonderful in this situation. Oak trees are as long as
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: they're not don't have a lot of weeds underneath them
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: that can act as a fire ladder. Oak trees can
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: be incredibly fire resilient. Okay, you'll get singed in that,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: but then the leaves come right that. So all these
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: kind of around the perimeter. You don't do this mass
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: planting as heads you wanted to, you know, keep it
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: down to three or less groups of three or less.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: But then you can create overlapping coverage by going downslope
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: and putting another one to three trees that kind of
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: overlaps when you look straight out, but in fact they're
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: separated by you know, twenty feet or whatever.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so not just a line, but some different levels, right.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: I mean it looks better from a design standpoint anyway.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: But it also you're not creating a lot of You're
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: not creating this toy Soldier effect with you know, a
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: lot of biomass all clumped together. You're kind of breaking
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: it up. Same thing with large shrubs too, kind of
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: down from there, stuff like toy on or lemonade berry
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: and screws of one in three and separate by maybe
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: twenty thirty feet, and it has a beautiful natural look
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: to it. And then finally you unify the whole thing
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: with ground covers. And one of the best is backris
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: or tidibrush Pigeon Point. Pigeon Point is a selection from
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: kind of central coast that grows about foot tall by
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: nine to twelve feet across. It's bright, evergreen, and it
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: is one of the best slope stabilizers I've ever worked.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: There's also groundcover forms of wild Lilac or cinopis one
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: of the most common is Yankee point. It can get
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: eight to ten to twelve feet across easily, and it's
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: about two feet tall blue flowers. And there's also really
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: great forms of man anita that are low growing, oh
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: archistaplus and Arca staplus, Franciscana where or Franciscan mandanita. There's
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: also beautiful colorful one called John Dorley, and there's just
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: a whole myriad of other groundcover forms of manzanita. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: this creates this beautiful evergreen landscape with foliar color and contrasts.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: They take a little bit of supplemental irrigation very well.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: But I also want to make a point that fire
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: resistance is much less about particular plant selection and much
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: more about maintaining light hydration. So some of the worst
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: fire bombs, like even Buckheaton sages, benefit the most from
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: that supplemental water.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Now, are there anything in that Cno, This manzanita backer
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: is grouping plants that you don't recommend, Like you see
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of acacia, you know in our in our landscapes,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: and you know people will plant them like as a
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: supplement of one of those. Is there anything that you
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: don't recommend people do for for that level of planting.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, for one thing, akasha actually have a real
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: nasty zing to them, and you see a lot of
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: this Akasha redolins along the freeways. From that that gray
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: one that's about three foot tall. Not one of my
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: favorite plants. I certainly don't recommend the ice plants, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: I probably would be you know, one of the problems
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: you see in these homes when people plant like junipers.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, so true. Hey, Greg, we're gonna have
• 38:45
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• 38:47
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• 38:51
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• 39:05
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• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I've been talking about fires this morning and native plants
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and the best way to surround your home with what
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you should be growing, not what somebody else told you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: to grow. Ice plants not a good idea. Learning a
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: lot this morning, Tiger. As we come back with Greg.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And before the break we were talking with Greg
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and he was mentioning some of those level of plantings
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: that maybe you don't recommend, and you hit one that
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I think still exist in some people's landscapes, kind of
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: an older generation of plant. But the juniper, right, the
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: trailing juniper. A lot of people will plant slopes and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: hillsides with that. It's an evergreen, you know, But at
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: the same time, it's very tough to stay hydrated. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: even when it is hydrated, there's a lot of dry
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: brush underneath it, right.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Greg, Yes, and you see it, you see yeah, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: you can see that also with Cyprus. You know, you
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: get in there and it's just so much dead, you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: old leaves and stuff that have accumulated in there. So
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: you know, people like to plant like a tying cypress
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: right around the house too, and I just they're just
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: not the best actors. And one home of a couple
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: of dozen we had that got some scorching on it
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: was not from the natives planted all around. It was
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: from the junipers around the top. So in pine trees too,
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: you want to back those off. You don't want those
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: within maybe twenty feet of the home. You you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: they have a lot of resin in them, and they
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: can be quite volatile. Interestingly, one of the ones that
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: I've found to be volatile is European bay laurel.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Oh. Really, I let my.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: Tree on fire because my barbecue was close. I never
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: had a hose nearby, but it was pretty scary.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: So, and that's so funny because I feel like bay
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: laurels to me seem like they're a very well hydrated plant.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: They always seem very lush, you know, and.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Some Mediterranean plants, yeah kind of think I think it
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: would be, but I.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Can tell you the place smelled great. That is a
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: lot of oil, just a lot of oil in there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or like or like when a seal via hillside
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: goes up, you know it's like, wow, it's smelling nice
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: out here. We all got a good cleansing, a good smudge.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: What about rosemary now that we're in that area, is
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: because a kind of things that smell, But a lot
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: of people use rosemary as the groundcover.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Have you had an experience? Sorry, no, no, no.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: If I could tell you my experience with groundcover rosemary
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: is very interesting because I actually provide a real contrast
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: between native plants and rosemary's on a hillside. And that
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: was that we had during the Witch Creek fire. We
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: had a client up in Ramona Hills whose slope was
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: basically covered in groundcovered rosemary. But there also been some
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: flat top buckweek that had just naturally seeded in there,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: and the slope was being watered about twice a month. Okay,
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: and here comes the fire. Afterwards the rosemary is nothing
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: but a black smudge, and the buckleaps all had green
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: leaves on them.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: So clearly it wasn't enough supplemental irrigation to hydrate the rosemary.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: You probably need about once or twice a week to
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: really make it a viable fire resistant ground cover, whereas
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: on fourteen days the buck weeps are still covered, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: not densely, but there was still green leaves all over it,
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: and they you know, they did find So that was
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: kind of an interesting side by side comparison based on irrigation.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Well, you probably see this too with some of the
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: areas that you've worked with clients in the recovery as well.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Like you know, like you just said, if they want
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: rosemary again, they're going to have to plant rosemary again
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: to get it to be in that area, where like
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: you said, with the buckwheat with se and know this,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: you know, manzanita coyote bush oaks, you know, they will
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: get burned, they won't look good, but they actually can
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: come back from that fire sometimes, right, I mean, isn't
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: that just so fascinating that it killed one plant completely
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: it will not come back. But yet in the same
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: area there are plants and they were damaged, but they
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: will come back. And so when you talk about replanting,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you know, all you have to do is wait. It's
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: pretty fascinating.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: Yes, And actually I had another property in Ramona during
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: the Witch Creek fire, where the client had a giant
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: wooden deck at the back. I we didn't build that,
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: but that's what they had. And we had the hillside
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: covered in a very simi fashion with ground covers from
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: a couple of trees at the base. And the plants
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: were sinned, but they all survived and came back rather rapidly,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: and it didn't generate enough heat to burn this huge
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: wooden deck, and so you know, you've got that catching
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: and cooling phenomenon. And I just want to mention the
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: sidelight people aren't looking at the aerodynamics of what's going
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: on these sloes. I used to be an aerospace engineer.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: I'm a pilot, and one thing that's really missing from
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: this is a real understanding of the aerodynamics one hundred
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: miles an hour winds coming over mountains and impinging straight
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: down on communities and how the how the least you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: plantings in that really break up those sloes and create
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: what we call turbulence and uh, you know, start to
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: scatter the embers instead of having this stream as thick
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: as the firefalls and semity going sideways and seventy to
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: one hundred miles an hour and just just lasting your home. Yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: I mean hell Saints look like Hiroshima.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it went through. There's so quick.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: As you mentioned, I believe what I was looking at.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Tiger. We have some questions. Yeah, let's get your listeners.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: In Lenora and Canyon Country, Greg wants to know if
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: what about crate myrtle and red buds. Is there anything
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: really bad about them or anything good? Or are they
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: right in the middle.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: You know, they're not bad. You know, with any of those,
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: you don't have a lot of biomass, right, and it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: all about hydration, right, so you know, if you're watering
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: and red buds and crate myrtles actually have pretty similar
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: water requirements. Red buds actually kind of ten to grow along,
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: just set back from streams and stuff. And so if
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: you're watering them, again, I can't guarantee your household and burn,
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: but if you're watering them, you know about once a
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: week on established plants, that's usually pretty good. And yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: I I you know, I wouldn't go out of my
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: way to remove the crpe.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Myrtle, Okay. And then Carla in Huntington Beach wants to
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: know if there are some selvias that would be beneficial.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: So again, salvias and buckwheats can actually really benefit the
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: most in this light irrigation. So what we often do
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: is we'll put groundcover stages. There's a bunch of them
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: out there. These Bliss is one, not one of the
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: stars choice, there's jade carpet, and then we might occasionally
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: use something like a Cleveland sage hybrid like pos O
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: blue that has a lot of purple in it too,
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: which can take water and just dot those in here
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: and there, widely separated for color, fragrance and birds and butterflies.
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: But yes, there are lots of sages that end up
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: in these gardens and they've done fine.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And then Lila and Powie wants to know about lavender.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: Well, lavender. Lavender's one of the few non natives that
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: will kind of plug into these landscapes. But it can
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: really burn because it's really heavy on the oil. You
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: probably need to be watering lavender a couple of times
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: a week, which is almost as upper limit to at
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: least in part some fire resistance. But then again, if
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: it's a you know, little groups here and there dotted
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: along the edge of the landscape and it's getting watered
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: with the rest of them. You're probably fine.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I hit all the questions.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: We got one more. Oh that's from John and Fallbrook
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and it has nothing to do with the top. It's
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: just a plant, a native that I'm fascinated with, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling I can't grow it. But since
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Greg's the expert, I'm just going to ask him. I'm
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: fascinated with California pa and ees. Is it possible to
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: grow those? Should I just enjoy them on my nature walks?
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Or or if it is possible, where could I get one?
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: They're fascinatingly difficult. They actually are a very community oriented plant.
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: You see it growing in the understory of chaparral and
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: especially associated with oh preees and especially associated with angelman oaks.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: There are a lot of a lot of symbiosa's going
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: on there.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Hey, Greg, we got We're got to take a quick break.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Hold that trade of thought here for our friends on
• 49:49
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• 50:01
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• 50:03
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• 50:48
  Speaker 9: Why was that thinking about the sidiosas aspect of it?
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Hey, hey Greg, lots lots of great information shared,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: you know on today's program about you know, planting a's
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: what did think about fire prevention maintenance down the road?
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: How can people reach out to you if they want
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: more information?
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah? Thank you? So, I think the the one the
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: method that we keep the most up to date is
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: our company Facebook page, and so you just search for
• 51:25
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• 51:30
  Speaker 6: Landscape Design, and we keep up very current information, current
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: projects we're working on, lots of pictures, a loutch of
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: anecdotes there. We also have a website that is being
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: completely redone now, so it's kind of what's up there
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: is kind of old, but that is www dot cal
• 51:53
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• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Com perfect and I'll share that for our viewers and
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: listeners right now. Onto the social media and you know,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: what would you say, I mean, if people were interested
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: in getting more information, I mean, are you going all
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the way down for for you know, and not necessarily visit,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: but like, you know, do you do you think that
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: you could help people, like all the way down through
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: to the border out to East County San Diego up
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: into the Orange County. Where where's your work area?
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's so I if I if we're doing installations,
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: we're generally in San Diego County, more coastal than desert.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: But I'll do consultations, you know, far in excess of that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: You know, I've done them all the way up in
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: northern California. I do a lot of presentations. I have
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: a pretty good fly show that I uh keep updating.
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: Even my first book, The California Native Landscape, there's a
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: whole chapter devoted to just fire and these fire escapes perfect.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Greg. Lots of good information. If
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: you continue to ask questions, we'll try to get them
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: to Greg, get answers for you. Hopefully we can answer
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: them for you. Have a great rest of the week
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: in Greg, and good luck with everything. Talk to you
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: again soon.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: All right, Okay, so there you go.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: We did get some questions on roses.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw what about roses? John fire roses?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the questions is can they work in
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a native landscape? And there are native California roses, right,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Rosa Californica. You gave me one for Christmas a few
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, and I have that growing on a hillside
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and it's not quite as drought tolerant as rows of Minuteifolia,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: which grows in the really dry areas in native down
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: from San Diego to Baja. But those are the types
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: of roses you would have to have if you had
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: a native landscape, only because the roses need a little
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: more water. Yeah, right, so if you've got a dry area,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to work roses into that.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. But I mean they compliment a native
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: landscape really well. And even the ones that you work
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: with a lot, like the single blossom, the single petal roses,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: they they they almost look like they could be part
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: of the native California native landscape plants, because that's what
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of the native one look like. You know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: the watering is one issue, but I mean, I don't know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I kind of feel the plant itself compliments all the
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: all the design aspects that you you are trying to
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: achieve when you're doing a native landscape too.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Some people say that anyone's quality of life is enhanced
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: by putting roses around your home. People, you know she
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: likes roses, she.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Does, but they're all around her home. What is your
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: favorite rose? Hydrangea?
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Everything she likes say in an Italian rose called Tempemoderny,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: which is I've never heard of that. It's Italian for
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: modern times. And then it's a bicolor rose, really bright.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: It's one you would like, I think, because it's bright
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: oranges and reds and a little bit of yellows in there.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: It just kind of lights up the landscape. Then she
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: has another one that's her favorite. The name escapes me
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: at the moment, but it's one of key series hybrids
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: that's kind of a magenta color. She likes the magenta
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: color and roses.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: She must like sunrises and sunsets.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Then she loved that whole musical, did she? Yeah, Fiddler
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: on the Roof. So you're referring to yea or were
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: you referring to the rose called sunrise sunset?
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Tequila sunrise?
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Is tequila sunrise? Is that a miniature?
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Or is that not? No?
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's a flora bund flora, bunder or shrub.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: You know, one of the things now that we're on
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: the subject of roses.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Which I know you hate, but okay, John, try to
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: hang in there a lot.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: You know, we were talking prior to the show about
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: about today's generation not relating to past generations because they
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: have a whole different mindset. And one of the things
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: that I don't think we teach our younger generation is
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: history and a lot of and I'm fascinated by history
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: as it relates to roses, and a lot of times
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I will come in contact with a rose and learn
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: history just because of the name of the.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Rose, because of what what surrounds the history of the
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: rose was well, or.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: The actual name, actual name, like I just there's a
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Alistair Clark was Australia's most famous rose breeder. He was
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: in the twenties and thirties, nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties up
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: to the forties. He had a lot of roses named
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: after race horses because he liked the races, sure, but
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: a lot named after women and Desconso Gardens. Had a
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: collection of his climbers and there's one somebody brought me
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: some cuttings about two months ago. So I have some
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: of these growing now, and there's one called Amy Johnson.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: And do you have any idea who Amy Johnson is?
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Sounds like the girl next door.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Well, she was an early av a trix and in
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: nineteen I think it was around nineteen thirty, she made
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the first flight solo flight from from England to Australia,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: from London to Australia, which I found fascinating. But even
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: more fascinating was it seems like all those those aviatrixes died.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Oh no, and she.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Wasn't a safe profession back in the day.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's true.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: It was overshadowed by you know who at the time.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Well, Amelia Earhart. Yeah, and I think I saw some
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: pictures of the two of them together.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: But she, you know, Amelia Earhart was lost. No one
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: ever knew what happened to her, right, uh. But she
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: went made from Australia back to England. Amy Johnson we're
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: talking about, but was shut down in the English Channel
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: friendly fire, you know from people who were I think
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: this was during the early part of the war.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: That's a fascinating story.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: And she wasn't killed, but ended up in the English Channel.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I think she drowned there, so.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: You know you really Tiger. This is just tearing him apart.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: But without me.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Story, you would have never even heard that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I never would have heard of Amy Johnson without that
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: knowing about that rose.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: So who was the was it Alistair?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Who's the guy that you justster Clark?
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, you said something kind of interesting to me, And
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get this because this would be a
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: fun game to play racehorse a rose, And it's almost
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: like was the rose named this first? And then they
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: made the racehorses name after the rose? Or was it
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: a racehorse and then they chose it because there's some
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: weird racehorse names, right, it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 10: Was the racehorse first, then the rows Okay, and those
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: horses are usually the person who owns the horse. There's
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: something very personal about that name and the reason why
• 59:18
  Speaker 10: they give it, Like like let's say you like gambling,
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: gambler's choice coming going to outside the final fur long
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: is gambler's choice.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, So with that in mind, we're going to take
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: a break. Hey, not open phones, we don't do that anymore.
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• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: that this has been stimulating for you so far.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Linda U pin Retting was mentioning that in her area,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: digger pines go up like Roman candles in a fire.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Digger pines. Do you know what that is? I don't
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: know what that is.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's pinus species.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Things species digger right, Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: It seems like something you'd say about anything.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: It is species is just answer. Yeah, No, one's going
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: to challenge you on that. Yeah, well, I mean down
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: here we have black pines, what aleppo pine? I mean
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: obviously we talked about tory pine, but but you.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: Haven't mentioned porcupine.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: We don't have them here.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: We don't so we did.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but and you know, to what Greg was talking
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: about a lot of times, the biggest issue is they
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: get so much dead growth in the plant itself that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: you know, that's what goes up, and that's what collects
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: the embers. But if you lace it out, if you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: keep it thin, hopefully it won't gather that growth.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: You know, he talked about palm tree. If you know
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: what really bugs me about palm tree. I mean I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: do like them. I mean, not for the fire thing,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: but yeah, they had a nice tropical look. If you're
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: driving around town then you see this, Yeah, and those
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: dead fronds are hanging and they look terrible. Oh, I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: mean it just like, come on rats, Yeah, fire hazard,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: every reason to take care of those, but you see it,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: they're just left alone.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: You know, this probably isn't fair since Greg's not here
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: to defend himself, But I'm wondering if that generalization might
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: be too broad to mention palm tree. Yeah, because I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: mean there's hundreds and hundreds of varieties of palms. Yeah,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: and the one that.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Kentia isn't going to have that problem.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Right, And there's dwarf palms, and and there's site kids
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: and things that that I think personally think they add
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: to our landscape.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: And Washingtonias that have the skirt are the bad ones,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: but aren't.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: They native Washington. I think Mexico, like you know what
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're closely native.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I know Washingtonia robust are native to Mexico, right,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: so Washingtonia philippa is isn't that the one that's native
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: to the Palm Springs area?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: But I thought that that would be good to research that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It may not be native, but I do know that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: there are, you know, some canyons and palm springs.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: There's what Tiger's saying is if the the border was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: a little further south than they would be native.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: No, that is a big That is a big lot
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: of people. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But but you know you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: right because also, I mean, and if we go to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: the other side, like I just mentioned King palms, Kentia palms,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: those self cleaning you know, they're they're there, they don't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: do they don't have the same problem as you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: the the Washingtonia palms or the Canariensis that develop that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: skirt of just dry brush and all of that, right,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: you know, And like you said, dwarf palms also that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: don't even get tall enough to kind of create that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: problem out there, and you know they do add to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: our landscape here and there. Yeah, yeah, I mean you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: see those Washingtonians growing cracks in sidewalks.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's probably the biggest sweet on my
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: God, what they said. We don't need no stinking water.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: You know. You know it's funny because I am so
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: fascinated by plant reproduction, by seedlings. You know, like I've
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: talked about this before, Like why is it that we
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: don't see avocados just growing everywhere in fall Brook? You know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: like there's thousands on their own? Yeah, there's there are
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: the there's thousands of acres of horchard up there. Why
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: have we not just seen them develop and grow naturally
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: throughout Fallbrook? That is one plant that at the base
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: of it, those seedlings will come up so quick and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: so many of them wherever they are. It is, it is,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: it has no problem reproducing. It's we are in it's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: perfect climate for.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: So are you saying I shouldn't plant those five on
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: my hill?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Exactly.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of excited. Tiger was out to my house
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: last week. By the way, if you're in the San
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Diego area, do.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: You want to drop by John's house?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: How do you get there?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: No, I was going to say, if you need any
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: landscape consultation or any work done. You know. Uh was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: it eco gardener?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Is that what they can make?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: You've expanded, Yeah, exactly up into Fallbrook.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: You know right with that you merged. I guess you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: took over. It's what you did, ye over a company.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Tiger was thinking, John is such a pain in the neck.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: All the way up and fall to put a company.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I've got to put a company up there. Yeah, I'm
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: excited because he came up and he's going to as
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: soon as he works in the schedule. I guess start
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: on putting the formal rose beds in the back and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: on that hillside in the back of the house. I've
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: got I forget if I told you five or six
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: avocados that I want to put in, so I originally
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: thought of putting other things on the hill, but you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: we use a lot of avocados.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: What kind of avocados are you always got those super
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: cool ones? You remember he listed he brought Did you
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: bring him in one time? I think when you had
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: when you got them online, I might have might have
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: such cool varieties.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: The one that was the I'm interested in because I've
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: never seen one is Marcus Pumpkin and I think that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: might be more of a West Indian type avocado, which
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: are going to be the most tender for for our area.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: The Guatemalans are also tender, those are like the has,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: but not as tender as a West Indian, and the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Mexican varieties are the hardiest. So if you're in an
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: area that just gets some frost, you know, want to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: use us a lot popping up here real quick?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Then I will answer, because Greg text me regarding our
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: palm discussion, and he wrote, Philip Philippa, the one you mentioned,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: does not do well near the coast, so it's mostly
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: robust as what we see kind of where we live
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: and the Canary Island date poems. So he was just saying,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and Philip Philippa is native. He did say
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: that yet, Okay.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: So stop, you're both right exactly all right? Yeah, And
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I was pretty sure that's what he was referring to.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: But all right, scroll back up.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: What do we got, John?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's see how horrible grape pine? Poor Amy Johnson? Okay,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: John in Newport Beach says he's got daffodils and paper
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: whites already blooming. They should be blooming now, right, Yeah,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: so that's not unusual. And he says one of the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: paper whites is amazingly he says, startlingly fragrant with eight small,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: multi pedaled flowers on the stalk. How do I how
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: do identify and propagate? I'm not sure what he means
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: by multi pedal? Does he mean double flowering? So if
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: it's a double I don't think there are double flowering
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: paper whites, are there? There's double flowering narcissis like a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: soleal door one. So it depends on the color. But
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: if it's white, extremely fragrant. We've talked before about how
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: there's different varieties of paper whites.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: I like how he says they're startling.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really Yeah, if it's startling in a good sense,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: you really like it, it's probably a variety called galilee.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't mean you get stired.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: It's bad. It's probably a variety called sea. And and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: the reason all those bad.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: How do I propagate? They just you just dig them
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: up and divide.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Them, Well, you divide them after their the leaves die down, Yeah,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: because the the need to go through that full side
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: on any of those bulbs, you know, after they bloom,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: they have to replenish the bulb, and they do that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: by photosynthesizing through the leaves. The leaves build the bulb
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: back up, and then the leaves turn brown and die.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Once that happens, the plants storming, you can dig it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: up and you can move the bulbs around.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: So so it it completely dies the foliage and goes,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: you know, down to the ground. Can you do it
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: almost like right after that or do you have to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: wait another month or so? Right after that? That means
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: that's that's telling you it's gone through its whole cycle.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't like ball beliefs because
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: they're kind of messy laying their green. A tip would
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: be to just take a piece of tie tape and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: tie them together so that there it looks neaterter, but
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: you know they're still going to be able to grow
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: and and replenish the ball.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: There's Kevin asked a question for me, what genus species
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: of plants have the most varieties pines, palms. I don't know, well,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: most varieties with genus species. That's a tough question because
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff out there that falls under
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of the same genus, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: And then they get branched off, and John always says,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: the only reason why the the the Botanists still exists
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: is to just completely keep changing names of plants.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: That's why they get bored, because they they got all
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: their work.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: They've done all their work, they've done all the work,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: and they're like, ah, this this one has another leaflet
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: over here, so we're gonna now completely change it into
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: another category. And this one I just know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Tachonomous, and this one has a red tip at the end.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Never noticed that before. We're gonna change it. We're gonna
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: take a break right now. One more segment after this.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: That's how fast this show has gone. And they will
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• 1:10:24
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  Speaker 4: The passage.
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  Speaker 5: Ladies and Gentleman toys and girls.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's it, Well, not yet, we've made it to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the final segment.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Another seven minutes or so eight minutes until we have
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: to say our goodbyes for this week.
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  Speaker 5: So here we go.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: What are we doing?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: What's going on?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: This is interesting. I didn't know this, maybe you guys did.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: But Tanya in San Jose says that last summer she
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: visited the Western Antique Automobile and Aeroplane Museum in Hood River, Oregon.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: Well that sounds fun.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of this?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: But I love the content.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: But she said they had one of those continuous running
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: films about historic women in flight. Oh cool, So I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: bet aing me Johnson's in there.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what a story you know in and I
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: mean male or female, who just whoever you are back
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: when they were pioneers of something. It fascinates me because
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: because I mean, can you imagine, like you know nowadays,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: if I don't have cell service, I feel adventurous, you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like I'm living on the edge.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: I cannot get a hold of someone right now, and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I'm living dangerously. You're over the middle of the ocean,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: your your devices that are telling you direction.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: Or sometimes they rudimentary at times.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: You know, you have zero contact with anyone else and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: you're out there all alone, like for for such a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: long period of time.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: You know, you just amazing mentioned pioneers and people trying
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: things for the first time, whether it's an invention, whether
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: it's trying a food. There was a guy, I believe
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he's a Frenchman and he was developing the first parachute
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: and I think.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: He was scary.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Well I think he would throw things off weighted, which yeah, okay.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: So then he says, you know what I'm gonna do,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I'm want to jump off the Eiffel Tower with my parachute.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't for him when he went down.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Like like bricks man.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: And they've got like old footage, you know, real kind
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: of rainy old footage of him.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: But that's what he's gonna do. I'm gonna prove this
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: parachute work.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: And it didn't like the bulletproof vests, like I'm gonna
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: improve this works.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Shoot me, I mean really, And that's how you get
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: to where we are in a lot of cases.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I don't think I want to be
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: the first one to try anything.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: And someone is that like the first crash test stummy
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: that came after.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: That, probably, but yeah, you're right.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: There's there's videos of them back in the day trying
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: out football helmets and he smashed their heads against these
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: walls and you know, probably back when it was.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: Leather and not even close so much protection. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: and they're like.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Leonora wants to know how long she can or how
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: long we need to keep the daffodil leaves after flyowering.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: That's what we were saying, forever until they turn brown,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: completely brown, and then you can claim ut Like.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: You said forever in a day, didn't you.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, they have to completely fall to the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: ground and you know, no vertical element of it whatsoever,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: and then you'll be good to go.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Kevin wants to know what genus our species of plants
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: has varieties? Does he mean family? If he means family
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: of plants, I think it's orchids.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we've talked about that before. Orchids do have
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: the most.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, we got another one here. Tanya wants to
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  Speaker 3: know can I hard prune her sweet olive tiger That
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  Speaker 3: would be osmanthus.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She said it used to be shaded by the neighbors
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  Speaker 3: trees and they're gone, so now she's got these long branches.
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  Speaker 4: That are I means on the end. Okay, I was
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  Speaker 4: going to say sometimes the hard prune causes those long branches, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think she's talking about there they've lost
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  Speaker 3: their leaves down below and just leaves at the end,
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  Speaker 3: you can hard pruna. This would be my recommendation, Tiger,
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  Speaker 3: tell me if you agree. But the safest way to
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  Speaker 3: prune it would be a third at a time. I
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  Speaker 3: would prune back a third and you can pick out
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  Speaker 3: the branches you want just to reduce the size, and
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  Speaker 3: wait until those leaves have sprouted on the stems, on
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  Speaker 3: the bare stems. Then you can go back and cut
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  Speaker 3: back another third. So after three prunings, eventually you've reduced that.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds very safe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the reason I mentioned that.
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  Speaker 4: But what's the time frame you're going to say to
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  Speaker 4: space out those prunings.
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  Speaker 3: Well until the new leaves have come out on the ones.
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  Speaker 3: But that's going to take It could take could take
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: Even, Yeah, exactly. You know, so it's not a lot
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  Speaker 4: more growth or right, it's not a not necessarily That's
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  Speaker 4: the thing. You know. What I was talking about right
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  Speaker 4: now is that some people think, oh, prune will save
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  Speaker 4: me from pruning more in the future, and sometimes a
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  Speaker 4: hard prune creates a bigger problem.
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  Speaker 3: Where because it encourages fast growth.
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  Speaker 4: Fast grow.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of that of trees, are you ever up in
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  Speaker 2: Scripts Ranch area in my area that were by right
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  Speaker 2: by Scripts Ranch High School.
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  Speaker 4: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's these trees that they've.
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  Speaker 4: Stumped, they've topped.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I can't even I don't even think
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  Speaker 2: pruning is the right word.
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  Speaker 4: They are dead.
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  Speaker 2: They've got the little bits of starting to But what
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  Speaker 2: is that? Why did they do such talk about a
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  Speaker 2: hard prune? Yeah, I mean they just look like huge stumps,
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  Speaker 2: is what. They look so ugly?
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  Speaker 5: What's up with that?
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  Speaker 4: You know? I mean they do that to try to
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  Speaker 4: cut back, like John saying, it's a radical amount of
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  Speaker 4: growth to prevent it. But they don't realize it's it's
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  Speaker 4: creating the problem. And where if you cut back a third,
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  Speaker 4: wait another year or two, cut back another third and
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  Speaker 4: I thought they were.
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  Speaker 2: Dead, but they're not. They just went and they just
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  Speaker 2: trimmed everything away.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And once they do that, the tree is I
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  Speaker 4: would argue, it's not correctable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a picture. Yeah, Okay, we got a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes, John, go ahead, two minutes, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Veronica wants to know if red sage is okay to
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  Speaker 3: keep as the groundcover. I don't know what red sage
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: is do you no, Maybe that's something Greg knows red sage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: let's see. Carla wants to know what's the process of
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  Speaker 3: redonating a rose to the auction redonating? Yeah, sorry, I
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  Speaker 3: bought this.
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  Speaker 5: Wait a minute, like I think I thought you said
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  Speaker 5: last year there was I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to call it like a good will auction,
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  Speaker 2: but people that want to redonate. Now we're going to
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  Speaker 2: auction off used roses. Isn't that what you said last year?
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  Speaker 2: So Carly might be in luck.
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  Speaker 3: Well, all Carla has to do is send me a
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  Speaker 3: note of what she's going to have and then bring
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  Speaker 3: it to the auction and we'll put it up for bidding.
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  Speaker 3: Our next auction, by the way, is uh in person.
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  Speaker 3: It's in October. We have an online auction only in
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: uh May, first first week and May.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, we're gonna wrap things up here. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 5: this clock.
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  Speaker 3: I got a lot of other things to talk about.
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  Speaker 5: We'll bring it next week, all right. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to Greg Rubin. Thank you for the incredible information.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your debunking, thank you for teaching us
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