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Monday Mini: Dr. TikTok · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephone
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  Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and welcome to another Monday Mini. And for today's
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  Speaker 2: Monday Mini, we're gonna play What's Samantha's Diagnosis with y'all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a moment right now because I just told
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  Speaker 2: Annie I'm smelling something very floral. I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out why because I'm in my little cubby and honestly,
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  Speaker 2: this foreign smells almost like a perfume. So I'm like
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  Speaker 2: freaking out. I'm like, am I having a stroke. I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. And if you see me doing things,
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  Speaker 2: please let me know. This might be an odd episode anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I say all this kiddingly, but I
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  Speaker 2: mean I'm not gonna lie when I say I might
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  Speaker 2: go look on TikTok. I might go look on TikTok. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: as much as I love TikTok, there's so many things
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  Speaker 2: that TikTok. I've told me that I'm starting to get
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  Speaker 2: really concerned about a lot of things. And as in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I've also learned about conditions that I didn't know existed,
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  Speaker 2: and feeling like, maybe that's part of my problem because
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like there's something off all the time,
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  Speaker 2: and when I say something off, I see like something's
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  Speaker 2: imbalanced in my body. And it could be that I'm
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  Speaker 2: going through perimenopause, which we're going to talk about in
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  Speaker 2: a later date, because I'm like, what is that and
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  Speaker 2: have I entered that? And what does that look like?
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  Speaker 2: As well as maybe it's something that I've always been
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  Speaker 2: going through that didn't I did not realize was normal.
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  Speaker 2: When I talk to people, I'm like, oh, that's not normal.
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  Speaker 2: I found out that people Asian people have a gene
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  Speaker 2: that makes their ear wax different from other people. I
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  Speaker 2: was like what, And then I started asking around like
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  Speaker 2: is this the type of earwax you have? And they're
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  Speaker 2: like yes, And I was like what.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you asked around the.
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  Speaker 2: Vale like white people tell me what this is?
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  Speaker 1: You ask me. I know you asked multiple I.
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  Speaker 2: Ask multiple people, but like this is all because of TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: These are things that I'm like, huh, I did not
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  Speaker 2: know this. Again, like I said, because I'm watching these
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  Speaker 2: things and these things are popping up on my for
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  Speaker 2: you page. IM sorry to become a little concerned with
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  Speaker 2: all the similarities I've seemed to be having with all
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  Speaker 2: of these mental and medical health things that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what what's going on? And with that, I began to
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  Speaker 2: wonder if others were feeling and noticing this too.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, there are article after article with similar questions,
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  Speaker 2: and even one's concerned on how it's affecting the youth today.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say we're going to go back and
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  Speaker 2: forth a bit on this for a minute, because it
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  Speaker 2: also it's one of those moments of like, we need
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  Speaker 2: things like this to be taken seriously. There are two
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  Speaker 2: different perspectives obviously with this one. It's a good thing
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  Speaker 2: because it brings awareness to mental health and physical health
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  Speaker 2: for those who've been gas lit by the medical filled u.
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  Speaker 2: You can see why women you can see our episodes
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  Speaker 2: about why women are not believed by the medical professionals,
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  Speaker 2: and even our episode on women with autism and ADHD
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  Speaker 2: and how misdiagnosed that is for women specifically, and for
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  Speaker 2: those in the black community specifically, like for those in
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  Speaker 2: the marginalized community, how often this is misdiagnosed or not
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  Speaker 2: diagnosed at all, or just disregarded altogether. And the information
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  Speaker 2: on how to be taken seriously by their doctors has
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  Speaker 2: been validating and even life saving, to the point that yes,
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  Speaker 2: I know doctors are really really, really really really upset
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  Speaker 2: with WebMD and getting more so with TikTok because people
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  Speaker 2: are like, I saw this on TikTok, I googled this
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  Speaker 2: on WebMD, and yes, I think that TikTok has become
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  Speaker 2: the new web MD, which many have talked about recently.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a Reddit post about it, like it's just
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  Speaker 2: a new WebMD and people complaining about it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of true, but we talked about before. Any How,
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  Speaker 2: TikTok has become one of the best or the bigger
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  Speaker 2: search engines for people today, Like instead of going to Google,
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  Speaker 2: They're going to TikTok. And I wonder if that's partially
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  Speaker 2: because not only did Google get bought out essentially by
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  Speaker 2: people who wanted their content to be at the top,
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  Speaker 2: or who can do this and who has the more money, companies,
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  Speaker 2: big corporate companies coming in and for a while TikTok
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  Speaker 2: was not like that. It has drastically changed. Please see
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  Speaker 2: previous episodes with Bridget about consumer stuff as well as
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  Speaker 2: influencer stuff and who's getting bought out. We could talk
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  Speaker 2: about this genocide that is currently occurring and influencers who
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  Speaker 2: are being bought out by pro specific sides. I guess
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  Speaker 2: you can say, you know, like they've been called out.
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  Speaker 2: They've talked about big lobbyists going after politicians to try
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  Speaker 2: to run against other politicians that they did not like
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  Speaker 2: their agenda. We've known that's happened with NRA, but they're
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  Speaker 2: actually using TikTok and social media influences like that and
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  Speaker 2: buying people out like that. So we know that TikTok
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  Speaker 2: has changed, unfortunately from what it was originally, when you
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  Speaker 2: could get more probably genuine I guess posts, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: people talking about their own experiences with whatever diagnosis they
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  Speaker 2: may have or whatever physical element they may have, and
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  Speaker 2: being able to understand what it is and for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people figuring out, oh, that's what's been happening
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  Speaker 2: with me. POTS POTS postals tachycardia syndrome, and I hope
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  Speaker 2: I said that right. Which is POTS, which has like
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  Speaker 2: dizziness or lightheadedness, fainting or almost fainting, noticeable heartbeats or
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  Speaker 2: heart palpitations, chest pains, shortness of breath, the chicken and sweating.
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  Speaker 2: Those are some of the symptoms. I'm wondering if I
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  Speaker 2: need to question my doctor about that, because I definitely
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  Speaker 2: have fainted, not a lot, because I've seen people with
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  Speaker 2: severe pots who faint constantly, like they have to have
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  Speaker 2: a service dog because this dog can feel it. But
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those are like, yeah, I do that,
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  Speaker 2: that's not normal. Not everybody does that. I thought we
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  Speaker 2: all did that, So there's like different questions. So things
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  Speaker 2: like that can be really, really and life saving. In
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  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty two Time article titled for some Women
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  Speaker 2: with ADHD, TikTok is the first place they felt heard.
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  Speaker 2: So they talk about how TikTok has been amazing for them,
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  Speaker 2: for the women who have figured this out, And here's
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  Speaker 2: a quote from a woman who discovered her diagnosis after
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  Speaker 2: researching and finding videos on TikTok. For many women who
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  Speaker 2: see these videos in their feed, it's the first time
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  Speaker 2: they've learned about some of the symptoms of ADHD beyond
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  Speaker 2: the most widely known hyperactive and trouble focusing quote. As
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  Speaker 2: an overachieving child who got good grades, ADHD was never
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  Speaker 2: on my radar. Lace told Time in an email, I
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  Speaker 2: was shocked to discover through TikTok that my experiences were
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  Speaker 2: consistent with ADHD. And she's not the only one. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about this before, so many like her finally had
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  Speaker 2: terms and definitions for things that she was doing. They
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  Speaker 2: were on a clinical level, such as masking or even
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  Speaker 2: being misdiagnosed, concluding that women were quiet due to being
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  Speaker 2: shy or even less intelligent us seeing that they were
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  Speaker 2: being inattentive due to ADHD and was incorrectly diagnosed or
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  Speaker 2: was told that's not a diagnosis of ADHD, which again
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about it previously. We've had guess Kate, who
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  Speaker 2: was amazing talking about her eye diagnosis of ADHD and
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  Speaker 2: what that looks like for women and why it's so
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  Speaker 2: hard even today. But the message is spreading, and social
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  Speaker 2: media has been a big part of that. TikTok specifically
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  Speaker 2: has been a huge part of that. There's also the
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  Speaker 2: awareness that helps destigmatize a mental health diagnosis. More people
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  Speaker 2: are able to talk about their experiences and talk about
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  Speaker 2: what they did and even how they were finally able
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  Speaker 2: to get people to listen to them, which helped others
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  Speaker 2: along the way. There were several articles about how it's
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  Speaker 2: destigmatizing mental health for men and helping men get help
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  Speaker 2: or realizing that they need help and what that help
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  Speaker 2: can do for them. So those are some amazing things
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  Speaker 2: that have occurred on TikTok specifically. But in an article
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  Speaker 2: written about teenagers and TikTok from CNN, they talk about
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  Speaker 2: the good and the bad, and some parents phyllis it
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  Speaker 2: has helped them with their teens. And here's a quote
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  Speaker 2: from that. Julie Fulter from Raleigh, North Carolina, said she
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  Speaker 2: began following ADHD influencers who were able to better explain behaviors, impulsivities,
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  Speaker 2: and how the condition is related to executive functioning so
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  Speaker 2: she can help her daughter navigate her diagnosis. Meanwhile, another
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  Speaker 2: person from upstate New York, phils mixed about her daughter
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  Speaker 2: using social media for reasons related to her autism diagnosis.
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  Speaker 2: She's doing a lot of self discovery right now in
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  Speaker 2: so many areas, and social media is a big part
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  Speaker 2: of that, she said. I know social media gets a
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  Speaker 2: bad rap, but in her case, it's hard to tell.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes if the pros outweigh the cons and it goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Many adults appear to credit social media with helping them
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  Speaker 2: identify lifelong mental health struggles. One person, a thirty five
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  Speaker 2: year old professional photographer, says she sought guidance from a
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  Speaker 2: professional after seeing videos pop up on her TikTok for
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  Speaker 2: you page about adhd Okay, this for you page really
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  Speaker 2: has me thinking. And I've made this statement and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not trying to be ablest or any of that. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not making enlightenment in them, but I'm like, maybe I
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  Speaker 2: am on the spectrum because at this point in time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a rough time with these types of cognitive functioning,
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  Speaker 2: social functioning, and I'm like, what is this? But let's
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  Speaker 2: be very honest. When it comes down to coming out
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  Speaker 2: of the pandemic, getting older, getting tired, things change, and
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  Speaker 2: not that I couldn't be on the spectrum. I could
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  Speaker 2: get that diagnosis. But the more you hear things, the
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  Speaker 2: more you start kind of convincing yourself, yes that's me,
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  Speaker 2: which for some is very helpful. For others, it could
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  Speaker 2: go down like a dangerous route. Again, like I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm smelling things, what is happening? That's why it
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  Speaker 2: seemed to be okay, Annie, would you agree?
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  Speaker 1: I would, But you know, I'm keeping an eye out
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  Speaker 1: I'm keeping this.
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  Speaker 2: Please keep an eye out. But again that same article
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  Speaker 2: about teenagers, they talk about how there's the ups and downs,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems with even more risk with the self diagnosing.
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  Speaker 2: So from that article, it says a growing number of
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  Speaker 2: teens are turning to social media such as Instagram and
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  Speaker 2: TikTok for guidance, resources, and support for their mental health
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  Speaker 2: to find conditions that they think match their own, a
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  Speaker 2: trend that has alarmed parents, therapists, school counselors. According to
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  Speaker 2: interviews with CNN, some teens start to follow creators who
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  Speaker 2: discuss their own mental health conditions, symptoms, and treatments. Others
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  Speaker 2: have come across posts with symptom checklists to help decide
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  Speaker 2: if they meet the criteria for a diagnosis, and it continues. However,
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  Speaker 2: many parents and experts expressed concerns over how self diagnosing
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  Speaker 2: and mislabeling could exacerbate teens behaviors, make them feel isolated,
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  Speaker 2: and be counterproductive in giving them the help they need.
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  Speaker 2: In a worst case scenario, teens could set themselves on
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  Speaker 2: a path to receiving medication for condition they do not have,
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  Speaker 2: and once teens search for this mental health content, the
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  Speaker 2: algorithms may keep surfacing similar videos and posts. Some parents
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  Speaker 2: and therapists have found that once teens decide they have
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  Speaker 2: a condition, it can be hard to convince them otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: Again and in the article there's some theories as to
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  Speaker 2: why this is growing bigger for teens. It says some
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  Speaker 2: experts believe teens may be overidentifying with a specific label
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  Speaker 2: or diagnosis, even if it is not a fully accurate
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  Speaker 2: representation of their struggles, because a diagnosis can be a
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  Speaker 2: shield or justification of behavior in social situations. Quote. With
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  Speaker 2: the amounting pressure that young people face to be socially competitive,
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  Speaker 2: those teens with more significant in secure cities may feel
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  Speaker 2: that they will never measure up, said a psychologist in
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  Speaker 2: New York. She goes on a team may rely on
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  Speaker 2: diagnosis to lower other expectations of their abilities. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: this might be a boomer take, and I say this
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  Speaker 2: nicely to all the boomers, but that idea of like
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  Speaker 2: I in my days, we never had these things, and
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  Speaker 2: so dismissing people with those diagnosts because as a person,
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  Speaker 2: just just a random person being out here in the world,
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  Speaker 2: as well as working in the social work world and
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  Speaker 2: with mental health, everyone has something like I think it
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  Speaker 2: would be incorrect to say that there is normalcy like
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  Speaker 2: some There is a diagnosis for everyone, whether it is
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  Speaker 2: by social pressure or whether it's by mental health, biology, environment,
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  Speaker 2: any of those things do come on. We know PTSD
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  Speaker 2: is a big thing, and especially a lot of us
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  Speaker 2: feeling that pressure just from the pandemic from recession. All
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  Speaker 2: of these things have a name. There's a level of
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  Speaker 2: anxiety that everybody is going through. There's a level of
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  Speaker 2: depression that most people have gone through, especially during the holidays,
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  Speaker 2: like it's there. And for teenagers who also watched social
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  Speaker 2: media on a constant or on social media on a constant,
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  Speaker 2: like that level is pretty high. So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: it would be disrespectful to dismiss teens in general saying
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  Speaker 2: you've been looking at too or anybody you've been looking
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  Speaker 2: at too much social media, because that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: problem to begin with. You know, when we go up
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  Speaker 2: one step back, three steps type of conversations, mental health
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  Speaker 2: could be a part of that as well. And that
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  Speaker 2: too much diagnosis. We had that with the when medications
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  Speaker 2: were finally coming out and people started talking about needing medication,
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  Speaker 2: that being too medicated, And I think that's a true story.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen that where kids being diagnosed with the simplest things,
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  Speaker 2: or being forced to be diagnosed with the simplest things
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  Speaker 2: so they could sedate kids, which I thought was horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Like I saw kids on ADHD medication because they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: go to sleep. I was like, what is happening? Why
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  Speaker 2: are we putting them on a prescribed medication for that?
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  Speaker 2: So there's definitely this level that I've seen. But when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to social media, there is this back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: It's like how much is too much? Is this too
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  Speaker 2: much information given to kids who are smart enough to
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  Speaker 2: know the system and work the system, And I say,
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  Speaker 2: what system? I'm one of those people I can manipulate
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  Speaker 2: into a diagnosis. I've done it as someone who's like,
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  Speaker 2: but I also did it because I knew that there
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  Speaker 2: was something wrong and people were not listening to me,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew the links that you had to go
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  Speaker 2: to to get those medications. So there's this level of like,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not everybody's like what it is this balance
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  Speaker 2: because of the system that's been created. You have social
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  Speaker 2: media coming in here to let me help you, and
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  Speaker 2: that has fed into the TikTok algorithm. Which is making
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  Speaker 2: TikTok money, lots and lots of money. That's also what
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  Speaker 2: a reminder is also those who are the disingenuous, bad
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  Speaker 2: players who have found that kind of It's been around
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  Speaker 2: with snake oil salesmen. They have found a new platform
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  Speaker 2: and it has worked. So if you can build trust
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  Speaker 2: and saying I know this is what you're going through
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  Speaker 2: because I'm going through this and this has helped me,
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  Speaker 2: they can sell stuff. Don't get me wrong, I think
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  Speaker 2: TikTok has done a great job, especially the followers and
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  Speaker 2: the individuals and people in there where they call that
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  Speaker 2: out when they find it out. It's beautiful to see.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to go down in flames. But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, if you're feeding misinformation to people
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  Speaker 2: to make a profit and could be hurting those individuals, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you go down in flames, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: all of these things are happening, But this type of
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  Speaker 2: rise of teenagers diagnoses in themselves has come as in
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  Speaker 2: fact they all there was also a trend I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know about this because I guess I'm not as cool
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  Speaker 2: as I thought impossible called undiagnosed, where they the kids
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  Speaker 2: who have been diagnosed, would make jokes about how they
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  Speaker 2: were cured now, and they even use those who had
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  Speaker 2: eating disorders, like a one girl joked, I have eight
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  Speaker 2: a mil I'm cured type of conversation. And it is
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  Speaker 2: not because they're being disrespectful. They're trying to make a joke,
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  Speaker 2: as we have often done for ourselves about their own condition,
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  Speaker 2: trying to joke through it essentially, But it kind of
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  Speaker 2: has fed into this like misinformation to other teens where
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  Speaker 2: it can lead to a bad, harmful pattern where they
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  Speaker 2: backtrack and say I can solve this myself. Now that's
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  Speaker 2: not always the case. Again, a lot of them are
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  Speaker 2: doing this in like a tongue in cheek way, but
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  Speaker 2: it's coming off as m this actually may be a
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  Speaker 2: bad trend for other teens. Again, there's also those who
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  Speaker 2: actually think TikTok has trivialized they're actual diagnosis. So there
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  Speaker 2: was a writer who has been diagnosed with autism who
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  Speaker 2: talks about that specifically of like, okay, everybody's joking now
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  Speaker 2: that because they don't like loud sounds, that's autism, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And that's the spectrum, and not that it can't be
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  Speaker 2: once again, but to put it lightly in making a
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  Speaker 2: joke very ablest, but trying to accept it at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, because you see on TikTok is kind of
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  Speaker 2: that balance of like, okay, but how much have we
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  Speaker 2: put into this content that is now trivializing those who
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  Speaker 2: have struggled all of their lives with that diagnosed, so
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  Speaker 2: with actually being diagnosed and may have this like be
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  Speaker 2: on the further spectrum of autism. We're not going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about CIA in any way, but if you kind
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  Speaker 2: of look at what she did with that and how
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  Speaker 2: she did both of those things, not only did she
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  Speaker 2: almost made it like graphically over the top where it
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  Speaker 2: was all the caricatures of people who have autism or
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  Speaker 2: who are on the spectrum, to trivializing it, to make
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  Speaker 2: it excuses for others. It's kind of just like, but
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  Speaker 2: is this partly because social media is also led into
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  Speaker 2: that as well? And yes, I have been on autism,
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  Speaker 2: uh the spectrum TikTok and they you know, and adhd
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  Speaker 2: TikTok and the overlapping is I mean like over the top.
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  Speaker 2: And then this whole conversation about being neurodivergent versus uh neurotypical,
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  Speaker 2: which again came to my conversation of like, but there's
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  Speaker 2: no such thing as really anybody being neurotypical if we
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  Speaker 2: really look down into what society has kind of created
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  Speaker 2: in itself, whether it's the anxiety or the push or
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the depression like and PTSD in itself and the trauma
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: in itself, Like, it's kind of like, does that actually exist?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, So that term, the over blanketing term,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: is an interesting term to me. Again, I know I'm
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: not I'm not saying I'm a professional in any realist way,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: but just seeing what it is if we come to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: realization that the norm is actually being neurodivergent it seems,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: but the spectrum does change, and then the respect that
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: we get if those terms are really important. And Yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of the articles that I've seen that we've
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: talked about talk about that terminology is really really really important,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: mainly because it does differentiate from a true diagnosis versus
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a false diagnosis. I guess one of the things they
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: talk about is high functioning. That is not a clinical term,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: which is also why that's kind of been banned. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: we talk about the spectrum in itself. Yeah, again, I'm
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a big reminder people make money off this content. They
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: can make tons of money just by having a certain
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: amount of views and accruing a lot of followers. Again,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: there's some amazing content creators who do good things. There's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of bad players as well. So what are
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: some things that we can do to lessen this issue?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I guess I could just get off TikTok. I don't know.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I really like the dog videos and right now following
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Neil the Seal Elephant seal down in Australia, have you
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: seen anything about Neil the Seal, you know.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: And not on TikTok, but I yes, yeah. Isn't it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: interesting when you're like, how do you find things? Do
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you find things? It's been fantastic. That's just one creator.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think it goes by J. C. J.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: A y Cee, and I think he works with like
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the government to try to keep Neil safe. But he's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just like Neil. Those people need to go to work,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: get off their lawn. Like it's just fantastic content. Fantastic content, okay,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: but some other ways to look at it outside of
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: just getting off of TikTok. And this came from the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: University of Colorado's medical school. They said, look at credentials,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: who is giving advice or posting what's their background? And
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I know people can put whatever they want because there's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: been several call outs for people who said their doctors
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: are in the medical field that it turns out they're not.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: But actually trying to see if you can research deep
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: enough like you, Usually those who are in the profession
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: will show you credentials because they realize how important that is.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: So look for that, look at the data being presented.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Are they throwing a lot of words together again, like
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: high functioning and all these things like you've got to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: talk about where this is coming from, look for resources,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: ask them for resources. And then following that up realizing
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: there's no such thing as quick fixes. Saw content about
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: someone saying this is the over the counter adderall drug
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: y'all be careful, just just be careful. And they even
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: talked about how to fix or recalculate you for you page.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: So if you're following some content creators that are specialized
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to that, if you unfollow them sometimes that'll help. For me.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I don't follow those content creators, but I still get it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: There is a way, and I think you just need
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a Google or actually you can look it up in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: TikTok to completely wipe off your for you algorithm and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: it starts over again. So there is a way to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: do that. But I've discovered as so as my partner,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: just as talking about something, that stuff will pop up. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Like it's not that we will look at it. We
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: don't look it up anything, it's just that we're talking
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: about it. So that tells you we know we're being watched.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not even that I'm not even that cool, stop
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: watching me. But there's ways to do that. You can
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: also go through and report and say you're not interested,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because I've done that oftentimes, so you can get off
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of those types of contents. But yeah, there's this whole
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: back and forth about how well this is going for
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: our society. I'm calling this doctor TikTok because again, like WebMD,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I start falling in that rhythm of like, maybe this
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is what's wrong with me, But at the same time
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it may not be inaccurate, and it does validate how
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I feel. I still think I'm not a goaleptic. Thanks TikTok.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Also a listeners some listeners have written into.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like all the listeners like these are
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the diagnoses we'd give you. You may want to go
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: see a doctor, and I'm like, you're right, you're right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you're right. And that's just the reminder that if these
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: things are in question, it's okay to ask. Don't act
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: on it, don't try to self medicate, don't do all
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: these things. Don't make it your excuse necessarily. But trying
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to get a diagnosis going to a doctor saying these
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: are the following things, maybe not say I got this
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: off a TikTok. I have a feeling that I roll
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: will be. They'll probably know anyway, they'll probably know anyway,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: but in general, just like, these are the things I'm
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: concerned with. These are the things I didn't know was normal.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Can you help me it was not normal? Rather in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: your physical health, like being dissy and passing out.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's it. I again, like you kept
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: saying throughout this, I feel like that's the balance of it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Because pre TikTok, I've had multiple people in my life
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: come up to me and say, like the episode you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: did about women and autism change my life because we
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: don't talk about it because it has been historically ignored
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or misdiagnosed, and so it's both. It's like, it is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: good that we're talking about it more and we're seeing
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: more things, and people are like, oh, okay, maybe it's that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's that I know when somebody I think it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was you told me like having the at the back
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of my neck, I have a very strange thing about
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that with shirts and hair, and it is like, oh okay,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: so that's not like completely normal thing. But it is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: also yes, you I mean I could I always joke
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: web md is like a horoscope. I could read it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and be like, I probably have this and it could
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: be nothing close to what I have. Like, so it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is like a it's good, it's bringing awareness, but it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is important to know where it's coming from and to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: do further research, uh before your you self medicate or
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: self diagnosed. So yeah, it's just both.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: You know, well when you said that the horoscoping thing,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: actually there was one article that talked about the horoscope effect. Really, yes,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: what is called people read symptoms online or hear someone
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: discuss their experience and feel connected to it so much
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: so that they both now believe they may have the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: same diagnosis. The bowl proclamations as of like predicting it
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: or something along the lines. But yeah, apparently that is
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a whole theory within psychologists when it comes to predicting
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: or the disorder they used TikTok.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of times we all
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: do it. But there are some symptoms that are just
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: common amongst a lot of things, right, And for me,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: one of them is my heart beats really fast. Not
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all the time, but sometimes it's fast. Yeah, and that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: is just a symptom amongst all so many things. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it could just be and I fingers cross suspected is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I'm anxious? But if I go on to WebMD, it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like Jesus this you.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Have a block and you're not which would do good. Yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: but we can't negate that because women more women died
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: than men every year of a heart attack or heart
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: related uh fatalities. So part of this is like being
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: told we're being paranoid, but at the same time it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: actually true because no one listens and what which part
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: do we listen to? And it should be better safe
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: than sorry, But we as women have been so shamed
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: yeah to be healthy, that we're we are afraid to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: go to doctors half the time.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it costs money and it takes time, so
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it's like really unfortunate.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Some people's healthcare is really bad.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is. But yeah, so I think it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like more complicated than saying like one side is bad.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's it's more nuanced than that, right, Yes, Well,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: thank you for bringing this to Samantha. Believe we're going
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to talk about episode coming up about why you were
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: thinking about this, but our our calendars and flux, so
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I think this is going to be ahead of this,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: but yes, we'll talk about why.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Why you were thinking about this? Yes, all right. Well,
• 27:10
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