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Rachel Chats With A REAL LIFE Sugar Baby: True Confessions of A Sugar Baby | With Special Appearance By Tim Storey · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. Today we have
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  Speaker 1: a super exciting episode. We are joined by my producer, Kelly. Hi, Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, hello.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I wanted everyone to meet you. And I
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  Speaker 1: wanted you to come on to talk about my most
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  Speaker 1: exciting experience. I'm just kidding. But our episode today is
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  Speaker 1: to talk about something that everyone wants to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: but no one wants to admit that they want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. And it's the situation of the sugar baby,
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  Speaker 1: sugar daddy lifestyle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And at one point I worked for the company Seeking Arrangement.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that situation?
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  Speaker 3: I remember that. And I want to know all about it.
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  Speaker 3: I have so many questions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me talk about for one second how I
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  Speaker 1: got to work for that company. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a crazy story. So I was
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  Speaker 1: actually flying to Chicago and I met this random woman
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  Speaker 1: who was, I'm not going to really get into that,
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  Speaker 1: but she was I didn't know her. She had just
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  Speaker 1: lost her mother. And I was very nice to her
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  Speaker 1: on the flight. We became somewhat friendly. And we got
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  Speaker 1: into talking about relationships and the fact that we had
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  Speaker 1: not met a man. She was a little bit older.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm 48. At the time, I was probably 46.
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  Speaker 1: And she was talking to me about online dating. And
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  Speaker 1: she said, have you ever been on seekingarrangement.com? And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I had not. She explained what the site was. And
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  Speaker 1: she actually did not use the word sugar baby, sugar daddy.
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  Speaker 1: She just said it's a site where you can type
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  Speaker 1: in all these things that you want. And it's men
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  Speaker 1: that are well off. And it's not, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not like dating men who live with their parents or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. And she said that she had had
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  Speaker 1: a couple relationships on the site that had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: been successful. And she said that I should join the site.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, long story short, she helped me create an
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  Speaker 1: account when I came back to Florida. We became friends, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: And I started to see what the site was. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: it is a taboo site. When you turn, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you log onto the site, it's very interesting. It
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  Speaker 1: is a site that is based on a sugar baby,
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  Speaker 1: sugar daddy concept, which means, um, you know, what everybody
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  Speaker 1: finds a little bit taboo, which is you get to
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  Speaker 1: sort of, um, ask for things that you wouldn't normally
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  Speaker 1: get to in an online dating profile. So there's Match
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  Speaker 1: and Tinder and Hinge and all these ones that I
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  Speaker 1: haven't been on. I've been on Match and a couple
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  Speaker 1: other ones. And those you put in your picture, have
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  Speaker 1: you ever been online dating?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have done all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, well, any online dating profile you can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: create and have a bad story or.
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  Speaker 5: A good story.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing for seekingarrangement.com as well. But
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  Speaker 1: on this one, I found it to be interesting because
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  Speaker 1: you could put in anything that you wanted. You could
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  Speaker 1: put in not only whether or not you want them
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  Speaker 1: to be successful, but you could put in what kind
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  Speaker 1: of a relationship you wanted. And I found that to
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  Speaker 1: be refreshing. I could say, if I wanted, I said
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  Speaker 1: that I was a single mother and I was only
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  Speaker 1: available a certain amount of time. I could say exactly
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  Speaker 1: what I wanted, like I was picking from a menu.
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  Speaker 1: And at this age, I'm not 25 anymore. I know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I want. And I found that to be Really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right up my alley. And on the other
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  Speaker 1: dating sites, I couldn't. So this became something that I
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  Speaker 1: found very interesting. And what is interesting about the site
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  Speaker 1: is that there's 40 million users on the site. I
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  Speaker 1: actually just looked up the stats right before we got online.
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  Speaker 1: But no one wants to talk about being on it
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  Speaker 1: because it's like too embarrassing because people get it really
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  Speaker 1: confused with being an escort site because they say that
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  Speaker 1: it's in exchange for money, which I can... Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to attest to the fact that it's not,
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  Speaker 1: but there are obviously people that go around the edges
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  Speaker 1: and do bad things on any kind of site, right?
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  Speaker 1: But for the most part, that is really, and even
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  Speaker 1: working there, I can say that was not the premise
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  Speaker 1: of the site. Really, the whole premise was that you
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  Speaker 1: get to ask for what you want and get what
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  Speaker 1: you want. And that really is what I felt the
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  Speaker 1: concept was of the site. So anyways, long story short,
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  Speaker 1: I started to meet some guys. I went on some
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  Speaker 1: dates and I started dating men from the site. This
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  Speaker 1: woman ended up getting jealous and long story short, called
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and outed me, gave my profile to
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and I was outed. And when the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail wrote the article, I gave my quote, which was,
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  Speaker 1: why are you trying to shame me? This is a
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  Speaker 1: dating site like any other. I know that I want
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  Speaker 1: to date a successful guy. I don't want to date
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  Speaker 1: some loser in the corner that lives in a basement
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  Speaker 1: with his mother. And, you know, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: be shamed for this. Like, what's the problem? And the
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  Speaker 1: CEO liked what I had to say so much. He
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  Speaker 1: offered me a job as her spokesman, paid me $ 20, 000
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  Speaker 1: a month for a contract for long-term contract. And there
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  Speaker 1: we go. I made, you know, lemonade out of dirty
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  Speaker 1: lemons and that was that. So that's how I got
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  Speaker 1: working for Seeking Arrangement. And that was a whole, um,
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  Speaker 1: thing right there. But anyways, I wanted to have on
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  Speaker 1: a guest who could talk about what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: be a sugar baby and the difference between, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what people get confused about being an escort or being
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  Speaker 1: a sugar baby. And there are different sites that you
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  Speaker 1: can go on, not just sugardaddy.com or Seeking Arrangement or
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  Speaker 1: all these sites. But even someone like you versus, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to be 25 can go on these
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  Speaker 1: sites and find a match. You know, I still believe,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no longer working for the company, but
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  Speaker 1: I do believe it's fair to, you know, go on
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  Speaker 1: a site and ask for what you want. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on it?
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  Speaker 3: I totally agree with that. It's like cutting through the BS.
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  Speaker 6: Like, well, I'm 45.
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  Speaker 3: So, and I know what I want and what I
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  Speaker 3: don't want because I didn't have the time to give
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  Speaker 3: them in a relationship. I was like you, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I've got my kids. I've got this much time to
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  Speaker 3: give to a relationship. I too don't want to date
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  Speaker 3: someone who makes $ 7 an hour and lives in their
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  Speaker 3: parents' basement or something like that because I've got enough
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  Speaker 3: kids to support. I don't need another one.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that people are very judgmental about it
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  Speaker 1: and I think that they should be educated about it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I really enjoyed talking to our next guest.
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  Speaker 1: So we did change her name so that she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: outed in this situation, because I do think that we
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  Speaker 1: can protect who she is. When I did this interview
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  Speaker 1: with Christina, I had a really great support system with me.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend with me, Tim Story, who is
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  Speaker 1: a motivational speaker and a life coach, who I wanted
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  Speaker 1: his opinion on it because not only as a man,
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  Speaker 1: but somebody who I don't think supports this lifestyle, but
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  Speaker 1: I wanted him to hear her out and then have
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  Speaker 1: some thoughts on it at the end. So he sat
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  Speaker 1: with us during this interview and you'll get to hear
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  Speaker 1: his thoughts on it as well. So without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear this interview, which I'm so excited for you
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  Speaker 1: all to hear.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So up next, I'm so excited to welcome Christina. She
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  Speaker 1: is coming on today to talk about sugar baby and
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  Speaker 1: sugar daddy relationships. She and I have known each other
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  Speaker 1: for the last couple months. And this topic has been
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  Speaker 1: something that is taboo for a lot of people. But first,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to start by going way back and
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  Speaker 1: talking about your childhood and how you got into this.
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  Speaker 1: And so first, I want to talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: where you're from and the beginning of time for you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm glad that we were introduced because I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: here with you today, which is a great honor. So
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  Speaker 2: thank you guys for inviting me. So where did it
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  Speaker 2: all start? It definitely started from my childhood. My mom
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  Speaker 2: and I and my father and my brother lived in Atlanta, Georgia. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at that time, my mom wasn't happy. She
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to live in Atlanta. She wanted to live
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  Speaker 2: the California dream and live in a luxury lifestyle in
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  Speaker 2: a wealthy neighborhood. You know, even though we were supposedly
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  Speaker 2: going to live above our means, she wanted that for us.
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  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 6: for it?
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  Speaker 7: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 7: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 6: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 6: Where?
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  Speaker 7: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 6: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lyft? Please.
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  Speaker 6: You're going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: Done Deal Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Because she knew that that was safety for my brother
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  Speaker 2: and I. And so we, when I was 10 years old,
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  Speaker 2: we moved to California. During the dot-com boom, my dad
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  Speaker 2: sort of won out a little bit enough for us
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  Speaker 2: to live in a very wealthy neighborhood. And were we
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  Speaker 2: the richest family on the block?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But we definitely, we lived the life of that town
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  Speaker 2: in the East Bay. And I noticed that my mom
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  Speaker 2: had given us a better life by financially living above
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  Speaker 2: our means. So at that point, that's when I realized
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  Speaker 2: finance equals money, safety, and health. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And what was the relationship like between your parents?
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  Speaker 2: My dad and my mom got divorced when they moved
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  Speaker 2: to California. She actually ended up significantly getting more money
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  Speaker 2: than my father during the dot-com boom. However, my father
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  Speaker 2: was able to move out and move into his own apartment.
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  Speaker 2: And even though my mom had full custody of me,
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  Speaker 2: I chose to live.
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  Speaker 1: With my father.
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  Speaker 2: And I stood up in court and I said, I
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  Speaker 2: want to live with him because I wanted to learn
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  Speaker 2: about his infidelity and I knew that there was some
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  Speaker 2: good to that. There was something that he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe my mom wasn't in the right the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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  Speaker 2: And so by moving in with him, I understood the lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: And so my dad was, for lack of a better term,
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  Speaker 2: a sugar daddy. I mean, he dated girls that were
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  Speaker 2: half his age. Most of them were from out of
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  Speaker 2: country that he would like, you know, move into his
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  Speaker 2: house with me. But I ultimately knew that my dad
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  Speaker 2: was a shipper daddy.
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  Speaker 1: And how old were you when you were seeing all this?
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  Speaker 2: 13.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And to this day, I still think he is the
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  Speaker 2: coolest person ever after that. Because those women were the
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  Speaker 2: smartest women. They were so emotionally intelligent. Actually, they had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the qualities that I knew of my mother.
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  Speaker 2: They had a lot of the emotional intelligence, the caretaker qualities.
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  Speaker 2: the opinionated. These girls weren't, you know, the ones that
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  Speaker 2: he chose to be long-term women. I mean, he had
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  Speaker 2: the short term. I saw them come and go in
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  Speaker 2: hours and never come back again. But the ones that
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  Speaker 2: really stuck around were really, really interesting women that reminded
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  Speaker 2: me of my mom.
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  Speaker 1: And when did you have your very first boyfriend?
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  Speaker 2: So my first boyfriend was when I was 18. After
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  Speaker 2: high school, I wasn't really a scholarly type. which is
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  Speaker 2: why I went to fashion school. And during fashion school,
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  Speaker 2: I found a minor league baseball player, which he was
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  Speaker 2: a nice guy. He was the nicest guy. He was
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  Speaker 2: a great looking guy. He was perfect on paper, hits
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  Speaker 2: all the marks. The one thing he never had was money.
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  Speaker 2: And so I knew I can't, I'll never be happy.
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  Speaker 2: Because I realized my love language is gift giving. And
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  Speaker 2: I wanted somebody like my father who lived lavishly, who,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: That was what I knew.
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  Speaker 2: But more so, that's, you know, I saw from my
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  Speaker 2: mom just the way that life had changed.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, I love this. Your love language was gift giving.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning that you needed somebody to be giving you gifts
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  Speaker 1: or giving you something.
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  Speaker 2: In order for me, my entire life, in order for me, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people are going to say, well, this is because...
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  Speaker 2: this is some trauma that you've had from your father.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so what?
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  Speaker 2: So do you. I want to know what your love
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  Speaker 2: language is. And I can trace that back to what
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  Speaker 2: your dad did to you.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to do that?
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately, yes, my love language is gift giving. And
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  Speaker 2: I've known that my whole life. And so in order
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  Speaker 2: for me to feel fully happy and successful in a relationship,
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  Speaker 2: I need to Have that aspect of it.
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  Speaker 1: So moving on to your next boyfriend, then who was it?
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  Speaker 2: On my 21st birthday, I met a very famous guy.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what show he was a part of,
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  Speaker 2: but he.
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  Speaker 1: Was very, very famous. And where are you living at
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  Speaker 1: the time? Just so we get a picture. Still in
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  Speaker 1: the Bay Area.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But he would fly me to Vegas pretty much every weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And we were together for... A good year and a half.
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  Speaker 2: That was a long-term one for me.
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  Speaker 1: And what did he do for a living?
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  Speaker 2: He's a TV show host of a very, very famous
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  Speaker 2: TV show. And I had a taste of that lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was able to pay for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of my bills. Whenever I hung out with him, we
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  Speaker 2: went to like the finest Michelin-starred restaurants. His car was
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  Speaker 2: a black Matt Lambo. It felt like more aligned with
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted long-term.
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  Speaker 1: Now, did you feel... Any sense of love from this
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  Speaker 1: man as well?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We had an amazing emotional connection. Actually, I just
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  Speaker 2: talked to him like two nights ago. So you'll hear
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  Speaker 2: again and again as we talk that the men that
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  Speaker 2: were long-term for me have stayed in my life unless
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  Speaker 2: they broke it in some horrific way where I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to talk.
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  Speaker 1: To them anymore and they're blocked.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately... him and I are on good terms. And
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  Speaker 2: at that time, we were boyfriend and girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: We were exclusive. Now, tell me how you actually got into,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those are sort of young relationships.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when I was 19. So that's much
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  Speaker 2: younger than I am now. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So and you can chalk that up to you were young,
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  Speaker 1: you were, you know, sort of replacing your, you know,
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  Speaker 1: father figure for these men. So now talk to me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more how you got into the sugar baby,
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  Speaker 1: sugar daddy relationships.
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  Speaker 2: So after, after that, when I was dating that, um, actor,
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  Speaker 2: I decided to move to LA cause I'm like, that
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  Speaker 2: was the promise land, the land of like, of everything
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  Speaker 2: that glamorous and perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And mostly I, as I was.
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  Speaker 2: Driving here, even today, I was thinking, why did I
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  Speaker 2: choose LA because of LA or did I choose LA
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  Speaker 2: because of the men? And I think I chose LA
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  Speaker 2: because of the men.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And you weren't coming here for a job or anything
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  Speaker 1: else in particular?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: I did move here.
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  Speaker 2: I was working on Rodeo Drive in retail and living
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood. And I was making a retail salary. And
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  Speaker 2: it was cool because I went to fashion school and
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  Speaker 2: everyone thinks, oh, pretty woman, you know. Okay, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: making $ 9 an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck. Good luck living in LA. And was your
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  Speaker 1: dad giving you any money at this point? My dad
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  Speaker 1: has never given me a dollar. Okay. My dad didn't
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: give my mom alimony either.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. So you were really on your own?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I've always been on my own. I've paid for all
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of my school on my own. That's 40 grand that
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I paid off.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: From working? From sugaring. From sugaring.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So we'll get to that. All right. So let's go on.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess both, but when I make money,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I usually on my own, I've spent it on like hair,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: makeup and nails.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But when I make money for men, I usually put
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: it toward investment. It's like, my school loans or cars
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: or mortgage or not mortgage payments, lease, you know, down
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: payments for a lease on an apartment.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: So let's go back to it. So you're, you get
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to LA and how do you figure out about the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: sugar baby? Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So I was working on Rodeo drive and the story
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: is a beautiful Korean lady.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Well, not lady. She was like a girl.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: She was like 25, beautiful, very tall, probably five, eight,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: walked in with a guy with white hair. He was
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: about 75. And he hands over the American Express black
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: card to her and then gets on the phone and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: leaves the store.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Then the Korean lady.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Walks up and it was me and my coworker, my
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: gay best friend. I loved him to death. He was 43.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I was 21. So this is 10 years ago that
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give away my age.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: How dare I?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I was 21 and my gay coworker
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: was just stunned.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: That this had happened.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And she goes, I want every shoe in my size
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and I want you to rip up the receipt in
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: front of me.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And what did you say?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, my gay best friend said, how the fuck did
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: you find that guy? And she was like, how did
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you not know about the site? Because my gay best
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: friend said, he goes, this girl has had devastating relationships
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: since she got to L.A.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And we need to help her out. Can we get
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: her whatever you're.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Doing and make sure that she's doing it right? And
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: she said, oh, it's seekingarrangement.com. And you immediately go and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: write this down.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: No, I was in horror. How dare you?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. That was my immediate response. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: we had an elevator up to the top floor. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: literally remember getting in the elevator like, I don't want
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to hear this conversation.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I was disgusted almost.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So that's how against it I was back then. And
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: why did you think it was not for you?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Because I think that, you know, when my dad like
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: outright paid a woman, it was never the same as
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it was for a long-term relationship.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: for it?
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: This exclusive place that dad has connections with. They have
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: It's Dune ADL.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Where?
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Dune ADL.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the e.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Do you mean yes i got it on done deal
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: cars lift please you're going past oh kimmage no done
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: deal cars you couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that is a hugger Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I had seen, you know, with my
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: own two eyes. And you had seen that as your father.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: You saw the difference in him paying a hooker and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: him having a girlfriend.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: When some of them were all set up to be
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a hooker, but maybe one of them lasted because she
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: was funny and cool.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And actually he wanted to hang out with her.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Long term.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And that became a much longer, and those women would
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: make a shit ton more money.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I didn't want to be that girl. I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: was very against being that girl. I wanted to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the Bonnie and Clyde. I wanted to be the partner
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: in crime that I knew myself even in a weird way.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Like I felt like with my dad, I was always
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: his partner. And so I didn't want to be seen
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: as that girl.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I was disgusted. But this woman
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about in the store, she didn't come
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: off as being a hooker.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Not at all.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: She was so well put together. She was where she was.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And she just had a very strong appearance, strong personality,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and not in a way that was contrived. She was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: just naturally a very cool woman. She had pretty much everything.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I looked up to her when she walked in.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I really did.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Take away the guy, I still would have felt that way.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So anyway, my coworker said, listen, I don't care how
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you're reacting right now. We need to go get a
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: two-buck chuck from Trader Joe's, go home, create a profile
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'll create the profile. Okay. And we're just going to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: see how it goes.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And no, you know, for him to say it, I'm always,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I was always, okay, fine. I'll just do it. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: we'd go, we'd make the profile. The next morning, I
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: had 178 messages. And this was 10 years ago, so
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it was a very new.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: A new site. A new site.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I was probably one of the first 200 users, or
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I believe I was one of the first 100 women
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: on Seek Arrangement. So I just remember laying in bed
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and going, I.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Was so excited.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So I went through, I just started looking and, you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: they had all the photos and.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: They had their net worth.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Their annual, which it still has today. And then a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: little about me and what they're looking for. And it
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was something that I had never seen before. We didn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have Bumble or Tinder back then. There was maybe Match,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: which no girl my age would have done anyway. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I finally had a place online where I could find
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a man. And it was well put together. The website,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the platform wasn't confusing to me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Right. And what did you put on your profile at first? Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it was my gay co-worker who wrote that for me. However,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I did choose the photos.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm very good. I'm very good friends with one
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: of my first sugar daddies and he sent me.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: All of my first photos.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I used to be blonde and they were great though.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: None of them, I was never promiscuous. I never thought
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of it, bottom line. to me, it was always a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: dating site. It was a dating site. It was to
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: find a best friend. And so I never, and I'm
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: not comfortable wearing bikinis in a photo. I'm just, I'll
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: never be that girl. I was in my shopping. I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: was with my mom. I had my family in my pictures,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: which I would never do now. But it showed my
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: true lifestyle. And none of them, back then, there was
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: no filtering.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And Right. So it was truly me. But it still
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was probably pretty refreshing for these people looking on these
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: sites because a lot of those girls were probably quite slutty,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better word. I'm absolutely certain of it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They were on that site to find a one night
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: stand or a flat out sugar daddy. And you probably
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: came out there looking much more innocent. Maybe so. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that at the time. I had no
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: idea what was going on.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Right. So my first date, he drove up in a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: black Lambo, suicide doors, was 35, looked just like Scott Dizdik.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And was really like a dream date. Well, wait, back up.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So how did you pick him?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: So I went through and I found guys with the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: photo and I wanted the net worth to be very high.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to go on there and think, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: there was guys that had the two mil, one mil.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I'm going to shoot for the stars, baby. Well,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: so let's talk about that because I'm also on the site,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: as you know. And I think people get caught up
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and they look at the annual versus the net worth and,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you know, they get caught up in that. But the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: net worth on that site is what makes that site
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: different than other sites. And the net worth really shows
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: what these guys are worth. And this is why you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: choose that amount to look for the guys or to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: filter for these guys.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Net worth is everything. Net worth is your network.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yes. So, okay. So you picked based on the guys
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that were worth the most on this site. Yeah. Even
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: back then. Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, for 50 mil for a 35 year old,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I was. Listen, I was 21, but I was smart.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I was smart like a 45-year-old. I've always been street smart.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You know, have me sit down in a classroom, I
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: don't do so well. But when it comes to like
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: people and understanding, I do understand the way that the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: world works and money does kind of run the world.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I think that. And how old was this guy?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: 35. Wow. Okay.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you believe that What he wrote that he was.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Worth that much? Yeah, because back then there was no pushback.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Nobody had anything negative to say about it. Nobody even
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: knew about it. I had nothing going against what I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: was doing that night. Now, I had him pick me
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: up at my place. Don't ever do that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Don't do that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I got very lucky.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But he listened to what I liked.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: He brought me to Boa Steakhouse, private chef dining room.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I told him I liked comedy shows. He had me
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: meet Dane Cook, a VIP showing. I told him I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: liked spending my mornings at the W Hotel rooftop. He
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: bought me my own suite that he didn't stay with
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: me in.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: At the W Hotel. It was like the high roller.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And I had an envelope on the nightstand.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And did you have to do anything with him? No,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: he actually.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: He chose to drop me off and he didn't ask
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: for anything. And I knew what we were going to see.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He wasn't ghosting me. There wasn't that happening. I knew
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that we were going to see each other again. He
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: really just, I could tell at that point that he
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: was so respectful from our conversation at dinner. He was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: one of the most respectful, endearing, honest, genuine, like concerned people.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: listener of any date that I've ever had. And I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: knew that he had very high integrity and that he
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: himself wouldn't want to cheapen the relationship. Right. I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: certain at that point that he wanted to see me
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: again and that there was more than just that would
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: have been really cheapening the night. Right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: If he had asked to do that. So, all right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So now we can get into general conversation about this
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: thing in general. I think that a lot of people
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: mistake sugar baby and sugar daddy dating because they think
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that it is borderline hooking. And I think that in general,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think that I'd like to ask you, you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: how you draw the fine line, because I think you're
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: very good at figuring out how to not exchange money
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: for sex and you do a really good job of,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of making that clear and how to go on a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: date and really draw the line and go on a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: date and not do anything intimate with somebody.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think it was, you know, we can,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: we can draw it back to my father and knowing
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the difference. Don't cheapen yourself first, you know? If you
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: come out with your boobs hanging out, there are some
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: girls on Seeking Arrangement that are my good friends that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I know verbally. Like, we talk just like you and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I are today. And they're great people. You know, they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: very emotionally intelligent, love them. And then they show me
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: their Seeking Arrangement profile, and it's all almost nudes. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: so at that point, of course the man is going
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to think that's what you're out for. Right.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And that's how they can be treated, right?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you represent yourself that way, the man's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: going to probably think they can treat you that way, too.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But that's not even who they are.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing? You know, you're just,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you're ruining it for yourself from the start.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So, and also, get on the phone.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Call the guy. Create that chemistry before you even meet them.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Check in.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Make sure that, you know, if you want to be
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a sex worker, by all means. I have nothing wrong
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It's fine. I know some girls who are. That's good.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Do that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But if you really are out for an emotional connection,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: which I've always wanted because I am a hopeless romantic.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: for it?
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Do you mean.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundiel Cars.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Lyft?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Lyft?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: You're going past Kimmage.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: No.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And I also am really bad at acting on dates.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Diarrhea at the mouth.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So I definitely think that if you want the emotional connection,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you have to really think about who you are first.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: What are you looking for? What is your goal? What's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: your end all goal? Mm-hmm.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: If you're just out for.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: The money, there is another way to go about it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: But if you really want long-term financial gain from a man,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and I know this from the back of my hand,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: do not do quick dollars. You are going to make
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: so much less. You can get make 1K today, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you'll never see that guy again. Right.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So for example, people that have been on seekingarrangement.com or
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: any other sites like that will know that there's a
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: lot of this conversation about pay per meet. And that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: means for people that don't know that men will join
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the site and women will join the site and it'll say,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to meet you on Wednesday night
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and it's $ 500 PPM. And That to me sounds like
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: sex work, sort of, or meeting up for hooking purposes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It can be. And it might be meeting up for
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a cup of coffee and they'll give you $ 500. Yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you should never talk about it before.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I don't do stuff like that because, first of all,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'll never go meet somebody for a cup of coffee
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for $ 500. I would get nervous about that anyway. But
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm in it for a relationship, you know? And I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: would be in it for an agreement. Now, let's talk
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: about agreements. I think a lot of listeners would want
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to know from you, who I consider an expert, how
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do you talk about an arrangement or an agreement with somebody? Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, like I said, I usually FaceTime them.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Don't ask them for money before you meet them. The
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: girls who call me and say, how do you get
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: such good-looking billionaires who give you the world? Well, it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: because I don't ask for $ 500 for a coffee meet.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Let's start there.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe if you're asking for $ 1, 000 to go to coffee
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: for 15 minutes, that guy is going to be desperate
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and weird.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Those are the ones that are never going
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to give you real money.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Those are the creepy. That's what the girls call a toad.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, so that's, let's change that first.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: So I think ultimately getting on the phone, establishing, for me,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I had a great success story for my first date.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I usually bring that into it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And when I'm helping my friends who are new to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the sugar bowl, I tell.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Them, even if you've never been.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: On a date before, tell them what you say that
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you've You used to have a sugar daddy off the site.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You never used the site before, but you had somebody
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: who was taking.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Care of you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And this is what he was giving you every month.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: That way you take.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Him out of it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But ultimately, I always say this was my first date
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and this is how it went. He ended up giving
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: me like $ 10, 000 a month. If it scares off the guy,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the guy is scared off.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I don't get upset about that. I don't get mad
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: at him. I don't try to pull someone into a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: situation where they can't. Do it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I've never. You'll just move on. Yeah, you just move.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: There are so many men on that site. There's many,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: many fish in the sea.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Just move on.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So I do establish that on the phone before I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: even meet them. I try to, you know, take it
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: off the site. I try to make sure that I
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: even like the guy first before even talking about the money.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And do you think of this as a job? Like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: are you putting enough time into this.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: As a job?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It depends on where I'm at in my life. Because
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you're making $ 10, 000 a month doing this?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: It's always been a supplement. But I definitely couldn't live
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the lifestyle I've had without that income.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Right. I can't see my life without it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And have you had any bad stories, horror stories? Only
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: from Bumble.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Tell me. Bumble and Tinder is very unsafe.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Seeking Arrangement has a great vetting system. They read every
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: single message that's coming in and out. And you have
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the filtering. If you really are concerned about safety, they
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: have the diamond members who are already verified by their
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: income and everything is solid.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Bumble, they can make up who they are.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: They can make up the whole profile and Tinder. Right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And it's also just based on a photo, right? I mean,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you really don't know who anybody is. It could be
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a catfish.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: They pretended they had five mil. It doesn't even say that,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't even have their income.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: No, they could be living with their mother, for all
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because they were a rock star in 1995
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in a famous band doesn't mean that they have any
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: money right now.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is the horror story in February. I'm like, Okay.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Guy was like a major rock musician. I'm like so
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: excited for the date. He lives in a shack. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: it was during quarantine. And quarantine really got me off
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: my regular standards, I have to say, with dating.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So I, we drive up.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: His car was, it was a BMW from like 2013
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: We drive up. God forbid.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Might as well just hung me now. So we drive up,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and it was like a cottage. Like, really, it was
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: just small. And honestly, the whole date was a disaster.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The guy was a total socio, like, psychopath. And that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: was preceding another horrible relationship that I had, or not
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a relationship, but a date that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I had from a matchmaking agency in New York.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It's just, it was tumbling, and I could not wait
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to get home and get back on CK.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But you're really good at weeding out these guys and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: finding what we call these whales. What would you suggest
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: to people that are listening to find the right guys
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that are, you know, if they want to be living
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: this kind of life, the sugar baby life, how would
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you suggest that they find these men? that they can
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: sift easier through the site to find them.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I have been like coaching certain girls on
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: just how to, you know, be a part of the
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: life and actually do it right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And so I will say, what are your favorite characteristics
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: about yourself? Name me five aspects of you that you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: really like. And usually, well, I have really pretty hair.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I work out every day.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I always... Okay, rewind.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: We're starting over.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Tell me five characteristics that are unique about yourself that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: nobody else has.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Now go.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Some girls aren't even that pretty, but they're funny and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: they're cool and they have stories and they're inspiring to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: these men because these men hold businesses. These are very
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: intelligent men. They want an intelligent conversation. I mean, even
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: if you're a softer personality... you still have unique characteristics
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: about yourself.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: So lead with that. So I think this is good.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think people need to realize that women do not
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: need to feel like, number one, they need to be
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: dating older men to be in a sugar baby, sugar
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: daddy relationship. You can find younger men. And you definitely
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: don't need to be trading... sex for money because number one,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's illegal. And number two, you definitely don't need to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: be in bed with somebody to be making these arrangements
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that you should be thinking of this as a long-term
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: relationship that you're going to get into and that somebody
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is going to hopefully be supporting you almost like in
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a marriage because that's what kind of relationship is because
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: they should be giving you something to get something else
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: which is your affection your time right and you you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: want that kind of relationship and there's nothing wrong with
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it but a lot of people that are listening might
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: have a problem with that because well for many reasons
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: there's so many stigmas and taboos in that now Tim
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: as a man I How are you feeling listening.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: To all this?
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting story. And I mean, I
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: like her as a person.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: You're just a good person.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, say more. You can really tell that, though, from
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: listening to her, right?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's a good person. So I think that,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously a lot of us are raised in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a certain way where we think that life should go
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: a certain way. And that is like you get married
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to somebody and the whole idea is you fall in
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: love no matter how much money you have. you find
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: things in common, and then you have children, and you
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: get old together, retire, and move on. So, you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: that's how some people think. But I think that your
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: story is obviously different, and it's outside the box.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: But, you know, life is evolving, life is changing, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: so who are we to judge how you think and
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: what is working for you.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: for it?
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Where?
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Do you mean.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Lift?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I ultimately think that anyone can find their successful relationship. Like,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: what is your successful relationship and how do you define that?
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: I think one of the challenging things for me would
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: be the fact that I have power and I do
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: have money.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Is that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: I want, as a man, I want to be loved
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: for me. And that's one reason I have such big
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: boundaries because I started doing very well early in life
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: because of the career that I have. And so I
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: was always wondering, like, what is this person's motives? So
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: for the way I think about life, I want to
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: be loved. I want to be appreciated for me and
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: not so much what I have, what I've done, where
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I live and who I know. What I find valuable
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and what I think is amazing is rarely in the
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: financial side. Like I think of, I mean, this sounds crazy,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: but Nelson Mandela was not necessarily the richest guy in
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: South Africa, but the guy helped change so many people's lives.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, Mother Teresa was not a supermodel like a
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: lot of girls that I know, but she's very, very valuable.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: So to me, in living a long time and seeing
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: people at their highest and at their lowest, I think
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: that there's so much value in communication, connection, a real bond,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with the way I've lived
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: in Beverly Hills.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I think that ultimately you can kind of feel that out.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: You know when somebody is emotionally connected to you. You
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: can tell on the first date no matter what. You
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: can tell on the first, you know, even if you
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: meet another guy who's out to just network with you.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You can tell. And when you know that they're out
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: for that, that's when you cut it. And that's why
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I tell these girls, if it's money before emotional connection,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you'll never have success. Because this is an opportunity to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: meet people, network. But at the end of the day,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you're going to be on the couch with them watching TV.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And you're going to want that person to be your
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: best friend.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, for me, who has not been that
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: exposed to this subject is, I think, It's another lane
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: that's obviously out there. And I think that this conversation
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: that we're having with Rachel is just bringing it to
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: light in a different way. And it's very, very interesting
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: to me, Rachel, to hear it from the inside.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because you've obviously been able to have
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: relationships where you found a connection without having... to take
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: care of somebody. And if you've found a relationship with
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the connection with somebody, maybe that's just come naturally. You know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: if you meet someone, you fall in love with them,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you're the one that's been more successful in life, you
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: probably end up taking care of that one just because
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: that's your nature or that's the situation, right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious, has anyone ever come up to you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and acted like the sugar baby and been like, hey, okay,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so I'd like you to take care of me?
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: All the time.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And so how does that go down?
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the thing is, is that because I
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: was raised by like a single mother and three older sisters,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: there's like a respect that I have for women that
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: I think is, unusual that some men do not have.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: But when I started to become very well known in
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Beverly Hills is, you know, you had some very beautiful
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: women coming after you. And the whole idea was take
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: care of me. So that was very foreign to me.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Did it feel good?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I would say that it was the fact that I
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: probably lead more by my personality and my sense of
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: humor rather than my looks. So it, it was flattering,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: but it was also confusing.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, so it was, it was, it was
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: an interesting thing to me. I think that, you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: there's so many different lanes and paths in life. This
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: is just one that some people choose, but I've also
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: seen it on the flip side. I know a lot
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: of really good looking guys in Hollywood and Beverly Hills
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: that are taking care of By older women.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, totally.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. For a long time.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: There is that, yes. And that's very prevalent here in LA.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: It's very prevalent in New York as well and London. Yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: One of my good friends is not a gay man,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: but he's a sugar baby and he's straight. I do
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: think that most of the girls on Seeking Arrangement that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: are out for love and not money see your personality
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: first no matter what. And so I know in Beverly Hills,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: there's so much good looking men. There's a lot of those.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: It's a dime a dozen, just like it is for
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a man. And so we see it the same way.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And we want that emotional connection.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: We want a guy to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Be funny and charismatic and have manners. We want the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: older guy who has manners, who knows how to be chivalrous,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: who knows how to be a gentleman.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And that's usually an older man.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you my challenge with that, though?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Is that Rachel knows this. So part of what I'm
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: known for is I've been life coaching people for over
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: 30 years. So my doctorate is in world religion. And
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: then I've been a therapist for over 30 years. And
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: most men are bullshitting. And they're living a lot of
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: different lives. And so I know that because of life
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: coaching the most powerful men in this city, that they
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: may be making one woman feel a certain way, but
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: they're doing the same to two or three others. But
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: it does go both ways. So I think it's very,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: very easy to play that role of, I'm this guy,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: and then I took her to Barney's, and then I
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: did this, and then... oh my God, so then I
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: knew so-and-so, so we took his helicopter to, I mean,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I've been around this for days.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: It's a small place. But yeah, you ultimately can tell.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: And the best thing about like seeking arrangement is that
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: you have an ability and a platform to say, I'm
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: dating other people. And it's in a place where it's okay.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: So to me, this is not about talking about that
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: particular formula or company or site. But my point is this,
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: is depth. Is I think that deep calls out to deep.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, if I was
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: life coaching you, I see a whole lot of depth.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: that I would like to pull out of you. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: really would.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: What did I sign up for today?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: No, no. It's just how I see you. Because I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: think that this idea, part of my life is dealing
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: with billionaires as a life coach. I've been to 75
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: countries doing this, okay? And I think that, okay, so
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: you got the billionaire, then I will not deal with
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: somebody underneath this certain thing. Okay, no judgment. Because I
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: tell you again, I like you. But I think your strength,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: my gosh, you're a leader. You're an entrepreneur. You're like
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: going to just kick butt in your own right. I
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: think these silly boys could be in your way. They
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: literally could be standing in your way.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: They may have done that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I would rather move their butts out of the way,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: life coach you for 12 months, and then say, hey,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: see you at the top. Because that's what I think.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Because I think otherwise- sometimes you're being enabled by somebody
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: who really is getting in your way and they become
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: your ceiling.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I did say to her, to you, Christina, that
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: what happens if, because you're going month to month or
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: day to day, sort of not knowing what's going to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: happen next. And if somebody doesn't show up, so to speak,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: for you, you change. Like you don't have a job
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: right now or whatever. So you do depend on these
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: men showing up for you. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, once I left my tech job last year,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I've been a full-time just sugar baby. And so it's
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: been a year of that. I've never done this before
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: where I didn't.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Have a career.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And it's been a life-altering experience.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: But I could say this, Rachel, that I don't blame
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: her if she's sitting in a designer store. She sees
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: this gentleman leave the store.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Give the black card, and then the lady can do
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: what the heck she wants. And you're making only so
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: much money and driving a car that you would rather
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: not drive. And you go, I may have what she's having.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: So I see the possibility of oh crap, that might
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: be an interesting way.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's the American dream, isn't it?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot of hard work. I mean, I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: have friends also that literally do this to supplement their
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: life because they have to, they have kids, they have
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: bills to pay. They don't have, you know, ex-husbands that
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: pay them a lot of money and they're stressed and
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: they are going from date to date to date on
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: sugar daddy, you know, any sugar daddy site or matchmaker
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And I think ultimately they want
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to find love, but it's, they're trying to find something
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: that supplements an income kind of. Yeah. But it is,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: there are days where it's not worth it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: And women put themselves in danger. All for, all for money.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And it's not just for money to put in their
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: pocket to get their hair done. It's because they are
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: single mothers or they're putting themselves on the line because
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: they have to pay bills, you know?
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are going through that
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and it's been, especially during the pandemic, it was, it
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: was because they were trying to supplement income.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and also I have had a career where
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I was making a hundred grand and that wasn't enough.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Um, because, you know, I was living above my means probably,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and I always have been. And so I've gotten comfortable
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: with having that supplemental income and, um, No, like having
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a higher position at 250 a year rather than 100
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: and make that money on my own would have caused
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: a lot more stress for myself. And so that's kind
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: of where I go, no, I'd rather this job and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: then have sugaring.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: But at some point, which is probably like now or
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: next year, I want to find somebody who can afford
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: all of that and I can have my job and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: it's consistent because right now I don't feel consistency. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: without that, it doesn't feel right. It feels kind of
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: like a temporary.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Do you mind if I add something from my life
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: coaching side? See, again, I think that some things we do,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: as you've heard, you've heard this before for a reason,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: a season or a lifetime.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: So we've, we've all had chapters of our life. Rachel's
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: have chapters. I've had chapters. You've had chapters in your life.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: So maybe this is a, a chapter or chapters in
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: your life that has given you exposure to what you
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: want and do not want. Because as I read you,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: I just see you as an entrepreneur that can kick
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: butt wherever you land. If I put you in Marbella, Spain,
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I think you would just like run three companies.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll figure it out.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she'll figure it out.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I have moved nine times.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so part of the thing that I'm thinking, in
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: my opinion, is that I feel... that you're not pulling
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: out some of your potential. And I think that there's
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: so much potential there and that sometimes we have to
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: play these silly games to get what we want, including me.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: So for me, as a black man in Beverly Hills,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: who's lived in amazing houses as a young black man,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I had to play little games to fit in. Does
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: that make sense? Or if you're in entertainment, You have
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: to put up with silly people to get the job
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: or to fit in. But I think that you come
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: to a place in your life where you say, kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: of the hell with that.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be me. And I say it this way.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: The real you makes a demand on the you that
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: you become. Because I think we've all been there in
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: life where we're just like, this is not me.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And I do want to say one other aspect of
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: it for the people that are listening and may take
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: away that you are the aggressor on there looking through
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the men and picking them. You know, these men have
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: signed up for this and they know what they're getting
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: themselves into. Right. And a lot of these men have
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: their own psychological issues because half of these men won't
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: even meet these women that they are paying for. You know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: they have social phobias. They have whatever issues are going on.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: So they will do things like they live in the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Midwest or whatever, for example, and they will they will
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: just want to have some sort of a connection and
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: literally feel like they're taking care of someone and send
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: them money. Send them cars, send them things to take
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: care of them and genuinely do it because it makes
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: them feel good to take care of someone. It makes
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: them feel good to be needed because they have their
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: own issues with themselves and they want to be a
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: sugar daddy.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: It's a very common thing. So like when I'm life
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: coaching people and I'll say to a man on a
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: scale of 1 to 10, how do you feel about
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: your job? 10. Your finances?
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: 10.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Your emotional life? 2.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Because what happens if you put so much energy towards
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: one thing, like just dominating in the area of money,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of these guys are like dwarfs in the
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: area of their emotions.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's a challenging thing for a
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: smart woman down the line.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: So maybe she'll get all that stuff. Yeah. And I mean,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not putting down Tommy Mottola, but that's what Mariah's
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: story is. She's like, okay. So I got all this
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: stuff and then I could not connect to this person.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: And that happens a lot, Rachel, in people that we know.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: That they marry these powerful men and then they feel like,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I got nothing in common with this guy.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And that's actually the conversation you and I had because-
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and tell me if you don't want me to talk
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: about this, but you have recently met someone who has
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of money, has obviously a social phobia
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and won't come out of his house, but is sending
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you a lot of nice things. And I said, well,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: this guy sounds like a great long-term relationship for you,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: but because he has such a social phobia, probably won't
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: be a long-term person for you because you won't be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: able to have that connection, even though the money is there,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: he wants to take care of you, he's very nice,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: but you can't end up having a long-term relationship with
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: someone if they can't have that physical connection, even if
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: they have all the things that make you feel secure
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and have the money and the stability and all the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: things that you think you can live in a palace.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: The money and the stability. You'll rather be on the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: street poor. I'd rather do what I'm doing now. Yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you'd rather start from the beginning because you have to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: be attracted to them.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I think like what I said before is the lifestyle
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: has to be the same.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Can I say something about relationships? I think that even
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: from the male perspective, of who I would date or
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: who a man dates, even if they do well, is
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: that we have to be so careful who we connect
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: to because if their standard is not high in so
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: many other areas, and I break it down this way,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Rachel knows this, that there's like three levels of living, almost, most,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: and utmost. Almost means not quite, nearly, barely. That's how
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: you did not like living. But somebody else most may
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: not be your most. So their most may be, okay,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: I'm worth $ 7 billion. Okay, congratulations. But you're not very funny.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: You're not very smart. Now you're really starting to bore me,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: we all have to be careful so we don't get
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: stuck in somebody else's view of what the most life is.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: And then you got to now live in that. Rachel's
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: been there. I've been there, and now I'm hearing you've
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: been there. So I think that that's, for all the
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: people that are listening right now, I think that's super
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: great advice.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I've fallen into the trap of what is her most,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: what is her successful relationship. And, you know, looking at
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that Korean lady who walked into Rodeo Drive, that was
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the dream.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But was it? And was it the dream? And it wasn't, maybe,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: so much. Did I see a... emotional connection that day?
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: No.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: And that is imperative for me to be happy. I
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: need to have the emotional part in order for me
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: to live happily. Right.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And I think everyone wants their own happily ever after.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Well, Christina, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It was so great. And I think that everyone now
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: can hopefully understand this sugar baby, sugar daddy lifestyle a
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: little bit better and that the taboos and myths surrounding
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: it were clarified a little bit.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And we'd love to have you back. So I really
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: enjoyed having you here. Absolutely.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I definitely, you know, I'm here to demystify the whole
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: idea of sugaring and understanding what it's all about. And
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: maybe I've made my own mistakes, but we can all
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: talk about it and explore it further.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: So thank you guys so much.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: for it?
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: Where? Dunaidial.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Do you mean.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundiel Cars.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Lift?
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.