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#141 - Kyle · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Boutleg keV Show. We got a special guest,
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  Speaker 1: my guy Kyle is here. Man. Thank you keV, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you keV. Yes, shouts out to keV Man. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: are we back to independent now? We're back to independent, bro,
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  Speaker 1: which is how it all started. It's how it started.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's that's like, that's home for me, you feel me?
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  Speaker 1: Independent is like that's comfortable. That's how I know operate best. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you know, for people who don't know you,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like there was like a cool wave of
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  Speaker 1: like you guys like yourself. There was the guy who
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  Speaker 1: looked like he should be in like a fifties movie
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  Speaker 1: with the glasses. Uh, fucking gorgeous looking guy with the
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  Speaker 1: hair you would make musical. No, no, he kind of
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of like the GZ that didn't make it,
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  Speaker 1: the GZ that didn't make it. Gorgeous looking guy front
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  Speaker 1: of the fifties. Oh you mean do you why? D
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  Speaker 1: you why? And then futuristic and like you know what
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  Speaker 1: do you why? Though? Is actually he's doing he's doing
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  Speaker 1: some cool ship. Yeah, he's doing his thing. Do I
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  Speaker 1: do you? I? But I just remember like that it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like you know, like because I was real
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  Speaker 1: cool with Futuristic at the time, and so like I
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  Speaker 1: would kind of always see your shit and his shit,
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  Speaker 1: and but like independently you kind of got it out
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  Speaker 1: the mud. So you know, there's a lot been going
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  Speaker 1: on with you, man. Yeah, yeah, what brought you back
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  Speaker 1: to kind of leaving the major label system and getting
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  Speaker 1: back to what you what you know best? You know what?
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  Speaker 1: For me, it was like when when I when I
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  Speaker 1: partnered with you know, a major, It was a cool
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  Speaker 1: experience because it's like, damn, you know, you have his
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  Speaker 1: budget for everything. Everything you're doing is coming out at
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  Speaker 1: like the top tier things. But you start realizing pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 1: like there's not much that they can do for your
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  Speaker 1: music to like explode at this this expectation that they've
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  Speaker 1: set you at now, you know what I mean. Like,
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  Speaker 1: really all of my success was organic as fuck, you
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  Speaker 1: feel me? Like my marketing advice from people I was
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  Speaker 1: working with was to do this, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you're getting paid for this, and
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  Speaker 1: they're no shit, they're getting paid a lot for that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and you got to recoup whatever they're
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  Speaker 1: getting paid exactly. And so and it's no like shade
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  Speaker 1: to them at all, because my time working with Atlantic
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  Speaker 1: was awesome. But I just realized, I'm like, oh, financially,
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  Speaker 1: it makes way more sense for me to just do
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  Speaker 1: this thing myself, because that's all they're asking me to
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  Speaker 1: do anyways, Just be you and hopefully something pops off.
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  Speaker 1: But if it doesn't pop off, we're gonna be like disappointed,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And now it's like being independent.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting back to just making music because I think
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  Speaker 1: it's cool, not because you're chasing. I'm chasing some sort
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  Speaker 1: of smash and especially for me, the smash record they
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  Speaker 1: want me to chase is like a diamond song, Like
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I cannot repeat that
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  Speaker 1: success for you at the drop of a dime. And
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  Speaker 1: also I don't want to spend the rest of my
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  Speaker 1: career trying to repeat that for y'all, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. And then also like just all that goes
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  Speaker 1: into that, right like like in the major label system,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to force you into the studio of people
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  Speaker 1: that you don't want to be with and all that,
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  Speaker 1: and then they're going to maybe force the song to
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  Speaker 1: drop that you might not feel crazy about. But then
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  Speaker 1: they put all this fucking money behind it, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're like, well, what what the fuck? Like I gotta
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  Speaker 1: fucking that comes out of my fucking that you add
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  Speaker 1: to my balance? Yeah, yeah, one one, that's adding to
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  Speaker 1: my tab and then two it's like really and and me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm really easy to work with, Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm impressionable, right, Like I'm nice, I'm easy going, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like flowing with it. And now I'm noticing that
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  Speaker 1: like the team I've built, you know, is sort of
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  Speaker 1: pushing me in a direction that it's not necessarily good
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  Speaker 1: for me. It's not healthy for me, you know, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's not healthy for me as an artist. Like I
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  Speaker 1: was put here to make music and to like honestly
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  Speaker 1: go against the grain. It just so happened at this
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  Speaker 1: one moment in time, me going against the grain became
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  Speaker 1: the popular thing. But if you ask anybody who's ever
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  Speaker 1: worked with me, I'm always in the studio trying to
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  Speaker 1: do whatever is most left. That's just how I operate, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so when you have this whole building
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  Speaker 1: behind you and it's like nah, we going left, They're like, no, Kyle,
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  Speaker 1: fuck go right, man, go nah, I can't you know? Yeah? No?
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  Speaker 1: Was it like because when you have a record like
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  Speaker 1: I Spy, which is like, like you said, it's diamond,
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  Speaker 1: It's not diamond, but it's going to be diamond. It's
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  Speaker 1: like seven crazy going eight times insane and it streams
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  Speaker 1: like two hundred and fifty million times a year. It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: It's like one of those insane hit record anomalies. And
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  Speaker 1: was it like a curse? And I mean, obviously you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna love the money, you go love the head. That
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  Speaker 1: shit put a lot of money in your pocket, But like,
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  Speaker 1: is there a curse? That's the reason I can go independent.
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  Speaker 1: I never need to be with I probably never need
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  Speaker 1: to be with a major again because of that song.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing, And it's like that's where my
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  Speaker 1: true joy is coming from, me being able to do
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  Speaker 1: art the way I want to do it, not because
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  Speaker 1: I do it to make money Financial Pillow exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think, like, just in terms of like
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic's perspective, when that's like your first I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess kind of your first record with them, If you
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  Speaker 1: feel like and it's like a diamond song, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of like the expectation now is like exactly, So it's
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  Speaker 1: like no matter what and that, and you're like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like an artist, I do like cool artistic shit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like I got here for a reason, but now
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  Speaker 1: I'm those guys are going to have you be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well we got to follow this up straight up. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why I don't like take anything away from them
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  Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do. I think just for me,
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  Speaker 1: like the situation just no longer fits what makes what
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  Speaker 1: brings me joy, and that's what life is about. You
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  Speaker 1: feel me having as much joy as possible until you
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  Speaker 1: finally are no longer here, and I think, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: just didn't add up for bringing me joy anymore, because
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  Speaker 1: it's like y'all, one, you're like, our idea for how
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  Speaker 1: to pop this off is just to me to shoot tiktoks,
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  Speaker 1: like I can do that all my own straight up,
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  Speaker 1: thanks to the advice. Thank you for the advice. Then two,
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  Speaker 1: it's like okay, yeah, that that song that y'all want
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  Speaker 1: me to follow up is like a once sent a
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  Speaker 1: generational song, Like, so I can't dedicate the next five
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  Speaker 1: years of my career to just trying to put that
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  Speaker 1: on the board. I'm not gonna have fun. I need
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  Speaker 1: to be able to go just do shit I want
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  Speaker 1: to do without feeling like I'm letting y'all down every time.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, like now we're going left fucking God
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  Speaker 1: please right, Nah, I can't. It felt like there was
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  Speaker 1: a couple of records that you dropped that like felt
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  Speaker 1: very forced. Yeah, you know, and I I agree. The
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  Speaker 1: thing is with me, I can kind of make any
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  Speaker 1: kind of genre of music, right, And that's not like
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  Speaker 1: trying to big myself up too much. It's just the truth,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like I can go in the
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  Speaker 1: studio with any person from any background, any language, anywhere
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  Speaker 1: in the world, and I'm gonna make a slap with you.
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  Speaker 1: So like I'm always down to try some shit. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm realizing, oh, I'm trying this and y'all are excited
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  Speaker 1: about it because you're just thinking dollar signs and that's
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  Speaker 1: not how our is supposed to be. Made you feel
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  Speaker 1: me like Quincy Jones told me, And it's the truest thing.
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  Speaker 1: The moment you're in the studio and you start thinking
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  Speaker 1: about money or you start thinking about financial success, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. God gets up and leaves,
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  Speaker 1: And if God is not in there making songs with you,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you think it's gonna be hard. It's not.
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  Speaker 1: Everything that's fire in the world is fire because God
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  Speaker 1: helped it be lit like that, Like, if he's not
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  Speaker 1: in the studio, which you making music, it's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: slab And the moment you start focusing on my money
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  Speaker 1: that she's not gonna slap, so it's like, yo, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just some of those records, I felt like, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: doing this because I'm so nice and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: appease this. Y'all just want another massive, massive song, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like I can't. I can't spend my time doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And it also like obviously the situation was probably very
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  Speaker 1: beneficial because it, I mean, when you're on a major
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  Speaker 1: there is a notoriety that comes with that. There is
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  Speaker 1: a you know, and I feel invisible and like, you know, shit,
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  Speaker 1: you got into the acting game. The Netflix movie was
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  Speaker 1: super dope. Yeah, I'm just trying to remember that. I
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: just remember you puked yes after party after parting. That
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  Speaker 1: shit was great. It was like realistic too. It was
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like it was like low key, like
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  Speaker 1: a little like Davish before Dave. Yeah, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: it felt very like almost like a bio pick or something.
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  Speaker 1: But the only thing is it was really close to
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  Speaker 1: my life. But I think that was just the star
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: as aligning. Like the kids supposed to be maxed that's
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: one thing. Like his dad's supposed to be in the Marines,
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. It was like the East Coast version
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: of my actual life. You know, his manager being like
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  Speaker 1: this other white dude that is his friend from where
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  Speaker 1: he's from. It's like Nolan, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like very yeah, It's like it's like the New
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  Speaker 1: York version of me. The like I thought that movie
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  Speaker 1: was great. Are you doing more of that? Like are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna be doing more acting and stuff? Like yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hell yeah I did. I was. I was lucky enough
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  Speaker 1: to be in this uh Russo Brothers movie called Cherry
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Fire starring uh yeah, starring Tom Holland, Michael Gandalafini, Sierra Bravos,
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  Speaker 1: the two named Forrest Good like Spider Man's in it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I mean the movie's already out.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen this. Yeah, it's already came out of
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  Speaker 1: Apple and by the way, Tom, That's why, because who's
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  Speaker 1: was it? The free trial ran out? So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well I knocked out ted Lasso. Now I
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  Speaker 1: gotta sign up. I'm too busy watching you get a
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  Speaker 1: fire stick and just call it a day, bro, Just
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  Speaker 1: go on, bro, I got over that ship. Cody trying
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  Speaker 1: to link sloading being all fucking slow. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pay for everything. What am I doing?
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  Speaker 1: You'd be like thirty minutes into a fucking bootleg link
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  Speaker 1: on your hacked fire stick and this ship would freeze.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: You'd have to find a new link. It was not
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  Speaker 1: for sure, pay for the ship, man. Just just pay
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: for keV. You got it, bro keV, you have it,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: you got it. I have every everything else. So I'm
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: a fucking paramount. Plus watching Apple plus Yellowstone right now,
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: get Apple plus you watch Yellowstone. I do. It's it's tight.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like the real it's kind of like
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: the real, like cowboy version of succession. That's all it's
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: succession with like guns and more alcohol. That's like, that's
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Dunton is a fucking gangster ass bitch. She's lit. She's lit.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: It was like it's like Sons of Anarchy on on horses. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it gives me succession vibes too. Yeah, because the family aspect,
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm still a touch of racism in there.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like there's like this, It's like it's
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  Speaker 1: like the Salt Bay, like just enough little It's a
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: great show, but let's see. Yeah, it's a lot of
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: white people in Montana. Then you got the one black
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: guy who's in the bunk house. Yeah, you know what
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: the thing is, Bro never says ship. I'm like, yo,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: he doesn't say ship. He's just there just like we need,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: we need, we need a black like diversity. Just give
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: one black dude, put him in there. I don't have
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: him say nothing. But I do love the show. Hey, Yellowstone,
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: I love the shot. I think it's fine. Kevin Costner's
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: from Compton. Kevin Costners from Compton, but Kevin Costner also
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: is from Ventura. What Yeah, I didn't know that. You know,
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: growing up in Ventura, you like everybody's like Kevin Costner,
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  Speaker 1: he's like the most. He went to Bay High School.
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  Speaker 1: He went to the high school that my fiance went to. Wow.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: I actually met Kevin Costner before, like in Inventura. Yeah, Inventura.
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  Speaker 1: We were doing like this venta like little I think
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: it was like a benefit concert, and all of a sudden,
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: this like kind of like security guard type dude walks
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: up and it's like, hey, you know, Kevin Costner is
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: like here, and I'm like shit, Kevin content like, yeah,
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: right there, Like you can say hi to him. It's
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: almost like an invitation to say what's up, but not
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: like Kevin cost wants to say hi to you, Just
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: just so you know he's right there. You can talk
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: to him, like oh shit, you know, I'm kind of nervous.
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  Speaker 1: I walk up. I'm like yo, uh keV. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's nice to meet you, manmind It's like, yeah, I
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: know you are. He's like, yeah, you're mister Ventura now,
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: and I like, wow, cry bro Kevin Costner called me
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: mister Ventura. You know it's crazy now that that's like
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: a title somebody has. But if anybody can give that
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: title out to something, yeah for sure him. Yeah, as
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: much as like Kevin Costner is a legend, feel the
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: Dreams Dances with the Wolves. If I meet Kevin Costerer today,
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: I'm calling him John Dunton, even call hi John. Yeah,
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: but that's even more lit because that means he's still
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Like if if somebody can look at you like an actor, Dunton,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: can I get a photo straight up as an actor?
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: If somebody can look at you and call you your
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: character's name, like, your shit is smacking right then and
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: there in the moment, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: it's crazy because I'm on you know now, I'm on
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: the radio every night in Ventura shot out to Cue
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: and Mambo and those guys and sir. But I went
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: and had lunch, like downtow. Venture is a vibe. It's yeah,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: come on, it's a big vibe right there. Yeah. Venture
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: is kind of like a special place because it's very
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: it's like anywhere you USA type vibe. It's just very small.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: It's like the last small. It's like the small it's
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: the only like small town vibe you can catch in
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: like southern California. To me, that's like really like special
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: and it feels like it's own place. There's no place
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: like vent and when it's like twenty five minutes past
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  Speaker 1: Calabasas or something, Yeah, exactly, it's here, like it's really here,
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: but it's not here. It's its own world, you know. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's ventur is a vibe man, Like I feel
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people who like, you know, ma homi.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: Joey Boy would always tell people like, yo, man, you
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: gotta start telling people to like, you know, have weekend
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: trips to Ventura, like you know, a little staycations and
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: shit stay wait, who's this Joey Boy used to do.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Joe Boy. He used to be on the radio out there. Okay,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Joey Boy, stop stop giving up the secrets. Brouh. Don't
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: don't wonder nobody going up there. We trying and keep
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: this ship to ourselves. I'm sorry, keV. You can come.
• 13:48
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  Speaker 1: I used to watch it. I used to watch the
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: cowboys over there all the time, like a practice and whatnot.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Remember one time I walked up to Terrell owsed to
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: get like an autographed ball, and he kind of just
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: like gave me like a wave instead. Now it's like wow,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you too, Fuck you, bro? Did you get anyone
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the podcast. So you didn't grow
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: up so you're very optimistic kid. Okay, so you grew
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: up a RAMS fan, though I grew up a RAMS fan. Yeah,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: which is interesting because most people in LA or in
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this southern California region, obviously there are og Rams fans
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: because the Rams used to be in LA for a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: period of time. Shout out Eric Dickerson. But yeah, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: if you're one of them Rams fans, like you can't
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you must have gray hair to claim yes, like straight yes,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: or like a bunch of tattoos and like yeah, I'm
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: like I know, ah, this guy's this guy's in there. Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But then but but what, I've been to a lot
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: of Rams games this year, and I feel like I
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: call them Rams bros. Yeah, Rams bros. Yeah, because they're like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: you know, they've lived here for like six years, they're
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: in Santa Monica or Vantage. Yeah, they're like yeah, yeah,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: they kick it at Bungalow or whatever. That game there's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a football game, Bro, LA's got a team, fucking Rams,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: let's go up. Yeah. There's a lot of those, for sure.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then there's Yg who was a forty nine er fan. Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: there's a lot. And see this is the thing about
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this thing about the forty nine er thing, right, It's
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of especially people my age, like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: what the fuck else were you supposed to root for
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: that entire time? No? For sure. Luckily enough, my family
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is from Saint Louis, my mom, my dad. Like, when
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I was a little kid, we were watching the Rams,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: especially because when I was a little kid, they were
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Lit Warner, Kurt Warren Turf, straight up Bro Marshall, Fall,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce like that. We were killing it. So I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was watching all that shit. But all my homies were
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: all Niner fans or Cowboy fans, which is yeah, because
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I can imagine in like in the eight oh five,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of Cowboys fans because calla Cowboys fans
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: are Raiders fans. Cowboys fans are the most delusional fans
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in all sports. Straight up. They don't they don't realize
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: how much they suck. They're crazy, they're creaty. I actually
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: am not even mad at the Cowboys. They're fans fucking suck. Yeah. No,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they're fans are trash. They're fans treated like they're on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a dynasty run right now, and it's like, no, y'all
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: are not. They're really not. So are you? Obviously you're
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: feeling good about the Super Bowl? Yeah, of course you're
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be there. Have you to spend thirty eight thousand
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: dollars on a ticket? Lock? No, because you know I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: have season tickets for the Rams. Yeah. And I looked
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: up like my seat. I get my seats at like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: face value, you know what I mean. And I looked
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: up my seat and that shit is thirty nine thousand
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: dollars a piece. Oh, I got two of them. And
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I looked at my I was like, baby, we're not going.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, if you know some other dude
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that got in like you might want to hit him
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: up because we're not going. Yeah. No, it's crazy because
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: even if I could, like, you know, obviously, if you
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have season tickets, you're not getting super Bowl tickets. But
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I'm selling if I have fucking Rams tickets, I got
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: them a face value for some reason, I'm slinging them things. Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: well they don't give you that option, right, I would
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: have loved to sell my ship for thirty eight thousand
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and not go. Of course, when you have season tickets,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you don't have access to the super Bowl tickets. That's true. Yeah,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you see how cold that is. You don't get access
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to the Superman Rams. I love y'all, but I have
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: a problem. Okay, it's backwards. Yeah, so talk about the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: new album. Give me the meaning behind the title got You.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It's not so bad. Yeah, my new album was basically like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it's just a word of affirmation. It's not so bad.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: It's like some I tell myself a lot, because in
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the middle of that pandemic, it was like, damn, life
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: really sucked, at least from I know for everybody, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like from my own personal experience, like I was really
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: really hating, hating, life. I just dropped to see you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: when I'm famous. It's like, in the middle of the pandemic,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I can't go tour, I can't go do shit for it, right,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It's like just a lot of whack things at once.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But I'm truly an optimist, and I believe like at
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: any given moment, you can either see the world as
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a fucked up place, so you can see it as
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a beautiful thing if you pay attention to small things
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in your life that are actually meaningful. And that's why
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I was just telling myself, I'm like, dude, it's not
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: so bad. Like it's not so bad. There's a bunch
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like I'm in this situation with this label that I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: don't like, you know, Like it's like I can't promote
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: myself or do anything in the middle of the pandemic.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I'll know what to do. But I started focusing on
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: things that just genuinely brought me joy, and I started
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: realizing how much I don't need this situation with this label,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: how much I don't need all this promotion and you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and this tours and these festivals and these things I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: thought were completing my life so much. It's like, no,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I need to like make music and have fun, and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I need to remind people that all they need is joy, right,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And so that was that was a meaning behind the title.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: It's just a word of affirmation that was helping me.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And then with that, when I started making an album,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it was like this low fi album and like it
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: was sad shit. It was like beats to study too.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I was for real interest music. I just throw that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: shit on. There's like like one where like Homer's yeah
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so but I'm in there were like top
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: tier producers like playing like low fi beats, like yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: were about to do this shit. They has like two
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: sounds in it. They're looking at me like no, we're not,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, but I was really I was really like
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: on that. And then I realized, like, bro, that's not
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the superhero version of yourself that you claim to be,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like you claim to be somebody who's going
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to help somebody forget about their worries and about their
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: shit and like, look on the brighter side. So don't
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you dare drop this sad ass album in the middle
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of all this sad ass shit, bro. And so I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: went up. I left La. I went to Miami because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: La just was like so sad at the time. We
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really took COVID. Not that we took it serious, because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we should all take it serious, but we kind of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: took it overboard, yeah a little bit, you know, a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: little bit. We took it a little overboard, and Miami
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: was kind of doing a complete opposite. I went to Miami.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing. Yeah, me too. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was like that, I feel like life is normal again.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Straight up. Life was normal out there, and it just
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was like kind of like an escape for me. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I went out there and I made as much turned
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: happy music as I could, and I did it in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: an environment where I had fifteen people in the studio,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: which I never do, right, And that's why when I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: hear this album, I'll go out to the club or
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: something like that, which I never fucking do anyways. But
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: then I'll go out there and I'll hear it played
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: with all this other exciting music and it fits right
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in for the first time, you know, because a lot
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of my music is always so personal and so just
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: me by my side studio. This shit is vibing because
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I did it with like fifteen people in the studio, Like, Hey,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: what's up? Y'all. I'm Kyle. I don't know none of y'all,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but I need to have a really good time right
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: now because like it sucks back home. Let's make an album.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of how we did it, you know.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: That's how I've been in the studio with Game a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: few times last month, and there's a lot of fucking
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: people in there, man, rappers be operating. No, No, I've
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: been to a lot of sessions over the years. I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: mean maybe thousands, not a thousand, maybe a thousand, maybe
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like five hundred. But if you've been to thousands of sessions,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, were like I have a couple
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of artists I work for a week, but like the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Game had like a legitimate, like fifty sixty people in
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the studio, and I wanted to guess I was gonna
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: be like it was a lot bro Yeah, and like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: maybe like five of them were actually contributing to like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the music. Yeah, people hitting houka, fucking drinking. Like I'm like,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: this ship is fucking crazy. It's like playoffs in here. Yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the fuck is going to see there's a path look
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: for me. Like I always thought that that shit was weird,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: but I thought it I think it adds, like for him,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like wherever he is creatively right now, Like that's like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that now it is juice. It helps because like yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like for me, like I always thought that she was weird.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck can y'all focus about like
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: telling like this really personal story in front of all
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: these people? And that's the key though, Like when you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: have other people in there and music is loud on
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: two big ass speakers, everything you're doing is impacting their mood.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So if you turn around and you see these sixty
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: people all just fucking chilling on their phone, like you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: if their vibe is fucked up, that's because the music
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you're making is not geared for entertaining large amounts of
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: people at once, you know. So it's like a cheat
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: code kind of in a way, Like you need to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: have other people in there and you captivate their vibe.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Like my fiance she's a DJ, right, and the homie
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that an r this project, just Demmy, is a DJ,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and so I have them set up in the lobby
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: right with two big ass speakers and mixers. Now y'all
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: are going DJ in the lobby, And so when people
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: walk in to the studio. Yes, wow, people, Keaton is
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: making them a drink. Right, every sixty minutes, everybody in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the studio needs to take a shot. This is a rule.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: If you're not taking this shot, you're leaving, you know
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: what I mean, unless for whatever reason you don't drink.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It's party religion something like that. But they're gonna take
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the shot because we're making party music. We're making music
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to help people forget about their problems. So if you
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in here where the studio is at,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: well we're making in the lobby. There's loud ass music
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and you're taking a shot out there too, So everybody
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: is entering this sort of zone of like this is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a party, you know. Side note, I wish it was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: kind of the SoundCloud days because you could just throw
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the lo Fi album out just to just just to see,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: just like yo, let's I mean, the LOFA album is there.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I could put it out like I right, I can
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: literally do me a hardcore like fans are gonna be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in the comments like, yo, we want to hear the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: fucking Lofi album. Man, I'm be like, I'll give it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to y'all. It's sad, yes, but you know, do you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: feel like now that like, you know, because when you
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: were independent, the industry was way different, right, Like it'd
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: be fair to say that you built a lot of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: your following on YouTube, right straight up? Yeah, yeah, but
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like just in general, you know, back then it was
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: you could still purchase stuff on iTunes. They're streaming wasn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: as big in what that was like what twenty thirteen twelve?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Being independent now that the industry has changed so much,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: is like are you having to still kind of I mean,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you know the music industry. You have very smart people
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: around you, but like, what are the things that you're
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: practicing now to try to kind of repeat the success
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that you had, you know back then. That's a really
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: good question. I think the industry has changed big time.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I think back in the day, it was about like
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: brand personality on YouTube, right because the YouTube is a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: video of this guy. Do we think this guy is cool?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: What's his story, what's he look like, what's he from?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like you capture all these things and everybody
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: so heavily on YouTube, and now in the streaming era,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's kind of more like, all right, does this sound
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: out of these fifty thousand songs? I listen to does
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it capture me? And so I think the name of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the game now is really focusing on your micro fan base,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: right you them? Yeah, your fan base is this? My
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: fan base is this, Like I'm a very famous person,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Like I walk your monthly listeners are fucking huge on
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: spot when I walk down the street, Like people are
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: going to recognize me type shit. Now, dually, you're also
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: very unique. People are like, oh, it's the guy with
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the great hair. That is what I'm talking about. Ya,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So it's here and then, But I can't focus on
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: this in today's world, right, I have to focus on this,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: this smaller amount of people that are really into everything
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I do. I engaged, engaged, I need to super serve them.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They're buying merch there, they're buying everything, They're keeping things afloat.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I need to super serve them. And as I'm super
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: serving them, something will raise its hand and then appeal
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to all these people. That's how you do it. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what I notice in today's independent game
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: because the music is easy to make. The music don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: cost nothing to make, you know, So it's about dropping
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: as much quality product as you can to these people
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: who fuck with you and then kind of the something
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: breaks out of that awesome then you're on. Yeah, but
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: those people are gonna be keep your lights on. They're
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: gonna exact bills. I would tell every artist that, I'm like, yo,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: if you've got a core fucking fan base, like feed
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: them what they want and then something's gonna break through. Exactly.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: You're independent, like it only makes sense. Like you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the name of the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: game is to support yourself off of music, straight up,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: support yourself off of songs. And in the streaming world,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that's what you do. You upload the song and he
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: immediately starts paying you. In the YouTube world where I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: came from, it's like, no, you build as big of
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a brand as you can and you go on tour
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and that's what pays you. Music didn't pay nobody, right,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you know. So now it's like, and these people love you,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: they'll listen to everything, so give them is much as
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: possible in tapping with them, like I'm on Patreon, I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: on Twitch, I'm on Patreon, Discord, I'm on all that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: shit because these people, me and them, we are friends.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard of many artists on Patreon, so kind
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of because obviously in the podcast space, it's a lot
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of podcasts creators that go on Patreon. It's kind of
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like only fans, but without Pussy and Titch exactly. Yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it's only fans with I would be a hyper sexualized yr.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So like if you you know, like if you have
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a Doupe podcast, you might some people will have be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: on Patreon and they might do a bonus episode. Yeah,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they might have, Like you might get the episode before
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: everyone else, type, shit, how do you use it? So
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: what I do is I just give them the music first.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: If I have a song that's coming out next month,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: they have it right now, you know, like not for nothing.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And I know this is gonna piss people off. They
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: had the album like a day and a half in advance,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, every song, mastered, the whole shit, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I gave it to them first. I'm not getting none
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of them plays recorded. I'm not none of that. You know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: those streams aren't counting for anything except for their excitement
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and their enjoyment. So I try to give them as
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: much as possible first. And you're monetizing that probably at
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a better rate. There, you're monetizing streams damn yeah straight up. Yeah, fact,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: like yeah, fuck the streams, like these people are paying
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: how much you charge a month? Five dollars a month? Yeah?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Is there different tiers or just one? There's different tiers,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So what's the highest tier? I believe the highest tier
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: is fifteen dollars I think, And it just comes with
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: higher levels of access, you know, more shit I can
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: give you before I can give it to anybody else.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: That's big. Get enough people doing that, there's you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you get enough people doing that, and once again, you
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about taking no advance from nobody,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you know, being in some shitty loan situation. And really
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: really what it was for me too is realizing, oh,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I'm massively successful in music, right, Like I Spibe is
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a billion something stream song, you know, maybe going towards
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: two or some shit like that. You know, playing with
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: me as like was five hundred million streams, Like Hey
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Julie is another Golder platinum record. Like there's massive success.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But in order for me to be truly like rich
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: as fuck, I need to be doing all that shit
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: independently by myself. You know, it's real. That's how you
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: actually reach like masterpiece status or somebody like that who's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: genuinely wealthy off their music. You need to just do
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it yourself. And in today's world, I have these people
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: who are supporting me, who love me, my homies right this,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: my family, who're gonna keep things afloat no matter what,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: whether I'm up down sideways. And then I have all
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this endless amount of music that I can release what
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I'm having to go through, all this yellow tape. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: can just drop record after record after record, and when
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: something waves its hand to the masses, cool and all
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of the money exactly exactly. And all I gotta do
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is make tiktoks honestly, because I can imagine, like, okay,
• 31:51
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  Speaker 1: love and let's get back to the interview. Atlantic Records
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like we just saw. I mean, there's been a lot
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of people just not even Atlantic, but just specifically, like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the major label game is, like there's a reason why
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: companies like Empire are thriving. And you know some of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: these distro companies that offer label services because they're giving
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you like a serious, like, shit, you got more of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the chunk of the pie than anyone then them, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that's how it should be. That's and I would say too, sorry,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'll get your finish go ahead. I would say too,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not anti like company, you know what I mean.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm anti royalty shares and master ownings being so in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: favor of this company for you to essentially still do
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: all the work. Yeah, because there's people who like, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: if you do a major label deal and they give
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you thirteen percent of your album, that's like amazing, that's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: like whoa. People are like, oh, you're killing it. But
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that's like not even a norm. Like some people like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: they'd be lucky to get eight points on their own shit,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. If you get smacked like that, I would.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: You're now you're pulling up to the office ready to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's like what do we do well? You know, like
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: yg just talked about it on the Bronze Shit, he
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was on the Bronze HBO show and he was saying
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: how he's never made he's never got a check off
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: his royalty yet, Like his whole career is crazy. It's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: just advance, advance, advance man, And that's cap because that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: shit is crazy, bro, because when I think about somebody
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like YG, like me being from southern California has been
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a literal staple in my like young adult life since
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I was like fifteen, for sure, right since I was
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a child, like we wanted to dress like YG, listen
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to YG, b like YG. For somebody to be that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: successful for so long and still never gotten a royalty thing, like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's fucking so ridiculous because as rich as he is,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he's had to have made them ten times. It's just
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that it's that advanced thing, right, It's like, Okay, if
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I turn in an album, I get, you know, whatever
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you worked out individually, you know. So it's like some people,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think. I think like the industry
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is starting to smarten up. Artists are starting to realize,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: like I know some people who will just pass on
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the advance and be like, no, I'm good, like you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: do the service. Yeah yeah, no, it's crazy. So that's dope.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So are you just doing straight tune core, straight distro
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: kid or not? So we're doing so I'm like still uploading, yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: uploading things through like distro Kid and stuff like that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But still I'm working with a company that's really just
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: my managers and it's independent and they're they're my managers. Yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and they're pitching to Spotify and pitching to playlists and
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: shit like that, and that's all we're doing. That's dope.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: That And then all the same services that like a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: major company was doing or hiring out. I'm just going
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to those people because you solo and hiring them myself. Right,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I'm hiring the press team, hiring the digital marketing team,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like there's still a team around, but there's no reason
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: why you can't pay for it for yourself. Also, hello,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not even a major label can guarantee a spot on
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a fucking playlist. All they can do is fucking pitch
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it as well. Now they might these people might listen
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, well, they listen way stronger.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I'll say that I'll do with even me putting this
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: album out, I'm like, oh, y'all are listening way stronger
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to that. Like, like I said, I think all companies,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I think that they're awesome. I just think that what
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: they do is awesome. I just think that the business
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: needs to be way more in favor of the artists
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: because so much of the job is way more on
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the shoulder of the artist. All I gotta go on
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Instagram and make the ship. You gotta be fucking on TikTok.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta do everything, and then they're
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: just gonna come through with a canister gasoline. And then
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: once you have the fire, Once you have the fire,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you got to start to fire yourself, exactly. So when
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I was just like, if I got to start to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: fire myself, my gym and needs some more this money, exactly,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And if I start to fire myself, I'll just go
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: fuck with somebody else and just be like, oh look
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I got this fire, Now put some gasoline on it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: For this this is what I'm offering you a fraction
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of the thing to put the gasoline on it. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that's make it make sense. But you got to get
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: out of that first situation to even have the power
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to do that. You know, I'm really not anti company,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I'm anti the business of how much they're taking on
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it Was it easy for you to break away? Like
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: did you just fulfill your contractual obligations or did you
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: ask to leave? I asked to leave, and it's and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: it's and it was it was easy to break away because,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: like I said, the people there like like we have
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a good relationship, Like I love them, they love me.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And it was always easy to work. It was never
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: like static, Like I never had like let me a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: fuck the label moment. I never did that because they're people.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: They're people doing their jobs. You know, that's it. They're
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: really just people doing their jobs. Just the business of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: it wasn't right. So I'm like, yo, you know. And
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, my song was so massive that my
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: fucking advance checks are crazy. So do y'all really want
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: to do? You want me to turn another album? And
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you want me to turn me another album and you
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: come me to this bat ass check? What do you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: want to do? You know what I mean? Because and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I was also kind of like making low five music
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: at the time, probably like look y'all want this now
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: fire album or what? Yeah? Nah, we don't actually, And
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: it's cool because I kind of want to move on too,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's love. You know. It was good.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: It was It was actually really seemless, really easy. That's dope, man. Yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Well the albums I've heard horror stories. Are you doing
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: anything else that you could talk about coming up? Yeah, bro.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, yeah, album is out. It's
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the hottest album of the year. Okay, it's just listen.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I mean it is January, it's February. So far we
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: got the hottest album. And yeah, I'm going on tour
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: for this album and the tour starts in March. So
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: are you excited to get back on the road. Fuck, yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to. I'm excited to just see the people
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: when they went back to the music and I haven't
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: done that so long. And like, as you noted from
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like twenty twelve, it is kind of when I started
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: my independent grind that whole time was just supported by
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like ten people, thirty people, one hundred people, four hundred people,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a thousand people, five thousand people, forty thousand people out
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: of show who are connecting, like, and your live show
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is dope as fuck, Like I think the first well,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like I might have saw you a south By.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I think we first. I don't know when we first met.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: It was like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen. I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it was south By, But there was a when you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: opened up for g on which tour was that that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: was the uh you had like inflatables and the uh
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: these things happened to her and I had these big
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: ass palm tree and yes, yeah on the boogie board.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah you came out on the boogie board. Yeah yeah, yep, yep.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just I mean, congrats. The tours March March.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: How many dates? I think it's like thirty dates. Oh shit,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you're out here, bro, come on, man, man, it's in
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a while because it's what been at least two and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a half three years on the road. Three Yeah, at
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: this point, it's been three and a half years since
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I've been on the road, which is kind of like
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a fucking time for text portal. You know, it's almost
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: like my career. I'm doing have like a career, I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: doing my thing. It's like going, then COVID happens and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: fast forward three it's like three years up and disappeared.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Do you know do you find it easier now? Because like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you're someone who came up with a cult following. I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: feel like sometimes when you have as much success as
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you had with a record, it's easy to kind of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: deviate away from like those people you were talking about. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: did you feel like I've seen it happen with a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: lot of artists, right, Like I don't want say names,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: but you know people who just had huge records, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they kind of came up a certain way. Did you
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: feel like it was a little bit harder for you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to kind of super serve your like og hardcore fan. Yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you know what It's like, this is a perfect analogy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, imagine you throw a party, right and you're
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: all there and it's a party and everybody loves it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: We have this, we have this Kyle super Duver Gang
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: party going on, and it just those people are there,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and then somebody leaks to address and then twenty thousand
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers show up and then you and now all these
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: people are in the party and you have to pour
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: all of them drinks, and like it seems like to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: your core fan base, like, oh, maybe he doesn't care
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: about us as much, because when they come to the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Kyle concert now now the same way you said the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: RAMS bros Are coming to the Rams game. When they're there,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: now their shoulder to shoulder with the Kyle brothers fucking
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: going exactly. So I think that it's not that it
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: was hard to super serve them. I mean, well, it
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was because there's yellow tape. I got to go through
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: with the records I'm releasing and all this shit. So
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was a little harder to connect with them,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: just them. But that's what's so great about to play
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: something right now. I feel like I'm back to like, Hey,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: what's up y'all? Oh my god, that was a blur
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: at COVID all that shit. Like I love y'all and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I love you guys for letting me just make music
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and be me. I'm so ready to do that with
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: y'all again, you know what I mean. That's dope. Well
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: there it is. Man, appreciate you pulling up. Go get go,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: go check out the album. Check out the album. It's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: not so bad. It's out right now. Tom Holland a
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: nice guy. Tom Holland is that's my homie, shouts out Tom.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: He is the coolest. That's like your peeps. Huh that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: my dog. Yeah, he's great. Like I hang out with
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: him and in Day at the same time. You know what,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I actually only kicked it with in Day once. It
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: was at his It was at his uh. He had
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like it was like a movie. After it was like
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a really really tiny, little gathering, but I got like
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: super lit so nice. I think I embarrassed myself. Actually,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I think I like tried to get on a table
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and perform my sp or some ship. It was like, Yo,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you guys want me to do I spy because I'm here, Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: do it. Hey, I'll be here by the way. The
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: song right, yeah, y'all know the song. Yeah. I was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like smashed, so yeah, but now he's he's great. Every
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: time I'm in London, he shows me a good time.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And like at a best Buy in Atlanta, no way. Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: She was in line in front of me and she
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: had this really tiny, little white security guard but he
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: looked like he's a murderer. Yeah that's that real. That's
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: how you know you're cracking. Security guard looked like a
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: normal bro. But I was like, uh. I was like
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I just finished like euphoria and I was like, hey,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: he's a day I fuck. Would you like? Yeah, they
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: should give you a fucking Emmy for that ship, you know.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: She was like, oh, thank you, thank you. I was like,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: all right, we'll go buy your hard drive. Yeah yeah,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: there it is. Man. Shout out to the Hoummy Kyle.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Go check the album out. Bulet Cash Show boom, Let's
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Gone fire,