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Ep. 884: The Invention of Archery, Patagonia Sues a Drag Queen, and Will Oregon Ban Hunting? · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show, Ladies and gentlemen. Today we've
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  Speaker 1: got news.
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  Speaker 2: About a gang of rogue turkeys who beat up a
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  Speaker 2: nice old lady. Oregon voters will get to consider a
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  Speaker 2: bill to ban all hunting, fishing, ranching, and rodeoing, pushed
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  Speaker 2: by a dude who looks like Moby on a diet.
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  Speaker 1: We got an.
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  Speaker 2: Interview of our archaeological findings around who invented the bow
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  Speaker 2: and arrow? And when Spencer Newhart shatters a number of
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  Speaker 2: fishing records set this slowly killing himself eating fish full
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  Speaker 2: of pea, fast chemicals and Patagonia sues of all things
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  Speaker 2: a drag queen.
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  Speaker 1: But first I'm up. The mouse is gone.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, oh what happened?
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  Speaker 1: He got away?
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  Speaker 2: But it's like a complicated story because first the mouse,
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  Speaker 2: my boy comes in the room.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know when that kid goes to bed.
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  Speaker 2: The high school kid comes to the our room, wakes
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  Speaker 2: me and my wife up at two in the morning
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  Speaker 2: to say the mouse got away, but I found it,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, did you put a lid on it
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  Speaker 2: so it doesn't get out again?
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  Speaker 1: He says yes.
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  Speaker 2: The next day I wake up and there's no lid
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  Speaker 2: on it, and I said, why did you say that
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  Speaker 2: you put a lid on it?
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  Speaker 1: He said, because what I meant was it doesn't need
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  Speaker 1: a lid. Oh sure, he said. What he meant was
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't need a lid, like you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, Katie, do you remember him saying, like
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night that he put a
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  Speaker 2: lid on it? She says, he absolutely said he put
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  Speaker 2: a lid on it. He says, it doesn't need a
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  Speaker 2: lit is.
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  Speaker 1: Why he said that. He says, it crawled out on
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  Speaker 1: a stick, but he found it.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, he woke you up in middle of the night
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  Speaker 3: to tell you that it got away.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm so fishy about it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was true because in the morning goes back like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't get why, I don't know why he woke
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  Speaker 2: us up and tell us that he woke up and
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  Speaker 2: tells a non news item.
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  Speaker 4: I very but still it made it sway to the
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  Speaker 4: news show.
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  Speaker 1: Very fishy.
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  Speaker 2: So he says there was a stick in there, someone
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  Speaker 2: put a stick in there that so it mimicked its
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  Speaker 2: real environ like your real life environs.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, well I took the stick out.
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  Speaker 2: Then my wife goes and gets a basket full of
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  Speaker 2: laundry in the laundry room, screams bloody murder because the
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  Speaker 2: mouse has got out and found its way and is
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  Speaker 2: living in the laundry basket. We find it again and
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  Speaker 2: catch it. This little boy who was his mom a
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  Speaker 2: neighbor boy. His mom was with my wife when they
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  Speaker 2: found the mouse. He made a hardware cloth box with
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  Speaker 2: a lid for the mouse. Nice since there's no aquarium lid.
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  Speaker 2: We put it in the hardware cloth like made out
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  Speaker 2: of like you know, mettwire mash to store it in there.
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  Speaker 2: But my wife at this point is done with this
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  Speaker 2: mouse getting away, so she's like, store the mouse out
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  Speaker 2: side in the.
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  Speaker 1: Box with the lid.
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  Speaker 2: I had originally nixed this box because I said that
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  Speaker 2: mouse will fit through the hardware cloth. But I said
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  Speaker 2: put it in Eric, it's got a lid and put
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  Speaker 2: it outside, and they're like, I thought you said it'd
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  Speaker 2: crawl through the hardware cloth. I think it's big enough
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  Speaker 2: now where it won't, but it did. But where it
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  Speaker 2: gets complicated. My wife was mad that I brought that
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  Speaker 2: thing down here because she's like, it's illegal to have wildlife,
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  Speaker 2: so you're going to get in trouble for talking about
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  Speaker 2: that stupid thing on the podcast, And I said, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get in trouble because you brought it home. But
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  Speaker 2: now it's gone anyway, And now it looks like I
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  Speaker 2: let it go to avoid the law because if they
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  Speaker 2: raid the house, like I listened to blood Trails, if
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  Speaker 2: there's no body, it's very hard to prosecute. Sure, so
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  Speaker 2: now there's no mouse anyways, So like when they raid
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  Speaker 2: the house, I'm like, dude, there's no mouse here. Look
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  Speaker 2: all you want, Well, it's here somewhere.
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  Speaker 5: You had to have been secretly happy that that thing got.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're both happy. Goat that way. But I
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  Speaker 1: legit didn't let it go.
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  Speaker 3: So is it in the house somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's outside the house.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if he'll come back to visit you guys now,
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  Speaker 5: And then, like that pigeon did, do.
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  Speaker 6: You think he's like grown enough or she's grown enough
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  Speaker 6: to make it.
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  Speaker 2: I've told my kids, I think it's fine since it's
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  Speaker 2: the right time of year.
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  Speaker 7: And if it could escape on its own two or
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  Speaker 7: three times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a bad desire.
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  Speaker 5: You got any bad neighbors that let their house cats room.
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  Speaker 1: Around there's one. There's one cat. I think his name's
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  Speaker 1: Mitzi or something like that. No bell on that thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: seeing Mebel, Mebel's gone.
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  Speaker 2: So if the cops are coming, don't even waste your time.
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  Speaker 2: I can't find the mouse if.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted corpus. There's nobody listen to blood trails. There's
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  Speaker 1: no body. No, you can't do nothing about.
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  Speaker 2: We got our oh oh yeah, our annual Turkey Hunt
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  Speaker 2: giveaway sweep Steaks. We're I like it because when this
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  Speaker 2: sweep Steaks goes live every year, it's just about the
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  Speaker 2: time of year.
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  Speaker 1: We just did it.
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  Speaker 2: Last year's Turkey Hunt sweep Steaks giveaway winners, we just
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  Speaker 2: hunted with them.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them got their birds. They both got their
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  Speaker 1: birds on day one.
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  Speaker 2: Every year, Jannis and I team up with TRCP and
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  Speaker 2: we do our turkey Hunt giveaway, all expense paid, three night,
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  Speaker 2: two day turkey hunt. The web page says Colorado, but
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  Speaker 2: we bounce around. We don't like to lock ourselves in
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  Speaker 2: on where we hunt. This last year we hunted in
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  Speaker 2: northern Illinois. Phenomenal hunt, So ignore that.
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  Speaker 5: That'll change.
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  Speaker 1: They have to put a value on it, and they
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  Speaker 1: say it's worth nine thousand bucks. I think it's worth
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: All your expense paid, We pay your travel, we pay
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  Speaker 2: your food. We had my buddy, chef Andy came and
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  Speaker 2: cooked this year. He's cooked in the past, so we
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  Speaker 2: bring in a chef. We take care of your lodging,
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  Speaker 2: your airfare, your turkey tags. You hunt with me and
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  Speaker 2: Yanni three nights, two days. All the money we cover personally,
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  Speaker 2: we cover all the expenses, so the full raffles sweepstakes
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  Speaker 2: money goes straight to TRCP. We don't pull expenses out.
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  Speaker 2: That goes to TRCP. Okay, it's live now to go win.
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  Speaker 2: We've been doing this for years. We've got a stack
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  Speaker 2: of we've got a stack of happy customers.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't it start out as an elk hunt and change
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  Speaker 5: to a turkey It's that's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Bring that up.
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  Speaker 2: It started out as an elk hunt that was an auction,
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  Speaker 2: so that meant that every year it'd be.
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  Speaker 1: Like an orthodonist or some such.
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  Speaker 2: Then we're like, let's switch it so that any kind
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  Speaker 2: of guy can win, just so he'll billies and rednecks
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  Speaker 2: can come. So that's what we did, and it raised
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  Speaker 2: more money. We like tripled the amount the money we
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  Speaker 2: raised by going raffle ye. So'll if you're sitting there
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  Speaker 2: and you're thinking, man, I'm too much, but he'll abilly
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  Speaker 2: to ever win something like that, think again.
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  Speaker 7: And if you got a babydo in the spring and
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  Speaker 7: you consider the like, well, maybe the timing doesn't work.
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  Speaker 7: You can still do it anyway, and Steve will have
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  Speaker 7: to make good for you.
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  Speaker 2: Spencer, speaking from experience, we last year's winner didn't hunt,
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  Speaker 2: last year's Winter wins and then gets his wife pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Like three months later.
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  Speaker 4: Tale as old as time yep.
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  Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, his wife's due date is
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  Speaker 2: like Turkey season. So he sends his brother in law's
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  Speaker 2: who tag out. Then I felt bad for him, so
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  Speaker 2: then I had him and his dad come for dinner,
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  Speaker 2: and Spencer came over to help entertain, so.
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  Speaker 1: We flew them into town. This is we're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: make a habit out of that.
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  Speaker 8: If you.
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  Speaker 2: Get a box of rophile active family plan Accordingly, if
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  Speaker 2: you can get a family, if you win, get a
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  Speaker 2: family planning plan together. I don't care how you do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's for another show. That's for calling him mommy.
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  Speaker 5: So how did Spencer entertain them like.
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  Speaker 1: Great entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine, Spencer's my kind of Spencer's my kind of guy
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  Speaker 2: for stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Because what Spencer does do you want to know what?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: What Spencer does?
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  Speaker 4: Ask a lot of questions, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Very thoughtful questions. He's not there to talk about himself.
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  Speaker 2: Very he did asked a question about on the fly,
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  Speaker 2: like if you thought for a week about what you
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  Speaker 2: might ask.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I thought for a week about what I did
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  Speaker 7: you notice how I noticed that about you? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he asked great questions.
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  Speaker 4: He's in natural host.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It just me Yeah, I can just like I could
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  Speaker 2: sit there and when he has a question, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's such a good question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the answer.
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  Speaker 4: And if you only listen to the podcast, you might
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  Speaker 4: think that he just asks trivia questions, but in fact
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  Speaker 4: he's very personable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, ask people about themselves. It's a great characteristic.
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  Speaker 2: TRCP dot org Summer metiat or summer sweep steaks again
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  Speaker 2: all expense, three night, two day hunt with me and Yannie.
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  Speaker 2: We have made some exceptions when we've had a hunt
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  Speaker 2: or not get his bird.
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  Speaker 1: We've done. I don't want to make a habit of that.
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  Speaker 1: We already gotten next year's spot lined up. It's the
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  Speaker 1: same spot from this year, and the place is sweet.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good turkey hunt.
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  Speaker 5: That's where they strut on the railroad tracks.
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  Speaker 4: If you need some extra entertainers, he can ask some questions.
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  Speaker 1: So it goes like.
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  Speaker 2: You get like ten entries for twenty five dollars whatever,
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  Speaker 2: Just do it. Yeah, get in there, win this son
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  Speaker 2: of a bitch. We'll show you turkey hunt and some
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  Speaker 2: good food.
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  Speaker 1: Close we got is that it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: You got t shirt?
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  Speaker 2: Oh we got to you know, all this all this
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  Speaker 2: hoopla America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more of a one hundred, two hundred, three hundred guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah here here, Like I was around, I was three
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  Speaker 2: two something like that two at the bi centennial. But
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  Speaker 2: the problem with only doing centennial celebrations is you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have people just flat out miss out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, including our current president.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah well no, like he hit the by centennial I know.
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  Speaker 5: But he's like the two fifty is closely linked to him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want a dog on it.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, But I just like I would never
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  Speaker 2: if I was left to myself, I would never think
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  Speaker 2: if I saw that the three hundred was coming up,
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  Speaker 2: I would plan huge stuff. Yeah, I would never have
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  Speaker 2: thought to myself, too fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Is you know.
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  Speaker 2: But the nice thing about splitting the fifties is most
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  Speaker 2: people that live a normal life expectancy will hit a celebration.
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  Speaker 2: You could, like, I hit one at two, I won't
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  Speaker 2: hit the next one. M No, I mean we we right, so.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe like you might not ever hit one.
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  Speaker 4: No, probably not if they didn't do the fifty right right.
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  Speaker 4: I was born in eighty six, so like.
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  Speaker 1: You could live a fairly okay life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like not gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah'd be a little bit disappointing, you're yeah, Sydney would
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  Speaker 2: get remarried.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was looking.
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  Speaker 2: Forward to that day. She'd get a second chance. Now,
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  Speaker 2: could you could feasibly without it being a tragedy?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? Never get Yeah, a celebration perfectly. How everybody say
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  Speaker 4: he lived till eighty nine, Oh that would be well ninety.
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  Speaker 4: I could live till eighty nine and miss it, right, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not gonna see one. No, that's why you
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  Speaker 2: gotta do the fifties. I mean, I'm because a randall.
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  Speaker 5: They don't have like the cool centennial name, though.
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  Speaker 1: They do it.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, everybody knows that one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty is a sesqui centennial.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's what that means.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the term for a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
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  Speaker 4: is a semi quinn centennial.
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  Speaker 3: Nice that sucks, which sounds like a y.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I believe that's why they're going with two fifty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna that should have gone on a.
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  Speaker 4: T shirt, man, semi Quinn centennial. Yeah, why is That's
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  Speaker 4: a great shirt. That's a great trivia.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, we launched a shirt and randalls on her because
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  Speaker 2: this is his best chance to see a centennial, the
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  Speaker 2: only chance to have a good celebration.
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  Speaker 1: It says America.
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  Speaker 2: It's got a buffalo on It says Land of the
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  Speaker 2: Free seventeen seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: Get your own.
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  Speaker 3: About free jerk either Yeah, I think you might give
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  Speaker 3: free jerky with the T shirt or if you spend
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  Speaker 3: over a certain amount or something.
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  Speaker 5: Erica some two hundred and fifty year old jerky.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see nothing about jerky. The top left.
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  Speaker 3: This is just a screenshot from the website.
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  Speaker 2: Oh huh, there could be something to do with free jerky.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to that's enticing.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: Official guy has the etdequate question.
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  Speaker 7: Hold on, hold on, Oh sorry, punt gunplain.
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  Speaker 1: Exit.
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  Speaker 7: Steve scolded me for not speaking up last week to
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  Speaker 7: talk about the punt gun, and then he blew past
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  Speaker 7: the punt gun exit again on this episode. We bought
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  Speaker 7: a punk gun in twenty twenty two. We've been messing
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  Speaker 7: around it for a while. We shot it earlier this year.
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  Speaker 7: Now there's some important news to share around that. In
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  Speaker 7: late June here we're gonna have the video that comes
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  Speaker 7: out on our YouTube channel of me and Steve shooting
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  Speaker 7: the punk gun. And then in early or mid July,
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  Speaker 7: the Meat Eater auction House of Oddities is going to
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  Speaker 7: go live and we are going to be selling some
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  Speaker 7: hats that were shot by the punt gun at the
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  Speaker 7: auction house. And then in late on.
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  Speaker 1: Those hats say this hat was shot by a punt.
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  Speaker 7: Gun and it was actually shot by a punt gun.
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  Speaker 2: And there's gonna be three categories. There's barely shot, pretty shot,
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  Speaker 2: and really shot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so a barely shot higher the more holes. This
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  Speaker 1: is the weird part.
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  Speaker 2: You pay more for the more holes. Sure, but it
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  Speaker 2: all goes to it all goes to conservations.
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  Speaker 3: Like genes these days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exact where you go?
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  Speaker 5: What'd you guys do with the shell casings?
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  Speaker 7: We have some, They may go in the auction house
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  Speaker 7: we sent one of them to. I'll explain this now.
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  Speaker 7: In late August, we are selling the punt gun again.
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  Speaker 7: It will be August twenty one, twenty two, or twenty three.
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  Speaker 7: We don't know the exact day yet. This will be
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  Speaker 7: done through Rock Island Auction at their summer premiere auction.
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  Speaker 7: Rock Island Auction, they're like the world's leading auction house
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  Speaker 7: for antique colle historic firearms. That's where we bought the
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  Speaker 7: punt gun and.
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  Speaker 2: The men we had Will Primo Son about selling that
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  Speaker 2: that collection series of shotguns he has that was rock.
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  Speaker 7: If a really valuable gun comes up for sale, say
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  Speaker 7: it's like worth north of you know, twenty thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 7: there's a good chance it's going through Rock Island. That's
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  Speaker 7: where our punt gun came from. That's who it's now
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  Speaker 7: going to be sold through. We paid twenty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 7: for it. The folks at the auction house, Hope that
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  Speaker 7: it goes for more than that this time around. Their
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  Speaker 7: estimate is twenty to thirty thousand. Punt guns don't come
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  Speaker 7: up for sale real often. We bought ours in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty two that same auction. There was one other punt
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  Speaker 7: gun prior to that. They had sold one in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty one and then twenty sixteen, so less than one
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  Speaker 7: a year for punt guns coming up for sale.
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  Speaker 2: Ours is a Holland and Holland punt gun manufactured in London.
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  Speaker 7: And it's from the late eighteen hundreds. It's four years
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  Speaker 7: older than the very state we're sitting in right now.
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  Speaker 7: That's how old that damn punk gun is.
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  Speaker 1: And a nice thing about this.
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  Speaker 2: When we got it, if someone said does it work,
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  Speaker 2: we would have had to say, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, we asked that question and they said we
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  Speaker 7: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when you buy it and someone says does it work,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like, does it work?
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  Speaker 3: Check out this hat?
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  Speaker 5: It worked six times.
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  Speaker 7: So we're gonna sell that through Rock Island Auction August
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  Speaker 7: twenty one to twenty three. Every dollar that that punt
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  Speaker 7: gun sells for is going into the Meat Eater Land
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: Access Initiative, so it's going to a good cause, and
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• 16:34
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• 16:41
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• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So those of you out there are the big pile
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• 16:54
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• 16:56
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• 16:58
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• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Martin Fabrication made them.
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• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: A guy had a chettikut question. But you gotta rescend
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the question because the way you have it, you're gonna
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: hurt people's feelings. Yes, like he way over described, way
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: over described, You don't have to find this is the.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Guy talking about the skull guy and the skull lady.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Resend. They're gonna know exactly who you're talking about. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: then you're gonna have no skull people, Leland, no skull people.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: We got a thing that's gonna we're gonna have Yannia
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: dress where a guy's talking about basically he's saying, don't
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: throw out the baby with the bathwater. On drones, drone recovery,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: drone recovery. He's got a spirited argument about why drone
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: recovery is great and you shouldn't make it so you
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: can't use drones to find wounded animals just because people
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: are gonna then also use.
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: It to poach.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But we'll let you talk about that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: A guy wrote in to say, we were we were
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: talking about data center on the north Slope. We're talking
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: about the oil fields around prude Obay. How they don't
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: they don't pipe out natural liquified natural gas off a
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: natural gas being a byproduct of oil extraction. He says
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: they truck it down daily down to Fairbanks and trucks.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So there is there is a commercial liquified natural gas
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: output coming off there.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: That correction stands now.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: An interview with our favorite archaeologists, Mett and Aaron. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Mett's been on the show before. If you remember when
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: we did our thing, when when we did a research
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: we participated in a research project where we butchered a
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: bison using stone tools. Met has been on the show
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: talking about a live is archaeological work. When someone sends
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: me or anyone I know a photo of a rock
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: they found and they're wondering if it was if it's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a tool, a human made tool, we always send the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: picture to Meton. Meton always says, it's not.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do this all the time. Is yep.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: He's like a professional ball buster, like professional good times ruiner. Sorry,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, look at this crazy axe I found.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, that looks like a rock, not all it's.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: The burden expertise.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Ye. Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Sometimes he will point out that he's this is what
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: makes him a great Sometimes you'll point out he can't
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: tell from that picture. And sometimes you'll point out that
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that does look like worked stone. So it's not that
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: he just says no just to just to be mean,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: but he puts people in their place. And I always
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: say when I get a picture of something someone found,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I always say, hang on a minute. So if I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: ever say that to you and you're one of my friends,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing is I'm sending the picture to Meton
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: for him to vet okay, uh, Meton, please tell us
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: about the paper it is published.
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so myself and some of my closest colleagues, a
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: guy named Briggs Buchanan at University of Tulsa, and Rob
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Walker at Missouri and Marcus Hamilton down in Texas, we
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: wanted to know when the bow and arrow was adopted
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: in prehistoric North America. And this is the question that
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: a lot of archaeologists have struggled with for a pretty
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: long time. And it's a tricky question because usually, like
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: the components of a bow and arrow don't preserve right
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: because it's wood and sinew and stuff. So for a
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: really long time, archaeologists have been using stone points to
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: try to figure out the weapon that that stone point
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: went on to.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: But that's really problematic because you can have little.
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: Tiny points on arrows at laddle darts, you can even
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: have tiny points on spears like thrusting spears, and you
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: can have large points on all of those different weapons systems.
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: So you can't use the stone point to figure out
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: the rest of the weapon. And so Dave Meltzer, who's
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: been on the podcast several times, he said to me
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: a couple of years ago, He's like, why don't you
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: figure this out?
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: So I start to think about it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: And there's a statistical technique called optimal linear estimation, and
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: we don't need to get into the details of that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: Technique because it's pretty boring.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: But you know, if you like hit a baseball, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: if you only have like thirty percent of that baseball's
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: trajectory and you know the velocity of the baseball, you
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: can make a pretty good prediction of where that baseball.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: Is going to land.
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: That's kind of.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: What optimal linear estimation does, except we can do it
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: with data.
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: And radiocarbon dates.
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: And so what my colleagues and I did was we
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: actually went through the literature and we actually have something
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: like fifty preserved components of bows and arrows from really
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: dry caves and bows and arrows that like melt out
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: of the ice and stuff like that. And we have
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: eighty six preserved components from the at laddle or spear
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: thrower in dark also from dry caves and just random
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: occurrences where these things preserve. And because we can date
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: those wooden components, we have radiocarbon dates on all one
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: hundred and thirty six of those rare archaeological specimens. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: so what we did was we applied this technique, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: we went backwards in time with the bow and arrow,
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: and we went forwards in time with the at laddle
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: and dart, and we found that they crossed over exactly
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: at fourteen hundred years ago. So that's when the bow
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: and arrow transition from the atladdle and dart occurred in
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: western North America.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I've often said this. I should have checked with a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: guy like you before I said it. I've often told people,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know where I read this, that
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that the bow and arrow was perhaps invented. I don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: know where I got this number seven times when I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: say that, what am I saying?
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: So, what you're talking about is the principle of convergent evolution,
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: and we see that all the time in the biological world. Right, insects,
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: birds and bats all can fly, but they're not related
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: to each other. They independently evolved the ability to fly.
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: And so we see that with the bow and arrow. Right,
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: the bow and arrow was invented, we think, in South
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: Africa about seventy four thousand years ago. Who was invented
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: again in Central Europe about fifty four thousand years ago.
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: Sri Lanka forty eight thousand years ago, again in Europe
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: eleven thousand years years ago. And what we've shown in
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: this latest paper, who was reinvented once again in North
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: America at just fourteen hundred years ago.
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: Huh Yeah, so, like I mean, this is.
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: Because humans are smart and they have similar issues that
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: they need to solve, problems they need to solve, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: so they'll come up with similar solutions. And so at
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: various points in time, people invented the bow and arrow
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: to tackle whatever problem they were facing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Now that you have that date.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And you look at the types of stone points that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you see from different dated sites, does it illuminate anything
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that you didn't notice before? Meaning did you sort of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: rediscover a correlation between an arrow like in what is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: commonly called like an Indian arrowhead, between an arrowhead size
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and what it might have been used for, Like, did
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you see a shrinking of arrowhead size around four teen
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago? Now that you that you have an
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: identified point to look.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: At, Yeah, there's general trends where points will get smaller
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: after that point, and then like you know, five or
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: six hundred years after that fourteen hundred year old marker,
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: like the points get real small so you can be
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: confident if you find like a really tiny point, you're
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: probably dealing with the bow and arrow.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: But again probably right. I mean, the past.
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: Doesn't really preserve that well, and so archaeologist should always
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: kind of buffer what they say with you know, qualifiers.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance in identifying what part
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of like where this thing sprung up geograph more specifically?
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: Oh, now, that's a really good question, right, because we
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: focus our analysis on this at laddle the boat transition
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: in western.
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: North America, and that's where stuff preserves.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: They're in super dry caves like in the southwest, or
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: if it's melting out of like ice.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Right, yep.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: Well, what our research doesn't speak to is was the
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: boat invented in western North America or was it invented
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: somewhere else, maybe somewhere in the east, and then it
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: into Western North America fourteen hundred years ago.
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: We have no idea. And that's a tough question because
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: just stuff does not preserve in the eastern woodlands that well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: it's too much seasonality, too much moisture, and just organic
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: materials just get estimated.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So you wouldn't be shocked if you if you heard
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and I appreciate what you're saying, like, we don't know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: but you wouldn't be shocked if it would be that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that maybe a thousand years earlier it was being used.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: On the Atlantic coast. Say that it might have like.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Who knows, it might have taken that long to get
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to the western US the boat.
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: That is certainly a possibility. I think the other thing
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: to keep in mind, too, is it's also possible that
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: the bowl and arrow was used a lot earlier, say
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: by pale Indians, and then for some reason it was
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: lost but extinct, and then nine ten thousand years later
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: was reinvented fourteen hundred years ago. I think what this
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: research really speaks to is the fact that, like you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: we often think that we're getting better and better and
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: better with our technology, and we often have this view
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: of whether it's biological or cultural or technological evolution, that
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: things are getting better and better and better. But species
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: and technologies come and go, they go extinct all the time,
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: and they get reinvented. There is no progression to evolution,
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: and so people will come up with the best solution
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: given the context that they're in.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: God, what else you're working on?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: What can we expect from your off us to your
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: lab next Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: Well, we got some pretty big projects that should be
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: coming out next month. I think I can't talk about
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: those right now just because.
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: They're under embargo. But you guys will be the first
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: ones to know when I when they come out.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Give me a little teaser, like, tell me that, tell
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: me how many years ago we're talking about.
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: We have two big.
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: We got We got two big papers on Clovis hunting
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: and different aspects of Clovis hunting.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You better not be trying to come and give us
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: more of that hogwash about how they weren't killing mams
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: left and right. No, no, no, they didn't wake up
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: every day and killing mammoth.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: All right, we'll have a chat about that. Yeah, So
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: we got some clothes stuff coming out. We we were
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: in Oman in November. Oh really, Yeah, yeah, because we've
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: been working there for the last few years. We have
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: a hypothesis that we published. It was last year and
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: that got quite a bit of news on a new
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: hypothesis for the origin of well all technology and so
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: and that has to do with basically people using naturally
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: sharp rocks to process game and carcasses and so really
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: you can tie the origin of technology and the fact
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: that we're looking on iPhones in this screen right now
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: to the fact that people needed to cut meat got
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: them that started everything.
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: And so we were there in November. That was I
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: love going to Oman. It's an awesome place.
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we got projects in Kenya that will probably got
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: us go to next year and just lots of experiments
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: and shooting stuff.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And again, keep us posted on the new Clovis work again.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Matt and Aaron is a professor at Kent State University,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: where he directs the Experimental Archaeology Department. He and his colleagues,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: including our friend and former podcast guest David Meltzer, have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: both uh what trying to.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Say, both been on. Yeah, whatever, you get the point.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Kent State University, Experimental Archaeology Department, thank you very much
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: for joining and we always look forward to anything you
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: can come and tell us about ancient hunters.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So appreciate you joining.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Okay, wild Turkey's ambush California Senior Citizen. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: they don't ambush. This story was sent to us. Brodie,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: can you can you give the basic gist here or
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: are you that familiar.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I can give the basic gist. In California,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: like recently, an elderly woman in the San Francisco area
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: was out walking and got attacked by a couple of
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: turkeys town turkeys, yeah, urban turk And that's like like
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: that segment of the wild turkey population has grown pretty fast,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Like they're they're pretty common in suburbia and and even
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: like urban areas. But she is bruised, and you got
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: those pictures of her, phil.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'll pull them up here, Brode, I thought you
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: were talking about the other turkey graphic you sent me.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I'll pull you pull that up in a minute of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: turkey graph.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she she had some injuries to her face and
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: fell and and I did a little research while we
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: were getting this whole thing together this morning, and that's
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: actually one of the most common injuries when wild turkey's
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: ambush people.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I wanted to cover the story. But
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: then Brody did additional research. Can I cover my bit first?
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: If okay, there's two main Yeah, I was gonna complain
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: about another thing. God's gonna say two main complaints I
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: have in life. But I'm gonna skip the other one,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: yourejournalists need to better understand what an ambush is. They
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I was gonna find a hundred examples of journalists not
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: understanding an ambush.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: They're like these turkey they use the word.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Here's the poor woman was beat up by the turkeys.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: These turkeys came up behind her and attacked her, and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the journalist says, the ambush her. It's not an ambush.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Journalists never know what an ambush is. For the turkeys
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to have ambushed her, they would have needed to gone
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: out ahead of her, laid in wait, or waiting outside
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: her door, concealed laying in wait. Like, my message to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: America's journalists is, please try to understand what an ambush.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: There has to be some element of concealment.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reading, Sorry they ambushed.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: So there's like some police parked in a car and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: they're attacked by a person and they said he ambushed them.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, did he walked up on him? She was
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: not ambushed, No, she was attacked. There's ambushing Bushwacken Brody
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: was pointing out a guy using the term shanghaiing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but like.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: You could shanghai a turkey, but like she's not she
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: was attacked.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: She wasn't ambushed. You could ambush and then attack.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: An attack is like there's levels of attack, right, there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: like grizzly bear attacks and there's turkey attacks.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: If I like, I would be more comfortable saying that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: these turkey's bushwhack, right, because to bushwack a turkey's to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: kill it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Without calling it in to ditch crawl.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: On it, yeah, or he'll crawl whatever, to like put
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the creep on a turkey is bushwhacken it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So it'd be more like they came in blind on
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: her and bushwhack. They did an ambush her.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: But her injuries were from falling, and that's typical of
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: wild turkey attacks where an elderly person ends up falling
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: while they're being attacked.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a turkey that kept attacking the elderly
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in a in a wildlife officer wanted to catch it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: They had to dress.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Up like an old lady and act like an old
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: lady to lure the attack that's ambushing the turkey.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Like they were profiling their victim.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: No, that's trojan horse in it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Then they stranglehold the wildlife official dressed up like an
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: old lady, pretended to be an old lady to lure
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the attack, and then they threw it into a stranglehold.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: It's not like holding on to a live wild turkey.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: It's hard enough when they're wounded a bit after you
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: shoot them.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta hold on their road, sure man.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Phil, you got the how to survive a wild
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: turkey attack?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brody found this.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: This is this is I got it. There's a quote
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: here about.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Someone actually made that this is better than Spencer's garden is umbrellas.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: There's a blinking animation we saw tips like umbrellas carrying
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: a garbage bag around and unfolding that garbage bag and
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: like waving it at the turkeys. Huh So, don't back.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Down carrying a big garden holes with you can help yep,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: if it's hooked up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: How to feed a bully turkey, don't back down?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Who put this? How to defeat a bully?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: That's the funny thing. There are two different articles in
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: the Audubon Society.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Phil, What is it? What does it say?
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: There's umbrella question mark and there's two words above that like.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: It's like like this umbrella.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Oh charge it's telling you not to wave your hands.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: But it also looks mostly empty. But this is this
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: is what it looked like on the website, though, create stuff.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: I think some stuff missing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Did you get the Why is the turkey on the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: bottom talking? I see that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I feel like that box. I feel like that box
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: on the left side in the middle should say do
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: you have anything with you?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: But it's some of our are it didn't.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad job. But yeah, it's saying like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: if you don't have a shotgun, it's saying, spray it
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: with water, hose it down, shake.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: A bag at it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: But that's the thing.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Wave an umbrella at it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: You can only do so much of these things, right
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: because they're they're wild animals, so you can't. Your hands
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: are kind of tied as far as like what you
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: can do to fight them off.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Don't gobble at it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Here's a question. What if you just like you're like
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: boo and you run at it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think that'd work. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: gobble at it, wouldn't hand call at it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: If you go boo, it'll probably gobble at you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Don't run up to it's a real problem is town turkeys.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, we're going to Oregon.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: In the news a lot lately has been this UH
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Oregon Hunting Band petition. A lot of the UH headlines
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: that I feel like have been kind of misleading because
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: it's like saying they have they have enough signatures to
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: ban hunting and organ which is not that not the case.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: So we're going to go through the whole thing. The
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Organ Peace Act, which is People for the Elimination of
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Animal Cruelty Exemptions UH.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I think they started with knowing what they wanted the
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: acronym to.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Be, yeah, and then.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Because you want to, you know, always tell when someone
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: does X, they wind up with something real clunky, People
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: for the Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemptions, because they wanted
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to be able to call it peace.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like if you're in the acronym business, that's
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: that's not a bad stress.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: It's like when Congress came up with a genius Act,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: which which is they.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Knew what they wanted to call it first, and then
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they had to think of a bunch of words that.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Would make that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Okay. So the Peace Act would remove many exemptions and
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Organ's animal care laws currently allow hunting, fishing, trapping, livestock production,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: and slaughter and other animal use practices.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: So basically it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Would it would outlaw all of that stuff, and supporters,
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: uh say, the proposal would extend the same legal protections
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: currently given to pets. You know, you can see where
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: this is going. It's it's it's very a very extreme thing,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: and it was kind of engineered by this guy, David Michelson.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: We got our photo of David.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, would you like to that's an ad for vegan
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: diet right there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So David kind of kind of is that this
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: is spearheading this thing.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: That's a that is a rugged lifestyle.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't look like he's got a lot of
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: energy to run this thing. But but anyway, they got
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: the signatures. I think it was one twenty thousand signatures.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: They needed one hundred and seventeen thousand to get this
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: thing on the ballot. Little background on Mickelson his background
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: in psychology public health. He said activism was in his
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Actism was influenced by witnesses witnessing pigs being killed in slaughterhouses,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: and he has tried earlier versions of this same thing
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: in Oregon. He acknowledges the initiative is unlikely to pass,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: and has described it as part of a longer term
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: effort to change public attitudes around human use of animals.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: They want to change the system. Killing animals is a choice,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: he says. We can make one hundred percent of that
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: food from crops if we chose to do so. So, Obviously,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: this is like very broad in scope. It's not just
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: a hunting issue.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It'll never pass.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: No, we'll get to that. We'll see what the odds are. Obviously,
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: hunters like groups like the Hunt Organs, Hunters Association, Ducks Unlimited,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: National Wild Turkey Foundation, on and on and on with
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: these hunting groups are opposed to this, but it's a
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: lot bigger than hunters. The Oregon Farm Bureau, ranching groups,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: et cetera argue that you know, it would just completely
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: change fundamentally change their way of life for the worse.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Senator Christine Drizanne, Organ Republican gubernatorial candidate, says it's an
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: all out assault on Oregonian's way of life that would
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: expose farmers, ranchers, veterinarians, breeders, and animal owners to criminal liability.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So if the measure reaches the voters, which is likely
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: to happen. It's likely to get on the ballot, it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: unlikely to be voted into law. Oregon has more than
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: three hundred thirty thousand license hunters, five hundred thousand licensed anglers,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: seventy thousand farms and ranches involved in livestock production cattle, sheep,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: dairy goats, poultry, hogs, roughly one point two five million
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: cattle and calves uh and five hundred and twenty five
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: thousand beef cows. This is where it gets good. Three
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: point four million registered voters in Oregon. One hundred and
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: seventy thousand to maybe two hundred and seventy thousand of
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: those voters identify as either vegetarian or vegan five to
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: eight percent of the state's voting age population. So not
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: looking good for it to pass. I asked AI what
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: the odds are of making the ballot eighty five to
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: ninety five percent at the ballot eighty percent chance that fails,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: twenty percent it passes. Now that's AI.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So, but that's like pulling from like polymarket data.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, political betting market, and twenty is you know, it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: not nothing.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this brings up a question I've always pondered,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: is I'm a law and order guy, right, I'm not.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not like a lawbreaker and I was raised up
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: lawbreaking but gave up on it. If this happened in
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: my state, I feel like I would become a vigilane hunter.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't flat out right, I wouldn't flat out quit.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I would become a vigilante angler.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: J I mean I wouldn't like, I'm not gonna quit. Yeah,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying. I'd just be like, well,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm a poacher now.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Yep, exactly.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: It would be like if you were if you were
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a hunter, instead of like getting all your stuff in
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: during the season, you'd be like, I'm getting low. It's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: time to go get a don.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Just because I'm just like I'm not going to abide.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's gone too far.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I don't trust this system anymore, and now I'm just
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: going on my own.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Where would you leave the state?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: No, because I'm I'm not gonna say it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Because these these people from this neck of the woods,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: they're always hunting.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: They don't stick close to home.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Like Washington Minnesota dudes. One goes one direction, one goes
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the other direction.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Leaving the state is like when someone from Hollywood is like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I'm moving to France. You know you're giving up. The
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: weird thing about this, though, is how broad it is
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: compared to a lot of these ballot measures that pop up,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: like the cat hunting thing in Colorado, which is like
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: they usually like it's really specific, which I think gives
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: these things a better chance of passing.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But yes, this is like.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Being done for an Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: He's doing the PEDA thing, Peter.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: The point for PETA is not to have, not to
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: make progress. The point for PETA is to perpetuate petat
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: making the news. Yeah, so they propose things they know
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: we're a dead end because then the press like, how
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: we're doing right now, we'll talk about it, and then
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: they'll be like the news story, like anytype Peter makes
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the news.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It's the news.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Saying what will they think of next? Yeah, this is ridiculous,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and they're like, hah, sweet, we did it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: We're in the news. So we're falling for that little
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: moby looking dude.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: We're falling for his We're playing right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: Into his hands. And the other thing too, about these
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: these stunts. Is like they're gathering signatures so they could
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: go to a farmer's market and just tell people, would
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: you like to sign this to put the ballot measure
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: and play there.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: They're gonna be very vague about what.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you can say, you can say it's the
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: end like lab testing on animals, or you could say
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: it's this or that, you know, but.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: If they're at the farmers market, the farmers are gonna
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: kick their ass.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Well I'm just thinking of.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Like where do you go when there's probably.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: For a baseball game. But I don't think they've had
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: much luck outside.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Of But did what Randall's saying did get me thinking,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: like we should do some like man on the street
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: reporting at Whole Foods or wherever when we find out
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: one of these things is going on, like sending someone
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: you know, like ask some people some questions.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Spencer asked good questions.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: That's what's going on.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It'll be real thoughtful.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I I I unanimated that flow chart so it filled
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: standard flow.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Guys, I'm over it. Tag it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But the point one thing I was bringing up is
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you better make sure it's attacking you, because it's not.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: You'd be harassing. Well, that's what I'm saying wildlife when I.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Said, there's only so much you can do, Like, you
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: can't kill him, right unless like.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: If it's risk like I get if that poor old
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: lady had killed that turkey, no one's going to prosecute.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Sure, it's not like she like stole them out from
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the wild.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Okay, speaking of bands, here's some news from my home
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: state of New York. Senate Bill S ninety four seventy
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: three was recently proposed. So we're not sure if it's
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: going to go through or not, but it's called the
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Lead Free Game Donation Act, and if it gets if
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: it goes through, then it would be a prohibition on
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: donating lead shot while gave meat to food pantries. So
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: actually this surprised me New York if this, if this
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: were to go through, New York would be the second
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: state after only Minnesota, to ensure that lead potentially contaminated
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: meat wouldn't be donated to food banks and pantries. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: that's my little game. How much while game do you
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: think is donated per year to food banks across the country.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Across the country? Oh no, idea pounds? No, No, a million, million, yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: What is it?
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: So apparently recently last year it was one thousand, one
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: hundred tons of wild harvested gay meat.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: So there's the zeros on that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, one thousand one one.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: What what they're missing here is no one's been able
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to demonstrate no one's been able to demonstrate a correlation
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: between lead poisoning and consumption of wild game.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: It's a completely open question.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: I thought they have. There was there was one. There
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: was one study that I saw. It was like some
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: individuals were consuming lead shot while game meat and their
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: lead the blood the lead levels and their blood were X.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: And then they transitioned to to consuming non lead shot
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: game meat and the blood level levels decreased.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I want to see that well.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I mean I remember the one they did where they
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: like took hunters and urban dwellers, and the urban dwellers
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: had higher lead from environmental lead condamination than the hunters.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: So I think, are you supposed to do fill out
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: a question like you're going to ask people what'd you
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: shoot it with?
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: So so we'll go, I'm gonna just let me see.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: So for example, in Minnesota, you if if you are
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: a hunter who's donating meat, you actually have to get
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: your meat processed by a Minnesota Department of Ag registered
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: meat processing plant, and they will in fact X ray
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: the meat for lead fragments. So in New York I
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: think that they would probably transition to something similar. And
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: then but these are that Minnesota is the only state
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: that has this. So in California, for example, for hunting
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: of any kind, you can't use lead AMMO, so there
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: isn't a worry there. And then there are two others
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: that have rules around warning labels, so that would be
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: Iowa and South Dakota. At at food banks, if they're
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: distributing meat while gay meat on the bag it says
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: not tested for lead, and there's a lead warning to
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: pregnant women and children. All other states, it's just there's
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: there's nothing in place against this. So in any case,
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: this bill, lawmakers expect it to be reintroduced and pursued
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty seven. It's gone through a couple of committees.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: They don't think it'll come up again this year, but
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: next year we'll look out for it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And man, well, the thing I don't get about it
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit is how am I still alive?
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: Have we ever tested your Have we tested your blood
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: led levels. Has anyone I have I feel.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Like I have had that done. Yeah, ask my kids
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to dead.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: One more quick bit out of New York. This is
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: positive news for the hunting community. We we almost reported
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: about this the other week and then and then a
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: veto got overturned. So uh in the county in Erie County,
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: which is western New York where the capital Buffalo is UH,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: there was a there was a proposal to veto a
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: youth hunting law that exists in the state, which is
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: that youth teenagers can use a crossbow, a rifle, a shotgun,
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: or a mule muzzle loading firearm to hunt if supervised,
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: and a county executive went against this. So last week
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: it was like, oh my gosh, you know teens and
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: youth and Erie County can't hunt supervise with these means.
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: But then the county legislator actually over rode the county
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: executive's veto and adopted the youth hunting law. So it
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: was eight to three. There were three Democrats who upheld
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: the veto and two Democrats joined uh, six Republicans to
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: override the veto, so.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: To hear Man splitting them doms off.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: YEP they're split, and so now youth twelve and twelve
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: and up. I think it's twelve to fifteen or twelve
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: to sixteen can use those those crossbow, rifle, shotgun and
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: muzzle loader to hunt.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Here, it's a how how can a county like decide
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: they're not going to follow a statewide hunting How's.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: That the county issue?
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Very strange.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Imagine they did that and you're like lived in that
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: county and all the other as you can do it
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: from your county.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: You can't do it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: It's just weird.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Man. I don't want to get into this vision.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I want to push this vigilat. I wouldn't vigil any
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that the legislati.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Quote from the guy, the legislature has an opportunity to
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: override my veto and they may do that, and if
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they do it, that's their constitutional right. But if they
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: do that and a child dies in the future, my
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: conscience will be clean.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, God, he.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Knows he's in the wrong.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: He regretted it probably pretty quick, and then he had
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: to do like a little deal like that to try
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It smooth it over.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: And this laws existed since twenty twenty one, and there
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: have been no reported hunting related shooting incidents, violations or
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: license fe vacations. But I think this county exec and
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: others will will will look at incidents across the country
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: and say what if.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so I see here to the question of
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: the county. It looks like they the state Department of
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Environmental blah blah blah. They they said twelve to thirteen
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: year olds can hunt with firearm or crossbow in counties
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: that have passed local legislation. So they sort of like
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: empowered counties to rapped into this pilot program.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Wow, they're making a county by county issue. That's some
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: confusing game laws. Man, county by county because you already
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: thinking about.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: To be a region, do you have to be a
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: resident of the county?
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Would be where?
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it be where you are, But I mean,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: come on, man, you go to locate.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, what county you in? Buddy? I don't, Dad, what if?
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: What if you have a property that spans county lines?
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Can you shoot? Don't? That's what I'm saying. That's where
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: it gets. That's where it gets.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Such horseship, your stand is in County X. There are
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: many many one hundred yards away in county.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Why that's stupid.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: You should really not do game laws by the county
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: by county. I mean something that is fundamental is like
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: what age can you with?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: What weapons?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Should not be a county by county issue. Anyhow, Spencer's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: been out fishing.
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: All right, some fishing news. West Virginia has produced five
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: new state record fish in the last two months. Let's
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: talk about them. Good first one April. Second, good Lord,
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: fifteen year old hunter Roar catches a twenty eight inch
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: eleven point eighty four pound golden rainbow trout on the south.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Fish's tail.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: They love. We call them Palomina calls back there.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: People love the I don't get it, but they're very
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: easy to find in a stream.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Oh I just spent I spend hours trying to catch
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: those things.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a high is it? Is it fertile
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: or not fertile? Let me tell you about it. Okay,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So every spring, are you going to include what's wrong
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: with that fish? It's sick?
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't know what's up with its tail. My
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: guess it the raceway and up against cement.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, that's that's what we call broodstock.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: So that fish sad what everybody calls broodstock.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, let Spencer do his little news reportment. But I
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: think that he's embarrassed. He didn't realize that that something's
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: wrong with that fish.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: Every spring, during an event called the West that the
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: West Virginia Department of Natural Resources refers to as gold Rush,
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: they released golden rainbow trout across the state. This year,
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: they stalked fifty thousand of them in sixty nine different
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: lakes and streams.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: These are not to be confused with the California golden trout,
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: which is a native species to the Sierra Nevadas. Some
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: consider those California golden trout to be their own species.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Some say it's the subspecies of the coastal rainbow. Either way,
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: that is not this fish. These are West Virginia golden
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: rainbow trout, also known as Palomino trout or banana trout.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: They were made at a West Virginia hat trie do
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: you zoom in on my fingers back in the nineteen
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: fifties camera the first stocking being in nineteen sixty two,
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: and they were created after a regular rainbow trout was
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: born with a mutation that gave it gold coloring. They
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: then took that trout's offspring and produced and continued to
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: breathe them to create the founding population of Palomino trout
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: that we know today now. This angler caught this fish
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: on day three of gold rush. He was using eggs
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: from a steelhead that he caught out of a stream
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: near Lake Erie. The fifteen year old said the fight
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: lasted two minutes and that the fish was quote too
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: fat to jump. It broke the old record. Broke the
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: old record by more than two pounds. The angler said
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: that they filleted the fish after the record was.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Missing.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: It seems like fish pellets.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: It was he missing half its motor there too.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: Here's the weirdest part of the whole story that we've
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: already addressed. Gold trout. They don't reproduce after their stocked.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: The bright color makes them an easy target for predators,
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: and they also very very rarely survive the hottest parts
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: of the summer in West Virginia. Here's a quote from
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: a fish biologist about palomino trout that are stocked in
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: West Virginia's northern neighbor, Pennsylvania. Quote, it would be highly
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: unexpected to find a golden rainbow trout surviving as a
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: holdover into the next year. So this state record was
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: most likely stocked three days prior by West Virginia.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why you're even talking about.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: It, because it's good fodder to talk about West Virginia
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: stocking a state record that some fifteen year old catches
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: three days.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I got kill that hog or something, and the dude's like,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I just sold them that hog's I.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Got pictures of it in my truck.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what these things were good for. Is
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: fine in the other fish because they think so you
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: find one, you're the.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Only interesting thing about this image is that man has
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: a very good belt.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I used to wear that belt.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: You can you could wrapple off that belt the way
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: that can work. You can clip a caraban around to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that point. I have that belt. It wears mine.
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: I reached out to the West Virginia DNR for their take.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: Did this fish defy the odds and survive a previous
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: stocking or did they release two days prior? I know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: but I want to hear them say it. I want
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: to hear the West Virginia DNR like, yeah, we just
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: let it off of a truck three days prior. That
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: would satisfy me. So I reached out to them. Have
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: not heard back yet.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Oh God, got excited for a minute.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're going to hear back from him.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: That was state record number one. Here's state record number two,
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: Donnie Workman, there we go another man County sets a
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: new state record for a tiger trout at Summit Late.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You got believe.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Pound fish. Let me tell you about it. Believe Donnie
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: was using meal.
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: Worms and orange salmon eggs. He caught the fish on
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: eight pound tests. West Virginia keeps records for length and weight,
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: and Donnie's fish now holds both of those. Weighed half
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: a pound more than the old record, which was caught
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: in twenty twenty five. It measured half an inch longer
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: than the old record, which was caught less than a
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: month earlier. All three of those state records tiger trout
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: were caught from three different bodies of water, which is
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: pretty unique, but similar to the banana trout. The tiger
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: trout is largely a synthetic fish that's made by crossing
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: a female brown with a male brook.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: There is some I like how he's got tied up
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: with his bootlegs though.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, yeah, I like that.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: I figured out that Spencer loves these man made fish
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: because he used to work in fish hatchery.
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: Now, there is some natural reproduction in the wild, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: the vast majority of tiger trout come from a hatchery.
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: West Virginia did some stocking in the nineteen sixties and eighties,
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: and then they restarted the program in twenty nineteen. So
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: this rush of tiger trout records is not really surprised.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: So the next one's gonna be a new record. Chuck
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: e cheese ber trout?
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Did Donnie eat that?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: We're looking at pictures of the state record fish now,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: and Donnie is someone who I refer to as a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: paid actor because he looks like a fellow who would
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: be catching the state record tiger trout in West Virginia.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Because the next thing, a real fish, State record number
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: three was a chain pickerel.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Fish.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: It gets a little fake here in a second. Matt
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: Bourne caught a twenty eight incher on April twenty first.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: He was fishing a private pond in Preston County. The
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: fish beat the old record by less than a quarter
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: of an inch, which was a record that he set
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Let's speak about that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: The previous record came from the same pond, same as
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: a private pond that's obviously growing giant chain pickerel, So
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: it's not fake.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: But you know that's better than other fish.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: It's you know, the native, same private pond chain pickerel
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen, freaking big.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a disappointing fish to fish for because you
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: never get a big one.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: No, And Matt was using a homemade spinner that he
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: created the night before, so that's way cool.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: He's fishing from a kayak. And he said the battle
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: lasted ten minutes with the pickerel towing him around the pond,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: which again pickerel don't grow all that big, so that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: is a wow minutes.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: What's he using for tackle?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: He had a ten minute tussle. He had a tussle
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: with that fish that pulled him around a pond.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: I imagine he was using some ultra light.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Tackle pulled him around the pot.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: That's what he said.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Say, if I got that thing, it would be about
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: three seconds.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: Both he plans to get the round the pond, plans
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: to get the fish mounted and will display it with
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: this previous record that is also mounted.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Oh so he killed the previous record, so that's not
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the previous record a year later.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: No, he well the previous records from twenty nineteen. So
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: I don't think this is the twenty nineteen.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: For a minute, I thought you were suggesting that he
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: keeps catching this fish now keeps breaking its own.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: But I bet the next state record is also swimming
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: around that point. I don't think you can blame the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: dude because it's a private pond.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying, if you were
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: disappointed those guys with the fish hatchery fish, you're not
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: going to love the private pond.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Ponds the wrong people.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: But I also think if the DNR is dumping fish
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: somewhere and you go out and catch one, and you're
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: like a public access guy, you're just showing up to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: the river.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: You you hating Brody and seth.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you're mixing up what I hate.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think if the state has a hatchery and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: they have broodstock and they take some diseased tailless fish
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and like throw it out into a creek and the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: dude catches it.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: That's fine. I just don't think it's news.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: I think state record, man, it's a state record, I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: think if it's record in West Virginia angling history. Fourth
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: state record was a red horse sucker caught by the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: Roch in Fayette County. It weighed six and a half
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: pounds measured twenty five and a half inches. He caught
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: that on May seventh. Just like the tiger trout. This
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: fish now holds the length and weight record in West Virginia,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: one pound heavier and one inch longer than the old record,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: which was caught in twenty twenty five. The angler was
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: using corn when he caught that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Ye, the guys in the background taking pictures the wrong thing.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: Something else.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: I have a state record sucker right there.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Talking about like hiding and plain sight.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're taking scenics, not realizing that what they're actually
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: looking at out the corner of their left eye.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Uh huh.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: This is a state right state rough fish.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: And he was fishing at Canawa Fall. So maybe that's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: what that that fella in the red.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Shi because that's a legit fish in a legit location.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: That's a fish that's a that's a fish of.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: A lifetime, although they often get lumped in with carp
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: red horse or a sucker that's native to central and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: eastern North America. As the name implies, they have red fins.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: They could especially colorful during the spawn. Now here's the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: most interesting thing about red horse. They're actually the fish
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: on the trivia logo that we have that is a red.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Press fish right there.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Grind them up into.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Zach roper. Congratulate Mountain.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Didn't get those details.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everything was record red.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: Never see stuff suckers, all right. Fifth state record, and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: this is the biggest one, is for blue catfish.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: It was set on by Michael Raimie. It weighed seventy
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: one pounds and made measured fifty inches long. Man Michael
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: was on the Ohio River in Jackson County. He was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: using cut bait on one hundred pound tests. He was
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: targeting giant cat It beat the old record by one
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: and a half pounds, but it was an inch short
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: of the length record. So this fish just holds the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: weight record. Length record was set in twenty twenty five
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: and the weight record in twenty twenty three, so both
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: of those were modern records. That he was competing for.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: Michael was fishing in a catfish tournament that day. It
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: was a five fish limit, and this was the only
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: fish that Michael's boat caught and it gave them second place.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: So that one singular fish got them second place in
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: a fish out.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Dude, I mean, he's he's throwing in one hundred you know,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: he's he's targeting big boys and that's it.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: He's not dropping crawlers off the back of that boat.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Florida just certified a new record blue catfish too, like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: a week or two ago.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Man. That is a that is a that is a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: twenty pounds.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Its good time to be twenty pounds heavier than the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: inches long. It's crazy.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's true. This blue cat was caught on
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: May ninth. It's the second heaviest fish ever caught in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: West Virginia, second only to the state record grasscarp which
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: was caught in two thousand and five. That weigh seventy
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: one pounds seventy one point six nine pounds, so just
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: half a pound bigger than West Virginia's new record blue cat.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: Michael's fish was released, So we're still out there somewhere
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: in the Ohio River. Now, why West Virginia is like
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: suddenly producing all these records. The DNR had some statements
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: about you know what these factors are. One is they
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: say the state's water quality is the best it's been
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: in decades thanks to actions by the West Virginia Department
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: of Environmental Protection. Technology also playing a role, like Seth
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: talked about last week with bill fish, it's never been
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: easier to locate big fish with sonar. And then finally,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: and this is probably the biggest one of them, except
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: this fish stocking programs.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: None of those fish were none of those fish were
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: located with electronics. This one was, yeah, you've found out electronics.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: So the best example of all three of these, the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: water quality, technology and stocking programs is the blue catfish.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: The Ohio River is significantly significantly cleaner now than it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: was fifty years ago. The species was reintroduced to portions
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: of the Ohio River in the mid two thousands. So
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: this onslaught of blue cat records in West Virginia is
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: because a stockfish are now reaching like record book sizes.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: And also this catfish was found with sonarcause it said
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: that in the outdoor life just didn't give specifics, but
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: it said that they were going by this zone and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: marked this spot and then fish for this fish.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Really so technology, that's almost more impressive weirdly what finding
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: them on Like, Yeah, that.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: You'd find a big that you'd find a big record
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: cat and then target it. I think I hear that,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm like that demonstrates angling prowess in a way
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: to me personally, it does him shiplucking into it would not.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: But it also is kind of like having a live
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: update on a trail camera and.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Go, but he let it go.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, catch that sucker next year with the big red horse.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: And it's like it's like finding the white tail and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: then targeting it. You'd be impressed.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a help fish man five new records.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: You worked your way up to the good ones.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: He put him in order. He put him in order.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: This guy, he's also he's a paid actor as well.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: For a dude who would catch a.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Big, huge character.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: That guy looks like a blast.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: The guy who's trying to do the organ anti hunting legislation.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: He's a paid actor. He looks just like a Bagan
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: activist Matt and Aaron. He's a paid actor. He looks
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: just like a really cool anthropologist.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: This dude looks like Bill Burr. If Bill Burr ate
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: that catfish, Yeah, that's good.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, all those fish are filled with fast chemicals.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Real buzz kill, real buzzkill from seth.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: A recent study released by the Montana Department Environmental Quality
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: shows high levels of p fast chemicals in fish flesh
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: across the state of Montana. Huh so, some of you
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: might know what you know. A lot of people know
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: what p fast chemicals are, but some of you might
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: not know. If you're living under a rock these days.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: P fasts are large group of man made forever chemicals
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: used since the nineteen forties to make products resistant to heat, water, grease,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: and stains. Be Fast are often referred to as forever
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: chemicals because they do not readily break down in the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: environment or the human body. They have been widely used
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: in nonstick cookwaar stained resistant fabrics, firefighting foams, and numerous
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: industrial products. Research say p fast exposure has been linked
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: to health is used such as several different types of
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: cancers like kidney and testicular cancer, immune system dysfunction, developmental
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: effects in children, and a ton of other health problems.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: So the study the so the Department of Environmental Quality
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: in Montana. They looked at several different bodies of water
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: across Montana, thirteen different ones. In fact, the study found
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: that fish tissue samples collected in twenty twenty three contained
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: significant concentrations of P fast chemicals. At least one type
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: of P fast was presented, was present in seventy percent
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: of samples submitted. Man of forty p fast chemicals. The
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: lab tested for. The type of or the type that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: appeared most frequently was bear with me here per fluoro.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: Because yeah, yeah, commonly found where am I here?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that chemical is commonly found in the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: firefighting foam used at airports and military bases, which is
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: interesting because what they've done blot of fire retardant around
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: these parts during the summer.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because these are fish out of the Yellowstone So,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: which is an undamned river and doesn't flow through any
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: kind of industrial landscape. Yep, it's just it's like purely
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: like atmospheric contamination.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: So in late twenty twenty four, scientists at the.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no no, because I guess if you if Pennsley
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: caught them below Billings or not.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to that here. Okay. In twenty twenty four,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: signs at MONTANDIQU had completed their analysis and drafted fish
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: consumption advisory warnings for residents to limit or avoid eating
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: fish from several popular waterways. However, for some weird reason,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: those advisories didn't make it to the public until recently
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Those that's completely separate from like existing consumption advices that
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: you can find on the fvp's website for anybody along.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: So let's get into the details here. An acceptable p
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: fast level in drinking water is four parts per trillion. Okay, okay,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: that's what's acceptable for drinking water. Four parts per trillion. Now, Phil,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: go back to number one there. Sure, So this is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: this is I'm looking. This is a chart for four
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: peck if you look all the way to the right. Yep,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: what what that so like? For example, the Northern Pike
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: for twenty six to thirty inches that they they tested,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: they found three point five that that boils down to
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: three thousand, five hundred parts per trillion. Ooh really yeah?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Thousand times? God, yeah, thousand times. Except if you look.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: At a walleye twenty two to twenty six inches five thousand,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: four hundred parts per trillion. So if you eat one
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: walleye that size out of four peck, you're.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Feeding a lot of them that size out of fort peck.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Number two thought I was already dead from the leg.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah you think that's crazy. Look this one East Gallaton River.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Whoa attend to fourteen inch rainbow trout eighteen one hundred
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: parts per trillion.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: But that's fluoro telomere kerboxilic acid.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still bad. My goodness, go the next one, Phil.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Forward to all humans being gone and then millions of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: years to go buy and the planet's cool again.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Man, this is the this is the forever chemicals. That's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: the whole problem.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Though, they'll still be there like dinosaurs running back around again,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: and it'll be like that'll be all contaminated.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: So as you can see with these numbers, it's like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: off the charts.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: In imagine this is an exclusive to Montana.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: No Montana is dealing with it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get to that, but you're you're correct.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's an inciting incident to the story.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: D d Q scientists recommends stringent interim fish consumption advisories
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: based on updated guidance from the the US Environmental protect
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Protection Agency. The proposed advisories included avoid recommendations for several
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: fish species for most of them, yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's like just.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the most severe recommendations of all four Peck reservoir.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: So depending on the waterway. Just for listeners, we got like,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at avoids. Avoids on northeast, Avoids on wally dogs,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Avoids on blue sockers, these are voids on browns Avoids
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: on mountain whities yea.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: And these are for different bodies of water.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Avoids on small MoU.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to give it a general there's an
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: avoid on yellow perch channel cats.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: And it's interesting that that Peck has all those avoids
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: and like, because that's like the downstream terminus of.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: Well, if you look at like, everything ends up there.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: If you look at Canne Fairy, it's not that bad,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: but as you go down the line, it's worse.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Like that whole vigilantie deal. I was telling you this
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: when you first brought this up to me, I said,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: ignore it.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not stopping.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I don't care if you told me that those fish
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: had hand grenades in them.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not stopping eating them.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: So you have a different attitude about this than you
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: do CWD.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I know that that won't be what kills me.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: I know that CWD won't be the thing that kills
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: you either.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: No. No, I'll die have a heart attack later that
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: was caused by p FACT.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Tree branch will fall on you.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. The risks of p fas chemical are still
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: very abstract compared to CWT.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: Sure says got more, but like this stuff is like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: there's been game agencies around the country that are saying, like,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: don't eat ducks from this area. Don't eat dear friend, listen,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: You're wrong, don't you know what. I hope no one
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: eats it, just me personally. I'm not gonna stop eating
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: fish because of this, because there's like a quality of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: life issue.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking like that guy. The guy from earlier
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: the moment will sickly and pale and yeah eating potatoes.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: If if I end up looking like that guy, people
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: are gonna come to me and say, man, you've really
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: done some lifestyle changes that you look great.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: You could use them. Channel catfish disciplined.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: So Montana's final recommendations are significantly less restrictive, Steve, you'll
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: like to hear this good the nose proposed by d
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: q uh go to. I can't stop fro this is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: this is just a snapshot of Montana's current recommendations.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: And it's easy to understand.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a key here. Yeah, there's a key
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: here to look. But anyway, like the obviously that circles
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: with the exes are the do not consider.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: So give me an example of what they're saying don't eat?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: All right, So let's for fort Peck. They're saying a
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: walleye for women and children that's twenty two to twenty
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: six inches. Women and children should eat that.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: Huh what does the two mean for like a twenty o?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: My wife are the final I think that?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Feels per month? Yeah yeah yeah. And then the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: little fish the fish icon is a safe to eat god.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: I mean generally it's like the bigger the fish, the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: less you eat of them.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: Saying like.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: The takeaway is is that that that that the takeaway
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: is that we're ruining the planet.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, there's plastic and everything.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Montana is not alone when it comes to p
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: fast chemicals.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Not ruining it. But degrading it significantly.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: This is a nationwide issue.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: We're not even in the hot zone.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Research indicates, yeah, this is.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: Great Lakes.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, p p A has found P fast and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: freshwater fish on these three m along.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Its wild In Nevada, they've found no P fast and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: fresh water because they found no fresh water in Nevada.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Not joking in Nevada. In Nevada is the only state
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it doesn't have a p fast.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Dot on it.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: So I wonder if that because they haven't tested for it.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's even in the South. There's even stuff in Alaska.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: But then just for people that they're listening and not looking,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: there's just just like dots kind of parts per billion
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: and composite samples and real you know, most of the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: country is very sporadic. The Mississippi's got Boku dots, and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: the Great Lakes all the way out the Saint Lawrence
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Seaway has Boku dots.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: The other the other part of this story too, is
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: that the Montana research was all done, that report was
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: finalized three years ago and they just released it to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: the public.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Big Well.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: They also just had you know, like P fast stuff
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: because California bandits all companies are moving away from P
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: fast because because everybody's just moving away from P fast.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: So waterproofing on jackets is going to go downhill and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: hopefully fish quality will go up. But they're forever chemicals,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: so they're never going to go away.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: M h.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: It's got to keep eating them fish. That's not my recommendation.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: Attention to what you cook in. If you have a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: nonstick pan that's.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Coated, yeah, tough one.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: Licking P fast up.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: I think that hot grease just fries it right out
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: of those.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: That's just saying yeah, tell that'd be like that guy
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: that remember that remember that legislator that said about c
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: w D.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: He's like, just cook it to done, and someone's like,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you have to cook it to un temperature.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: No, it was like like one three hundred degrees or
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Damn One thing I read when doing this research on
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: this is the that data centers are the water cycling
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: through data centers is releasing a shipload of pfast chemicals.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Really, m.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: I had a lot of I had a lot of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: people reach out to me about data centers because they
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: love them. No, people that are are building building them,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: working them things of that nature.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: We got a ton of emails, Thank you everybody. I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: got to go through them.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I got a good Uh, I got a good I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: got a good guest.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm flirting with on that subject matter. Not flirt, that's
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: a terrible word. No, it's chatting. Chatting a journalist. She's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: doing a book on the whole subject. Oh are you done?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: That was a great segment.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna curtail? You're fish eating?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna ask I have.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: I haven't honestly eaten a lot of fish in Montana
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: in the last ever since I got mercury poisoning. A
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: lot of these fish are a lot of it like that.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Stuffy showed a lot of stuff. You're real high mercury
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: You're not eating the fish because of the mercury.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: I just eat all the fat, all my fish consumptions,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: just to Alaska stuff for the most part.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: Huh.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Didn't you also poison yourself with Alaska fish at some point?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: No, white fish, Hawaii fish, golf goldfish.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: They should be you know, people gotta they'll put a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: map up and put a thumbtack everywhere that thumbtack everywhere
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: has been poisoned by You know what d Q should do.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: They should be saying, don't worry about the fish. They
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: should be sampling the anglers.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: For pea fast. Yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: But I always tell my favorite story about my dad's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: buddy that I grew up with one my fishing mentors,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Ron Spring, because he had eaten so much Great Lakes
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: fishes whole life. He was a commercial bait fisherman, so
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: for a living he caught bait and then.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Lived off fish. My dad fished them all the time.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: They used to. He used to go for these routine.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Cognitive tests to test him for all of his exposure
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: to Great Lakes fish. And the punchline of the joke,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: and I always tell this punchline. The punchline of the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: joke is he was telling me about he would go
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: to MSU in Lansing, Michigan periodicly, that can't mem for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: his every six months or every year, and they would
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: give him a list of stuff to remember. He's telling me.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: He'd say, they're like, Ron, you need to go to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: the store and get milk, eggs, mountain dew, right whatever.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Tell him a bunch of things He's supposed to get
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: at the store.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Then he said they'd wait a minute and they'd go,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: what are you supposed to get at the store. And
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I remember he said to me, Steve, I wouldn't remembered
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: that list if I never ate a piece of fish in.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: My whole life. And uh, you know, so they were
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: looking into this back then. Yeah, he loved to be
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: a very old man.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: I sold him a huge snapper turtle one time and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: he knew this other.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: Dude back in your days of illegal stuff.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, because no, because you could get a commercial,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: commercial turtle back then.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I later went to profile him. He was he was old,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: He's an old man, and I was communicating with him
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: and that because I wanted to profile him. I wanted
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: to go out and spend time with him. I was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: pitching it when I was this is when I was
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: writing for Outside magazine, and I was like, I want
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: to do a profile of like a bait fisherman. So
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: he like claps he would go out himself and collect leeches, wigglers, crawlers, shiners, suckermentos,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: like he would be the guy.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: That sold all the live bait.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, a buddy has even started a live bait
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: vending thing.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: That didn't take off a vending machine to buy live bait.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: Did he sell himself or sell to bait chops.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: He had springs outdoors, so he had springs sorry spring
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: sporting goods. But even after spring sporting goods ended, he
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: still supplied bait. That was just his business. His whole life, leeches, wigglers, everything.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to profile him in his eighties. I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: think it was in his late seventies or eighties, because
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, at this point, you know, And he said,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: I have spent my life developing my methods. I view
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: it as proprietary, and I don't want to show anybody.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Dang that he was not worried about dude put him
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: out of business in his I've been I was at
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: his place and he had women that would tie He
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: had women that would do piece work.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Tie in spawn sacks.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Where you take that mesh to use that weddings to
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: put mints and peanuts in.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: That's what they caught, that golden, beautiful golden trout. On
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: the spawns.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: You put like three three salmon eggs, like three chinook eggs,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: a couple of little foam balls.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: So it's buoyant and tie it off.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: He would have women doing piece work tie in spawn
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: sacks and then he put those in those little plastic
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: tubs they sell flies in nowadays when you buy flies,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: and you could go and buy like six spawn sacks
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: tied by Ron Spring. Yep, I just the last story
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: about last story about Rond Spring. When I was a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: little kid, this is terrible. I was fishing with mile Man.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I was a little kid, and we found on the
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: ice a big northern pike someone had just left laying
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: outside the hole, just fro you know.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Fish looks and it's been laying there for and stiff.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: It was frozen stiff.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: My dad picks it up and throws it to me
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: because it's frozen rock solid.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: He throws it to me and I catch it. He goes,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: you caught that pike?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Now, I told Ron Spring. I was probably like five
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: or six. I told Ron Spring, I caught a twenty
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: eight inch pike.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: You felt felt so bad. I called him back and told.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: My lie, wow, I felt so crooked.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: He's an honest man.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Paddygonia is suing a drag queen named Paddy Gonya. Does
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: this individual go by him or heard.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: You know, did you read this? No?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: I thought I saw that.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, Paddy going you, this is a dragon.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you could say drag queen and not
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: get in trouble. Doesn't that seem like a thing you
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to say anymore? But they use it
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: drag queen.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: That's totally fine.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's some things that you this drag queen
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: is Paddy going you?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: According to Patty, she heard when in Drag in Drag
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: she goes by she, and when not in Drag, when
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: Wiley identifies as a gay man who uses he him,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: there you go.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna stick to the character in
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: in Drag. There's a there's a there's a drag.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: There's a climate activist nature environmental activist.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Right here, Patty Gona Patty goes.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: She claims that the whole thing started when she was
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: out hiking and brought some high heels and.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know the craziest part is that she has
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Seth's mustache. Look at this.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was out hiking in high heels. Put out
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: the high heels for a photograph, not Seth's hare no,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: I wish I said, I should have never cut my hair.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: So she was out on a hike. She was out
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: on a hike and.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Took a picture of brought high heels, got to the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: top of some hill, took a picture of her and
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: high heels and dubbed and created a persona a drag
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: queen persona Patty Gonia. She claims that it was not
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: in reference to the clothing company Patagonia. She claims it
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: was in reference to the Argentinian and Chilean the region,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: which is the southern portions of Argentina, Argentina in Chile,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Chilean Patagonia, Argentinian Patagonia.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: The south tip of South America.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw today where Patty Gonia made a video
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: saying that was the inspiration the region. But she has
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: a she sells clothing under Paddygonia, So pat Tugonia or Patagucci,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: pat Tugonia, she should just call herself Patty Gucci.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: And it had been like a double joke.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: They would have gone at Gucci.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they true money.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: You think a mustache is fake?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: No, No, I think it's yeah.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Anyways, in a real bind, here's a I call this
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: a feel good story because it makes me. It makes
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: me laugh, and I called a heartwarming story because it
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: heart warms my heart. I just think it's very funny.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: I've been enjoying the story for two days since it
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: came out. It puts Padigon in a real bind. But
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: it hearkens back to if you remember the dispute between
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: north Face. There was a dispute a long time ago
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: between north Face and South by Phil can you pull
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: up north Face and south But okay, not familiar. So
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: this is twenty years ago. North Face came out. A
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: guy inverted the north Face logo and came out with
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: a clothing line called the South Butt.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: A kid from Missouri and his dad did this. He
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: was like a student.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: They come up with South Butt. North Face is like, hey,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: South Butt, you gotta quit. He says, give me a
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: million bucks and I'll quit. Well, then South Butt took
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: off and I'll say, say it's not for sale anymore.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: So then they come to some kind of undisclosed settlement
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: where he'll stop selling South butt, close signs the settlement
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: and then quickly launches the butt face.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Do you got that one?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: No, quickly launches the butt face as like as like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: a total fu to the north face.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: And then he's found in violation of the deal.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Then they're like, okay, ns enough. So he's like, okay,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I'll quit the south butt. I'm switching to the butt face.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: He had to pay sixty five grand yeah for butt face.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, there it is.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: So then he's like, okay, I'll call it the butt
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: face because they had never stopped climbing. So he's like,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: never stop smiling the butt face. Totally funny. He loses
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: and he's done. So here we are now Patagonia is
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: is toe to toe with Patauh Patty.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: All Right.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: The first thing I thought when I heard this, and
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I've been around, I've been around this this issue, the copyright.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Thing, I've been around a fair bit over the years.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: The first thing I thought was, how is it applicable
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: when there is a place called PATAGONI like, why can't
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: you say no, I mean the place?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: And if you want to think about why that doesn't work,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, let's say I start a online I started
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: a website that sells everything you could ever possibly want,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: and I say I'm gonna call it Amazon, And you're like,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: well you can't because it's already one of those called Amazon.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, no, no, I mean the Jungle and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: like it for all the reasons you can imagine.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Doesn't work to do that, all right.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: What Paddigonia is pressing is like that to stop. They
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: want Patty Gonia to stop selling merch. But there's a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: lot of fan art. So Patty Gonio go on and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: show fan arc that uses the not just the name,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: but the Padagonia logo. And this has been done before.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: There was a gun company that took like an ar
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: and made it look like with the multi colored iconic
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: mountainscape thing. So Patty is saying, Okay, I'll stop using
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: or showing the Patagonia logo, but you gotta lay off
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: on me calling myself Paddy Gonia. That's the deal they're
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: trying to strike. Okay, Paddygonia claims that pat Tugonia has
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: known about her for eight years, but they're cherry picking
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: this political moment, this particular political moment, to make their attack.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: H Okay.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: The question when you get into this kind of stuff
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: is does it cause to a layman? Does it cause
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: brand confusion? I watched one lawyer speaking about it, and
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: the lawyer was saying, brand confusion would be you tell
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: your baby boomer grandma, I want a Patagonia T shirt. Now,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: could this hypothetical baby boomer grandma search that up and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: wind up accidentally getting a Paddy Gonia T shirt? That
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: would be like you've caused brand confusion. In the comment
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: section to this lawyer breaking this down, there's one person
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: that said, and I think they're lying. He said, my
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: parents are boomers. They've never heard of the clothing company Patagonia,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: but they know about Paddygonia. Come on, yeah, another person said.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Another person said, I am a boomer, and I can
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: tell the difference between the clothing brand and a drag queen.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: So you have conflicting things about boomers. We should have
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: brought one in and said, how confused.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Are you by all?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: This an interesting little wrinkle here about trademark use, And
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: this is the part that I've had.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of exposure to.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: When you trademark something, you're trademarking the use of the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: name for a purpose. And I thought, I was trying
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: to think this morning of an example, and I thought
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: of an example. But first I'll say that for thirty
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: three years Patagonia is held they have they held, have
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: held for thirty three years that they have exclusive on
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: selling clothes under Patagonia. Let's say there's a prominent you know,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: like down on the Madison River. There's blacks Ford. Okay,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: there's a well known ford from historic times like that
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: was a reliable, good, safe place to cross the Madison.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Blacks Ford, that's where you would cross. Let's say I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: opened a restaurant at blacks Ford and I called the Ford. Okay,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying I'm opening a restaurant at the Ford
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: called the Ford. Ford Motor Company that's not there. Probably
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: I'm using example, but probably not their business because I'm
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: opening a restaurant.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Called the Ford at the Ford.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: But let's say I later go, man, I've developed a
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: truck which is great for crossing the Ford.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna call it the Ford.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, now you are in Ford is
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: coming after you now because now you're causing brand confusion.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Your truck the Ford.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Which you claim has nothing to do with Ford, it
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: has to do with the Ford at the River.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: A judge is gonna be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: You're creating brand confusion about Ford as a motor vehicle.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: If you're if you're a person who can create a
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: successful restaurant venture in and around Bozeman, and you can
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: invent a motor vehicle, you'll be just fine without that name. Yes,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: an impressive enough, an impressive impressive person, bridge your motors.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, you go and get so if you're establishing a brand.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: If you're establishing a brand, you don't know where the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: brand is going. That's why it's always a good idea
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: to not use a word that's blocked up. Like let's
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: say you're looking at a brand name and that happens
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: to be there's a kayak company with that name, and
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, I want to call my restaurant that,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: But then you realize that they have secured apparel, they've
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: secured a multitude of water sports, and you're later like, well,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be a restaurant. Well, what if
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: you decide you're gonna sell hoodies, like you always gotta
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: be careful you're gonna be I'm gonna sell my favorite knife, Well,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: there's already a knife company using that name, So you
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: always gotta be careful about like where all it's been
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: used in Patagoni situation. This puts them because their audience,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Patagonia's audience is bifurcated. Finance dudes like those vests a lot,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: and they like those black fleeces a lot. There's a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: there's an understandable story about why finance guys love.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: Padda go.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Because there used to be some very exclusive event and
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: they'd give out like a like a vest. But if
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: you didn't get invited to the vest to the event,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: you just go get it anyways, because then it looked
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: like you'd been to the event. And now it just
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: is that they wear Patagonia vests.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: They don't know why they're wearing them.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: No, but there's a history too that you can understand,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: and it's bifurcated to so they have this kind of
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: like right ish right leaning thing, like how many investors
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: have you ever met with a Patagonia jacket?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: They all have one. And then there's like a left
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: leaning element like a real like an Arbor Madison Patagonia
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: type that are diametrically opposed.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: Hiker, biker, yeah, flyfisher.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: So here, Patagonia is kind of like in this position
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: of going after what would almost be sort of like
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: a symbolic height of the left leaning aspect of tolerance
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: and things that would come from their community.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Patagonia's ethos is not right wing finance guys.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: Patagonians kind of et those is.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they take that money. Yeah, they take that money
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: and use it for environmental causes that would ultimately be
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: at odds with the people make giving them all the
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: money by buying all the vests. This is very unscientific.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: It's just like observation if.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: There was like a woke business spectrum that range from
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: like Trump Mobile to Starbucks. Like Patagonia is in the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: Starbucks catch very very Starbucks is always.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Duke, get it out with unions. Now they've kind of
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: lost their like leftiness.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: Point is they're like on this spectrum, they're very far left.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, way woke, that's a good way of putting it.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Way woke.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: And now they're attacking like the fringe woke side of woke.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: But here's why they're in a pickle. If you don't
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: enforce your copyright, it counts against you in future copyright
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: infringement things. Part of having a copyright is it is
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: enforced because if someone goes if I say i'm gonna
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: name something. I'm gonna come up and say, I'm gonna
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: name an aftershave, and I'm calling it Burma shave. Well,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: in the twenties there was Burma shave. It's not around anymore.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: So if Burmashave has gone lax and has not enforced
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: burmashave for two hundred years.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Right, is that with an e oru b you are
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: m a.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Shave.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: And they became famous because they would put these sequential
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: billboards up that would have a message, a rhyming message.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: So I was reminded of this recently because the tourism
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: board in Arizona is putting out burmashave posters even though
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: the product isn't around anymore, just like a nostalgia thing.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Poor example. But what I'm.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Saying is if Padigonia doesn't go after Paddy Gonia.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: And then an ar company.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Uses it, it's hard for them to go after the
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: ar company because it'd be like, but you don't enforce
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: your trademark. You allow all these other people to do it.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: But now you're started to saying you're gonna all of
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: a sudden enforced it with this person. So you have
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: to be diligent that's why they're in a bind. And
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: now Paddy Gonya has made a video saying.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Stop the suit. She's very articulate.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: She says, don't take this out on the employees at Patagonia.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: It's not their problem. Don't be hostile, be respectful. I'll
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: stop using the logo, but they need to stop the
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: lawsuit about me using Paddy.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know where I stand on the whole thing Patagonia.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: Patagonia is suing for one dollar plus legal fees, and
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: then the quote is we wish we didn't have to
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: do this. It says, I.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Wish you didn't have to do everything at work.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: The company companies said. The settlement will require Patagonia to
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: withdraw all trademark applications, stop using Patagona's your logo, stop
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: selling and promoting apparel and other products as Patty gone.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm rooting for. I think like
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm rooting. I feel like I'm rooting
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: for Patty. Who are you rooting for?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Spencer?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: I hope let's go Patty.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Rand, I wish I didn't have to do this.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: But you have to here. You are.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Right who you're rooting for now. I don't want like,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: don't give me some lawyer bs. Just give me, like
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: like in your deep down heart of hearts, who you're rooting.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: For, all right, come on, Randall, who you're rooting for?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Patty Krinn Patty.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: But I understand the trademark.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Thing, dude, I totally understand it. I totallystand. I'm just saying,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: like for the future, I know, but at a point, you've.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Been around so long that you just become like the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: cultural It's like you're you're like the cultural fabric, and
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be around so long and have been like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: so ubiquitous and like in such a part of the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: American dialogue that someone would be able to not like
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: goof on it a little bit.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: I always stand up for parody, you know.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: It's like you're kind of like goofing on it.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: You're goofing on a thing that's just very main Like,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to hurt their business.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: That's the thing is like, is Patagonia the company really
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: gonna like take a financial hit here?
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: But that's not what it's about.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: I know. But I also feel like they've demonstrated their
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: looking out for their own trademark.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I know they're right. I know they're right, but I'm
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: rooting for the other person. I wouldn't do anything different
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: if I was in their shoes.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: They probably need to punt and just make Patty like
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: a spokesperson.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Because what they've done. Because what they've done.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Now, that's why in my notes I have up top
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: puts them in a real by which I mean a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: real pickle. And part of the pickle is that this
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: went from being, Oh, I went to look and see
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: if I could get some, not that I want some,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: just see if I could get Patty going your merch.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Guess what sold out? Do you know what I'm saying.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: It's like one of those deals where careful what you
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: talk about.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, careful what you talk.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: About, because they all of a sudden, I've never heard
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: of this thing that like, I've never heard of the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: brand Pattygonia or the individual Pattygonia, and now.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Streisand the whole world knows about it.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got to be a little bit careful
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: of what you yappen about.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: And my understanding was that they had somewhat of a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: friendly relationship until.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: I know it was like it was very loosey goosey,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: and this lawyer I was looking at was dismissive.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: It was something to do with like hydroflask.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I'll admit I didn't dig into this one
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: as deeply as I would if I were doing a.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 7: Real hard hitting Can we get Patty on the show?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 7: Investigation asked Patty some of these questions.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have Patty go on, you come on
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: the show. She meant to go by a different name
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: while she's here. Depending on how the lawsuit.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: We had avonchard on before, we should have U Paddy
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: like fair and balanced.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Should have them all together a debate. I guess he's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: not involve.
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  Speaker 7: That'd be an ambush set ambushed he didn't tell depends
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 7: if we're hiding.
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  Speaker 2: I wish that it was a long time ago and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: we could have done our story about north Face and South.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: But that's flat out funny. This is different.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that impressed me the most is when I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: went and watched Patty's video explaining the whole situation. I
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: was impressed by the clarity and articulation of the issue.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was oppressed as a presenter. I
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: was impressed, Like speaking of trademarks. How do we do
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: the Bambi thing without getting in trouble?
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  Speaker 2: Because because because certain things after seventy five years ago public.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know if that, like Mickey Mouse, I feel like,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: came up in public domain.
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  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of there's a roll of dice,
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  Speaker 3: the steamboat Willie version of Nick. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When we did our Bamby, we did our Bambi shirt,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that it had gone public Sometimes you
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: roll the dice. Yes, we did a we did a
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Metallica thing. Did the lawyers warned us against? We did
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: a guns and roses thing? The lawyers warned us against.
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  Speaker 2: Bambi is I think Bambie is now public domain. We
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: did an Elmer Fudd. Maybe we rolled the dice on that.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get like a get yelled at by Disney.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who owns Brothers. Seems like he'd be
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: his own man, don't it.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Elmer Fudd, I'll never sell out.
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  Speaker 4: He's catching he's catching tiger trout in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you'll never buy me, you know, ask all
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: these people anyhow.
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