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  Speaker 1: Is the Gold Report tonight, How these two senators just
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  Speaker 1: proves there's a poison in this election that could really
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  Speaker 1: hurt Australia. Plus the Albanize government stalls, and you had
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  Speaker 1: another critical gas plant just when we're short of supplies
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  Speaker 1: plenty more. But first you can tell the primise is
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  Speaker 1: now desperate. You can tell us out of things to
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  Speaker 1: boast about or even to promise. Especially today, you can
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  Speaker 1: tell as desperate and clueless, because now it's reaching into
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  Speaker 1: the slot bucket of dirty, dirty tricks and the eve
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  Speaker 1: of what I suspect will be in us this election,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps in our lifetimes. I showed you already last week,
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  Speaker 1: Labor doctor in a video to make opposite you, Leader
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton seemed to say exactly the opposite of what
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  Speaker 1: he did say eleven years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We're very clear about this, Medicare is dead.
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  Speaker 1: No, as I showed you last week, Dutton was a
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  Speaker 1: fact saying the opposite. He planned to save Medicare. Then
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  Speaker 1: on the weekend we saw another labor dirty trick Home
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  Speaker 1: Affairs mister Tony Burke, this time organizing and hosting mass
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  Speaker 1: citizenship rallies next to the labor marginal seats and turn
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  Speaker 1: them into virtually political rallies for Labor, even excluding a
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  Speaker 1: local non Labor MP, Die Lee, who he had on
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  Speaker 1: the show last night Today Labor MP's. Now that've really
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  Speaker 1: gone even further. They're even trying to suggest Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 1: is a croc without actually daring to say it outside
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  Speaker 1: Parliament where he could sue them for defamation. Get this,
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  Speaker 1: they say, Aha, sixteen years ago, when Dutton was in opposition,
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  Speaker 1: he bought bank shares the day before the rub government
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  Speaker 1: bailed out the banks in the globe financial crisis the
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  Speaker 1: cent years up. Oh that suspicious, even though bank stocks
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  Speaker 1: right then were actually at record lows a bailout was
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  Speaker 1: being touted and making them a good bet. No, suspicious
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  Speaker 1: even though Dutton wasn't actually in the government and they
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  Speaker 1: can't say any inside knowledge of the bailout. Oh No,
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  Speaker 1: still suspicious, they're claiming, even though Dunton declared his investments
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and in the sixteen years since then,
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  Speaker 1: Labor has never once suggested these investments were dodgy. Until now.
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  Speaker 1: Desperation Day, No wonder Coalition Senators Jane Hume and James
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  Speaker 1: McGrath acct UP and Albani's his Finance mister Katie Gallaher
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  Speaker 1: tried in Senate estimates to push this mirror, leading to
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  Speaker 1: this blow up.
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  Speaker 2: In questions, Dad, why don't you.
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  Speaker 3: Say God is just attacking, attacking the leader calling you
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  Speaker 3: know where you have questions throwing question Rubby minister, you're
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  Speaker 3: better than that. Apparently well it was just a coincidence,
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  Speaker 3: was it that there was a lot of shares purchased
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  Speaker 3: the day before a bank that outside this ram going
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  Speaker 3: on a happy coincidence?
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  Speaker 4: Parliamentary privilege?
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  Speaker 1: How castle to defame rub.
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  Speaker 4: I think someone who wants.
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  Speaker 3: Every time you mentioned his name, our poles go up.
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  Speaker 4: So keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Now that cave Galliher that you saw there the Finance
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  Speaker 1: minister in saintly white.
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  Speaker 5: One.
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  Speaker 1: You sorted a smear. She has form. You know, she's
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  Speaker 1: one of the three labor women who were dubbed the
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  Speaker 1: mean girls by the late Labor Senate the Kimberly Kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: And before the last election she played that same filthy game,
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  Speaker 1: that time pushing fake claims that the Liberals had covered
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  Speaker 1: up the rape of Stafford Britney Higgins, discussing claims that
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  Speaker 1: the judge last years said were false, false claims that
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  Speaker 1: put the woman that Gallagher was slamming back then the
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  Speaker 1: defense Minister Linda Reynolds in hospital with stress.
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  Speaker 6: I did answer your questions to the point that you
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  Speaker 6: ground me to the ground and ended me ended up
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  Speaker 6: in hospital. But I'm vaguely I'm answering questions. I'm answering questions.
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  Speaker 4: Were you just age that we put you in hospital?
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  Speaker 4: You just let I put you in hospital? At Senator Reynolds, Well,
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  Speaker 4: if so, you're order, Senator w nobody.
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  Speaker 3: Questions, nobody takes pleasure.
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to respond to having two sorts yell at
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  Speaker 6: me at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Terry P. Galagher's tax then on Linda Reynolds were based
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  Speaker 1: on large You'd being told Reynolds had not ignored Higgins's
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  Speaker 1: rape claims, had not treated Higgins bad, he had not
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  Speaker 1: covered up. And as it happens, Reynolds is now quit
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  Speaker 1: in Parliament and has just asked Gallagher to apologize for
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  Speaker 1: pushing those smears.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to ask you, minister, will you now
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  Speaker 6: apologize not just to me, but to my staff and
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  Speaker 6: my family.
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  Speaker 4: I asked questions that I think most people would expect
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  Speaker 4: would have been asked with such serious allegations about what
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  Speaker 4: has happened in this building and the changes that we
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  Speaker 4: have put in place since to make sure something like
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't happen again.
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  Speaker 6: So that's a no, thank you sir, thank you minister.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's your editorializing Reynolds.
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  Speaker 1: Do you anologize to staff telling how does she look
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  Speaker 1: in the mirror? That woman? I don't get it. And
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  Speaker 1: now this attacking Peter Dutton, well I think it tells
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  Speaker 1: you actually a lot more about labor, and especially Katie Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: who is Finance Minister, by the way, is now leaving
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  Speaker 1: us with ten years to come of budget deficits that
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  Speaker 1: is admitted by labor. Ten years to come. And if
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  Speaker 1: that is the Albanizi government's legacy, a poorer, more divided
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  Speaker 1: country buried in debt, no one day. It's already resorted
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  Speaker 1: to smears to get re elected. Now, what's far more
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  Speaker 1: serious to our future than Peter Dutton buying bank shares
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years ago is whether we have cheaper power and
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  Speaker 1: enough of it And the answer to that just gets
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  Speaker 1: worse and worse. The latest bad news is that this
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  Speaker 1: Albanezi government is delaying making a decision are letting the
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  Speaker 1: gas giant Woodside extend its operations at sea off northwest
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  Speaker 1: with in Australia. Now, Woodside has worked for six years
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  Speaker 1: so far to get approvals for an extension. More years
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  Speaker 1: to come of exploiting this very same site. No wonder
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  Speaker 1: Gas companies, by the way, are warning that Australia is
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  Speaker 1: becoming an ogo zone for investors. Six years now, Western
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  Speaker 1: Australia's Labor government has finally said oh fine, okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: But Tangya Privosek the Aveneze government's environment and said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: this project could somehow damage rock art that's on shore
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  Speaker 1: at the Barrett Peninsula, some of maybe a million or
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  Speaker 1: more examples of this art that's not far from a
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  Speaker 1: Woodside gas plant there. Now, the head of Woodside said
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  Speaker 1: today she could not believe there were now more hold ups.
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  Speaker 2: It's taken six years already now. It took the state
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  Speaker 2: government six years to go through all the appeals process.
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  Speaker 2: But it really is hard to understand why the Commonwealth
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  Speaker 2: Department of Environment needs more time since they've had the
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  Speaker 2: same information for that whole six years.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: If this rocker is so important and truly is being
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  Speaker 1: damaged by Woodside, which it denies, there's a solution. Why
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  Speaker 1: not pick up a lot of the best examples, put
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  Speaker 1: them in a museum where lots of people can see it,
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  Speaker 1: and keep it out of the weather. Which I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: is probably the real villain in this piece if anything. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: the Greens and Teal Independent in piece like Kate Cheney,
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  Speaker 1: they're actually dead against the Woodside extension. They're climb at extremists.
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  Speaker 1: And Minister Plebisek is now saying, well, I can't decide
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  Speaker 1: on this until after the election, which is very convenient,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. It dodges a fight and it leaves this
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  Speaker 1: as something Labor can trade after the election for the
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  Speaker 1: Teal support to make it support the government in a
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  Speaker 1: hung parliament. Nonsense, the Prime Minister said today.
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  Speaker 7: Prime Minister Wise, the government delayed a decision on the
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  Speaker 7: Woodside Run Northwest Shelf gas project.
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  Speaker 1: Are you just playing politics?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 3: If that could be demand though of Kate Chang in
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  Speaker 3: a minority government is what are you going to do there?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
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  Speaker 6: These matters before the Environment Minister. The Environment Minister response
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  Speaker 6: in according to the law.
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  Speaker 1: Look if holding up a project for six years already
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  Speaker 1: are now more to come? If that's the law, the
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  Speaker 1: law is an ass joining me every Tuesday's National Senator
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  Speaker 1: Mat Canavan, the former Resources Minister Mac Canavan, thanks to
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  Speaker 1: your time. Is that rock art in any real danger
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  Speaker 1: from this woodside project?
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  Speaker 9: No, it's not, Andrew. I've been there to the Barrett
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  Speaker 9: Peninsula and seeing the rock art. It's beautiful, pristine, it's
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  Speaker 9: in a great, great shape. The Karatha gas plant there,
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  Speaker 9: it's part of the Northwest Shelf project has been operating
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  Speaker 9: for over forty years now and there's absolutely no evidence
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  Speaker 9: that is in any way damaged that work. As you've said,
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  Speaker 9: we should seek to protect that do what we can.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think we necessarily need to move it. It's,
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  Speaker 9: as I say, in good shape there and it attracts
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  Speaker 9: a lot of tourists. And if we don't proceed with
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  Speaker 9: this project, keep in mind that it's not just about
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  Speaker 9: stopping a new project and new wealth being created. This
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  Speaker 9: will this could completely close the Karatha gas plant long
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  Speaker 9: term because we do not get new gas supplies, do
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  Speaker 9: not get this extension, then a thousand people be out
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  Speaker 9: of a job and some of the worst victims of
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  Speaker 9: that any decision like that would be the Aboriginal people,
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  Speaker 9: especially the young Aboriginal people of the Barret Peninsula. They'll
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  Speaker 9: be impacted more than any because many of them I
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  Speaker 9: know and I met. I've met a number of times,
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  Speaker 9: and I've been up there at work in this wonderful industry.
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  Speaker 9: We're one of the world's largest gas exports. We used
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  Speaker 9: to be the largest LNG exporter, but the US has
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  Speaker 9: overtaken us because they haven't got as many stupid green
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  Speaker 9: climate policies as we do. But yet, if this plant
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  Speaker 9: doesn't proceed, there'll be a fifth of our gas exports
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  Speaker 9: taken off the tables, our third biggest export now and
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  Speaker 9: even more than that too. It goes beyond just gas.
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  Speaker 9: There's a new urea plant being built on the Barrett
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  Speaker 9: Peninsula right now. We don't make urea anymore. It's the
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  Speaker 9: most important fertilizer for food production. About half our food
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  Speaker 9: is made with that fertilizer. We don't make any of
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  Speaker 9: it in Australia now. We used to in Brisbane, but again,
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  Speaker 9: stupid green policies mean we import it all and if
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  Speaker 9: we don't again, if we don't get the extension going
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  Speaker 9: for the North West Shelf project, that urea plant won't
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  Speaker 9: be able to go ahead. It needs the gas from
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  Speaker 9: this project to make this fertilizer to grow food, and
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  Speaker 9: so any government worth its salt right now that wants
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  Speaker 9: to grow our country, wants to protect our food security,
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  Speaker 9: wants to provide good jobs and economic futures for young
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  Speaker 9: Aboriginal people, would be rushing over themselves to support and
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  Speaker 9: approve this project. Yet we've held it up for six years. Now,
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  Speaker 9: kids go through primary school in a quicker timeframe than
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  Speaker 9: we take just to do a bit of paperwork, and
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  Speaker 9: maybe we do need we do need that musk approach here.
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  Speaker 9: All of these bureaucrats presiding over this approval should be asked,
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  Speaker 9: what have you done the last week? Give us the
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  Speaker 9: five top points, because a BUCA of that should be
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  Speaker 9: over three hundred and three hundred weeks. What have they
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  Speaker 9: done over three hundred weeks to get this done?
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  Speaker 1: Look, you can blame the bureaucrats, but overseeing this all
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  Speaker 1: are the politicians who pass all these les, all set
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  Speaker 1: up all these hoops and then delay and delay and delay.
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  Speaker 1: What's really going on here.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that is true is a lack of political will.
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  Speaker 9: Has noted about that if a minister wanted this decision
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  Speaker 9: to come to his or her desk, herd esk here
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  Speaker 9: in tenure, plypuss case that would happen. There's no doubt
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  Speaker 9: that would happen, and there's no justification for this. It
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  Speaker 9: all is an embarrassment, embarrassment for our country. And even
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  Speaker 9: if we are to sign off on this extension, of course,
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  Speaker 9: the problem is the message that this sends the world
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  Speaker 9: is a terrible one, especially time when you have a
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  Speaker 9: rejuvenated US administration which is sending a message to the
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  Speaker 9: world of drill, baby drill. The capital that would otherwise
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  Speaker 9: have come here to create jobs is clearly going overseas.
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  Speaker 9: Santos has said that other oil and gas companies have
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  Speaker 9: said that there's a lot easier to do business in
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  Speaker 9: the United States, and so they'll go there. Bluescope said
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  Speaker 9: that the other week, not just in gas steal, one
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  Speaker 9: of our two last steal makers says the same. So
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  Speaker 9: we are playing with fire here in our country if
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  Speaker 9: we don't get into shape soon, because we've had some
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  Speaker 9: good times, we've had a pretty good economic time, but
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  Speaker 9: I really worry we're going into rougher waters here and
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  Speaker 9: if we continue to muck around with these stupid green
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  Speaker 9: policies that no one else is doing. Anymore, we'll just
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  Speaker 9: make Australians poorer and whenever we wake up to ourselves
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  Speaker 9: it might just be a bit too late.
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  Speaker 1: I do just think the art is just the part
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  Speaker 1: of our greatest scam has been played. We've seen Averagettle
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  Speaker 1: heritage used as an excuse by Greens to other gas
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  Speaker 1: projects as well, notoriously one North of the Team or Alands.
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  Speaker 1: You might recall that the Environmental Defender's Office was called
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  Speaker 1: out peddling porkies on that one. Labour's attacks on Peter
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  Speaker 1: Dutton today that he bought bank shares the day before
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  Speaker 1: the Rudd Labor government bailed out the banks. The Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister today said, well, Dunton's question to answer, presumably whether
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  Speaker 1: he had a tip inside a knowledge.
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  Speaker 9: Your response, well, Peter Dutton declared, this is appropriate. Sixteen
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  Speaker 9: years ago. He's been a minister in three different governments
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  Speaker 9: over that period. He was an aspirant to be the
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  Speaker 9: leader or be the Prime minister at the time with
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  Speaker 9: the leadership change the Liberal Party. And of course if
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  Speaker 9: you're opposition leader now for a number of years and
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  Speaker 9: to me, if the Labor Party had a real issue
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  Speaker 9: with this, they would have raised that at some point
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  Speaker 9: during that period just happens to be aarliwake's out from
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  Speaker 9: an election. So I think the timing says it all.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think Peter has got anything to worry about here.
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  Speaker 1: And it's of course denied it as well. The Labor
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  Speaker 1: Parties given no evidence to back up its suggestion, which
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't dare repeat outside Parliament. I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: so desperate. They've actually got team think of this, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: They've actually got teams of people going through things like
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  Speaker 1: this is personal records hoping to do a gotcha on
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  Speaker 1: him sixteen years after the event, instead of giving us
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  Speaker 1: maybe better policies, better governance.
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  Speaker 9: May maybe reassign those people. Maybe reassign those people to
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  Speaker 9: get the Northwest Shelf project approved, Sack the dirt, you
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  Speaker 9: start the jobs unit.
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  Speaker 5: That going.
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  Speaker 1: Well done and we're back to the start. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much, Matt Canavan. After the break, two senators played
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  Speaker 1: dangerous politics with religion and race the election. This is
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  Speaker 1: really nice. We've got to hope that Australians will push
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  Speaker 1: back at this election to a new poison in our politics.
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  Speaker 1: Politicians exploiting identity politics, politicians running a race agenda or
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  Speaker 1: one disguised as a religious agenda. Two politicians in particular.
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  Speaker 1: One is race bating Senator Lydia Thorpe, who identifies as Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 1: even though seven of her eight great grandparents are actually white,
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  Speaker 1: and she's not running in this election. She's got another
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  Speaker 1: three years to go on a term, but she wants
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  Speaker 1: more race warriors like her to stand and to seize
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  Speaker 1: power and charge white people rent.
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  Speaker 10: When we need to start our iron flags into our
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  Speaker 10: own land.
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  Speaker 1: And the colony.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The problem with playing that kind of race politics is
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  Speaker 1: that politicians wul do it are usually seduced into becoming
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  Speaker 1: even more radical to get the attention and the loyalty
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  Speaker 1: of the extremists. You see it with Lydia Thorpe already,
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  Speaker 1: but you also see it with the other men as
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  Speaker 1: here Senator Fatima Payman, who ranted on labor when it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't pro palaestinie enough now as an independent so radically
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  Speaker 1: Muslim that she now has praised Iran, which is an
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  Speaker 1: Islamist and fascist country that sponsors terrorist groups and oppresses
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  Speaker 1: it's people, particularly women. She praises a propaganda at a
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  Speaker 1: propaganda event at Western Sydney University and in an interview
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  Speaker 1: to Iranian state television.
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  Speaker 7: Incredible place that Iran is allowing for women to participate
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  Speaker 7: in the workforce to ensure that they have a voice
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  Speaker 7: and their voices are heard, they're involved in the democratic process.
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  Speaker 7: Realities that we're not privy to living here and listening
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  Speaker 7: to the propaganda that we receive from very single sided
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  Speaker 7: organizations with a specific agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the sickest thing about that common is that Payment
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  Speaker 1: knows Iran actually oppresses women, arrests them, beats them if
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  Speaker 1: they don't cover their hair, just for a start. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: Payment her self attacked Iran after its morality police arrested
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  Speaker 1: Marsa Amini for not fully covering her hair and left
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  Speaker 1: her dying three days later. Back then, Payment attacked Iran
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  Speaker 1: as an oppressive regime, silencing dissent and denying fundamental rights
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  Speaker 1: to its people. But since her talk praising Iran, she's
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  Speaker 1: now deleted her past criticisms, as if she was embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: to have called out the truth. Joining me is the panel.
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  Speaker 1: Will Kingston, hosts of far at Will, a podcast from
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  Speaker 1: an these spectator in politics and culture, and Scarne's host
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  Speaker 1: a Niki de Giorgio, now with her own show here
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  Speaker 1: every Friday at five pm. Will Payment isn't up for
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  Speaker 1: reelection this election either another three years ago. A Muslim
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  Speaker 1: vote group that supports her is backing other Muslim candidates.
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  Speaker 1: A joiner in Parliament. How serious is this?
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  Speaker 5: Incredibly serious? I hadn't seen those comments from Payment. They
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  Speaker 5: are absolutely jaw dropping. It is incredibly serious. Andrew. We've
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  Speaker 5: already seen via the teels how a group of well funded,
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  Speaker 5: smaller parties or activist independents can get into the House
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  Speaker 5: of Representatives. And there's no reason why you couldn't see
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  Speaker 5: something similar happening in electorates which have large Islamic populations.
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  Speaker 5: And if that was to happen, what I think you
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  Speaker 5: would see is you'd see an alliance between hardcore Islamic
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  Speaker 5: representatives and the looney left, of which you've just named
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  Speaker 5: two politicians. And you'd see things like blasphemy laws being
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  Speaker 5: pushed for. We're already seeing those effectively coming in in
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  Speaker 5: the UK, or at least they will. You will see
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  Speaker 5: a push for more migration from fundamentalist Islamic countries. I
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  Speaker 5: think you'll see less protection for Jewish people in the community.
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  Speaker 5: You see all these sorts of things which are absolutely
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  Speaker 5: poisonous to our democracy. It's something we have to be
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: very very conscious of and something which again it can happen,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and we've seen that it can happen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think if they're in the Senate along with Payment,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it could be even worse because they've got a real
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: blocking power there if they're the swing votes. Danika, what
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: do you make of this?
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  Speaker 10: Well, firstly, Andrew, in regards to Lydia Thorpe, I would say,
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: if we look back, we were taken to the polls
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: to divide us by race, and sixty percent of us
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: said no to that division. So it's extraordinary that she
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: keeps going on these tangents. But as for Fatima Payment,
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: let's not forget that she fled Afghanistan, she fled oppression
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: under the Taliban for a better life. Than to come
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: out and praise Iran and say that Iran is so magnificent.
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  Speaker 10: I just find that breathtaking that we have a senator
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: in our parliament that would say something like this. My
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: concern moving forward, Andrew, is that we continue to have
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: these people in our parliament who do not represent Australian
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: values and don't represent our views. They represent a very
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: small minority and they're putting them first, and I worry
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: that we're heading down the pathway and what we're seeing,
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: for example in the UK in their local elections, where
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: you have local Muslim candidates winning shouting aluakba when they
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: do win, and that is the dangerous turning point. We
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: don't have people representing our values. So yeah, and answer
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: to your question, I think that this is incredibly dangerous
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  Speaker 10: but breathtaking statement by fat of a payment.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the problem is that the Senate is actually
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: set up. It was supposed to represent states, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: states equally, but it is set up to actually encourage
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing inadvertently, because you don't need to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: appeal to one hundred percent. You don't need to appeal
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to fifty one percent of Australians. You just need to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: get a Senate seat to I don't know, get about
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  Speaker 1: ten percent even less, and you still get a seat
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: there as long as they're really committed, are really committed
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: ten percent. And that's what's happening now is a radicalization
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: will this whole It's like the Internet, particularly in America,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you only need to appeal to one percent of the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the people there the crazy one percent, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you've already got a huge platform, a lot of money.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you have. Although I will say that this is
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: where I really do thank God for the Australian preferential
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: voting system in the House of Representatives, because in the UK,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: for example, where you have non compulsory voting and first
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: past the post, if you do mobilize that ten to
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: twenty percent, who will all votse the block, you really
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: can change the dynamics of an electorate very very quickly.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: And with the Democrat I think change that you are
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: seeing across the anglosphere now, Andrew, and that the proportional
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: share of Islamic people in the population is going up
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: remarkably quickly. Impulsory voting and preferential voting do act as
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: a bullwark against that be right in the Senate less.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So yes, I'm afraid. So I think how Senate really
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: needs reform, but no one ear the guts to do it,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and the Senate will vote to keep its current membership.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So it's a dreadful system. There's a lot of fear
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: at the moment to think about Donald Trump supposedly selling
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: out Ukraine to Russia. I've attacked Trump for last week
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: blaming Ukraine for starting the war, which is false. Three
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: days ago, Trump did admit that Russia in fact started it,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and the French president Emmanuel Macron has rushed the US
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to persuade Trump not to betray Ukraine and even dared
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to contradict him in their press conference.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: Of Look, Europe is loaning the money to Ukraine, they
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: get their money back to be to be Frank we be.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: We paid sixty percent positive thy fouls and it was
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: laid the US LOS guarantee.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Grunts and we provided the money.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: If at the end of the day the legotiion, we
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: will know with Lusha they're ready to give it to
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: us super if we've did on at the end of
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: the delevationion, we'll have fit for that. If you preplay
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: with that, it's.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Okay with me. Nika, I said that Trump's language about
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Ukraine has been reckless and moral and damaging, that I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: actually won't believe it's sold out Ukraine to Russia until
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: he actually has. I think it's an open question here,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what do you take out of all this?
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: I agree with you. I don't think he's sold out
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: Ukraine just yet, though I do not like his dialogue
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: about it. I think he's been dead set wrong on
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: this issue from the beginning. But I think that Donald
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: Trump simply wants this war to be over. It's something
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: he mentioned multiple times throughout this campaign that the war
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: wouldn't have started under his watch.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: But also from a.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: US perspective, they spent billions and billions of dollars giving
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: it to you with really nothing back to them.
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: I mean, this war.
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: A lot of experts have said Andrew that this war
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: is not winnable, that Ukraine must now come to the table.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Both sides need to come to the table to end this.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: So I look at it from that perspective. I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: that's what Donald Trump was trying to save, even though
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: I think he's gone about it extremely wrong. I think
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: it's a wake up call to Zelenski that something has
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: to give. It can't keep going down this pathway. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: I think Donald Trump is simply saying here, hey, enough
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: is enough.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Russian is a wake up because
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: they're the aggressives here. Let's see what they will do.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Will Kingstendinneika to Georgio, thank you both for your time.
• 25:39
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• 25:46
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