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View From The Street - Burnham's Britain: Hope, Hype and Hard Questions · The Discussion Podcast

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This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell, supported by Back to the Garden Childcare,
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where learning grows naturally.
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So, good afternoon, Rod. How are you doing? Not too, well, mixed, James, mixed.
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The day is lovely, the sun is shining, at least Spain won the world cup but
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still still trying to get over england's falling apart in the semis,
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nightmare just backed off and didn't do anything backed off uh no plan and no
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no attacking serves no sacker no rashford just sit back deep block do you know
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i this episode of view for the street i think could have been sack tucco or not,
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but there you go that's a totally different thing okay well we decided with
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the because the world got finished yesterday with spain winning which was a
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win for world it was a win for the world because argentina fouling oh it was
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like it was like rugby versus football i,
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remember they did it against england they literally foul everyone and the referee
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doesn't do anything about it yeah but spain.
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I'm spain with the best team thankfully and football won the day they did all,
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right and on that football note we're happy and because andy burnham is his
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first day in charge today or his first day as prime minister we're going to
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ask the people of watching them what they think it's a huge day it's the start
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of burnham's vision for britain,
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is it something like our 9th,
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p.m in 10 years or 7th p.m in 10 years it's something like that it's definitely
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fifth in four years it's well it's i think in 10 years i think we've had something
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like seven because we've had cameron,
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And we had Theresa May. We had... Truss.
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Boris Johnson. Sorry, Truss, Boris Johnson. Yeah.
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And we've had... Rishi Sunak. Yeah. And Kirstarmo. And now...
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And now Burnham. So it'd be interesting if people feel optimistic about what Burnham will bring.
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But yeah, I'm going to be interested, really interested. We're going to unpack
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this topic, aren't we, Rod?
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And I think we're also going to ask them if there is any bonus in the fact that
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he's got such connections with manchester in the north is that is that a good
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thing well he's already talked about doing some some ministerial work up in the north as well.
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Number 10 in the north now whether that's just a a gimmick you know but,
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i i i'm feeling positive i'd just be interested if the people of voltrium feels
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positively about it he actually wants to work hybrid and wants to work some
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of his work in manchester oh
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i i think he's taken a modern approach even though even the small things he's
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done so far, I think you're going to see a very modern, connected prime minister, I hope.
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But I remember when we stood here two years ago, you thought that Starmer made
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a good start and he did some good things.
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Do you think this is an improvement on Starmer? Yeah, I think so.
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Because personally speaking, Starmer was a good man, right?
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He had the right conscience, etc. But he just could not reach the people.
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He couldn't communicate. And I think 60% of what Prime Minister needs to do
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is communicate and communicate confidently and engage people.
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Starmer can do that. He was too academic as a person, too stiff and,
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On the international stage, I think he did us a great job. But,
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you know, it's, what, is it two years of this government and we've had a change, you know?
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But the Labour Party at least have got behind Burnham because they didn't force
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the leadership election. And that's actually how would be helped us because
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we didn't need that kerfuffle all the way through the summer.
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Yeah, I agree. Smooth landing, smooth ride. Smooth transition,
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you know? Let's just hope it is. Let's see what he's got in his locker.
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Yeah. And let's see if he's fresh and he's ready for the job.
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And let's see if the people of Ultrium believe he is. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.
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This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell, supported by...
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Where little explorers grow naturally. So, good afternoon, sir.
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On the cusp of Andy Burnham becoming PM, we're asking people how do they feel
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about Burnham's Britain? Are they feeling optimistic?
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Do they feel like there'll be something different? Or do you think it's going
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to be the same old, same old? How do you feel? Well, I feel that he ought to
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be given a chance. I think a lot of people are already prejudiced against him
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before he's been given a chance.
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I think he ought to be given the opportunity to tell us what he's got in mind
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and people should not be prejudging him. He needs to be given a chance.
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And what he's done here in Manchester, and for me as almost a scycer coming
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into Manchester, what he's done was fantastic.
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I see that as a good sign for what could come in the future with him.
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Well, as somebody who's actually had personal dealings with him on a specific
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subject, I found him very open-minded, very engaging, and he did what he said on the tin.
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That seems to have been replicated across what we've seen in Manchester.
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So again, it's important that
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people give him a chance. People have got preconceived ideas about him.
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Really important, he has a chance to do what he says he's going to do.
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And he does seem to be taking a wider approach he does seem to be trying to
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engage the country rather than just factions within the country would you agree,
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i agree with that clearly he's got a northern agenda which is no bad thing it
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is not people in the deep south will probably say they need to be looked after
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but i think he's open-minded about that and the likelihood is therefore that he will be
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for the whole country and not just the south and it's about time too
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and is this number 10 of the north a bit of a gimmick or do you think he's,
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serious about it I think he's serious about it.
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But again, it doesn't mean he's going to neglect the South. I think it's showing
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he's open-minded to looking after the whole country, which is what a prime minister should do.
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Very good. Thank you very much indeed. It's awesome. Thank you for your time. Thank you.
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The Late Late Lunch Show with Back to the Garden Childcare. Natural beginnings for bright futures.
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So good afternoon, sir. Welcome to View from the Street with me,
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Jay Spence and Rob Maxwell. So today we're asking people about Andy Burnham
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and as Burnham begins today, Burnham's Britain.
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And I just wanted to know whether you're feeling hopeful and optimistic or do
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you feel it's just more of the same?
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Yeah, I don't know. I think a change is good, but too much change is bad,
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as evidenced by the Tories and, you know, their constant changes.
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But yeah, generally optimistic, stick wasn't,
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a huge fan of starmer but you know he he actually did deliver on some stuff,
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socially not so much in my opinion but yeah i don't know i as far as i know
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i'm not from the north but he's been doing a good job in manchester so hopefully
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you can translate that into something,
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in in the pm seat yeah yeah it's gonna be an improvement then,
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i don't know fingers crossed hopefully.
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I was a big fan of the scrapping of digital IDs. I think for me that's a big
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positive very early on, so hopefully.
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Do you think it was successful here in Manchester?
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I don't know. I'm not from Manchester, so I can't tell, but people seem to like
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him. My mates in Manchester seem to think he's been a good mayor.
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He was mayor right here, yeah?
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I know he's been good with public transport, as far as I can know. But yeah, hopefully.
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At this point, that's all I can really do. Okay. Last question.
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Do you think that there's a problem with British politics? The fact that we're
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having seven prime ministers in 10 years, Do you think this is a fall of Brexit,
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maybe ripping up the economic system and our financial system and our political
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system and that that's why all this has happened and this instability and what's going on?
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I don't necessarily think, I mean, I'm not a fan of Brexit. I voted Remain.
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I don't think, I don't think, I think Brexit is definitely one of the causes.
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I don't think it can, everything that we've got wrong going on can be tied back to Brexit.
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I think in the age of social media, I think attention span and all of that being
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kind of destroyed is really bad.
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People aren't accepting that improvements take time and are just constantly
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wanting things to get better and are just unwilling to accept that things will
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take time and just want change now.
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And I think people need to be more patient and let.
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The the the politicians take their time to actually enact change and see it happen,
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they almost want insta yeah politics don't they yeah if it doesn't if it doesn't
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apply instantly they have no time for a plan yeah exactly,
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but i don't know maybe i i think a part of that is also i think that labor have
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been really bad with with like messaging and and,
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like putting out what they're actually doing you know they've actually you know you know,
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i'm i'm not i'm quite pro immigration but you know i think uncontrolled immigration is probably bad but like,
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they've actually been had quite good numbers and you know pulling numbers down
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which is what the far right wants but there there seems to be no actual like,
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conveying that message out to to the people who want to hear it and yeah yeah i don't know,
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hopefully hopefully we see we seem to get better but,
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well they could only go one way can't they really,
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all right well thank you very much indeed No worries.
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This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell. Supported by...
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Childbed Learning in Nature's Playground So good afternoon, madam.
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Today on Fufin Street, we're asking people what to think about Burnham's Britain.
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Are they feeling positive? Are they feeling negative? They don't know.
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And you've just been talking to me about one of the things that happened under
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his role as Greater Manchester Mayor, which is bike lanes.
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And you were saying there's been a bit of a reversal on bike lanes down where
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you live. There was a reversal, a big reversal.
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I went down to go to the local shop and the traffic going into Manchester. I live in West Timpley.
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The traffic going into Manchester, one lane of cars was at a standstill.
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The traffic coming out of Manchester into Altrincham, a standstill, one lane of cars.
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And then I looked and there was like an eight, ten foot bike lane with no bikes in.
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So I just think that it's a bit of a numbskull.
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So does that make, I know you tell me that that's been reversed since.
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Oh yeah, it was only there a very short time because of all the complaints, obviously.
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Was it a trial or was it actually thought out, sort of implemented plan or was it a trial?
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I don't know that, but I know there was lines there. There was definite,
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you know, demarcation for the bikes going in and the bikes coming out.
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So it was done properly.
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So does that make you concerned that he might do some things that tick the boxes
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of certain agenda and they are not necessarily practical? Yeah.
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Yes, quite true. I do think that.
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I just didn't think he'd thought that out at all. I just thought he thought,
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oh, this is a good idea. I'll show them what I'm going to do.
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And so it was rubbish.
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Well, I hope he's a little bit better on economic, foreign, and health policy. So do I. So do I.
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So do I. We've had something like, is it six or seven prime ministers in the
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last 10 years? Is it the impossible, Joel?
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Well, I don't even think Starnham did a much better job, do you?
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I mean, what did he actually do? He was always, I suppose he was abroad a lot,
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trying to get... Stormer. Yeah.
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Yes. Yeah, build relations with Ukraine and Europe. Yeah, he was.
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But what did he do for Britain, really? Yeah, yeah. You know,
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that's what needs to happen, something for us.
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I personally think the issue with Burnham was that he was almost so academic.
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He was such a big thinker.
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He didn't have the gift of being able to talk to ordinary people,
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to Starmer, Starmer, Starmer, Starmer, sorry.
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He didn't have that kissing babies and hugging grandmas type thing.
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And as a leader you need to be a practical all-rounder perhaps Burnham has got
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that gift he can talk to people can't he can he can actually organise something that nobody wants.
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Well he could talk a good game maybe he could yeah and we need somebody to talk
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a good game for Britain don't we yeah we do and play a good game so maybe maybe
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he will do well give him a chance I'll give everybody a chance but he's hoping now,
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we'll see you in a year's time and we can come back and mark his cards shall we we'll be here,
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love you see you thanks so good afternoon today on few fifth street we're asking
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people about burnham's britain are they feeling optimistic are they feeling
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pessimistic are they're not sure
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you're you're a young voter what's your view on what he's said so far and what
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he might bring his prime minister well
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i'm a lot more optimistic about him than starmer i think he'll do a lot better
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than starmer especially what he's done in manchester with like transport and everything,
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but he has been a bit controversial especially his views on like israel and
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stuff like that so we'll see how he does i'm not sure but i've got more hope in him,
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can i ask um i think it's something like six prime ministers in the last 10
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years which is almost more
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seven isn't it you're right okay we're on seven one time and it's that's more
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than england's had managers actually do you i mean do you think it's like the
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impossible job why do so many people mess it up in your view,
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Well, the country's just so divided, I think. Obviously, the rise of reform
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and everything like that is just so divided. I don't think everyone's going
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to be happy with everything, but you're never going to win, I don't think.
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And is there anything we can take from the fact that, as a scouser,
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because he is an Evertonian fan, for example, Burnham came in to be mayor of Greater Manchester.
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A lot of people feel that he's brought a unity and he's brought a direction
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and he's brought an energy to the city. Do you think that gives any hope for
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his role as Prime Minister?
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Yeah, definitely. I think he's brought loads of like, everyone in Manchester
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likes him, most people. I know loads of people that love him.
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I think he's done a lot for Manchester, but I think obviously half the country
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love Farage. So I don't know how he's going to deal with that.
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But I think he is hopeful. I think a lot of people like him.
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So yeah, and he's very chill. He's more relaxed.
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And what was the problem with Sarmer in your view? Was it that he was a bit
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too stiff, not a good communicator?
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He was quite stiff He was also very like U-turns Did a lot of U-turns Didn't
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know what he wanted Not clear Yeah I don't think he was as bad As people made him out to be But,
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He wasn't The right fit One last question As a young person A young voter What
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for you Is the biggest issue That this new government Needs to tackle,
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I think they mostly just need to fight the rise of reform because it is a really
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big issue and it is really scary to see.
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Is it reform or is it the right-wing ideology?
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Yeah, all right-wing stuff. Well, mostly reform with Farage and what they want
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to do in the policies. It's just very scary as a woman and as a young person.
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Okay, well, thanks for stopping. No problem. It's good to get your review.
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This is The Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell. Supported by...
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Where little explorers grow naturally So good afternoon today on Views of the
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Street and Radio Alty We're asking people about Burnham's Britain Are they feeling
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pessimistic, optimistic, neutral about it? You're a young voter, what's your view?
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What's my view? Right, if Andy Burnham was going to be good He needs to focus
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on three things like Trump said Immigration, energy and crime That's what Keir
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Starmer's failed on They're the three things Keir Starmer's failed on And Andy Burnham,
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needs to fix them three things to fix the country I believe It's crazy.
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I actually see the UK as losers because Norway buys the oil from the North Sea
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and we still buy our oil from Norway and Norway have made some few trillion
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off the North Sea oil and they don't even have the best bit.
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We have the best bit. So why on earth are we paying for...
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So yeah, just drill the North Sea, forget green energy, it's too expensive,
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it's a waste of time. And I tell you what, 90% of the oil in that North Sea is still there.
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So you probably saw over the weekend that there seems to be a bit of a backtrack now on the energy.
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And you're a young person, but you believe it's a signed move,
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it's a positive move. Yeah, very positive indeed.
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I generally think it's the right idea, because places like Aberdeen,
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They've been losing money and losing jobs in Aberdeen and been told to work
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on green energy, which in fact, Dave, which green energy jobs pay only half
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of what they pay in the North Sea oil.
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So I think it's brilliant news. I don't think it'll fix everything. But again, I think...
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What about, sorry, what about moving to energy that's more renewable in the
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long term though? Because they're always going to run out eventually.
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They're going to run out eventually. But for now, I think we drill the North Sea.
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I think for the next few centuries, I think for the next few decades.
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I don't think it'll last centuries, but a few decades at least.
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Can I ask you, as a young voter, a young person in Britain, over and above energy
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policy, what else is really important to you? Crime.
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I think people like Sadiq Conner, and this is very not to do with Andy Burnham,
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but there's things on the street like people getting stabbed on the street,
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and I generally believe that needs to be cut down 100%. We need tougher police.
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We definitely need tougher police because I think our police force is very weak, actually.
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And I generally think that because like people like Sadiq Khan for an example
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say oh London's a safe place London's safe and why is it every time every week
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I keep hearing crime going on like people getting stabbed up on the street it's wrong
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it's absolutely terrible and it needs to be sorted out because honestly our
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crime rate's going up through the roof so so
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in summary do you think this is a good move away from Stormer to Burnham.
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Don't know. Because since Tony Blair, our country's been going down rapid since Tony Blair.
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Because I'm not trying to be anti-immigration. But I think we've had a lot of
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illegal immigration, which I think is terrible. And I think that needs to be
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sorted out. Yes, it's gone down like mad.
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But I definitely believe it needs to go to zero. Because there's hotels like
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over there at the Crest of Court.
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And it's not fair because it used to be a really nice hotel.
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And now they've let all these illegal migration all the illegals into the hotel,
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and now people are paying for it and it's not fair i generally don't think it's fair.
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Okay yeah well thank you for sharing your view oh you're very welcome,
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thank you thank you so good afternoon sir on radio ulti today we're asking on
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viewfin street what people think about burnham's britain his vision for britain
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and you just said to me actually to be fair we we don't know because we don't
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know what he stands for yet.
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I hope he does well. And I wish him all the best.
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You know, we've had lots of prime ministers over the last 10 years.
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I think it's seven, isn't it? Yeah. And we want someone to really put a stamp
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on things and to help everybody, you know, from, you know, the wealthy to the
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poor so everybody gets a bite of the cherry.
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Can I ask you, why do you think, that start of seven prime ministers in 10 years,
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I mean, there's no football club could survive that. There's no company that could survive that.
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Why do you think we keep on getting people who can't do the job?
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I think, personally, I think it's...
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We haven't got a solid there's no part no there's no party that's solid of imagine
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say labor even now they're talking there's a hundred of people who are.
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Still with starmer and thinking his way and conservatives they were broken up
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as well there were different people foreign boris and different other ones and
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there's no when we get we vote a party in we vote the party but,
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we're not voting 300 Labour MPs and they all think the same way.
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And they shouldn't do either. No. You've got to have an opinion and everybody's
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entitled to opinion but there's too much infighting, there's too much backstabbing, to be honest.
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And I don't know, I just think...
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Do you think the lack of one direction or at least going in one direction is
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because nobody's ever set out.
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Post-lockdown or post-Brexit what the Britain of the future looks like.
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We don't really know what it looks like.
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I mean, who do we compare ourselves with? Is there a particular country we can
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compare ourselves with?
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And I think, generally, I think everybody seems to be in the same situation
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worldwide at the moment.
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There's a gulf of capability, isn't there? You,
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know, we hear things about Spain, but we go to Spain quite a few times and they've
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got just the same sort of problems in their electorate, in their MPs, equivalent to the MPs.
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America is all very nice. Trump got in by a big majority but I think if we had
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the same election this week I don't think he'd get in.
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You know, and I think generally I think there seems to be a different way of
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thinking. Everybody thinks different than what we did 20 years ago.
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Sorry. I was just saying, you know in Spain when he's talking about Spain They all have mares.
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All the counties have mayors, don't they? They're areas. So is that a good thing?
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And he's come from a mayor.
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He's come from being a mayor. On the world stage, what's he going to be?
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How's he going to cope with it? Yes. I don't know. And a lot of it is about
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the optics, isn't it? You need to look like you are able to stand up to these other world leaders.
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And you've got to be all things, all people. You've got to be almost presidential
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in one way And then a man of the people in another I mean, Andy Burnham's a
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man of the people But is he a statesman? And he's going to have to step up, isn't he?
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I think he'd manage it quite well, I think Keir Starmer, I think, was good.
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On the world stage But not a man of the people No And he couldn't communicate what he was thinking,
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No And they're not allowed to anyway Every time they want to put something forward
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There's that many people going, no, no, no He can't do it Civil servants,
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whatever you can't do it Is it the impossible job?
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Starmer would make a good foreign secretary No Yes Because I think he can meet
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the right people he can speak to them the right way I mean he stood up to Trump,
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regarding the forces and everything like, you know, defense.
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And I think he'd make a good foreign secretary.
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They're arguing about who's going to get what jobs now. It's that job.
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It's that idea. Well, I agree with you because he's got the network and his,
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law background leads to understanding and managing the situations.
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But he wasn't any good at articulating basic stuff for people on the streets.
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I don't think he understood it on what the basic working man,
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how he is, how he copes with everything.
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I mean, Boris was like that a bit, really, but he had a lot of problems through the COVID, didn't he?
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And that knocked him back, I thought. But he did very well and cut with it the
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best way he could. So we're almost saying that it's actually become a more impossible
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job than being an England football manager, aren't we? Well,
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I think you might be very right there.
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Well, I think I would stick with Tuchel. No, we've got him to football.
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Tuchel, I've got Tuchel.
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I think I would stick with him, actually, now. Because I'm thinking,
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when you think of it, we finish third.
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Well, third out of 48 It's quite good, isn't it? Not bad So what we're saying
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is Stick with Tuchel We're going to go with Burnham We're going to back him That's our 4-4-2.
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We don't know anything What's going to happen I totally agree You can't criticise
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him And you wish him all the best And, you know, we're pensioners And we just
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hope We get something out of it We're extra pension Extra monies And these sort
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of things You know what I mean?
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And see the country going In the right direction Absolutely I think everyone
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wants it to Everyone wants it to Why wouldn't you?
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Thank you for so much. Be happy.
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Nice to see you. Thank you, guys. Thank you very much. This is The Late Late
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Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell. Supported by...
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Where little explorers grow naturally. Okay, Rob, we're roasting in the sun,
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but how do you think that went?
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I liked it. I liked it because it was, I'm just trying to think what the overall direction was on this.
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And I think there was a balance between people being a little bit confused and
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tired of politics and lacking belief.
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And then some other people were just saying, well, you know,
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can he be really any worse?
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And does his track record in Manchester give us hope? And I think some people think that too.
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But there's a bit of apathy. And there's apathy in our political system now,
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and that's not a good thing.
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I liked some of the suggestions where people say, well, Starmer's a far better
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foreign secretary than he would be PM.
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And I would like to think that he wouldn't just back away. He's got too much experience.
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So yeah, I mean, once again, people of Algeria are never short of an opinion.
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Young and old. Yeah, very good. They definitely seem to engage with the topic.
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And obviously there is all that scar tissue from Starmer and the previous governments,
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but it looks like people do want to give him a chance.
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It's it's a bit like football isn't it everybody feels like they could be a
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manager you know and but that's at least,
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having an opinion having a view at least that's that's a positive thing yeah
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and you should have on your country you know so
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it's like the sporting analogy you just said about england and football like
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obviously they backed off against argentina and lost when they could have won
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and attacked and tuckel says the problem with our dna like England's getting
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1-0 and then just resting on 1-0 and inviting teams on us.
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And then it's the same with the government. We seem to have problems with that.
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So do we stick with Tuchel and back him? Has he figured out the problem?
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And has Burnham figured out the problem and he's doing some devolutions?
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You know that DNA point really wound me up.
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It did. Because as a coach, he's also got to look at the culture of the team.
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Making excuses. And I think he's making excuses.
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He was the one, though, that went defensive in that game. So he played to that.
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I didn't agree with that. But coming back to Burnham, you know.
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He's going to have a 100-day, a 200-day plan, right?
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And he's got to have some wins, quick wins, and he's also got to set out some longer-term plans.
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And he's got to buy himself some time to go after the bigger things.
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But at the same time, he's got to show people there is change happening.
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That's a real balanced portfolio-type approach.
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And you've got to be able to do that. You've got to show some minor progress
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in the short term while setting out the big bets.
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And you've got to be able to communicate to people. And that was Stormer's big issue.
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Big issue. Well, Burnham's good at that, though, with Mayor Manchester and his
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communication is quite strong for him. It is.
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In some ways, you've got to watch he doesn't get too gimmicky, you know.
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But I think that's one of the things he's got in his locker is team working
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because he came into Manchester and he had to galvanize a team that had already in place for some time.
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And a lot of the thoughts were already in place he had to work with that team,
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so maybe i'm being overly optimistic but i think the experience albeit and it's
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in greater manchester a small a large region within the uk.
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I i at least i think he's had a chance to test some aspects of what he'll need
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yeah and it's actually a very um
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interesting case study old room was i thought it was a very kind of like
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posh afternoon area be more pro-conservative but it seems that there are Labour
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voters here oh yeah I mean there's definitely obviously posh bits of it maybe
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they're not out on a Monday you know,
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but but yeah it's there's a working class attitude,
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the fact is Labour have lost support amongst that sort of cut and thrust because
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they they've not been clear on certain things like migration and they've not
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been clear on jobs in the economy That's what Burnham's got to do.