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The Belief That's Keeping You Broke (Even on a Six Figure Income) | REAL MONEY · Real Money with Lisa Chastain

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Welcome to Real Money with Lisa Chastain.
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Lisa Chastain is a best selling author and money coach known for
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her work in money mindset and financial transformation.
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Her approach focuses on the truth that money is emotional
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before it's mathematical, and that lasting financial freedom
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begins with changing the way we think, feel, and behave with
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money. On this show, Lisa explores the
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psychology of wealth, abundance mindset, financial literacy, and
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the deeper beliefs that shape everything from debt and income
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to entrepreneurship, side hustles, and building multiple
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income streams. If you're ready to shift your
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relationship with money and step into a stronger wealth mindset,
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you're in the right place. Here's your host, Lisa Chastain.
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Welcome to Real Money with Lisa Chastain.
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Welcome back to another episode of Real MONEY.
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I'm your host, Lisa Chastain. I'm so grateful that you're
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here. And today I have a real treat
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for you. I have my mentor, Robert
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Pleasants, who is joining us today, and he's pretty
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incredible. Recently, over the last year and
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1/2, he and I have collaborated to build the wealth within
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training. And today you're going to hear
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from Robert's perspective how powerful these trainings really
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are and why he decided to join forces with me.
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But let me give you a little bit of Robert's background before we
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jump in. He's based in Virginia Beach,
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born in Atlanta, he is a Georgia State University graduate with a
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degree in communication. He and I both have degrees in
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communication. He is a teen leadership and
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adult leadership legacy trainer who's worked with diverse
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organizations nationwide. He still does that today.
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His certifications and facilitation experience include
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the National Coalition Building Institute, Georgia State Bar
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Association, the United Way, the Carter Way.
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He's known for his powerful facilitation style, a blend of
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empathy and accountability that leads participants into deep
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healing, ownership, and the journey of transformation.
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We're going to talk about the word transformation on the show
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today, what it means, what it is, what it isn't.
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If you're in the question in your life of what next you can
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do to know yourself on a deeper level, to continue your
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elevation. Maybe you're making great money
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but you still have a sense of uneasiness or your success in
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some way feels hollow with episodes for you.
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Welcome to Real Money. Well, great to see you.
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We spend a lot of time together these days, yes.
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We do. I love all of the conversations
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that we have from our last conversation.
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You were in town last weekend and I came home and I shared
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with Jimmy, I feel like I'm in in some ways like that, that
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student, right? Or that not the word that's
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sticking in my head right now is protege, but it's not quite
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that. But like you just like have
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given me so much over the last couple of years and shared So
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what so much with me about how the work of transformation has
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become, how it's evolved. And I'm just learning so much
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from you, Robert. So as my mentor in this
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conversation, I'm really grateful that you're here.
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Well, it means a lot to me. You know, I said to you as we
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were parting ways last Saturday and our relationship is very
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unique in that, you know, you may feel like a mentee, but I
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sort of feel like a patient. You know, a lot of times I feel
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like you're my therapist right now because I just find myself
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just just gushing and a lot of it's very personal.
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And so I appreciate your, your listening the way that you do.
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We actually talk about that too. You've, you've always been a
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great listener personally for me.
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And, and I appreciate that greatly as a student, you were
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great. You, you, you were right there
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hanging on everything that was said.
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And there's nothing better than having a student in that place.
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And so it is absolutely. I just think this is, this is
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our, this is great time that we get to be together and, and do
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the work that we're doing. And so thank you.
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Yeah, it's funny because I knew 12 years ago that I wanted to be
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a trainer. I didn't know what the pathway
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was going to be. I didn't know how to get there.
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But through my own work, getting certified, it was like, all
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right, Lisa. And you know, you heard me say
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this now or never. I'm 45 years old.
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What am I doing? This is what I want to be doing.
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But I knew that I nobody. There's no such thing as someone
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doing something on their own. I don't believe that there's
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anything is there's no such thing as self-made.
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No one is truly self-made. It takes mentors, it takes
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community. And you and I have come in and
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out of the same communities. That's where I met you was at
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choice center so so long ago. I call, I was like, all right,
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well, how am I going to learn how to train in front of the
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room? Like where?
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Where does this all begin for me?
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I have a concept. How do I bring it to fruition?
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And at the same time that I called you, you had also had a
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vision of how you want it to evolve with the work.
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Do you mind sharing that? Well, so I've, you know, in my
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career, I've done a lot of work with adults in the area of
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leadership development, if you will.
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And about 20 + 2020, one, 22 years ago, some people asked me
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to put together a leadership training for teenagers.
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And so I've done that and you know, I'll deliver four or five
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trainings a year, you know, 2 or 300 students a year.
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But IA couple of years ago, it sort of came to me that I, I
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needed to, to branch out and to expand and to scale that
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training. And so to, to create three
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centers around the country that would be, you know, destinations
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for parents and students to come, kids, you know, teens and
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parents to come and do some training for four or five days.
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And so my job is to put the curriculum together and to train
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trainers to do that and to just to scale it, expand it and and
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have it be a thing. So, you know, that was sort of
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in the back of my mind. It's something I've been
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rolling, it's been rolling around there and now it's time
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to do something with that. And so you calling me is perfect
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because I would have called you and said, hey, Lisa, you might
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be perfect for this too. And so we're going to get to Co
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facilitate the very next team leadership training that we're
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going to that I'm going to do in June.
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We're going to do that together. And so I'm very, very excited
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about that. I've not had shared the stage a
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little bit in that training, but most of the time with with some
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of the therapists that I've worked with.
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But in this case this will be Co facilitation.
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So I'm very, very anxious and looking forward to that.
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Well, what we found out and putting the wealth within
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together is that we do work well together.
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I and that was. You never know.
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You know, I love you. I really, really just admire you
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and just completely blown away by all the knowledge and what
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I've learned from you. But I had no idea we would just
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we'd sync up so well in the room.
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Now, you know, in all of our conversations, it seems like
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we're thinking along the same lines.
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It's not like we have radical different opinions about how to
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deal with, you know, a large group of students in a training
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room. But and so I think that has
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something to do with it, but it's just, I was really, really
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just really impressed with us. Across the country for that Yay
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and and we were impressed with ourselves and each other, but
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also the students in the in the class gave the same feedback.
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Jimmy continues to tell me how well we worked together.
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It was so cute. If you're listening to this or
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watching this, Jimmy, I just love you so much.
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But he was like, man, I think I'm like jealous.
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Not in a not in like a weird way, but he said the the
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chemistry that you and Robert have in front of the room.
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He's like, I don't have any other way of describing it, but
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then I'm just jealous. Well, you and I have chemistry.
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He's like, I know, I know, but still.
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And so so there's another side of me that says, and the trick
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will be to keep it fresh and alive and and not to the rest on
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our laurels there. Yeah, we want to continue to
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grow ourselves. That's just a little side note
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between you and I. Agreed.
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So I'm going to take, I'm going to take our listeners.
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For those of you who are listening, watching this show,
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you may be familiar with Robert and me and the work of
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transformation. You may not.
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But what I've learned so much from Robert is the history of
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personal development and transformational work.
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And there's quite a history there.
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When I when I stepped into the the room in 2014, it was July
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2014. There was some stuff going on in
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my life that I knew I needed to change and the only way to
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change that was to take myself on.
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I knew I had gotten to the end of myself and therefore there
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was only so much I could do on my own.
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And so when I stepped into the training and we're going to
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break down what the training means for the first four or five
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days, I was like, this is exactly what I've needed to get
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beyond my own limitations and really understand and see what's
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going on. It's also very much a whirlwind.
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You're not given a lot of information going in.
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It's a four or five day, very intense experience.
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There's one trainer in the room. The rest of us are students, are
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volunteers. And some people leave thinking,
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is this a cult? Like, what did I just get myself
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into here? And so just putting the elephant
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in the room, if you've been a part of these experiences or you
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have family members have been a part of these experiences,
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everyone, I think, asks that question.
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And there's a lot of history for how this work came along.
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And you found this work in the 1970s did, right?
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Well, it was 1980s, but the work started in.
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The 80s. The early 70s, yeah.
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So. Yeah, take us on that journey.
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So the way and then this is obviously I'm secondhand.
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I've I've heard from all the founders with all the people
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from way, way back. I'd work with a number of those
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people. And so let's go all the way back
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to World War 2. So in World War 2, basically in
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this country, a lot of the men that went to war and so you had
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carpenters and plumbers and electricians and, and people
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that did those jobs. And typically the way that you
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became a plumber was you started out as an apprentice and then
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you were a journeyman and then you eventually worked your way
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up to becoming a master plumber, electrician, you know, handy
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person. Well, these men went off to war
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in World War 2 and guess who stepped into the role of all
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those jobs and took them on with no real noticeable difference in
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productivity. And, you know, they did a good
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job, you know, and it was women. And so a group of people got
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together national trading laboratories and they said we
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need to study this, you know, here, this has been a 25 year
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process. And these women walk right into
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the, you know, these roles and picked up the ball where the men
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left off. And so they did a lot of
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research into that and, and how the, you know, how behavior and
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how, how, how beliefs impact, you know, people's people's
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thoughts and people's feelings and people's activities, you
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know, the choices they have available to them and the
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outcomes that they create and produce.
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And so there was a lot of sit insurance and tea groups and,
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you know, some real woo woo stuff that happened in the 60s.
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You know, the flower children, they definitely adopted, you
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know, this type of stuff. And the epicenter of a lot of
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this training work was I'm actually in San Francisco this
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week. So it's out here in the Bay
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Area. There were a lot of, a lot of
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people took some of the, some of this education and decided to
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make, you know, put some, some processes together and, and put
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a structure together. And so there was a group called
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Mind Dynamics. Alexander Everett was the
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founder of Mind Dynamics and he put a training together, very
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intensive training. And there were two people in
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that training that founded the two.
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You know, I guess the two leaders of the what we would
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call the human potential movement back in the early 70s
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was Warner Earhart. He started asked he was a
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student with Alexander and then John Hanley with Lifespring.
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He also was a was, was in the mountain dynamics trainings with
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Werner. And so they they both decided
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they went in a little different direction with their companies.
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Werner did much more. It was much more cerebral
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training. John decided to go down the, you
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know, much more the relationship and, and the heart of the human
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potential movement was, was more that training.
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And so those trainings boomed through the 70s.
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You know, there were 23 centers around the US at Life Spring.
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And I know Life Spring basically because that's where I came
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from, was in that group. You know, I came up through
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that, that that organization. And so I think when I did the
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trainings in 1988, there were, as I said, 23 centers in the
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country and we had graduated about 500,000 participants up to
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that particular point. I was a professional golfer back
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then, so I played golf. And a funny thing, I met a young
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woman in a nightclub, asked her out on a date and she invited me
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to a guest event. Literally we were going to go to
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dinner after. So I'm thinking this is some
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kind of, you know, water filters or MC calling cards.
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Those were a big deal back then. Every every multi level
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marketing group and that existed.
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I was always invited to their event.
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So I figured it was another one of those and I walked into a
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guest evening and, and, and two hours later I was enrolled in
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these trainings and had no idea this kind of education existed.
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Did the trainings in 1988. We had a level 1, which we call
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the basic training, which was really an awareness training.
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And then the second course was a five day intensive called the
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advanced course. And then after that was a
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leadership program for 90 days where you basically learn to, to
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take everything you learned out in the world and actually apply
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it. It was also an important part of
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leadership was, was learning to, to share the work too.
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So that's another, another, another valuable part of the
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training, if you will. And so I was always, I was just
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sort of blown away by what was going on in the front of the
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room and, and thought, you know, someday I think I can do that.
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And it was just one of those things where it just stuck with
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me about right after my leadership program, I took a
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position in Augusta Country Club and was sort of at the at the
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top of the food chain, if you will, in the golf business.
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I'm not happy at all. You know, it was like I wanted
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to be back in Atlanta. I want to, I want to learn how
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to do this. And so that's what I did.
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You know, I just left golf and there we go.
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And jumped in, jumped in and you've been.
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You're still a golfer, but in your heart, you're a trainer.
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Yep, they then have been now for gosh, so 89 from 89 to now.
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So that's 37 years and lots and lots of students and lots and
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lots of yeah. And so my, my, you know, back
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then you, you sort of, you took it slowly.
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You learned how to get up in front of different groups of
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people, different size groups of people, and then and then, you
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know, I was pretty good at it. And so they they put me in a
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number of different national positions and then I was I
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learned to lead different workshops and different
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trainings over the years. And then the family that started
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live spring in the in 2099, two thousand, they decided that they
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were they they were complete. They they've done it for long
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enough. And so those centers that they
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had basically shut down and there were lots of individuals
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that just didn't want the work to stop.
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So they open up their own and, and they would hire myself and
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other trainers like me to come in and, and work with students
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like yourself. And that's, that's kind of how
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that evolved and continues to evolve.
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North Carolina. There was a group in North
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Carolina that asked me to put the teen training together, you
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know, 25 years ago. And so that's where that, that
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was founded. And then so we've done, we've
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done that training all over the world now.
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And it, it exists. I've shared this with lots of
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other trainers who facilitate, you know, a very similar team
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leadership training to the one that I put together.
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And so it goes on all over the place.
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It's I can tell you the number of places that are doing it
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'cause I don't know who everybody is doing it, but I
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know there are. Amazing.
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All right, Well, we're going to hold on.
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I have, I want to transition the conversation to, OK, that's the
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history of the work, but I really want to talk about the
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work because it's people, people who've been in the work, say the
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work, but we need to talk about what that actually is.
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So someone listening could know whether or not it's for them,
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something that will be for them. So hold on, we're going to take
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a quick break and we'll come right back and talk about what
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the work actually is. Pause.
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If you're successful on paper, but still don't feel as powerful
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as you know you can be with money, the wealth within is
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where we change all of that. Link is in the show notes,
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Robert, yes, I have my degree in communication.
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You have your degree in communication.
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I've been doing leadership. I have been in a number of
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leadership roles my entire career.
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I get leadership the the work, quote UN quote.
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The work for me was my first time being in a room
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experientially and also in in emotional intelligence.
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What break that down for us? What is the work?
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So the way I explain it and have for years now is that you and I
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are born into a pre-existing set of beliefs, OK?
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They were beliefs that existed in your family and your, and
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your culture and your community long before you took your first
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breath, OK, But you've also, you and I both come into this world
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with DNA. And so we, we also, we bring
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with us generations of descendants and, and some of
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their beliefs and some of the things that occurred for them,
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you know, they're a part of us. And so we bring that those
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beliefs with us of this life, along with the preconceived or
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pre-existing set of beliefs that that are out there.
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And so we're born into this stuff.
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And the minute you take your first breath, you have an idea
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about how men are supposed to treat men and men treat women or
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women treat women and women treat men.
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We have beliefs about religion and beliefs about politics and
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beliefs about how much money is too much money and how much is
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not enough money and, and, and, and, and education levels,
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education levels, you know, And so then life starts to happen.
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You know, as we go through our lives, different events occur
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and, and we make up things about ourselves based on those, those
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events that occur in life. So we basically have this, this
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superhighway, this network inside of all these beliefs.
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And So what we do in this work, if you will, is we, we shine a
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spotlight first and foremost on some of the underlying beliefs
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and the assumptions that we make or have about ourselves as we
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relate to the rest of the world. And we make sure that those are
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lined up, if they're not lined up with my heartfelt desires
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and, and, and vision and what I want in my life.
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And then it's time to inspect this stuff.
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And we don't ever get away from it.
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It never goes away. Some of the limitations that we
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may have and some of the limiting beliefs that we may
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have, but we learn about them so that we can say, OK, thank you,
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you got me here thus far. But I think it's now time to
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create a belief over here or to remember that I have this belief
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also available to me inside. And I can, I can, I can utilize
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this to, to, to move me forward and begin to organize my being,
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to organize my thoughts and my, my feelings and my attitude and,
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and the choices that I have available to me and the actions
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that I take and then the outcomes that I have.
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At the end of the day, that's that, that that's what this is
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about. It's really becoming aware and
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then doing something with your awareness.
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You know, if I've got one option available to me, OK, I'm, I'm
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pretty powerful, but you give me two or three options in the same
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situation and all of a sudden I could be limitless.
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And so that really, when I think about the work, you know, that's
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what we're talking about. There was a study done back in
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O8 or O7 actually, O seven O 8, when the, when the housing
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market crashed and the economy blew up and, you know, there
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were a lot of corporations that had to make some really
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difficult decisions about who they were going to keep and who
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they were going to lay off in the workforce.
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And, you know, here you are, you know, senior executive with a,
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with a big company and you've hired this person with a Harvard
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degree. You know, that that came out of
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schools, second or third in their class.
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And this should be a can't miss, you know, executive.
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And then you've got this person that went to, I'm going to pick
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on Radford University, you know, in, in, in West Virginia.
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And this person, you know that they, they, they came out barely
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with a, with a 2.5 average, you know, and all of a sudden you're
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looking at who am I going to keep?
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Who am I going to let go? And you, you go, well, I'm going
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to keep the Radford person. And someone says, well, how come
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that, you know how in the world, well, this person, they dealt
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with pressure differently. You know, they, they were, they
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empathize with, with the people they were managing.
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Perhaps they were flexible in ways that this person just
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wasn't. They didn't have access to some
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of the same knowledge, let's say emotional knowledge, if you
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will. And so we all have an emotional
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intelligence quotient. And so the kind of work we're
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talking about gives us access to expanding our emotional
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intelligence because whether you're 98 years old or seven
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years old or 14 years old, as we've seen many times, I can
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expand myself emotionally very, very quickly just by becoming
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aware and looking at new possibilities and new options
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that I have available to me. And a lot of the lot of this is
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really about remembering, you know, you and I talked about
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this on Saturday, and it's something that's really occurred
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to me lately is that we're born whole.
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We're born complete. We're born with vitality and
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with passion, and we're born to live this life fully.
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And then life starts to happen and I start to believe my ego
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and. And start to do things that will
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get acceptance and, and, and, and, you know, will, will, you
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know, have me fit in, in some way in different parts of
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society. And, and so all of a sudden,
20:16
some of the light inside goes away, You know, inauthentic self
20:20
is constantly doing its thing. And, and, and all of a sudden we
20:24
come to a spot like this or training like this where we can
20:26
quiet the ego, if you will, and perhaps listen to the internal
20:30
spirit and the and, and remember that vitality and remember the
20:34
child and remember the joy and, and then bring those, those
20:37
parts of me forward. So that's that.
20:40
That's the work in my words. That's mine.
20:42
I believe that it's less of a behavioral fix.
20:46
It's not about teaching you to do anything differently in your
20:50
life. It's really about beingness and
20:52
that the formula, one of the only formulas that are given in
20:56
any of the trainings, and I've been through pretty much all of
20:59
them at this point, is be do half who you're being in the
21:03
world will framework what you do and then lead into what it is
21:09
that you have. But we live in a society,
21:11
especially in Western culture, that says the opposite, that
21:14
it's what you have that makes you who you are, and it's what
21:17
you have that then dictates what you do, and then eventually
21:20
you'll be happy. And what we're seeing mass level
21:24
right now is that that's a lie. That's the ego.
21:27
Yeah, the marketing companies out there will tell you have a
21:29
Toyota drive the the mountain roads in California and you'll
21:33
be happy, you know, have a lot of money.
21:35
We, we see this in, in the wealth within have a lot of
21:38
money and then you can travel and you can buy and you can live
21:42
and you'll be happy. But we all know people that have
21:45
lots and lots of money that are miserable.
21:47
And so you know that that model doesn't quite work for me.
21:50
It's always been, you know, be joyous, do what joyous people do
21:54
and have joy. It's very, very simple.
21:57
Model takes a little bit of work, baby steps to get started
22:00
and then get into that, that, you know, into that mindset and
22:03
that routine. I personally, you know, it's
22:05
kind of, I bought in hook line and sinker way back and, and it,
22:09
we live from that place for the most part.
22:11
And then I've also got it as a feedback mechanism too.
22:14
So if I'm off base, it's almost always I'll go back to, OK, who
22:18
are you being? And based on these actions, who
22:20
are you being? And is that who you want to be?
22:21
Is that who you're committed to be?
22:23
Why? Did these trainings get such a
22:26
bad rap? Robert?
22:28
I have my own answer, but in your opinion, having been in the
22:30
work for 35 years. So it's like it's a double edged
22:34
sword. You know, I, the first ground
22:37
rule in our trainings is non disclosure.
22:40
Don't tell people about the, the experiential parts of the
22:43
training. Don't, don't let them.
22:45
People might want to do this themselves.
22:46
And so we don't want to give away what happens in the
22:48
training. But I think a lot of people
22:50
misinterpret that. And so they just, when they,
22:53
when I tell my friend about this, I'm really weird about it
22:56
because I don't disclose very much, you know, it's just this
22:58
great thing. I did come do it, you know what
23:00
I mean? And I think that just leaves
23:02
people suspicious. You know, for the most part, for
23:05
all these years, I've been undoing that with lots of
23:09
graduates of these training so they can actually be, you know,
23:12
honest and open and transparent with the people around them,
23:15
young people. Also when I go to a training
23:17
like this and all of a sudden I've had this market shift and
23:20
people see something different about me, then they want to
23:23
blame the thing, you know, they want to make it about the thing.
23:26
And so that itself is there something out there that waves a
23:29
magic wand? And after five, 710 days,
23:31
you're, you're, you're, you're completely transformed.
23:35
Well, I'm going to be a little skeptical about that.
23:37
You know, I grew up in this work in Georgia and so the Southeast.
23:41
And so, you know, I used to do a lot of sitting down and talking
23:45
to ministers and priests and clergy people, you know, to to
23:50
make sure that, you know, what I was saying and what we were
23:53
doing matches up. And, you know, basically, if I,
23:56
if I'd reduce there all those conversations to a nutshell, you
23:59
know, all those people believe that, you know, all those
24:01
various books, all those religious, you know, all the
24:03
different religions just want you to be the best you you can
24:06
be. Yeah.
24:07
And and contribute and serve others.
24:09
And so this is no different than that, but it gets a bad rap
24:14
because of that kind of stuff. It's just I've never experienced
24:18
it, but I'm pretty wide open about it.
24:20
And so I'll share about my experience, what I learned and,
24:22
and how the trains work and, and then people can make an honest
24:25
decision. I think Tony Robbins help, you
24:28
know, you know, Tony in the early 90s, he came on on TV.
24:32
You couldn't sit in front of ATV set, not see an infomercial from
24:35
Tony. And so, you know, Tony did all
24:37
these trainings. He grabbed a little bit of
24:38
everything he did over the years and and he put a package
24:42
together that made it much more mainstream.
24:44
And so today when you know, people talk about trainings that
24:47
they've done, I don't think it's near as weird.
24:49
And you know, it was way woo woo back in those days, but not so
24:52
much anymore. Not so much anymore.
24:54
Yeah, there are some bad actors too.
24:56
Oh yeah. So, yeah, in the world of neuro
24:59
linguistic programming, I'm a neuro linguistic programming
25:02
trainer. I have all my certifications in
25:04
neuro linguistic programming, as do you, not all of them, but you
25:07
have through the master's level of neuro linguistic programming.
25:10
And this is is a science and a technology of mindset and how
25:15
people think. And also there are some bad
25:17
actors that take this technology and don't use it in service and
25:22
in the highest good of others. Would you say that's true?
25:24
I've heard I've never really experienced anybody, you know,
25:27
that used to, used to, you know, if they would call us a call
25:30
back in the in the 80s. And it was like, well, you know,
25:34
I've been to every trainer meeting for the last seven or
25:37
eight years and I don't remember anybody bringing up, OK, this is
25:40
how we brainwash people. There was never a brainwashing
25:42
clap. I swear.
25:43
I remember my dad saying, you know, when someone asked him
25:47
about the trainings and he said, Jim, that that that stuff's
25:50
brainwashing. And my dad goes, well, my brain
25:52
needed a good washing, you know, So it's kind of like we just
25:58
I've heard about that kind of stuff in some of the different
26:01
modes of, of education. And could I see it happening, I
26:04
suppose. But what it's so far removed
26:06
from anything I would want to do.
26:08
You know, we're going to talk to some people later on today
26:11
about, you know, working with us in the training room.
26:13
And, you know, if I'm going to pull the curtain back, you know,
26:17
what has me, what has you, what has us be successful is our
26:21
primary focus is on health. We want to make sure that people
26:24
are safe with us and, and we're going to look out for them
26:28
physically, emotionally, spiritually, psychologically,
26:31
that's just what we're going to do.
26:33
And then that's kind of the come from and it always has been a
26:35
come from for me. And so, you know, from that
26:38
place. Let's rock'n'roll.
26:41
Yeah, same, same. The word transformation is such
26:44
a big word. And ultimately, what I know, and
26:48
we're going to take a break and then we're going to come back to
26:50
this, is that if you truly desire something different in
26:55
your life, whatever you're doing, whoever you're being is
26:58
not getting you the results that you desire.
27:01
It is not as simple as just changing your behaviors.
27:05
It needs to happen at the identity level.
27:07
To your point, Robert, it starts back from when we were children
27:10
or ancestral or if you believe in, if you believe in this in a
27:14
previous life, you come in with all of these, this baggage that
27:18
you pull into this life with, then you're born into this
27:20
family that has this belief in this operating system in this
27:23
way of being. And if it's not working for you,
27:26
it does require you to transform it, to change it to be something
27:32
new. I'd rather use the word
27:34
transform then change. But we're going to talk about
27:36
how the work itself is also transforming and what Robert and
27:39
I are doing as leaders in the work today.
27:41
So stay, stay here. We'll be right back.
27:43
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to know that change happens one minute at a time.
27:49
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27:52
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27:54
One minute Money Mindset link is in the show notes and we're
28:01
back. You had a question.
28:03
No, I was just thinking about the last statement you made.
28:06
Yeah. So I had a can a mentor tell me
28:09
once that it's it's better to use the word transform over
28:14
change because change presupposes that you're the
28:17
thing that you're changing from is still in existence.
28:20
It's almost an NLP framework. It's a way from motivation.
28:24
I'm trying to change something that may or may not be
28:27
changeable. Like I can't change a car into a
28:29
horse. I can't do that.
28:30
But if I wanted to, you actually have to transform the thing.
28:34
And so in the work of transformation, I'm I'm still a
28:38
woman. I'm still myself.
28:40
I still have certain qualities about myself.
28:42
There are these great qualities about myself, but my life
28:45
transformed. I went through a divorce as a
28:47
result of learning what I learned in these trainings of
28:50
the baggage I had taken on, the limiting beliefs I had about
28:54
myself, how I was operating in relationships, relationships
28:58
transformed. I left some relationships, which
29:01
I think may be unsettling for people to hear.
29:03
I had to do some deep inner work for me to discover the the woman
29:07
that I, that I saw myself as being, which is the woman that I
29:10
am today, didn't exist in 2014. When I walked into the training
29:14
room, I literally went through a transformation to get where I am
29:19
today. That can be a buzzword of sorts,
29:21
but I hope that that helps the listener understand our context.
29:26
Is it people get wrapped up in the content of the training,
29:29
what we actually do in the training, which is all very,
29:31
very safe. What we do in the training, it
29:34
can be somewhat uncomfortable, but it's the context of who
29:38
you're being needs to be different or you just need to
29:41
remember who you are at the highest level, at the highest
29:43
good, at the highest best of yourself.
29:45
And we forget those things because our ego get does a
29:47
pretty good job of covering up some things, right.
29:50
I don't know exactly know where I was going with that, but I
29:52
wanted to make sure I I spoke into what transformation
29:54
actually is as. You're speaking, you know, I'll
29:57
piggyback on this a little bit when, when I'm changing
29:59
something, that which I'm changing, I'm focused on and
30:02
I'll persist it and persist it and persist it because I'm
30:05
always focused on that which I'm changing.
30:07
When and when I hear you're saying transform, it's like,
30:10
it's like a demarcation from it, from whatever it was.
30:14
That's sort of like the cocoon and the butterfly.
30:17
The butterfly, you would never know the cocoon existed, yet it
30:19
was important to get the butterfly to that point.
30:23
So what I'm transforming myself to versus from is really, I
30:27
think that's the focus. Where am I going?
30:30
Yes, yeah. And for many, for many of us,
30:33
it's about not going any place as much as it's remembering
30:36
where I, you know, remembering what's in here and, and, and,
30:40
and using that out there as I go.
30:41
Yeah, which is the good stuff. Which is in my in my opinion,
30:45
it's the connected, loving, kind, genuine fill in the blank
30:50
of all the higher vibration ways of being.
30:54
Yeah, my ego. Yeah, because my ego spends all
30:57
of its time, all that chatter is it's searching out there, the
31:01
outer world for what's always, always been in here.
31:04
It just doesn't see it. It can't get to it.
31:06
You know, we, we've talked about that in our training.
31:08
What we're really working with people to do is quiet the
31:12
clutter, the clatter, the. Yeah, so that we create some
31:16
space. And from that, there are other
31:18
voices in there, you know, my soul's in there, you know, and
31:23
it says remember. And then all of a sudden now
31:26
I've got options. I've got no options when it's
31:29
full from a place of full, I can only react the minute I can
31:32
quiet down. And Createspace in here, all of
31:35
a sudden I have access to a whole lot of conversations,
31:39
options, beliefs, you know, directions that I just, I just
31:42
have to remember that they're in there.
31:44
That's right. That's resourcefulness.
31:46
I think we're teaching people how to return to
31:49
resourcefulness, that you are the source and that it, it is a
31:52
whole it, it's not as complicated as the world makes
31:55
it out to be. That is one of my favorite,
31:58
favorite parts of experiences like this.
32:01
For four days, we can pause on our life.
32:03
We ask, we ask for our, for the wealth within which we're going
32:06
to talk about next students to, to spend 4 days with us 10:00 AM
32:10
to 8:00 PM. Get your work done in the
32:12
morning. Come and spend that time with
32:14
us. Turn your phone off, connect
32:16
with other people, connect with yourself, get some feedback.
32:20
And we're going to guide you through a conversation and a an
32:24
experience where you can take some of that layers, those
32:28
layers, that ego off that you put on to armor up and protect
32:33
yourself with and remember who you are.
32:36
And then get back out into the world doing work from that place
32:40
instead of disempowered states like anger, confusion,
32:43
overwhelm, whatever shows up for you and disempowering ways.
32:47
I love that about the work. What do you love?
32:49
What do you love the most about being in the training room?
32:52
It's a play, like you said, you know, I'm on this treadmill in
32:55
my life. And you know, when I decided to
32:58
do something like this, I jump off the treadmill and what I
33:00
don't realize sometimes I'm saying, or maybe I do, I walk in
33:04
and I'm going to get real honest.
33:06
I've really always appreciated that is it?
33:09
You know, I get real honest, like radically honest about
33:11
where I am and you know, what's having me do what I do the way
33:16
that I do it. How do I feel about that?
33:18
What are some of the thoughts rolling around in my head?
33:20
And, you know, let's, let's, let's really, really shine a
33:23
spotlight on the stuff that I've been unwilling to look at.
33:26
You know, let's really talk about the things that I want in
33:29
my life, but I've not been willing to pay certain prices to
33:32
get there. And how come I'm not willing to
33:34
pay those prices? Because that's that's the stuff
33:36
I really want to tackle. And the minute I can come to
33:39
grips with that, which I've just not wanted to deal with and
33:42
start to to experience it, to feel it, to talk about it, all
33:46
of a sudden there's space that opens up and and new
33:48
opportunities are, are available to me.
33:50
And so the unlimited potential in human beings is just it's
33:53
always been the thing that's just been the most amazing to
33:56
me, you know, here and we history strewn with, you know,
34:00
examples of human beings doing the impossible being the
34:03
impossible, acting impossibly. So, you know, everybody has that
34:08
ability. And so, you know, we've been
34:10
picking on the ego a little bit here, but it's it's not as much
34:13
we're not giving up our ego. It's learning how to balance.
34:16
It's learning how to, you know, we see students that kind of
34:18
come in, you know, a little sideways because, you know, I've
34:21
been, you know, been putting a lot of, of weight and a lot of
34:24
emphasis on listening to my ego and, and the rackets and the
34:29
masks that I wear and, and the cover up, you know, to, to be
34:32
accepted and to be approved of and to fit in and all the
34:35
various domains of my life. And, and so I feel like a fraud
34:38
sometimes when I'm in that place.
34:40
And so, you know, that comes up for people in our trainings.
34:42
And, and so, you know, just, you know, coming to grips with it is
34:45
one thing. And then from there I can move
34:47
to another direction if, if I choose to, and, and, and start
34:50
to quiet things down. What another thing we're doing
34:52
in our training that's really, really cool is we're utilizing
34:54
breath work. Let's talk about that.
34:57
Let's talk about Geo. I met Geo down in South America
35:02
5 or 6 years ago and, and we just kind of clicked.
35:05
And, and I said to him when I first met him because he, he
35:08
actually was one of the trainers of this, this, this process that
35:10
I went through down there. You know, where we literally got
35:13
in ice water for 45 seconds after he taught me how to
35:16
breathe. And I thought that was really,
35:18
really cool. But then I started doing more
35:19
and more breath work and we did a whole lot of work that whole
35:22
week and breathing. And it was like, gosh, I've
35:24
always had people breathe, but it was just basically verbal
35:27
cues to make sure they were with me and we're moving to the next
35:30
thing or to breathe them through, you know, a moment.
35:33
But this was entirely different. And so I said to him, you know,
35:36
we're going to work together someday.
35:37
And then when you and I spoke, first I thought, I think there's
35:41
a way we can get at some of the real deep seated stuff, you
35:43
know, the stuff that creates those real deep seated patterns
35:47
and limits. I think we can get at some of
35:49
that stuff through breath work. And so we spoke to Geo and he
35:52
had some experience doing this. And so, you know, we've got a
35:55
good with three hours, you know, and one night we got 3 hours
35:58
where we really work with people through the, through their, what
36:01
they're letting go. Some of it they're, they're
36:03
completely conscious about. But a lot of it, a lot of the
36:06
healing that goes on, a lot of the lot of the work that they're
36:08
doing, the deep, deep work that they're doing is at an
36:11
unconscious level, subconscious level.
36:13
And it's just well, you know, next morning, you know, we hear
36:17
it, it's, it's really, really powerful stuff.
36:19
And so we're kind of bouncing around here, but that's really
36:22
to me one of the most exciting parts of of what we're doing.
36:25
We're taking your expertise, the things that I've done for the
36:29
last 37 years and what Geo does, we're putting this package
36:32
together and I think it's very, very powerful and the feedback
36:35
has been fantastic. And so it's, I, I think it's a
36:38
real opportunity there. And you know, we're talking
36:40
about money to money, sort of the focus, if you will, for
36:43
people walking in. But you've heard me say this,
36:45
how I do anything is how I do everything.
36:47
And so my limits as it relates to money, you know, the, the
36:51
vibration, the, the, the, the, the attractiveness, you know,
36:54
it, it impacts every area of my life.
36:56
And so if we can clean up one place, we can clean up all
36:59
places. And so really, really powerful
37:02
stuff. We talk a lot about intention in
37:05
this specific training. And when I say this specific
37:07
training, Robert and I are independent of any other center
37:11
that exists in the world today, have built a training, it's
37:16
called The Wealth Within. It's a four day experience.
37:19
It exists nowhere else on the planet.
37:22
He and I have crafted it specifically for high capacity
37:26
individuals to come take off the mask and do some inner work,
37:30
deep inner work related to wealth.
37:33
When we asked our participants in our beta training in January
37:36
if the word financial breakthrough resonated with them
37:38
and they were all like, no, it's not financial breakthrough.
37:42
It's that they all walked out with a better interpretation and
37:47
internal representation and experience of themselves as it
37:50
relates to what wealth really means for them.
37:54
And that's the beauty of it. If you can slow down for a few
37:56
days in a guided way by experts, myself, Robert and Gio will take
38:01
you on a journey for you to discover what wealth really
38:05
means for you. Not coming from ego, but from a
38:09
place of genuine, authentic connection and vision for your
38:13
life, who you are, who you're born to be, what your vision is
38:17
for your life and what your intention is.
38:19
And you and I have been very intentional with saying we're
38:22
going to build this in a way that people can get underneath
38:25
the surface and then walk out cleaner and also in a healthier
38:29
version of themselves as it relates to why they are creating
38:32
wealth in the first place. We're intentional beings.
38:35
Before we take our first breath, we intended to be born.
38:39
And so it just comes with us. It it's almost like the entire,
38:42
you know, it's, it is a packaging of you and I as human
38:45
beings. And we're going to get
38:46
someplace, a lot of times our intent is unconscious to you and
38:49
I. And so in this particular four
38:51
days, we bring it from the unconscious forward so that
38:54
people can actually one, understand what their intention
38:57
has been and what it can be for the future.
39:00
And so, you know, it's, it's very, very powerful in that way.
39:03
Very. Very powerful wealth is not a
39:05
number. Nope.
39:07
Capacity. It's emotional, it's in your
39:10
nervous system, it's in decision making.
39:13
And everybody's number is different.
39:15
And if you're looking for that kind of room to be in, to be in
39:19
your own question about what wealth really means for you,
39:22
Robert and I would love to meet you in the room.
39:26
The next training is April 30th through May 3rd.
39:28
We have another one in September and we're rolling out next
39:30
year's as well. But just so, so grateful for
39:33
you, Robert. And I feel the same way about
39:35
you, Lisa. This is fantastic and I can't
39:37
wait to see what we do moving forward.
39:40
We're doing it. We're doing it well.
39:43
If you have any questions about the Wealth Within, go ahead.
39:45
And you know, it's in the show notes for today.
39:48
If you want to learn more about Robert, you can find that on the
39:50
Wealth Within website. We'd love to see you in the
39:52
room. I'd love to hear from you.
39:54
Let us know what resonated with you about this episode and we'll
39:57
catch you next time on REAL MONEY.
39:58
Thanks for being here.