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Cold med killer suspect heads to court; Mom charged with murder in daughter's DUI death · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. This young aspiring
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Speaker 1: pastor charged with murdering his Sunday school teacher wife. What
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Speaker 1: Twenty year old Matthew Phelps arrested after a detailed and
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Speaker 1: disturbed being called she stood on the floor between labored
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Speaker 1: breadth an alarming admission, there's a boarding knife on the bed.
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Speaker 1: A disoriented sounding caller telling the dispatcher he took cough
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Speaker 1: medicine to sleep the night before. He qualifies that yes,
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Speaker 1: it looks like I did kill her. The knife is here,
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Speaker 1: I have blood all over me. However, this medicine made
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Speaker 1: me do it. An aspiring pastor calls nine one one,
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Speaker 1: and he sounds so disoriented, sobbing, breathing heavily, as if
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Speaker 1: he had just run a marathon, to reveal his young wife,
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Speaker 1: his bride really of just months, was dead on the floor,
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Speaker 1: covered in blood. No, it was not an armed intruder.
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Speaker 1: It was not a home invader. It was not a
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Speaker 1: maniacal kill. Are they're blaming it all on cough medicine.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. With me this morning, syndicated radio host
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Speaker 1: Dave matt and also with me renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober And boy, do I need a shrink. Let's
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Speaker 1: take it from the top, Dave mc let's kick it
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Speaker 1: off with a listen to the nine one call. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen. Let me exactly what happened. I think I chilled.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by what happened? I dream and
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Speaker 1: then I turned on the lightsome she stood on the floor.
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Speaker 1: How how I'm I'm kind of blood all over me
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Speaker 1: and there's a boy knife on the bed, and I
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Speaker 1: think I did it? Okay, car stay on the phone
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Speaker 1: with you, giving her and get Okay, I can't believe this.
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Speaker 1: I can't belief this. When did you When did you
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Speaker 1: wake up to find this? I don't even know what
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Speaker 1: time it is. All right, stay on the phone with me,
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Speaker 1: so I just gonna ask if you questions. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting some help to you. Are you with Are you
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Speaker 1: with the patient? Now? Yeah? I can see your Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right? How does the howard? Is the patient? How's
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Speaker 1: your She's pretty died? Okay? Is she? Is she awaken?
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Speaker 1: All right? Now? What makes you think she's there? Does she? Wait?
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Speaker 1: She thought breathed? Okay, oh good god? Okay. Do you
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Speaker 1: think she is bond beyond any help? I hold though,
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Speaker 1: too scared to get too close to her. Okay, just
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Speaker 1: stay on the phone with me, sir. I'm I'm here
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Speaker 1: with you. I'm here straight out to Dave Mack, syndicated
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Speaker 1: radio hosts joining us. Dave, question, let's take it from
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Speaker 1: the beginning. What do we know about this pastor what
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Speaker 1: do we know about him? Well, we know that he
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Speaker 1: graduated from Bible College a couple of years ago, but
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Speaker 1: he's been working mowing yards, I mean, basically trying to
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Speaker 1: make a living that's pretty much where it is. And
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Speaker 1: he claims that he took too much called medicine and
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Speaker 1: then woke up to this nightmare. Okay, here's my concern. Okay,
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Speaker 1: first of all about her, but I'm trying to decipher
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Speaker 1: what I can learn from that nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Dr Daniel Bober. He's totally out of breath.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously physically exerted. So how can he argue that
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Speaker 1: he is it was asleep, that he was asleep at
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Speaker 1: the time this happened. Well, Nancy, I think what he
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Speaker 1: was trying to say is that he was in some
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Speaker 1: sort of altered state of consciousness or dissociative state, and
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Speaker 1: he didn't realize what he was doing, and maybe that
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Speaker 1: sound of him being out of breath was actually him
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Speaker 1: being distraught. So I don't think that this is a
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Speaker 1: very distraught. Is that what they taught you in medical school.
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Speaker 1: You're covered in blood, Your wife is covered in stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: She fought with you because obviously she was asleep in
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Speaker 1: the bed. Now she's in the floor. She didn't magically
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Speaker 1: appear there. Um, so there was a fight. But you
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Speaker 1: are telling me he was breathing heavily because he was upset. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: maybe there if she was in fact sleeping, then she
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Speaker 1: was essentially ambushed. Maybe there was no chance for a
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Speaker 1: fight because he stabbed her repeatedly. She probably lost so
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Speaker 1: much blood, there was so much catastrophic loss of blood
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Speaker 1: that there probably wasn't much of a chance for to
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Speaker 1: even react if she was sleeping, If she was sound asleep.
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Speaker 1: So how did she get on the floor thrashing moving about?
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Speaker 1: Maybe he pushed her on the floor. It's hard to
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Speaker 1: know about. What we do know is that she thought
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Speaker 1: that's how she got on the floor. I wish we
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Speaker 1: were in the rain together, Bober. Okay, what about this
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Speaker 1: guy's the wife Lauren Lauren Hugel Mayer killed by her
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Speaker 1: husband Matthew Phelps, found dead on their Raleigh in their
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Speaker 1: Raleigh home there in North Carolina. He claims he has
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Speaker 1: taken he had taken quote too much correscedon cold and
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Speaker 1: cough medicine before bed. And the reason we're on this today,
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Speaker 1: he's had it to court and I cannot wait to
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Speaker 1: hear what he is going to say. Why doesn't he
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Speaker 1: Dave Max, syndicated talk show host, just stand up and
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Speaker 1: go Okay, you know what I'm manning up, I did it.
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Speaker 1: Oh No, he's not gonna do that that. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: drag us all down his primrose path of b s.
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Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen. He's either going to play not
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Speaker 1: guilty or claim he has a mental defect. What about it,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matchel? In reality, this cores Sedon defense. Actually looking
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Speaker 1: at the history of course Seden, They've never had and
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Speaker 1: never had a violent outburst attributed to Core Seden. What
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Speaker 1: we do know is that because he was aware of
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Speaker 1: overtaking it. I'm guessing, and this is just me throwing
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Speaker 1: it out there. I'm guessing this guy uses Coros Seden
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Speaker 1: to get a buzz and that was just his first
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Speaker 1: go to thing. Is that he'd been doing it. This
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Speaker 1: woman apparently was just a sweet, sweet lady, a Sunday
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Speaker 1: school teacher, you know, is trying to start work at
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Speaker 1: home in her spare time because her husband was mowing yards,
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Speaker 1: even though he has an evangelical degree from a Bible College.
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Speaker 1: M Okay, let me just say, says, nobody asked that
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Speaker 1: in our Methodist church, mocked me. If you want, we
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Speaker 1: are peace loving, a peace loving bunch that loves to sing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: unlike others, we do dance and drink, not me, of course,
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Speaker 1: but then they drink. So this is what I know.
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Speaker 1: In the Methodist church. You have to take a psychological
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Speaker 1: exam before you can get up in the pulpit. You
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Speaker 1: just don't graduate from Bible school or online somewhere, and
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Speaker 1: then suddenly you're just up in the pulpit helping other
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Speaker 1: people figure out their problems. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: I've been told that Jim Jones, remember the kool aid Um,
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Speaker 1: try to be a Methodist pastor and was turned down
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Speaker 1: because he failed the psychological. Now I'm just wondering. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that Phelps couldn't pass the psychological He did
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Speaker 1: not go to a Methodist seminary, went to a different
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Speaker 1: I can't remember something in Kentucky. I've got to look
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Speaker 1: it up again. It was it was actually a Southern
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Speaker 1: Baptist College Kentucky and Nancy. Something you don't know about
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Speaker 1: me is I actually did go to a Bible college
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Speaker 1: after going to North Carolina State. Well what happened? Why
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Speaker 1: are you a sini? Got a talk to you host? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm actually I am an ordained pastor. But the bottom
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Speaker 1: line is that, you know, we tend to look at
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Speaker 1: things um differently when somebody has a background in a
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Speaker 1: Bible oriented thing like he did. You know, I'm guilty
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Speaker 1: of that and I shouldn't. But when I when I believe,
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Speaker 1: I just instinctively think, when you are a pastor or
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Speaker 1: involved in somehow in religion, whether it's a synagogue or
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Speaker 1: uh church or a mosque or whatever it may be,
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Speaker 1: you have taken on the indisha of you know, being
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Speaker 1: a religious person that cares about other people and they're
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Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing, And to me, it
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Speaker 1: puts you sets you up to a higher bar, a
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Speaker 1: higher standard. I know that's not right, but that's just
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Speaker 1: what I think. Actually, you know, if you and I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna get into a Sunday School lesson here, but
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Speaker 1: you know, if you read the Book of James in
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Speaker 1: the New Testament, it says those who teach you're going
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Speaker 1: to be judged at a higher level than those who
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Speaker 1: choose not to teach. With the the confines of the church.
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Speaker 1: This guy is pretty much listened to Dave mac throwing
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Speaker 1: some New testamentary. Sorry man, I didn't don't be sorry,
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Speaker 1: be proud, be loud and proud man. Look, I love Jesus,
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Speaker 1: but there are crazy people in every walk of life,
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Speaker 1: and there are losers in every walk of life. This
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Speaker 1: guy is an abject failure in life. She graduated within
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Speaker 1: a degree in evangelism and missionary work, and here we
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Speaker 1: are five years after he graduates, and he's mowing yards
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Speaker 1: for a living. And by the way, not even mowing
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Speaker 1: yards in Raleigh, North Carolina, but working for a company
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Speaker 1: that's actually based out of Greensboro, several hours away. This
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Speaker 1: guy was a failure in multiple cities. And his poor wife,
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Speaker 1: she's teaching Sunday school and trying to start an at
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Speaker 1: work home work at home thing on Facebook, just to
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Speaker 1: try to bring some money into the house. Look, I've
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Speaker 1: been there, Dr Daniel Bober. I remember in law school
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Speaker 1: I was so broke. My study partner and I, Frank,
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Speaker 1: we would go to Del Taco on Tuesday nights because
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Speaker 1: I think you could get three tacos for nine cents.
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Speaker 1: That was the big night, okay. And I would have
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Speaker 1: to This is before you could look it up on
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Speaker 1: your you know, laptop of your iPad. I'd have to
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Speaker 1: drive through the bank. Hold on check my balance, and
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Speaker 1: I would actually sometimes write the check for the tacos.
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Speaker 1: I would not even have two dollars to rub together.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I kept gas in the car,
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Speaker 1: but I hear it. We've pretty much everybody has been there.
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Speaker 1: I'm just looking again to get to leave Jesus out
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Speaker 1: of this, and the money and the yards and the
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Speaker 1: lawnmowers out of this. Get back to the actual incident
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Speaker 1: and the fact that he has headed to court and
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Speaker 1: the next couple of days and something's gonna give. Um,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, what do you what? How do you expect
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Speaker 1: him to present in court? I think that this is
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Speaker 1: the only explanation that he really has to account for
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Speaker 1: his behavior. I think. I mean, some people would say
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Speaker 1: he's throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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Speaker 1: But you know, there's no it's very, very improbable that
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Speaker 1: this defense will work in the nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: Is not helpful to him at all. But I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that this is what he's gonna go for because this
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Speaker 1: is all he has, you know. Dave Max, syndicated talk
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Speaker 1: show host, joining me. I want to follow up on
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Speaker 1: what Dr Bober is saying. Pretty much Bober has been right, Um,
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Speaker 1: he's he's kind of painting himself into a corner. He's
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Speaker 1: either got to play guilty, which he's not going to do,
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Speaker 1: not guilty, or a mental defect. I expect strong length
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Speaker 1: whether he's got a defect or not. That's what he's
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Speaker 1: going to plead. That's gonna send us down the road
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Speaker 1: of months and months and months of exams, testing, psychological evaluations.
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Speaker 1: He'll be sent to a special facility to be tested.
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Speaker 1: No telling how long that will take. But he's again
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Speaker 1: and blaming this on course, Sadan, did you know what
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Speaker 1: I think one of you said to start with? It
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Speaker 1: is right? He actually said I took it to make
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Speaker 1: me feel good and to help me go to sleep.
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Speaker 1: Nothing about I've been sick, nothing like that at all.
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Speaker 1: He took it to get high and then go to sleep.
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Speaker 1: Dave yea, that is what I saw from the very beginning,
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Speaker 1: and is when not that dissimilar from people using what
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Speaker 1: they call whippets. You know, there's all kinds of ways
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Speaker 1: you can use over the counter medications to cop a
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Speaker 1: buzz and just don't throw it out there. I didn't
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Speaker 1: even know what a whip it was until Jimmy Moore
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Speaker 1: sucked a couple up and got in trouble explain what
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Speaker 1: a whipp it is. OK, that's and I'm not an
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Speaker 1: expert in this at all, but and that's where I
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Speaker 1: actually found out what it was from Jimmy Moore. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's using the UH over the counter or the the
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Speaker 1: dairy topping you know that has the aerosol in the
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Speaker 1: bottom of the can and they poke a hole in
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Speaker 1: and they suck that out to get the buzz from
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Speaker 1: the ariazol. Yeah. And so the same thing with this
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Speaker 1: Corus Seden is that young people have been using the
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Speaker 1: Corus sedon over the last several years. They take a
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Speaker 1: large number ten or twelve of the tablets, I guess,
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Speaker 1: and that renders them into some state of euphoria. Guys.
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Speaker 1: Sleepwalking defense has actually worked a couple of times because
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Speaker 1: he's saying he was odd on Corus seden. Coughs are
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Speaker 1: which bear aspirin, by the way, has vehemently denied they're
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Speaker 1: the ones that make the Corus seden. And it's just like, um, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: what are the different coughs syrups? They'll say, like robert usin,
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Speaker 1: Robertestin d M, or Robertestin x M or I don't
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Speaker 1: know all the little letters beside them means something different.
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Speaker 1: This had it too, right, Yeah, she's saying, yes, it's
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Speaker 1: Corse Eden like ABC. There's something. Yeah, maybe something like that.
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Speaker 1: Alan and those stand This is not just regular corous scene.
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Speaker 1: But Bear is saying, no way. Let me tell you
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Speaker 1: about these cases very quickly. They actually he was saying
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Speaker 1: it made him go to sleep, into a deep sleep.
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Speaker 1: There was Massachusetts versus Terrell all the way back to
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Speaker 1: eighteen forty six. He was acquitted in the murder of
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Speaker 1: a prostitute in Boston. He slipped the woman's throat, He
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Speaker 1: set fire to the brothel, then fled to New Orleans,
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Speaker 1: and he agreed that he The jury agreed and found
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Speaker 1: him not guilty when he claimed he was a chronic sleepwalker. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now that was in eighteen six, All right, hold on.
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Speaker 1: Then there was fame that's in the eighteen seventies. A
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Speaker 1: man goes to sleep in the lobby of a Kentucky hotel.
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Speaker 1: The porter shook him to wake him up. Man pulled
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Speaker 1: a gun and shot him. That sounds a lot like
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Speaker 1: the current Tex mc iver case that's going on in Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: where the guy woke up in the back seat and
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Speaker 1: shot his wife. Okay, there's that when he was found guilty. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that conviction was reversed State versus Bradley. We're moving up
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Speaker 1: time to the nineteen twenties in Texas, same thing. He
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Speaker 1: and his mistress were getting ready to go to bed.
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Speaker 1: He became quote alarmed about an enemy who made a
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Speaker 1: threat against him. Somehow he's asleep, He lights the lamp
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Speaker 1: and his girlfriend ends up dead. Okay, Um, Regina versus Parks.
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Speaker 1: That's in Canada. That's much more recent. Nineteen seven. Now
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Speaker 1: catch this Dr Bober. The guy murders his mother in
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Speaker 1: law and he used a sleepwalking defense. He got out
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Speaker 1: of bed, drove fourteen miles to his mother in law's house,
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Speaker 1: and strangled his father in law until he passed out,
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Speaker 1: and blunting the mother in law with a tire iron,
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Speaker 1: stabbed them both with the kitchen knife. The mother in
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Speaker 1: law dies, the father in law barely survives. Okay, he
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Speaker 1: was found not guilty. But that's Canada. Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what is going on up there. Then you've got
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Speaker 1: a ninety four case and that one. Um, he was
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Speaker 1: sentenced with the same defense. Arizona v. Falater and seven.
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Speaker 1: That was pretty famous. That guy was a devout Mormon.
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Speaker 1: He stabbed his wife forty four times with a hunting knife,
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Speaker 1: dragged her into the backyard pool and held her head underwater. Whoopsie, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they found him guilty. In my last one, California versus Rentz,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Rentz killed his lover and she was a married
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Speaker 1: woman in her forties during what was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a romantic getaway to Catalina Island. Well, long story short,
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Speaker 1: at the end of that trial, uh, the jury heard
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Speaker 1: him claim he did it as he was sleepwalking, and
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Speaker 1: they convicted him. There have been a couple of more.
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Speaker 1: One guy that I covered strangled his little boy dead
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Speaker 1: under a lot of financial problems when a jury let
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Speaker 1: him go, and this was recent. I just covered this
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Speaker 1: in the last say five years. The wife passed out
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Speaker 1: And just a couple of days, a young aspiring pastor
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Speaker 1: is heading to court and we're all wondering and analyzing
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Speaker 1: what is going to happen. We're talking, of course, this
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Speaker 1: is just after the funeral for his twenty nine year
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Speaker 1: old wife has been held. We are talking about her husband,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Phelps now charge you with killing his wife, Lauren
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Speaker 1: at the Raleigh, North Carolina home in the early morning
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Speaker 1: hours of a Friday morning. I want you to listen
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Speaker 1: to the rest of that nine one one call Alan,
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Speaker 1: When did you When did you wake up? The time
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Speaker 1: is so I don't even know what time it is
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Speaker 1: all right, stay on the phone with me, so I
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Speaker 1: just gonna ask if you questions. Okay, I'm getting some
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Speaker 1: help to you. Are you with are you with the patient? Now? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: We can see your okay, all right? How does the howard?
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Speaker 1: Is the patient? How's your she's pretty DoD? Okay? Is
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Speaker 1: she is? She awakened? All right? Now? What makes you
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Speaker 1: think she's there? Does she await? She thought? Breathed? Okay,
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Speaker 1: oh good god? Okay, do you think she is bond
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Speaker 1: beyond any help? I hold though, I too scared to
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Speaker 1: get too close to her. Okay, to stay on the
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Speaker 1: phone with me, sir, I'm here with you. I'm here
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Speaker 1: with you. I'm so scared alright. I've already sent the
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Speaker 1: paramedics healthy Okay, I'm saying it to want to assist you.
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Speaker 1: Just please leave everything as you founded? Is there anything
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Speaker 1: else you can do for you? That? Where's where's the night?
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Speaker 1: Right now? If I saw the bed, I'm not mixed
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Speaker 1: to it. Well, I'm not. I don't have the lesson
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Speaker 1: on me and itth like that. Okay, when did you
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Speaker 1: when did you wake up? No? I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: took I took war medicine than I should have. What
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Speaker 1: medicine did you take? I took. I took core seating,
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Speaker 1: casting colds course seat and she casting bold because I
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Speaker 1: know it can make you feel good. So a lot
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Speaker 1: of times I can't sleep at night. Okay, took some
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Speaker 1: all right? Never, what is it? What are you sure
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Speaker 1: it's not breathing, she's thought, Lacy, Oh god, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna stay. I'm gonna stay here with you. Okay, just
22:08
Speaker 1: just let's let's least see if she's breathing. Okay, all right,
22:14
Speaker 1: Mr Buer, just can you see her from where you're at? Yeah,
22:18
Speaker 1: it's so bad theod Okay, all right, I'm gonna stay
22:27
Speaker 1: here on the phone with you and to help get there. Okay, Um,
22:30
Speaker 1: just don't don't touch anything. Just look at if she
22:33
Speaker 1: is she's breathing at all? Is her chest moving? Is
22:35
Speaker 1: anything going on with her? No? Okay, Well, let's we're
22:40
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna leaves drive on me? Is you drive?
22:46
Speaker 1: The bloods is not wet on me? The blood is dry.
22:52
Speaker 1: So okay, I don't know what. All right, Well, at
22:58
Speaker 1: least look, we're gonna at least try to help her. Okay,
23:00
Speaker 1: all right, just give me this, all right, I've already
23:03
Speaker 1: sent the paramedics to help you. Just down a one.
23:04
Speaker 1: I'm going to exactly what to do next. Okay, are
23:06
Speaker 1: are you right by her? Boy going? I know I
23:10
Speaker 1: can see every Oh my god, stay with me, sir,
23:15
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's just this upset, but we
23:17
Speaker 1: were gonna try to do what as much for as
23:19
Speaker 1: you can. If you're not sure that she's gone, we're
23:21
Speaker 1: gonna try to help her. Okay, So just listen, carefu
23:23
Speaker 1: you just listen, okay, sir? Or just just look at
23:28
Speaker 1: her right now? Is the king telling? What you see?
23:30
Speaker 1: Is she gets the chest moving and she's breathing anything
23:32
Speaker 1: at all, she's this is all He's so deserved. This
23:55
Speaker 1: why I understand, Sir, I understand. But right now we
23:58
Speaker 1: just want to make sure we're doing this much as possible.
24:01
Speaker 1: Is there anyone else at all in the home with you? Fosed?
24:04
Speaker 1: Just you and her? Where are you in the house?
24:10
Speaker 1: Where are you in the house, sir? Because says the
24:16
Speaker 1: wire don't ar? Okay, well, all right, is the door unlocked?
24:30
Speaker 1: Can you can you go do that for me? Sir?
24:31
Speaker 1: That waited paramedics get in? Can are you able to
24:34
Speaker 1: do that? Okay? Go ahead and go ahead, stay on
24:38
Speaker 1: the stand, the phone was, and go ahead and unlock
24:39
Speaker 1: the door. Okay, would you saying, sir? You say, go
24:52
Speaker 1: ahead and unlocked the Let me know when you're done that. Okay,
24:54
Speaker 1: let me know when the doors unlocked. Mh she okay,
25:05
Speaker 1: the officers there. Okay, I'm gonna let you go. I'm
25:09
Speaker 1: gonna let you go. Over Afraid to touch her, Dave Max,
25:16
Speaker 1: syndicated talk show host. What he stabs her dead, He's
25:19
Speaker 1: covered in her blood, he's slept with her, they're married.
25:23
Speaker 1: He's afraid to touch her. What? Dave, Matt, you know,
25:27
Speaker 1: the whole story reeks of just making it up as
25:29
Speaker 1: you go along. And I can't figure out where that
25:31
Speaker 1: even came from. The guy's covered in blood, he sees
25:34
Speaker 1: his wife, and he's afraid to check to see if
25:35
Speaker 1: she's alive. I have no answer on that one, Nancy,
25:39
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. It just is crazy. It's a big
25:41
Speaker 1: bag of made up crazy, big bag of made up crazy.
25:43
Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober. There you hear, uh, Dave Mac and
25:47
Speaker 1: my professional analysis, big bag of made up crazy. Somehow,
25:52
Speaker 1: I don't think they taught you that in med school.
25:54
Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober renowned forensic psychilogists joining us. So now
25:58
Speaker 1: he's afraid to touch her. Yeah, Anti, the whole thing
26:01
Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense. It's uh, I don't know if
26:03
Speaker 1: I would use that technical term that you both use,
26:05
Speaker 1: but uh, certainly you know this is something that's highly improbable,
26:10
Speaker 1: but it is possible. I've never seen a case of
26:12
Speaker 1: murder Encoreus Seden. Uh. There have been some adverse or
26:16
Speaker 1: untoward reactions, but it's not something, uh that's ever been
26:20
Speaker 1: documented that I've heard about. So I guess that's all
26:22
Speaker 1: he's got right now, and that's what he's gonna stick with.
26:24
Speaker 1: Alan joining us out of l A. Alan, you're saying
26:27
Speaker 1: it's corus Seeden h Happy b brother P Pennsylvania h
26:34
Speaker 1: p P. It stands for high blood pressure. That doesn't
26:37
Speaker 1: mean he had high blood pressure. People take it who
26:39
Speaker 1: don't have that. But it's, I guess, just a certain
26:41
Speaker 1: formula that gives a certain effect. Because he didn't say
26:43
Speaker 1: he was taking it for a cold. He said he
26:45
Speaker 1: was taking it to make him feel. Yeah, let me
26:46
Speaker 1: remind everybody, as the sole legal voice on the panel
26:50
Speaker 1: right now, voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not
26:54
Speaker 1: a defense, never a defense unless you're commatas. Commatas does
26:59
Speaker 1: not mean and an alter state to just sleep walking.
27:01
Speaker 1: It means common tose, as in you're lying there, not
27:05
Speaker 1: walking around with a knife in your hand. Dr Daniel Bober,
27:08
Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrist Corus st h b P. Is that for
27:12
Speaker 1: paople with high blood pressure, does cost start make your
27:15
Speaker 1: blood pressure go up? It can. I'm guessing it's for.
27:18
Speaker 1: It's probably for. I don't actually know that it stands
27:21
Speaker 1: for a high blood pressure, but it does. I just
27:24
Speaker 1: looked at that when when Alan told me that it
27:27
Speaker 1: must be for people with high blood probabus for people
27:29
Speaker 1: with high blood pressure that it won't raise their blood pressure.
27:32
Speaker 1: But it has chlorophan aramine, which is an anahistamine, and
27:35
Speaker 1: the dexter methorphan, which is the ingredient that we're targeting
27:38
Speaker 1: here that has a similar effect to PCP and ketamine
27:42
Speaker 1: which can cause these dissociative states. So that's kind of
27:46
Speaker 1: what they're focused on. So I guess you're pretty proud
27:49
Speaker 1: of yourself, Dr Bober. The way you sling around all
27:51
Speaker 1: those words to you gotta dummy down. Okay, I'm just
27:54
Speaker 1: a trial lawyer. Okay, Now, Alan do I can't really
27:58
Speaker 1: speak for him, but you got a dumb down for me.
28:00
Speaker 1: What did you just say? The two ketamine which we've
28:05
Speaker 1: heard about used. The street name is special K and yes, okay,
28:09
Speaker 1: now you're talking now I get it. And PCP angel
28:12
Speaker 1: dos pcp uh chemically related to that, to these substances,
28:17
Speaker 1: and that's what their defense is going to focus on. That.
28:19
Speaker 1: He's going to say, caud this altered state which he
28:22
Speaker 1: committed the crime during, but he took it voluntarily, Alan Duke,
28:26
Speaker 1: he took it voluntarily. It's not like this was an accident. Win.
28:31
Speaker 1: I mean, if that were true, everybody in the Fulton
28:34
Speaker 1: County Jail will be out right now. That all claim
28:36
Speaker 1: they had it's flu and cold, cold and flue season,
28:39
Speaker 1: that they were on coursing and HPP, that's not a difference.
28:43
Speaker 1: This was premeditated that you gotta read the warning signs.
28:47
Speaker 1: Of course, it doesn't say on the little in the
28:49
Speaker 1: little fine print. It doesn't say may cause you to
28:51
Speaker 1: wake up and kill your Why he is appearing in court,
28:54
Speaker 1: I believe he'll be transferred over and appear in person.
28:57
Speaker 1: There's always a chance it may be a video appearance.
29:01
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening in the nine one one.
29:04
Speaker 1: He sounds like he's struggling to breathe. He goes there's
29:08
Speaker 1: blood all over me. There's a bloody knife in the bed,
29:10
Speaker 1: and I think I did it. I can't believe this.
29:14
Speaker 1: He's struggling for breath. He goes on, I can't believe
29:17
Speaker 1: I did this. I don't even know what time it is.
29:20
Speaker 1: I can see her, she's not breathing. O m G.
29:25
Speaker 1: I took more medicine than I should have. I'm scared
29:28
Speaker 1: to get too close to her. I took coursine coughing
29:32
Speaker 1: cold because I know it can make you feel good,
29:36
Speaker 1: and a lot of times I can't sleep at night.
29:40
Speaker 1: Isn't that what he said? Dave Max, That's exactly what
29:42
Speaker 1: he said. And obviously by saying I think I took
29:45
Speaker 1: too much, he regularly takes this to cop of buzz,
29:48
Speaker 1: not because he's got a coffin cold. He knew exactly
29:51
Speaker 1: what he was doing to get high. And you know
29:53
Speaker 1: he's using that as an excuse for killing his wife.
29:55
Speaker 1: Or he took it because you couldn't sleep, which is
29:57
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Why is that different? It's still
29:59
Speaker 1: volunte Harry, Well, it's voluntary, but he didn't in the words.
30:02
Speaker 1: The difference is that he's not using it recreationally. He's
30:04
Speaker 1: using it as a sleep agent instead of to catch
30:07
Speaker 1: a buzz. You didn't actually say I'm using it to
30:08
Speaker 1: catch a buzz. Maybe when he said, I meant it
30:11
Speaker 1: I took it to feel good. What he was saying
30:13
Speaker 1: was I'm taking it because I couldn't sleep and I
30:14
Speaker 1: had insomnia. I'm just looking at all the possible ways
30:17
Speaker 1: the defense could spend this, in his Bennet, to his benefit.
30:20
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. I disagree with you, but you're
30:22
Speaker 1: right that you have to You know, when when you
30:24
Speaker 1: go to court, it's a battle, and if you go
30:27
Speaker 1: in with um with just your case prepared your you
30:32
Speaker 1: may very well lose. You have to go in not
30:34
Speaker 1: only with your case totally ready. You have to be
30:38
Speaker 1: prepared to battle their case. You have to anticipate what
30:41
Speaker 1: they're going to do and be ready to attack it
30:45
Speaker 1: and destroy it. So Bober is right in that he said,
30:49
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting, I took more medicine than I should have.
30:53
Speaker 1: I took coursing cough and cold because I know it
30:56
Speaker 1: can make you feel good. So a lot of times
31:01
Speaker 1: I can't sleep at night. Okay, so yeah, they're probably
31:04
Speaker 1: gonna go with the sleep thing. But let's analyze this.
31:08
Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober. Listen to this. To claim that he
31:11
Speaker 1: was asleep for whatever reason, whether it's coresden or something
31:16
Speaker 1: else or nothing, he's using the sleep walking defense for
31:20
Speaker 1: whatever agent made him sleepy. To me as irrelevant, he's
31:25
Speaker 1: using a sleepwalking defense. Listen to this. He had to
31:29
Speaker 1: get up out of bed. He had to go get
31:31
Speaker 1: the kitchen knife in the kitchen unless he had it
31:34
Speaker 1: by the bed, which means it's even more premeditated than
31:36
Speaker 1: we think. Gets it out of the kitchen, walks back
31:39
Speaker 1: to the bedroom, targets his wife in the dark because
31:44
Speaker 1: he said later on the nine one one that he
31:46
Speaker 1: turned on the light. Targets his wife, begins to stab her.
31:52
Speaker 1: She struggles. He stabs her multiple times. Think of the exertion,
31:57
Speaker 1: the power, the physical manure ring to raise a knife
32:01
Speaker 1: and pull it down over and over and over. She
32:04
Speaker 1: gets out of bed, she struggles away, he continues. Then
32:09
Speaker 1: he's covered in blood. She's covered in blood. He goes
32:13
Speaker 1: to the phone, turns on the lie dolls one. How
32:17
Speaker 1: in the hey Daniel Bober did he sleep through all that?
32:21
Speaker 1: That's my point. Well, Nancy, you know in that in
32:23
Speaker 1: the Canada case that you mentioned, uh, the gentleman who
32:28
Speaker 1: drove fourteen miles. I mean, people have been known to
32:31
Speaker 1: exhibit these complex behaviors in these sleepwalking defenses. So again,
32:34
Speaker 1: although it sounds completely far out and in another universe, um,
32:38
Speaker 1: it is possible in these sleepwalking states to commit these
32:43
Speaker 1: types of behaviors. And I'm not saying that's what happened
32:45
Speaker 1: in this case, but it is possible. What about the
32:48
Speaker 1: fact Dave Max, syndicated talk show host, that the blood
32:52
Speaker 1: had dried means that had happened at least and you know,
32:56
Speaker 1: got blowers before and uh, I see that's where the
32:59
Speaker 1: exert something. When you talked about him being out of
33:01
Speaker 1: breath and everything, I thought that sounded made up to
33:03
Speaker 1: me like this had already happened. He had spun a
33:05
Speaker 1: story over the last hour or two, and so when
33:07
Speaker 1: he called, he actually tried to hyperventilate to make himself
33:10
Speaker 1: sound in that exert stay at the time like he
33:12
Speaker 1: was panicked or whatever. I think it was just premeditated
33:15
Speaker 1: from beginning to end, and that that's why the blood
33:17
Speaker 1: was dry. Because he took him that long to figure
33:19
Speaker 1: out what he was gonna say. What about that, Dr Bober,
33:21
Speaker 1: because um, Jackie over here is waving it around on
33:26
Speaker 1: a notepad. The blood was dry. Dr Bober, you're not
33:30
Speaker 1: just a psychiatrist. You are I forensic psychiatrist. I would
33:34
Speaker 1: like you to use all your degrees for good, not evil.
33:37
Speaker 1: So what does the blood being dried mean? Do you?
33:41
Speaker 1: No doubt? It's problematic, just like the nine one one call,
33:43
Speaker 1: it's not consistent. If the blood was dry, then clearly
33:46
Speaker 1: when he made that call, Um, you know she had
33:49
Speaker 1: been sitting there for some extended period of time, which
33:52
Speaker 1: the timeline doesn't fit for what he's trying to say.
33:54
Speaker 1: So no doubt, that's a big problem. Well what does
33:57
Speaker 1: it mean? I know it's a problem, but let's extrapolate.
34:00
Speaker 1: Let's figure out what it means. I mean, when you
34:02
Speaker 1: present something like this to a jury, you have you
34:04
Speaker 1: give them a fat and then you make an argument
34:06
Speaker 1: based on that one fact, than another fact, than another fact,
34:09
Speaker 1: until you've built a mountain of facts. So what is
34:12
Speaker 1: the fact that her blood was already dry mean to you?
34:16
Speaker 1: Dr Bober? It means there was some time for him
34:19
Speaker 1: to there was some delay there was. This was not
34:22
Speaker 1: something where he turned and he did it and he
34:24
Speaker 1: called it. There was some sort of a time delay
34:26
Speaker 1: for that blood to dry. Now, I'm not a blood
34:28
Speaker 1: spladder analyst, or I can't tell you exactly how much time.
34:32
Speaker 1: You know, it depends where the blood was and what
34:33
Speaker 1: service had reached. But clearly there was enough time for
34:36
Speaker 1: him to maybe think about what he was going to
34:38
Speaker 1: say or stage the scene. But it's not it's not
34:41
Speaker 1: good for it. What about it? Joining me? Also, Alan
34:44
Speaker 1: deep the fact that blood was dry. Yeah, you gotta
34:47
Speaker 1: you gotta think that. He didn't stab her then fall
34:50
Speaker 1: back asleep. So he stabbed her state awake, thought about it,
34:53
Speaker 1: and then called nine one one. We've heard acting jobs
34:56
Speaker 1: like that before, you know, And either of you gone
35:01
Speaker 1: to there We're getting Married website because I'm looking at
35:06
Speaker 1: it right now. Lauren and matt Our story. It starts
35:10
Speaker 1: with a new hope, a new beginning. I've been reading this,
35:15
Speaker 1: and Matthew says to her because they're at Panera bread
35:19
Speaker 1: and Matthew says, do you remember when I worked at
35:21
Speaker 1: the Old Folks Home wrapping presents? Okay, and they're talking.
35:27
Speaker 1: I'm just learning a lot about them, and he went
35:30
Speaker 1: on to explain that that place had an in home
35:33
Speaker 1: theater and thought it would be cool to watch Star
35:35
Speaker 1: Wars Return of the Jedi before going to see Force Awakens.
35:39
Speaker 1: Awakens coming out that week. That's when they find out
35:43
Speaker 1: they have this huge love of Star Wars, Dave Mac.
35:45
Speaker 1: Didn't they incorporate that into their wedding? They actually did,
35:49
Speaker 1: and you can see the pictures on their Facebook page
35:52
Speaker 1: showing their lightsaber dance at the reception. You know, most
35:56
Speaker 1: of us danced to a slow, beautiful song with our
35:58
Speaker 1: new spouse, and they did a lightsaber dance. I'm not judging.
36:04
Speaker 1: I am not judging, but I'm just interested in everything
36:08
Speaker 1: about them, about their relationship, about their courtship, what could
36:13
Speaker 1: have gone wrong. I'll tell you why I'm interested because
36:15
Speaker 1: of the dry blood. I'm interested because the blood being
36:20
Speaker 1: dried tells me it happened a long time before the
36:24
Speaker 1: nine one one call. What has he been doing during
36:28
Speaker 1: that time? Did he make up the defense? Is that
36:33
Speaker 1: what happened? Did he really just become angry at her
36:36
Speaker 1: over something and stab her? That's That's what I'm trying
36:39
Speaker 1: to figure out. Because of the dried blood that spins
36:42
Speaker 1: in an entirely different tale now that I know he
36:46
Speaker 1: didn't just turn the light on and call nine one one.
36:50
Speaker 1: It had been at least an hour or more for
36:54
Speaker 1: that blood to dry before he called. He says, I
36:59
Speaker 1: had a dream, I turned on the lights and she's
37:01
Speaker 1: dead on the floor. What do we know, What, if anything,
37:09
Speaker 1: do we know about their relationship, David Matt except they
37:12
Speaker 1: were under a lot of stress financially. Just that night before,
37:16
Speaker 1: she had been on Lyne doing a sin C S
37:19
Speaker 1: C E N T S Y. I think it's like
37:23
Speaker 1: a candle shop advertisement, trying to sell it from home.
37:29
Speaker 1: So they were scrapping, Dave, I know they had that problem.
37:33
Speaker 1: And you know, you look at this both of them,
37:35
Speaker 1: you know, in their late twenties. They hadn't even been
37:37
Speaker 1: married that long. They got married last November, and you know,
37:41
Speaker 1: they shared some basic things on the top level. They
37:44
Speaker 1: only dated for about two years, met online. And when
37:47
Speaker 1: you start analyzing the relationship and it does seem sweet, uh,
37:51
Speaker 1: the Star Wars thing or the Back to the Future
37:54
Speaker 1: thing or whatever there happens to be that bound them together,
37:56
Speaker 1: we're pretty super Yeah, they were right on the top level.
37:59
Speaker 1: What happened in the deeper level. I don't know. She
38:01
Speaker 1: was a huge volunteer with the youth group at her
38:03
Speaker 1: church there in Raleigh, North Carolina. We don't see where
38:06
Speaker 1: he's dug in at a home church. We know that
38:08
Speaker 1: he went to a Bible college, but we're not seeing
38:11
Speaker 1: the effects of what do you do with that degree.
38:13
Speaker 1: He's mowing yards. You would think with a degree in
38:16
Speaker 1: evangelism or in missionary work that that's what he would
38:19
Speaker 1: be doing. Meanwhile, she is involved in her church and
38:22
Speaker 1: teaching Sunday School. We don't see that from his side.
38:24
Speaker 1: So what was there at a level that gets past
38:27
Speaker 1: the surface level of a relationship. Where was the depth
38:29
Speaker 1: and what was really going on? Only time will tell
38:32
Speaker 1: because we weren't there and don't know. I know she
38:35
Speaker 1: graduated from Appalachian State. She worked as an auditor, and
38:39
Speaker 1: she also ran that personal sales business. I guess since
38:42
Speaker 1: it's what they're talking about and that she loved her
38:45
Speaker 1: job according to her family. I'm actually looking at the
38:48
Speaker 1: video right now. It's kind of heartbreaking. Jack. You look
38:51
Speaker 1: at this. Look how cute she is. She's holding up
38:53
Speaker 1: the candle and she's, you know, talking about it. Hold
38:57
Speaker 1: on Alan. I wish you could play that for us
39:01
Speaker 1: right there if you can. And so I'm sorry for
39:05
Speaker 1: the barking. I probably should um burry up. My phone
39:08
Speaker 1: is dying. Um. But anyways, so this is the sense
39:11
Speaker 1: you go. It is super super amazing. Barging me up, Jennifer. Um,
39:16
Speaker 1: it is super amazing. I am obsessed with it. I
39:20
Speaker 1: cannot get over it. It has been the light of
39:24
Speaker 1: my life the past couple of weeks having it um
39:27
Speaker 1: at my desk. But I better get off here because
39:29
Speaker 1: my phone is yelling at me. It's about to die
39:32
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get cut off. UM. So
39:34
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for watching, and I will
39:36
Speaker 1: talk you to you guys later. By she volunteered her church.
39:41
Speaker 1: Was known for a big smile and being full of life.
39:45
Speaker 1: That's what we know about her and she and Phillips
39:48
Speaker 1: also went to the same middle school and reconnected over Instagram,
39:53
Speaker 1: bonding over their love for Star Wars. Um again, if
39:57
Speaker 1: you go online you see their lightsaber thing. They just
40:00
Speaker 1: seemed like a fun, loving, happy couple. She was laid
40:03
Speaker 1: to rest one day before Phelps appeared in court for
40:07
Speaker 1: the very first time. And now we are waiting to
40:10
Speaker 1: see just as unfold as he heads back to court.
40:16
Speaker 1: A do you I turns murder with me Crime Online
40:21
Speaker 1: contributing reporter Larry Mayor and of course Lee Aigan from
40:26
Speaker 1: crime Online. Larry, what happened? There was a car crash
40:29
Speaker 1: in you Falla, Alabama that's in the southeastern part of
40:32
Speaker 1: the state near the Georgia state line. A thirty five
40:35
Speaker 1: year old woman, Karen Frost, was driving a Honda Accord
40:39
Speaker 1: that crossed a center median and hit an oncoming car.
40:42
Speaker 1: There were five people in the car with Frost, including
40:46
Speaker 1: her daughter, and she was killed. Malaia Peterson was ten.
40:51
Speaker 1: The all the all six people in the car were injured,
40:54
Speaker 1: including Frost. Police file a murder charge against the mother,
40:59
Speaker 1: Karen Frost. She has also charged with driving under the
41:02
Speaker 1: influence of a controlled substance. That substance has not yet
41:06
Speaker 1: been identified publicly by the police. Frost, referring to as
41:11
Speaker 1: Larry Mayor, contributing reporter at crime Online just told us
41:16
Speaker 1: this you follow. A woman is now charged with murder
41:19
Speaker 1: and a d o I crash that killed her ten
41:22
Speaker 1: year old little girl. We're talking about thirty five year
41:26
Speaker 1: old mom Karen Frost. The wreck happened just after eight o'clock.
41:32
Speaker 1: A nine Honda Acura, as Larry just told us, crosses
41:37
Speaker 1: the median on you Fall Avenue, striking another vehicle. Chief
41:43
Speaker 1: Steve Watkins says Frost was the driver of the Honda,
41:47
Speaker 1: and she was among six people in the car, including
41:52
Speaker 1: the ten year old little girl, Malaya. She was rushed
41:55
Speaker 1: to the medical Center barber where she was then pronounced
41:58
Speaker 1: dead almost immediately. A forensic analysis reveals evidence leading investigators
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Speaker 1: to get a warrant. In addition to murder, she's charged
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Speaker 1: with d u I. When I hear that they rushed
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Speaker 1: to get a warrant, and I think I know what
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Speaker 1: it was for for her blood. Dr Bethany. She's also
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Speaker 1: charged with d u I because of a controlled substance
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Speaker 1: that's not booze. Dr Bethany, No, no, it's not. We
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Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Meth amphetamine, pot um opioids
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Speaker 1: to such an opioid epidemic. Now, but I want to say, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: regarding this ten year old daughter, I mean, a mother's
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Speaker 1: job is to protect her child. That is a mother's
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Speaker 1: primary job from a the time of child comes into
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Speaker 1: the world. She got behind the wheel under the influence
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Speaker 1: of a controlled substance with her ten year old daughter
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Speaker 1: in the in the car. Is it's so astounding to me.
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Speaker 1: Ten thousand approximate ten thousand people die every year in
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Speaker 1: alcohol or substance abuse related crashes. Do you know over
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Speaker 1: half of those people who die are passengers in the vehicles.
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Speaker 1: That really sheds a different light on this. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure when mom got drunk or used drugs of some
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Speaker 1: sort that night, she never anticipated a murder charge coming
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Speaker 1: out of it. This is what I know about Malayia.
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Speaker 1: She was beautiful. They say she never met a stranger.
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Speaker 1: She was at you Fall a Primary in Abbey Vale Elementary.
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Speaker 1: We also know that she was an honor roll student
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Speaker 1: and got award after award for perfect conduct. On top
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Speaker 1: of it, she never once in her life got a demerit.
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Speaker 1: She was a cheerleader for the peewee teams and secretary
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Speaker 1: of the four H Club. I gotta tell you something,
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Speaker 1: DT Bethany. When I heard secretary of the four H
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Speaker 1: Club head Heart, Hands and Health, it nearly broke my heart.
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Speaker 1: A ten year old little girl that's Lucy and John
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Speaker 1: David's age, and I loved for h at where I
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Speaker 1: grew up in rural Georgia. There wasn't a whole lot
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Speaker 1: going on. And I lived for that next for h
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Speaker 1: meeting and it just opened up a whole world of
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Speaker 1: topics and ideas and activities I didn't know anything about.
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Speaker 1: And between the bookmobile and the four Age Club that
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Speaker 1: was pretty much it. And the Methodist church up the street,
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Speaker 1: that was my world. And this little ten year old
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Speaker 1: girl is dead for what uh, you know, for what
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Speaker 1: a blunt? What? What? For what exactly? And you know,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Spring up the four Age this little girl is
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Speaker 1: functioning so highly in the world. I mean, she's she's right,
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Speaker 1: she's involved, never met a stranger, all the things that
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Speaker 1: you're describing, and yet she's living in the household with
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Speaker 1: an addict um. You know, where they're smoke, there's fire.
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Speaker 1: As we always say, this is not the first time
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Speaker 1: this mother has gotten behind the wheel high. It's not
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Speaker 1: the first time this ten year old little girl has
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Speaker 1: had to live with this mother or be in the
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Speaker 1: presence of this mother while the mother is using so UM.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what what situations was this little girl exposed to,
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Speaker 1: you know, for children to be around an adult who
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Speaker 1: is high, especially their own parents. It produces feelings that
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Speaker 1: are almost undigestible to see the parent with their eyes
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Speaker 1: glazed over, or stumbling around the house, or or unresponsive,
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Speaker 1: or or just to not have that connection with the parents,
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Speaker 1: to know that the parents checked out. So obviously, this homicide,
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Speaker 1: this murder, that the death of this little girl, it's
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Speaker 1: the worst of it. But this girl has been through
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Speaker 1: how prior to this she has not had a happy life.
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Speaker 1: She succeeded in life despite the type of mother that
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Speaker 1: she had. You know, it's heartbreaking. I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to Larry Mayor, uh contributing reporter investigative reporter with
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com. Larry, I was reading about little girl.
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Speaker 1: Malaya's dream was to be a pediatrician for underprivileged children
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Speaker 1: in other countries and offer her services for free. She
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Speaker 1: loved her pet bunny Lola, and her sister. And this
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Speaker 1: is what I found so poignant. She loved to play
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Speaker 1: dress up in her mom's high heels. Her mom that
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Speaker 1: was d u I Barney killed her. Where is the
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Speaker 1: mom right now, Larry Mayor, Well, she was taken into custody.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a report on whether she has made
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Speaker 1: fail or if bond will even be available to her.
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Speaker 1: Oftentimes a murder charge there is no bail. But this
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Speaker 1: case is going before a grand jury, and it's entirely
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Speaker 1: possible that she wouldn't be granted bail until after a
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Speaker 1: grand jury proceeding was completed. Larry, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: We are on the case. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,