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THROWBACK THURSDAY! BREAKDOWN- SHAKEDOWN: The Golden Child · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Throwback Thursday. So these are some of the
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  Speaker 1: oldies but goodies, the classics, and they are some of
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  Speaker 3: Howdy folks, your host Double J back here coming at
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  Speaker 3: you live slash live from my studio slash RV dining
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  Speaker 3: The city formerly known as Springfield, Ohio. You know, apparently
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  Speaker 3: the place where they're eating the cats or eating the dogs. Anyhow, folks,
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  Speaker 3: once again, your host, Double J, here. I will be
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  Speaker 3: your pilot navigator for tonight's shenanigan-infused journey into the mind
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  Speaker 3: of this particular garbage can dude. Got a real barn
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  Speaker 3: burner on deck for you folks here tonight, and we're
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  Speaker 3: going to go through an occult and or esoteric review
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  Speaker 3: of the 1986 cinematic masterpiece starring Eddie Murphy, The Golden Child.
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  Speaker 4: And joining me here tonight is Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, sir.
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  Speaker 5: What's going on, man? Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. And fellow Occult Rejects, Cosmic Pete's Julia
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  Speaker 3: and Jen the Ninja. Hi.
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  Speaker 6: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Operation GCD.
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  Speaker 4: Jen and Julia.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: You've been on, we've done Fridays, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think, together and some other shows, but this is your
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  Speaker 3: first Operation GCD experience, so. Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The grass is greener over here, I think. I
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  Speaker 2: like it. I like the air over here.
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  Speaker 7: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: I like green grass. I think Nick agrees with me
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  Speaker 3: on that one. He knows what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm glad to hear this came together in an
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  Speaker 3: unofficial fashion in such a fantastic way because, quite honestly,
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  Speaker 3: this spun out of tonight's show reviewing The Golden Child.
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  Speaker 3: If folks aren't familiar with the film, I will be
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  Speaker 3: playing a brief trailer here for us. And before we
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  Speaker 3: dive into any of the details, I found the original
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  Speaker 3: trailer that was the, I guess it was from early
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  Speaker 3: 1986 because it came out in December of 86, I believe,
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  Speaker 3: the film did. So it's a great trailer. It's a
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  Speaker 3: perfect 80s trailer. And it does a great job. It
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  Speaker 3: actually explains the story and the narrative of the plot line,
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  Speaker 3: whereas today's trailers do none of that. There's so many
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  Speaker 3: trailers I watch today, I'm like, what the fuck's this
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  Speaker 3: movie even about, man?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's quite honestly, I think it's the formula
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  Speaker 3: in which Hollywood makes films today.
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  Speaker 4: And that's one example.
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  Speaker 3: Don't want to go off on too big of a tangent,
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  Speaker 3: but one example, there was a film about 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: It was a Spanish language film even, and it was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be a drama film. And it was apparently this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they put a lot of money into it.
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  Speaker 3: So for some reason they wanted to try to save it. So,
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  Speaker 3: It was going to be completely shit-canned, and the studio
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  Speaker 3: called in, I believe it was Keanu Reeves, to come
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  Speaker 3: in for two weeks, film a bunch of scenes.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 5: We lost him. Oh, he's froze. Froze on his own show.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't that horrible?
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  Speaker 2: Froze on your own show.
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  Speaker 3: Am I back?
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  Speaker 9: Am I back?
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  Speaker 5: You're back.
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  Speaker 2: You're back.
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  Speaker 3: Where'd I cut out?
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  Speaker 4: Romance drama?
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  Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they called in Keanu to film like two weeks
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  Speaker 3: of shit and they changed it into a crime, some
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  Speaker 3: sort of crime thriller. They went from romance drama to
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  Speaker 3: crime thriller from two different languages. I'm just saying a
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  Speaker 3: lot of films are very formulaic in this day and
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  Speaker 3: age when they can pull off a stunt like that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone saw it at the theaters anyway,
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  Speaker 3: but nonetheless, like, you know, until the last two weeks
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  Speaker 3: of filming, it was a Spanish language romance, you know, film.
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  Speaker 3: And then they brought in Keanu and made it some
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  Speaker 3: sort of crime thriller.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and in English speaking.
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  Speaker 3: So again, you know, they don't, you know, what I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting at is, you know, I think there was a
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  Speaker 3: certain craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only
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  Speaker 3: just the writing, as I'm pointing out and plot lines
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  Speaker 3: and the trailers to even describe these fucking films, but the, um.
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  Speaker 4: You're rubbing off on me, Julia, with, with all your.
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  Speaker 3: Cursing, like a sailor. I feel like I have to curse. The, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm an old retired senior master sergeant, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: master sergeant, senior NCO from the Air Force, so it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't take me much, but I'm not a sailor, but
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  Speaker 3: it's about the same language, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I barely had to push you in that direction.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: You just needed a nudge.
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  Speaker 3: I did that for 20 years in the Air Force, right?
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't the Navy, but it's the same difference, I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: But also, I think this film was great in the
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  Speaker 3: special effects, right?
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  Speaker 2: For the 80s. I think so.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty monumental achievements I think they did with some real-time
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  Speaker 3: special effects.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like when the guy goes to meditate and the
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  Speaker 5: bad guy shows up and everything blows away. I thought
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  Speaker 5: that was pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of those scenes, right?
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  Speaker 6: Well, to riff off your point, JJ, which I think
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  Speaker 6: is really good, is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid. And I
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  Speaker 6: think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship,
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  Speaker 6: because if you don't do something, how would you know
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  Speaker 6: how to do it? So if you're relying on. Um,
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  Speaker 6: digital and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the
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  Speaker 6: early two thousands. I think it was really cool that
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot of shows that like have that interesting,
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  Speaker 6: like darker blue kind of filter that you can only
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  Speaker 6: really do with digital, like candy cams. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that that was innovative, but I think really this is
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  Speaker 6: something totally different. This is like that. I think this
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  Speaker 6: is why you like it. I think this is why
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  Speaker 6: I like it. And it's, and I think this is
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  Speaker 6: why Julia likes it. And also Nick, because it's like
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  Speaker 6: something classic, it's something grammar it's very coherent as a
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  Speaker 6: film language.
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  Speaker 3: Oh for sure i'm anti-cgi so i i definitely yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you know what i would compare it to
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  Speaker 2: is like a lot of the movies that come out
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  Speaker 2: recently it's like i think i heard somebody else say
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  Speaker 2: this too but the marvel movies and stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: it's like uh it's like going uh to a theme
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  Speaker 2: park and you ride the rides and you woo and
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  Speaker 2: then it's over with Whereas movies in the 80s and
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  Speaker 2: before that, obviously, and even some movies in the 90s,
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  Speaker 2: maybe early 2000s, they were more like a story. They
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  Speaker 2: were more like an experience. You get enthralled with it
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  Speaker 2: and it takes you on a journey. Whereas now it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of just bread and circus-y type stuff. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: just fill your mind with this garbage and be happy
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Oh, for sure. It's terrible.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: They just call it in with writing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I was getting at.
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  Speaker 3: When you can just call on Keanu and change your
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  Speaker 3: entire language of your film and genre.
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  Speaker 4: Of your film in two weeks. Like clearly there's a
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  Speaker 4: formula to these.
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  Speaker 6: Films, right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the comedy was better back then. Like,
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. I like super bad and like
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  Speaker 2: Judd Apatow movies. I like that kind of comedy because
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  Speaker 2: I'll watch that stuff to Pineapple Express. But there was
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  Speaker 2: something about like the 80s comedy that was like a
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  Speaker 2: full belly laugh. Like, I hate to even say it, but.
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  Speaker 2: 80s movies that I grew up on were like The
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  Speaker 2: Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Hanks is a shithead,
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  Speaker 2: but like those movies made me laugh so hard. All
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  Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard. And when
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  Speaker 2: I go back and watch them again, even now, I'm
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  Speaker 2: still laughing at the same like five jokes just over
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  Speaker 2: and over again. Like they're still so funny.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the things I love about this movie
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  Speaker 3: is that he plays Axel Foley, basically. So it's like
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  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills Cop, but he's an L.A. private detective solving satanic,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kidnapping by a satanic cult of a young girl.
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  Speaker 3: He ends up fighting demons. This little Tibetan kid that
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  Speaker 3: turns out to be a girl. I thought that was
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  Speaker 3: a boy in the film. Turns out to be a girl,
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  Speaker 3: not trans.
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  Speaker 6: Not trans.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it's a girl that's a girl that's a girl
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  Speaker 3: i don't want to i want a spoiler alert they
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  Speaker 3: don't tell you that in the film though i just
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  Speaker 3: found that out actually not that long ago i popped
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  Speaker 3: up my youtube feed like you know where are they
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  Speaker 3: now you know golden golden child you know and eddie
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  Speaker 3: murphy's looking rough but i like eddie murphy in the
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  Speaker 3: early 80s you know And they were like, hey, this
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  Speaker 3: is the boy from the Golden Child.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's a girl.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, yeah. And I was like, oh, that's trans.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, nope, it was a girl the entire time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's bizarre. I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 9: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I did not know that. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 2: fun fact. I could have swore it was a boy.
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  Speaker 3: But before I play the trailer and before I turn
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  Speaker 3: it over to y'all for any other comments here to
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  Speaker 3: start off the show... Did you I just want to
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  Speaker 3: point out this is my favorite era of Murphy, like
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  Speaker 3: you were saying there, Julia, like later Murphy, I could
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  Speaker 3: do without, you know, pre pre trans hooker Murphy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: remember that incident in the 90s where suddenly Eddie Murphy's
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  Speaker 3: associated with all these transgendered hookers on the streets of L.A.
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  Speaker 3: And then he gets busted by the tabloids. Actually, he
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  Speaker 3: gets busted by Andrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted.
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  Speaker 3: They broke that story. And then suddenly Eddie's friends, Eddie's
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  Speaker 3: transgendered hooker friends are getting thrown off of Tops buildings
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden. Strange tale.
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  Speaker 6: That's so crazy, dude.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, wasn't this around the.
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  Speaker 2: Same time that Boomerang and Vampire in Brooklyn and all
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  Speaker 2: those movies were big?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I'm good with everything before that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's the dividing.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever he got into around that time.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, I think the reason
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  Speaker 3: a lot of 80s films, a lot of 80s comedies
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  Speaker 3: were so good is cocaine. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Harlem Nights.
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  Speaker 3: Very cocaine-fueled. No, I think all of these productions, like,
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  Speaker 3: very cocaine-fueled. In fact, tonight's production, The Golden Child, is
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  Speaker 3: only one degree of separation from Bob Cocaine Evans. The
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  Speaker 3: production of this film. So if you're talking Hollywood and
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  Speaker 3: you're talking cocaine... few old 1980s films. This is right
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  Speaker 3: in the epicenter of that wheelhouse because, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: it's ultimately the green light of the film from Paramount
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  Speaker 3: Pictures is the guy that Bob Evans hires to replace
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  Speaker 3: him there. He gets his independent producer role on the
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  Speaker 3: lot until 81 when he gets popped for them cocaine
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  Speaker 3: trafficking charges. And then his buddy Barry Diller throws him
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  Speaker 3: off the lot as the legend goes. And Barry Diller
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  Speaker 3: is a very important character But yeah, he was Bob,
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  Speaker 3: cocaine Bob's underling.
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  Speaker 2: Well, before you play the trailer, I just have to
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  Speaker 2: say two things. I get exactly what you're saying, but
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  Speaker 2: there is a movie he made later in life that's
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  Speaker 2: called Life. Do you remember that one? He was older,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Martin Lawrence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still one of my, yeah, still one of
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  Speaker 2: my faves. I know he was kind of on his
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  Speaker 2: way out at the time, but I still love that movie.
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  Speaker 2: And unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is funnier
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  Speaker 2: than he is. Charlie Murphy.
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  Speaker 4: Charlie Murphy.
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Murphy. Well, please, while you're still there talking, Julie,
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  Speaker 3: please introduce your show since I didn't give you the
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  Speaker 3: proper time here to do that thus far. Oh, well, thanks.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I have Cosmic Peach podcast available wherever. I'm really happy
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  Speaker 2: to be here tonight because I've been looking for somebody
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  Speaker 2: to cover this movie with me for two years now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Either no one's interested or they haven't seen it or
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand why i think it's significant um but
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  Speaker 2: so when you mentioned it the other night i was
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: like if you don't let me on that one i'm
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  Speaker 2: going to cry and just be in the comments shitting
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  Speaker 2: on you guys the whole time i should have been
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  Speaker 2: on this one fuck you guys.
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  Speaker 3: I was excited to see that you were so into
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  Speaker 3: it because this is one of my favorite films and
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  Speaker 3: we kind of we did big trouble little china a
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  Speaker 3: few months ago and the kind of the spinoff of
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  Speaker 3: that is we decided to do this because this was
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  Speaker 3: the competing Hollywood project to Big Trouble Little China and
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  Speaker 3: share some of the same actors as Big Trouble Little China,
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  Speaker 3: not just Victor Wong, who had a very great year.
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  Speaker 3: He might have had the best year in Hollywood for
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  Speaker 3: an Asian actor north of 50 years old. He won
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  Speaker 3: that year for that category.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't he Chang in Tremors?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy, which was
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  Speaker 3: a big part of my childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved Tremors when I was little. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I was doing the notes today, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I put in the side note, I said, did anyone
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  Speaker 2: else realize that the old guy is Chang from Tremors?
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  Speaker 3: That old guy, ma'am, is Egg Chen. Egg Chen's a legend.
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  Speaker 3: And he killed it in this one, too, right?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. He was killing it in 1986.
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  Speaker 3: He had a big.
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  Speaker 4: Year that year.
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  Speaker 3: So, Nick, Jen, before we play the trailer and start
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  Speaker 3: the show here, may I offer you any comments? What
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: are you all working on over there at the Occult Rejects? Nick,
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: I know you're pumping out new shows every day. The
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Occult Elvis just popped out today, huh?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Occult Elvis, that was fun, actually.
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  Speaker 5: That was really interesting. Yeah, Julie was there for that
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  Speaker 5: as well. Oh, yeah, weren't you there? Yeah, you were
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  Speaker 5: there for that. Yeah, fuck.
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  Speaker 3: I was there. I've seen it.
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  Speaker 9: Too.
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  Speaker 5: Totally forgot I'm burnt.
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  Speaker 3: That was a good show though. I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't got a chance to re-listen to it, but
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  Speaker 3: the first time I listened to it when I was there,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: it was a good show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it spurred off to Tuesday Weld. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: That is where the Tuesday Weld, I really liked that show.
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  Speaker 3: That was a good one. I was just as excited
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  Speaker 3: when you brought up Tuesday Weld as you were sounding
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  Speaker 3: like as you were excited when I brought up The
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  Speaker 3: Golden Child.
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  Speaker 2: It's a full circle moment here.
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  Speaker 6: Full circle.
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  Speaker 2: For the occult rejects. It's a full circle. We're the
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  Speaker 2: dream team at this point.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I like that. I like that. We got some Red
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Heifer stuff coming out this week.
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  Speaker 9: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, some stuff we did with Broadcasting Seeds. We got
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  Speaker 5: that coming out Friday for people listening now. And over
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the weekend, we will have, for audio listeners, and you
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: probably wouldn't be watching now, but we got Mormon Mafia
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  Speaker 5: Part 4 dropping audio.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great series. Jen's involved in that one, aren't you, Jen?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on over there, Jen? You hiding out as
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  Speaker 3: a ninja? You doing ninja stuff?
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  Speaker 6: Hi, JJ, but thank you so much for inviting me on.
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  Speaker 6: I love to do, especially, cinema, O'Call reviews. This is
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  Speaker 6: obviously our second one. And, of course, my boss, Nick, Mr.
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  Speaker 9: 93.
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  Speaker 6: There you go. Or 33, but I'll upgrade him this time.
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  Speaker 6: There you go. So I have a, I have two
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  Speaker 6: notes actually. So I'll do those at the end. So
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: this is one is about sure. I think it's very interesting.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: I think Julia will be actually interested in it. And
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: if Heidi's listening, so shout out Heidi, I think she'll
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: actually find it interesting too. And then I have a
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: note about the cutting your hair on waxing and waning moon,
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: because we talked about this literally yesterday or the other day.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I was going to say that just came up, right?
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: That's right. So I have a note about that. So
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: I will come back to that. But I have a show,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Threshold Saints. It's speculative ontology. We're exploring metaphysics through pop culture.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: But it's not like Julia. If you watch Julia's show,
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: and I obviously want everyone to watch Julia's show, but
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: it's different. We approach it from different ways. I look
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: at everything through parafiction and through like a technical kind
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: of Kabbalah. Tantra, Mixture, Crazy, Wild, Wisdom. So if you're
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: interested in that, you can definitely subscribe. And I just
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: dropped a three-part episode on Ralph Bakshi. And then I'm
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: also dropping another episode this week. So yeah, big thanks
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: for that. But okay, so a note about Tuesday Welds.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: So I think what this is, when I was watching
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: the episode, I was so excited. Best episode, I think
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: one of my favorites, personal favorites. I thought it was
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: so phenomenal.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: Okay, so for Tuesday, I actually think she embodied this
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: concept called the Ishaf Zenunim. So this is the, sometimes
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: that's translated as the virgin whore, but it can also
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: be understood as the princess of the Kalipas. So there's
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: a- I suspect that's not a literal virgin, right, Jen? Yes,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: like that because- Not with Tuesday. Yeah, because it was
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: all about sex magic, right? So you had, but Tuesday
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: would have never participated physically. I'm just saying, if she
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: fills that archetype, there's no.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, I hear you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I was just being a smartass.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: So this is a.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: You're totally right.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: You're totally right. No, no, you're totally right, JJ. I
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: just was meaning that if she embodies that concept, that's
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: why she remained. One reason, maybe, you could say. Then
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: the other ones didn't.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Would you say this is a powerful position within an
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: occult network, what you're describing?
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it would have been like the highest of the highest.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: It would have been, like, the person who channeled whatever
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: they're channeling.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Would you be, like, considering it, like, I'm trying to understand,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I guess, the type of feminine. Would it be more of, like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: an Empress card instead of Netslack? Is that what you're, like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: kind of getting at?
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes. It's more Yasotic. With a little Hode, maybe.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be, like.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: She was a hell all right that's the rumor at
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: least well.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I think that until she got married she had to
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: maintain a like degree of virginity i'm not saying that
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: she wasn't involved in sexual things i'm sure that what
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: she did i actually kind of know so i'll just
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: say it is that I think what she did was
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: she directed the sexual activities of other people. That's how
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I would understand it in a more technical way. Obviously,
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: I don't think of things as sex magic or whatever.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: I just am looking at it more technically. So I
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: think she would sort of channel the Dakini or whatever
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: they're doing, the feminine divine force, but her mind is virginal.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: So she doesn't You know, she's not the whore particularly.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: She's a virgin whore. So she maybe directs sexual actions
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: of people around her, but she's not herself.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Engaged.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: That doesn't describe Tuesday Wells' activities. She's very much the director.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like P. Diddy at his party. Same shot.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: It's like how cocaine Bob Evans brought together the lovely
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: couple of Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate in nuptials. Only
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: for Sharon Tate to meet her untimely demise. I often wonder,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: was that the plan going in? Well, somebody's got.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: To be pulling the strings behind.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And that is correct, ma'am. And I would say that's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Tuesday Weld. I'm glad you brought that up there, Jen,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: because tonight's discussion includes satanic cult activity in and around
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, California.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Which is where she'd be pulling them strings from.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: And I think there's a good tie-in to that whole
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: scene with this whole film. Not as much as the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: comparison I just did here with the dragnet and the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: comparison of the process church activities in and around Los
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Angeles circa 1980s. Highly recommend that. But definitely more satanic
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: cult activity and weird blood rituals. But on that note,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: we will watch the trailer here and get back to
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: unpacking these ideas here in one moment.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Every thousand generations, a perfect child is born. A child
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: with magical powers.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: A child sent to bring good into the world.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: A golden child.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: of evil. as foretold by the Nichung Oracle. Only one
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: man can find him. Only one man can rescue him.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: He is a man from the City of Angels.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: He is a man.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Who does what is right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: A brave man. A true man.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: It is his destiny to save the Golden Child. He
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: is the Chosen One.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm freezing while
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: you're sitting in.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: A war movie theater? I'm going back to L.A.
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: And kicking somebody's behind. This isn't supposed to be happening
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: to me. Chosen one, my behind. Why can't somebody choose
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: me to go to the Bahamas?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Hawaii is nice.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: You could have sent me to Vegas.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: The chosen one.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It describes the whole movie and the plot line of
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the film and And he breaks the fourth wall, which
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I thought was great.
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: But it's also like when it starts the beginning and
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: all the serious stuff, like who wouldn't want to watch
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that movie?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It's so mysterious. You want to see more and then
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it kicks in with the comedy. I mean, geez, what
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: else can you ask for?
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Definitely grasp your attention immediately, right?
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Turns out that's not Tibet. That's Mammoth Lakes, California. But
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: strangely enough, they did a great job of that, too.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. Well, I do want to point out, this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: obviously one of my notes, but the idea of the
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: golden child right off the bat, this is an actual
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I just want to be very clear that when I'm
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: going to discuss it, I'm going to refer to actual
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas as well.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical. I
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: think we're way... We're all kind of past that. We
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: can look at things for the values or truth that
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: they may hold or the falsehood.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure. But obviously a lot of this falls around
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism as the main character here,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Axel Foley. They call him something else in this film,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: but it's clearly Axel Foley.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Chandler Darrell.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chandler J.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Old, right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Which is a nod, I guess, to the story that
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this is kind of based off of, this crime noir
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: story that involves Tibet. So I guess he went through
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: some rewrites in Hollywood, but he ended up including, which
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I think is interesting because it didn't initially include a
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: satanic cult. That was something they added on along the way.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: cover movies, I usually try to like go from the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: opening scene all the way through the body of the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: movie to the title or the end sequence, whatever.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And so my first note is that it opens up
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in Tibet and. And the significance of Tibet, I feel
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of obvious just because there have been
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: so many occultists who were inspired or channeled beings that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: were from Tibet, including Madame Blavatsky, Alistair Crowley, Alice Bailey.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: They all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: there was even an expedition, Hitler, actually put together this
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: expedition and it was like some of the best soldiers
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he had and he sent them to Tibet. And that's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: where they brought back the sigil or symbol of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: swastika and they hijacked it to do what they did
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: with it. But so Hitler, Madame Blavatsky, Alistair Crowley and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Alice Bailey all had an obsession with Tibet and.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Don't forget the Beatles, Richard Gere, Brad Pitt.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: The list goes on, right? The list goes on.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Richard Gere and his gerbils had a strange fascination with Tibet.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll add this because obviously I practice Vajrayana. So
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: I will say it's sorcery. I mean, like if you're
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: interested in magic, it's a really great system. And it
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: combines Buddhist, but it's all Buddhist ideas. So you're not
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: really doing that. Right. So you're using your mind. You're
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: using the conceptual ideas of sorcery, especially like that. You know, every,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: we always laugh. I always tease like the Dharma practitioners
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: who aren't Asian because obviously I'm half half. So we
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: call them Westoids. So I'm just going to use that
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: really quickly, but it's not in a pejorative. Sounds like it, bro.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about? It's not a pejorative.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Well, it's because I'm a Westoid too, really, right? Because like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: You're a self-identified Westoid. It just sounds, it sounds like
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: a negative, you know, some sort of negative derogatory statement, right?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: You're a Westoid.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: But I think that we, I think that I like
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: the idea that it could be like, you could say
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: the word is like just a vessel that can contain
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: like any idea that we want. So I'm like being
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: very discordian, I guess, by self-referentially using it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to lie to you, Jen.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You could convince me you just made that word up.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I have the first time I've ever heard it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: It's very online. It's very like probably.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: Is it Kino?
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: It isn't kino kino it definitely.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Got me that word too recently i still not i
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: haven't really grasped the concept that's why i keep asking
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: is that kino.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: You know so you know you always say it's like
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: it's true kino that's the real that's the real way
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: to do it and if you're really cool like me
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: you do the u you do with a v so
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: you do like true kino but it's all lowercase and
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: then you do like k-o-k-i-n-o.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, but I'm not sure if I'm any
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: closer to understanding what is or is not key now.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So I probably can continue to ask these questions. Is
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: that key now?
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: It just means, is it really aesthetic? Is it beautiful?
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Is it like capturing? a kind of the light has
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: to be captured in a specific way. You could almost
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: say a holistic way. There's like filtered through like layers
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: of maybe there are gradients of color on the screen.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: So it's like anything that's really beautiful. Like a sunset
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: can be very key. Now that doesn't have to be
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: on screen.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I think it might be tracking. I have a very
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: keynote scene on deck here for us in a few
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: minutes from the film. I think, I think when I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: bring it up, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: So this, the film goes into bed, right? So, We
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: already automatically, right off the start of the film, we
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: see this Tibetan Buddhism is the root of this story
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: with this young child, right? He's hanging out in the temple, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: When he gets, what do we call it, kidnapped or Buddha-napped?
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: What are we calling this?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kidnapped.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Buddha-napped? They send out a Buddha alert on everyone's cell phones?
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Instead of an Amber Alert.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Golden-napped?
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Am I getting my deities mixed up, Jen? Is it
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: not a Buddha? alert?
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: You could say he's like a toku. Which toku is
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: like a reincarnated llama. It's like a llama from a
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: previous rebirth or a saint.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Or a mahasiddha.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Or an accomplished master. And so not all schools of
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Tibetan Buddhism believe in it, but this film in particular
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: is very syncretic. Now, it is really important to note
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: that the consultant, Ken MacLeod, wrote, uh, like it's famous
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: in Vajrayana circles. So he wrote, um, the magic of Vajrayana.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: So he, he gets it. He even says like, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: have the wisdom and understanding, like he, that's the exact
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: words he uses. So he gets it. Like, he's like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: he's in that clear view, whatever he calls it, like
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: a lot of the time anyway. So he, he did
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: not train in the specific school that, um, practices, excuse me, sorry,
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: that believes in Tokus, but obviously it's drawing from multiple
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: different schools of Buddhism. So you can see this in
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: the first scene with the yellow hats. So this is
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: the majority sect. This is the Galugpa school. So when
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: they're wearing the yellow, tall yellow hats, that signifies usually
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: what school they belong to. And it's also interesting to
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: note that the yellow hat shamans are also a faction
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: of shamans in Mongolia. So a lot of this has
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: like Mongolian kind of like central, it's very central Asian,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: the whole thing. It's not just Tibetan, like Tibet used
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: to be a huge empire, right, at one time. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: that's why it's kind of like, it was a large land,
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: like that range really from Mongolia, Manchuria, well into almost
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: western uh asia so is.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: This uh yellow hats you speak of having to do
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: with the yellow dragons well it is interesting the gang
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: we see later in the film.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: It certainly could have a draconian.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: You know tommy tongs runs the place down at the.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: Restaurant well there's is clearly like an overlap i think
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: i think there's like a motif like dragons are not
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: they're they're they're usually auspicious meaning like lucky so they're
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: not inauspicious but they are a symbol of like power
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: and strength and dragons yeah dragons.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: And so we got a lot of dragons here tonight
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: don't we a lot of nagas for sure we even
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: have a half dragon half lady.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. There is one. Well, you know what it
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: reminded me of actually just hearing Jen talk about it
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm like halfway retarded when it comes
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to like anything other than just like the basics of
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: like Buddhism, this, that. Like I've studied like the surface
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: level of stuff.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: But what it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Reminded me of was, did you ever watch Avatar The
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Last Airbender? And it's like this kid that keeps getting
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: reincarnated and he's got like all the power and they
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: have to train him and he's born every like hundred
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: years or something like that. It reminded me a lot
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of the story of the golden child for anybody else
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: who watched that show. I liked it when I, it
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I'm doing a series on that right now, Julia.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh really?
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: But yeah, that is what he is. That's a very
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: good understanding of like.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: He's an airbender?
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: He's like a rebirth of someone who had, you could say,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: quote unquote, magical powers. We would call them like cities
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: or like spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: he's reincarnated into a golden child. So that's worth exploring.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: But I'll let you decide where you want to take it, JJ.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: But I'm ready with that when you want to go there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah we'll get back for sure i appreciate that jim
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: we'll get back to tibet in chronological order from the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: film i think because they they kidnap we don't really
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: understand who this child is the golden child right we
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: just see him we go there it starts off in
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: tibet like you point out julia and then this kid
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: gets kid he gets uh bootenapped and then uh next
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: thing you know he's in los angeles.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And that's where we get introduced to chandler gerald who
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: is eddie murphy yeah well i do have a just
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: i like to point out the some of the funniest
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: parts in the movie as we go along and the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: opening of uh you know it shows like the hollywood
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: sign and you know like okay we're no longer in
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: tibet this is the transition now we're in hollywood and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: it just shows him walking down the street and he
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: comes up behind a guy reading chunky asses at the.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Magazine yes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: We don't have those anymore, do we? The old newsstands, right?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Those things are.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: From the past. I've always thought that was one of
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the funniest parts of the movie. He's like, ass pie. Right?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: He breaks the guy, runs him out of there.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I was like, yo, when I watched it recently, I
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: was like, I don't remember that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Chunky asses?
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't remember that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jarrell,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I have in my notes here, I looked at all
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the names, but this is the only name that kind
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of stood out to me. Chandler, that name means candle maker.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: his last name, Jarrell, means spear ruler or rule by
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the spear. So we have two different things that kind
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of make sense for why his name might be Chandler Jarrell.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: light in the dark place. He's, you know, the candle.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And then he's the spear ruler. And then we see
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: the spear later on in the movie. But yeah, I think,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: you know, even down to the names, you can kind
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of pull cool stuff.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Out of that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: So to piggyback or to riff, I'll call it riffing.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Riff away, friend.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: But it was a great point. And so the spear
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: wielding thing is really interesting because I also noted that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: And because that is the golden child, especially in theosophy.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: So the golden child is based off of a Puranic figure.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: So when I'm saying Puranas, that's a kind of Hindu figure.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: scripture that was written between about the 1st century AD
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: till about the 10th century CE. So these aren't the Vedas,
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: but this is what modern Hinduism really is based on.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: So what people call Hinduism now, it's not really Vedic.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: It's really based on Puranas, which is fine. Nothing wrong
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: with that. So There's Shiva. So everybody knows Shiva. He's blue.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: He's ferocious. He has three lines on his forehead. They
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: worship him usually with a lingam, meaning like it's kind
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: his wife, whose name is Shakti sometimes. And they have
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: reason why he does this is very important because he
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: throws away the left-hand techs into sort of the primordial
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: water where they get swallowed by a giant whale. So
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: there's an idea here that the Kumara, so a person
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: who is thus reborn, but it's really an avatar of
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: this deity, can retrieve these left-hand path texts, thus unifying, synthesizing,
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: you could say the world tree or the universe or
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: conceptual mind with like non-conceptual thinking. Like it's like a
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: theosophical kind of like Christ consciousness sort of idea. Like
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: they're talking about it, like it could be literal, but
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: then there's also an idea that it could also be
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: maybe just a process of consciousness.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure. What's this theosophical stuff you guys keep coming on?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I saw you shake your head, Nick. What's all this
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: business about?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I just thought that was interesting, getting into narcissism.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah? What do you think is interesting about that?
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about covering that myself recently.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: What do you think about that's interesting relative to the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: story here, the narrative of the tales of the golden child?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: The occult understanding of these things, right? Is this concept
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: of a golden child, is that in the Theosophical folklore
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: or literature?
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: What are we talking here?
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Well, this stuff is, I would think, theosophy.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Is this Kino, Jen?
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Well, it's definitely in theosophy. Like, it's Sheik Blavatsky, definitely.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Alice Bailey definitely talks about it. Like, Nick Su.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: The Golden Child.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's a Gnostic idea, too. It's the Seth
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: or the Adam. Although, in this case, it's really the
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Seth because Seth is the sun, right? So this is
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: like a child, so they can't be generative, meaning that
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: like a father is a fully masculine force, he's generative.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: But a son isn't necessarily generative depending on their age.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: So that's why they call it a child. So, I mean,
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: when you guys have covered all like the, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: we always talk about archetypes and how it's so important
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: in magic that people embody certain traits while a child
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: can be both male and female in a way. that's
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: hermetic by themselves because they're non-generative because they're a child.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: So it's kind of like the perfect vessel. if you
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: want to think of it in a really theosophical way,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: the golden vessel is like, if you look at Catholic images,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: I've talked to Nick about this a million times, but
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: like the, the sacred heart images, I've talked to you
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: JJ a million times about this, but the sacred heart
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: image is the perfect idea of it. It's the golden heart.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: So that's the golden vessel, the golden child and the Kumara.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: So the idea is, is that you have.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: We're talking like a Rosicrucian heart. Is that what we're
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: calling the rosy heart?
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: It's very similar. It's all very interrelated. Like there's a,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: I think there's deep connections to all these things. I mean,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: I personally look at everything more axial. I don't like
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: the word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm talking
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: about when I call it that. So, yeah, I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: they're all interrelated, and I think Theosophy's lifting, like, a
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: superficial layer, and they're making connections. I don't all agree
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: with them, but I don't fully discard it either, because
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: I think that they're also talking about something really interesting
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: and something also, they are talking about, like, Gnostic ideas,
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: but they're also Christian ideas and you know, they go
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: beyond that. There's obviously, this whole film is about Tantra,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: but you could read it in a very sort of
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: like theosophical Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: mixture of the two. And that would totally make sense too.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: And because they, all of them see this kind of
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: backdrop as very similar. And obviously theosophy lays like a
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Ken McLeod was one of the, who is the consultant
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: for this film, very famous Dharma author.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I like him already.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: He's a Scots-Irishman.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: He is.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: He even has an accent, JJ. But he was one
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: of the last people to be trained in the pre-modern
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Tibetan way. So he was like, there aren't very many
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: teachers that were trained like that, like before the advent
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: of like cell phones, like they, these, the, his teacher
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: didn't even know what those things really were.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: They were totally more of a, uh, genuine source instead
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: of a kind of, uh, the bastardization of some of
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the concepts, I suppose.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: So he is drawing from like a real layer. Now he,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: as most Tibetan Buddhists are open to looking at seeds
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: and other places, but it requires a high degree of discernment,
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: just like it would in a holistic way. So you,
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: the whole idea is like rectify the words as they are,
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: or as you make them. And so I'm saying words
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: and I know that's kind of meta, but, the words
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: are really important. And so this comes up a lot
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: in the film, obviously, because you see like the sigils,
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: the Tibetan seed syllables, you see Sanskrit writing covering the walls.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Obviously this is like, this is a big part of
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Buddhist magic is the word. So you can even hear
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: right away. There's even a relationship with Christianity. So there's no,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: there's really, there's something similar between all the different kinds
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: of magic because that's really all it is.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Sure. No, I have a couple scenes with some of
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the sigils you're talking about. We can see some of
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that stuff. I know what you mean, Julie, about the
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: names and stuff. I definitely agree with you. One of
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: the weird names in this film, though, is the villain here,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the demon devil fellow, old Sardo Noomsa, right?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Sardo Noomsa.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Does that name have any Gnostic meanings in this Golden
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Child references, Nick? What do you make of the name
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Sardo Noomsa?
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: One thing I did look up is specifically with that
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: name is that his name and Chandler Jarrell both equal
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: the same number. Both equal 141 in English. They both equal.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: That is interesting.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Some deep gematria there in comparison, because that's a weird
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: ass name, right?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Sardo Noomsa.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Real quick, just to even get some of my stuff out.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Sure, knock it out, bud.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: There's just certain things that got brought up that I
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: want to try to cover. When you mentioned the, I guess, theosophy,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I started... One of the things, the reason for that
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: that piqued my interest is because I do think this
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: movie has Kabbalistic attributes to it. And I do think
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: if you're into that, if you're into the Hamada Kabbalah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: especially like Put it this way, if you're into the
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Thalema or kind of like looking at the way Crowley
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: would do stuff, you'll pull from different areas. So it's
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: like you could use Buddhism as an image because you
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: can still convey the message with the way things match
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: up on the tree of life, you know, hermetically and Kabbalistically.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: So I do think like you could, you know, be,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: you could be using the tree of life and using
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Norse gods to tell the story. or Greek gods to
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: tell the story.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I put that in my notes too, Nick. I think
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the exact same thing.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: It's very formulaic is what you're saying.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I do think it might be.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I like these.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Hollywood films of today starring Keanu Reeves.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Thelemic inspired possibly itself like the movie.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: This movie is.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and one of the reasons why I wanted to
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: even mention that You had mentioned it. Jin had mentioned
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: it earlier, and I was like, fuck it. Maybe I
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: should have just got my Gematria stuff off at the
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: beginning because sometimes it can get boring. But he called
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: me Mr. 93 and then 33. Golden Child in English
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: equals 93. It also matches Saturn, Vishnu, Moonshine.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: That's kind of weird, right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, equals Kash Patel. I found this interesting. I tried
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: telling people this. This is why people were so obsessed
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: with it. Hawk Tua also equals 93. Does it really?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I believe she's been hawked to it out of
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: existence of society.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: And golden child in Hebrew equals 170. I found that interesting.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: You still get a 17 and then a 93 in
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: a sense. And that does equal moon, lamb of God,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: and hand of God in April. I do find that
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: interesting going with golden child. When it comes to.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: What's the significance there with April and the golden child?
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Well, the golden child, in my opinion, even when it
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: comes to Kabbalah, the sphere of Tiferet matches gold. That's
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: related with the sun. And the specific image that you
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: can even use for that is a child.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about images because what's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: going on here, right? I didn't want to interrupt you,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: but I feel like there's a lot going on with
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: this image.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I said the same thing.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: It's really interesting, JJ, because... You can say that throughout
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: the film, they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: chosen one. So who really is the golden child? Like
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: who really is the golden child? Is it just like
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: a projection outwards? Is that what that little Asian kid
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: who is Filipino, by the way, not even Tibetan, but.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: And not a boy, that's definitely.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: A girl, not a trans.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Well, it's very hermetic.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Allegedly not a trans.
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: It feels, it almost, to me, as someone who's interested in, like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: Hermetic Kabbalah, it does feel like a deliberate choice. A
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: girl who appears as a boy.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh, I see now. I wasn't even thinking of that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Nick's checking his head.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: What do y'all got on that?
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: That'd be very Hoad-like. I mean, even the old man
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: with the, you know, wiping the booger on his shit,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: when he was outside fucking with the dude, I think,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: was it at one point, was he wearing, like, orange
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: at some point? that's even like i want.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: To watch it i got that clip right here you
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: want to watch i.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Would even say that's kind of like where a jokester
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: would land too as well on hood.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: He's a trickster character.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah well they've already he's the magician he's gone there
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: and come back so he kind of realizes like the
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: world is a joke to a.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Sense this is the first this is the first time
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: old axel axel foley meets uh this old wizard man
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: victor wong but he don't you're right he does have
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: some orange in here i think he's got some red
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: but It's kind of the same color as.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I was thinking of this background of this image, right?
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: And that would all be the left pillar, too. That
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: would be orange, black, and red.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Let's watch this quick clip of when these two meet
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: in the film. It's quite comical.
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: Hey, wait a second.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: You took $ 100.
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: You took the $ 100.
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: No, that's $ 1. See, $ 1 for you. See the George Washington?
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: That's Benjamin Franklin. That's not happening. You got the wrong money.
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: Can I have my money back? And you gave me
• 48:21
  Speaker 11: the wrong necklace, too.
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: You're breaking my hot ass wipe.
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: Well, you speak English just fine.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: So do you, so what of it?
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: Hey, listen, man. Give me my hundred back. Take this
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: dollar and give me the right one.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: Monkey breath, puke face, eater of turtle slime.
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: Okay, tell you what, just give me my shit, you
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: take your shit. Okay, you slick shithead.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: That Victor Wong, he's a character.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: At some point when he's wearing his hat, I'm pretty
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: sure he's an orange. Like an orange.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe in this side of the temple, I have
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that clip as well. He turns into a bird there, right? Which,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know all this bird stuff with occultism or not,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: or any esoteric understandings of this, but... There's a bird
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: guide in this film and then that dude turns into
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: a bird at one point. So I thought that was
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: kind of strange.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: The first miracle, though, that he performs at the very
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: beginning of the movie is resurrecting the dead. parrot. But
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's that parrot, the same parrot that follows him throughout
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the movie that the Wong guy transforms into. So he's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: actually the parrot from the beginning of the movie. That's right. Yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: if you notice, like, right as they kidnap him, that
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: parrot flies out the door, and then it follows him
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: throughout the movie, and then he turns into the little
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Asian guy at the market, and that's the first time
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you realize the parrot is actually this shaman guy, for
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: lack of a better term. But I was going to
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: say it's interesting that they chose a girl to play
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: a boy in this movie, or however you want to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: think about it, because... And then Jen said that she
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: was Filipino and not even whatever, Tibetan or whatever he's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: supposed to be. But M. Night Shyamalan did that same
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: shit when he did the live action version of Avatar
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: The Last Airbender because it was supposed to be an
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Asian boy. And the cartoon is like an Asian cartoon.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: i don't think it's japanese but it might be but
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: anyways he picked a white kid and um he also
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: changed the race of like all the different tribes and
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: like made one tribe uh like people from india and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: he made another tribe like all caucasians and He basically
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: took the idea and he like switched it all up
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and made it weird and people hated that because it
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: didn't follow the story like the cartoon. But I do
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: think it's interesting because it's like the same idea of
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: this last airbender, you know, the avatar and he's supposed
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: to be this and he took the character, made it
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a white kid. and then changed all the other races
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: throughout the tribes. So I don't know, it could be
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: significant in some way.
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Sounds like it, right?
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. I want to, that's a great point, Julia.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: I want to just pick you out or riff off
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: that and talk about the parrot for a moment. And
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: this is a really significant tantric kind of bird because
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: it is one of the, well, in tantra, at least
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: it's considered to be the only bird that can mimic
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: human speech, right? So it is the, if you want
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: to liken it to like a goddess that you can
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: then Google or look up an image of her, it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: called Matangi. Interestingly, the rap artist M.I.A. also had an
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: album called Matangi. So it is the goddess who is
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: very typhoratic. So there's another typhorotic element, actually, in the
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: Naga Kanya. So you guys were talking about before, the
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: snake woman or the snake princess. That's what she would be.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: The dragon lady?
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: The dragon lady. She's a Naga Kanya. So this is
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: like a, this is a traditional like idea is that
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: a Naga Kanya can tell you is like a prophet
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: or a seer or like someone who has like, because
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: they're in both worlds. A Naga lives in the subtle world,
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: meaning like the spirit world, but a man lives or
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: a person lives in the human world and the animal world.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: So she's like half and half. So she's like liminal.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: So she's able to access maybe more spiritual knowledge.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on this comment here?
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: We got Golden Child brings to mind the golden boy
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: and Jade Girl of Chinese myths, servants of the Jade
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Emperor who were said to guide the good people to paradise.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: This is a great, yeah, this is a really good comment.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Jade Emperor. It's very Kino. Okay, so the
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: Buddhist idea is that they're the servants of Guan Yin.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: So if you look at Taoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions,
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: but Taoist depictions of her, she'll be with the two children.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: So the jade girl is obviously a stone of Natsok.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: And then the golden boy, he is Tiferetic, but because
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: he's a child, he's, it's like Aeon of Horus shit. Like,
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what, that's what it is. He's like, he's,
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: he's going on the path from Hode to the sun,
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: from Hode to Tiferet, basically.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: You know, since we're speaking Kabbalah real quick, I just,
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: I do want to twist in there, JJ. At some
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: point later on in the movie, this lady, Hinang, however
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: you say her name, She does have a green, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: don't know if it's jade, but she does have a
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: green necklace on at some point. And I do think, again,
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: because the child, I think, is Tiferet, I do think
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: that at some point, Eddie Murphy is playing Hode, and
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: I do think she's playing Netsuk. And I do think
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: you actually see, in a sense, throughout the movie, I
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: do think it's actually crossing the abyss and coming back.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: And fighting the demons is part of it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Of that story and greens associated with that the color
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: of green or the stone of jade or something.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah well to show yeah she would be netsack which
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: would be the which would be a female green sphere
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: at the bottom of the tree right underneath the golden
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: child and then you have eddie murphy i think would
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: be the guy on the left the black pillar but
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: the orange guy you know the orange sphere you know
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: and i do think they i throughout the story i
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: think they you know go up the tree I think
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: you see a progression going up the tree. And I
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: do think, like, the parrot or whatever that bird is,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: that rainbow bird, could possibly be the rainbow that emanates
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: from Netsok to Hode. There was that. And I also, like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: from my own experience, I had wondered if it is
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: a story of crossing the abyss and going up the
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: tree of life, could that be, like, the rainbow bridge
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: that you will witness before you blast off? That's so interesting.
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: That you're following that the whole way.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a rainbow bird.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Very rainbowy.
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: So we're talking dragon ladies.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: We're talking all this Eastern mysticism stuff. I got a
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: clip relative to the film here. In fact, it is
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: indeed a clip from the film. And it describes all
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: these things. The golden child, the chosen ones, the dragon ladies.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: And I'll bring that up for us right meow.
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: So if something happens to the kid, the whole world
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: goes to hell?
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: The world will become hell. Ah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: Not far from that now. Listen, who would want to
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: take the kid anyway?
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: Those who want evil rather than good.
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: Can you be a little bit more specific?
• 55:56
  Speaker 10: We do not know who took him.
• 55:59
  Speaker 11: Well, could you tell me why the people that took
• 56:01
  Speaker 11: him are trying to make him eat blood?
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing in this world will hurt him.
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: But if he were to pollute himself with anything impure,
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: he would become vulnerable.
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: Okay, so if they, if he eats the blood, they
• 56:18
  Speaker 9: could kill him?
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Do you have any other questions?
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, I do. What are you
• 56:30
  Speaker 9: doing this weekend because your silhouette is kicking?
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: He plays a maracas too?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: This is the chosen one.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: People certainly do put on a good show.
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: Where'd you find her at?
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: She's the librarian of the secret repository at Palkus Inn.
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: She was flown here to help us. She's over 300
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: years old.
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: How'd she manage that one?
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: One of her ancestors was raped by a dragon.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Does that happen a lot where you're from?
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: So.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: 300-year-old dragon rapes aside, we got a good sight picture
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: there on what's going on with this narrative here with
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: the golden child and the chosen one and how old.
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: Even the number three, though, JJ. What's that with the
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: number three? Yeah, like when they're saying, like, 300, she's
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: 300 years old. Like, you could say that they're talking
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: about Binah, or you could also say that time is
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: always divided by three.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Is that a good lifespan for half dragon, half human?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: What's the average lifespan there?
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, could be like a thousand years, could be...
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: I was going to say a thousand years.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like they came in short with the 300,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: so I feel like that might mean something, right? They
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: may have intentionally put it as 300 for some reason, right?
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: I had thought so, too.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Your dragon should be much older, in my opinion. I
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: want an older dragon.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: being like... Jim would probably see this too, Bina. You
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: never really get to see her except for that one point.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: And again, it's because she's more of like a voice
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: in your mind or an idea. She's not really an
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: actual image until you do see her. And then, in
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: my opinion, a lot of either sometimes some dragon or
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: maybe reptile-like symbolism. I even think some of the aliens
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: from the Alien movie is like part of the brain,
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: possibly the hippocampus. So, you know, then again, that would
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: be of the mind. You know, you're really just in
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: your thoughts. You're not like an actual thing yet. Again,
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: she's behind something. You're just hearing something. You don't have
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: nothing to attach that to. Except for that silhouette that
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: he found that he thought was banging or whatever he said.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Right. And she plays the maracas.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: You're going to stop laying around naked all day watching
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: soap operas, smoking cigarettes or some shit he says that
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: to her.
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: He gets upset. Then he gets all butthurt. Right.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Cause he doesn't want to be the chosen one.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Right. He goes to take it out on, on the
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: dragon lady amongst other folks. But this is just the
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: picture of her upper torso.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Wanted to say yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: We never get to we never get to see the dragon.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Tail well they show it right but it's like the
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: images that i can bring up no because he knocks
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: down the the thing at one point right yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Right did we get to see the whole tail enough
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: of it it's pretty good oh right yeah yeah yeah
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: there we go.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Best image i can get it's kind of grainy but mm-hmm.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: So she reveals, like, who she is. Like, that was
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: really good, Nick. I appreciate that.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: So what's the dragon mean for Eastern stuff there, Jen?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about Benal and, like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: how it brings you seductive. So it, like, brings you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: closer and then reveals what it really is behind the veil.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: That's how you could maybe describe it. And so she
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who is
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common misconception
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: on astrology Twitter that somehow that worshipping deities of Saturn
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: are related to Saturn, like Kali. Remove Rahu from a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: birth chart, that's actually not true. I don't even know
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: who came up with that. It actually densifies his presence
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: in a chart. That's like a very basic tantric knowledge.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: so I just want to point that out is that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: where he's where he sort of so what I'm trying
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: to say is that at Saturn like if he has
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: a Saturnian sort of vibration he would actually appear it
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: would appear a lot more snake-like it would be very
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: serpentine but once you're.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Saying this is more snake stuff than dragon stuff kind.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: Of yes that's exactly that's that's a really good way
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: to put it JJ is that you would see more
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: of a serpent and And then once you move away
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: from Banar, you would maybe it would make more sense
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: as more of a cosmic or mythical being.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Because she's got a rattler on the back end of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: this thing.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that. Mm hmm. She's got
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that shaker deal on the back. But you know what?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: I think that they use colors and, and weird stuff
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: like that, this entire movie. And I, I'm not, I'm
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: not good enough with occultism to tell you what it means,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: but it's always like yellow dragon biker gang.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, I, I feel like they mispronounce
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: things on purpose, and I don't know why that might
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: be significant. Like, the main bad guy, Sardo Numpspa, he
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: can't say... He can't say J's. He's like Mr. Yarrow.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: That's right, he even corrects.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Them at first.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: He also can't, you know, it says, like, he's supposed
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: to find the cross dagger of Ajanti, and he goes,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the cross dagger of Ajanti. Like, he can't say, he
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: can't say Jade.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: He does dish it up, doesn't he? You are correct
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I thought that was weird.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: He's a pretty arts villain, though, wouldn't you agree? He's pretty,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: he's pretty, you know, as far as villains go, he's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: a pretty good villain.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a ginger. Of course, they make the ginger
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: the bad guy every single freaking time.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Gingers have no soul. So, I mean, it makes sense.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, JJ, I take that personally.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: I'm half ginger, Julia. I understand what you're saying. I'm
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role for him, right?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: He's a ginger, right?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: Right, yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: But so, I think to back up a little bit, like, Chandler...
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: he's like on this talk show and he says he's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: looking for this 16 year old girl. And that's another moment.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to say like, that's at the beginning
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: of the movie, but the rest of it, like the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: blood sacrificing and all that stuff won't make sense until
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: we mentioned the part where he's like, that's how he
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: gets introduced to the story is he goes on this
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: talk show and he says he's looking for Errol Mosley
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Her last name is.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: If I may, I thank you for kicking this off.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I got that clip right here. If we can, we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: can watch that here for the folks.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hilarious.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Because this is the cross section, right? So they came
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: from Tibet to Los Angeles and they were just talking
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: about not eating, not eating blood. This is the cross
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: section of the Tibetan Buddhism and the Satanism here in America.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Cross section here in Los Angeles here with this clip.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: Now, let's talk about tortoises.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Judy, what have we got here? This is great.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, this is Teddy, and he's 80 years old. 80?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: He's wonderful.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: Teddy can kiss my ass.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: Listen, I'm trying to find this girl, okay?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: Her name is Cheryl Mosley.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: She was last seen on Vineland down in North Hollywood.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: She had on a sweater and a skirt.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: I'd appreciate it if you'd contact me at 468- 8492
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 11: if you have any no shut up man if you
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: have any information that leads to the finding of this
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: girl I'd appreciate it if you contacted me yo hey
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 11: if you don't put the.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: Camera I'll bust your ass man.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 11: Leave the camera on me Cheryl Mosley Chandler Gerald 24
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 11: hours a day 468-8492 now.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 9: You can talk about whatever you want to talk about
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: with the toilet seat and whatever excuse.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: So that's that's how Chandler Gerald gets roped in here
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: as the chosen one because homegirl there martial arts expert
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: and mysterious wizard lady.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: She's a zucchini she's a zucchini.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 11: What is it?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: A zucchini?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: She's a zucchini. She's like a yoga practitioner. And she's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: She's got skill sets.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: She's got some skills.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a real badass. And, you know, when I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's time for me to say it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: just yet, but in classic 80s, style one of the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: first scenes where she's like going off with her badassery
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: of course she has to kick a fucking pipe down
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: and her tits are all wet and flopping around and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: stuff and her nips are showing through her shirt it's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: like classic 80s uh you know but she she was.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Actually uh was that the yellow dragons fight was that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: was that was that the same fight when they go
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: fight the yellow dragons yes but i actually had not
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: seen her before.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Had you seen her in any other movies?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think I have since either. Quite honestly.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: And she's so cute.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: She's so cute.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: The golden boy, girl, the golden child.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: They didn't act again either. Apparently this was their only film.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Her only film.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: But so I was going to mention, because I said, like,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like they use colors a lot, like with
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: the yellow dragon and this and that. If you really
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: go back and watch the movie and you count how
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: many times they use blue, it just is weird to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: me because like even that clip you just showed, the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: talk show, the curtain in the background is blue. He's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: wearing a blue shirt. And then at the end, well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of blue in the middle, but like
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: at the end, like two or three of the characters
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: are all wearing blue shirts. And so I don't know
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: if that's significant in some way, but I think the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: colors are a big deal.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: No, I'm sure they are. Sure. Sorry, JJ. Go ahead, Jen.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: That was great noticing, Julia, let me just say. Even
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: when he says, bring the camera back over here, like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: look at me, and he's wearing that black leather jacket,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: that really stood out to me. It's very banal, but
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: he's also in the blue, like Julia said. So he's
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: really pulling focus towards him. and she's wearing, like, red.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: It's very Gavuratic, like, martial, but she's perceiving him, and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: as Julia said, it's not just him that has the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: blue shirt, but it's also the background of the talk show,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: and then when it zooms out, you can see it,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: and it's like, so it's like, the whole idea is, like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: you're standing at Gavur, you're looking, you're in the fire,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: but then you're looking at the ocean, and you can
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: see yourself, and then you're looking, you can, you acknowledge
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: what it is, but it doesn't necessarily appear as you.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: And that's a very magic, I'm sorry, that was very meta,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: but that is kind of what it's like. It's like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: there's an interaction with perception that happens between the ocean
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: and the water and the fire. You could say that.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: So that's kind of what they represent. But they reverse
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: the poles. You see that? Usually you would have a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: more masculine figure at mars or gevra and a feminine
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: figure has said but not you don't have to.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: So you're playing they're playing gender games like they did
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: with the uh golden child huh so is that what
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: you're telling.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: Me well it's interesting because it's like she's the one
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: in perception he's just saying you know bring the camera
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: towards me let me be amplify or magnetize this girl's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: story like outward And she, but she's like, but what
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: she's focused on is him. So she's singular in her
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: view where he's expansive, very much Hasidic.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: If you want to think about it, JJ, a really
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: good way to explain it. I think, uh, even with this,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: if you want to make it Kabbalistically, which I think, uh, uh,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Jin's doing a real good job. I would, you know,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: include the chest ed again, even, uh, projecting or expansive. Uh,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: if you took a light bulb, the light that's shining
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: out of it would be kind of like male energy.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: And the light bulb itself would kind of be the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: feminine energy. The male energy, sound, sight, is coming out
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: It's a good analogy.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: Projective. That would be like a... So I even think
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: when he was saying about him, in a sense, if
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: you think about it, she sees him then. And I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: would say he is very much Chesed at that point,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: very expansive, very powerful, loud being seen, you know, by
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: a lot. He's on TV. She sees him.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: He's the chosen one.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: She sees him, and then basically she takes him and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: brings him wherever he's got to go. It's very magnetic. Well,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: and I think we're playing the side of him. Well,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: playing the side of him. Yeah, well, she chose him.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: She chose him.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then she pulls him very, very magnetically like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: the left pillar. She now fucking pulls him all the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: way to her side.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: We're supposed to be... Sorry, Julia.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, sorry.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 10: Go ahead.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: I just want to say what Nick's saying is really
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: profound because that is even the idea is that Dakini
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: will lead you through experiences. You as the witness or
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: the perceiver rather than It's not just all your will.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: It's like there's part of it that is a little
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: bit other power is what we would call it. So
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: it's like generative outside of you. Maybe it is you,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: but maybe it isn't. It's kind of like an interstitial moment.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: So I don't know.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: As the story goes, this is how it happens, right?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: She signs him up for all these things, right? Because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: she sees him on the TV, right?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she has to select him as a partner.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: As the chosen one.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: Right, exactly. Sorry, just.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: No, I was interrupting you. Go ahead. I just don't
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: want to forget.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Please, please.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: I'm done.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: What I was saying before in the video, I do
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: think that they both play the princess and the prince,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: Hode and Netsok. But they both are going to play
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: the king and the queen at one point. And I
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: do think at chess, when she's seeing him, she's seeing
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: the king in that Hode is going to become going
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: up the tree. She already sees it in him. So
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: that's why she picks him. That sounds a little much,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: but I do think that's part of it.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: That makes total sense.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Kabbalah, Nick, is old Noomsi, is he pronouncing
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: stuff in Hebrew stuff Kabbalah-wise?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: I was wondering about that. With the whole reason why
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: he doesn't say the J.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: Well, there's no J in Hebrew. There's no J in Hebrew,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: so you wouldn't... That's even a thing in magic.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: That's why it's mispronounced in Yerol, right? He's calling him
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Yerol instead of Jeral.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: Well, you could say it's like a rectification of the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: J almost. Like you could say it's like how they
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: say Jehovah instead of Jehovah. So like you can even
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: hear in that there's a distinction, obviously, in like maybe
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: what God you're referring to. I'm not saying that. I'm
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: just saying that's how people think of it. or what
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: covenant you hold. That's obviously very Mithraic, but I think
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: that's kind of in line with the general magical sort
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: of orders and how they view the world.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 12: And I think that they pointed out, just really quick,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 12: they pointed out two things, and this is why it's important,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 12: because when you watch this movie.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: And I said, oh, look, he's wearing a blue shirt
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: and he's got the blue curtain behind him. And, you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: she's wearing the red or whatever. And Jen did a
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: great job explaining that. But if you listen to like
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: the dialogue in these scenes, it's on purpose. Because the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: talk show host comments on what he's wearing and he's like, oh,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: look at your outfit. I love your hat. And it's like, okay,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to pay attention to what he's wearing.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Drawing attention to it.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: And then in another scene, Chandler Jarrell calls Sardo Noomski out. Yeah,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: he's like, why do you mispronounce my name when you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: know it's Jarrell? And he said, I know. So he's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: like acknowledging that I'm mispronouncing it on purpose. So that's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: why I think like, yeah, could we be looking into
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: it too far or whatever? Maybe. But I think the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: reason they put those little lines in the movie is
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: because it is intentional. It's like the wardrobe choices, the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: way that he mispronounces the name, like they even included
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: it into the dialogue is like, why do you insist
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: on mispronouncing my name? You know, it's Gerald. And he's like, yeah,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: That's a very solid point, Julia. That's a very solid point.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: And they have some great dialogue between old Noopsy and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Chandler Jarrell there, or Mr.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: Jarrell, that is.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: You know, they have some back, you know, some, as
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: far as the antagonist protagonists, they're not really doing a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: lot of duking it out, but.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: They are doing a lot. I mean, there's a little
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: bit of.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: That, but they do a lot of back and forth, just,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: you know, jawing at each other. So they got some
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: classic dialogue.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: Well, I do that sometimes. Like I feel I've, I've,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: I've discussed it on lives before that it's a, it's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: an old discordian, like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: things or you create something I'm more fond of is
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: you create compound words that are totally brand new for
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: your use. So an example of that.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Westoid?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Is that what you did to me with Westoid?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: No, I did not come.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: Up with that. That's something from Zoom or Twitter. I'm
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: about 10 years too old to use that technically. But
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: I'll give you an example like clipolithic. Like people think
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: that I just mispronounce it, but it actually makes sense
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: because you're talking about like a stone aggregate. So that's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: like a compound word that you can just make, but
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: it has to, there has to be a logic and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: a coherence. So you can do that instead of saying
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: like Clipa, which I don't have a problem saying, but
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: sometimes there's an idea that the things that you say
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: are the things you invoke. So depending on the context
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: you're using it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: So, well, that's interesting. I appreciate that, Jen. Um, Is
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: that also Keno? Is that Keno?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: That is considered true Keno.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: I would assume it would be. I'm catching on. I'm
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: catching on.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: So we were talking Yellow Dragon stuff and the crossover
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: with Intersection with Satan, Satanic Cold stuff in and around
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. Spoiler alert, we find out Tommy Tong, who
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: is running this outlaw biker gang, who kidnapped this young
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: girl that the General Yarrow is looking for. Well, he
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: works for old Noomsy. So we're about to find that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: out here right now. Oh, Cheryl.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, her.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: We sold her.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: What do you mean you sold her?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: You sold her to who?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: To Tommy Tong.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: He got that restaurant down on Broadway, and we traded
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: her a case of cigarettes and a quart of pork
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: fried rice.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: Why would somebody want to buy somebody?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: He needed a girl.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: For what?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: He worked the steel out with the devil. Said he
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: needed her blood.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: I have so much to say.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: I have so much to say about this.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: I did forget the parrot clip, which I'll play here
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: once we discuss this one. The parrot guy, that is
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: how they got there, was Victor Wong, the revived parrot.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: From The Golden Child, is the one who led them
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: to that house.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 12: Mm hmm.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: So they do find Cheryl a little bit before this scene,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: and that's where he finds the bucket of oatmeal with
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: the blood in it.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: And so, again, I say this because I think it's important.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: They chose an actress to play Cheryl, even though she's
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: in it for five seconds and she's just a dead body.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: It's a ginger girl. And she's the innocent one. She's
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: the sacrifice, but also the devil is the ginger guy.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And it's like the masculine and the feminine, but they're
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: both red haired ginger people. And like, one's the innocent one.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: One's the devil. He kills her, sacrifices her, uses her
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: blood in this ritual to kill this kid. And, you know,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: it's like a, an innocent ginger girl and then the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: devil is a ginger guy i think they do that
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: stuff on purpose and um the only other thing i
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: have to say about this scene is that at the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: very beginning when they break into the house they're playing
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: a really specific song i don't know if you caught
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: it it's um by rat you know that body.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: Talk i did not catch it but please tell us Okay, so.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: The album that that song is on, it was Rat's
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft, nuclear war,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: and global destruction. And that is the song that's playing
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: right now. Um, as that scene opens up. So as
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I say, if you look in the background, everything is
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: on purpose, even a dead girl that's laying in the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: movie for five minutes, that happens to be a ginger
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: girl with this yellow dragon tattoo. And then, you know,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: the devil's a red haired guy. I think all the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: little tiny details actually matter in the long run.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: I agree as well, Julia. And I will say that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: sometimes in Tantra, the deity and his consort are depicted
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: as red hair. But if you kind of understand, you
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: realize it doesn't have to be red hair because it
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: can just be the sort of appearance of red from
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: appear red. So it could be blonde or even black.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: And sometimes it is also depicted as that but I
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: think that was also a really good point.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Somebody got the song right.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't remember the title of it, but I remembered
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: the lyrics, but yes, that's, that's the song too. That's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: playing in the background. And I only, and what struck
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: me the first time I watched it before I even
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: decided I wanted to cover it on a conspiracy episode
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: is I hate that song. And every time that scene plays,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, somebody shoot me in the face. I hate that.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Rat shit.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Not my scene for sure.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: So before we get into the oatmeal blood stuff, Tyler,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: before we talk about the oatmeal and the blood stuff,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: I got a video clip to tie that into the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: golden child here in a minute. But let's, what are
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: your all thoughts? What's all that about?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: What's feeding all this blood stuff about an oatmeal?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: will obviously discuss a little.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: You better watch out. Victor Wong's got his wand out, buddy.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about before blood and oatmeal?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: What are we talking here?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: Well, Victor Wong, of course.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: The orange and the red, that's why I brought this
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: picture up.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: It's perfect. It's perfect, JJ.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: This is the orange and the red Nick was talking
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: about earlier.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: So orange is a really important color in Buddhism. You
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: could almost say it's the most important color. If you
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: were to compare it to the tree, you would definitely
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: say that Buddhism really likes Hode as a starting position
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: for an Upasaka or someone who practices Buddhism. So I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: said at the beginning that the monks depicted were of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: the Gelugpa, so the Gelug school. He is actually a Nagappa.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: So he is a sorcerer. He belongs to the Nyingma school.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: So it's the old school or the ancient school. So
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: they're allowed sort of more, they give themselves a little
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: more conceptual leeway with ideas, and he can also be
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: a householder. So he's not restricted by monastic vows. That's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: why later on, spoiler alert, he gets called like a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: paternal name. So, but that's even what his red hat means.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like he wears the orange robe. Sometimes
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: he would be a black coat with an orange robe.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: He would obviously be in turquoise jewelry, lapis lazuli jewelry,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: and then he would wear the red hat. And that
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: would indicate that he is also a Buddhist. He's not
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: just a sorcerer. So just an idea there.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: So, let me pause. Flipped in where they're trying to
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: feed the golden child some of this blood oatmeal here.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: It's got some of those sigils you were talking about earlier, Jen,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: with the... There's probably a lot of stuff you're all
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: going to see that I don't have the foggiest idea about.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: So, stand by, please.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: Stand by.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: Ha ha ha!
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: There's Noomsie.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: You will eat. So, I think it's really interesting, JJ,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: that the sigil, it had a.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: I.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: Don't read Tibetan. I've never... I cannot. But I can recognize.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Hold on one second, Jen. Hold on one second. Hold
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: that thought for a second.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: One second. I just want to see him do his
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: telepathic powers here.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Or I guess technically she, the golden child, said, fuck
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: your oatmeal. What were you saying there, Jen?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: I apologize, JJ. I didn't.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: You're good.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: So I apologize for that. But I can't even remember.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: But I'll start with the oatmeal and blood because that's obviously,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: you know, give the people what they want. So obviously.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: That's a big part of the story here, right?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: They got to weaken the golden child to kill it.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: So it is it is a tantric idea, just like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: it is in Talima, like cakes of light that obviously
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: comes from Tibetan Buddhism. It's obviously like our tarma cakes. Interestingly,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: that they use oatmeal. That's obviously a nod to I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: don't know how they make cakes of light in the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: in the OTO or any of the other orders. But
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: in Tibetan Buddhism, it's made with barley powder. So it's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: barley powder, starfire. So it's not the blood of a virgin,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: just to be very clear. And it's not even starfire
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: as you would understand it. It's made, it's like a homeopathic,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: like eight times version made into tiny little nectar pills. So,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: and yes, it can also be other substances. And so
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: the transgressive substances change the offering from like a peaceful
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: offering into a wrathful offering. But in Tibetan Buddhism, nothing
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: is ever, sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but kind
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: of like who you think you are. That's the only
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: that's just their symbolic offerings to represent sort of mental
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: or sort of like obstacles of consciousness. So you offer
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: those obstacles of consciousness, but you put in a vessel
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: that is the transgressive or wrathful offering. But in and
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: of itself, it's just a container. It's not like the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: real thing. You're just using that as a vehicle to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: remove the obstacle. But the obstacle always comes from yourself.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: It's not from external source.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts, Nick, on all this blood oatmeal,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: weakening of this child, the golden child, To immortal situations?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: I'll look at it a couple of different ways here.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: Even when, like, Jin was going there with it, too.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: I guess, like, you know, cake of lights, that does
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: have blood in it. Stuff he was talking about has
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: blood in it. Wheat, I think, is just used in general,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: or something like that. Grain is used symbolically, I think,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: a lot. You know, just because it's cooked oatmeal.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: Think about it in the raw sense. You see stuff
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: like that a lot. Is it heart healthy?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 10: Huh?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Is it heart healthy? It's good for my cholesterol?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Probably, yeah. Blood. Another interesting thing with that, too, even
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: in Hebrew, it matches golden and full. There was something
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: else I was going to bring up before, but I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: didn't want to get too much on the numbers. So, like,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: I even thought, like, how that seemed interesting, how that, like,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: even matches, like, Eddie Murphy's character, but then also the
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: kid itself again. And then even in... Sure.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: The crossover again, right?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then even Blood, and then in English, matches...
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, this might be a stretch, matches Luna, but
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: that chick's name also matches Moon. That key name.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: You can see a crossover.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: It's kind of the reverse of the symbolism of the sun, too, right?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: At that rate, right?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: And it matches fool all the way around. It matches
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: fool in Hebrew and English and simple. Fool all the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: way around.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I read some theories about the golden child online. And
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: also every time before I do an episode like this,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I like to check Reddit and see what people have
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: said about it. And they did, to Nick's point, they
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: always reference that girl. I think her name is Ki
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Nung or something like that in the movie. They reference
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: her as supposed to be a moon deity. And I
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: read that several times in a lot of the Reddit
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: chats that she was supposed to be like a moon deity.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to throw that in there. That's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: not my.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was that wasn't my um conclusions but i
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: did see that several times on reddit people talking about
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: this movie and what it could mean and stuff like
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: that um.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: That got brought up a lot yeah does that mean
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: anything though king nang is that.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything on that specifically um but the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: blood in the oatmeal i think it could be another
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: thing obviously what jen and nick are saying um in
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: just the colors the white and the red i think
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: um could be significant because out of all things to
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: choose oatmeal i feel like that's a little specific because
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: you could put blood i feel like if i was
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: going to try to feed somebody something with blood in
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: it more creative about it like vegetable soup then you
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't yeah you.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta sneak it in there you gotta find
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: a better source to transport that blood.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: That's like why why oatmeal you know.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: It seems of importance right the grain or the oats
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: there something's important Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: And like when he first digs the spoon into it
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: top and then boom blood comes squirting out of it
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: and it's like very cinematic how they did like the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: then he even like takes a polaroid picture of it
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, the colors could be significant. Also,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: if you want to get real surface level, like with
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: the blood, it's like literally all the colors in this
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: movie mean something.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like it. You got a lot of
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: that red stuff going on in just the movie poster, right?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: The official imagery for the film, right?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, some deep reds going on.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: Deep reds well i i can offer a little something
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: is that that was great let's do it yeah because
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: the white red and blue are the most significant colors
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: like i said orange was a really important color yes
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: green is a really important color yes but the real
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: primordial colors are white red and blue in that order
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: so obviously the pepsi can has like multiple layers of
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: significance just through that it's also you could say like
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: a sort of an agent of synthesis in a way,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: because it, it's like bringing, it's obviously a tin can
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: kind of thing or aluminum. So maybe even has mercurialness,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: but then it's white. So it's kind of tether, but
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: you need other things to get there. So you have
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: the Hesed and the Gevra, the water and the fire
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: coming together. And then the little boy at Hode, that
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: So yeah, there's something very magic about that. And, um,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: I think that the other, I forgot my other point,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: but I, you know, that was a great point, Julia.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: And I agree. Oh, also you can, you can make
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: Torma's like wrathful offerings. You can make them very gory,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: like looking because you just, you, you just like mold
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: a cake basically out of barley powder and like little
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: substance pills. And then you can make them like have
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: eyeballs or tongues or like any of the wrathful kind
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: of offerings. So like what Julia is saying, it's like
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: a perfect simulcra. Like, you know, it's not quite real
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: and it's also cinematic. So it's like a crazy offering
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: that's squirting blood that they're telling us is real. But
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: we also know as an audience is not really real.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: So it is kind of like a perfect tantric offering
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: in a way because it's kind of like a lie
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: and a truth at the same time.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: And I think the three colors I noticed the most
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: in this movie were red, white and blue. And the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: golden child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking robe
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: throughout the entire movie, except for the very last scene
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: of the movie where they put a red, white and
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: blue shirt on him. And then Eddie Murphy gives him
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: a hat that's blue and white.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: And And so it's a Dodgers cap, right?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they I mean, the whole movie,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: he's like got the traditional, you know, garb on. And
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: then at the very last scene of the movie, he's red,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: white and blue striped shirt with a blue and white hat.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I think that stands out. Like, I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: don't even know why they put that on him, honestly, because.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: Excellent point, though. Excellent point.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: They're wearing blue again.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, blue sky background.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the red, white, and blue stripes in the blue
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: and white hat. And yeah, I think the colors definitely
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: mean something.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to misgender this individual, not even in
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: a trans way, but that is, just to remind you,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: that is a girl.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Just want to let you know.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy to me.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Isn't it wild? I was shocked to learn that.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they did that with the little girl.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: What's her face from fucking stranger things. So it's not
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: the first time they shaved a girl's head and, you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: but they let her still be a girl in that.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Like Jen and Nick were discussing earlier with these playing
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: of the gender role games within this occult philosophies. You know,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: I kind of see the same thing from like a
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: surface level, like you were saying, Julia. When I look
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: at Satanism, I'm like, well, they like to play this
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: gender game a lot in Satanism. And old Noomsie here,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: they call him the devil, but he's a Noomsie. But
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: he kind of is the devil, right? I mean, they
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: don't really classify it.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: He's a demon for sure, because he meditates and then
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: he speaks to the devil.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: That's right. So he's not the devil.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: He's not even the top devil.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: He's like a lower tier devil.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a henchman for the devil.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: He's middle management for Satan.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Because he can't even figure out what the fuck to do.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: He's got to go back and ask advice. Like, I
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: thought you were supposed to be a demon with all
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: your demon-y knowledge and shit, and you got to go
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: back and refer back to the devil all the time
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: like you're a retard. Like, what am I.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Supposed to do?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: How do I kill him?
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Stab him in the fucking face. You're a demon.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: That's a great point, because if you're some sort of
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: criminal mastermind and you work, you know, this demon thing,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: You hire Tommy Tong, who pays some chow mein to
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: these bikers to kidnap a girl. What are these negotiations
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: and logistics you're going through here, bud?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: You're a demon.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: You can do better. Hold on.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Let me just show you who Tommy Tong is here
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: because he's much like Victor Wong. They also starred in
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: Big Trouble Little China, the guy who played Tommy Tong here.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: But Tommy Tong was a liability, and old Noomsie wasn't
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: having it. I mean I didn't say it was a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: speaking role it was more of a dying role but
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: that was Tommy Tong.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: What is the rat significant for because they're listening to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: a rat song and then Noomsie just turned into a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: rat so what is this you beat.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Me to it you beat me to it Julia and
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like the Asian cultures have a different significance
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: of rats than we do here in America but I'm
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: sure Jen can add to that.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: Well, if you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: you could say the rat is the vehicle of the
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: Lord of hosts or the Lord of aggregates. So maybe
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: give him like a materialistic, cleopolithic, maybe even satanic, but
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: of course you don't have to, I'm just saying conceptually,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: you don't have to take it like that. Right. But
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: you could say that it gives it that element, but
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: there's also a really interesting element that's universal. Is that,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: In almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking about magic,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: they will always discuss sorcerers being able to transform into
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: black animals. So like a rat, like a dog, like
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: a horse. Cat is actually rare. It's actually quite rare
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: as an idea that only women, it's more women can
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: turn into cats. Or they will say cat spirits, especially
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: in a Chinese context, they'll say cat spirits can live
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: a very long time. And eventually if they can live
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: long enough, they'll turn into women that can like marry
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: men and et cetera.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: So that's a lot of thoughts that I'm going to
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: process right now. No disrespect, Jen, but I mean, I
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: like it. That's some wild stuff you just threw out there, bud.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: I think that happened to me though. I think I
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: was born a cat and I slowly transitioned into... Yeah,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've always just identified as a cat. Like,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, go fuck yourself. You know, people come
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: around and I'm like, and then I go hide somewhere.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I'm better as an online presence. Yeah, I'm just an
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: online presence. Don't come to my house, though.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: You want to do.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Online vampiring like Celeste the Vampire we just had on here?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Dude said I would totally do it. As long as
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have to meet a motherfucker and.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: Like deal with you in person.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah but oh so i was gonna say i feel
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: like there are undertones of like the christianity story inside
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: this movie because the biker gang that sells the young
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: girl for a pork fried rice or like whatever that's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: like the judas couple egg rolls a couple of egg
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: rolls you know and then you have you know um
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: sardo's is trying to offer a deal to gerald so
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: it's like making a deal with the devil and the.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: Chosen one was deal with the devil that's yeah yeah
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: i made that clip so i.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Do think there are like the like christian aspects to
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: this like someone betraying you and selling you for pork
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: fried rice and making a deal with the devil and
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: you know the whole.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: That's kind of making a joke of the satanic panic
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: at the time right this is kind of the height
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: of satanic panic.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Right sure i would say so yeah.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: What's funny because i didn't i don't know where i
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: put the clip i was just looking for it but
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: speaking of all this satanic stuff right so in the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: satanic panic business so eddie murphy did a show i
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: think it was at coffee with cars with jerry seinfeld
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: and he's talking about how he met sammy davis jr
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: there around the same time he made this film it's
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: a mid-80s so and sammy day old sammy d was
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: trying to get him to join the church of satan
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Join the dark side, is all that he was talking about. Hmm.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: I think it's important to just note really quick that
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: we don't have a Satan figure per se. Well, maybe
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: that's not accurate.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: We don't have a devil figure per se. I meant
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: to tell you that. Ajanti equals Satan.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: The dagger?
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: The Ajanti dagger?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: The Satan dagger? Oh, that's interesting.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: You remember what they said about it? When Noomsi meditates
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: to speak with the devil and he says the Ajanti
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: dagger is not of this world and it came from
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: hell so they could kill the golden child like it's
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: literally from hell. That makes sense why they had to
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: make this hell, right?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: He had to eat the bloody oatmeal to make this up,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: which kind of sounds like vampirism.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: He's bringing the carnal ground to the little boy.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Not the online kind, but.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: More of heaven, you could say. And so there's something
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: really interesting even about the dagger, since Nick brought it up,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: is that that dagger is actually a magical implement, but
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: it's also a deity. That deity name is Vajra Kumara.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: That's an older version of text, but, or older.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: That's not a dagger, Jim.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: This is a dagger.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: Yes, that dagger. So it's a three-pointed dagger, and it
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: also is called Vajra Kumara, just like the golden boy.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: So the dagger can also be a deity.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: So you're saying this is also the golden child?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: Right, but then the whole point is to not have
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: a distinction between object and perceiver. So you're kind of
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: unified in the dagger and you can even see there's
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: like a figure eight sort of thing. That's a Vajra.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: So like everyone always loves the Vajra whenever I bring
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 6: it up. So that's a Vajra in the middle, but
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: then it comes down to a single point. So at
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: the single point should be your like will, but it's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: your will in complete emptiness. So it's what I'm really
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: trying to say is it's just, it's a wand you
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: could say, or a dagger can be both things really,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: but it, It can also be you, but it is
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: not you just like when you're holding it, playing with it.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: Like it's a dagger that identifies as a woman.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: Yes. Like you could say it, you could say the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: apotheosis of a person is the golden child. I think
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: that's a very Christian Kabbalistic way to kind of look
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: at it or even a theosophical way. Like, I think
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: that's what Nick and I have both been like getting
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: at is that it's like someone rising through the tree,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: but it could be like a real person, maybe a magician.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty wild dagger.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: I don't want to try to get into it too much.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: I explain it. Go ahead. Well, a couple of years ago,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: I had covered Michael Myers, Halloween, and Nightmare on Elm Street,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: how I both thought they kind of both represented Beast
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: and both possibly like Janice. And again, they both, you know,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: Freddy has the daggers, kind of finger daggers. And the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: other guy is known for a knife as well. And
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: I do, you know, even when I was showing, there's
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: something in, I think, line two and line 17, I think,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: both associate with, like, Janice in Crowley 777. And somewhere, like,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: I think a knife or, like, a cross or something
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: along those lines comes up associated with that. And that was, like,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: another thing I was showing that I was trying to explain.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: And if you think about it in a sense, if
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: you look at the dagger now, it's already got the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: two-faced god right at the bottom.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: That's what I was just going to say, right? So
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: is that Giannis, the two faces you see there, right?
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: Well, so he technically has five faces, but sometimes it
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 6: will show us three or one with a face above it.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: So it'll be like a little, he'll kind of like,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: it'll like represent like his higher consciousness, the face above it.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: And interestingly, to go off Nick's comment, is that when
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: you look at him in art, so just Buddhist art,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: although sometimes they make daggers like this, he will be
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: depicted in full form and he'll have wings. So all in,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: it will look like very much like a cross or
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: a crucifix, maybe, maybe not as, it looks like a
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: towel anyway. And that is kind of the idea. And
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: so like Julia was saying, like raising something from hell,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: that he is the adamantine son. So that's another way
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: to understand it like he's forged in hellfire, but he's
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: a little more powerful than that So you can see
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: there's like a redemptive You could call it like a
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: buddhist arc or a theosophical arc but I think that
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 6: also parallels like the the guy has to draw his
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: power the evil sorcerer has to draw his powers from
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: like a worldly spirit a spirit that doesn't is not
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: omnipotent is not Omnipresent just has a goal to become
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: like i don't know more of this earth or whatever
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: but the the golden child he sort of transcends all
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: that he's sort of above it he's not worldly so
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: that's kind of what the dagger also represents you could
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: say real.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Quick and the chosen one can wield the dagger too.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: Right i don't know can yeah yeah you can that's.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: The whole measurement right oh victor wong's like well we'll
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: find out if you can get that dagger bud if
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: you're up to the challenge golden.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: Child Real quick, too, even when I had covered the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: movie From Hell, I showed symbolism in that about Janice.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: And that's all about slicing motherfuckers up, too, with shit.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: That's a good one to do a breakdown on because
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: there's a ton of stuff in there. It's one of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: my favorite Johnny Depps, actually. I love that one. So
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: what do you guys think about him eating those little
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: twigs throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: in a way?
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, good point. Yes.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: One thing I was going to bring up, too, with
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: the whole blood stuff, it even goes back to some
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: guy in Pedocles from like 500 B.C. He was even
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: stating that if you want to do magical stuff, you're
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: going to have to stop taking in blood. You're going
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: to have to start kind of eating like a vegetarian diet.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: And blood would be like, it would just be a
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: bad thing. It would make you dirty. I can't think
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: of the word right now.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what the Azirite would make him dirty.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: He'd be immortal, right?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: He would be of the earth.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he goes on about eating, like, you know,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: stuff like that. So it makes sense that the kid's, like,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: eating a plant. You know, he's eating a vegetarian diet,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: in my opinion.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: Literally eating, like, one leaf a day. For several days.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: And he can really do a lot of things to
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities, right?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: We saw him make a dancing Pepsi can. Come on,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: get out of here. This guy can find some food.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: I even wondered about that, too, with the eating. In
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: my opinion, I would think that maybe your senses... This
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: is hard to explain, but your body's going to have
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: to start paying... To have a magical experience, you're going
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: to have to slip out a little bit. And I guess, like,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: what if, like, if you're thinking about if you're putting
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: stuff back into your body, it's going to have to
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: pay attention. Like, your stomach's going to have to start
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: paying attention to the food. This is really hard and
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: deep what I'm trying to explain here. But I do think, like,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: maybe they can. Yeah, it's almost like there's nothing there
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: for your body to have to actually spend any energy.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: So you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: I didn't.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: I put in my notes to ask you guys about
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: it because I couldn't figure out what it meant because.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: He just kept this.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Little twig thing in his pocket and he'd pull it
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: out and he'd just eat a twig a day.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: I thought it was like a mint leaf as a kid.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is obviously He's like.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: Gnawing on something like a panda bear, right?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, it's like that stuff they put
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: in gum to make it, you know.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: So, We, we haven't, he went on quite a journey
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: to get that dagger.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming there's some, some elements of this journey that
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: have some deeper understanding. So old Chandler Yerrell there goes
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: to Tibet. Well, technically he was against Mammoth Lakes, California,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: but you know, they did a good job at making
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: it look like Tibet, but got a clip for us
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: here in that, in that journey on to get this
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: year dagger.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 11: That's the dude that took.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: My money.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: We have come to ask for the sacred cross dagger
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 10: of Ajanti.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: For what reason?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 10: For the golden child.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: So that's the sacred cross.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: Dagger of Ajanti.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, it cut out right before the funny part.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: I got that coming up Julia don't worry about it
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: so that's the sacred cross dagger of Satan huh.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: Well he's only Satan when he's like all over the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: place when he's single pointed in his will then he
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: reaches apotheosis he becomes like you could okay I'm gonna
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: use like a word it's gonna get me in trouble
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: but I'm just gonna say it anyway he becomes Christ
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: like if you wanna say it like that you can
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: say it like that it's okay.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: Sure It's okay. Yeah, it's okay. So what are we
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: looking at here with this whole scene? Before we get
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: to the I didn't leave out the funny part, Julia,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: trust me, I got that here. What are we looking
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: at here with this whole scene he's walking into spinning these, uh,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: these pillars and, you know, talking to this guy who's
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: this wizard fellow slash bird. What are y'all's thoughts on that?
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: Say that again.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: The whole scene he walks into here with this temple
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: and he's got to spend his pillars and he's talking
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: to the wizard bird fella, you know, egg shin.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: What's all this about and then why would this why
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: would this knife be housed there you know what i
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: mean like why are these the keepers of the knife
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: is that what we're looking at here these monks.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah uh i don't know i saw that part of
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: like the hero's journey kind of that sense.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: I put that it was the hero's journey in my
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: notes but i grouped this scene in with like him
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: having to carry the water and.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: The That's what I was getting at.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Going across the bridge and doing all. So, I mean,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I grouped this scene in with the scene that follows
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: as the hero's journey part of the story, which the
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: hero's journey, I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the hero's
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: journey thing, right? So I don't think it's bad to
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: say that. I think it's like an archetype.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: You're welcome to say that, Julia. You and Jen both
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: can make Christ references here on Operation GCD. It's It's
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: not banned.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: It's not censored. Well, I'm a Christian, so I can
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: say that.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: He's dead, I think.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: I said even Noomsie won't mind. He's dead, I think.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, really?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: I always thought he was a good-looking guy. I didn't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: know he was dead.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, the actor, I think, is alive. He played a
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: very good villain in Last Action Hero as well, but
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: here in the film, Noomsie does not meet a good end.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: And again, when we're... I know.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of Eastern Mysticism stuff, but I mean,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: it's hard to not see this through a you know,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: very Christian satanic lens of the satanic panic era, right?
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I am a Christian, so I feel like that's
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: the only lens that I look through a lot of times.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I always love to talk to people
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: like Jen and Nick because they get me to look
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: outside of my own perspective on things and to understand
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: like we can all be right at the same time.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: But it's like I always say, it's like a five
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: layer burrito. And there's many... layers to it there's like
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: many things.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: I'm an alien christian is that does that does that
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: work out well in this in this perspectives.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: You can map it all to the tree for formerly
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter you can honestly look at everything
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: like caballo like you like what julia said you can
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: just understand that caballo sickly and then it's no problem
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: so you can kind of look at all the systems
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: and say like, okay, this is what this prefers and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: this is how to get there. But you don't have
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: to agree. It just is like, you can look at
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: it and say, yeah, this is the relative truth. So
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: you're fine with it. So that's how I feel about
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: like most other religions, not all of them, but like
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: Christianity for sure. Like it's a Christian Kabbalah makes perfect
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: sense to me. There's it's no problem.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Jokes aside and dragon rapes aside. I think, you know,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: when I was getting out with the, the Satan figure here,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: new new see here, You know, they obviously have these
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: satanic cult elements, you know, tied in here, like we
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: were talking about before with the biker gangs, the kidnappings,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: you know, these common tropes and understandings of these real-world
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: situations that transpired or depicted here in this film. But
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: what I always like to say also in those regards is, like,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: those people that are doing these things, they don't believe
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: in Satan also. That's what I was getting at. That's
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: what I was getting at. So you really aren't a.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: You really aren't an alien Christian or whatever you just said?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: Formerly, formerly.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Does that mean that Jesus was an extraterrestrial or what
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: does that mean?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, God lives on Kolob. That's a
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: different story altogether. It's near the star Sirius.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: A serious guy, huh?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very, very much so.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: That was the first 22 years of my life. I
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: recently just surpassed the, you know, I've now longer been
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: not a Mormon than I was.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: A Mormon, so.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mormonism, huh?
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: Well, Heidi knows this. Sorry, JJ.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: You're good, dude.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: I just want to say that Heidi already knows this,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 6: but I'm very fascinated by how Mormons think of the
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: tree and what they're doing. I don't want to be
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: a Mormon. I'm not a Mormon or anything like that.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: I'll sign you up right now, Jen.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: Let's make it happen.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: You want to be a Mormon?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know anything about it, but I'm just saying
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: I find it. I just like it for the Kabbalah.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: He's already on the mothership, bro.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: We're all on the mothership.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Let's blast off.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: Let's check out that funny scene here, though, from where he.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, you're going to do another scene? I love it.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: There it goes.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 8: Let him ask it.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 9: I said, I want the knife.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 8: Let him ask again. I want the knife.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 8: Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 9: And if you're such a man, you will have it.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: I love that you.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Included clips too, by the way, because that's what makes
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: the movie breakdowns the best.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: I totally agree. Apparently YouTube does not agree though.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Apparently YouTube's not liking the use of the clips, but
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: I totally.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: Agree with you. I was hoping you would include the
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: clip where he's at that medicinal shop and looking at
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: all the herbs and he's like, oh yeah, that's good
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: to keep the yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: with my yang.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't get that one. I know the scene
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: you're talking about, though. No, it's some classic 80s Murphy, right?
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: It's some classic 80s Murphy, but This idea, though, of
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: this machination of this kind of satanic elements cult stuff
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles with this Tibetan Buddhism stuff, to me,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: just rings back to my, you know, digging through the
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: thoughts in my brain hole here. I recall Ed Sanders files,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: you know, the author of The Family there, the Manson family,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: the actual good book on the Manson family contemporary to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: the actual crime. It's not the Bugliosi nonsense, but Ed
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: Sanders wrote his, you know, at the same time was writing,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: writing his book there in the early seventies. And I
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: think it was published in 74, but Sanders investigation was
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: yielding some, you know, results that seem to indicate there
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: was a machination of Buddhist ideas, thelemic ideas and theosophical ideas,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: I believe, into a cult faction that was also a
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: Kali-worshipping cult faction out of Japan called the Shingon Cult.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: Not Chin-gon, but Shin-gon with the S.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: So this totally correlates to what I know of certain...
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 6: We'll call them... I guess they would have been process
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 6: offshoots or whatever. That's what this.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: Was supposedly, right? The 4-Pi allegedly was the 4-Pi Shingon Cult.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: So, I mean.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: You know, this is the thing. In Nepal, during this
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: whole post-war period, there have been Kali kind of cults
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: that are like parts Talima, just like you're saying. They're
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: like parts Vajrayana. They're parts Hindu, like Tantra. They're parts Satanism.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: They're parts process. It's kind of a weird blend, but
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: it's like taking the most transgressive elements of all of them.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: So pretty much that's what I... kind of understand of
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 6: them is that they're just like really so Kali and
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: Tantra is related to Saturn so that would immediately place
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: her in Banah so if you're looking at the tree
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 6: as like a 10 or 11 sphered structure she would
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: never go at Kether she would always go at Banah
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: if you're really understanding what she is so they're looking
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: at it as like this this this way to like
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like the Black Cube Matrix. Everybody loves
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: that kind of thing. That's kind of what it is,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: but you're putting yourself in the box. You're putting yourself
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 6: in the cube. You're densifying the world around you. And
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: so Nick brought up at the very beginning, we were
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: talking about Golden Child. I don't know, he said there's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: a geometry of something, and he said it was related
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: to Vishnu. So Vishnu is related to Binah and related
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 6: to Saturn very closely. So there's this relationship that you
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 6: can sort of, in Vaishnavism, which is a kind of Hinduism,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: you pray to Vishnu through bhakti. So it's like considered
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 6: to be like devotional love. You pray so hard that
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: eventually it will liberate you or eject you from the
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: cube or whatever it is. But it will take, it
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: supposedly will take you millions of lifetimes. So in a
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 6: more tantric way, you would never get stuck here. but
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 6: obviously these people you know they're really fixated on Kali
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: so that would be obviously a big problem from a
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 6: Buddhist perspective because you wouldn't just fixate on a deity
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: or their name or you know their ferocious presentation those
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: are just conceptual ideas.
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  Speaker 3: You're saying this is a unique more of an extremist
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: view of these situations right yeah.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 6: It's an annihilationist very extremist very very non-kino if you
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 6: will non-kino because it's not about embracing love or like
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: the beauty of maya the beauty of the garden or
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 6: like you know connections with other people it's like kind of.
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  Speaker 3: The tracking gin i'm catching on to this keynote business
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: i'll get there eventually.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 6: But you're you're there so The Kino thing is to
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 6: love the world and like accept it for what it is.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: And then their view is to like, they're kind of Calvinist.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 6: They're like, we're going to degrade the world. We're going
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: to do all this sin in the world and we're
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 6: going to make it like from the ashes. We're going
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 6: to remake it, but you don't really get to control
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 6: the cosmic cycle. That's a more Buddhist view. Obviously they
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: do believe that they can like influence the cosmic cycle,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: but I don't personally believe they can.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: JJ, have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: doing all the Kali worshipping stuff?
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  Speaker 4: I think you told me about it. Somebody told me
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I did. Yeah, I just covered them. I'm
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: doing a new series on different cults. It's called Into
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: the Cultiverse. And I covered the Thuggy cults. And they
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: were like Cali worshipers, whatever, whatever. But if you really
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: look into it, because like I always say, there's like
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: a five-layer burrito.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: All this food talk, I'm getting real hungry.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Chow mein, burritos.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: Dude, I love Taco Bell.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: Shit.
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  Speaker 2: If you go all the way back into history with
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: the thuggy cults, they could have possibly been assassins under
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: the employ of the Brahmin family. And I know we
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: just spoke about the Brahmin family in connection with Tuesday
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: Welt and the Boston Brahmins. And so like, yeah, there's an.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: Aspect of- We talking Indian Brahmins? Because that's Kamala Harris.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: People right there. Yeah, that's the same Brahmins that I'm
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: talking about. So yeah, there's a level of like Kali
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: worshiping or whatever. But if you really look under the surface,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: it's all tied up in these weird royal bloodline families
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So it's like you said about the Manson thing.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: it's more than just like the Bugliosi oh they hated
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: cops or whatever the fuck he was trying it started
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: in a race war it's like no let's let's really
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: look at this peel the layers back and look at
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: what's underneath.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: I think Bugliosi's theory was they wore too much patchouli.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: Oil oh my god they.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: Went mad from the patchouli oil they had mad patchouli
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: oil disease they had.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Patchouli oil BO stank.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 6: I like patchouli so I'll stand.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: Up for it aww Jin I'm sorry no it's totally
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: okay I actually like vetiver better so I'll tell myself
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 6: But um no I mean you're totally right both of
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 6: you guys like you know there is there's like deeper
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 6: connections like Vajrayana has a lot of connections to some
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 6: of these obviously NXIVM and other things and it's kind
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: of like the old ideas that we lived in the
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 6: Kali Yuga, like bringing up this idea of Kali, it's
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 6: not directly one-to-one related to the goddess, but you can
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: use it as an archetypal metaphor. So she's like very destructive.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 6: She's destroying the old system kind of, but it's also
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 6: bringing things in. So her power is really magnetization, but
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 6: it's the destruction through time. So you can think of
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 6: it like traveling through space, you're degrading, you're getting older,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: exactly that same thing. And then you're going to, go
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 6: to the carnal ground and become a skeleton and you
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 6: know like take on a new rebirth eventually so that's
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 6: what she's doing it's kind of like bringing you through
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 6: the cosmic cycle so like julia was talking about these
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: like brahmin families a lot of the brahmin cast so
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 6: it's like a birth cast that you're born into they
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 6: they do believe in this vishnu figure So they will
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: outwardly pray to the Vishnu figure, but there is also
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 6: a secret tantra idea that you will do a Shakta
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 6: tantra or goddess tantra secretly at night, even though you
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 6: pray to this very orthodox, heroic... kind of like good
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 6: guy you know he's the hero of the bhagavad gita
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 6: he's like you know he's the king of heaven but
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: at night you're doing something more transgressive more tantric more
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 6: secret mystery cult stuff so yeah i think there's a
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 6: really interesting idea with that what julia was saying it's
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 6: like kind of always like that there's an inverse and
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 6: then there's like it depends on how you look at
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 6: it like from what perspective.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: You mean you gotta look at it.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Both ways You gotta look at it.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's an interesting one.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: I was just looking. We're still up on YouTube there, Nick.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're good now. It's back.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: Did they kick us off?
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: No, but they kept going for a while.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: I won't play another clip just in case.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 5: I'll probably pull it down after this.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: Because of the clips, those bitches.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: Are you going to play another one?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: No, I said I won't since we're still up. I
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: was going to if we weren't, but yeah. I'm looking
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: on both of our channels. We're still up.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: Um, programming out here, but let's, uh, it's a good,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: it's a good point to wrap this up. So, um, what, uh,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: may I, uh, thank you all for your time this evening.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me to do a,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: an occult and or esoteric review of the golden child. Um,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: obviously I kind of gave the spoiler alert earlier, old nips.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: He dies courtesy of that dagger. And, uh, And any
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: closing comments I can pass off to y'all, starting with
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: you there, Julia. I appreciate your time, ma'am. Great conversation.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: for the movie. And thanks for inviting me.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: Don't feel rushed. Don't feel rushed at all. Absolutely.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I noticed that the
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: movie begins with him resurrecting a bird and then the
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: movie or the movie begins with a resurrection and ends
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: with a resurrection because he brings back the moon deity
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: if you will or the moon goddess he brings her
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: back so it starts and ends with a resurrection also
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: at the end of the movie he is bringing monarch
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: butterflies back to life so I don't know if anybody
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: else caught that, but of course, you know, the whole
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Monarch thing. So I thought that was pretty significant. And
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: then the house where they're keeping the golden child. has
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: black and white tile floors. So those were some of
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: the main things at the end of the movie that
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: I thought would be cool to mention for this breakdown.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like I said, I've been looking for somebody
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: to want to talk about this for a couple years now,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: just because I feel like there's so many little tidbits
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: in there that are cool, and it's a hilarious movie.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: And it's for me, I like to cover nostalgic childhood
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: movies that I loved. And this is one of them
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: for sure. I watched it all the time when I
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: was a kid. So thanks for having me.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way about the nostalgic movies of
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: my childhood, you know, and this is up there with
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: Goonies for me. This one is.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: I love Goonies.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: No, thanks again, Nick.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: Do you have any closing statements on your review of
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: the film or any thoughts or any plugs you'd like
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: to discuss here?
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: No. I mean, I was excited we got to do
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: it because I definitely think it's a deeply occulted movie
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: for sure. Yeah. I thought this was great. I thought
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: it was great. Everybody had great stuff to say. Yeah.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: Besides that, for me, the one thing that I just
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: do want to push is, which I think we're all
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: probably saying it anyway, I do think there's a Kabbalistic tale.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: There's Kabbalistic symbolism in this movie, for sure. I think
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: you can pay attention and look at it with the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: colors and certain symbols and the male and female characters.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: I think you'll see it. That's it.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: Nice. Anything coming up on the occult rejects?
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, again.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: Let's see. I can tell you a few things that
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: are coming out. Oh, yeah, we got the Mormon Mafia
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 5: coming out on audio. Red Heifer this Friday. We got
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 5: Sumerian Deities next week with Gray Pilled and the Coral
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: Castle with Library of the Untold coming out soon, too.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: Don't forget about Vampire Lady.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: That's the vampire.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: Yes. She was a nice vampire.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: She didn't try to eat anybody.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that will drop on audio as well. For people
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: who have not heard that yet, that's already been done,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: and I think it's still out on the live. check
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: it out now nice yeah i'm leaving that up.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: All right well i appreciate your time sir jen appreciate
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: your time sir any closing thoughts on the the 1986
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: cinematic masterpiece the golden child so.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 6: If you research ken mcleod he wrote a new book
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 6: i mentioned it right at the beginning magic of Adriana
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 6: he talks about all the stuff that Nick and I
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 6: just discussed like a lot he he understands Kabbalah as
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 6: well like or he just he's able to like, the
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 6: system doesn't matter. He just kind of gets, he's had
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 6: the experience, so it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 6: So everybody can, I'm not recommending him necessarily, but if
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: you look into his background, he actually has a really
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 6: interesting teacher. I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 6: and who was sort of the object of his own,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 6: perhaps a scandal we'll say in the past, but I'm
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 6: not casting aspersions on anyone. I'm just saying it is
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 6: kind of interesting. But he is a very interesting teacher,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 6: and I think he has some profound things to say.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 6: And I think he obviously consulted... I think he showed
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 6: them how to use the Kabbalistic ideas, but make sure
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 6: it was... As much as it is syncretic, I think
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 6: it keeps to... It's a Vajra film, you could say.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 6: It really has that aesthetic, but it also keeps true
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 6: to a lot of the ideas. So I want to
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 6: just say thank you so much to JJ. Thank you
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 6: so much to Nick. Always bring me on Nick. Really
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 6: appreciate it. And of course, Julia, I've, we've worked together.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 6: I think this is our fourth time, but we've never,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 6: we spoke a little bit with Celeste. So I will
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 6: end on this. I told you waning. So waning is
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 6: more my thinking, whereas like you're trying to like cast
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 6: the sort of like the bad luck into the past.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: Are these the barber tips?
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: I love these tips. I love these tips.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 6: So if it's a waning moon, you cut your hair
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 6: and then you burn, like, as I said, you can
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 6: burn it. So that's like casting the old you into
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 6: the past. Or if you want like to feel more beautiful,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 6: that's a good maybe word to use. You could do
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 6: it on a waxing moon because that would like sort
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 6: of empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 6: of a waning person just because I always think like that,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 6: but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, and I'm so glad you
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: brought it up again. God bless you, because my appointment's tomorrow,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: and it is a waning moon. Over the last year,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: I've been through a lot, divorce and all kinds of stuff.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: And so, like, my ex-husband touched this hair, and I
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: want it off my head. I want it cut. I
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: want it gone off of me. I want a new,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: fresh start. What are you thinking, Mohawk? No, I'm just
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: thinking it's all, at least half of it's got to go.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: It's got to go. You're pretty frightening looking.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: Very intimidating. No one want to fuck with you. You're like,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: oh shit, she's got a mohawk.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal. I
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: might do that.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: We'll see. But I'm going to go with the waning
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: moon on this one, Jen, because I need a new me.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: A new year, new me.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad that I could rectify that because I
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 6: felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing that
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 6: there was two, but I didn't really think of it
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 6: at first. So I'm glad I could correct it. So
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 6: thank you for giving me that. And of course, thank
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 6: you to JJ for inviting me to do these occult
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 6: film reviews. everybody knows it's my favorite i love the
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 6: agitator podcast as well with j david osborne and he's
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 6: going to come on my show and you know they
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 6: talk about japanese movies obviously i doing cinema reviews is
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 6: kind of my secret dream as a podcaster but i'm
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 6: more of an occultist really so thank you so much.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: No i appreciate y'all it's one of my favorite films
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: i'm glad we got a chance to discuss it Definitely
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: a big fan of the Golden Child.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: And thanks to all folks at the Interwebs for joining us.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: Again, J.J. Vance, not the vice president, host of Operation GCD.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: Also co-host of Fridays there with Nick on the Cult
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Rejects Operation GCD mashup there. So thanks again, everyone. Have
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: a good evening.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 10: We'll be right back.