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• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Before everything, I want to pay tribute to the soldier
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: killed yesterday in a training exercise in the Northern Territory,
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: killed when a vehicle rolled over near Kakadu National Park.
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to say my thoughts are with
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  Speaker 1: the family of that soldier and with the five fellow
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: soldiers who were injured too critically. We ask our military
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: to risk their lives for this country and not just
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  Speaker 1: in combat. I mean, their training can also be dangerous.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: And for their service and for their patriotism, I am grateful.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: And for their loss, I mourn. Now, to today, and
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  Speaker 1: speaking of making this country safer and stronger, immigration. Today,
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  Speaker 1: Opposition Leader Angus Taylor is under massive pressure from One Nation,
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  Speaker 1: particularly on this subject, said he too will slash immigration.
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  Speaker 1: He'll make the biggest cut in immigration ever seen in
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  Speaker 1: this country, he says.
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  Speaker 2: And if he can do that, thank heavens.
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  Speaker 3: What we are proposing today is the biggest cut to
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  Speaker 3: immigration in the history of this country. The net overseas
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  Speaker 3: migration numbers will be 100,000 year one, 100,000 year two,
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  Speaker 3: going to 160,000 in year four. That will take pressure
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  Speaker 3: off roads. of schools, of infrastructure, of houses. And that
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  Speaker 3: will ensure that our country has the breathing space it needs.
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  Speaker 3: After the record levels of immigration under Labor, it got
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  Speaker 3: up to 550,000, more than double what we've ever seen
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  Speaker 3: before in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what a change after years of truly crazy
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: levels of immigration. under this government, a million and a
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  Speaker 1: half so far, under the Albanese government. But it will,
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  Speaker 1: of course, mean a massive cut to our workforce when
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  Speaker 1: we've already got low unemployment and not enough workers.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: Australia should be a home, not a hotel.
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  Speaker 3: And right now we're seeing under Labor a guest worker economy. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we want people coming to this country who are committed
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  Speaker 3: to the future of our country. And that's why, as
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  Speaker 3: part of this, we will stage a cut of 650,000
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  Speaker 3: to temporary visas.
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  Speaker 2: Big numbers there.
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  Speaker 1: And to be frank, I've got to say here that
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals would not have even dreamed of doing this
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  Speaker 1: unless One Nation hadn't gone nuts in the polls and
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  Speaker 1: stolen half the Liberals' votes. But Taylor says these unprecedented
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  Speaker 1: cuts are not going to hurt us. He says he's
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  Speaker 1: cutting down on people who don't pay their way and
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: adding more who will. For one, he's going to halve
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  Speaker 1: the refugee and humanitarian intake from $ 20, 000 a year.
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  Speaker 2: To $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 1: And, of course, he's talking about people who tend to
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  Speaker 1: cost taxpayers a fortune. And he'll remove 400 people on
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  Speaker 1: bridging visas, remove the visas at least. He'll force people
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  Speaker 1: to instead leave Australia before they can apply for new ones.
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  Speaker 1: And he'll also kick out a quarter of a million
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  Speaker 1: people who have graduated here and are on temporary visas.
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  Speaker 1: He'll cut 73,000 foreign student visas and some working holiday visas,
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  Speaker 1: but he will let in 60,000 extra skilled workers. And
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  Speaker 1: he says these are people who will earn us more money.
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  Speaker 3: If you have a temporary graduate visa or a student visa,
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  Speaker 3: on average, they're going to give you $ 7, 000 to.
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  Speaker 4: $ 14, 000.
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  Speaker 3: Of tax income and income economic contribution, which is in
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  Speaker 3: line with that. A temporary skilled visa is over $ 30, 000.
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  Speaker 2: It's three times. It's three times. This is very simple.
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  Speaker 3: If you bring people in who can make a contribution,
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  Speaker 3: a significant contribution, and they're going to work hard, then
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  Speaker 3: it's better for the budget and the economy.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably actually thinking, look, so many figures. You know,
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  Speaker 1: 10,000 here, 50,000 there. And you're probably also wondering, will
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  Speaker 1: this actually hurt us as much as help? And, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously there is a risk. And I say that even
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  Speaker 1: as someone who's warned for years that immigration is much
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  Speaker 1: too high and we're letting in far too many people
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  Speaker 1: who treat this place as a hotel and are really
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: trying to move the furniture.
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  Speaker 2: And, like I said, for cutting.
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  Speaker 1: So many people, I mean, that could create a labour
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  Speaker 1: shortage and drive up prices. But beside all that, will
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  Speaker 1: this work politically? Will this really do what you, what
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  Speaker 1: voters really want? Because let's not forget, for a start,
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  Speaker 1: that as tough as Angus Taylor wants to be on immigration,
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson is promising to be even tougher. And the
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  Speaker 1: Liberals just can't compete with One Nation on the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Let me show you what we're talking about under this
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  Speaker 1: Albanese Labor government. We're already still letting in an extraordinary
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  Speaker 1: 292,000 people in a year net. Although the government does
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  Speaker 1: promise then to trim that to 225,000, which is still
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  Speaker 1: extremely high. The coalition said today, as you heard, not
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  Speaker 1: good enough. First cut it to 100,000 a year before
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  Speaker 1: settling on 160,000 immigrants net each year. But One Nation
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  Speaker 1: actually promises net negative immigration for a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: and then 130,000 a year. So it wins on numbers.
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  Speaker 1: But an argument about numbers alone. Is that doing it
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  Speaker 1: for you? I don't think it still gets to the
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  Speaker 1: main worry that so many Australians seem to have about immigration.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not arguing. It's true.
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  Speaker 1: Numbers do matter. For a start, look at the pressure
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  Speaker 1: they're putting on housing. But the real worry is who
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  Speaker 1: we are letting in. Here is Angus Taylor talking about economics,
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  Speaker 1: where most Australians, I think, are worried about culture. Because
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: let's be honest about this. One Nation's vote really exploded
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  Speaker 1: after the Bondi massacre last December.
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  Speaker 2: The vote nearly doubled.
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  Speaker 1: When two Muslim men, One, the father, an immigrant, allegedly
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered Jews. And another concern here. Well, many concerns. People
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  Speaker 1: see the Muslim hate preachers. They see the Muslim refugees
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  Speaker 1: we let in who staged five terrorist attacks, killing five Australians.
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  Speaker 1: They see the Middle Eastern crime gangs behind so many
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  Speaker 1: murders and arson attacks on shops and on Jewish targets.
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  Speaker 1: And they see the son of a Lebanese immigrant who
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  Speaker 1: allegedly stabbed a bishop. And they've seen youths from immigrant
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  Speaker 1: families who seem behind so many machete fights and home invasions,
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  Speaker 1: especially in Melbourne. And you know that immigration would not
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  Speaker 1: be such an urgent and passionate issue if Australians hadn't
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: seen all that, if there weren't these unmistakable signs that
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: mass immigration is not working, that Australia is getting more
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  Speaker 1: divided and dangerous, and all this, of course, at a
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  Speaker 1: time when our cultural elite preaches such contempt for this
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  Speaker 1: country and its symbols. But about all that, Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 1: today said almost nothing, except this at the very end,
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  Speaker 1: of his press conference.
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  Speaker 3: We're not far away from the first anniversary of what
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: happened at North Bondi.
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  Speaker 2: The sense of distress.
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  Speaker 3: Across the Australian community about this is very real, and
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  Speaker 3: that's why I am absolutely determined to put up a
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  Speaker 3: red light to radicals.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what radicals does he mean there exactly? What exactly
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: is this red light that he'll be flashing? What changes
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: will he make here? Well, he has, he did say today,
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  Speaker 1: better visa checks.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly, we've had people in this country on visas who
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  Speaker 3: do not share our values under this government. And we've
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  Speaker 3: seen the government bringing people into the country, actively assisting
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  Speaker 3: people to come into their country, the ISIS.
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  Speaker 2: Brides, who do not share our values. And that will change.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to be fair, Taylor has spoken before about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the number of steps he'll take to get tougher on
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  Speaker 1: people who say... don't share our values has been a
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  Speaker 1: bit vague, though, but I think people will be asking,
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  Speaker 1: wondering how tough he would really be. And wouldn't Pauline
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: Hanson be even tougher? Because Hanson, she has never been
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  Speaker 1: shy about speaking out on Islamic radicalisation. It's done so
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  Speaker 1: for years. So, yes, the Coalition is right to say
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: mass immigration has got to go. The numbers are much
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  Speaker 1: too high. And the Coalition does seem to have done
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  Speaker 1: more work than One Nation on making this actually work.
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  Speaker 1: But in the end, voters are worried not just by
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  Speaker 1: the numbers, in fact, much more by the kind of
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  Speaker 1: people we've let.
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  Speaker 2: In under both Labor and Liberal governments.
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  Speaker 1: And on that issue, I think the Coalition must be much,
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  Speaker 1: much clearer, speak much more clearly, frankly, If they want
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  Speaker 1: to stop One Nation's rise and rise. Now, I will
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  Speaker 1: be talking later to Nationals leader Matt Canavan about this
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  Speaker 1: coalition immigration policy that he helped to launch today. But
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  Speaker 1: for now, let's hear from someone who's written for years
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  Speaker 1: about the madness of our mass immigration intake, especially under Labor.
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  Speaker 1: But not only under Labor, of course. Leith van Onselen
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  Speaker 1: is an economist, the former Treasury official, now co-founder of
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  Speaker 1: the successful Macro Business website. Leith, great to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: The coalition's immigration policy, your response? Look, it's mostly smoke
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  Speaker 1: and mirrors, Andrew. While there are some good aspects, especially
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  Speaker 1: the focus on skills, the forecast 650,000 temporary migrant cut
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  Speaker 1: is largely unachievable.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 6: So the coalition basically wants to achieve this cut via
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  Speaker 6: a 261,000 cut to graduate visas to only 10,000 by
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  Speaker 6: 2032 and a 395,000 cut to bridging visas to only
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  Speaker 6: 20,000 by 2032.
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  Speaker 5: But both reductions are actually unrealistic.
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  Speaker 6: So First, the coalition under Scott Morrison signed a free
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  Speaker 6: trade agreement with India that guarantees Indians between two and
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  Speaker 6: four years of post-study work rights. And as of the
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  Speaker 6: June quarter, there was 95,000 Indians who were in Australia
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  Speaker 6: on temporary graduate visas. And there's also a huge pool
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  Speaker 6: of Indians who are studying at the moment who want
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  Speaker 6: to move to graduate visas. So unless the coalition's planning
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  Speaker 6: to cut up the Australia-India free trade agreement, it simply
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  Speaker 6: cannot achieve its 10,000 temporary graduate number.
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  Speaker 5: And also... with their bridging visas, which.
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  Speaker 6: They want to get down to 20,000, the lowest bridging
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  Speaker 6: visa number Australia's had since 2012 was 65,000 in 2015.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it's pretty unrealistic for the coalition to
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  Speaker 6: expect that they can get to less than one third
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  Speaker 6: of that level, which was the lowest level in 15 years.
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  Speaker 6: And finally, Andrew, I'll just say the biggest issue with
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  Speaker 6: the coalition's immigration policies is that they've done zero cuts
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  Speaker 6: to the permanent migrant intake. So that's going to remain
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  Speaker 6: at 185,000. So When you add that to the 10,000
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  Speaker 6: humanitarians plus the number of Kiwis that come every year,
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  Speaker 6: what that basically means is that once the temporary migrant
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  Speaker 6: stock is stabilised by 2032, whatever the number is, it
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  Speaker 6: means the net overseas migration is going to shoot up
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  Speaker 6: above 200,000 again.
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  Speaker 5: And that is big Australia.
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  Speaker 6: And that's basically where we're at during the pre-COVID years
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  Speaker 6: of big Australia immigration.
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  Speaker 1: I thought his cap on permanent migration was $ 160, 000.
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  Speaker 2: I might be wrong. You're the expert.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Look, oh, well, there you go. Like I say, you're
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  Speaker 2: the expert.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, what you're saying is I don't think,
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  Speaker 1: I think it could reach all that and scrap, you know,
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  Speaker 1: tear up agreements and all that kind of thing if
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  Speaker 1: it really, really had it in its heart to do this.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where I wonder.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberals' past speaks against that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's be honest.
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  Speaker 6: The coalition in 2022 in April, just before they got
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  Speaker 6: voted out for.
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  Speaker 5: The Albanese government, they're the ones who signed the Indian
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  Speaker 5: Free Trade Agreement.
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  Speaker 6: Which basically has crystallised these visas. And as a result,
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: are they going to move back on that? I think
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  Speaker 6: One Nation will, and I think they should because it's
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  Speaker 6: a terrible agreement. But I don't think that there's no
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  Speaker 6: talk in this report of them doing it. And getting
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  Speaker 6: back to their permanent migrant number, they actually said explicitly
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  Speaker 6: in their report that the permanent migrant intake is going
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  Speaker 6: to remain at 185,000. So all that means is that
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  Speaker 6: they've only given four years of data and the reductions
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  Speaker 6: that we have for the first two years and then
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  Speaker 6: 160,000 on year four is simply by reducing the temporary
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  Speaker 6: visa stock. But once that's reduced, net overseas migration, which
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  Speaker 6: is a flow measure, is just going to rebound back
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  Speaker 6: to the permanent migrant intake plus humanitarians plus Kiwis, which
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  Speaker 6: is going to be over 200,000.
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  Speaker 1: Now, is a cut in the workforce this big going
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  Speaker 1: to cause a labour shortage or make inflation worse?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 6: So it's obviously not much of a workforce cut. And
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  Speaker 6: I think the focus on skilled migrants, if anything, is
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  Speaker 6: going to reduce skills shortages because you're going to have
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  Speaker 6: more skilled people coming in. And lower migrant numbers should
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  Speaker 6: also should actually put downward pressure on inflation by lowering
• 14:02
  Speaker 6: housing inflation, also improving productivity at the margin by improving skills.
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  Speaker 5: So if anything, that's going to be going to put
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  Speaker 5: downward pressure on inflation.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor says this is going to be budget neutral,
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  Speaker 1: the cut in temporary worker visas and so on. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be balanced by bringing in, as you repeated there,
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  Speaker 1: more skilled workers.
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  Speaker 2: Is he right? Yeah, look at it.
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  Speaker 6: So the PBO and the Treasury's modelling around immigration is
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  Speaker 6: woefully inadequate because it doesn't account properly for the cost
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  Speaker 6: of immigration. But even so, I think Angus Taylor's claims
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  Speaker 6: of budget neutrality are right. But I'll just say this, Andrew,
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  Speaker 6: the impact would have been a lot more positive for
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  Speaker 6: the if the Coalition had also committed to axing the
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  Speaker 6: 7,060 parent visas, that's for elderly parents, that we hand
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  Speaker 6: out each year. Now, each one of those visas costs
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  Speaker 6: taxpayers nearly $ 400, 000 each or roughly $ 2. 8 billion a year.
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  Speaker 6: So that is one area which they should have cut
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  Speaker 6: because there is no reason that we should be importing
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  Speaker 6: elderly migrants from overseas, giving them health care and all
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  Speaker 6: the other things because they cost the typical taxpayer about
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: $ 400, 000 each, according to the Treasury. over their life, and
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  Speaker 6: that is just a cost that we should not be bearing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know exactly why they did that.
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  Speaker 1: I noted that when he said that, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're just trying to appease the immigrant communities here to
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: prevent a scare campaign. I think that is purely political.
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  Speaker 1: One last thing here. You know, here's Taylor saying this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the biggest cut in immigration history.
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  Speaker 1: the two immigration in our history, yeah, right, leaving us
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  Speaker 1: with a net immigration of 160,000 a year. For contrast,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: these numbers are extraordinary. Japan, that's a country that values
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  Speaker 1: cultural unity. It has four times our population, yet its
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  Speaker 1: net immigration is even lower than the coalition is promising Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Not 160,000 a year, 140,000 a year. What can we
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  Speaker 2: learn from that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, so Australia should be cutting immigration back to
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  Speaker 6: the early 2000s levels, which is basically what One Nation
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: has proposed with its 130,000 net over series migration target.
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  Speaker 6: That's after they shrink the temporary stock by about 700,000 plus.
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  Speaker 6: So I think this level of immigration is right for Australia.
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  Speaker 6: It's basically going to provide the nation with enough workers
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  Speaker 6: without overburdening infrastructure and housing. And let's be honest, Andrew,
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  Speaker 6: the last 20 years of mass migration has been an
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  Speaker 6: absolute disaster.
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  Speaker 5: We've all lived it.
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  Speaker 6: And One Nation seems to be the only party that
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  Speaker 6: actually is taking this issue seriously and wants to restore
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: immigration back to those early 2000 levels. And sadly, I
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: think Labor and the Coalition's immigration policy today hasn't done
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  Speaker 6: much to dispel their uniparty tag, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: Lee Fernandes, always great to talk to you. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: After the break, Matt Canavan on the immigration policy. Maybe
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: he'll address some of those criticisms. And Anthony Albanese is refusing.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to wear flowers on his head at a climate conference
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: today in Tuvalu, that's already silly enough, I've got to say,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and getting worse. But before we get to this climate
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: conference that the Prime Minister's at today, bizarre scenes, let
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  Speaker 1: us hear from one of the people who today released
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the Coalition's new immigration plan. The biggest cuts ever to immigration,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: they say, is our regular Tuesday commentator, nationals leader Matt Canavan. Matt,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: great to see you again. How is your plan going
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to change Australia?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll make.
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Sure that we once again get our country back. We're
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: not going to have our nation treated as a hotel.
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  Speaker 8: It'll be a home again. We're not a campground. We're
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: a country. And will ensure that we deliver a living
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: wage for Australians, not have their salaries undermined by Labor's
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: mass migration system. The numbers are extraordinary, what's happened in
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  Speaker 8: the past few years. And I've been talking about this
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  Speaker 8: for over.
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  Speaker 2: A year now, Andrew.
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  Speaker 8: I wrote a big article in the Kirra Mail a
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: year ago, just over a year ago, on this, saying
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  Speaker 8: this has to end. And so I'm very proud today
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  Speaker 8: that we've made an announcement for the biggest cuts to
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  Speaker 8: migration in Australia's history. Clearly, the government is not listening
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  Speaker 8: to the Australian people who want those cuts, who want
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: our nation restored.
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  Speaker 2: But we will do that.
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  Speaker 8: We've got a very clear and detailed plan to do
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  Speaker 8: that announced today. And that plan will restore Australia's interests
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  Speaker 8: first when it comes to our migration program. Now, keep
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: in mind that it was the Liberal and National Governments
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: which secured our borders twice before Australia. when boats started
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: arriving on our shores. We will do it again because
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: we have too many people coming in through legal means
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  Speaker 8: under this government.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you've been talking about this longer than
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that on this show for a start. Matt, just before
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: the break, we had Leith Van Onselen saying, well, wait
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a minute, we've got a free trade deal that the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: coalition government signed with India that means it's not going
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to be possible, unless you tear it up, to deny
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: these graduate, temporary graduate visas to Indian students.
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  Speaker 2: Have you looked into that? Yes, we have, Andrew.
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: And look, I like a lot of what Leif does,
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: but I think he was a little bit mistaken there
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: on a few points that I'll go through. First of all,
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: that side letter to the trade agreement with India only
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: says that we must provide opportunities for Indian students for
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: post-work study rights. We are providing opportunities through a temporary
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: skilled program under this policy today. It just won't be
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: automatic like it has been to date, and that's how
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: we'll get the reduction in numbers. We have been in
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: touch with the Indian High Commission and consulted with them
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: about this, but we're very clear that we'll be making
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: decisions in our own nation's interest, and we believe firmly
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: that those are consistent with those agreements. Secondly, Leith made
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: a point about our permanent migration figures. I think he
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: just missed the fact that every year we have people
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: leave Australia. So the 185,000 permanent migration plus 10,000 humanitarian, yes,
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: adds up to 195, but we then have, historically, we
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: have about 20,000 permanent residents leave our country and another
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: 15,000 or so Australians migrate to other countries permanently. And
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: so that's how we get our figures back below that
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: 170,000 to a more consistent level with the homes that
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: we are building right now. So, look, I understand those issues,
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: but we've done the detail.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Can I say it? I add that point.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: On that point, One Nation hasn't even released a permanent
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: migration figure. Look, I think, you know, look, we want
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: to cut to migration. Andrew, I'm sick and tired of
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: the battles between us and One Nation. We just need
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: better decisions made for our country. We want a big
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: cut to migration. I know they do too. But there
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: are some gaps in the policy they announced. We've been
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: working on our policy very hard. It's a very complex area.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: But one and one gap, you'd have to ask One
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: Nation what their figure is. They just haven't released a
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: permanent migration figure at all.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Your policy says anyone here on a sponsored, skilled visa...
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that's a foreign worker sponsored by a business here, has
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to go back overseas if they want to apply for
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: an extension or a new visa, even when they've still
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: got their job there, they've still got their sponsor. That
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: can take up to two months in some cases. Business
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: groups are already complaining, that's not fair, here are a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: couple of.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Even if you've got a sponsored visa, one of your
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: members sponsor someone, they've still got to go offshore.
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: It seems crazy, doesn't it, to think that people would
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: need to go offshore. We appreciate the concern around visa hopping,
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: but I would have thought where you've got priority issues
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: and priority industries and you want to get projects and
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: houses built as quickly as possible, you would not delay that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: So we will be talking to the Coalition.
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: If they've got a job from a reputable employer lined
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: up in a key sector of the economy, we think that...
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: will be problematic and we would like to talk to
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: the Coalition around, you know, maybe adjusting that to recognise
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: when people do have a job lined up that they
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: should be able to stay.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Now, I've got to say that mass immigration has been
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a gravy train for business, so discount that there. What's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: your argument, what's your response to those complaints, though?
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: Well, these programs are temporary in nature, Andrew. They're temporary visas,
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: and when that visa ends, we expect people to leave
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: this country, and if they want to apply for another visa,
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: they can do so. Canada has introduced this same system
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: to great effect and reduced their migration. They've done so,
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: may I add, under a left-wing Labor government. It's unclear
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: to me why this Labor government won't follow suit, because
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: you effectively now have the Labor Party lining up with
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: big business, addicted, to a temporary guest worker workforce in
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: this country, an underclass, if you like, that's providing cheap labour.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: And that is not Australia. That is not our country.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: We have never been addicted to this type of migration program.
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: I support a well-managed migration program. We're a country.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: Did also note, you know, the idea that we'd be
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: like Japan.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: We're not Japan.
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: We have run a very effective, sustainable migration program where
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: we welcome people to start a new life with new
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: hope here in this great country of ours. But we
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: have done so creating a home for them, not as
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: some sort of temporary workforce that does menial jobs for
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: us all.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: That's not our nation.
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: That is not Australia. And this visa hopping has to end,
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: and we're very firm and committed to doing that. Now,
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: by reducing these bridging number of visas, and that's how
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: we'll do that, we'll make sure people have to go
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: home to apply, we'll be able to more efficiently manage
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: this system and make sure that where there is legitimate
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: needs for skills, we can process those things quickly. We
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: are going to establish some limited but important skilled visa
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: streams here that deal with things like the need to
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: build the Olympics infrastructure, to build nuclear skills around AUKUS,
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: to have the tradies needed to build our homes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So we put a lot of.
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: Thought into this policy, but it is about putting our
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: country first. It is about fundamentally... rediscovering our country and
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: taking what it means to be Australian back, and we
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: won't shy away from that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Well, good on you for that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But just quickly, I'm out of time already, but I've
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: got to ask you quickly about this. The Prime Minister's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: meanwhile over at climate conferences and now moves on to Valu,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: where Albanese actually refused to wear a welcome garland of flowers.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I guess he didn't want to look stupid, even more
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: stupid than handing over millions more on global warming schemes
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: for the Pacific countries there. What do you think is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: up to when Tuvalu is actually growing in size, not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: drowning under, you know, rising seas, according to the latest
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: survey there? And two, if you really think global warming
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is a threat, then why are Pacific Islands demanding action
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and cash from Australia when China's emissions are much, much
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: higher than ours and soaring when ours are tiny and falling?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Seems to me that we're de-industrialising while our main danger
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: is increasing in size and wealth.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: Look, it's a sad metaphor for this government, Andrew, where
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: they're focused on these issues that the world has fast
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: moved beyond. At a time when petrol in this country,
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: diesel in this country is going to $ 3 a litre,
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: where energy prices are through the roof, we're losing major
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: industries like steelmaking from our shores, this government is distracted
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: in spending hundreds of millions of your dollars on a
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: talk fest in a Pacific Island nation. Now, I would
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: I would suggest... $ 20 million, actually. If this is a
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: major issue, a major issue for Pacific Islands, why aren't
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: we looking at nuclear, small modular nuclear reactors for the
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Pacific Islands? I just met with some people today about that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: Let's do things like that. And that will help our
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: own country, too, deal with things like AI.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Let's get serious here about energy again.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Why aren't they shaking their begging bowls at China? China
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is by far... more likely to change their climate than
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we are. Why is it China never mentioned? Matt Canavan,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: After the break, the new threat to the West is
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the enemy within.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's even forced Donald Trump to pull out bombers from
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a British base. Australian Federal Police Commissioner Chrissie Barrett, good
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: woman actually. She reckons the West faces a big new danger.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's how a hostile country like Iran can reach right
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: into Western democracies by hiring local criminal networks to commit terrorism.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And I think she actually means ethnic criminal networks. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we've seen that right here already. Iran hiring a Middle
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Eastern crime gang to torch Jewish targets in our own cities.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: In Belgium.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Iran hired local crooks to throw grenades at the Israeli embassy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's hired Middle Eastern criminals in Sweden as well, in Denmark,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in France, in Germany. But its biggest success to date
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: has just happened in Britain, and it's humiliated the United States.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: We've already seen in Britain six men arrested for allegedly
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: planning an attack on an RAF base there that's used
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: by American bombers. These were men suspected of being hired
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: by Iran.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Reportedly. Now, the US last weekend, again reportedly, heard.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Of another planned attack, so they claim, on that base
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: with drones even. And with drones, that would mean local
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: people bringing them there, I think.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And on the weekend, the.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: US scrambled in a panic a dozen of its bombers
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: at that base, very hurriedly flew them back to the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: United States.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: We had an idea that there might be a threat.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: And why would I leave them there?
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: It costs very little.
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: Money to move them, you know, relatively closely.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: But, you know, we had a threat. And if we're
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: going to be threatened, we'll just move them. And that
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: sort of alleviates that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: And we actually know the people that made the threat
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: and they've got themselves in.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: A big trouble. Amazing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: This is an incredible demonstration how even a country like Iran,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: which is supposedly bombed to a pulp, can still threaten
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the United States, their aeroplanes in Britain.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: As I said, that is humiliating for the US.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, at least
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: knows this, unlike Trump. He knows that and tried to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: play it down, tried to paint this retreat like, oh,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: could it be just a routine deployment?
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: It's not unusual to see rotations happen and movement of
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: assets to different parts of the world based on exercises, redeployments,
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: people changing out and new people coming in, new planes
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: coming in, old planes going out. So crews are changing
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: all the time. You guys are just really focused on
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: that now because of the threat last week.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Marco, I'm calling bull on that. Your boss just blew
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the whistle. I spoke earlier to Sean Spicer, Donald Trump's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: first White House spokesman. Sean Spicer, great to see you again.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: The withdrawal of these US planes, these bombers from... a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: British airbase, terrible look for America. It doesn't say much
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: for Britain either. But isn't it also a warning of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: how mass immigration to the West brings new security threats
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that even up the battlefield? So the new military front
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: in any war with the Middle East now runs through
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Many Western cities.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: First, let me just say this. I'm not sure it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a bad look for us. The idea that we recognize
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: after what happened last week in Britain and then they
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: put these guys out on bail, that we're not going
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: to just let, you know, billions of dollars of military
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: hardware sit there hoping that it doesn't get attacked by Iran.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I think there's a bigger issue here. You're touching on
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: part of it, which is the mass migration, the results
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: of it, where we all want to pretend that we're
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: doing the greater good while at the same time potentially
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: letting in harmful elements into our country. We know what
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Iran's motives are. They don't hide them. They're making it
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: very clear. They have a pattern of it. They've come
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: after U.S.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And U.S.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Assets for decades now. Prior to the Iran war, the
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: average was that one, every three days, they killed a U.S.,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: soldier or proxy? At what point are we going to
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: take Iran serious? I know last week they said that
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: they were interested in a deal. At the same time,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: there's credible evidence suggesting that they were behind the attack
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: on that airfield.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: In Britain.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Obviously, we had additional intelligence such that we wanted to
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: remove the bombers. Look, every city in Europe, every city
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: in the Western Hemisphere should consider itself a target. Iran
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: is a threat. They make it very clear that they
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: want to you know, take out the rest of the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Western civilisation. And I think we should take them at
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: their word.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the West has got to confront
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: some hard truths about mass immigration and multiculturalism. But, you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the worse the problem gets, the more that many actually
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: kowtow to it, pretend it doesn't exist, try to get
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: along with it, or exploit it, as we're seeing with
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the French left. Donald Trump, he's now... campaigning very, very hard, Sean,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: as you know. He's going from city to city. A
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: blitz of campaign rallies ahead of the midterm elections in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: just four weeks from now to stop the Republicans losing
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: control of the Senate and the House of Representatives. His
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: poll numbers are bad and he's resorted to offering voters
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a naked bribe.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Here he is.
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: If Republicans win the House of Representatives and the Senate...
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: I'm going to give all adult citizens in the United
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: States of America $ 5, 000.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: That's quite an extraordinary offer.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But where is this election going? That sounds a little
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: desperate there. What are the stakes here?
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: The stakes are enormous. I mean, look, it's the House
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I still think we could hold on to. It's becoming
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: harder and harder. The Senate is clearly, we have a
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: three-seat majority. The Dems actually need four seats because J.D. Vance,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the vice president, would break that tie. It's definitely a
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: tough landscape, although it's interesting dynamic here. You've got states
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: that we shouldn't be competitive in, like Michigan and Maine,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: New Hampshire, that Democrats have. Susan Collins is the Republican
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: incumbent in Maine, but Michigan and New Hampshire are have
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Democrats currently holding those seats. They'd be pickups for us.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And we're extremely competitive in both of those two states.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: But the Democrats have expanded the maps in the states
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: that I didn't think we would be talking about at
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: this stage, particularly Nebraska, South Carolina and Kansas. I think
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: we will be fine. We have plenty of money. The
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: president's going gangbusters and the vice president. The vice president
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: was in Alaska. The president was in Nebraska. He'll be
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: in Ohio again. He's talked earlier about going to Michigan
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: and Maine.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: He'll be everywhere.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: But why it matters, Andrew, more than anything, is the
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Senate is the key to nominations. Every single director, agency head,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: department assistant secretary, all the way up to the secretary themselves,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: have to go through the Senate and be confirmed. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: if you have a Democratic majority, not only is the
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: agenda dead, but the ability to get those confirmations across
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the finish line and put those nominations into office comes
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: to a pure standstill. So The president and his team
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: are 100% aware of this. They're building it out backwards,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: meaning they're starting in some of the redder states to
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: codify them, to solidify them politically, and then they're moving
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: into some of the swingier states. I think that we're
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: going to be fine. Maybe it's a 51, a 52-seat
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: majority as opposed to a 53, but we will maintain
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: the majority.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting tip. Why do you think, though, it
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: is so tight? Why is Donald Trump struggling? Why are
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: his poll numbers low?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, a couple of reasons. One, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: he came into office campaigning against a system and it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: very different when you govern. That's just a reality. Campaigning
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: when you can throw rocks and stones and say, this
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: is horrible. I do this different. He's also a victim
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: of his own success. The border was an immense disaster
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: under Joe Biden. You don't get credit, ironically, in politics
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: for that which you fix. And it's like the dog
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: who caught the car. The president went out there, he
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: sealed the border and the American people said, great, what's next?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: So unfortunately, in so many things that he's done, he's
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: really worked hard to bring down prescription drugs. But they
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: look at the price of gas, which is largely a
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: result of the war. They look at some of the
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: things that they buy every day, and they say, well,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: wait a second. Yeah, maybe it's not as bad as Biden,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: but I thought you'd do more. I'm still concerned about
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: my budget. I'm concerned about AI. That's a huge fear
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: in the United States. both in terms of safety and
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: the amount of costs that it may add to people's
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: electric bills, utility bills. There's a lot of uncertainty right now.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: And just to be blunt, I think one of the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: things that doesn't go as reported is our majorities in
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the House and the Senate haven't done a lot to
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: inspire the base. There's things that the people wanted, particularly
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the SAVE Act, which revolves around election integrity, that the
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Senate did very little to even try to get done
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: And I think that for the average voter out there,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: they look, they throw up their hands and say, we're
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: dealing with a bunch of stuff that's affecting our lives.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: You promised a lot of stuff. Donald Trump's not on
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: the ballot. And they feel like, why am I going
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: out and fighting for Senator so-and-so when I'm not really
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: sure that, I mean, just take, just to give you
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: some example, Andrew, I don't know how close people in
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Australia are following. The last 10 days in the United
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: States Senate, all the floor time was taking up on
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: a college sports bill. about the payments that can be
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: made to players and coaches. Now, I'm a good, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: love college sports as much as anyone. Well, probably not
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: as much as a lot of people that went to
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: big schools. But to me, I was sitting there scratching
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: my head saying, explain to me how people are going
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: to look at that and say, I want to vote
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: for you or how that makes my life better. The
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: priorities of the Senate are just not in line with
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: where the voters are right now.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens. Sean Sparsha, thank you so
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: much for your time. Really appreciate it. You bet.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: And welcome back, Andrew. Great to see you.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: After the break, the new Greens leader, oh dearie me,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a communist plan, I'm not kidding, for hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of government-owned supermarkets. But honestly, the maths already don't add up.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens, under their radical new leader, have just announced
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a new policy, something far more radical than anything One
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  Speaker 1: Nation or the Liberals today have put out.
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  Speaker 2: Their policy is communism. It's back.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens' official think tank, it's called the Green Institute,
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  Speaker 1: has published a report saying a Green government would force
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  Speaker 1: Coles and Woolies to sell 200 of their stores to
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  Speaker 1: a new state-run supermarket chain. That's called fair-go-grocers and says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you should get $ 25 billion of your money
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  Speaker 1: to not just run these 200 supermarkets but build another 400.
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  Speaker 2: And the big claim?
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  Speaker 1: These government supermarkets will sell food much cheaper than you'll
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  Speaker 1: find at Coles and Woolworths. These so-called fair-go-grocers, it says,
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  Speaker 1: would slash prices on essentials like eggs, milk, fruit, vegetables,
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  Speaker 1: meat and cheese by 30%. It would also offer savings storewide,
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  Speaker 1: ensuring you get 22% off an average shop. And what
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  Speaker 1: does new Greens leader David Shoebridge think of giving Australia
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  Speaker 1: Soviet Union-style supermarkets? He is all in, saying this is
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  Speaker 1: one of the solutions to the cost of living crisis
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  Speaker 1: because it makes buying the essentials at the supermarket cheaper.
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  Speaker 1: To which I say, oh, really? Because basic maths tells
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  Speaker 1: you this is a con. It is a money pit
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  Speaker 1: for taxpayers. Coles and Woolies make a profit about 5.5%
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  Speaker 1: on selling food, and they are experts at finding out
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  Speaker 1: what's cheap and good and selling enough and not minimising waste. 5.5% profit.
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  Speaker 1: So even if the Greens' government-run stores were as efficient
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  Speaker 1: as Coles and Woolies', how could they cut food prices
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  Speaker 1: by up to 30% without selling.
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  Speaker 2: At a huge loss? And what pressure will they be under, actually, to.
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  Speaker 1: Cut their costs with the government just tipping in the
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  Speaker 1: cash when they run short? Joining me are Mia Schlicht,
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  Speaker 1: Executive Director of the Samuel Griffith Society, and Peter McGoran,
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  Speaker 1: former Federal Nationals Minister. Peter, it's like the Greens have
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  Speaker 1: never seen how communism failed. Or will the Greens, you think,
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  Speaker 1: finally make communism work with state-owned supermarkets?
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  Speaker 13: Well, actually, I think the communists were cleverer. in one sense, Andrew,
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  Speaker 13: because they wanted to seize the means of production so
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  Speaker 13: that all the fresh fruit and the manufactured goods inside
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  Speaker 13: a supermarket will, of course, also be under control, because
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  Speaker 13: otherwise those suppliers will exact too high a price. And
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  Speaker 13: let's face it, tragically, tens of millions of people starved
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  Speaker 13: in communist China and the Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 7: The worst thing is, Andrew, it's not even original.
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  Speaker 13: This is being floated in the US, particularly in New
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  Speaker 13: York by Mayor Mamdani and in New Zealand. But to
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  Speaker 13: much smaller extent, this is a $ 25 billion project. The
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  Speaker 13: weird thing is that the Green Institute, the think tank
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  Speaker 13: for the Greens... how's that for an oxymoron, has published it.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, the Labor Party has the John Curtin Institute,
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  Speaker 13: the Liberals, the Menzies Institute.
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  Speaker 7: They're at least creditable. But the Greens Institute, what a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't they call it the Karl Marx Institute and
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  Speaker 2: be done with it? Mia, will this work? Can this work?
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  Speaker 14: No, Andrew, this policy is us living in la-la land.
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  Speaker 14: I honestly think this is just a headline grabber from
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  Speaker 14: the Greens because they know they're fading into irrelevance. We
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: saw them get wiped out last federal election because Australians
• 40:24
  Speaker 14: don't resonate with what the Greens stand for. And so
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  Speaker 14: this is them trying to get back into the spotlight
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  Speaker 14: because there's no spot for them. And this idea, the
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  Speaker 14: economic reality of it doesn't stack up. So what, the supermarket,
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  Speaker 14: when we go to the supermarket, it will be 20%, 30%
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  Speaker 14: cheaper for all of us. And they've also said that
• 40:41
  Speaker 14: they'll pay farmers more. Yet, as you said, there's not
• 40:45
  Speaker 14: that much profit in it. So somewhere, somebody has to
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: make up the costs here. And they're not explaining that.
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: And that's because they can't, because it's just a made
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  Speaker 14: up policy that would never work.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow is October 7. It is the anniversary of the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Hamas slaughter of 1,200 Israelis. and the rape, of course,
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  Speaker 1: of women and the beheading of men, the kidnapping and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the ultimate murder of children. Yet pro-Palestine extremists, Peter, they're
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: going to defile that day by planning an anti-Israel gathering
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  Speaker 1: at Sydney's Town Hall and a sit-in vigil outside the
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne State Library. Should governments act here or is this,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 13: They're sick puppies, aren't they? Demented, delusional forces of hate
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  Speaker 13: and division. And, of course, it's all designed, Andrew, to
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  Speaker 13: attract attention and to unsettle and create fear and uncertainty
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  Speaker 13: in the Jewish communities of Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Can we stop it?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 7: Sadly, we don't live in a dictatorship.
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  Speaker 13: One of the most disappointing things for me is I'm
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  Speaker 13: still waiting for any iman or Muslim or Islamic religious
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  Speaker 13: or non-religious organisation to.
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  Speaker 7: Speak out against it. As of now, I can't find any.
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  Speaker 13: And so the interfaith work that's been done for decades,
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  Speaker 13: I think, amounts to nothing. These people are given a
• 42:20
  Speaker 13: free reign by the religions that they purport to represent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now they're making common cause with the hard left,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: which is anti our society as well. Look, Mia, I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: guess the thing is that at least we can now
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: see with our own eyes how far the rot has
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  Speaker 1: gone among the youth of Australia, that they should be there.
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  Speaker 1: We can actually count them and perhaps identify them and
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  Speaker 1: make them suffer in some way with the shame or something,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe they're beyond shame.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: What do you think should be done?
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  Speaker 7: Well, look, it's a.
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  Speaker 14: Tricky situation because I'm a huge advocate for freedom of expression,
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: freedom of speech and the right to protest. But at
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: some point, the right to protest, that is not an
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  Speaker 14: absolute right that trumps every other right. And there are
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: competing freedoms which are, you know, at risk here. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: yet we're seeing no political leadership on this issue. Chris
• 43:17
  Speaker 14: Mintz previously did try to stop protests. in New South
• 43:21
  Speaker 14: Wales following the Bondi massacre because he recognised that there
• 43:24
  Speaker 14: was a political need at that time to restore some
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: order for a short window, and we had the court
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: that struck that down. And so we're now... And Minns,
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: as a result, responded by saying he wasn't going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: act until the court told him what he was and
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: wasn't allowed to do. So we're now in a situation
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: where we have a lack of political leadership in this
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  Speaker 14: country because they are now referring to what the higher power,
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: which is the courts. But I think on this one... Yes,
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  Speaker 14: I support the right to protest, but at some point
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: that line needs to be drawn. You do not have
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: the right to bully, intimidate or harass the Australian population
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  Speaker 14: for these pro-Palestinians and these protests against Israel. That is
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: what we are seeing. We are seeing bullying and intimidation,
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: and that's where I think the line needs to be
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  Speaker 14: drawn on the right to protest.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I'd like the police to monitor our
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: bylaws very, very carefully.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Don't block the roads. Anyone blocking the roads, arrest. Anyone scrubbing....
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Putting graffiti anywhere, arrest them. I mean, no mercy on
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: that front, but they've got to be allowed to protest,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I guess, but we should be allowed to call them
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: all the names under the sun for the total lack
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: of humanity, compassion, dignity, anything.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's just disgusting.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Sydney Strathfield Council, Peter, they haven't really voted to chip
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  Speaker 1: off or cover up slogans from their six welcome signs
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  Speaker 1: saying this always was and always will be a Wangal country,
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal country.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look.
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  Speaker 6: That kind of divisive political language doesn't belong on our
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  Speaker 6: welcome signs. And it's my view that this virtue signalling
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: should stay out of our local government.
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  Speaker 1: This is the same councillors also told shops they have
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  Speaker 1: to have English on shopfront signs as well as whatever
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  Speaker 1: other language they choose to have. And it's now gone further, Peter,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: voting to remove the Aboriginal flag from outside their chambers.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Is this healthy?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Is this the kind of push for more cultural unity
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that really is what so many Australians seem to be after,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: even more than simply cutting immigration numbers?
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: This is a good news story, Andrew. Can we have
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: more of this? Let's have a segment. Good news story
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: of the week.
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  Speaker 13: Just when you think the gulag of inner city councils
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: have overwhelmed rationality, then you find the Strathfield Council.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: They're an inner west city. council in Sydney.
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  Speaker 13: Luckily, fortunately, it's Liberal controlled and led by a mayor
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  Speaker 13: and deputy mayor. They're doing exactly the right thing. The
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  Speaker 13: last census figures show there's 202 Indigenous people who identify
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  Speaker 13: as Indigenous in Strathfield. So to have this distortion of
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: the welcome to council boundaries I think is divisive.
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  Speaker 7: So well done, Strathfield Council. You give us all hope.
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  Speaker 1: Mia, I've only got 20 seconds left before I go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: What do you think of this?
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  Speaker 14: I think it's a good news story as well, Andrew.
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: I think this is some leadership that we're all desperate
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  Speaker 14: to see. I think we want unity in this country
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  Speaker 14: and things like making sure we share a common language
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  Speaker 14: and one flag is important.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I agree completely with you. What a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Peter McGoran-Mishley, thank you very much to you both. Now,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: before I do go, one last thing. So much we've
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: discussed tonight, mass immigration, Aboriginal flags, Muslim immigration. They're topics
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that many people have not dared to discuss, which is
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: why I think this latest ad from One Nation is
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: really going to hit home.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Can you pass the nutritional yeast? Nathan, what's wrong?
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: You've barely touched your vegan mung beans. I can't do
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: this anymore.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Mum, Dad, I have something to tell you. I'm conservative.
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: Nathan, me too.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: I always have been.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: I've loved her for 30 years.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank God. I voted no.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be a little girl anymore.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: We should defund the ABC. I'm sick of being biased.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be on bail. No more mass migration. I
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: just want cheap power.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: I shouldn't have been allowed into the country.
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: I just wish money went to people on the basis
• 48:10
  Speaker 12: of need, not identity.
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: What are we doing?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's been right all along.
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah!
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: I love One Nation!
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: We love Australia!
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: One Nation has few policies, no costings, virtually no experience
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: in government. But I tell you what, they run amazing ads.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: They have tapped the vibe like none of the other
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: big parties have. So make of that what you will.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Up next is Shari Markson.
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  Speaker 3: Good night.