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SCOTUS arguments, DHS funding, and the future of NATO and “Five Eyes” · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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Speaker 2: And Evening Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewett. The war with
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Speaker 2: Iran goes very very well, very very well.
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Speaker 1: President Trump will address the nation about it tonight at
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock Eastern time.
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Speaker 2: Tune into the Sale New Channel, watch it wherever you can.
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Speaker 2: I'll bring you analysis of it tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday he made remarks in the Oval Office in the afternoon,
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Speaker 1: which I'll play in the courts of the program today.
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Speaker 1: Secretary Rubio also gave a brief summary of the arguments
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Speaker 1: for continuing the devastation of Iran and why we went
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Speaker 1: to one in the first place that the White House
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Speaker 1: released I want you to hear at Cuttnambert twenty one.
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Speaker 3: Many Americans are asking why did the United States have
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Speaker 3: to attack Iran?
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Speaker 2: Now, well, let me explain.
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Speaker 3: Iran wants to have nuclear weapons of that there is
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Speaker 3: zero doubt. If what they truly wanted, which is what
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Speaker 3: they claim is nuclear energy, well they could have nuclear
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Speaker 3: energy like all the other countries in the world have it,
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Speaker 3: and that is you import the fuel and you build
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Speaker 3: reactors above ground. That's not what Iran has done. They
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Speaker 3: build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains, away
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Speaker 3: from the public glare, and they want to enrich that material.
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Speaker 3: The same equipment that they could use to enrich material
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Speaker 3: for energy, they could use to quickly enrich it to
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Speaker 3: weapons grade. So it is clear that they've been offered
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Speaker 3: every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them
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Speaker 3: to have energy, not weapons, and every single time they
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Speaker 3: have turned it down. But why the attack now, Well,
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Speaker 3: what was Iran trying to do. Iran was trying to
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Speaker 3: build a conventional shield in essence, have so many missiles,
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Speaker 3: have so many drones that no one could attack them,
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Speaker 3: and they.
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Speaker 4: Were well on their way.
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Speaker 3: We were on the verge of an Iran that had
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Speaker 3: so many missiles and so many drones that no one
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Speaker 3: could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future.
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Speaker 3: That was an intolerable risk. Under no circumstances can a
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Speaker 3: country run by radical Shiah clerics with an apocalyptic vision
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Speaker 3: of the future ever possess nuclear weapons, and under no
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Speaker 3: circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that
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Speaker 3: program and their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and
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Speaker 3: drones that no one can do anything about. This was
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Speaker 3: our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that
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Speaker 3: conventional shield that they were trying to build, and the
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Speaker 3: President made the right decision to wipe it out. Now
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Speaker 3: that is the goal of this operation, to destroy their
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Speaker 3: conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide
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Speaker 3: behind it and finally have to deal with the world
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Speaker 3: seriously about never ever having nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 1: I think this secretary put it very very well, and
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Speaker 1: I believe completely that it's been a to this point
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Speaker 1: remarkably successful mission. Now, thirteen Americans are dead as the
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Speaker 1: ultimate sacrifice made by thirteen service people, and theirs families
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Speaker 1: are in our prayers and they will be helped, and
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Speaker 1: we will concern ourselves with the wounded after the war
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Speaker 1: is done and they are being tended to. Of course,
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Speaker 1: they're double digit seriously wounded Americans as well, and Israelis
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Speaker 1: have suffered. Our golf allies have suffered a lot of
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Speaker 1: people have suffered by paying higher prices. I understand, but
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Speaker 1: gas prices will plummet when the straight oh war moves reopens.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the President's going to say
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Speaker 1: tonight and take a victory lap, but I think he's
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Speaker 1: going to say exactly what Secretary Rubio said at length
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Speaker 1: with more details tune in tonight. Now, the big story
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Speaker 1: that had happened today, we're arguments held before the Supreme
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Speaker 1: Court in Trump versus Barbara. Trump versus Barbara is about
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Speaker 1: President Trump's executive order saying that after a date, certain
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Speaker 1: foreigner is born children born of foreign parents in the
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Speaker 1: United States were no longer United States citizens. I've told
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Speaker 1: you from the beginning, I did not believe that's constitutional.
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Speaker 1: If you're born in America, you're an American citizen. I've
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Speaker 1: been arguing this with John Eastman, for example, for twenty years,
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Speaker 1: and I've always had the same argument. When we had
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Speaker 1: our massive influx of immigration after the Fourteenth Amendment between
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Speaker 1: eighteen eighty and nineteen twenty, many people came into the
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Speaker 1: country illegally. We have never ever looked. There's also the
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Speaker 1: case of wangkim Ark. There's statutes pass subsequent I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get a close call. I think it'd be at
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Speaker 1: worse seven to two, probably eight to one upholding birthright citizenship.
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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, it was an interesting argument. Today.
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Speaker 1: I want to start with Justice Kavanaugh and exchange with
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Speaker 1: John Sower, the Solicitor General. Actually it's with Cecilia Wang,
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Speaker 1: the AHLU lawyer, Cut number fifteen.
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Speaker 5: And this in your opening that if we agree with
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Speaker 5: you on how to read wankim ark, then you win,
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Speaker 5: so that it could be a if we did agree
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Speaker 5: with you in wankim ark, that could be just a
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Speaker 5: short opinion, right. That says the better reading is respondence reading.
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Speaker 5: Government doesn't ask this to overrule a firm.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's by the way, that's the best kind of
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Speaker 1: argument to have is when the justice says, if we
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Speaker 1: agree with you, we it's a short opinion. And all
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Speaker 1: that Nis Wayang said was yes, and that got a
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Speaker 1: lot from the courtroom crowd because it was a good response.
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Speaker 1: Justice Amy Coney Barrett here is talking with Solicitor General
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Speaker 1: John Sower.
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Speaker 2: You decide for yourself what she thinks. Cut number seventeen.
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Speaker 6: Okay, let's talk about it's applications, so you know there
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Speaker 6: are some I can imagine it being messy on some applications.
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Speaker 6: So how what would you do with what the common
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Speaker 6: law called foundlings?
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: The thing about this is and then you have to
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Speaker 6: adjudicate if you're looking at parents, and if you're looking
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Speaker 6: at parents domicile, then you have to adjudicate both residents
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Speaker 6: and intent to say, what if you don't know who
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Speaker 6: the parents are?
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Speaker 7: I think there are marginal cases that one I think
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Speaker 7: has the benefit of being addressed in fourteen oh one
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Speaker 7: afore it talks about it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, ye, yeah, yeah, But what about the constitution.
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Speaker 7: Under the constitution, it's domina I mean, look there, domicile
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Speaker 7: is a constitutional standard in all kinds.
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Speaker 2: Of other situations. Well, and it's hard.
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Speaker 7: First jurisdiction, personal jurisdiction start well, yeah, and a.
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Speaker 6: Personal jurisdiction, I mean thirteen thirty two diversity jurisdiction. And
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Speaker 6: the thing is it has to be litigated because it
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Speaker 6: turns on intent and both the virtue of both you
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Speaker 6: solely and U sanguineous, whichever one you pick. It's a
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Speaker 6: bright line rule. How would it work? How would you
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Speaker 6: adjudicate these cases? You're not going to know at the
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Speaker 6: time of birth for some people, whether they have the
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Speaker 6: intent to stay or not, including US citizens by the way,
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Speaker 6: I mean, what if you have someone who is living
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Speaker 6: in Norway with their husband and family, but it's still
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Speaker 6: a US citizen, comes home and has her child here
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Speaker 6: and goes back. How do we know whether the child
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Speaker 6: is a US citizen because the parent didn't have an
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Speaker 6: intent to stay.
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Speaker 2: I'd make two points, one practical, one legal.
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Speaker 7: The practical point is, under the terms of this executive order,
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Speaker 7: you don't have to because the executive order turns on
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Speaker 7: objectively verifiable things, which is immigration status. Are you lawfully
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Speaker 7: present but temporary early present, or do you have an
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Speaker 7: illegal status?
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Speaker 2: So those kind of like you.
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Speaker 7: Know, taking evidence so to speak, under subject to ten
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Speaker 7: wouldn't be done. And as to the constitutional point, obviously,
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Speaker 7: domicile is baked into a lot of constitutional and legal concepts,
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Speaker 7: and there may be situations where facts are determined. But
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Speaker 7: if you look at the guidance, the guidance that all
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Speaker 7: the agencies did after this court and Costa said the
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Speaker 7: agency could go for an issue guidance, the guidance provides
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Speaker 7: I think, very very clear, objective, verifiable approaches to doing this.
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Speaker 7: And so as a practical matter, I don't think it's
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Speaker 7: some mood presented by this executive order, Thank you, General Chief.
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Speaker 1: Justice Roberts also had questions for John Sower cutting number thirteen.
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Speaker 7: Based on Chinese media reports, there are five hundred five
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Speaker 7: hundred birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China.
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Speaker 7: Who's what business is to bring people here to give
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Speaker 7: birth and return to that nation.
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Speaker 2: Having said all that, you do agree that.
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Speaker 7: That has no impact on the legal analysis before us.
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Speaker 7: I think it's I quote what Justice Clia said in
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Speaker 7: his Homdan descent, where they had where their interpretation has
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Speaker 7: these implications that could not possibly have been approved by
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Speaker 7: the nineteenth century framers of this amendment. I think that
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Speaker 7: shows that they made a mess. Their interpretation has made
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Speaker 7: a mess in the provision.
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Speaker 8: Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the nineteenth century.
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Speaker 7: No, But of course we're in a new world now,
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Speaker 7: is Justice Leada pointed out to where eight billion people
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Speaker 7: are one plane ride away from having a child who's
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Speaker 7: a US citizen.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a new world. It's the same constitution, it is.
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Speaker 7: And as Justice Clia said, I think in the case
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Speaker 7: that Justice Ledo was referring to, you've got a conscial
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Speaker 7: provision that addresses certain evils, and it should be extended
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Speaker 7: to reasonly comparable evils. He said, they about sash store interpretation.
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Speaker 7: I think the same principle applies here, and I think
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Speaker 7: we quote that in our brief.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Justice John Sower is referring to an exchange
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Speaker 1: with Justice Soleta, which had occurred earlier in the argument
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Speaker 1: cutting them.
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Speaker 9: Were nineteenations that they had in mind when they adopted
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Speaker 9: the general rule, or do we say they adopted a
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Speaker 9: general rule. They meant for that to apply to later
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Speaker 9: applications that might come up. Justice Scalia had an example
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Speaker 9: that dealt with this situation. He imagined an old theft
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Speaker 9: statute that was it acted well before anybody conceived of
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Speaker 9: a microwave oven, and then afterwards someone is charged with
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Speaker 9: the crime of stealing a microwave of it. And this
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Speaker 9: fellow says, well, I can't be convicted under this because
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Speaker 9: the microwave oven didn't exist at that time, And he
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Speaker 9: dismissed that.
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Speaker 2: There's a general rule there, and you'll apply it to
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Speaker 2: future applications.
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Speaker 10: And what we're dealing with here is something that was
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Speaker 10: basically unknown at the time when the fourteenth Amendment was adopted,
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Speaker 10: which is illegal immigration. So how did we deal with
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Speaker 10: that situation when we have a general rule?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I strongly agree with the way that you framed it,
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Speaker 7: that there is a general principle, that's a broad principle.
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Speaker 7: It's adopted it phrase under the jurisdiction thereof. And we
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Speaker 7: submit that more theory of allegiance and domicile based allegiance.
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Speaker 2: What explains those specific exceptions that.
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Speaker 7: Everybody was aware of, but it has broad enough to
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Speaker 7: sweep in future situations. And as you pointed out, all
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Speaker 7: legal immigration did not exist then. Now the problem of
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Speaker 7: temporary visitors did exist.
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Speaker 1: That good try John Sower, not just tracing. I think
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Speaker 1: this one is easy. If you're born here, you're a citizen.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned. I'm healing you do it.
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Speaker 1: Joined now by Sarah C. Bedford to the Washington Examiner,
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Speaker 1: where she's chief investigation's reporter.
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Speaker 2: Sarah, I'm hoping.
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Speaker 1: To cover a lot of ground with you today, But
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Speaker 1: can we begin with the government shutdown?
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Speaker 2: Not shut down?
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Speaker 1: The Senate pastor bill, the House rejected it. The Senate said,
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Speaker 1: let's use reconciliation. The President went, what's going on with
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Speaker 1: the government shutdown.
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Speaker 11: Well, it seems like we finally have some sort of
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Speaker 11: deal to get the government open. And honestly, it's the
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Speaker 11: same one that the House Republicans could have taken on Friday,
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Speaker 11: but chose not to and head into this recess with
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Speaker 11: DHS still unfunded. So the Senate had passed a bill
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Speaker 11: that funded almost all of the DHS through the end
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Speaker 11: of the fiscal year, but did not include funding for
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Speaker 11: the immigration enforcement operations at ICE and CBP, and that's
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Speaker 11: what's controversial with Democrats. They want to see a bunch
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Speaker 11: of reforms to immigration enforcement before they sign on to
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Speaker 11: fund those agencies and all of their proposals.
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Speaker 12: Basically, we're just non starters with Republicans.
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Speaker 11: But House leadership under Johnson said, we don't really trust
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Speaker 11: you guys, our Senate colleagues to follow through on any
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Speaker 11: sort of two track process that would fund the controversial
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Speaker 11: parts of DHS. And so Johnson had said, we're not
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Speaker 11: going to pass the Senate version of the bill because
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Speaker 11: we want to fund all of DHS at once, and
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Speaker 11: the House wanted to do that with a very short
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Speaker 11: cr that would just be eight weeks of funding for
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Speaker 11: all of DHS to give time to negotiate something longer
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Speaker 11: for and Trump had just sort of been sitting in
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Speaker 11: the background, letting fun and Johns and sort of publicly
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Speaker 11: spar over the right approach here, and Trump weighing in
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Speaker 11: and saying he fully backs the reconciliation process.
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Speaker 12: And we've talked about this before.
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Speaker 11: He wasn't clear that Republicans were going to take the
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Speaker 11: reconciliation option this year, in election year. Trump putting his
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Speaker 11: full backing behind it seems to be what finally broke
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Speaker 11: the logjam. And now it seems that Republicans have agreed
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Speaker 11: to do this in a two track process. They're going
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Speaker 11: to fund all of DHS minus the controversial.
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Speaker 12: Stuff, right away, and then they're going to.
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Speaker 11: Do reconciliation, which allows them to overcome the filibuster and
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Speaker 11: the Senate to fund ICE and CDP enforcement operations for
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Speaker 11: three years to avoid this sort of fight in the
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Speaker 11: near term.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad.
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Speaker 1: I'm on Special Report on Friday night, and when I
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Speaker 1: heard Speaker Johnson and rejected the Senate bill, I said
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Speaker 1: then that did not make a lot of sense to me.
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Speaker 1: But the Democrats were the ones who shut down the government,
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Speaker 1: but it was a political difficulty, So when will the
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Speaker 1: House return to vote on the Senate bill?
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Speaker 11: Well, I would think that Speaker Johnson would want to
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Speaker 11: get the members back as soon as.
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Speaker 12: Possible, and that is sort of what he and Dude
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Speaker 12: and everybody had.
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Speaker 11: Sort of telegraphed that, like, sure, we're going on recess,
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Speaker 11: but if there's any sort of real chance we could
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Speaker 11: get DJs open, we'd rush back to Washington. So it
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Speaker 11: does look like Johnson is going to have to make
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Speaker 11: good on that promise and bring everybody back. They're all
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Speaker 11: getting hammered by DMZ for like living life a little
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Speaker 11: too hard during this recess. So for Optic's sake, I
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Speaker 11: think Republicans probably need to get back to Washington quickly
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Speaker 11: and do this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to the reconciliation. Reconciliation is a
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Speaker 1: simple majority process that deals with spending money. Are they
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Speaker 1: going to wait for the president's budget and add the
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Speaker 1: Defense supplemental into the reconciliation, which is what I hope
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Speaker 1: they do.
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Speaker 11: It's not clear yet what all they're going to add
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Speaker 11: to reconciliation, but like you mentioned, you know, this is
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Speaker 11: a budget tool. The things they put into it have
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Speaker 11: to sort of pertain to the budget in some way
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Speaker 11: in order to surve the Senate parliamentarian and Trump didn't
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Speaker 11: really weigh in on what else he wants in the
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Speaker 11: reconciliation build. But the Republicans only have one shot at
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Speaker 11: using reconciliation each year, so they can only do this
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Speaker 11: one time. And Trump has previously indicated that he wants
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Speaker 11: to see, for example, what usable elements of the Save
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Speaker 11: Act might survive the Senate process in the reconciliation built,
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Speaker 11: Republicans have previously discussed, like you just mentioned, including supplemental
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Speaker 11: funding for the Pentagon.
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Speaker 12: For the Iran war in that reconciliation built.
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Speaker 11: And I can't imagine once they're sort of unified Republicans
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Speaker 11: on the idea of using reconciliation that they wouldn't try
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Speaker 11: to pack as much as they could possibly get through
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Speaker 11: into that build because it's the only train leaving the
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Speaker 11: station this year.
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Speaker 1: I believe the President's budget is coming soon, I hope.
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping it as a wopping big amount for shipbuilding,
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Speaker 1: a wopping big amount for Golden Dome, a wopping big
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Speaker 1: amount for munitions, And I don't see any reason not
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Speaker 1: to put that into a reconciliation. Would anyone push back
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Speaker 1: against that in the Republican side, not named Tom Masseiw
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Speaker 1: who's not really a Republican, and I hope he loses.
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Speaker 11: He took the words out of my mouth, and perhaps
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Speaker 11: a Rand Pall or someone else who tends to be
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Speaker 11: a very strict budget hawk. But if you're talking about
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Speaker 11: getting the majority of Republican votes a reconciliation bill, it
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Speaker 11: was just supplemental funding for the Pentagon and funding for
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Speaker 11: the controversial parts of DHS would presumably sail through.
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Speaker 1: All right, now, switching subjects on you. The President is
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Speaker 1: going to speak tonight. What leaks have you heard? I've
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Speaker 1: got a leak from Alex Credo over at the Free
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Speaker 1: Beacon basically saying, it's what we've heard for five weeks.
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Speaker 2: We've done it. It's done.
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Speaker 1: They're almost crushed completely. We're there for two or three
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Speaker 1: more weeks, and then we're at what have you heard?
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Speaker 11: The term seems to be hinting that he wants to
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Speaker 11: do maybe not quite a mission accomplished moment, but reassure
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Speaker 11: the American people that this is and will continue to
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Speaker 11: be a.
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Speaker 12: Limited military engagement.
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Speaker 11: Perhaps it is not going to result in any kind
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Speaker 11: of escalation into a ground war that the United States
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Speaker 11: is pretty confident it's achieved its stated objectives heading into
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Speaker 11: the conflict, which was to sort of force some sort
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Speaker 11: of regime change, to degrade Around's nuclear capabilities, to prevent
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Speaker 11: them from having the amount of missiles that they had
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Speaker 11: that could reach Europe, and other things like that. So,
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Speaker 11: you know, this is a chance for Donald Trump to
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Speaker 11: put a hard sell on this war to a bigger
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Speaker 11: audience of Americans than he has so far. I mean, right,
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Speaker 11: he barely mentioned Iran in his State of the Union,
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Speaker 11: which was the last time he had a big platform
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Speaker 11: in front of all Americans to talk about foreign policy.
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Speaker 12: And so perhaps this.
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Speaker 11: Could just be him sort of putting a bow on
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Speaker 11: five weeks of hard work from the military and trying
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Speaker 11: to assure Americans that that'll be that.
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Speaker 1: Sir, you're way too young to remember Richard Nixon Great
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Speaker 1: Silent Majority speech.
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Speaker 2: It was watched by.
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Speaker 1: Seventy seven million people, three out of four of whom
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Speaker 1: approved of his speech. That's the old days when you
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Speaker 1: get Americans down in front of a television and watch
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Speaker 1: a presidential address. I am a skeptic that Tonight's speech,
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Speaker 1: no matter how good, can move public. I think public
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Speaker 1: opinion will be the same about the war afterward. The
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Speaker 1: only thing that's actually going to change public opinion is
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Speaker 1: fallow falling gas prices. Do you agree with me or
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Speaker 1: do you think it can make a dent tonight?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think to the extent that people are unhappy
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Speaker 11: with the conflict.
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Speaker 12: It's exactly that. It's the high price of gas.
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Speaker 11: And the looming fear that troops might be sent into
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Speaker 11: a run. If Trump comes out and says the ground
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Speaker 11: troop thing is not going to happen, so you don't
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Speaker 11: have to worry, and we're winding it down. So you
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Speaker 11: start to see the stock market, it's already rebounding rally
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Speaker 11: on that news, and you might, you know, see some
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Speaker 11: optimism that the straight up wore Mos is going to
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Speaker 11: get reopened and.
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Speaker 12: You'll have those those gas prices fall. So this is
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Speaker 12: this is an opportunity for him.
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Speaker 2: Sarah see Bedford of the Washington Exam and everything. Welcome
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Speaker 2: back in America. I'm you at.
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Speaker 1: Jim Tallon, former senator from Missouri, is a member of
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Speaker 1: the Reagan Institute Center for Peace through Strength. Jim, good
18:02
Speaker 1: to have you back. They're new names atop the Iranian
18:05
Speaker 1: regime Ahmad Bahiti is the head of the IRGC. There's
18:09
Speaker 1: goal about their speakers around them, Margins here, a guy
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Speaker 1: named z Algar. They sound like Bond villains, but they're
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Speaker 1: not moderates.
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Speaker 2: They are killers.
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Speaker 1: They were in the Iran Iraq War for ten years.
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Speaker 1: They're part of the revolution. I don't see Iran becoming
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Speaker 1: part of the Community of Nations anytime soon if these
18:29
Speaker 1: people stay in charge.
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Speaker 4: To you, well, I think you're right that they're not moderates.
18:36
Speaker 4: But even if they were, they're not going to be
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Speaker 4: saying anything along those lines, because they're looking around at
18:41
Speaker 4: the other you know, the guys with guns in whatever
18:44
Speaker 4: caves they're hiding in, and they're wondering if they're going
18:47
Speaker 4: to get if they're going to get knocked off if
18:50
Speaker 4: they don't follow the party line, and they don't even
18:52
Speaker 4: understand what that is. And it's really resembling Hitler in
18:56
Speaker 4: the Bunker right where everybody has to pretend that there's
19:00
Speaker 4: still a major power in the region capable of generating
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Speaker 4: and sustaining coercive power, and they're not. And so I
19:08
Speaker 4: don't know what the endgame is you it's it just
19:10
Speaker 4: seems increasingly unlikely to me that the regime can survive
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Speaker 4: what's happening to them.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that, just a year. Might take a year.
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Speaker 2: But Jim, what do you expect the president to do?
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Speaker 1: I had to write a column for Fox for tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: so the deadline was this afternoon. I said, whatever he says,
19:28
Speaker 1: I hope he says it well, but it's not going
19:30
Speaker 1: to change public opinion because America is so polarized. What
19:33
Speaker 1: do you hope to hear him say? What do you
19:34
Speaker 1: expect he will say?
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Speaker 4: Well, on that pointview, I think once it becomes evident,
19:41
Speaker 4: as is now very very likely that this has been
19:44
Speaker 4: a successful mission, in other words, that we got to win,
19:50
Speaker 4: I think you may see public opinions start to change
19:52
Speaker 4: Americans level winner. I think that's one of the axioms
19:56
Speaker 4: of politics. He's going to talk about the reasons for
19:59
Speaker 4: the mission, the objectives, the progress of it, and I
20:03
Speaker 4: think he'll say, look, we've destroyed he may not put
20:06
Speaker 4: it this way, but we've destroyed their center of gravity,
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Speaker 4: their ability to generate and project coercive power. The interesting
20:13
Speaker 4: thing to me is what are their options. Does he
20:16
Speaker 4: talk about attacking the economy, the electrical infrastructure, attacking or
20:20
Speaker 4: seizing oil assets, supporting the dissidents, taking control of the Straits.
20:27
Speaker 4: I think probably American and Israel together are going to
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Speaker 4: do some combination of all of those things. I doubt
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Speaker 4: the President will get heavily into that because he wants
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Speaker 4: to keep what's left of the regime.
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Speaker 1: Guessing now, Jim Tallant, they're out of money. They don't
20:44
Speaker 1: have any money. The real is worthless. They've got Swiss
20:47
Speaker 1: bank accounts, but that's for their own people, that's for
20:50
Speaker 1: their kids who are studying abroad, and for their grandkids.
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Speaker 1: They are normal in that respect.
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Speaker 2: What are they going to do.
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Speaker 1: When they can't pay the besiege, when they can't rebuild anything,
21:01
Speaker 1: I mean they have no money.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is why you have to believe they're
21:08
Speaker 4: going to come apart at the seams at some point.
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Speaker 4: I mean you, if the war stopped today, it would
21:16
Speaker 4: still have achieved an enormous change in the direction of
21:19
Speaker 4: the Middle East, because the Islamic Republic has terrorized the
21:22
Speaker 4: region for decades and decades, and they've been exposed.
21:26
Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 4: They never were as powerful as they thought they were,
21:31
Speaker 4: but we've destroyed the power that they have. We in
21:34
Speaker 4: the Israelis and to the extent they do survive that
21:38
Speaker 4: they've got to concentrate on suppressing descent in the country
21:41
Speaker 4: and just trying to stay in power.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you rebuild.
21:45
Speaker 4: When we've destroyed the defense industrial base, and when, as
21:48
Speaker 4: you say, they didn't have an economy to begin with.
21:52
Speaker 2: I don't either.
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Speaker 1: I do wonder if Israel will continue to patrol the
21:56
Speaker 1: skies in a sort of no fly zone, no drive
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Speaker 1: zone like we do over Iraq for ten years.
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Speaker 2: Would the world allow that? Would would Syria object?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what would you respond to that if Israel said, President,
22:10
Speaker 1: we gotchas.
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Speaker 4: I very much think that if the regime survives, we
22:16
Speaker 4: don't see a fundamental change in direction. That the Israelis
22:20
Speaker 4: will continue to police their activities and to hit them
22:24
Speaker 4: if they if they try and build anything up. And
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Speaker 4: I think the United States will be fine with that.
22:28
Speaker 4: And I don't think the Israelis is going to care
22:30
Speaker 4: very much what Emmanuel Macrone says about it. I mean,
22:36
Speaker 4: a side effect of this war has been to push
22:38
Speaker 4: Western Europe anyway even further into into irrelevance. I mean,
22:43
Speaker 4: I just don't here. We have our Asian allies working
22:47
Speaker 4: closely with us. We have our our aerob partners working
22:51
Speaker 4: closely with us in the Middle East. We're gaining more
22:54
Speaker 4: and more support in Latin and South America. The Eastern
22:57
Speaker 4: Europeans have a good relationship with us, and we have
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Speaker 4: the Western Europeans and the Islamic Republic in this fantasy
23:04
Speaker 4: world that they're still projecting influence. I may.
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Speaker 1: Have to ask you to say for a segment, but
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Speaker 1: let's get started on this. What about withdrawing from NATO.
23:16
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got Poland is doing their job, Finland
23:19
Speaker 1: is doing their job. Ukraine isn't in NATO, but they're
23:22
Speaker 1: doing their job. Bulgaria is doing their job, Sweden's doing
23:24
Speaker 1: their job. Everybody else is screwing with us.
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Speaker 2: Should we stay in there?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my gut is yeah. I mean, I
23:33
Speaker 4: think we're better in than out. And we do have
23:36
Speaker 4: a lot of good allies, including the two that have
23:39
Speaker 4: just joined Finland and Sweden in the last couple of years.
23:43
Speaker 4: They have real capabilities. Of our Eastern European friends do
23:48
Speaker 4: as well. So I would stay in, and I think
23:51
Speaker 4: the President's going to But I mean, I have to
23:54
Speaker 4: tell you it's very disappointing. I mean, I did not
23:57
Speaker 4: expect them to contribute military force. You, but they could
24:01
Speaker 4: have let us use their airspace, let us use the
24:04
Speaker 4: bases we build. And by the way, you the fact
24:08
Speaker 4: that they wouldn't let us use the bases, doesn't that
24:10
Speaker 4: tell us something about why we're concerned about Greenland? And
24:14
Speaker 4: everybody says, oh, we don't need sovereignty over Greenland because
24:18
Speaker 4: they'll let you use the military basis. Well, we thought
24:20
Speaker 4: the British would, we thought the Spanish would. I mean,
24:24
Speaker 4: it makes a little more transparent why the president's concerned
24:28
Speaker 4: about that. But you, I think.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that Denmark sent troops to Greenland anticipation
24:34
Speaker 1: of American landing there.
24:36
Speaker 2: Did you see that story? Yeah, it was like a
24:39
Speaker 2: like a platoon.
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Speaker 4: I mean you Ain Ram supposedly said something once I
24:45
Speaker 4: said it on the pod the other day, or as
24:48
Speaker 4: she wrote it. At some point she said, you can
24:50
Speaker 4: avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
24:55
Speaker 1: And by the way, your voice is much better, so
25:00
Speaker 1: him your allergy driven.
25:01
Speaker 2: That's what's wrong with my voice. It's allergy. I've got allergy.
25:05
Speaker 4: It was a cold and much as I admire our
25:08
Speaker 4: friend the General Lisimo all he suggested I do was
25:13
Speaker 4: take tea and honey, I'm.
25:14
Speaker 1: Sure you have a better at Oh yeah, I've got
25:18
Speaker 1: a regime for allergy meds. Don't go anywhere if I
25:20
Speaker 1: can keep you, Jim, I want to ask you about
25:22
Speaker 1: Five Eyes, because if we don't withdraw from NATO, maybe
25:26
Speaker 1: we ought to rethink Five Eyes. Because I'm not too
25:29
Speaker 1: I'm not very up on sharing info with the UK
25:32
Speaker 1: right now. Stay tuned, Welcome back in America. Senator Jim
25:38
Speaker 1: Talon hung around in a while with me because I
25:40
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about five Eyes. That's an E Y
25:43
Speaker 1: E ES. The Alliance of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada,
25:47
Speaker 1: New Zealand and Australia formed after World War Two to
25:50
Speaker 1: share intel and we've always had what we get, you get.
25:54
Speaker 2: What do you think about it now, Jim.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think you absent some concrete evidence that they're
26:04
Speaker 4: not reliable in keeping confidential the intelligence that we give them,
26:11
Speaker 4: and given the close relationship between the agencies themselves that
26:16
Speaker 4: have been cultivated over the decades, I wouldn't do anything
26:20
Speaker 4: with five Eyes. Remember, as you said, it includes the
26:23
Speaker 4: Offsees and the New Zealanders. They got a lot of
26:25
Speaker 4: good intelligence that we need in the Indo Pacific. It'd
26:29
Speaker 4: be a good question to ask Tom Cotton when he
26:31
Speaker 4: comes on next week though. I mean, I'd be really
26:34
Speaker 4: interested to hear what he has to say.
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Speaker 1: All right, I will do that now. My concern is
26:38
Speaker 1: that the UK has gone so far to the left.
26:42
Speaker 1: We didn't tell them we were going to do this war,
26:43
Speaker 1: and we didn't tell Australia.
26:45
Speaker 2: They're very anti Israel too.
26:47
Speaker 1: That government, not the Australian people, but that government was
26:50
Speaker 1: indifferent to the threats on Jews until the massacargy occurred
26:54
Speaker 1: at Bondi Beach. Do you really trust them? I have
26:58
Speaker 1: to wonder about some of the people in those cabinet meetings.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, you it's it's becoming increasingly difficult
27:06
Speaker 4: because of the domestic political imperatives that they're responding to.
27:11
Speaker 4: I mean, the vote there, the Islamic vote there makes
27:16
Speaker 4: it a big difference. And and Starmar is contesting with
27:21
Speaker 4: the Green Party and with with other parties for that vote.
27:24
Speaker 4: And you know, if if it looks like they're having
27:28
Speaker 4: to genuflect all the time in the direction of Islamic radicalism,
27:34
Speaker 4: then that's a problem. And the British know it. I
27:37
Speaker 4: think a lot of people in Britain know it, but
27:40
Speaker 4: it's you it's a you know, it's a it's of
27:43
Speaker 4: a piece with the concerns that that we have generally
27:47
Speaker 4: speaking about Western Europe. I mean, it's just with what
27:51
Speaker 4: they've done with their energy sector, with mass migration, with
27:54
Speaker 4: defence pending. It's it's like they don't want to have
27:59
Speaker 4: any real infla luce or any real power or anything
28:01
Speaker 4: they can bring to the table in the Alliance. And
28:03
Speaker 4: they need to stop being huffy and they need to
28:06
Speaker 4: start listening. The Germans are doing it, and as I said,
28:10
Speaker 4: the Eastern Europeans are doing it, but the Western Europeans
28:16
Speaker 4: it's it's a problem, all right.
28:18
Speaker 1: Last question, Jim, in your experience in the Senate, if
28:22
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice had decided upon retirement, would they
28:25
Speaker 1: have alerted the president by now.
28:30
Speaker 4: Mean retirement by the summer? Let's say, yeah, Yeah, I
28:33
Speaker 4: think they would. I think they would have sent some
28:35
Speaker 4: signals out, and I don't they would have made a
28:39
Speaker 4: definite Yeah, I don't think they'd have made a definite commitment.
28:44
Speaker 4: Although you know, of course, the White House and you
28:47
Speaker 4: served there, the White House Council's Office DOJ They're ready
28:52
Speaker 4: for that.
28:52
Speaker 2: At any time.
28:53
Speaker 4: They've got lists, they're betting them they'll be ready to go.
28:56
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking the President had been so confident and
28:59
Speaker 1: so relaxed about this war. I think he got someone
29:02
Speaker 1: in his back pocket by our radio friend Michael Wattley,
29:05
Speaker 1: former chairman of the Republican National Committee, soon to be
29:08
Speaker 1: the Senator from North Carolina. He's running for that job. Michael,
29:12
Speaker 1: welcome back. I got two things to cover with you. First,
29:15
Speaker 1: the state of the campaign, and second, the perception of
29:18
Speaker 1: the battle with Theyran in your state, North Carolina home
29:21
Speaker 1: the Fort Bragg of course, and many other cherry and
29:24
Speaker 1: many other places that matter a great deal. Let's start
29:26
Speaker 1: with the latter. What the North Carolinians think about the
29:29
Speaker 1: battle with they'reon.
29:31
Speaker 13: Look, the people of North Carolina solidly stand with the
29:34
Speaker 13: President when we talk about what is happening in Iran
29:37
Speaker 13: right now. The President has been very forceful since day one.
29:41
Speaker 13: Coran is not going to have the ability to deliver
29:45
Speaker 13: a nuclear payload. They're not going to have nuclear weapons,
29:48
Speaker 13: They're not going to have missile capacity to deliver a
29:51
Speaker 13: payload into Europe or the United States and they need
29:53
Speaker 13: to be stopped from being able to export terrorism. The
29:57
Speaker 13: American people strong to support that. The people from North
30:00
Speaker 13: Carolina strongly support that. As you said, we've got one
30:03
Speaker 13: hundred thousand men and women here in North Carolina at
30:06
Speaker 13: six different military bases. When we talk about protecting the
30:10
Speaker 13: American interests and allies around the world, North Carolina is
30:14
Speaker 13: the tip of the sphere, and this is an area
30:18
Speaker 13: where we strongly back our men and women in uniform.
30:22
Speaker 1: Now, Michael Whitley, you're running against a former governor down there.
30:26
Speaker 2: Has your opponent said anything about the war.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, what he said is it's absurd. That was the
30:32
Speaker 13: word that he used yesterday. I do not think that
30:35
Speaker 13: the efforts of our men and women in uniform based
30:38
Speaker 13: here in North Carolina and around the country are absurd
30:41
Speaker 13: in any way, shape or form. We need a nuclear
30:45
Speaker 13: free Iran. We need to make sure that Iran cannot
30:48
Speaker 13: deliver payloads, and we need to make sure that they're
30:50
Speaker 13: not exporting terrorism, whether it's in the Middle East or
30:53
Speaker 13: anywhere else around the world.
30:55
Speaker 1: Now, forgive my surprise, Roy Cooper said ed the war
31:01
Speaker 1: with Iran is absurd.
31:04
Speaker 13: That's what he said yesterday in a social media post.
31:07
Speaker 13: We were very dismayed that he would go in a
31:09
Speaker 13: direction like that.
31:11
Speaker 2: Holy smokes.
31:13
Speaker 1: I guess he doesn't want to be a center from
31:15
Speaker 1: North Carolina.
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Speaker 13: He certainly is not going to get the support of that.
31:19
Speaker 13: You know, we have seven hundred and twenty thousand veterans
31:21
Speaker 13: who called North Carolina home. We have more veterans than
31:23
Speaker 13: any other state in the country, and you know, our
31:27
Speaker 13: support for the military is very, very strong. I was
31:30
Speaker 13: honored to be asked to join President Trump when he
31:33
Speaker 13: came to Fort Bragg just a couple of weeks ago
31:36
Speaker 13: to thank our troops, to thank the men and women
31:39
Speaker 13: in the army, particularly when you think about the Delta
31:42
Speaker 13: Force team that went down and took out Maduro, the
31:45
Speaker 13: most dangerous man in the Western Hemisphere, was based in
31:49
Speaker 13: North Carolina. So we are the tip of the spear
31:51
Speaker 13: when it comes to protecting our interests and allies around
31:53
Speaker 13: the world.
31:54
Speaker 1: Not only do you have the active duty and the
31:56
Speaker 1: veteran community and their extended families and their brothers and
32:00
Speaker 1: sisters and uncles and aunts, etc. You've also got to
32:03
Speaker 1: have a lot of people with family in the fourteen
32:07
Speaker 1: countries attacked by Iran in the last five weeks. Of
32:10
Speaker 1: course Israel, but all of our golf allies, azerber Jan, Turkey.
32:14
Speaker 1: You've got to have a lot of people who have
32:15
Speaker 1: looked at Iran and seeing that they attacked the home country.
32:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, look and the fact is Iran is a bad actor.
32:24
Speaker 13: This regime. They are bad actors. They have been absolutely
32:28
Speaker 13: resolute in wanting to develop a nuclear weapon. When President
32:32
Speaker 13: Trump sent one bombing run over there last year, they
32:36
Speaker 13: did not get the message. We certainly hope that they're
32:38
Speaker 13: going to get the message this time around that as
32:41
Speaker 13: long as President Trump is in office, they are not
32:44
Speaker 13: going to develop a nuclear weapon and be able to
32:46
Speaker 13: deliver it either to the Middle East, Europe or the
32:50
Speaker 13: United States of America.
32:51
Speaker 1: Well, you know, sometimes, Chairman, lately, governors turned out to
32:54
Speaker 1: be terrible Senate candidates. That's happened often in our political
32:58
Speaker 1: past because they're used to people being deferential and to
33:02
Speaker 1: being able to rewrite history with the executive word. But
33:04
Speaker 1: you cannot erase absurd from that. That's pretty stunning. How
33:09
Speaker 1: goes the race, Let's start with your website so people
33:11
Speaker 1: can chip in, because it's going to be maybe the
33:14
Speaker 1: most expensive race in the United States. Maybe Susan Collins.
33:17
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not sure.
33:19
Speaker 13: Yeah, Well Michael Wadley dot com. They can follow me
33:22
Speaker 13: on x at Wattley NC. And the race is going
33:26
Speaker 13: extremely well. We had a very very strong showing in
33:29
Speaker 13: the primary, sixty five percent coming out of the primary
33:32
Speaker 13: and with seven different people in the race, and we
33:35
Speaker 13: have seen a good bounce in the polls since we
33:38
Speaker 13: came out of it. Look, this is going to be
33:40
Speaker 13: a long race. As you said, it's going to be
33:41
Speaker 13: an expensive race. But the people of North Carolina have
33:44
Speaker 13: a fundamental choice in front of them. Do they want
33:47
Speaker 13: an ally for President Trump? Do they want a conservative
33:50
Speaker 13: champion in the Senate who's going to fight for policies
33:53
Speaker 13: that will create jobs, not just more jobs, with better jobs,
33:56
Speaker 13: that are going to make sure people get to take
33:58
Speaker 13: home more money, that they get to keep more money
34:00
Speaker 13: with lower taxes, that we're going to have affordability. That
34:04
Speaker 13: is going to be something that we focus on. Or
34:07
Speaker 13: are we going to have somebody like Roy Cooper who's
34:09
Speaker 13: going to fight for tax cuts. This is a guy
34:11
Speaker 13: who delivered tax cuts as a legislator, he vetoed tax
34:14
Speaker 13: cuts as a governor. He said that he would have
34:16
Speaker 13: voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill. Had he been
34:19
Speaker 13: in the Senate when he announced that he was running
34:22
Speaker 13: for the Senate. Right when we talk about crime, we
34:24
Speaker 13: talk about keeping our kids in our community safe. I'm
34:27
Speaker 13: going to back the Blue and I'm going to support
34:29
Speaker 13: every effort to make sure that we have more cops
34:32
Speaker 13: on the streets and more criminals behind bars. Roy Cooper
34:35
Speaker 13: has fought harder for criminals and illegal aliens than he
34:37
Speaker 13: has his own constituents. So we've got a very big
34:41
Speaker 13: divide between me and Roy Cooper in this race. The
34:43
Speaker 13: people of North Carolina, they want a rebuilt economy, stronger economy.
34:48
Speaker 13: They want to see that we're going to have our
34:50
Speaker 13: borders strong and our community safe. And they want to
34:53
Speaker 13: make sure that they're backing the men and women in uniform,
34:56
Speaker 13: both here in North Carolina and around the world.
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Speaker 1: Michael Watley dot Com that w h A T L
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Speaker 1: e Y. Every contribution helps. I've got my favorite races.
35:06
Speaker 1: This is one we got to hold on to. If
35:08
Speaker 1: we win it, we'll hold on to the Senate now,
35:10
Speaker 1: Chairman Motley, there are a lot of people in America.
35:13
Speaker 1: Look up and they're not like you and me. They
35:15
Speaker 1: don't live and breathe politics. They look up and they think, well,
35:18
Speaker 1: they're moderate Democrats left, and then they think they're voting
35:21
Speaker 1: for a moderate Democrat and they go back and Chuck
35:23
Speaker 1: Schumer tell them what to.
35:24
Speaker 2: Do and they do it. I think that's Roy Cooper.
35:27
Speaker 1: Do the people of North Carolina figure out this is
35:29
Speaker 1: a caucus driven Senate. This is we get no judges
35:33
Speaker 1: if the Republicans lose control of it.
35:35
Speaker 2: None zero.
35:37
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a conversation that we're going to have with
35:39
Speaker 13: every single community across this great state. We've got one
35:42
Speaker 13: hundred counties. We're going to visit them all, from Wilmington
35:45
Speaker 13: to Watauga County and from Murphy Demanio. We're going to
35:48
Speaker 13: be hitting the trail from now through November third and
35:52
Speaker 13: having that conversation with them. You know, ultimately, this race
35:55
Speaker 13: comes down to a vote. It comes down to a
35:57
Speaker 13: vote and whether you're going to represent North Carolina values
36:01
Speaker 13: and fight for North Carolina first, or are you going
36:04
Speaker 13: to side with Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and really
36:07
Speaker 13: truly vote for San Francisco, Chicago and New York values.
36:11
Speaker 1: Now, I'm curious about the upcountry that got smashed by
36:15
Speaker 1: the storm. Have they forgotten that Joe Biden did nothing
36:19
Speaker 1: for them? Have they forgotten that Roy Cooper didn't help either?
36:22
Speaker 1: Or is that still fun of them?
36:23
Speaker 13: But I'm not forgotten. It is front of mine for them,
36:26
Speaker 13: and the fact that President Trump has delivered over eight
36:29
Speaker 13: point seventy five billion dollars worth of relief. It's the
36:32
Speaker 13: biggest federal relief and recovery effort in the history of
36:35
Speaker 13: North Carolina. We just got a new announcement today, another
36:40
Speaker 13: one hundred million dollars has been released, this time by
36:43
Speaker 13: Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen and the Department of Homeland Security.
36:47
Speaker 13: So we're going to continue to make sure that those
36:50
Speaker 13: resources get into western North Carolina. When I brought President
36:54
Speaker 13: Trump down to Swannanoah his first trip after he was
36:57
Speaker 13: elected president and sworn in, sickly said we are not
37:01
Speaker 13: going to forget western North Carolina. And he has always
37:04
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Speaker 1: Last question, Michael Watley, The news that gets national out
37:09
Speaker 1: of North Carolina is sometimes pretty bad because it concerns
37:12
Speaker 1: the Charlotte Metro transportation system and people being murdered on that.
37:16
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Speaker 1: Done anything about that, said anything about that pledged to
37:22
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Speaker 5: No.
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37:38
Speaker 13: violent criminals back on the streets again and again and again.
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37:45
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37:49
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37:52
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37:56
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37:58
Speaker 13: ended up murdering Rain as a roadska on the Charlotte
38:01
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38:04
Speaker 13: Cooper feels comfortable talking about. It's an issue that we're
38:07
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38:09
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38:11
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38:15
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38:18
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38:21
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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by Noah Rothman, senior writer for
40:56
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40:59
Speaker 1: been saying since the war began, I don't put much
41:02
Speaker 1: stock in presidential addresses anymore because when Richard Nixon gave
41:06
Speaker 1: the Great Silent Majority Speech, seventy seven million people watch.
41:09
Speaker 1: That was like three quarters of Americans with TV sets
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Speaker 1: turned on. That's not going to be the audience tonight.
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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, are you glad he's doing it?
41:18
Speaker 8: I'm glad he's doing it. I wish he had done
41:20
Speaker 8: it a lot sooner. I do think whether or not
41:22
Speaker 8: you're persuasive, I think the American people appreciate the solicitation
41:25
Speaker 8: of their support for a national project like this, especially
41:27
Speaker 8: when they're expected to bear financial burdens associated with it.
41:30
Speaker 8: I do think it matters even if it's not going
41:32
Speaker 8: to show up in the polls. And I agree it's
41:34
Speaker 8: not going to show up in the polls.
41:35
Speaker 2: But that's it.
41:36
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily know what he's going to say tonight,
41:38
Speaker 8: do you.
41:39
Speaker 2: We got a pretty wide leak here.
41:41
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good leak that says it's going
41:44
Speaker 1: to be a reiteration of everything he said about no navy,
41:46
Speaker 1: no air force, no ability to produce missiles, no nuclear program,
41:50
Speaker 1: no way to threaten US. And by the way, the
41:52
Speaker 1: straits are somebody else's problem. That's a Adam Krado usually
41:56
Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about.
41:58
Speaker 8: That's interesting, assistant with the statements that we saw put
42:03
Speaker 8: out by the Rapid Response account from the President's Twitter account. However,
42:07
Speaker 8: when it comes to the Hormuz thing, I'm a little
42:08
Speaker 8: curious about that because over the last seventy two hours
42:11
Speaker 8: we've had some conflicting statements from the President and his subordinates. Initially,
42:14
Speaker 8: it was Hormuz isn't our problem, everybody else uses it,
42:17
Speaker 8: and the president, as I wrote for The Morning Jolt
42:20
Speaker 8: on Tuesday, the President is right to expect the straight
42:23
Speaker 8: of Hormu's toll booth strategy to collapse of its own
42:25
Speaker 8: weight in relatively short order. However, we've had a lot
42:29
Speaker 8: of statements from the President and his subordinates today that
42:32
Speaker 8: indicate that the Straight of Hormuz is not everybody else's problem.
42:35
Speaker 8: He says that the war will not be over without
42:37
Speaker 8: some demonstration, a proof of concept that free navigation has
42:40
Speaker 8: been restored to this strait, and even said today that
42:44
Speaker 8: he's issuing an ultimatum to the Iranian government. Open up
42:47
Speaker 8: the straight of hormones and you get a cease fire.
42:49
Speaker 8: Otherwise it's fire and fury. So very conflicting statements from
42:53
Speaker 8: the President today, and I really don't know what to expect.
42:56
Speaker 2: It would be very trumpy.
42:57
Speaker 1: And if at the beginning of this speech he said
42:59
Speaker 1: we are not I know, but that's straight to horor
43:01
Speaker 1: moves or not our problem.
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Speaker 14: At the end of the speech, deliver the ultimatum because okay,
43:06
Speaker 14: so if nothing else, it's a master class in completely
43:10
Speaker 14: discombobulating your enemy's understanding of your thinking.
43:14
Speaker 8: Could be could be or it could be a reflection
43:18
Speaker 8: of the worst moment of a president presidential performance in
43:21
Speaker 8: my living memory September tenth, twenty thirteen, and addressed by
43:26
Speaker 8: Barack Obama in prime time, in which he stipulated all
43:30
Speaker 8: the reasons why we should go to war against Syria's
43:33
Speaker 8: Bashar al Asad and then at the end of the
43:35
Speaker 8: speech said, but we're not going to do that, Russia,
43:37
Speaker 8: What save my bacon. They're going to come in and
43:38
Speaker 8: get chemical weapons out, which they didn't do. With the
43:41
Speaker 8: most confused speech that I've ever recall hearing, and I
43:45
Speaker 8: think the American people are still a little confused about
43:47
Speaker 8: what the objectives are. We're not you, and I aren't.
43:50
Speaker 8: We hear it very plainly, but the American people don't
43:53
Speaker 8: seem to be similarly on board with what we understand
43:56
Speaker 8: the objectives of this war to be the decimation of
43:58
Speaker 8: Iran's capacity to protector ouside its borders.
44:01
Speaker 1: And I try and clarify it for people, and I'll
44:03
Speaker 1: ask you, is America and is the world better off
44:06
Speaker 1: than they were five weeks ago?
44:07
Speaker 8: If so, why now immeasurably, immeasurably more secure? Why because
44:13
Speaker 8: the Uranian regime, Even if the Uranian regime survives, and
44:16
Speaker 8: that's still a very open question, it's had its defense
44:19
Speaker 8: industrial base eliminated, the capacity to restore the missiles that
44:24
Speaker 8: it's firing off, severely truncated, its links to its terrorist
44:28
Speaker 8: proxies severed, even those that are still very operational, like
44:33
Speaker 8: the Hoho Thies are firing off calibrated single missile barrages
44:38
Speaker 8: to satisfy a fractured leadership and to signal recognition that
44:42
Speaker 8: it knows its missile stores are not going to be
44:44
Speaker 8: restored anytime soon. The Iranian Navy has been decimated, the
44:48
Speaker 8: air force ceases to exist. Its nuclear program is going
44:50
Speaker 8: to be very hard to reassemble. Does have possession of
44:53
Speaker 8: this enriched uranium. But tell me how they're going to
44:55
Speaker 8: build the cascading centrifuge array. They need to get it
44:58
Speaker 8: to a weapons grade capacity. I don't see how that happens. Plus,
45:01
Speaker 8: we've struck their yellow cake production facilities. They are heavy
45:04
Speaker 8: water production facilities. We can't rebuild that anytime soon, and
45:08
Speaker 8: you can literally see it from space if they did.
45:11
Speaker 8: And then lastly, we've begun to hit, and these Raelis
45:13
Speaker 8: have begun to hit. Beyond the regime, the apparatus of
45:16
Speaker 8: the terror regime that Iran uses to suppress its own people,
45:19
Speaker 8: which is also collapsing around them, we begin to strike
45:23
Speaker 8: the heavy industry inside Iran, including its steel production. Steel
45:27
Speaker 8: production is one of its primary exports, and the RGC,
45:30
Speaker 8: which has its claws into every aspect of the economy.
45:34
Speaker 8: Some factions control this industry, some factions control that industry.
45:38
Speaker 8: So while the oil industry is filled relatively intact, the
45:40
Speaker 8: steel industry has collapsed, and all the factions that depended
45:43
Speaker 8: on the revenue from that to feather their own nests,
45:46
Speaker 8: to support their own patronage networks, those are gone. So
45:49
Speaker 8: now you're increasing the friction within the administration, within the
45:52
Speaker 8: regime rather, and that friction is becoming quite visible to us.
45:55
Speaker 8: We were finally beginning to see it leak out into
45:57
Speaker 8: the open in ways that we hadn't at the outo
46:00
Speaker 8: of this campaign, which we should remind everybody is four
46:02
Speaker 8: weeks old. There's still probably a little bit of fighting
46:05
Speaker 8: to do left, but not all that much. And then
46:08
Speaker 8: we proceed to the last stage of this campaign, which
46:10
Speaker 8: I've said for a long time was going to look
46:12
Speaker 8: less like an unambiguous victory than we'd probably like, because
46:15
Speaker 8: it means settling with whatever representative we can find it
46:19
Speaker 8: was a plausible claim to represent this regime, at which
46:22
Speaker 8: point we then transition to the phase in which we
46:25
Speaker 8: try to inspire insurrectionary rebellion inside the state.
46:29
Speaker 1: So Noah ranking the military side only with zero being
46:34
Speaker 1: Desert one, the Iranian hostage rescue that was a disaster
46:38
Speaker 1: that actually rebirthed special forces so that they're so lethal now,
46:42
Speaker 1: and attend being the Maduro grab.
46:45
Speaker 2: Where does this rank in your view?
46:49
Speaker 8: Well, I would rank it extremely high. It's the most
46:52
Speaker 8: impressive military campaign that I've ever seen from with my
46:56
Speaker 8: limit advantage. I'm an amateur student of this sort of thing. Nevertheless,
47:01
Speaker 8: it's extraordinarily tactically effective. I think the only demerit you
47:05
Speaker 8: can say is the extent to which the theoretical it's
47:08
Speaker 8: not even a it's not even a kinetic threat to
47:11
Speaker 8: those straight of hormones, the theoretical straight to the threat
47:13
Speaker 8: to the strait of hormuves.
47:14
Speaker 2: Not entirely.
47:15
Speaker 8: They fire off rockets at ships, They hit ships on occasion,
47:18
Speaker 8: limited damage that they do, but nevertheless enough to prove
47:21
Speaker 8: the concept that they can reach out and touch tankers
47:24
Speaker 8: and other assets that transit the hormones straight. But the
47:27
Speaker 8: fact that that persists and it's having such a negative
47:30
Speaker 8: impact on the economy and thus an impact on thinking
47:33
Speaker 8: inside Western capitals, you can see it that has been
47:37
Speaker 8: a strategic de merit. But that's about the only one.
47:39
Speaker 8: So if ahead of assign that number two, I give
47:41
Speaker 8: it up.
47:41
Speaker 1: I know you would normally say that thirteen casualties if
47:44
Speaker 1: we thought about it, there are thirteen families who do
47:47
Speaker 1: not have anyone coming home from this core. And that's
47:49
Speaker 1: of course, of course a cost. But so I put
47:53
Speaker 1: it about at nine point five. And when you add
47:55
Speaker 1: the interoperability with Israel, which is I mean, if you're
47:59
Speaker 1: gonna have one ally on your side in this world,
48:01
Speaker 1: you want Israel. Now it's China versus US. It's really
48:05
Speaker 1: China versus US and Israel I hope, I think, what
48:07
Speaker 1: do you think?
48:09
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would imagine. I don't think. I'm not sure
48:11
Speaker 8: if Israel has capabilities that can reach outside its region.
48:15
Speaker 8: It probably does, but at a very limited scale. The
48:17
Speaker 8: United States is the hyperpower. It can project power to
48:20
Speaker 8: the other side of the globe in a sustained way
48:22
Speaker 8: that no other nation on the planet Earth can do.
48:24
Speaker 8: But between the two of us, we also have a
48:26
Speaker 8: demonstrated capability now throughout this campaign, which is new, sort
48:31
Speaker 8: of new in the history of warfare, to execute really
48:34
Speaker 8: precision strikes on individual leadership targets, and not just decapitation strikes,
48:38
Speaker 8: but to decimate the entire command and control system, all
48:42
Speaker 8: the people who have their levers on the buttons everywhere,
48:44
Speaker 8: when they're sleeping, where they're eating, where they're walking their dog.
48:47
Speaker 8: That's a kind of intelligence penetration that only Israel can provide.
48:51
Speaker 8: And though they're capable of executing those sort of strikes,
48:54
Speaker 8: they couldn't do that with the kind of efficacy that
48:56
Speaker 8: they've been doing it unless we were coming alongside them
48:59
Speaker 8: with very heavy order and disrupting RAN's capacity to strike
49:03
Speaker 8: back in a coordinate it and strategically coherent way. That's
49:06
Speaker 8: the thing about these leadership strikes is that they've just
49:08
Speaker 8: limited Yeah, sure there's decentralization on the battlefield, but they've
49:12
Speaker 8: just limited the ability of these commanders to communicate with
49:15
Speaker 8: one another and coordinate their strikes in ways that would
49:18
Speaker 8: really hurt their targets, as they did in twenty nineteen
49:21
Speaker 8: when they structed out a Rabi as a ram COPD.
49:24
Speaker 1: There's clearly the Jedi of the Middle East, and we
49:27
Speaker 1: have they're on our side in this campaign. When I
49:29
Speaker 1: come back with Noah, what are the naysayers going to
49:32
Speaker 1: have to say? Because they can't say, Geeze, that was remarkable.
49:36
Speaker 1: Noah Rothman, same.
49:37
Speaker 2: Where there's from anywhere America. Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewett.
49:44
Speaker 1: Noah Rosman has got the hardest job in the world.
49:47
Speaker 1: He's got to write a statement for Wendy Sherman and
49:50
Speaker 1: John Kerry and Ben Rhoades and Barack Obama and Joe
49:54
Speaker 1: Biden and Jake Solomon and Tony Blinken about why this
49:58
Speaker 1: isn't the magnificent VI for the world that it is.
50:01
Speaker 2: What are they going to say?
50:02
Speaker 8: Noah, Well, listen, we could channel the candidate in Michigan's
50:09
Speaker 8: Democratic Senate primary, who, according to the Free Beacons reporting,
50:12
Speaker 8: was hemming and hawing over how sad Dearborn Michigan was
50:16
Speaker 8: over the death of Iotola Kameni. So you could say, well, yeah,
50:20
Speaker 8: I mean military tactics being deployed, says some strategic end
50:25
Speaker 8: we don't even know. But I can interrupt to get
50:27
Speaker 8: Epstein out of the headlines.
50:29
Speaker 2: Dearborn is Arab American.
50:32
Speaker 1: The Iranian regime fired at Arabs and they're destroying Lebanon.
50:37
Speaker 1: So I'm not even sure he's right about Dearborn Michigan,
50:39
Speaker 1: but keep going, what are the jac.
50:43
Speaker 8: Yeah he may not be right about that, but there
50:46
Speaker 8: does seem to be a level of sentiment in the
50:48
Speaker 8: politically active elements of that community, if not.
50:51
Speaker 12: The average citizenry.
50:52
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
50:52
Speaker 8: I think the average citizenry are proud to be American.
50:55
Speaker 8: Some of them, especially the loudest voices among them, as
50:57
Speaker 8: represented for example by the Ilhan Omar, seem very eager
51:01
Speaker 8: to support whatever anti American terrorists there is who's active
51:04
Speaker 8: and frustrating American interests in killing Americans. But if you
51:08
Speaker 8: were to go to AOC for example, who yesterday established
51:12
Speaker 8: a new president for herself at the Democratic Socialists of
51:15
Speaker 8: America conference, where she said that I oppose even the
51:18
Speaker 8: support of Israel in defensive arms, even providing for example,
51:23
Speaker 8: for the drones or rather for the Iron Dome, the
51:26
Speaker 8: interceptors which limit Israeli casualties from our shared adversaries, has Bela,
51:31
Speaker 8: Hamas and Iran. And you'd have to say, I mean,
51:35
Speaker 8: if I were to draft a statement as you ask
51:37
Speaker 8: for these moderate Democrats, I would run a foul of
51:39
Speaker 8: the progressives, because the progressives don't want even the moderate,
51:43
Speaker 8: modest concession that maybe this is tactically flawed, maybe there's
51:48
Speaker 8: no strategy. Maybe Donald Trump was and doesn't know what
51:49
Speaker 8: he's doing. Maybe he's just trying to distract from Epstein
51:52
Speaker 8: all the stuff they're saying. But they don't want to
51:53
Speaker 8: say that the progressive left. They don't want to say
51:55
Speaker 8: that shore maybe Iran's our enemy. They don't want to
51:59
Speaker 8: say that the side.
52:03
Speaker 1: Do you think it gets into the water of American
52:06
Speaker 1: politics that the Democrats are anti defending the United States?
52:10
Speaker 2: They really are.
52:11
Speaker 1: They do not want to defend the United States. Do
52:13
Speaker 1: you think it gets into the water table of American politics?
52:17
Speaker 8: If Republicans have a competent comms shop, and I hope
52:20
Speaker 8: they do, because this is politics one oh one. If
52:23
Speaker 8: you do not make this AOC comment in which he's
52:27
Speaker 8: basically saying that she wants more dead Israelis by our
52:29
Speaker 8: shared adversary's hand. If you don't make that something that
52:34
Speaker 8: everybody can repeat by memory, a phrase that is drilled
52:38
Speaker 8: into their heads in November, then I don't know why
52:40
Speaker 8: you're in politics. This is such a gimme. And yeah,
52:43
Speaker 8: you have to tag this party with her comment and
52:46
Speaker 8: the DSA's opposition to this war against a terrorist foe
52:50
Speaker 8: that has killed hundreds of Americans and tries to kill
52:53
Speaker 8: Americans every waking hour of the day. Yeah, you should
52:56
Speaker 8: make that the message in November, because the president's legacy
52:59
Speaker 8: is tied up with the Iran war.
53:01
Speaker 2: Oh right, in the last pressure of Noah got there.
53:04
Speaker 8: The Western hemisphere.
53:05
Speaker 1: There's no way to say it's over. There are three
53:07
Speaker 1: more weeks probably left in this campaign. Bad things could
53:10
Speaker 1: happen in three more weeks. But I do not believe
53:13
Speaker 1: this regime will be with us by the time Donald
53:15
Speaker 1: Trump believes. By that, I mean I think the Iranian
53:18
Speaker 1: people are going to rise up again and there aren't
53:19
Speaker 1: enough There's not enough will to kill them, and maybe
53:21
Speaker 1: Israel well involved.
53:23
Speaker 2: Do you think it lasts longer than Donald Trump?
53:27
Speaker 8: I just certainly couldn't say. I hope it does, and
53:29
Speaker 8: I think the conditions are there for it to collapse.
53:32
Speaker 8: We're right, we should with metronomic regularity twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
53:36
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty two, twenty five, twenty six. This
53:39
Speaker 8: regime faces escalating protests from arrestive citizenry, and when it
53:42
Speaker 8: happens again, they will be confronted by a regime without
53:45
Speaker 8: the apparatus of a terrorist state. That bodes well for
53:49
Speaker 8: our interests and not very well for the Iranian regime's interests. Likewise,
53:53
Speaker 8: if they were to do this toll booth strategy for
53:55
Speaker 8: a very long time, they they'd create a coalition that
53:57
Speaker 8: would crush the regime. It's on borrowed time. It's a
54:00
Speaker 8: wounded soldier crawling towards safety.
54:02
Speaker 2: They're bleeding.
54:02
Speaker 8: They have been resilient in the past.
54:04
Speaker 2: They have no money at all, and the real.
54:08
Speaker 8: Is trading I think at one point three million dollars
54:11
Speaker 8: to the one to the real or one point three
54:14
Speaker 8: to one dollar.
54:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the other way. So it's just they
54:17
Speaker 2: can't there's.
54:19
Speaker 8: Just no currency left, so they don't have any assets.
54:23
Speaker 1: Only oil that comes out one tanker at a time,
54:26
Speaker 1: and that money has to come back one minute.
54:28
Speaker 4: You know.
54:29
Speaker 1: Uh, what's that paragraph in the history books kind of
54:32
Speaker 1: saying fifty years their Nixon's being written right now? What
54:35
Speaker 1: did they say about Trump?
54:37
Speaker 2: Jeez?
54:38
Speaker 8: If the Iranian regime collapses, I mean, there's a lot
54:41
Speaker 8: of things you could say if the Iranian regime collapses,
54:45
Speaker 8: if the Venezuelan regime implodes, if Cuba implodes, you know,
54:48
Speaker 8: there could be a you could be talking about a
54:51
Speaker 8: George HW. Bushy and legacy, which is as you get
54:55
Speaker 8: farther and farther away from it, the better and better
54:57
Speaker 8: it looks.
54:58
Speaker 2: So who knows.
54:59
Speaker 8: I don't know, but this is certainly a legacy making
55:02
Speaker 8: moment for this presidency and he'd better see it through
55:05
Speaker 8: to the end because the history books are being written as.
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