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Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts, I don't,
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Speaker 2: Todd Brown and Conye mixed.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown,
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Speaker 1: I'm Connor mcspaden. We're gonna blow your goddamn minds today.
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Speaker 3: This is a good one.
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Speaker 1: This is a crazy, crazy story that I had never
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Speaker 1: despite how much I've looked into Vladimir Putin. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: never really looked into how he came to power. And this, boy,
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Speaker 1: is it terrifying.
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Speaker 4: This is like when you click one of those things
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Speaker 4: where it's like ten things you never knew about the
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Speaker 4: original Star Wars and you're like, I bet I know
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Speaker 4: all these things, and you're like, what Kenny Baker was
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Speaker 4: a heroin Addict or whatever the fuck it is. You're
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Speaker 4: just like, Wow, I didn't I This one's actually pretty juicy,
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Speaker 4: and I think you may be surprised to learn it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this this what we're talking about today. Everything you
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Speaker 1: hear about Putin murdering journalists, all of that shit is
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Speaker 1: mostly tied to this. It's pretty fucking crazy. Me and
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Speaker 1: Connor will probably be murdered in.
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Speaker 3: This one has like oh how cool would that be?
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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, I still I still fantasize about going public
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Speaker 1: with what me and Vanessa Grittin heard about Shook Knight once.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, and you've never disclosed it. No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: you have to tell you.
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Speaker 3: You don't tell me that.
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Speaker 4: At the beginning of the episode, I'm gonna be tortured
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Speaker 4: this entire Connor seems so distant.
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Speaker 3: I was just yeah, I was just like, oh, is it?
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Speaker 2: I thought I already told you.
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Speaker 3: Maybe you did.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you again, after all, right, we will. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I will not put I don't want to make you
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Speaker 2: edit it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't even want to say it now and
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Speaker 3: forget to cut it out.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to edit his name out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: Think people know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows. But we're talking about the Russian apartment bombings,
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Speaker 1: which is basically Russia's nine to eleven. I didn't realize, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but it happened in September. It's just barely avoided happening
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Speaker 1: on September eleventh.
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Speaker 4: It's one of these things where it's like you you
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Speaker 4: just just by virtue of the fact that they don't
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Speaker 4: happen in your country and you don't have your own
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Speaker 4: like kind of civic like pride and feelings tired like
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Speaker 4: there was there's just been a lot of terrorism that
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Speaker 4: you probably just didn't really know about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's it was.
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Speaker 4: Like not a new idea I thought, you know, being
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Speaker 4: a kid or like, you know, even teager, just like yeah,
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Speaker 4: that was like, you know, there's probably other couple like
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Speaker 4: little you know, suicide backpacks or whatever, but nine to eleven.
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Speaker 4: That was the invention of terrorism in my mind, you know,
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Speaker 4: And it was like, oh, this shit has been around forever.
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Speaker 1: And this was nineteen ninety nine at a point when
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Speaker 1: we were still like, hey, Russia is our friend now yeah, yea, yeah,
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Speaker 1: had nothing to worry about.
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Speaker 3: And then fucking what's his name squashed the beef.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Boris Yeltsin, just Boris Yeltson that stumbling around the
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Speaker 1: world stage like a lovable drunk.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But as it turned breaking an old spothead
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Speaker 3: made some proper.
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Speaker 1: Boris Yeltsen was, Uh what I didn't I didn't realize
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Speaker 1: how corrupt Boris Elson was, Yeah, because.
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Speaker 4: He was a there's all this drama with his cabinet
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Speaker 4: and it was just kind of like a thing almost
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Speaker 4: like the the Teapot Dome scandal, where this dude just
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Speaker 4: had a bunch of fucking dummies and crooks in there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: And it that all ties into the Russian apartment bombings, yes,
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Speaker 1: which if you've never heard of them, it was a
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Speaker 1: series of explosions that hit four different apartment blocks in
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Speaker 1: the Russian cities of Boss.
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Speaker 3: Moscow, which is apparent I think a Klingon embassy.
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Speaker 1: Exact and Volgodonksk in September nineteen nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Against sounds like an alien word for a big butt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That's always my least favorite thing about a Russia episode
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Speaker 1: of anything. It's like, oh, here come these fucking names.
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Speaker 4: My fucking my, my fat American mouth is not in
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Speaker 4: the proper shape to hit all these consonants.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred and ninety three people were killed in more
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Speaker 1: than a thousand injured.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot numbers on the board. Yeah, that is
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Speaker 3: putting up some numbers.
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Speaker 1: The bombs hit Buyanosk on September fourth, Moscow on the
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Speaker 1: ninth and thirteenth, and Volgadonksk on September sixteenth.
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Speaker 3: It was a whole whole bombing week.
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Speaker 2: It was a campaign.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then there was a fifth device that was similar
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Speaker 1: to those used in the first four bombings, that was
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Speaker 1: found and defused in an apartment block in the city
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Speaker 1: of Riaison on September twenty second. Yes, and that is
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Speaker 1: where the controversy starts. For one thing diffused as a
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Speaker 1: very important word.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a situation where they're like, all right,
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Speaker 4: maybe four was enough. Maybe we could have gotten this
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Speaker 4: shit done with one and a half or two.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we pushed it. Yeah, And the.
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Speaker 1: Bombings did stop after that fifth one. There were no more.
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Speaker 1: The next day, Putin went on television and praised the
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Speaker 1: inhabitants of Riaizon for their vigilance, then went on national
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Speaker 1: television again to tell the country that the Chechens were
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Speaker 1: responsible for the bombings and that bombings in Chechnia would
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Speaker 1: commence shortly and they did. This was basically the start
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Speaker 1: of the Second Chechen War, and this is basically the
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Speaker 1: incident that got Putin elected president.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was just kind of like a lifelong civil
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Speaker 3: servant character.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. They describe him.
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Speaker 1: There's a really good documentary about this called Blowing Up
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Speaker 1: Russia that you can find on YouTube, and they describe
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Speaker 1: him at that point in history as a faceless statesman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And he had very little chance of winning the upcoming election,
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Speaker 1: but he was very closely tied to the Yeltsin administration,
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Speaker 1: and Yeltsin as opposed to letting the opposition party take
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Speaker 1: power and maybe arrest him or try him for his crimes,
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Speaker 1: he would much rather prefer Putin get elected.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that.
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Speaker 1: Forms basically the genesis of the Russian apartment bombing scandal.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 4: It does seem like with Russian even Putin doing this himself,
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Speaker 4: where he had a dmitriy Medvedev. Yeah, and for a
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Speaker 4: minute before he came back. It's just like in Russia,
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Speaker 4: it seems like when you're when you're in power, you're like, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, shit's getting hot.
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Speaker 4: I gotta slide in a fucking a cardboard cutout that
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Speaker 4: I'm going to talk behind, you know, and until shit
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Speaker 4: cool down.
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Speaker 3: And then this time it seems like the cutout went row.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the cutout went.
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Speaker 4: Underestimated this guy. You thought he was just this kind
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Speaker 4: of boring ass just by the book John.
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Speaker 3: Kerry of Russia.
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Speaker 4: But he had his whole other agenda and you know,
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Speaker 4: as as we've seen, just a lot of plans.
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Speaker 1: Before they made him prime Minister, which happened not before
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Speaker 1: he not long before he was elected president. He actually
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Speaker 1: ran the FSB, which stands for where is it? Federal
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Speaker 1: Security Service? Obviously, Yeah, he ran that's basically the successor
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Speaker 1: of the KGB. It's the new KGB basically, and he
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Speaker 1: ran that for about a year before they made him
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister. And the FSB very much ties into the
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Speaker 1: Russian apartment bombings.
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Speaker 2: So the kind of.
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Speaker 1: The broad picture of this theory is that Putin planned
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Speaker 1: and helped executre at least planned and ordered the bombings
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Speaker 1: of these Russian apartment buildings and blamed it on Chechnia
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Speaker 1: as a pretense for going to war with Chechnia and
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Speaker 1: bolstering his status and prestige among voters. Yeah, and thus
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Speaker 1: getting elected to the presidency.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: And it's like almost like this like speech where he
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Speaker 4: praises their vigilance after they defuse that fight. But that's
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Speaker 4: almost like his like eight mile verse where he's just
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Speaker 4: been working on this ship for years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a big moment, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you watch that documentary, they show they have
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Speaker 1: clips of him like walking in to give that he's
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Speaker 1: got a really weird walk where only one does yeah,
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Speaker 1: only one arm moves. It's very he's like walks like
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know I noticed that, but
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Speaker 4: that does make sense. But it's almost one of these things.
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Speaker 4: It's like you see him and you're like, oh, like
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Speaker 4: it almost creeps you out. It makes you sort of
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Speaker 4: skeptical when you read about this shit, because you're like,
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Speaker 4: is this person just rising to the moment and uniting.
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Speaker 3: A country after this happens?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 4: Or was or was William Winston Churchill just like all right,
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Speaker 4: blood deeal toils and towards sweat and that'll be great
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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna fucking found my podium here and then
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Speaker 4: it'll look like real. And it's like, ohh, I thought
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Speaker 4: you were just like someone rising to greatness and in
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Speaker 4: light of this horrible tragedy.
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Speaker 3: But this was all cooked up in a lab.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: This was like you did with like terrorism and the
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Speaker 4: legislation and military action, what music producers did with Kesha
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Speaker 4: to just all right, it's gonna be I don't know,
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Speaker 4: it's gotta be Rebecca Black, the songs about Friday, Like
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Speaker 4: it's all kind of like manufactured and yeah, yeah, cooked up.
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Speaker 3: It's weird.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, his and it worked like he he was elected.
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Speaker 1: He his popularity shot up. Same thing that happened with
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Speaker 1: Bush after nine to eleven, his approval ratings were through
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Speaker 1: the roof. You know, he gave the worst fucking speech
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Speaker 1: ever after nine to eleven happened.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it was good enough.
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Speaker 4: And that book I read about in the color of
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Speaker 4: the awful Oval speech right after it happened. And there's
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Speaker 4: a funny ass line from Bush when they're interviewing me
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Speaker 4: is leaving office and they're like what's it like being
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Speaker 4: the least popular president in history, and he's like, I
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Speaker 4: was also the most popular president, but no.
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Speaker 3: One ever asked me about that, which is a good line.
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Speaker 2: That is a great line.
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Speaker 1: The official Russian investigation into the bombings was completed in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and two and concluded that all the bombings
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Speaker 1: were organized and led by a kamez Gochayev who remains
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Speaker 1: at large and was ordered by Islamist warlords being al
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Speaker 1: Katab and Abu Omar al Saif, who have both been killed,
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Speaker 1: of course, and five other suspects have been killed and
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Speaker 1: six have been convicted by Russian courts on terrorism related charges.
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Speaker 1: So in that way, it seems like a very cut
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Speaker 1: and dry thing, which we talked about this beforehand. If
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Speaker 1: you're living in Russia, you probably want to believe the
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Speaker 1: official explanation of this, oh of course.
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Speaker 4: And it's just like, yeah, if you're ling to be
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Speaker 4: Johnson and you're just like, yeah, the Warrant Commission, I
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Speaker 4: don't know, just say that this was just one guy. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: but we can't fucking deal with this on top of
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Speaker 4: everything else.
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Speaker 1: But the Ryazan incident was I didn't realize how free
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Speaker 1: Russia was under Yeltsin because there were a lot of
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Speaker 1: questions around the Ryazan bombing, to the point that one
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Speaker 1: of the most fascinating things in that documentary to me
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Speaker 1: are all the clips from that, Like it looks like
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Speaker 1: the set of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, but
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Speaker 1: it's all the residents of the Ryazan apartment complex basically
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Speaker 1: arguing with FSB agents about the circumstances of this bombing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah on television, Wow, this is what a fucking forward
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Speaker 4: thinking of it to put on your airwaves.
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Speaker 3: Russia, good for you.
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Speaker 1: And then they do bring up at one point in
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Speaker 1: the documentary that this was all happening when Russia was
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Speaker 1: a much more free place, and once Putin took over,
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Speaker 1: he cracked down on that shit really hard. So what
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Speaker 1: you see in that documentary would not happen in Russia today,
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Speaker 1: But it's fascinating. They there are a lot of really
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Speaker 1: good questions about the bombing at Ryazan that was thwarted,
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Speaker 1: and it the part that so we'll go through the
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Speaker 1: Ryazan incident. Yeah, basically, this is the sequence of events.
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Speaker 1: At around eight thirty pm on September twenty second, a
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Speaker 1: resident in a nearby apartment building noticed two suspicious men
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Speaker 1: accompanied by an also shady looking woman carrying carrying three
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Speaker 1: large sacks into the basement of another building from a
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Speaker 1: car with a Moscow license plate. And even that part's
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Speaker 1: really interesting. They bring up in the documentary that yes,
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Speaker 1: the front license plate had numbers indicating it was from Moscow,
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Speaker 1: but then the back license plate had a piece of
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Speaker 1: paper taped over it to make it seem like it
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Speaker 1: was a car from Ryazan, which that comes up in
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Speaker 1: that documentary. This guy alerts police, but by the time
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Speaker 1: the police arrived, these suspects were gone. The police go
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Speaker 1: down into the basement, they find three sacks of white
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Speaker 1: powder in the basement, each weighing around one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten pounds. There's a detonator and timer attached to the bags,
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Speaker 1: and the timer is set for five thirty in the morning,
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Speaker 1: which that part is especially awful because you know that definitely,
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Speaker 1: and just the fact that they're setting it for a
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Speaker 1: time when most people are going to be home.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh shit, so everyone's gonna be home and mar
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Speaker 4: terrorism in bed maximize casualties.
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Speaker 1: That's a really insidious detail. And Yuri, here we go
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Speaker 1: Yurikachenko that I'm sure I don't pronounce that tea.
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Speaker 2: It's immediately followed.
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Speaker 3: This is why we never hear about these stories in
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Speaker 3: the West.
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Speaker 4: We're just like, Hey, don't fucking know your looney tune
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Speaker 4: ass names.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I'm glad you're dead. Like everybody, you just give up.
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Speaker 1: So Yuri was the head of the local bomb squad.
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Speaker 1: He diffused the bomb and tested the sacks. Hey, they
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Speaker 1: tested positive for traces of r d X, who you
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Speaker 1: might remember from the Chronic album. Yeah, obviously, and it's
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Speaker 1: also a military explosive used in all the previous bombings.
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Speaker 2: So at that point all the bombings are.
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Speaker 4: Linked, and Abu Baker all funk Master Flex had pledged
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Speaker 4: to drive a bomb on them.
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Speaker 1: And it's at this point that Putin thanks the town
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Speaker 1: for a job well done. His quote was, if the sacks,
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Speaker 1: which proved to contain explosives were noticed, that means there
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Speaker 1: is a positive side to it, if only the fact
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Speaker 1: that the public is reacting correctly to the events taking
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Speaker 1: place in our country today. I'd like to thank the public.
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Speaker 1: No panic, no sympathy for the bandits. So that's basically
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Speaker 1: Putin saying good job diffusing that bomb.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you see someone say something, and the.
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Speaker 1: Fact that he recognizes it as a bomb that was
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Speaker 1: diffused is very important. Later that evening, which fucking welcome
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Speaker 1: to Russia. With this part, a telephone service employee in
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Speaker 1: Raaizon just tapped into a long distance phone call kind
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Speaker 1: of at will and overheard three out of towners talking
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Speaker 1: about how they needed to split up and make their
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Speaker 1: own way out of town, and with this bombing just
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Speaker 1: being thwarted, obviously that's cause for concern.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, oh, I should report this, So.
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Speaker 1: He notifies authorities, and the number is traced to a
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Speaker 1: telephone exchange unit serving the FSB offices. So that's that's weird.
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Speaker 1: And they the authorities in Riyazon eventually track these three
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Speaker 1: people down and when they arrest them, they all produce
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Speaker 1: FSB identification cards. So basically the people who planted these
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Speaker 1: bombs were FSB agents, and Moscow eventually steps in and says, no,
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Speaker 1: you have to let them go. Yeah, and that's basically
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Speaker 1: the end. The last we hear of those three and
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Speaker 1: on September twenty fourth, FSB director Nikolai Patrushev announced that
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Speaker 1: the exercise was carried out to test responses after the
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Speaker 1: earlier blasts, and that becomes basically the official explanation for
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Speaker 1: what happened in ries.
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Speaker 4: We're just trying to make sure you guys are paying attention.
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Speaker 4: We can't stop all this terrorism alone. Were run drills.
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Speaker 4: It's just a drill.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, covert operations happen without the knowledge
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Speaker 1: of the public. Drills don't like drills. Russia is very
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Speaker 1: open about when they run drills. We sometimes worry about
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Speaker 1: them turning into actual wars, like that's a very common thing.
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Speaker 1: And Russia, as lawless as it is, at least at
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Speaker 1: this time.
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Speaker 2: You couldn't do that.
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Speaker 1: You couldn't have a drill involving the actual public without
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Speaker 1: notifying the public.
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Speaker 3: And these were live, live explosives with real timers and everything.
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Speaker 1: You know, that was at first what was reported. And
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Speaker 1: then the government when they changed there, when they came out.
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Speaker 3: And they're like, oh no, they were just they were fake.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was something else.
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Speaker 1: So you have one day Putin saying good job thwarting
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Speaker 1: this bombing, and the next day someone coming out and
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Speaker 1: going no, no, no, no, no no, it was a training exercise.
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Speaker 1: Putin would have known if that was a training exercise
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Speaker 1: the day before, there's no mystery in that, Like if
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Speaker 1: anyone's gonna know Putin's gonna know, of.
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Speaker 4: Course in a time of national dress, you're going to
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Speaker 4: keep them that's gonna be in his daily breathing, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: It's like, if you're doing this, goofy ass idea to
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Speaker 4: make sure that people are paying attent, like you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what great timing to launch an exercise about
18:43
Speaker 1: planning bombs somewhere when the country's actively being bombed. It's
18:47
Speaker 1: like that would not fucking happen, No, And but people
18:51
Speaker 1: just kind of went along with it. It.
18:54
Speaker 2: Like we said, if you watch.
18:55
Speaker 1: This documentary, there's this whole fucking televised public forum where
18:58
Speaker 1: everyone who lived in the Riazon building questions these FSB
19:04
Speaker 1: agents and they're just like, nope, it's an exercise. Like
19:07
Speaker 1: at some points they changed their story on that show,
19:11
Speaker 1: and people.
19:12
Speaker 2: Are still just like okay, yeah, whatever, yeah.
19:15
Speaker 1: And so after they changed the explanation to training exercise,
19:22
Speaker 1: they also changed their explanation of what type of explosive
19:26
Speaker 1: was found, because at first everyone acknowledged the RDX thing,
19:29
Speaker 1: but then they changed their position and said it was
19:31
Speaker 1: a combination of aluminum powder, saltpeter, mostly sugar, and TNT.
19:38
Speaker 1: And David Satter, who is a journalist and one of
19:42
Speaker 1: the few people who have been reporting on this since
19:45
Speaker 1: it happened, who is still alive, he wrote a.
19:49
Speaker 2: Must be a bad report, Yeah exactly.
19:52
Speaker 1: He wrote a really great article for the National Review,
19:54
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about again later. But his theory is
19:58
Speaker 1: that they changed the explanation of what the explosives were
20:02
Speaker 1: because they were going to have to explain how that
20:06
Speaker 1: much our DX left the facility where it's made. Because
20:11
Speaker 1: fun fact about our DX, it's made in one factory
20:14
Speaker 1: in Russia, one FSB controlled factory in Russia, and.
20:20
Speaker 3: Think go down to the corner store and pick up
20:22
Speaker 3: a set, you know.
20:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they had to come up if this was
20:26
Speaker 1: a training exercise, like they would have to explain, well,
20:31
Speaker 1: do you have a record of removing all of this
20:34
Speaker 1: RBX from the facility. So instead they just say, no,
20:38
Speaker 1: it's sugar. And if you google pictures of this bomb
20:43
Speaker 1: that was found or watched that documentary, that is not sugar.
20:47
Speaker 2: It looks like fucking uranium.
20:49
Speaker 1: It's yellow for one thing, which is not normally a
20:54
Speaker 1: characteristic of sugar, and the explosives expert who diffused the bomb.
21:00
Speaker 1: He I was skeptical when I first heard traces of
21:04
Speaker 1: r DX, because like, I wouldn't expect traces to be
21:08
Speaker 1: enough to build a bomb. But the way you test
21:11
Speaker 1: these things is you use a gas analyzer that just
21:16
Speaker 1: kind of measures what's emanating from that bomb and tells
21:19
Speaker 1: you what chemicals are in it. And people were like, well,
21:23
Speaker 1: your your analyzer could have malfunctioned. And he was like,
21:27
Speaker 1: this is a twenty thousand dollars piece of equipment that
21:30
Speaker 1: we had.
21:30
Speaker 3: Cardy X is only made in one factory. Yeah, pretty
21:33
Speaker 3: you know, unique chemical signature.
21:36
Speaker 1: And he was like, we have a guy whose only
21:39
Speaker 1: job is to keep this fucking unit working. Every time
21:42
Speaker 1: we use it, he recalibrates it, it did not malfunction,
21:46
Speaker 1: and he eventually changes his story. But that's a big
21:51
Speaker 1: characteristic of this thing. Everyone eventually changes their story or
21:55
Speaker 1: they get murdered.
21:56
Speaker 4: It's like, do you want to be right or you
21:58
Speaker 4: play with your grandkids, kind of one of the two.
22:01
Speaker 1: In Russia and that incident basically, uh, well, let's talk
22:07
Speaker 1: about Alexi Pinyayev Pinyeev. First, he in March two thousand,
22:13
Speaker 1: Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta reported the account of Private Alexi
22:18
Speaker 1: Pinyeev of the one hundred and thirty seventh Regiment, who
22:21
Speaker 1: guarded a military facility near the city of Raaizan, and
22:26
Speaker 1: he reported that he was surprised to see that a
22:29
Speaker 1: quote storehouse with weapons and ammunition contained sacks with the
22:33
Speaker 1: word sugar on them. And this is the point where
22:38
Speaker 1: this turns into just good old Russian comedy, Yeah, because
22:42
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about this that it's almost funny.
22:45
Speaker 1: How bad they fucked up in covering.
22:48
Speaker 3: Oh totally.
22:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just put like the just like big backstory materials,
22:56
Speaker 4: you know, and bold on the sack.
23:00
Speaker 1: And so the I say, this is the point where
23:03
Speaker 1: it gets funny because he and another paratrooper, seeing a
23:06
Speaker 1: bunch of bags of sugar, decide to cut one open
23:09
Speaker 1: and make tea, Yeah, and use the sugar, why not
23:12
Speaker 1: to sweeten their teeth?
23:13
Speaker 3: Go one miss it.
23:14
Speaker 1: And then they later realized they were drinking hexagen or RDX,
23:18
Speaker 1: which is hilarious. Uh, the chemical that was used to
23:21
Speaker 1: make all of these bombs.
23:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, I figure that is. I thought that was the
23:24
Speaker 4: traditional Russian sweetener. It's just a civil unrest aftershave.
23:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have you ever read about that people in
23:32
Speaker 1: Russia drinking after shave, because it's.
23:34
Speaker 4: Is that like a Vice documentary, Like you won't believe
23:36
Speaker 4: how Russian street youths are getting high these days.
23:39
Speaker 1: It probably is now, but only because I wrote a
23:40
Speaker 1: Cracked article about it like eight years ago.
23:42
Speaker 3: Okay, and they had to catch up. And yet no,
23:44
Speaker 3: I didn't know that they.
23:46
Speaker 1: They drink after shave, and it's bottled in a way
23:49
Speaker 1: to make it look like something you would drink.
23:52
Speaker 4: Oh, is it one of these things like poppers are
23:53
Speaker 4: supposedly VCR cleaners, but they're actually for loosening your butthole.
23:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but.
23:58
Speaker 1: This is legit after shave and it will kill you.
24:00
Speaker 1: But people fucking drink it because it's cheaper than vodka,
24:04
Speaker 1: which I didn't think anything was cheaper than vodka in Russia.
24:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that shit just came out of the tap.
24:10
Speaker 3: I thought there was a third knob.
24:13
Speaker 1: So, after he tells this story to Novaya Gazeta, FSB
24:19
Speaker 1: officers basically show up at one hundred and thirty seventh
24:23
Speaker 1: Regiment and interrogate Pinyev, at which point he's allegedly told
24:29
Speaker 1: you guys can't even imagine what serious business you've got
24:33
Speaker 1: yourselves tangled up in.
24:35
Speaker 4: I meanwhy this guy's got hexagen shits, you know, he's
24:38
Speaker 4: trying to metabolize explosives.
24:41
Speaker 1: And where it gets really creepy is Novaya. Gazetta was
24:46
Speaker 1: later sued for insulting the honor of the Russian army, since,
24:51
Speaker 1: according to them, there was no private Alexi Pinev in
24:55
Speaker 1: their regiment.
24:56
Speaker 3: Just photoshop, photoshopped, no matter that stall in picture.
24:59
Speaker 2: And he go like, he gives a press conference after this, well.
25:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, well the journalist is like, uh, well, what about
25:05
Speaker 4: the sugar? You know, like what sugar? And he's like
25:08
Speaker 4: the sugar that was right there. And then they're like
25:09
Speaker 4: what journalists?
25:10
Speaker 1: You know?
25:11
Speaker 3: And people start asking, They're like, what are you even
25:13
Speaker 3: talking about?
25:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy how bad they were covering this up
25:18
Speaker 1: and how they just got away with it. But what
25:21
Speaker 1: it happened here, Like, would Americans believe Trump planned a
25:27
Speaker 1: series of apartment bombings to get re elected?
25:29
Speaker 3: At this point, no one believes anything anymore.
25:31
Speaker 4: And it's like it's one of these things where it's
25:33
Speaker 4: like is it bad that we can't agree on any
25:35
Speaker 4: kind of like universal narrative. It doesn't seem like there's
25:38
Speaker 4: anything that's universally true anymore. Or is it good that
25:40
Speaker 4: at least people are skeptical and taking some sort of
25:44
Speaker 4: investigative you know, like motivation to do something or learn
25:48
Speaker 4: more or get more. And it's just like, I don't know, man,
25:51
Speaker 4: maybe that some people would some people wouldn't. I don't
25:53
Speaker 4: think we're not on the same page about fucking why
25:57
Speaker 4: the sky's blue anymore. We all read that it was
25:59
Speaker 4: scattered light and fourth grade, but yeah, it's just gay
26:01
Speaker 4: globalis yogurt up there being being fucking kim trail into
26:05
Speaker 4: our skies and he's like, who knows. Definitely they got
26:08
Speaker 4: this shit right under the wire of like the internet.
26:10
Speaker 4: If you're gonna pull this, oh yeah.
26:12
Speaker 2: For sure, you know, yeah, they did it at the
26:14
Speaker 2: perfect time.
26:14
Speaker 4: We got to do this before texting becomes widely.
26:17
Speaker 1: If anyone wants to really look into this, there's an
26:20
Speaker 1: article on Nationalreview dot com called the Unsolved Mystery behind
26:24
Speaker 1: the act of Terror that brought Putin to power, and
26:27
Speaker 1: you can it's free on their website. It's written by
26:30
Speaker 1: a journalist's named David Satter, who is legitimately the last
26:35
Speaker 1: journalist standing who's still reporting on this. This article came
26:38
Speaker 1: out in twenty sixteen. He's been covering this since nineteen
26:42
Speaker 1: ninety nine when it happened. By the time he at
26:46
Speaker 1: one point testified in front of the House Intelligence Committee
26:49
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. He says in the beginning
26:52
Speaker 1: of his article, by that point he was the only
26:54
Speaker 1: person alive still talking about that.
26:56
Speaker 4: Which is a pretty it's some like real like Egyptian
27:00
Speaker 4: curse of the artifact in the pyramid type yeah, yeah.
27:03
Speaker 1: And if you read there's so many more details. In
27:06
Speaker 1: his article, he talks about the police sketch, which is
27:10
Speaker 1: one of the craziest parts of the story. Basically, they
27:14
Speaker 1: went to the landlord of this Riazan building and asked
27:18
Speaker 1: who was renting that space down there, and the guy
27:22
Speaker 1: gave them a composite sketch, but then he gave it
27:26
Speaker 1: to the police, and then the police just replaced it
27:29
Speaker 1: with a different sketch of some other dude, who eventually
27:33
Speaker 1: is the the guy we mentioned in the beginning, who
27:36
Speaker 1: is still at large.
27:37
Speaker 2: They've never caught him.
27:39
Speaker 1: He was cheching and they were like, yeah, this guy
27:42
Speaker 1: did it, and they just produced this completely different sketch.
27:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, like whatever, the stereotypes of chesching features like yeah,
27:48
Speaker 4: nice chest sketch, but he needs to have the like
27:50
Speaker 4: you know, yeah exactly he's got and he's got a
27:54
Speaker 4: heart chech nea T shirt and you could have missed it,
27:57
Speaker 4: I understand.
27:57
Speaker 3: In the moment and.
27:59
Speaker 1: This, David's at one point starts looking into whether that
28:03
Speaker 1: first sketch was ever released before, because there is that
28:11
Speaker 1: lag time where the government was still saying it was
28:13
Speaker 1: a terrorist attack that was thwarted. So he's like, maybe
28:16
Speaker 1: that first police sketch did get out, and he finds
28:19
Speaker 1: it and it looks exactly like the one of the
28:24
Speaker 1: FSB agents who was eventually arrested, and so that like
28:29
Speaker 1: that alone, just replacing a police sketch, that's that's such
28:34
Speaker 1: blatant cover up.
28:36
Speaker 2: Shit.
28:36
Speaker 1: Oh totally, But I think you're right. It was the Internet,
28:39
Speaker 1: so word wasn't going to get around that fast.
28:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you really had to go like go down
28:44
Speaker 4: to the pre stage to be like can I see
28:45
Speaker 4: that sketch and they're like, what's your name again?
28:49
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
28:51
Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, it's he calls the Russian apartment bombings
28:57
Speaker 1: the greatest political provocations in it's the burning of the Reichstag.
29:01
Speaker 3: Oh remember that one?
29:03
Speaker 1: Ah, we do from a couple weeks back when we
29:06
Speaker 1: first started talking about false flag operations.
29:09
Speaker 2: Seems like we've been talking about him forever. When's it
29:13
Speaker 2: gonna end?
29:13
Speaker 3: I helped his summer never ends at.
29:16
Speaker 1: It ends next week with part two of our episode
29:18
Speaker 1: about Sandy Hook.
29:20
Speaker 2: Yes, another probably not a false flag operation. Yeah.
29:25
Speaker 4: I when I went to Ireland, I had a tour
29:27
Speaker 4: guide named Robbie, and this dude was just like, He's like,
29:31
Speaker 4: you had this very cute, like oh today, and he's
29:34
Speaker 4: just like, oh, yeah, I know what Obama goes on
29:35
Speaker 4: there with his crocodile tears to try to take your
29:37
Speaker 4: guns away after he shot those kids, and we're all like,
29:41
Speaker 4: whoa dude, just tell me about the Ring of carry bro,
29:44
Speaker 4: I wanted to show me where the water falls are,
29:46
Speaker 4: and shit, Jesus want I.
29:47
Speaker 1: Want that version of the conspiracy where Obama shows up
29:51
Speaker 1: personally to shoot the kids.
29:52
Speaker 3: As the joker and just let's loose.
29:55
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, that's what that meme of Obama as the
29:58
Speaker 1: Joker is from.
29:59
Speaker 2: He actually we showed up at Sandy Hook and did that.
30:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're gonna kill yeah, you know, go all out.
30:04
Speaker 1: So he, like I said, also rightfully points out that
30:08
Speaker 1: four different people investigating FSB involvement in the Russian apartment
30:12
Speaker 1: bombings were killed between two thousand and three.
30:15
Speaker 3: In two thousand and six, Yeah.
30:17
Speaker 1: And remember that in the run up to the election
30:22
Speaker 1: when Trump was there was an interview and he was
30:24
Speaker 1: saying all these nice things about Putin and I don't
30:27
Speaker 1: remember who. It was, probably someone awful like Matt Lower. Yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: but it was simpler times.
30:32
Speaker 4: And he was just like, no, he's a better leader
30:34
Speaker 4: than our president. Like the whole interview with all those pollans.
30:36
Speaker 1: And the interviewer was like, you know, he kills journalists too,
30:40
Speaker 1: and Trump was just like, yeah, we probably kill people
30:42
Speaker 1: sometimes too. Yeah.
30:44
Speaker 3: Oh do you remember that.
30:45
Speaker 2: Oh that's very grim.
30:46
Speaker 4: That is uh well that was before Yeah, but you
30:48
Speaker 4: think he'll never get elected yeah yeah.
30:51
Speaker 3: Where he's just like, yeah, what the fuck do you think?
30:53
Speaker 4: You think we're so good or we're so innocet it
30:55
Speaker 4: And it's just like this is a great Dave Chappelle
30:57
Speaker 4: bit where he's just like he's talking about all scary
31:00
Speaker 4: briefings are He's like, you're not supposed to tell us that,
31:02
Speaker 4: you know, it's like your kid iss, I'd be like,
31:04
Speaker 4: I'm three months behind in the red and I am worried.
31:07
Speaker 3: You know the same thing.
31:08
Speaker 2: We're just like what the fuck is this? Dude? Like peeling,
31:10
Speaker 2: but you're.
31:11
Speaker 4: Not even pretending anymore. There's not even the facade of
31:14
Speaker 4: like our own like civic greatness.
31:16
Speaker 3: Is just like, yeah, we're probably just as bad.
31:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how depressing is it that we didn't even
31:21
Speaker 1: need a Russian apartment bombing to bring Trump to power.
31:24
Speaker 2: We just voted for him.
31:25
Speaker 4: No, no, just one one lady in the pants who
31:28
Speaker 4: was doing her best, and we're just like, not for us,
31:30
Speaker 4: thank you, she's boring.
31:33
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're doomed. It's great.
31:36
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the people who were killed trying
31:40
Speaker 1: to investigate this.
31:42
Speaker 2: Yes, let's uh.
31:43
Speaker 1: One was Sergai Yushinkoff. He was a liberal Russian politician
31:49
Speaker 1: and vice chairman of the Sergaikvialv Commission, which was formed
31:53
Speaker 1: to investigate the bombings. So this is like if the
31:55
Speaker 1: CIA murdered the Warren Commission.
31:57
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
31:58
Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, if this ever was, every Democrat on the
32:02
Speaker 4: House Intelligence Committee just woke up and got hexagen poisoning.
32:08
Speaker 1: He was murdered on April seventeenth, two thousand and three,
32:12
Speaker 1: just hours after registering his political party to participate in
32:16
Speaker 1: the December two thousand and three parliamentary elections. Convenient probably,
32:21
Speaker 1: I'm assuming was going to run at least on a
32:23
Speaker 1: platform of hey, your president committed an act of terror
32:26
Speaker 1: to get elected.
32:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might have come up.
32:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean these I mean, I know Russian political
32:31
Speaker 4: you know, campaigns are pretty civil, but I mean he
32:33
Speaker 4: might have made a note of it.
32:35
Speaker 1: We did an episode, it's already out, it's been out
32:38
Speaker 1: for a few weeks about the upcoming Russian elections and
32:42
Speaker 1: what's crazy about those is in reading that you go
32:46
Speaker 1: into it thinking, oh, yeah, I'm going to read about
32:49
Speaker 1: crazy ass Putin and a bunch of other really moderate
32:51
Speaker 1: people that should probably have the job over him. Nope,
32:55
Speaker 1: it's just Putin and a lot of other Putins below him. Yeah,
32:58
Speaker 1: we're like, you're not mean enough to the United States,
33:01
Speaker 1: like he's the moderate in that country.
33:03
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so fucking metal. Everything is just.
33:07
Speaker 1: Like we called the episode, would you vote for Putin?
33:09
Speaker 1: Because by the end I was like, I think.
33:11
Speaker 2: I'm voting for Putin.
33:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so funny. He's our best option
33:14
Speaker 1: right now. Oh yeah, in the United States because everyone
33:18
Speaker 1: else their stance. Like even there's a guy who was
33:21
Speaker 1: running against him who basically they put him in jail
33:25
Speaker 1: and banned his party from participating, and he's like painted
33:29
Speaker 1: as Putin's main rival and as an American. You hear
33:33
Speaker 1: that and go, oh, okay, so that's the liberal guy. No, No,
33:36
Speaker 1: he's much he he thinks Putin is too nice to
33:40
Speaker 1: the West.
33:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, Putin is like a fascist and a tie and
33:45
Speaker 4: he's just like, now I'm going it's full army uniform.
33:47
Speaker 3: What the hell?
33:47
Speaker 4: What are we dressing this shit? I want fifty five
33:50
Speaker 4: medals across my chest. I mean nothing, what do you get?
33:53
Speaker 4: That's what with this pussy shit? This is not the
33:55
Speaker 4: rush I grew up with.
33:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking terrifying. Speaking of terrifying, let's talk about your.
34:01
Speaker 4: Come on shit whatever. The sauce from Rick and Morty
34:05
Speaker 4: was check O Chick, him.
34:08
Speaker 3: Urie Shako and Russian guys for Boss Flag better Sorry.
34:17
Speaker 1: He was a journalist for Novaya Gazetta who was investigating
34:21
Speaker 1: the bombings, which it should be pointed out, that's the
34:23
Speaker 1: only like that's it in Russia publications that aren't like
34:29
Speaker 1: state sponsored or state controlled, which I don't know if
34:33
Speaker 1: people realize how close we are to that.
34:36
Speaker 3: Oh, just because almost so a few companies.
34:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the merger, and that's like the whole thing
34:41
Speaker 4: is just like we're gonna make this cool underground news
34:44
Speaker 4: source like advice or something. And it's like that's just
34:46
Speaker 4: to get it big enough so we could sell it
34:48
Speaker 4: to Rupert Murdoch. Yeah, I can go fuck people on
34:50
Speaker 4: a yacht, you know, and then you're like, yeah, I
34:52
Speaker 4: don't know, I'm shit, Like yeah.
34:54
Speaker 1: Half the time, when I see people complaining about independent
34:56
Speaker 1: media going down, it's like they're not independent. Like you're
35:01
Speaker 1: talking about people that sold out to bigger county.
35:03
Speaker 4: It's like saying, like, oh man, all of our all
35:05
Speaker 4: our local record stores, they're like, no hot topic had
35:08
Speaker 4: to close down in your mall because there wasn't enough
35:10
Speaker 4: goths in North Dakota.
35:12
Speaker 3: It's just it's the same shit.
35:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, And it's like you think about Creepy
35:15
Speaker 4: is like state run magazine. It's like imagine reading the
35:18
Speaker 4: United States government presents Reader's Digest or something even it's
35:22
Speaker 4: like they're like Highlights magazine or whatever.
35:25
Speaker 3: Just it's fucking odd to think about that shit.
35:27
Speaker 1: And it's it feels like where we're headed though, Yeah,
35:30
Speaker 1: especially with libel laws like that. The thing about Novaia
35:34
Speaker 1: Gazetta they mentioned in that documentary. This one of the
35:38
Speaker 1: editors is showing all of these articles that they've written,
35:41
Speaker 1: and he was like, to us, everything we've published is
35:45
Speaker 1: grounds for criminal charges against the Putin administration. Yeah, and
35:50
Speaker 1: he goes, but instead we're being sued for libel And
35:55
Speaker 1: how often does Trump talk about that?
35:58
Speaker 4: Oh, all the time, all the time, this whole thing.
36:01
Speaker 4: He's just like trying to prime us for some kind
36:03
Speaker 4: of move in that in that direction, Yeah.
36:05
Speaker 2: Like in that Once that happens, we're well, it's you
36:09
Speaker 2: we're in a bad way.
36:09
Speaker 4: Like even like little shit like this, like I'm sure
36:12
Speaker 4: you know, Patreon will find a new parent company and
36:15
Speaker 4: gets sold out from under him, and then some the
36:17
Speaker 4: shareholder will incorporate with you know, lions Gate, and then
36:21
Speaker 4: they'll be like, hmm, this isn't some padica. We don't
36:23
Speaker 4: need your you know, with the fucking twelve hundred patrons
36:27
Speaker 4: a month, and that bad lyst so you're fucking you're out, Like, yeah,
36:30
Speaker 4: it's fucking terrifying. I do have a contingency plan for
36:33
Speaker 4: when that happens.
36:34
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hatreon.
36:35
Speaker 1: No, there is a word press plug in that I
36:37
Speaker 1: could set all this shut up on.
36:39
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, use myself. It's like, that's very smart.
36:41
Speaker 1: The plug in is one hundred and twenty dollars. There's
36:43
Speaker 1: a hosting service that's fifteen dollars a month but lets
36:46
Speaker 1: you host as much content as you want and as
36:49
Speaker 1: many different shows as you want. And yeah, I would
36:52
Speaker 1: if I have thought about that if something ever happens,
36:55
Speaker 1: or like if fucking Josh Denny says something super racist
36:59
Speaker 1: on a podcast and Patreon's like, hey man, we can't
37:02
Speaker 1: let people keep giving you money.
37:04
Speaker 2: It's making us look bad. I have a plan.
37:07
Speaker 3: There is.
37:07
Speaker 4: There's a Hatreon which doesn't have the same integrated like
37:10
Speaker 4: create your own RSS feeds for your podcast type of
37:13
Speaker 4: functionality the Patreon has.
37:14
Speaker 3: But it supposedly hate speech protected.
37:16
Speaker 4: So it's been a big thing and the mean boys
37:18
Speaker 4: can to try to be beating Richard Spencer and we
37:21
Speaker 4: are I think by a couple of hundred dollars. He's
37:23
Speaker 4: in like the high nine hundreds and we're like eleven
37:25
Speaker 4: hundred right now, so nice, keep fighting the good fight.
37:27
Speaker 4: But yeah, it is, it is. It is just like
37:29
Speaker 4: fucked up. We're just like like, oh, okay, that's kind of funny.
37:32
Speaker 4: I thought it was just like a pun and then
37:33
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this is just for straight up.
37:34
Speaker 1: Nazi Yeah exactly. So yeah, I wouldn't go the Hatreon route.
37:38
Speaker 1: I would just set up the subscription thing on my
37:40
Speaker 1: own totally, which I might still do at some point
37:42
Speaker 1: even if Patreon did.
37:43
Speaker 4: This is a little firewell, I mean, you're like a
37:45
Speaker 4: code head, you know, you know, like you know this shit.
37:47
Speaker 4: All you do is research the best for like things
37:49
Speaker 4: on the internet. So he just like Adam knows you're
37:51
Speaker 4: basically like Cipher from the Matrix.
37:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
37:54
Speaker 1: I have plans, No, I know, I have plans for
37:56
Speaker 1: surviving the Trumpet.
37:58
Speaker 3: I really never doubt.
37:58
Speaker 4: I'm always just like, oh, Adam, I'm sure it has
38:00
Speaker 4: an earthquake kit in a shotgun under his bed with
38:03
Speaker 4: a bunch of like fucking milar blankets and you know,
38:05
Speaker 4: dog food for winter that's been vacuum compressed down to
38:08
Speaker 4: the side of a single grape, you know, and he
38:11
Speaker 4: just drops that in water.
38:12
Speaker 1: We have been talking about getting Like I feel like
38:15
Speaker 1: we need that now, Like we've reached that point in
38:17
Speaker 1: American history where you're not crazy anymore if you have
38:20
Speaker 1: a stockpile of bottled water in your closet.
38:23
Speaker 4: I I listened to one am Raiders John. I was like,
38:24
Speaker 4: I need to get a shotgun and a bunch of
38:27
Speaker 4: like rich crackers and in like in a in a
38:30
Speaker 4: fucking big ziploc bag that I can munch on.
38:32
Speaker 1: And it's crazy. Yeah, fuck god, And I'm like, I
38:35
Speaker 1: fucking hate guns. I don't ever want to own a gun.
38:37
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:37
Speaker 4: It's just like, oh, well, the Raiders are gonna come
38:40
Speaker 4: to my house and try to take my ship after
38:42
Speaker 4: the earthquake, and then they're.
38:43
Speaker 1: Probably the actual Raiders. Yeah, probably actual the Oakland Raider,
38:47
Speaker 1: if nothing else. Raiders fans, Raiders fans.
38:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a bit about this, but it's just like, yeah,
38:51
Speaker 4: I'm sure some one of the Trump administrations can be like, oh, California,
38:54
Speaker 4: I mean, the elections in a week, let's go, let's
38:56
Speaker 4: go get a mole man that we we've kept alive
38:58
Speaker 4: underneath the Pentagon from We'll go pay in sunlight to
39:02
Speaker 4: go drill under the Andreas fault and delocate everyone right
39:06
Speaker 4: before the election goes down, so we win those votes
39:08
Speaker 4: because only Fresno's able to fucking get.
39:10
Speaker 3: Out to the ballot box. It'll happen, It'll happen. Yeah.
39:14
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Yuri shiko Kin. That guy.
39:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, he died suddenly in July two thousand and three
39:23
Speaker 1: from a mystery.
39:24
Speaker 2: Illness, probably nothing on the eve.
39:26
Speaker 1: Of a trip to the US to meet with the FBI,
39:29
Speaker 1: just a social checking things out. He was actually I
39:34
Speaker 1: didn't include anything in the notes about this, but there
39:36
Speaker 1: was also a scandal. It's got whale in the name.
39:41
Speaker 1: I can't think of what it is, but it's basically
39:44
Speaker 1: a money laundering scandal, and he was investigating that also,
39:48
Speaker 1: and was going to New York to meet with the
39:51
Speaker 1: FBI to present evidence of Russian money laundering in the
39:56
Speaker 1: United States and probably also to mention what happened with Putin.
40:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they're just like, yeah, and.
40:03
Speaker 1: He dies of a mystery illness. His medical documents, I'm
40:08
Speaker 1: sure this is completely normal, have been classified by the
40:11
Speaker 1: state of course. Yeah, that's what you do when a
40:14
Speaker 1: journalist who has no.
40:16
Speaker 4: Reasons trying to expose you dies is you use your
40:18
Speaker 4: authority to classify his Well, it's a mysterious illness.
40:22
Speaker 3: You don't want to you want to cause a panic,
40:23
Speaker 3: but really, yeah.
40:24
Speaker 2: What if everyone thinks they're gonna die that I.
40:26
Speaker 3: Had Russian superads or whatever.
40:29
Speaker 1: His symptoms did fit a pattern of poisoning by radioactive materials.
40:35
Speaker 4: Alexander, I knew I shouldn't have taken that pen from
40:39
Speaker 4: that guy in the suit. You know it's glowing at
40:42
Speaker 4: the tip of it. I thought it was just to
40:44
Speaker 4: help you see in the dark.
40:45
Speaker 1: But Alexander Venenko claimed publicly that the killing was a
40:51
Speaker 1: politically motivated assassination. Hey, speaking of that guy, let's talk
40:57
Speaker 1: about what happened to Alexander Litevenko. This is maybe or Litvinenko.
41:03
Speaker 1: This might be the scariest one.
41:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:05
Speaker 1: This guy is a former FSB agent who defected to England.
41:10
Speaker 1: He was given asylum in England because he had accused
41:14
Speaker 1: his superiors in the FSB of assassinating Russian tycoon and
41:20
Speaker 1: oligarch Boris Berezovsky. I don't know what Boris did, but
41:24
Speaker 1: the FSB wanted him dead.
41:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this guy was trying to and his boy.
41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, Litvinenko was that hero that came out and said, hey,
41:33
Speaker 1: the FSB is going rogue again, let's.
41:36
Speaker 2: Put a halt to it.
41:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was arrested for that, but they later
41:40
Speaker 1: released him, at which point he fled to England, where
41:42
Speaker 1: he was granted asylum. So in England he continues to
41:46
Speaker 1: speak out against Putin and he really does a deep
41:50
Speaker 1: dive into these Russian apartment bombings. And he actually wrote
41:55
Speaker 1: the book Blowing Up Russia, which is what that documentary
41:59
Speaker 1: we recommended is based on. I guess we could have
42:01
Speaker 1: just recommended the book, but I don't have that much
42:05
Speaker 1: faith in our listeners to want to read.
42:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a whole project.
42:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that documentary is only forty two minutes.
42:10
Speaker 4: Baby, oh, breeze through that thing. Blow through that just
42:13
Speaker 4: a fucking EpiPen of truth.
42:17
Speaker 1: And so he wrote the book Blowing Up Russia that
42:20
Speaker 1: this documentary about the Russian apartment bombings is based on.
42:23
Speaker 1: He died in November two thousand and six after former
42:27
Speaker 1: FSB member Andre Lugovoi allegedly slipped radioactive polonium two ten
42:34
Speaker 1: into lit Venenko's tea at a cafe in London.
42:38
Speaker 3: Just like you seem really qualified to work at the Starbucks. Sure,
42:42
Speaker 3: you're a senior ranking member at the FSB. Fucking if
42:46
Speaker 3: I'm reading quickly, vice president of Poisoning.
42:49
Speaker 4: Well, I mean your credentials assuredly there, and we appreciate
42:51
Speaker 4: you trying to start a new career with us here
42:52
Speaker 4: at the Starbucks family.
42:53
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, you quit after one week and
42:55
Speaker 3: you took the apron.
42:56
Speaker 1: Nice, Okay, Like that's so crazy though, because he got
42:59
Speaker 1: a he was in England and it like it reminds.
43:02
Speaker 3: Me seeking asylum. He was supposed to be asylum.
43:05
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the North Korea thing where they
43:07
Speaker 1: killed Kim Jong ounds was a cousin cousin. Yeah, yeah,
43:10
Speaker 1: because they didn't airport in Malaysia just because.
43:12
Speaker 4: On the off chance and someone's going to try to
43:14
Speaker 4: fly him back and set him up as the new
43:15
Speaker 4: figurehead that they could prop him up with, you know,
43:18
Speaker 4: after some kind of international bloody nose strike to you know,
43:21
Speaker 4: overthrow everything like oh no he's the true air or whatever.
43:23
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. But they the fucking way they did
43:25
Speaker 3: that is so crazy.
43:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was set up a fake pranksh Yeah, they
43:29
Speaker 1: set up a Frank picture and they used to kind
43:31
Speaker 1: of poison forget the name of it, that was very
43:32
Speaker 1: specifically like, oh, this is so you know, North Korea
43:35
Speaker 1: did this shit.
43:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, just as like a power move almost.
43:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's an aspect of this story that's kind
43:41
Speaker 1: of like that too.
43:42
Speaker 2: Well, not lit Venenko, but.
43:44
Speaker 1: I imagine, like especially the fact and that this former FSB
43:48
Speaker 1: member has never been charged for this. You know, England
43:52
Speaker 1: just did an investigation and decided, well, yeah, this guy
43:55
Speaker 1: definitely did it, but then he went back to Russia,
43:58
Speaker 1: and Russia obviously isn't gonna extra dight. Yeah, the one
44:01
Speaker 1: of the one, so they can be tried for a
44:04
Speaker 1: state sanctioned assassination carried out on foreign soil. Yeah, So
44:10
Speaker 1: it's just kind of that's where we are, this guy and.
44:14
Speaker 4: It's even spies, you want to think spies are like,
44:16
Speaker 4: we got to kill this guy before he kills us.
44:18
Speaker 4: He's like, we got to kill this guy before he
44:20
Speaker 4: makes us look like a dick, so we can't kill
44:22
Speaker 4: other guys.
44:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like and you know, with his cover up
44:25
Speaker 2: for the cover up, for the cover up, it's just fun.
44:28
Speaker 1: With him being a former FSB member, I get the
44:31
Speaker 1: sense that these two probably just like met up for
44:34
Speaker 1: a drink.
44:35
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, maybe he was that's maybe that's how you
44:37
Speaker 4: get together. Maybe just like, hey, man, I'm I got
44:39
Speaker 4: some shit. I gotta tell you about it. I'm not
44:41
Speaker 4: supposed to be here, but I mean, if you can,
44:42
Speaker 4: if you can meet me at the cafe, I'll slide
44:45
Speaker 4: your flash drive and you hopefully get the bottom of this.
44:47
Speaker 2: And the flash drive accidentally falls on the team.
44:49
Speaker 1: He's like, whoa, you should drink it anyway, just blow
44:53
Speaker 1: on this and then run away.
44:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and make sure I'm wearing gloves so that
44:58
Speaker 4: the polonium two tenders and soak to my pores and
45:00
Speaker 4: give me fucking.
45:02
Speaker 1: That was a I remember when this happened like it
45:04
Speaker 1: was a big story. There were it was all over
45:07
Speaker 1: the news, and I remember then people were like, yeah,
45:09
Speaker 1: Putin probably did it, but I didn't. I never looked
45:13
Speaker 1: into it enough to know why.
45:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't realize it was related to this. And then
45:20
Speaker 1: there's one more. Anna Pulatkovskaya, who we've talked about on
45:24
Speaker 1: other podcasts before. We did an episode of What in
45:27
Speaker 1: the World about how hard it is to be a
45:29
Speaker 1: journalist in other countries, and she's a good example of that.
45:32
Speaker 1: She was a journalist, writer, and human rights activist. She
45:36
Speaker 1: gained national attention for her reporting on the war in Chechnia,
45:40
Speaker 1: but also extensively covered the apartment bombings the war Inzchnia,
45:47
Speaker 1: and she was basically terrorized for most of her professional career.
45:53
Speaker 1: At one point, she was arrested by Russian military forces
45:57
Speaker 1: and subjected to a mock execution.
46:00
Speaker 4: Like that is insane, Yeah, it's like childishly inhumane.
46:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, to just be like, we're gonna put a bag
46:08
Speaker 3: on your head and just surprise.
46:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just them going, hey, we can do
46:12
Speaker 1: this at any time, so maybe shut up.
46:15
Speaker 4: And at this point we've killed three people and we
46:18
Speaker 4: try to keep it as three cover up murders for
46:20
Speaker 4: every false flag and you're just like.
46:22
Speaker 2: We'll make it four.
46:23
Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck, but I'm just telling you so,
46:25
Speaker 3: you though.
46:26
Speaker 2: And she kept reporting.
46:29
Speaker 1: So the next thing they did was they tried to
46:31
Speaker 1: poison her on a flight and it they ended up
46:34
Speaker 1: just diverting the flight back to Russia and she was
46:37
Speaker 1: in the hospital for a while, but also didn't kill her.
46:40
Speaker 1: She survived. She keeps reporting. Finally, finally, in October of
46:47
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. October seventh, two thousand and six,
46:50
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown kicks the football. She was killed in a
46:54
Speaker 1: contract execution on October seventh, two thousand and six. Five
46:59
Speaker 1: men were arrested, but it's never been revealed who ordered
47:03
Speaker 1: and paid for the killing. But it's worth noting the
47:06
Speaker 1: murder happened on Vladimir Putin's birthday.
47:08
Speaker 4: So me and your cabinet got together. You don't like gifts,
47:11
Speaker 4: Well we got you something and we didn't go.
47:13
Speaker 2: Don't worry. We didn't pay a lot of money for it.
47:16
Speaker 3: Human life. You actually a resource in Russia.
47:21
Speaker 1: So there's all of that when it comes to the
47:24
Speaker 1: Russian apartment bombings. And there's one last thing, if if
47:28
Speaker 1: all of this isn't proof enough that the FSB was
47:32
Speaker 1: probably complicit in this and had some advanced knowledge on
47:36
Speaker 1: September thirteenth, just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, because.
47:41
Speaker 4: It's reth doing and you might have forgotten, this is
47:43
Speaker 4: the fifth one. This is the one that they prevented.
47:46
Speaker 4: It's much less all the sketchy shit that was going
47:48
Speaker 4: on with the first four.
47:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the first four all used the same type
47:52
Speaker 1: of explosive which was only produced in a government lab
47:55
Speaker 1: controlled by the FSB oops, which I don't think they
47:58
Speaker 1: ever expected that information to come out. I think it
48:01
Speaker 1: was when that bomb, that fifth one got thwarted and
48:04
Speaker 1: that guy tested it before they could get there.
48:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, the twenty thousand dollars machine that was broken. That
48:08
Speaker 4: his whole life's work to maintain and operating use exactly.
48:12
Speaker 4: And again it's you got your finger prints all over.
48:13
Speaker 4: It's like if you're leaving someone creepy, if it's like
48:16
Speaker 4: t pain threatening to rape you, but he's auto tuning himself,
48:20
Speaker 4: you know where it's like, okay, mister Payne, I mean
48:22
Speaker 4: this is your ex girlfriend and you're calling cards all
48:25
Speaker 4: over the shit exactly.
48:28
Speaker 1: And it so if if all of that, the fact
48:31
Speaker 1: that they got caught planting the fifth bomb, literally yeah,
48:36
Speaker 1: FSB got caught planning the fifth.
48:38
Speaker 3: Hobo hand on the windowsill the hook moment.
48:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even then, if you're one of those Akham's
48:44
Speaker 1: razors fucks, you have to assume that the person who
48:48
Speaker 1: got caught planning the fifth bomb planted the first four. Yeah,
48:52
Speaker 1: Like that is the most obvious conclusion.
48:55
Speaker 4: He's gotten good possible, you know, he's had, He's had
48:57
Speaker 4: plenty of practice. I wouldn't want to change up the
48:59
Speaker 4: step it's going so well.
49:02
Speaker 1: And so if all of that doesn't convince you that
49:06
Speaker 1: the FSB new about this, consider this. On September thirteenth,
49:10
Speaker 1: just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, Russian Duma
49:15
Speaker 1: Speakerkennedy Selesniov whatever of the Communist Party made an announcement quote,
49:24
Speaker 1: I have just received a report, according to information from
49:27
Speaker 1: rostov on Don, an apartment building in the city of
49:31
Speaker 1: Volgoedonks was blown up last night. Now here's the thing.
49:35
Speaker 1: He's right, that an apartment building in the city of
49:39
Speaker 1: Volgodonsk was blown up. It's just that it happened three
49:44
Speaker 1: days after he said this.
49:46
Speaker 3: Ah so good.
49:48
Speaker 2: Like that is Keystone cops bullshit?
49:51
Speaker 4: Then yeah, like what the fuck?
49:56
Speaker 2: Yeah? And when at one point he got.
49:59
Speaker 3: U read the first part of this note that was passed.
50:02
Speaker 1: He got questioned about this by a reporter in public,
50:07
Speaker 1: and they just turned the reporter's microphone off and refuse to.
50:11
Speaker 4: Answer these Just a guy that stands behind every politician
50:13
Speaker 4: with a pair of garden shears, where you're just like.
50:15
Speaker 3: Snip, get a new Xcel r cable and shut the
50:17
Speaker 3: fuck up.
50:18
Speaker 1: Like, how the fuck do you announce the bombing three
50:22
Speaker 1: days in advance and then go, no, we had no idea.
50:26
Speaker 4: What just goes down the memory hall is Winston Smith's job,
50:29
Speaker 4: You know fucking what it was. Tupless two is five, bitch,
50:33
Speaker 4: so shut up and hit your Turnip stew.
50:37
Speaker 2: So that's the.
50:38
Speaker 1: Russian apartment bombings, and good reminder, at this point, the
50:42
Speaker 1: guy who pulled that off is in charge of the
50:44
Speaker 1: largest nuclear arsenal in the world, even.
50:47
Speaker 3: Bigger than of Yeah, Russia's got more shit than.
50:49
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, just barely, but they have more.
50:51
Speaker 1: Have you ever looked into the drop off between like
50:54
Speaker 1: it goes Russia like seven thousand US like sixty.
50:58
Speaker 3: Nine hundred, England is like four hundred and thirty two
51:01
Speaker 3: or something.
51:01
Speaker 2: France is third and they have like two hundred and fifteen.
51:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like.
51:05
Speaker 1: We're gonna dominate if that war ever breaks out.
51:08
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and dominate what fucking yeah? Breathable oxygen, you know,
51:13
Speaker 4: the sunlight reaching the surface of the Earth in light
51:17
Speaker 4: of these clouds of debris and fucking human remains blocking
51:20
Speaker 4: out the sun.
51:21
Speaker 1: Oh so sleep easy, America. Yeah, that guy is now
51:25
Speaker 1: a good thing. He's using our president as a puppet
51:28
Speaker 1: for his own means.
51:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe ironic the americal lend of being Jeff Dunham.
51:34
Speaker 4: That's too funny to be ventriloquisted.
51:38
Speaker 2: Lapino on a steak. How does he get away with that?
51:41
Speaker 4: Oh, just a bague racist object racism. Yeah, man, it's fucky.
51:45
Speaker 4: He's not saying it's the puppet's saying it.
51:47
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I didn't think about that. So, yeah,
51:50
Speaker 1: that's the Russian apartment bombings. Definitely read that National Review
51:53
Speaker 1: article and yeah.
51:54
Speaker 4: It's probably the only time we'll ever RECOGNI recommend everything
51:57
Speaker 4: anything written on National Review.
51:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh lit queer.
52:02
Speaker 3: That's his ship, right, that's uh who.
52:05
Speaker 4: Oh fucking guy, the Gorvidal guy, Williams No, no, no,
52:09
Speaker 4: fucking William F.
52:10
Speaker 3: Buckley.
52:11
Speaker 2: That's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the.
52:12
Speaker 4: Whole fucking neo con thing. It's kind of like what uh,
52:15
Speaker 4: what info Wars and fock news was to Trump. This
52:18
Speaker 4: is what that was to Reagan. That was kind of
52:20
Speaker 4: his h His Info Wars was National Review. At least
52:23
Speaker 4: that's my understanding of it.
52:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be, but they're definitely right about.
52:27
Speaker 3: The Russian apartment goddamn face. Yeah, no, they certainly are.
52:31
Speaker 3: And this is guy Yuy.
52:33
Speaker 2: So this episode comes out.
52:35
Speaker 3: We only do this podcast so other people have to
52:37
Speaker 3: know this shit. We don't have to bear the burden
52:39
Speaker 3: of being freaked out a lot.
52:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to just unload this on other people.
52:43
Speaker 1: That's why I started this network.
52:44
Speaker 3: It makes me a real hood at dinner parties. But
52:47
Speaker 3: it's like, what you been up to? And I was like, oh,
52:48
Speaker 3: just really getting to the bottom of aliens. I don't know.
52:52
Speaker 3: Let me show you something that the.
52:53
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense of America in the twentieth century set
52:56
Speaker 1: about this ship. And they're like, oh, so you don't
52:59
Speaker 1: want to craft cake No, no, Yeah, it's interesting. It's
53:04
Speaker 1: interesting talking to people about that because I feel like,
53:07
Speaker 1: you know, our research this all the time. I can
53:08
Speaker 1: talk about this with anyone of course. Yeah, and you
53:10
Speaker 1: bring it up and people are like, oh yeah.
53:12
Speaker 3: And you're just like, oh, most people just don't want
53:13
Speaker 3: to know. I don't even really want to know. But
53:15
Speaker 3: once you know a little bit, like I should get
53:17
Speaker 3: the whole picture here.
53:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, so we should wrap it up. This is
53:21
Speaker 1: coming out two weeks from now, so I know you
53:26
Speaker 1: have a whole host of plugs. I don't know what
53:28
Speaker 1: I got going on. Darkest Hower at the Western County
53:30
Speaker 1: our second Friday of every month at the West Side
53:33
Speaker 1: Comedy Theater, live podcast, last Saturday of the month at
53:37
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Hotel.
53:38
Speaker 2: Maybe if I want to keep that going.
53:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well for me, I'm fixing on my website
53:44
Speaker 4: so I'll actually have like I realize, like i'll plug
53:45
Speaker 4: these shows.
53:46
Speaker 3: I'm like, I never actually put a link ticket tickets
53:48
Speaker 3: or anything.
53:48
Speaker 4: But in Oklahoma the eighth, ninth, and tenth of February,
53:52
Speaker 4: come out there in Arizona the twenty third and twenty
53:54
Speaker 4: fourth February headlining County off.
53:56
Speaker 3: Main Street, and I want to sting Mesa.
53:58
Speaker 4: Then I'm at the Gateway Show at a big theater
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Speaker 4: in San Francisco February twenty fifth. That's gonna be a
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Speaker 4: Bana show. I'm gonna have to get high and perform
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Speaker 4: in front of a shitload of people, and that's gonna
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Speaker 4: go very badly, and you'd you'd be wise to it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's gonna go bad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly I'm not good. I don't like smoking pot.
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Speaker 4: And uh one local one headline in The Ontario Improv
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Speaker 4: March twentieth at eight. That's always a fun time. It's
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Speaker 4: my home club, started out there and I always love
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Speaker 4: coming back. So it's my birthday March twentieth.
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Speaker 1: Yep, no shit, Go celebrate my birthday at the Ontario
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Speaker 1: Improv watching Connor, maxbat and tell jokes.
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Speaker 3: I can't think of it.
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Speaker 4: Better want to hang out unless you want to kill
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Speaker 4: a journalist that's been that's been fucking with Adam, which
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Speaker 4: is oh yeah, well me and me and me and
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Speaker 4: Chad and everyone else we're gonna chip in into.
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's get the fuck out of here. Connor
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Speaker 1: say goodbye, goodbye everybody.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye everybody.
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Speaker 4: We love you.