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Yoreh De’ah 296:58-61. Kilei HaKerem: Aris or Trellis, Distances, Compared To Kerem or Vineyards · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning Kil, Aya, Karen Resh Saadi Vav Shalabi Gomar
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  Kasimotova and his school Shanim Rabat Nimod Vetovat.
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  We are on Sif Nunhat. OK, so we're discussing what in
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  Aris is. So just want to point out that a
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  typical, I sent out some pictures on the WhatsApp just so
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  you point out. And again, you can look in
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  Mishnayas, took the liberty of taking some snapshots from art
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  Scroll. Thank you very much.
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  You'll see that often in Aries. I don't really know exactly what
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  they do nowadays, but at least the way they teach along the
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  from the Mishnayas that the way they would typically grow the
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  grapevines is like we said, you'd have this horizontal
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  lattice work that you grow the vine on.
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  But this lattice work is always elevated above the ground tent
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  fachem. And they would generally just
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  make walls. They would grow like a, a fence
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  or a wall and they would plant close to it, the vineyards, the
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  vines, whatever. And then they would build a wall
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  and then or a fence, whatever they would do.
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  And then along it, they'd make a row, They would plant a row of
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  vines and then as it, it's a vine, right?
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  So it's going to keep growing. It keeps growing, growing,
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  growing. And they just tweeze it up.
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  And then they will make it go above the wall.
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  And then that wall could be thin, but they would often build
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  a structure on that wall. So it's kind of like an L shape,
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  if that helps explain. So you have exactly, so it goes
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  up straight and then it right or left, it goes to the side and
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  you end up with this frame where it grows on.
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  And that'll just help you understand.
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  But you'll see the pictures also, just to point out
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  something, a couple differences between or similarities between
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  Karem and Aris. So a Karem, we learnt well for
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  both of them. They do have a similarity that
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  in order to have a a row or a configuration, generally a Karem
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  is a configuration and an Rs is often just one straight row.
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  For an Rs, it's a minimum of five in a row.
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  For a Karem it's either 5 or 6. We discussed on depending on the
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  configuration in to grow in order to have in order to have
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  in order for any vine that you're growing to be connected
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  combined 2 vines in a row, a configuration of five or five in
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  a row in order, they need to be within between 4:00 and 8:00
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  Amos in order for it to count. If it's too close, we just say
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  it's like 1 little 1:00 to 1:00. And if it's too far apart, then
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  it's too independent. So in order for them to be
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  combined in order to you add them up to become a Caram or an
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  Aris, it's both between 4:00 and 8:00.
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  Amos. Then for Caram, in order for a
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  Caram to be considered a Caram, right, we had the configuration
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  because I'll say it must be parallel, right?
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  We discussed this could be square or rectangle, but they
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  have to be parallel 2 rows in A2 rows in a row that are parallel
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  and they you know the configuration of whatever be a
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  A4 on a, on a die or a dice or however you want to consider it.
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  So anyways, but 4 is not enough. I just just for the
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  configuration I mentioned that you need 4 + 1 or 6 like a like
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  a six on a die. So anyways, in order, but it has
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  to be where it's they're parallel for an Aries, they do
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  not need to be parallel. There's no, there's no laws of
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  being parallel. Something else that's different.
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  Interesting for a carom, how far do you need to be?
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  So we learned it has to be once it's right, it gets defined as a
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  carom. It needs to be daled Amos away,
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  right to plant your, your grain, your vegetables.
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  That's daled Amos in all four directions.
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  As I just pointed out in the diagram, however, for an Aris
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  two sides it's daled Amos and the other two sides was an Aris
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  is generally 1 long fence or one long wall that you're growing in
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  a row. Often it's just five or more in
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  a row. So the halafa is for an Aris
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  along the fence or along the I'm trying to think how to describe
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  it. But the long way, as long as
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  you're going lateral from the long way, it's 4 almost away
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  from the the we're going to see it's it's it's either 14 almost
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  away from the line or 4 almost away from the wall or 4 almost
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  away from the vines, whichever is you need to be away from both
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  4 almost from this and four almost from that.
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  And we'll see how that we're going to we're about to read
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  that right now. But from the other direction
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  where you're going the head and the tail, all right, so then you
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  only need to be 6. Fuck.
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  That's the subtle, major, subtle difference between an Aris and A
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  and then Caram, obviously we learned is on the ground
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  defining feature. A caram is on the ground and in
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  Aris is always elevated. At least 10 modern vineyards are
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  always an Aris. OK, I'll take that.
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  Thank you. If it's less than 10 and it
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  would be a caram, it would be a. It's the same as on the ground.
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  Exactly. It'll be a caram if it fulfills
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  those requirements. OK, now let's continue in
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  silence. See how far we get.
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  Nunhet Keita hirchikata shora Shola gofani minak Hotel alma
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  venim saharis Mina. One second, how do you how far
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  how to do you distance yourself from the Shura of Gufanium?
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  If you have the Gufanium from the Khotel an AMA that's our
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  said that's our case, right? You would you would build your
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  wall, like I said, and then you'd plant your row of vines
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  along it. So let's say you have a case
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  where they're an AMA apart. If it's more than Dalid Amos
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  away and Derrick Lumuna you points out from the Khazanish.
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  If it's more than Dalid Amos away, then it's completely
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  separate. And even if you have a vine on
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  top of a wall, it has a den of that's not that doesn't have a
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  den of an Aris. So it's like it would be a caram
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  if it can, if it fills the requirements, you just look at
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  the trunk. Once it's 4 almost away from the
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  wall, it loses its Aris potential status.
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  OK, anyway, so let's say you have a case of it's an AMA
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  apart. So then the Nim saharis Mina
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  Gofanim ulakoto. Once you have an Arias and it's
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  created by these vines going up a wall, but the root of the vine
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  is not as an AMA away. So then moded min moded minha
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  koto arba Amos vizarrea. So then let's say you want to
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  plant on the wall side. The vine is on the other side of
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  the wall, so you need to make sure you are 4 Amos away from
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  the wall. Venimza Ben Hazara Ben ichareya
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  gafani mukhamesh alma. So in this scenario, because the
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  vines are on the other side of the wall one AMA way, so 4 + 1,
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  it turns out that you're right, you always have to be 4 Amos
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  away from either the wall or the vines.
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  That's that's really what it is. The imba leaves row on meetsad
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  the Gafanian. And now if you want to plant
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  your wheat on the other side of the wall, on the side of the
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  Gefanian, where the line of Gefanian are on your vine.
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  So then mark me, create Gefanian Marvalma.
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  So you have to also be at least 4 Almas away from the vines.
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  And now in this case, you since you're on the other side and
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  they're in Alma apart. So then it turns out from the
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  wall, you are 5 Almas away, Valdezo dining the whole Aris.
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  So that's how you do every Aris, every Aris.
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  You just have to be 4 Almas away from both the vine and the wall.
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  So obviously if they're not in, they're not touching each other
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  right now on top of each other, then it it'll all from one of
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  them will be more than four arms.
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  OK, non tet ERA da bona ETA geder via harka nata ocean nata.
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  So now that makes no difference whether for an iris, for
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  example, you are typically building a wall and planting.
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  So whichever one comes first, it makes no difference hoi irsan
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  hareza Aris. Once you have a wall and the and
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  and the Grapevine is now climbing and going over the
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  wall, and now it's resting on top of the wall.
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  So it has a din, right? If it has a din oven Aris, it
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  makes no difference which one came first.
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  And so too, nehras hagadah. Let's say you had a proper Aris,
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  but then the wall, the fence, yeah, came down.
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  Oh, Nissan Makharitz or you had a artist that your wall was
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  basically a ditch in the ground, right?
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  You learned, if you learned if you have a ditch of tents
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  fucking deep and the airs the the ditches forts fucking wide,
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  then that creates a wall. And even if the vineyard is
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  growing on the ground, since it's next to your wall and
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  you're going to harvest it by standing and working while
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  you're inside the ditch, alright, that's just what's
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  done. So therefore it has a din of an
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  Aris. And therefore, but let's say the
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  wall comes down or you fill up your kharitz, your ditch, and
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  now you don't have, it's not ten fucking deep anymore, right?
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  Or you don't have your wall anymore, Inkan Aris.
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  So then the Aris disappears. So in other words, it's possible
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  for it to have a din of an Aris today and it won't have a din of
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  an Aris tomorrow. It'll be like a Geffen Yehidi.
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  So it can change from dollar Amos to 4 S yeah dollar Amos or
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  6th fucking day-to-day based on if you have a wall or not right
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  And then if you could build a new wall and just hang up your
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  vine and then it automatically turns into an Arif.
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  Sorry. So if you lose your Kharitz and
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  I get there. So then it's all single vines,
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  Samir Aris Shikharif. Now this is a case of you had an
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  Aris and now it got destroyed in some cases.
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  I'm not sure what we're going to see.
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  We're about to read in a moment, but you'll see also from the
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  mission that you can have some cases where you have a status of
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  an Aris and then if it gets destroyed, it's a little bit
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  worse. A destroyed Aris is a little bit
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  worse than having an an original Aris.
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  Let's read Aris Shakari. And so let's say you have a long
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  Aris line of, let's just say the minimum for our case would be
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  11, right? Normally you need to have a
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  minimum of five, right? But in our case, the middle 1 is
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  going to disappear. Kharev himself got uprooted and
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  dies. Whatever happens, the middle one
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  is gone. And we want there to be 5 when
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  you start with Bokham Ish Khfani with Sada Gader, Mikhan Bokham
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  Ishfani with Sada Gader. So yeah, No, no, no.
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  You have one line, you have one wall, 1 long wall.
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  And along the wall all on the same side, you just, you just,
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  you just, yeah, you just plant a whole row.
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  You have the wall. And then the same right inside,
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  let's say you have a whole row of vines.
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  So all you need is five to create an artist.
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  But for art scenario that we're trying to get to, we got to have
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  11 or more. So let's just say 11.
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  OK, it could have been 15 or 20. It doesn't matter.
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  Let's just say you have 11. The point is you want to have a
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  break in the middle from what was part of one big Rs.
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  Now you have a break in the middle and you have at least 5
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  on each side. So what happens?
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  Oops, middle one got pulled out or died, didn't get water,
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  whatever it is. Exactly.
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  Kate sat. I'm sorry.
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  Done Zohanikra pisque Aris. This is what's called much of
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  the best translation and interrupted Aris.
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  But it's kind of like whatever, it got a little bit damaged,
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  right? Fragmented Aris.
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  OK, we all know when you build something and you intend to have
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  one thing and you know one way and then that's one thing.
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  But if you build something and you plan to have much more, you
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  had much more, and then it gets destroyed.
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  It's not the same. So here, this is the is there is
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  there anything I I don't know? OK, I'll skip examples.
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  Imesh pineum shmona Amos the ekhat MI shishim the AMA hareza
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  marhik Nicole Nicole Shura shishat fahim Vizzoraya who?
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  OK. So this just says, let's say you
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  have a break, as long as right, we learned this before that as
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  long as it's within 8 Amos, that's always the sheer for
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  connecting. That's the number generally,
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  right. There is a case where there can
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  be worse. I mean they're about on a 12 or
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  16 we mentioned earlier. But normal, the normal case of
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  connecting 1 vine to another vine is always 8, right?
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  You can have an issuer that it can extend 16, it's not for now,
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  but the number for connecting contiguous to make the vines
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  turn it into a caram or an Aris is always 8 Amos.
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  OK, so here you had a broken Aris where like the middle one
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  is missing. So as long if it's if the brake
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  is more than 8 Amos, so then it's considered 2 separate Amos,
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  2 separate arisium. But for this Halafa, we say it
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  has to be a little bit more than 8.
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  Almost not exactly 8. It's 8.
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  And then 1148. Yeah, 160th, right, 160th of an
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  AMA fine as some, which is the halafa.
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  I mean, the RB Shoni would say what's 1?
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  We're going to go with the Chauhanarif and the Rambam ECH
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  and Mishishi and the AMA. You know, I had this worked out.
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  Is it a Ketzi at Spa? Anyway, so that's that's the
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  sheer. It has to be 160th or more.
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  I raised the marking called Shura.
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  So if it's a little bit more than 68 AMA S of the ode in the
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  Mishnah. If it's a little bit more 88 and
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  a 60th. So then that creates a proper
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  break. And then how far do you have to
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  be from the edge of each individual Aris?
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  So This is why I mentioned in the intro that you only have to
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  be 6th fucking away. If it's a Karen, you still have
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  to be intact. If it's a Karen that's still
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  intact, you have to be 4 almost away on all sides.
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  This is a case of an Aris. So you only have to be 6th
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  fucking away all right from the 2 ends, the end or the tail,
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  whatever you call and he just points out though, but you're no
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  matter what, you're never allowed to plant your produce
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  underneath the vine. Yeah, if you're on it just
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  because it's even if there's no vine growing, it's certainly
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  under a vine and also any pole or extension that the vine will
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  grow onto in the future is already usser La Khadhila right
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  now. I have been in Shmuna Ahmed, but
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  Simpson now if there's exactly 8 so then ariza leiser al lasham.
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  So we say like Katkhila, it's Azar, right?
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  You need to have 8 the older your 160th so but the in Zaraha.
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  But if you planted there in that little 160th, No, no, sorry if
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  you planted anywhere there, but you only have to be 6th fucking
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  away if you planted anywhere over there, if it was exactly 8.
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  So that's the OK here. He can call Shura shisha talking
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  as long as it's at least 6 fucking away.
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  So that whole middle section which is about we'll say in this
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  case, 6 ammos hareza lokidesh. So it's aser bidi avid.
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  I'm sorry, it's aser Lakhila mutter to use it to eat it.
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  Bidi avid the EME anciam get there.
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  If there's no wall in that broken area, Marky, can you call
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  Shura Shishat Fahim? Then all you need is 6 Fahim
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  vizarrea and you can plant in those in that middle 6 Amos or
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  whatever is there no problem. Shane can lo Aris lo pisque Aris
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  because now there's no Aris whatsoever and there's no pisque
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  Aris. There's nothing there.
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  There's nothing even, there's no, there's no remnants.
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  So therefore there's no wall. So therefore you don't have to
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  look for eight Amos. You just have to go away from
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  the 6th Fahim and you're, you're totally good.
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  But Hazar Robana got there. Now if you came and you build it
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  again, then Khazar Aris and Komo Bhazar pisque Aris in Komen and
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  then it also you have the Komen. If you rebuild it now, even if
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  you didn't plant another vine yet or you're not going to, it
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  returns because that was your original Aris.
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  It returns to becoming PSK Aris and therefore you have to look
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  at you have to be you have to be 8 owed away by Katrila Fine
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  Samer Olive. Let's do another one.
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  Gina Katana Shimo Cafe together the Aras, the Aras of the Viva
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  MI Bahuts. I'll call, call Kot Leah.
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  So what's the case over here? You have your vineyard in the
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  middle of your vineyard. You, you have you make 4 walls.
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  You build 4 walls. The fence in the middle of your
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  vineyard. And what's the and it's well,
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  we're going to see what the minimum size Ginnaktana.
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  You make 4 walls. Inyeshba.
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  Malay boatser Vesalo mikan. Oh, Malay boatser Vesalo Mikan.
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  In other words, let's say you have a square.
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  We'll, we'll just call it a real simple case.
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  You have a square fence and in that square fence you have 4
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  walls. You want to plant in your entire
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  area. There's the vines go up to the
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  wall from the outside and inside this little enclosure, you want
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  to start planting your wheat or your vegetables up to the wall.
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  Can you do that? So you are allowed to if how big
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  as long as this ginak Tana is at least 4 by 4 Amos because you
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  have to have enough on each side of the wall, right?
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  Because you're surrounded from a vine on all sides.
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  So that means from both sides of your, your box or your, your
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  enclosure. When you're standing on the
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  inside, you have to have room for you to stand and do bitsira
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  to harvest your grapes. And this is a shear and you have
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  to have enough room to put down your basket on the floor, let's
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  say, or your whole and then put your grapes into the basket.
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  Each one you need at least an AMA, you know, so you can stand
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  and put down your basket. So from each side you need Malay
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  boat service solo your harvest. You're standing, harvesting and
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  putting it into your basket. So that's two on one side, 2 on
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  2 for the other wall and the other side behind, you know, for
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  the each wall, which means the middle must be at least 4 by 4
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  Amos. And we're talking about a wall
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  that's 10th vakimai. Exactly fine.
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  So then hoi al vihit mukafet get there since it's surrounded
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  Zorium vitoja, you're a coat. So then you can plant your
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  vegetables anywhere inside the main bakashir.
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  But if it's not 4x4, Amos. Is that aim zorin bitokha it's
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  user to plant in such a structure Biplanisha nira hako
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  ke Aris echo V yarek bitoko 'cause now it just looks like
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  it's if it's too small, it just looks like it's one big Arias or
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  vineyard and you're just and you know, planting vegetables within
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  it and that looks like kilai.