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Episode 148: When Life Falls Apart: Finding Hope After a Stage 4 Cancer Diagnosis · Get Savvy...Demystifying Healthcare

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  SPEAKER_03: So we do we do a bit of everything, but we don't kill the body.
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  SPEAKER_03: For me, chemo, the way I look at it now, chemo, yes, kills cancer, but also it kills the rest of the body.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: So it's really hard for the patient to come back from chemo.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I always find that people that have done that route sometimes get secondary cancer because the body's so weak after having the chemotherapy.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very blessed that I got declined chemo and radiation and surgery in Australia, and I'm very blessed that I found this clinic because today I feel healthier than when I was in my 20s, which is crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, hello everyone, and welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: When your world collapses, finding purpose after the fall.
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  SPEAKER_02: What happens when a terminal diagnosis, devastating betrayals, and the loss of everything you knew arrive almost all at once?
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you let it break you or do you turn your darkest chapter into a mission that helps others have hope?
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  SPEAKER_02: To help us get into this topic today is Emma Victoria Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_02: Emma is a stage four breast cancer survivor who was given a terminal prognosis and told she had months to live.
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  SPEAKER_02: Several other life occurrences happened as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: It could have broken her, but instead it gave her purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: Emma's mission is to give people hope, help them find treatment options, and make sure no one feels alone during the darkest time of their lives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the show, Emma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sandy, thank you so much for having me today.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is a pleasure to be on your show.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, I'm excited that you are here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why don't you start with telling us your story and how it's led you on the journey you're on today?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um March 2025, last year, um, I got diagnosed with stage four breast cancer that had gone into my lymph nodes and into my liver.
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  SPEAKER_03: The doctors in Australia offered me two chemo tablets a day palliative care and told me I'd probably have about 18 months to live on the pills.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I was offered no surgery, no chemo, no radiation because I was too far got at that point.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Or I was offered three months to live without the pills.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I decided to go searching and I was a woman on the mission looking for an alternative route to cure my body.
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  SPEAKER_03: The three months to live I was prepared to take because the 18 months living on the chemo pills that they offer is no life.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it would have been there was about 20,000 side effects on these pills.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I would have been bedridden for 18 months.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, what is the point?
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  SPEAKER_03: If I'm gonna die anyway, you know, there's no point keeping me bedridden for 18 months.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I went searching and I found Oasis of Hope Hospital who are curing me at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: My breast is clear, my lymph nodes are clear, I've just got a little stubborn spot left still in the liver, but I am almost cancer free.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yay! Oh my god, that's such good news.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you you get diagnosed and help me understand that because we often get a diagnosis like that, people kind of freeze and they think, Oh my goodness, what do I do next?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it and there were other life occurrences that you were dealing with on top of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how did you get the momentum to get past that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, I've got this devastating news.
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  SPEAKER_02: How did you find the courage to move forward?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, honestly, at first I was in denial.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure how many people that get diagnosed.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: I just went into complete denial.
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  SPEAKER_03: I did not believe that I had cancer.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I was very numb from the diagnosis.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then seven days later, my partner did leave because he said that he couldn't go through the journey with me anymore.
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  SPEAKER_03: After seven days, I mean, come on.
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  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, I think I found strength in the fact of being told I had three months to live.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: That gave me strength because I'm a very resilient person.
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  SPEAKER_03: The partner leaving added extra warrior strength, and I thought, do you know what?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna prove you all wrong.
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  SPEAKER_03: I felt healthy, I felt fit, I didn't feel sick.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of don't think I really believed it until I started treatment.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think I kind of thought, like, I feel if you feel okay, you don't believe you're sick.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: So my resilience and my fight came from within, and I believe God led me down the path and gave me the strength to do what I did.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm glad that you found that because that is uh hard on top of that.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to get my head around, you know, how you move forward on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So tell us about you you talked about, hey, I didn't want to take the traditional route of the two chemo pills.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: So you were determined, it sounds like to find a different way with Oasis of Hope and what is, I believe, integrative care.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: How did how did you go on this mission to find this this new path?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly, I went searching on the web.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was in a really dark place for about two days.
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  SPEAKER_03: I locked myself in my house.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: I went searching on the web looking for some sort of miracle cure.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I've watched way too many movies.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um I um a friend recommended, I was saying, you know, I'm looking for a clinic because there is a few different types of clinics out there that do alternative medicine.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: But Oasis of Hope do different alternative ingredient treatments compared to a lot of them.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: So here we do immunotherapy, but we also get cancer killing vaccines, and there's time there's five different types of vaccines that they do, which basically turn your body into a superhuman cancer warrior.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: So they build your immune system up so it bites against the cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that is one thing that Oasis offers that not many other clinics do.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I'm I haven't come to a wellness clinic where we drink green juice and walk on the grass and take the sunshine in because there are a few of those clinics around and that is not curing cancer.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: So here we have medicine, like I'm on a hormone blocker, which is Western medicine.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: So we do we do a bit of everything, but we don't kill the body.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So for me, chemo, the way I look at it now, chemo, yes, kills cancer, but also it kills the rest of the body.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it's really hard for the patient to come back from chemo.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I always find that people that have done that route sometimes get secondary cancer because the body's so weak after having the chemotherapy.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I am very blessed that I got declined chemo and radiation and surgery in Australia, and I'm very blessed that I found this clinic because today I feel healthier than when I was in my 20s, which is crazy.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you something.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: You just said several questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Declined care.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: I recognize, you know, that Australia care is very different from US care or Canadian care, wherever people listening.
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  SPEAKER_02: But do you were you denied because of your prognosis, were you denied care in Australia and just only given the tablets?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So basically, um I was denied chemo, denied radiation, denied surgery because the breast was 9.5 centimetres of a tumour.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had two lymph nodes infected, and I had five spots on my liver.
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  SPEAKER_03: So to do all that surgery, that's a lot of surgery for one person.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they said that where the spots were on the liver, they couldn't get to it with the surgery because they were so far in the liver.
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  SPEAKER_03: Surgery was off the tables, and then there was no point to do chemo because obviously, you know, people do chemo after surgery.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, they wrote me a death sentence, and at that point, it sounds crazy.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: I was willing to die within the three months if this hadn't have worked, because I didn't want to live 18 months of a of a life on two chemo tablets that were gonna kill me anyway.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I honestly believe God.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: I I sound so weird.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like I lost faith in God a long time ago.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know, my mom and dad died when I was quite young.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't believe anymore.
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  SPEAKER_03: Led led a life without faith.
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  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, now my religion is back, and I believe, I believe an angel or God has guided me to Oasis.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and even when I come here, I feel more I feel more close to faith and more close to God being at the clinic as well.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I I still am in shock of how good my results have been.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm over the moon and I can't wait to be cancer free.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I know I'll be cancer free.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I always feel like I have my listeners in my head and I can hear them saying, ask this question.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's my angel, probably working hard here.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: But here's my question.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you found Oasis of Hope.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: We talk about integrative medicine.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like this is their approach.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Help people understand what that is and what do they offer?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I believe you're in Tijuana, so Oasis of Hope is in Tijuana, Mexico.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So so a couple questions.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Let's start with this.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: What is integrative medicine?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: What makes it different from traditional?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: So um we call it immunotherapy.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: So we get all different kinds of vaccines: vitamin C, B17, vitamin K, IPT, mineral-based, depending on what the body's lacking.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: So at the moment, my body's lacking in copper, so I've got a copper IV.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: So every patient's IV treatments are different depending on what their body needs.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: But the B17 and the vitamin C and the vitamin K are the three main ones that cancer hates.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a strict there's a way that they do it here at the hospital where it it attacks the cancer in the body.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: We also go into a machine called hypothermia.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like a big spaceship, and you get into the machine and it raises your body temperature to 180 Fahrenheit and you sit in there for an hour.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: Again, cancer hates heat.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it really boosts your immune system and it weakens the cancer cells.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: So then when you go back into your IVs, the IVs are working better with your immune system.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then we do an infrared bed, an infrared light bed, which is really good for cellular repair.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: So everything that they do is a time structured timeline.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you do a treatment at a certain time on a certain day, all the way through until you get your vaccines.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then the vaccines are your main killer warrior cancer fighting machine.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: So then at the end of the patient's treatments, um, they'll get either the NK killer, the Dendritic, um, or the LAK, and they're all immunotherapy vaccines.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, think about it as they take a soldier out of your body from your blood, they take it down into a lab for seven days, and they build that blood work into 10,000 soldiers that then go back into the body and they fight all the cancer that's in the body.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: So they literally go straight to where the cancer is and start attacking it.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to tell you in the terms of like a patient, not a doctor, because a doctor's terms would be so different.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: For me, it's like, you know, I've got one little soldier and he gets turned into like a warrior, and then he goes in and he's like, boom, cancer, boom.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, that's my way of describing it.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: A doctor would tell you so much different, but for me, it's about building the immune system.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: I do through three different vaccines.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Lots of people only do one or two vaccines, and it all depends on what kind of cancer you've got and how far gone you are.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let me ask you, speaking of the doctors, so are these doctors at Oasis of Hope?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Are they uh on a mission to get outside of traditional medicine and study new approaches to cancer?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because we know traditional medicine is is not working completely.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: So is that what these doctors?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think you mentioned Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Contreras.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well I believe in your prior.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, this clinic's actually been around for over 60 years.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: So Dr.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Contreras' dad opened this clinic um 60 years ago, and Dr.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: Contreras obviously has taken over from his dad.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: So integrative medicine and immunotherapy has been around for such a long time, but we've just never known of it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um and every, you know, every couple of months there's a new treatment that they find, or a new vitamin, or a new uh a new vaccine.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: So that they're always renewing things and different ways of of killing cancer.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: I just think we don't really know about this because, you know, government America, Australia, England, cancer is a number one billion dollar marketing making for them.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, these places in Tijuana, we don't really hear about them.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they're almost like a little secret safe haven that we're not told about.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: So this clinic has been around for 60 years, and I've met a lot of people in my visits.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: This is my seventh time here, and I've met a lot of people that have been cancer free for 10 years and that have come back to the clinic and had like a bit of a reservice, you know, just to give the body a bit of a reservice and they've been cancer free for 10 years or five years.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like it's been a little bit of a secret safe haven that not many people have known about, hence why you've got me now talking about it and trying to let people know about Oasis of Hope because I should be dead and I'm alive because of them today, and I just wish more people knew about it.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let me ask you the question that is likely on a lot of people's mind.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: And there's nothing, of course, we wouldn't do to be with our family and have a longer life and all of the above.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Is it incredibly expensive?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Is there it's in Tijuana, so it's likely they're not gonna take insurance.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: How how does someone afford this?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, actually, um, there are some insurance companies in America that do pay 75% of the bills.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: So quite a lot of patients can get money from their insurance.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm I'm obviously not from America, so I I don't know the ins and outs of it, but I do know that patients that have been here have been insurance company that have paid for the medical bills.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: So that's worth looking into for anyone that is thinking about alternative route.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: The the the American government do actually help, but anywhere else in the world, unfortunately, we do have to pay.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: And there's no insurance in Australia, there's no insurance in Europe or England.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, the rest of the world, unfortunately, um, you know, I to sell my business, sell my car, um, sell everything that I owned.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I'd rather do that and be alive.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I took my pension out, you know.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: Apparently you allowed your pension at like 65, and I took it out at 43 because I obviously was meant to die, so they gave it to me.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I've been lucky to be able to bring the money together.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Also, my um where I had a business in Australia, a local pub um did a fundraiser for me.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: So they raised 270,000 to help me survive.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I've been living off funds and selling things.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I've been extremely lucky to fight the fight and be able to do that.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: But anyone in America who's got the right insurance can get help, which I think is fantastic.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: So well done American government people that have allowed that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's fantastic that that that so the clinic, you are there is my mainly American people that are here.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's yeah, I reckon it's like 80% American people come here over, you know, Europeans and Australians, because obviously we do have to pay the full bill.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: But let me tell you, it has been worth every single penny of my life, and I'm here today, ready to start a new life again, and that feels great.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for your openness and sharing that, because it it is definitely something I know that would be be top of mind for folks.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for sharing.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: What would you say to people who on that fence going through that shock in terms of that advocacy for yourself?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: We understand there are hardships, but at the end of the day, we're wherever you are, you always have to advocate for yourself when it comes to health care.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and sometimes that goes beyond the traditional things, kind of seeing beyond.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: What would you tell people who are kind of stuck in that place and not satisfied with the care they're currently getting?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: I would say um to listen to your inner self and find hope and definitely not listen to other people because other people have lots of opinions and it's your body.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I generally believe that when we look inside of ourselves, we find the answers that we need and not listen to other people.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Because people told me I was crazy to come to Tijuana.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, I got told all sorts, and I was like, I'm listening to my gut feeling, and my heart is telling me to go.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I believe strongly that anyone that's out there that is is is on the fence and thinking differently, you've just got to look inside yourself and find the answers, and you will find them.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now you're working on a mission.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: What's on the horizon for you?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: I know you're working on to turning that trauma into purpose.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us more about what you're doing with that.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, firstly, I have to get cancer free.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: So my mission is by Christmas, because that was gonna be my Christmas present to myself.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm also writing a book at the moment about my life and journey, and which is about hope, inspiration, fight, survival.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: I hope someday it can give someone hope that, you know, has ever been in my position.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm looking at hopefully getting my own podcast show together, and um just basically reaching out to people and helping people that need help.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: So my Instagram page is open all the time to anybody that wants to ask any questions, whether it be Western medicine, oasis, another clinic, diet, advice.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: My DMs are always open.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think I found a new purpose.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: When I feel like I'm helping people, it gives me more fight and strength for myself.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: So people are helping me as well by me helping them.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, isn't an interesting turn in in your life?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Your life is so different before your pre-diagnosis life.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in fact, let's just go there.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Your pre-diagnosis life versus your post-diagnosis life.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: How would you define that?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, my pre-diagnosis, I had a business, I was very comfortable in life.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: I thought I was happy, I was in a seven-year relationship, I had stepchildren, I lived a normal life, you know, could eat what I wanted.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I did drink alcohol, wasn't an alcoholic, but I liked to drink here and there.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Then when I got cancer, my life changed very much so.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: No longer lived a busy lifestyle, no longer have a partner or stepchildren.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um I put myself first now.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: My main battle is to beat cancer.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: So every day I wake up and I'm right, let's go.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's time.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I found hope.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: I've found faith.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: I actually feel happier now than I did in my old life.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think in my old life I had blinkers on.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: I thought I was living a normal day life.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: I thought I was, you know, the white picket fence.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: This is how life was meant to be.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: A year on, I am so much happier now with stage four cancer than I was when I was living the rat race of a normal life.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was a hamster on a reel, you know, working, working, socializing, you know, life was very busy.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: I wake up, I'm grateful every single day.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: I wake up and look at the sky every single day and I say, Thank you, God, for another day.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I use My day as though it's my last day on earth, and I'm so grateful for that.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: What a testimony.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'm sorry that you had to go through that to get there, but I do believe in angels and God winks.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: And and I do, I believe this has been a mission, a hard one certainly, but one that you are conquering with your soldiers and your fight.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: As we draw to a close, and we'll make sure and link to your Instagram and Oasis of Hope.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: But what are some final thoughts that you would like to leave listeners with?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: I would like to say please never give up on hope.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: Please believe in yourself.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Please always listen to your inner voice, inner self, put yourself.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you've got cancer, you need to put yourself first.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: That is a must.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: You have to be selfish because otherwise you are not going to be able to beat this.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: And my Instagram is always open for anyone to see on me and to live life to the full and be for grateful for every day that you wake up, be grateful for another day.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for that.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh, here's what I'm going to put out there.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because once you get your podcast started and your book, I want to bring you back on the show to tell your positive story of being cancer free and showcasing your book.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because I would love to hear more of the follow-on story.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because I believe or mood or happening for you.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: I would love that, Sandy.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for your time.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I cannot wait to get this podcast posted.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's an amazing story.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for your time today.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Sandy.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: I enjoyed having Emma on the show.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Such an inspirational story, and I am so grateful that she is so inspired to help others understand the journey and the power of seeking alternative options.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: To learn more about Emma, check out her Instagram page.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: I've linked to it in the show notes.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: I also provided the link to Oasis of Hope Hospital so you can research and check out all of the services that they offer.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: And here's a bonus.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: I am so excited.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: I actually have an upcoming interview with Dr.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Francisco Contreras, the founder of Oasis of Hope Hospital.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: The interview will be posted later this year, so make sure you're following the show so you don't miss that episode.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: In our next episode, it is that time of the year at the time of this recording where open enrollment starts for individuals and families November 1st to pick insurance for 2027.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: And that often feels like a very frustrating puzzle every year because it seems that premiums go up, deductibles climb, and you're likely left wondering, am I paying more for less?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: And how do I know which plan is the best one for my family?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: I am bringing on Tom Kreenan on the show.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: He is a licensed insurance agent in life, property, casualty, and health.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: And he is a registered professional engineer as well.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: He actually founded Colorado Health.com in 1996, so he has 30 years of experience in the business.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: So we're going to ask him all those questions and get some great tips so that you can be informed and make the best decision for you and your family.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you joined us for that episode to make sure you have the information you need.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, get savvy.