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The obsessive occult motherly love of Leonarda Cianciulli that drove her family apart · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey, everybody into your killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom!
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  Hey, my name is Brian winner and this is when Killers, get
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  And this weekend True Crime. I want to talk about the
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  murtaugh's. Oh my God.
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  Okay, okay, it's it's popping up in my circle because I got
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  friends, down in South Carolina, everybody asks me on every live
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  stream. So, for those of you who might
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  not know or might be abroad, there is a mystery unraveling
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  and Hampton County, South Carolina.
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  So the murders obvious wealthy established family known for
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  their presence in the legal. Like, will your community.
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  And it wasn't even until 2019, that anybody really knew
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  anything about them. They were just this quiet rich
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  family. So in 2015, there is a young
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  gay, man named Stephen Smith, who is found in the middle of a
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  County Road. It's ruled a hit-and-run, but
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  the corner argues that this is not a hit-and-run.
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  This seems like a homicide. Hmm, hmm.
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  That's one of the ones tied to this family.
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  According to several people who were interviewed the victim,
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  who's 19 could have been killed by Buster murtagh.
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  That would be currently deceased Buster.
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  Who is the son of Elder Murtaugh?
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  He's the older of two sons and his family name was mentioned
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  nine, different times in the - report on Steven Smith's, aha.
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  See you getting interested. I see you, Brian.
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  So Richard, Alec murdaugh attorney resigned, four days
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  ago, five days ago, and he was accused of siphoning millions of
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  dollars from the law firm that was started by his
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  great-grandfather on Saturday of that same week.
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  He called 911 to report that he had been shot in the head while
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  he was changing a tire on the side of the road.
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  The head wound ended up being simple superficial, and he was
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  airlifted to the hospital. He's been released, and now he's
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  saying that he's going to rehab. This is It's just Madness.
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  Bouquet February, 26, 2008 een. Glorious Satterfield died and a
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  trip and fall accident in Hampton County and court
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  documents named Richard. As the only defendant in the
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  case, his insurance paid the 57 year olds family, five hundred
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  thousand dollars for personal liability in a wrongful death
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  suit, February 24th, 2018. Mallory Beach goes.
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  After a boat crash in which Paul murder was driving a week lady.
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  Her body was found April 18th, 2019, Palmer doll was charged
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  with boating Under the Influence.
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  He was piloting, captaining this boat three times the legal limit
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  the boat was owned by his father and it was a The name of the
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  boat was bad, boys. Oh my God and it currently
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  resides in. Edisto South Carolina, cringe on
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  June 7th. This year, Alec murder, Richard,
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  Alec murder, discovers the body of his wife, Maggie 52 and his
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  son. Paul 22 at the family's
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  Seventeen Hundred Acre hunting lodge and Colton County, three
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  days before then there had been a court-ordered mediation in the
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  wrongful death suit against Paul.
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  And that had been canceled and the case was going to a real
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  trial. No, hearing, we're going
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  straight to trial June 8th, Colton County officials released
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  a statement at this time. There's no danger to the public
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  and the family offered 100 thousand dollar information for
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  the like reward for their deaths.
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  Then June 23rd this year at 30 shared that based on the
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  information gathered in the murder investigation.
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  They said it looked they were looking into the 2015 death of
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  Stephen Smith in Hampton County my God and then a couple days
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  ago on Nancy Grace a reporter named, Matt Harris said that
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  before her death, his wife, Maggie Murdock, had hired a
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  forensic accountant. There is literally now a podcast
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  just called the murdaugh family. Murders, people who are
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  following this. Yeah, people want my opinion on
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  it but I'm like, this is a big thing that's happening.
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  It's happening right now in the midst of like, yeah.
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  Can you imagine just being alive when these big things?
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  Oh my God, it's crazy. Well, we were when we were
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  little, I know we were talking about the Monica Lewinsky and
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  yeah, Clinton stuff. I remember that.
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  But I was little, you know, sale, even same thing and just
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  really enough for recording today, on September 11th.
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  I was in. I was my first week of high
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  school when September 11th happened.
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  Yeah, that was my, my my last year.
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  Yeah, that's your middle school. So yes, this is so weird.
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  Like these are all things that they happen.
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  We were younger but I'm like This murder case.
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  It's not done yet. No.
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  Gonna get blown wide open and I'm very interested in seems so
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  wild. Because here's my thing, there's
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  their kid be coincidence that this family is tied to so much
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  stuff. My bet is on Richard Alec.
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  Hmm, I think he's the center of the problem here and I think he
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  got everybody else hurting his family.
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  Yeah. I mean, I sounds like his sons
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  were, you know, typical affluenza teams did wrong stuff,
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  and then he He got rid of it with my covered it up.
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  Yeah. Be covered it up.
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  I mean some people are saying, you know maybe the families of
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  some of those people who were killed Conspired against him.
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  That seems a little far-fetched to me, though.
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  It would be incredible, if that was really what it was.
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  I don't think it's that far-fetched.
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  I can see that happening. You could see it like, okay,
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  Rich family, and this in our town, kills someone in your
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  family, or in extended family. I don't see my family because my
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  family is coming. Am I think your family's gonna
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  hire someone to try and kill him?
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  No, they're gonna come hunt them themselves?
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  Oh, wow. I need you on my team that's
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  because I don't have a whole lot of family, so I need somebody to
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  hunt. If I get harmed, they got you.
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  But yeah, I had to put it all in, like a little chronological
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  order in my notes because I was like, this is becoming a lot of
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  information now that that's crazy.
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  And I remember his, his accidental, his shooting in the
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  hand, someone shot him in the head.
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  Yeah. And then, I remember someone
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  saying that it seemed like it was staged.
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  All right. Great.
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  Because like they were talking about that on the life should
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  neither. Did I think you heard us talking
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  about that? Yeah, it honestly because it
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  only grazed his head. Yeah, it does kind of sound like
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  me, but, I mean, they would have tested his hands for gunpowder.
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  Yeah. Maybe he hired someone to do,
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  right? Maybe, I mean, he does have the
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  money to do it, but I'm interested in the fact that
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  like, he gets out of the hospital and immediately I'm
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  going to rehab, I'm going to rehab.
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  Also my company, my family business is filing a lawsuit
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  saying that, I siphoned, Millions upon millions of
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  dollars from our business He stole from him.
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  So there's so much going on. How do you even do that?
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  But I just feel you know, obviously feel bad for the
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  extended family. Like Jesus.
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  There's only one living son left.
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  Mmm. Yeah It's gotta feel so bad his
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  older brother and his mom died. A couple of months ago and
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  everything's looking like it's pointing to his father as the
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  reason why it happened or the one that did it.
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  That's just I've been watching on Discovery plus.
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  Yeah, this show called living with evil.
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  Like, evil lives here. I can't remember the exact so
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  familiar, but it's about people who were close to people, who
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  did horrible things. It's, it's My empathy is
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  overflowing here. I feel so bad for those people
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  like, or somebody being like, my brother did this horrible stuff?
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  And I never realized, I thought he was always joking, right?
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  Yeah, he was telling me like he wanted.
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  He came in and was like, I killed somebody, and she was
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  like, whatever, shut up. And then she finds out Ten Years
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  Later that he's implicated in another murder and the police
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  are like has your brother ever done anything?
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  And finally, she's like, well yeah, one time like 10 years ago
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  he told me. He murdered a girl when we lived
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  here. And they go look into it and
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  there's like bodies in the backyard like I just feel, so
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  awful, you feel awful for everybody connected to it.
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  It's one of the reasons why when I try and do my stories on
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  Tick-Tock. I try to like give like after or
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  even when I do them here I try to explain like what happened
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  after this happen. Yeah.
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  How did this affect these other people?
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  What happened? What went on with their lives
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  but interest I mean not surprisingly.
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  It's sometimes really hard to find information about those
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  people. They change their names.
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  Take off the radar. They don't want to be contacted
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  by anybody in the True Crime community and you know what?
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  I'll give you your peace. Yeah they don't want that.
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  Dredged up at all. Yeah I understand that.
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  Interestingly enough, the woman who was dating what's his name?
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  I don't like him. Ted Bundy, she has.
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  She collects all of the books about her and him.
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  She just wants to know what people think about it.
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  Oh, she's like remarried to a another person.
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  She's just like this was a weird time in my life and I don't
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  know. He was thinking about.
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  Yeah, she just wants to know, and I think that's so
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  intriguing, because I feel like if I was in her shoes that I was
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  dating, someone who killed like, 36 women confirmed, I would just
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  be, like, I give up on dating also.
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  I don't want to hear his name ever again.
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  Want to hear my name in his knee and say yeah but she finds the
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  the fervor interesting, huh? I got yelled at on YouTube for
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  writing about doing a video. About the Hart family murders.
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  And I was like the mom of three of the kids, the birth mom of
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  three of the kids asked me to cover it.
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  She's like, you're over here faking crying.
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  I was like, yeah, it's the first video that ever recorded where I
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  teared up and specifically at the part where I said that two
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  of the children's bodies have never been found.
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  I was like, I only did it because she asked me to,
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  otherwise, I wouldn't have covered it because it's still a
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  traumatic case to think about. I don't understand why people
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  adopt children. And then do horrible, do
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  horrible things to them. And like we made fun of that
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  lady who, like adopted that kid on YouTube and then gave them
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  back to Asia. But like, you know what, maybe
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  that's the better thing, if you realize you can't do the job
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  past that child back to the foster care system.
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  Yeah. Unfortunately.
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  It sucks, but at least it'll be alive construe.
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  But we got way off topic. Sorry, tell me about your true
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  crime case of the week that you found that happened recently.
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  Okay, well a warning goes out to everybody in Manhattan.
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  Oh, women wait, another, where we just talking about a serial
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  killer in Georgia, we were but this isn't a serial killer,
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  okay? This is a I guess you would call
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  him as hero bro, /. Oh no.
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  Yeah. So those are common.
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  Amen. Riding on a moped is going
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  around and groping women in Manhattan, that lower Manhattan.
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  One of his victims was actually an 11 year old girl.
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  Oh no. Oh yeah.
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  That's atrocious. Yeah.
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  So it's been happening. It says, at least nine victims.
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  Hmm, since August 2nd. Oh wow.
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  So only, I'm like, a month and a half.
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  Yeah. So what he does is he I guess he
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  rides around, he circles his victim like as stupid creepy
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  shark. Hey like okay creepy pervert
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  shark Kirk and baby pervert shark, got you, and then he, you
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  know, he's on his moped into the ground.
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  Then he goes in, and he just grabs a breast or whatever he
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  can, and he speeds off. There are pictures of this man.
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  There's actually a video of him too.
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  You can't see his face because he's wearing like, you know,
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  mask in a hood but he rides a red and black moped.
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  And there he is, there he is. All you see his eyes.
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  Well yeah, criminals are using the mask mandate to their
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  advantage and there's less people on the street than there
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  would be used to. Like there used to be, this is
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  true. So there's probably much less
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  traffic in New York because a lot of people are still working
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  from home. So you have less Witnesses.
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  And it's easier for you to get away.
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  Think about it. You've been in New York.
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  A lot of times it's near impossible for even a green
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  light for you to cry. Oh yeah.
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  To go. So, like normal Times Square 2
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  years ago, time, you know, around those areas are rough,
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  but now it's very empty. I've seen videos of people
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  walking around New York. It's a lot emptier than it was.
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  I would love that. I was there one time for
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  Christmas hated it. Never going back around
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  Christmas. Too many people.
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  I hate busyness. But So yeah, his first, his
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  first attack was on August 2nd. It was a 34 year old woman, just
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  freaking weird and then his latest attack Was a September
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  7th. The but slasher of Virginia got
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  this weird. Yeah.
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  Like what are you doing? And Crime Stoppers NYPD is the
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  Crime. Stoppers are offering it.
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  Three thousand five hundred dollar reward.
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  For any tips, leading to his capture of Stoppers is
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  efficient. Oh yeah, definitely earlier this
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  year, this Hispanic lady was just walk in and somebody like
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  walked up and grabbed one of her kids.
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  She ran over and she yanked like she pulled her child out of the
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  window of the car. Hmm.
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  Like a badass. Yeah.
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  And then Crime Stoppers like posted the video of that
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  happening. And like, within like ours, they
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  had one of the guys in the car and they were like, who are you
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  there with? And he Like I was there with my
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  dad and somebody else's in the car who didn't know they were
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  going to do it. And that person just drove away
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  and I was like, listen. Gotta love when the community
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  comes together. It's amazing.
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  So, If somebody knows who he is, they gonna find out.
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  Yeah, I mean his youngest was the 11 year old but baby There's
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  a 15 year old girl as well. That guy gropes.
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  Oh I don't know if he's targeting younger women but it's
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  my these seem like opportunity attacks, you know.
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  Yeah, he sees someone, he likes and he's just like, well it's
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  the issue that we have in the states where they're like she's
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  tall has breasts obviously woman and I'm like no that's not how
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  that works at all. I was like 5, 8 and 10 years
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  old. I've been the same height since
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  I was like 10. Just because I'm a tall.
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  Does it mean I'm a grown-up? Yeah.
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  Don't assume my age. Listen, there's always says like
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  situations where, you know, people are like well you know,
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  she wished she told you she was 18 and like maybe you should
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  talk to somebody before you like engage with them in that way.
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  Yeah. Like have a conversation.
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  Who knows? But I would never take anyone
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  who I felt looked a little young at face value.
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  Let me see that idea because you real quick, make sure that's
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  real. I'm a card you before we can go
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  on a date. That was definitely interesting.
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  Yeah, awful. Terrible.
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  Just keep an eye out and big cities, have a lot of weirdos.
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  Yeah, I have a lot of horror stories of late night buses from
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  Philadelphia. People just get on there and do
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  weird stuff. I imagine I can imagine.
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  So yeah. Well this week's episode is
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  about we're going to Europe again but not hungry.
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  Actually going to Italy. Okay, so this guy is early
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  Italian. Serial killer, who was a woman,
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  she's known as the soap maker of coraggio, and she murdered seven
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  women in the city of Karachi. Oh, Reggio Emilia and turn their
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  bodies into soap and tea cakes. Yeah, I kind of figured.
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  That's where this was going. It's an injury.
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  It's actually really perplexed. In case of a woman who is very
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  mentally ill. Assessed with witchcraft and
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  folk magic and human sacrifice and Superstition of the occult.
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  You gotta love it. A little little crisscross with
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  what year usually talking about. It's good.
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  So, her name is lonardo Qin, qiu Li, and she was born in
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  Montella, Aveeno and South Italy on April 1884, her parents well,
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  okay, I know I only said one line, but her mom was a million
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  did no fee. And she was considered to be one
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  of the most beautiful women in Montella.
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  She was young. She was near the age when women
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  get married. She's a great reputation and her
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  parents were receiving all these Dowry requests.
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  She was set to be like the ideal 1894 woman of Italy.
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  So not his father Mary Ellen, Mariano was not a good man.
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  He was poor and so was his family.
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  He was older mean and transient. They only met at all because of
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  her bad fortune. Honestly.
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  Murrieta saw her in a crowd and developed a very unhealthy
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  obsession with her, he began following her around Montella
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  and he would watch her as she enjoyed her, high-class life and
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  happiness and he actually really hate her.
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  He decided he was going to take her down a Peg and ruin her and
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  make her just like him. A man, that nobody wanted.
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  Oh my God, this whole Carol. So one night Amelia had gone on
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  a chaperone dinner with a man who wanted to marry her.
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  And it was pretty custom at the time that one of the family like
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  half of the family was there so Amelia's family wasn't there.
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  The her suitors family was there watching their date.
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  Okay. And the dinner wasn't that far
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  from her house so she kind of Waved the man and his family off
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  and walked home alone Mariano grabbed her and dragged her into
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  a field. At first, she thought she was
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  being robbed and so she explained to him, like, I don't
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  have a wallet and I have a purse.
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  She was very young and naive and she had no idea about sex other
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  than this is a people. This is the thing people do
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  after weddings. She wasn't proud, she probably
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  wasn't entirely sure what was happening to her other than just
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  she was in pain, she Was assaulted.
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  She like I said, she understand what happened to her.
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  She left the field and walked home in pain.
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  She was definitely a shame because she was grow.
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  She grew up very Catholic, she cleaned herself off before her
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  family could see her, you know, throughout her clothes because
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  it was covered in mud and blood. And she continued talking any
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  money. She didn't wanna let her mom
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  know, right? She went to town events and
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  Rihanna watched from the sidelines that he was like, did
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  it work? He wanted to see if she was
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  gonna call the police and he knew that he had made some
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  effect on her because whenever she would be walking in town and
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  see him her face would turn white and she would just
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  immediately walk away. We so she saw his face.
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  She knew it was she knew it was. Wow, you're just out there
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  braised and boy. Okay.
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  It was until she began to show that things changed her mother
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  noticed, it first and her parents confronted her and we're
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  like Which of these boys that you've been cordoned, got you
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  pregnant and she was like, no, no, it's not like that.
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  Mary threatened to go house to house to all of the guys that
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  she had been talking to. And Grill all of them.
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  And finally, she told her parents that she had been raped
• 22:06
  by an older man in town on her way home from a date and that
• 22:10
  his name was Mariano. Her parents knew immediately who
• 22:13
  this guy was? And they were pretty upset, but
• 22:16
  the next night they brought him to their house to speak with him
• 22:21
  and it was, how are you going to make this, right?
• 22:25
  Her parents are like you have to marry him.
• 22:28
  No. He, of course accepted because
• 22:30
  he's like, bet my ticket to the big times, they rushed the
• 22:36
  ceremony. And this totally breaks Amelia's
• 22:41
  heart and dream of having a wedding and all these things.
• 22:44
  She thought she was going to have the two hadn't even spoken
• 22:47
  since the night that they saw it happen.
• 22:50
  And she didn't talk to him during the wedding either.
• 22:52
  And then her parents quietly, pushed her out of their house
• 22:56
  into a crappy home and the poorest part of town, it was
• 23:00
  much less than she was used to and even less than Mariano had
• 23:03
  growing up. So it was a major culture shock
• 23:05
  Place had no furniture. Bathroom was an outhouse that
• 23:08
  they shared with other people on the Block Mariano, did he have a
• 23:12
  job? What you doing?
• 23:16
  Why make him marry her? Why make her marry him?
• 23:18
  Because being a woman without a husband who had a baby?
• 23:22
  I'm here. An outcast.
• 23:24
  I don't care what he did. Oh my God, and then and then you
• 23:28
  make it her move in with him and his crappy house.
• 23:30
  You could his meat as move into your guest house or something
• 23:33
  like that. Know your ass is how he was, but
• 23:35
  they were rich and he was a bum. Can't have the bomb.
• 23:38
  Okay, fine. Here's what I'm thinking.
• 23:40
  Groaning, the chinchilla named keep him at his house and they
• 23:43
  stay at their house but they're still married, no fee.
• 23:45
  Named Amelia was too noisy, just just keep them separately,
• 23:49
  living together and then you're good to go.
• 23:52
  Listen, at that point. I wouldn't have even let my
• 23:55
  thought process would have been a million is really ill right
• 23:58
  now. She would have had that baby
• 24:01
  insight and private. Hmm, Nobody would know.
• 24:07
  And I would very quietly in the middle of the night as her
• 24:10
  mother take that baby to an orphanage.
• 24:14
  She would recover and then we would go back to accepting them,
• 24:17
  dowries. Oh my God, I'm just saying of
• 24:21
  the time. That's what they're doing of the
• 24:23
  time of the time. Yes, that's what I guess.
• 24:27
  That's what they should have done.
• 24:30
  But of course, you come across the next part.
• 24:32
  Obviously Amelia had no desire to have sex with her rapist and
• 24:36
  so he continued to rape her, and he would beat her when the house
• 24:40
  wasn't clean enough. Because he thought she was being
• 24:42
  defiant because she didn't like him.
• 24:44
  He didn't realize that. Literally.
• 24:46
  This like, 19 year old girl was raised in a household where she
• 24:51
  never cleaned anything in her entire life.
• 24:54
  She had servants dummy. You ruined her life jacket.
• 25:01
  From the jump. The neighbors saw this is like
• 25:06
  one of the wealthy Elite kind of, you know, getting their
• 25:08
  comeuppance. So high society turn their backs
• 25:11
  on her. Poor people were like, we don't
• 25:16
  really want to listen to the rich girl, complain about her.
• 25:19
  Husband beating her her mom, like she would sometimes go see
• 25:23
  talk to her mom, her mom listen to her and was just like, I
• 25:27
  really can't help you. Amelia why not?
• 25:30
  And the worst part is that they kept saying the same thing you
• 25:33
  gave up your Purity to the wrong, man.
• 25:35
  I'm like David up. I didn't do nothing.
• 25:40
  So I explained all that to explain you, that this is the
• 25:42
  world that Leonardo was born into April 18th 1894, okay?
• 25:48
  Mariana wasn't even there. He was off.
• 25:50
  Drinking, Amelia was all alone. She ended up walking out into
• 25:53
  the street and like finally saw someone saw how Pitiful.
• 25:56
  She was and sent a midwife to her.
• 25:59
  The labor was long and hard and she almost she barely registered
• 26:03
  that she even had a child. The first few days is pretty
• 26:06
  traumatic for her. She kind of laid in the house
• 26:09
  with the baby attached to her and she was just like, hmm.
• 26:14
  He really did ruin my life. Now, Mariano and Amelia, and the
• 26:22
  baby have to move a lot over the next couple of years.
• 26:26
  Mainly because of non-payment of rent, Mariana didn't seem to
• 26:30
  care. He'd find another slum to move
• 26:32
  into set up shop. Go drinking Amelia, and
• 26:36
  Leonardo. Only really surprised like
• 26:38
  survive because of the kindness of the church.
• 26:40
  The local Catholic Church would reach out to get a million
• 26:43
  supplies or food and she found that to be rather shameful but
• 26:47
  she needed the help. She didn't really have a lot of
• 26:50
  power as a parent or in her relationship and I think, you
• 26:55
  know where this is going. Hmm, based on some of our recent
• 26:58
  podcast, lovely episodes that you've done before we can Nanny.
• 27:04
  And so a lot of that, powerlessness manifested itself
• 27:09
  as anger and frustration towards Leonardo.
• 27:13
  She was like, literally Darter was beat for the smallest
• 27:16
  mishaps, even when she was just a toddler constantly.
• 27:19
  Critiqued, and every awful thing that a million wanted to say to
• 27:24
  her husband, she pushed towards the child.
• 27:28
  She would rage across her daughter during the day and then
• 27:31
  get raped at Night by her husband.
• 27:35
  It was like one time Mariano didn't come home and she was
• 27:40
  kind of relieved. She'd even noticed it first
• 27:43
  because he would go on these drinking binges.
• 27:45
  But finally, after a couple days, not because she cared
• 27:48
  about him because she felt like she had to.
• 27:51
  She grabbed the baby and went out into the streets to look for
• 27:53
  him. Finds him in one of his friends
• 27:55
  house. He's sick feverish passed out,
• 27:58
  hadn't woken up. They were to Ford portal for the
• 28:00
  doctor but honestly I don't think she would have given a
• 28:03
  damn sent to keep that man alive.
• 28:06
  I wouldn't his friends. Picked him up.
• 28:08
  Took him back to the house. There, he stayed in his All a
• 28:12
  coma until he died. Giving Amelia the respite of
• 28:17
  being a widow. Well she is she's free from now
• 28:21
  she can have the lifestyle she always wanted right.
• 28:23
  Yeah right. No.
• 28:41
  I'll give that a second though. Lonardo didn't really have a lot
• 28:45
  of memories of him because he died when she was like three.
• 28:48
  She did. Remember the funeral though, and
• 28:51
  how her mother had her stand by the graveside as both?
• 28:54
  Okay, I can tell you a lot of this is good.
• 28:56
  Come from Leonardo's, Memoirs that she wrote while she was in
• 28:59
  prison, though. There's some of it that I leave
• 29:02
  out because I feel like she embellished a little bit.
• 29:04
  Okay. She talked about A being like a
• 29:07
  Sex Fiend, like a month, just the most seductive woman of all
• 29:10
  time. I'm like, we're going to leave
• 29:12
  those details out Leonardo because I don't think that
• 29:15
  really happened. A lot of other people don't
• 29:17
  either. I compared her story to other
• 29:19
  people's stories of her and the things that didn't line up have
• 29:23
  not been at it today is but I guess.
• 29:25
  Okay, cool that what she said in her Memoir, was that when the
• 29:30
  funeral was over, Her mother spat on his grave and said that
• 29:36
  man was a pig and it's the for the best that we're rid of him.
• 29:40
  Yeah. So Amelia thought she'd get to
• 29:43
  go back to her family's estate because Marianas dead.
• 29:46
  Yeah, that didn't happen. Her family had turned their back
• 29:50
  on her entirely and locals were like kind of treating her like a
• 29:53
  cautionary. Tale don't have sex before
• 29:56
  marriage or you'll end up like a million Jin Zhu Li I was
• 29:59
  assaulted motherfuckers. American really only do one
• 30:05
  thing and that was look for a new husband.
• 30:08
  Sure. There was nobody Rich who was
• 30:09
  going to take her but middle class.
• 30:11
  Hey, we can do that. This wasn't really good for a
• 30:14
  million either because she kept meeting man.
• 30:16
  Who either wanted to have sex with her before they got into
• 30:19
  their arranged marriages. Or they were kind of defective
• 30:23
  because they maybe they'd already gone to prison.
• 30:24
  So they were unmarriageable men. Okay after a while she was just
• 30:29
  like yeah I'm sure she was just like you know what?
• 30:31
  Who at this point they already think poorly of Of me, I might
• 30:35
  as well give them something to talk about.
• 30:37
  So Amelia second husband. Well he at least had a job,
• 30:41
  okay. He had impressed him Million by
• 30:43
  spending very lavishly on her and she didn't take that as a
• 30:47
  red flag because he very frequently spent all of his
• 30:52
  money very quickly after they got married.
• 30:56
  This was almost worse than of it with Mariano for leonarda
• 30:58
  because it was very feast or famine with her stepdad.
• 31:03
  Her mom fed her based on the food that she and her husband
• 31:06
  brought back from the meals that they got when they went out on
• 31:09
  the town. Her mom's still abused her.
• 31:13
  Her stepfather didn't seem to really register her at all.
• 31:18
  Not surprisingly when Leonardo was not even a teenager.
• 31:22
  The first time she tried to kill herself, she tried to hang
• 31:25
  herself in the Raptors Rafters of their Farmhouse.
• 31:28
  The news came apart because it was made of dirty bedding.
• 31:32
  She did Crush, her, larynx temporarily.
• 31:35
  So she couldn't even talk for like a week, but it wasn't like
• 31:37
  anybody noticed because they all ignored her, she tried.
• 31:42
  Again A year later, trying to hang herself.
• 31:44
  Again she survived Amelia only seem to care about Leonardo when
• 31:51
  Amelia start talking about marriage because for the time
• 31:56
  Leonardo was considered to be very beautiful.
• 31:58
  Just like her mother. And a lot of men were becoming
• 32:01
  interested. The Montel Community didn't seem
• 32:04
  to hold leonarda accountable for her, mother's mistakes.
• 32:08
  And so wealthy men were willing to talk and potentially Mary
• 32:12
  Leonardo. Now this starts when she's like
• 32:15
  16 Okay, she's a young pure beautiful.
• 32:19
  Girl. She's from the Denali bloodline.
• 32:21
  They're very wealthy. She'd been raised without money
• 32:24
  so she didn't have any of the like snobbish behavior that the
• 32:28
  lot of the rich girls in town had, right?
• 32:30
  Right. Kind of acting like a regular
• 32:32
  person. So Amelia very happily went on
• 32:35
  all of these dates with her daughter, enjoying the expensive
• 32:38
  meals and the nice places. She was having so much fun that
• 32:43
  she didn't realize that Leonardo was dating in secret.
• 32:47
  And that's that's a big problem. Oh well.
• 32:50
  Here's the problem though. Remember I told you that the the
• 32:52
  men interested in marrying her story when she's 16.
• 32:54
  Yeah. All of a sudden it's like 1917
• 32:58
  L, 23 years old and a million won't pick a husband for her.
• 33:03
  This is because why she was enjoying it, she was just wanted
• 33:07
  to. She wanted.
• 33:08
  She wanted to have the experience that got taken from
• 33:10
  her. I mean, Okay, vicariously
• 33:14
  through your child. Well, the problem with that is
• 33:17
  we are was like, what are we doing here at your, you know?
• 33:20
  Yeah, be feet. You waste waste my time.
• 33:23
  Come on now. Well, and she definitely was
• 33:27
  aware a million was definitely aware that Leonardo was not
• 33:30
  really fond of her. Now you know it was not the type
• 33:34
  to just like not listen to her mom that's not the world they
• 33:37
  lived in. So even though a million knew
• 33:41
  that her daughter was Restless, she still was dragging her feet.
• 33:45
  So Leonardo chose her own husband.
• 33:48
  His name was Rafael pants Rd. He was a couple years older than
• 33:51
  her and he worked as a clerk. It was a low-paying government
• 33:54
  job, but it was stable income. Unlike anything that she had
• 33:57
  seen from any other man in her life, right?
• 34:00
  And she didn't really care about money anyway.
• 34:01
  She didn't exactly have a lot of it to begin with, so she didn't
• 34:04
  really crave it as an adult. Amelia was like, who is this?
• 34:09
  Not rich, man, trying to Pros my daughter.
• 34:11
  He tried the right way. He really did.
• 34:14
  He like approached Amelia and was like, I would like to marry
• 34:16
  your daughter and Amelia was like, she just laughed at him
• 34:19
  and let it go. What it's really messed up
• 34:24
  because if she had taken the time to talk to leonarda things
• 34:28
  probably wouldn't have gone this poorly because what was
• 34:31
  happening, is that Leonardo's like you're making these
• 34:32
  decisions for my life and you're not including me in them, right?
• 34:35
  Yeah. And you're trying to keep me
• 34:38
  with you and you're not letting me leave or grow up.
• 34:42
  This is the first time that Leonardo disobeys her mother.
• 34:48
  She goes to Rafael tells him. I accept your proposal.
• 34:52
  I don't need her acceptance of it, then they go and they get
• 34:55
  married at a very small wedding with just his family and her
• 34:59
  friends. Okay, she goes home to pick up a
• 35:02
  few things Amelia's there. Now Leonardo expects her mother
• 35:06
  to hit her, she expects her mother, they yell.
• 35:12
  What happens is actually worse, okay?
• 35:17
  She curses her daughter's marriage.
• 35:20
  Oh no. This is terrible.
• 35:26
  It is Leonardo took those words with her and it really informed
• 35:30
  like the rest of her life. She was convinced that this
• 35:35
  curse was real and it was going to ruin her life.
• 35:44
  Terrible. Even, they live in a really
• 35:47
  small town. She tried to avoid Amelia's best
• 35:51
  she could and Raphael was a nice guy, but he also very much
• 35:56
  struggle to deal with Leonardo's Behavior.
• 35:59
  Like she would cook dinner and if she burned something, she
• 36:03
  would cry whenever he tried to help her.
• 36:06
  Like if you lean towards her to reach for something she would
• 36:10
  Flinch, of course, what we know that is is PTSD today but he
• 36:15
  didn't understand that. He was just like, why is she so
• 36:19
  Attic like what is going on? Yeah, Leonardo started having
• 36:25
  seizures whenever she got too emotional and she didn't go to
• 36:28
  the doctor because she was like this is obviously a
• 36:30
  manifestation of my mother's curse.
• 36:33
  Rafael tried to support her, but things weren't going so great
• 36:36
  for him. Either he turned a lot of
• 36:38
  enemies by marrying her because his bosses were friends of the
• 36:43
  Town Elite and they were pissed that they hadn't gotten to marry
• 36:47
  her. Oh my God, all of his job
• 36:49
  advancement got ignored at the end that the government job.
• 36:54
  So Leonardo turn to the Romani for help.
• 37:00
  She went to a fortune teller. And the fortune teller told her
• 37:04
  your mother's curse will not kill you, you're going to live a
• 37:08
  very long life and you will outlive all of your children.
• 37:15
  Leonarda consider that to be the worst.
• 37:17
  Most terrible thing that could happen.
• 37:20
  Yeah. And three years into her
• 37:21
  marriage. It came true.
• 37:23
  Amelia had told her you were conceived the first time.
• 37:26
  Anything happened, solely an artist whom she'd be just as
• 37:30
  fertile but it took three years and when she realized she was
• 37:33
  pregnant, she panicked. And unfortunately, the stress
• 37:37
  made her have more seizures and the seizures meant.
• 37:39
  She fell down a lot and she had a miscarriage.
• 37:41
  Three months later. Raphael very quickly.
• 37:44
  Realizes we're not going to be happy in Montella and he moves
• 37:48
  them in 1920. We hop on the train and they
• 37:51
  just went, they stopped a couple places but they finally settled
• 37:55
  and Lauria Potenza in 1921 Rafael was raised there and they
• 38:00
  had enough money for a small house.
• 38:02
  They were 100 miles away from Amelia, the climate was warmer
• 38:05
  and a lot of Leonardo, stress disappeared.
• 38:08
  She even started to think that maybe the curse wasn't all that
• 38:10
  real. They tried for a baby this time.
• 38:13
  And she gave birth to Giuseppe in 1922 he was healthy, the
• 38:18
  labor was easy, but they were broke.
• 38:21
  So she had to apply for jobs to, but no one really wanted to hire
• 38:25
  her because they like to hire women at all.
• 38:27
  Then there was a weird undercurrent of like, women who
• 38:31
  work are like not to be trusted. It was just some women are
• 38:37
  supposed to be in the home and if she's out working, she
• 38:40
  obviously has money and she can get up to trouble.
• 38:42
  What do they do? Does that mean when I have money
• 38:46
  and I can get up trouble anyway, and guilt in trouble with money,
• 38:49
  you don't have money. Can you get up to trouble?
• 38:52
  Yeah. Not really Union to not sit in
• 38:55
  your house like a housewife. Would you vote?
• 38:57
  Do it the house, okay? But housework is still leave the
• 38:59
  house and get into something. She could become a murderer,
• 39:02
  born Giuseppe, she can leave Giuseppe there for a little bit.
• 39:06
  He's right. You cannot leave a newborn baby
• 39:08
  alone. What is wrong with you?
• 39:10
  You have two children. You know how this goes?
• 39:14
  Oh man, okay fine what it out? That the newborn they should
• 39:18
  have to do more and she could get into a lot of trouble
• 39:20
  because she can go and leave the house.
• 39:21
  Anyway, you don't have to have monies, but the situation is
• 39:25
  that she has just that be to worry about, and they need
• 39:29
  money. Either way.
• 39:31
  All she can get whirligig jobs bartending, being a waitress,
• 39:35
  she made almost no money. The noise at the establishments
• 39:38
  made her feel anxious. She's tried to push through it
• 39:41
  but she started having the seizures again.
• 39:44
  Her husband's like come home, just stay home.
• 39:49
  Leonardo gets pregnant again, miss Carey's again, this
• 39:53
  happened over and over over the coming years.
• 39:56
  She successfully did have two little girls and another boy but
• 40:00
  they got sick. One a little girls had bad
• 40:03
  lungs. Little boy got rashes, little
• 40:06
  girl died as a toddler and her brother right after The doctors
• 40:11
  couldn't understand why and no one really wanted to do an
• 40:14
  autopsy on a baby. So they didn't know if that was
• 40:16
  a genetic thing, they were just kind of like we're just gonna
• 40:20
  not do anything. So what would happen was this
• 40:24
  cycle and I blame Rafael on this, she would be like super
• 40:30
  grieving and then she would start to get better and Raphael
• 40:34
  would be like you will have a baby.
• 40:36
  Oh. So they would try she would get
• 40:39
  pregnant. She was been as long as she was
• 40:42
  pregnant stressing. Have the miscarriage because she
• 40:48
  was constantly having seizures, or they be born and she see
• 40:52
  them, get sick and die. She lost five more children,
• 40:54
  this way. Like, even the best of us would
• 40:58
  struggle with like one, but at this point now, there are six
• 41:02
  children who have died and two miscarriages.
• 41:07
  Leonardo's know what to do, but what she is going to do is to
• 41:09
  focus on these two children that are alive.
• 41:11
  It's just that be. And there's one little girl who
• 41:13
  still here. Also in her writings, never
• 41:18
  talks about the names of the other children Giuseppe's, the
• 41:21
  only kid she ever. Super cared about that is the
• 41:24
  one child. She loved more than anything
• 41:26
  else. So you're just going to hear me
• 41:28
  say, girl boy Giuseppe. Okay, I don't listen, it was
• 41:34
  weird. She was weird.
• 41:35
  We're just gonna go along with it.
• 41:38
  So her husband definitely sees like, This is an unhealthy
• 41:44
  Obsession happening and he's just like, he can't, he knows,
• 41:48
  he can't go over and like physically, take like the
• 41:51
  six-year-old from her. So he's just like, okay look, A
• 41:57
  family of four can survive on, just my little clerking come.
• 42:01
  My little secretary income, and she doesn't want to do it.
• 42:07
  She's convinced if she leaves them alone, someone will die.
• 42:14
  And you would think being able to just open a door and be like,
• 42:17
  you're still there. Would like make her feel better,
• 42:20
  she could confirm those feelings whenever she had them.
• 42:22
  Nope, it only made it worse, anytime, one of her children,
• 42:26
  coughed, or whimpered or cried? She would rush over to them,
• 42:30
  like, wake them up to make sure they were still breathing.
• 42:33
  It was very intense. Rafael like, is he pushes for
• 42:37
  work, though? He's like, okay, listen.
• 42:39
  My wife has some, a delicate temperament.
• 42:43
  And so, the one job that is they seem okay with it is she's a
• 42:48
  wife. So she probably knows how to
• 42:49
  clean the bank needs. Someone to come at night and
• 42:53
  clean everything. It actually worked really well
• 42:57
  for her because it was after hours, the kids were asleep.
• 43:02
  She didn't have to be around anybody.
• 43:04
  Yeah. And the bank was really cheap,
• 43:07
  instead of buying already made cleaning supplies, they just
• 43:10
  bought the raw materials and she had to do it all herself.
• 43:13
  Oh, which is how she learned, how to make her own soaps and
• 43:16
  how she became quite good at it. Okay.
• 43:19
  It was kind of one of those things where people who are
• 43:22
  anxious like to work with their hands and I do that sometimes
• 43:25
  and it soothes you was kind of like that for her.
• 43:30
  So as she's working, you know, these first couple weeks she's
• 43:32
  getting all these ideas in her head, we're going to save money.
• 43:35
  This is going to be great and she gets her first paycheck.
• 43:39
  It's not that much money as she realizes, this is just enough.
• 43:45
  For the two of them, to the four of them to live.
• 43:49
  She's not gonna be able to save anything, she's not going to be
• 43:52
  able to get a better house. Just survive.
• 43:57
  Yeah, and the job did. Pull her back from the obsessive
• 44:00
  Edge. She was on, but she was, by no
• 44:02
  means any better mentally. And then, while she was at work,
• 44:10
  Under Rafael's, watch her 10th child died.
• 44:14
  No, no one came to tell her because they knew what was going
• 44:17
  to happen. She came home exhausted from a
• 44:20
  night of cleaning and found that one of her other daughter had
• 44:24
  died. Following day, she laid the
• 44:27
  child arrest, in a pauper's grave and went to work again the
• 44:32
  following night. I imagine Rafael probably was a
• 44:37
  little, like, when's it gonna happen?
• 44:40
  When's it gonna happen. Yeah, eggshells the whole time.
• 44:45
  Just well, what happened next is that she was like, you know
• 44:48
  what, if we had money for a doctor then our kids would be
• 44:53
  better. Like the kids, you know, just
• 44:54
  happy won't die because we can't afford for someone to look at
• 44:58
  him. And so, one night shortly after
• 45:04
  have child died, she created a fake account in the bank records
• 45:09
  and she just wrote in a number that she felt would be a secure
• 45:12
  amount for her family. She's like, listen, thanks,
• 45:16
  nice. Just a clerical error.
• 45:18
  What are you talking about? Wait.
• 45:21
  Hold on, hold on. She created a fake bank account
• 45:25
  for her family. She went into their records,
• 45:28
  which were on paper. This is pre, you know, so
• 45:34
  anything digital and she made an account for herself and she was
• 45:39
  rolling an amount that she yes. But the bank wasn't going to
• 45:44
  have that amount whoo-hoo. The bank was not happy that it
• 45:50
  all the being found out, they found it real fast, okay?
• 45:53
  And in fact, one day when she wasn't like one day time she
• 45:57
  came to like, pull the money. Hmm.
• 46:00
  And the police were there. And she was escorting to prison
• 46:04
  charged with fraud convicted and put in prison in 1927.
• 46:09
  Now in the 1920s, Italian law said that women were supposed to
• 46:12
  have the same sentences as men even, but the problem was there
• 46:17
  weren't that many women in prison.
• 46:19
  And the men's prisons were like real intense.
• 46:22
  They were like hard labor camps. What they didn't have proper
• 46:25
  place to put women, but what they did have was stuffed with
• 46:29
  the Catholic Church owned solely neurotic and sent to this place.
• 46:34
  That's a former nunnery still owned by the Catholic Church
• 46:38
  still run by nuns. It's pretty awful.
• 46:42
  And the nuns actually would just add years to women's sentences
• 46:46
  if they wanted to what the Listen, Stephanie was doing
• 46:54
  whatever you need to add more years to her sentence.
• 46:56
  That's how it was with your sister and just doing enough,
• 47:02
  Leonardo had lived, 23 years with Amelia.
• 47:05
  So she knew absolutely had to deal with the older cruel women.
• 47:09
  She actually only ended up serving 18 months and was sent
• 47:13
  home to Rafael and just happy Where she had decided while she
• 47:18
  was in prison. That she was the only one who
• 47:19
  could take care of Giuseppe and make sure he was safe.
• 47:23
  Now while she's gone, family are outcasts Rafael loses his job
• 47:28
  because of her laughing. Sorry, family name sullied.
• 47:34
  The rest of his family have to ignore him because they do want
• 47:36
  to be connected to Leonardo June.
• 47:38
  When she gets out of prison, his family's like listen, y'all
• 47:41
  gotta go. So they just like sneak, send
• 47:44
  them some money. And they leave like the cover of
• 47:47
  Darkness. Raphael was pretty tired of
• 47:52
  dealing with Leonardo's Mental Health.
• 47:54
  And he kind of just got to a place where he was like a hair.
• 47:57
  Just do this, you do this and you do this and he was just kind
• 47:59
  of like directing her. She wasn't too happy about it
• 48:02
  because it reminded her mom but then he got a job in last
• 48:06
  Sidonia avellino and the family moved South, that's the journey
• 48:10
  was very similar to other small towns.
• 48:12
  They lived in a really rural but this job came with a house that
• 48:16
  overlooked the acento river and it was pretty nice Giuseppe and
• 48:21
  his friends like to fish by the river.
• 48:23
  You know, didn't have to work. And so she just focused on
• 48:26
  taking care of the home. She's 36 years old and 1930.
• 48:30
  Oh my God. She did it on her side.
• 48:32
  She got pregnant again. She stretched herself out
• 48:35
  thinking about the curse from Amelia.
• 48:38
  So she started going to the Romani who traveled through of
• 48:41
  a, you know, because that was like the bigger city.
• 48:44
  And so she decided to seek them out again and a tent.
• 48:47
  She's literally, she drags just happy with her and she's just
• 48:52
  like if I get pregnant again or more kids going to die. and, The
• 48:59
  old woman told her on one hand in your future.
• 49:04
  I see prison on the other hand. I see an asylum.
• 49:11
  And so Leonardo was like, well I literally just left prison like
• 49:15
  three months ago, so maybe that's what she's seeing.
• 49:18
  Why she's not seeing into a past.
• 49:20
  The idea of the Asylum. Though was scary.
• 49:23
  Because back, then asylums were definitely just death sentence.
• 49:26
  And yeah, you went in and you never came out.
• 49:29
  Women's prisons had little regulations but there was an end
• 49:33
  to going to prison. If you were insane, there was no
• 49:36
  cure, they'd lock you up and you just rot away.
• 49:39
  She paid the woman went home though.
• 49:40
  No. she gave birth to a healthy baby boy and she was very uneasy
• 49:49
  She also gave birth to two more little girls.
• 49:51
  Oh, She still love Don Giuseppe hard but she was so ready for
• 50:00
  something bad to happen that she just walked around in silence
• 50:03
  and it kind of freaked, her husband out with her anxiety, On
• 50:06
  The Rise, the seizures came back, she was afraid to pick up
• 50:08
  the younger children. What would happen is that she
• 50:12
  would like just kind of like watch them and then Raphael will
• 50:17
  come home and then she would like leave the house and walk
• 50:21
  the area and visit my fortune tellers.
• 50:24
  You're stressing yourself out the fortune, tellers, realize
• 50:26
  she wanted gloom and doom. So they kind of gave her what
• 50:28
  she wanted. Eventually, she started buying
• 50:30
  her own books from them and doing her own readings.
• 50:34
  And then summer came to us Dunya and the this was a farming town.
• 50:39
  And everybody went into the fields to harvest, Rafael found
• 50:43
  himself alone in his office job as 90% of the town was out
• 50:47
  helping their families so he's like, I guess I'll join
• 50:49
  everybody in the field. Only an artist friends.
• 50:53
  Go to. Hmm.
• 50:55
  So Leonardo's like I guess I'll go too.
• 51:00
  Like everybody was there with their kids too.
• 51:03
  So it was just sort of this really nice Vibe.
• 51:07
  Okay. Everybody's working in the hot
• 51:10
  sun having a good time. The sun goes down, they have
• 51:13
  little party eat some of the food.
• 51:17
  She let herself relax, you know, they would dance around the fire
• 51:21
  at night. I'm not liking where this is
• 51:23
  going. This was like, the first time
• 51:28
  Just had a Carefree moment. So Raphael Leonardo just happy
• 51:33
  and the kids fall asleep with their neighbors in the fields at
• 51:36
  night, it's really nice. Okay, July 23rd. 19:30.
• 51:46
  Leonardo wakes up, very abruptly, she reaches out and
• 51:49
  she doesn't really feel anything.
• 51:51
  Other people wake up to it was like everybody had been shaken
• 51:54
  awake at once and they were like are there ghosts.
• 51:57
  The wind was kind of weird. They all relax as the wind died
• 52:00
  down and people were turned to sleep but Leonardo couldn't.
• 52:05
  This felt like that impending doom that she was used to. so,
• 52:10
  she laid with the babies and her husband, and he went back to
• 52:16
  sleep. She just stared at the night,
• 52:18
  sky for like the next hour. An hour later.
• 52:22
  There's a tremor. And she thinks that she's having
• 52:27
  a seizure because everything shaking and she realizes that
• 52:30
  everyone is shaking. This was an earthquake.
• 52:35
  And it's a real bad one. The field, rips apart, tossing,
• 52:39
  people around from the fields, they can see their houses are
• 52:43
  falling apart as well. She watched as her home
• 52:46
  disappeared into the Earth, and the river next to it, the whole
• 52:49
  town crumbled, the few people, in their homes, came running
• 52:52
  out, Stones fell on them. This was known as the opinion
• 52:58
  earthquake of 1930 are Pena is the area around IV know?
• 53:02
  That is part of the apennine mountains.
• 53:05
  The death toll of this earthquake was pretty low, only
• 53:08
  1,400 people died, but it was incredibly destructive.
• 53:11
  European seismic scale is in Roman numerals and the one is,
• 53:16
  nobody felt it and nothing bad happened.
• 53:18
  The worst one is 12, which is that the ground is irreparably
• 53:22
  damaged, and all of the structures are gone.
• 53:26
  The opinion earthquake of 1930 was a 10 host. 70% of the town
• 53:31
  was destroyed when the earthquake happened.
• 53:34
  So, what happened next was that the town's folk who were in the
• 53:37
  fields rushed to the building's to try and save people because
• 53:41
  they could hear screaming people were stuck inside.
• 53:45
  The pair, the pants already family did not move.
• 53:50
  Leonardo was stuck. She was terrified.
• 53:52
  She was paralyzed. And her husband couldn't take
• 53:57
  all these kids with him. Several of them are like we got
• 54:00
  like a baby and two toddlers and like an eight year old at this
• 54:03
  point. It's interesting that she thinks
• 54:10
  of her life as like this horrible thing in this Doom
• 54:13
  because that fear she had that made her stay in the middle of
• 54:16
  that. Field is the reason why they
• 54:19
  probably all survived. Oh, earthquake happened at 12:08
• 54:25
  there were 16 aftershocks over the next 24 hours.
• 54:29
  The entire town is fucking leveled.
• 54:33
  The majority of those 1,400 deaths were off from IV know.
• 54:38
  By the end of the 24-hour period, every house was
• 54:41
  destroyed. The government put up these like
• 54:44
  small temporary houses for people but the government won't
• 54:47
  even be able to fix that area for another 40 years. 40.
• 54:52
  Oh my goodness, become a town again until the 70s.
• 54:54
  Wow, it's very beautiful. I looked it up but long time.
• 55:02
  Okay, yeah, Leonardo was devastated.
• 55:05
  The little life that they had been building for like the last
• 55:07
  eight months was over. Little is known about the time
• 55:12
  between avellino and coraggio, but we do know that when they
• 55:15
  arrived family was Leonardo, Raphael two little boys and two
• 55:18
  little girls of fourteen pregnancies for survived.
• 55:22
  When the up Ansari family arrived, they were pretty much
• 55:24
  embraced by the community as refugees from the earthquake
• 55:27
  near Naples, people rush to help them Raphael very quickly.
• 55:31
  Got another office job. They were able to run a small
• 55:33
  house in town, that was attached to a general store.
• 55:36
  This honestly wasn't the worst place for them to be.
• 55:39
  Be the children were all well-liked and Leonardo was a
• 55:41
  little bit less intense with watching the children because
• 55:44
  she kind of looked at it as like we survived an earthquake.
• 55:48
  What more can I Do by watching them?
• 55:51
  The Earth tried to eat us. So she's like screw it, let him
• 55:55
  play in the dirt in the river. She still wasn't emotionally all
• 55:58
  there though the first few weeks to months and coraggio.
• 56:02
  She found it very difficult to do anything more than just stare
• 56:05
  in the distance like she would just lay in bed all day long.
• 56:08
  The local women were pretty empathetic, really nice that she
• 56:10
  lost everything and like many people who lose stuff like that.
• 56:15
  You just don't feel safe anymore.
• 56:16
  Yeah. Eventually, they'll encourage,
• 56:18
  you know, she started to feel like a human being This was very
• 56:22
  new for her, she was going through like proper emotions.
• 56:25
  Here, she was angry at what she lost.
• 56:30
  She was grieving for her dead friends, happy that her family,
• 56:34
  made it guilt that her family needed, you know.
• 56:39
  Yeah, feeling all the feelings is really hard, but it's also
• 56:42
  very good crash. It was also the place where
• 56:47
  family found, real Financial stability, they had savings.
• 56:53
  Leonardo wondered if the curse was over because he's lasted.
• 56:57
  Oh, Nia had been destroyed by an earthquake.
• 57:00
  Yeah. After those months of Silence,
• 57:03
  she came out of her shell and she wanted to apologize to
• 57:05
  people. So she tried to be extra kind or
• 57:08
  husband or children. She went to the other ladies in
• 57:10
  town who are really nice to her and those apologies kind of turn
• 57:14
  into friendship and everybody understood, she was gone through
• 57:17
  something really awful, maybe her friends didn't know just how
• 57:20
  big of change she was going through but doesn't matter.
• 57:23
  I guess a lot of what we know about this is from these
• 57:25
  journals that she kept, which were also evidence.
• 57:28
  But she also wrote poetry and she was actually really good at
• 57:30
  it and people really liked it. Cool.
• 57:33
  Now, remember, I told you the house was attached to a general
• 57:35
  store? Yes, when they first moved
• 57:37
  there, they just locked it up because they didn't want the
• 57:39
  kids to like get into it right. One day, she decides to go
• 57:42
  inside and get up. It's been empty for years but it
• 57:44
  was honestly still in good condition and she only needed a
• 57:48
  product and she remembered that she knew how to make soap.
• 57:51
  So, she talks to her husband and he gives his Blessing and he
• 57:55
  buys the supplies for her along with perfumes and oils that she
• 57:58
  needs from like Big Town's further away.
• 58:02
  A few weeks later, the shop was clean.
• 58:04
  Giuseppe painted the shop sign hung above the door.
• 58:08
  She allows her family and a couple of her friends to test
• 58:11
  her product. And the rumors around town was
• 58:13
  that this was good. No, this was better soap, and
• 58:16
  you could buy from the store. Woohoo, whole town shows up.
• 58:19
  It's a massive success. She Getting requests from people
• 58:22
  all over Italy. It's like a fairytale.
• 58:26
  This is a life that Amelia her mother dreamed of and she had
• 58:30
  never been allowed to dream in herself.
• 58:33
  She would visit her friend. She would make cakes her
• 58:35
  daughter would see her daughters would help serve food, they
• 58:37
  would help at the shop. The local women, then found out,
• 58:42
  you know how to do card readings.
• 58:44
  Oh no. So they started coming to her
• 58:46
  house and getting readings. She was actually really good at
• 58:50
  it because when her Prophecies came true.
• 58:55
  People are like, Oh no, you're the real thing exactly what you
• 58:59
  said was going to happen happened.
• 59:01
  Oh no! Dan!
• 59:03
  The Romani who also passed through the area heard about
• 59:05
  this too and they would come and they would barter with her and
• 59:10
  exchange for the fancy soaps. They would give her more and
• 59:14
  more like all books. Oh nice.
• 59:16
  She had this spiritualists library in her house.
• 59:20
  That's wrong that she loved. And honestly, the only thing I
• 59:24
  think she loved more than just happy was her little study full
• 59:27
  of Aqua books. She actually started looking
• 59:30
  into European witchcraft addition.
• 59:32
  She learned about the Benedict area estragon area, which are
• 59:36
  both traditional folk Magic from Europe.
• 59:40
  She was very interested in being able to control her feet.
• 59:43
  Her goal was to be what's called a Fat Sweaty, a magical fixture,
• 59:47
  okay? She learned Municipal ways to
• 59:49
  take care of things for people. So if a young woman found
• 59:52
  herself with child, they would finally in our data and go home
• 59:57
  with a special herbal tea and soon.
• 1:00:00
  Not have a problem. Not have a problem that problem
• 1:00:03
  was gone. Okay, cool.
• 1:00:05
  Hmm. Okay.
• 1:00:06
  Men in the village would discreetly.
• 1:00:08
  At her for a potion to help with their Vitality.
• 1:00:12
  It worked, he made things for sickness.
• 1:00:15
  Fertility luck. Oh goodness.
• 1:00:20
  You needed something to help you out with that thing.
• 1:00:22
  You don't want to talk about, I'm just look.
• 1:00:25
  Edie is a new is a common problem.
• 1:00:27
  It is also the first blue pill, nothing to be ashamed about.
• 1:00:35
  He came up with the pill before we had by a Agra.
• 1:00:39
  She just got a little list of holidays syrup.
• 1:00:41
  You'd be all right. Oh my God.
• 1:00:45
  Okay. So everything was going perfect
• 1:00:49
  in her life. They lived in coraggio for
• 1:00:51
  almost a decade. And then in 1939 World War Two
• 1:00:57
  Broke out and just that be decided he wanted to be a
• 1:01:00
  soldier. No, you do not.
• 1:01:02
  It's not that he didn't love his mother but the first half of his
• 1:01:06
  life she'd been very overbearing overbearing and he wanted to
• 1:01:09
  leave coraggio without hurting her feelings.
• 1:01:12
  He saw his mom is his really emotional delicate woman and he
• 1:01:15
  knew he couldn't just leave the house.
• 1:01:17
  And by the way, he's a grown-ass man.
• 1:01:20
  At this time in his life you still can Ain't go, no.
• 1:01:24
  He's in his 20s. I don't care.
• 1:01:30
  So he's like if I enlist in the military this will give me a
• 1:01:32
  chance to see the world. I'll get to leave and sure
• 1:01:35
  she'll be upset, but she'll have to understand.
• 1:01:37
  I'm a man, I'm going to help my country.
• 1:01:41
  He really ate up the propaganda from Mussolini at the time, I
• 1:01:44
  love it. Gotta love it.
• 1:01:47
  And it's really interesting because perhaps, if leonarda had
• 1:01:51
  set Giuseppe up, when he was 18 with a lady, he would have a
• 1:01:56
  wife and kids and he wouldn't have wanted to leave for the But
• 1:02:00
  instead he didn't have anything tethering him to cry.
• 1:02:03
  Gio hit. His mom tells her and she was
• 1:02:05
  hanging to his leg. No.
• 1:02:09
  He actually signed up without telling her.
• 1:02:12
  And what happens at the other young men told like his friends
• 1:02:15
  told their moms and everybody was like, do you think she
• 1:02:18
  knows? No, just that be at first he was
• 1:02:22
  like, this will be fine and then he was like, you know, I won't
• 1:02:24
  be fine. I'm not gonna say anything and
• 1:02:26
  he's kind of like walked around for a couple days and he was
• 1:02:28
  very worried. He's like she's gonna find out.
• 1:02:30
  That's gonna be a problem. So, Leonardo's 18, the market
• 1:02:35
  someone walks by and congratulate her on her son's
• 1:02:38
  bravery No reaction. She buys your groceries.
• 1:02:43
  Goes to the house. Lays out.
• 1:02:45
  What she's going to use to make dinner for later.
• 1:02:47
  Goes into her study locks. The door falls apart for a
• 1:02:51
  little bit. Like the problem is no women in
• 1:02:55
  Europe were unaware of the first world war.
• 1:02:57
  And how many men, died and World War one.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, it destroyed a lot of families.
• 1:03:03
  And while her family had been spared because of the social
• 1:03:07
  hierarchy and what was going on at her, mother's status in town,
• 1:03:11
  she did see it happen to other women and she also thought she
• 1:03:15
  said, he's a good kid but he's not really a fighter.
• 1:03:19
  She's like if he goes to where he's coming back in a casket so
• 1:03:22
  she spent Out that she literally spent hours that day and her
• 1:03:25
  study. Trying to figure out what she
• 1:03:29
  knew. How to do that could help him.
• 1:03:32
  Giuseppe comes home drunk, his friends and take it into a bar.
• 1:03:36
  Congratulations, you're going to be a soldier, he walks in, and
• 1:03:40
  he sees that one, his dad and siblings are gone and he's like,
• 1:03:43
  okay, well maybe they went out to eat but the Foods on the
• 1:03:46
  table still and the house is quiet.
• 1:03:50
  All he hears is upstairs. Just scratching scratching.
• 1:03:55
  He's like okay she's in her study.
• 1:03:57
  He hears her talking to herself flipping pages in books.
• 1:04:01
  He's like She probably found out, he's got to go upstairs and
• 1:04:04
  talk to her. He opens the door, her backs to
• 1:04:07
  the door. She just pile of books on the
• 1:04:10
  table. She is pouring over her Library.
• 1:04:14
  He's expecting yelling, but she turns around smiles and it's
• 1:04:17
  just like my beautiful boy. They go downstairs to make a
• 1:04:20
  little, you know, Rush meal It wasn't like the kind of meals
• 1:04:24
  though that she made when he was little, she because we, she was
• 1:04:27
  on her, she would be so stressed.
• 1:04:28
  She would forget to cook and so they would have little rush
• 1:04:31
  meals then. But this was different.
• 1:04:34
  She spoke to her son. Like they were equals.
• 1:04:36
  He wasn't a boy anymore. She knew that she very calmly.
• 1:04:39
  Talk to him about his options. Can you leave town to join the
• 1:04:43
  Army? He's like, I don't wanna do
• 1:04:44
  that. You could you withdraw your
• 1:04:46
  consent? I cannot withdraw my consent.
• 1:04:50
  At the end, she still very calm, just had these kind of shocked.
• 1:04:54
  He didn't realize that she is making her own plan to deal with
• 1:04:58
  us and she's actually Looking into some real dark stuff, she
• 1:05:04
  decided already she was going to use death math and death magic
• 1:05:07
  to save her son and she's going to send him off with a war to
• 1:05:10
  protect him as well. Unfortunately, the Cornerstone
• 1:05:13
  of a lot of death magic is that? There must be a sacrifice.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah, unfortunately she doesn't realize that the sacrifice
• 1:05:19
  normally needs to be equal in value, but we're going to get to
• 1:05:22
  that part of that actually see it first.
• 1:05:24
  She just thought, maybe I can just give him a ward, but she's
• 1:05:28
  like, the problem with that is on a battlefield, it be Very
• 1:05:31
  easy for him to be separated from his stuff.
• 1:05:34
  So it won't protect him. So she says, I definitely have
• 1:05:36
  to kill somebody to make sure that the spirits will be
• 1:05:38
  appeased and my boy won't die. So she's like, well I want to
• 1:05:43
  make sure that the death is painless and fast.
• 1:05:45
  I don't want to hurt somebody. She did briefly think of the
• 1:05:49
  idea of just giving the dropped like a death drop to somebody in
• 1:05:52
  town with their other medicine that they buy from her and be
• 1:05:55
  like, oh no. But that would just be a body
• 1:05:58
  and that wasn't she didn't think that was going to be a good way
• 1:06:00
  of doing this. So notice first victim was named
• 1:06:06
  faustina seti. That's Tina was older.
• 1:06:10
  She never been married, which as I mentioned to you before is a
• 1:06:15
  downside, listen, we still call people spinsters today, Brian.
• 1:06:20
  And this is, do not a hundred years ago.
• 1:06:22
  Yes. So you don't know, people be
• 1:06:25
  like, you're 35, you don't ya married, you doing the cats, you
• 1:06:30
  know how people are dispenser? That was fuss, Tina.
• 1:06:34
  And so, She came to Leonardo because she was, like, listen,
• 1:06:39
  can you find me a husband? She told Leonardo, she was still
• 1:06:45
  a virgin. She had never done anything.
• 1:06:48
  She's like, I'm still of marriageable quality.
• 1:06:51
  The Unites like bet virgin sacrifice my God.
• 1:06:55
  So pure. So Leonardo tells her.
• 1:06:58
  She found a man in the City of Palo but you can't tell anybody
• 1:07:01
  yet. She encouraged faustina to write
• 1:07:03
  letters to her family and friends and mail them.
• 1:07:07
  Once she left town so faustina's like okay and she Has one final
• 1:07:15
  meeting. With Leonardo at her shop that
• 1:07:22
  is when Leonardo kilter. She gave her a drink, it wasn't
• 1:07:26
  the best Saturday of because she was apparently still awake and
• 1:07:30
  also, the United realize that killing someone with an ax is
• 1:07:33
  not easy. Her first murder was brutal.
• 1:07:38
  She just was hidden all over the place.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah. You gotta just messing
• 1:07:42
  everything up. No, no skill at all here.
• 1:07:46
  Never precise. Oh, those took a lot of hits,
• 1:07:49
  the axe was very hard to use. She ended up cutting the body
• 1:07:53
  into pieces further hanging, those on her herb drying rack
• 1:07:58
  and then massaging the blood out into the little trays, those
• 1:08:05
  trays, she put in the oven, which he had kept hot the blood
• 1:08:09
  so that the blood would dry and become a powder, so she could
• 1:08:12
  use it. She put the rest of faustina in
• 1:08:16
  a very caustic soap, to dissolve her using the same pots.
• 1:08:21
  She used for her family's cooking.
• 1:08:23
  Oh, I don't think our family cared when she was making soap
• 1:08:26
  in those pots because you know, it was only soap.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah just so you know it's just going to make it more clean you
• 1:08:34
  know? Yeah of course.
• 1:08:37
  Well After while she's like, you know, this is just a normal soap
• 1:08:43
  and Tea cake making day. I do this once a week, anyway.
• 1:08:46
  The body grinder down the fat, but when she pulled off the lid,
• 1:08:51
  she said it was like a horrible nasty.
• 1:08:52
  Brown color. The blood Trace came out.
• 1:08:55
  Really good though. And she added the blood Trace to
• 1:08:59
  a bowl of flour sugar eggs. Just happy with need to eat
• 1:09:04
  these to take in faustina's essence, so that they had to be
• 1:09:08
  good. So she add a little extra
• 1:09:09
  vanilla. Did you notice you can
• 1:09:11
  substitute blood for eggs? I knew you knew that talked
• 1:09:15
  about that. That's on you.
• 1:09:17
  I'd take that. I just love.
• 1:09:20
  That's a thing. Well.
• 1:09:25
  She couldn't do anything with the brown.
• 1:09:26
  Go. It's not supposed to be brown.
• 1:09:28
  Hmm, so she takes it and dumps it in to the septic pits.
• 1:09:37
  She said, this, this isn't going to be a good soap.
• 1:09:40
  She had wasted faustina's death, she's going to have to do this
• 1:09:43
  again. The murder had big kind of
• 1:09:47
  traumatic for her honestly. People who got the letters were
• 1:09:52
  pretty excited. Fussy defend a man.
• 1:09:55
  Nice, she sold the tea cakes. No one said anything about them?
• 1:09:59
  She had perfected those, but she needed a new person to complete
• 1:10:02
  this ritual. August of 1940s.
• 1:10:06
  Three months before Giuseppe is set to go to war Leonardo's,
• 1:10:10
  like, okay, I gotta do this again.
• 1:10:12
  Our next victim is Francesca's Salva, the school teacher and
• 1:10:16
  Widow who had retired. She was a little younger than
• 1:10:19
  Leonardo, but had no children and no one to worry about her.
• 1:10:22
  She's well-liked in town and she came to Leonardo, wanting to
• 1:10:25
  know her Fortune. Leonardo told her that she would
• 1:10:28
  find success and happiness and going back to work, I'll even
• 1:10:32
  help you find a good job soon. After Leonardo tells her that
• 1:10:37
  she found her job at this Elite girls school and Pia chenza
• 1:10:40
  almost it's like on the edge of Italy near Switzerland.
• 1:10:44
  Switzerland. As you know, Posh it's the
• 1:10:46
  Pinnacle of music and art and all sorts of awesome stuff.
• 1:10:50
  Fantastic. She's like, I used my
• 1:10:54
  connections, you know, I know some more, you know, wealthy
• 1:10:57
  people and people did know that she did have high society
• 1:11:02
  clients. So Francesca believed her and
• 1:11:05
  September of 1940. After a month of faked postcards
• 1:11:09
  and lies, Francesca was ready to leave.
• 1:11:12
  She accepted a drink from Leonardo, the morning of her
• 1:11:15
  departure. This time, she was better with
• 1:11:18
  the axe. She didn't Swig all willy-nilly.
• 1:11:22
  She actually laid out basins to collect all the blood because
• 1:11:25
  before she had really had to clean the kitchen, she did
• 1:11:29
  everything the same, and she still got the same result.
• 1:11:33
  It was all unusable, and she was so mad that she went to actually
• 1:11:37
  take the, the pan and throw it. And she grabbed it, and it was
• 1:11:41
  burning hot. She burned both of her hands.
• 1:11:46
  And she had to wait for just happy to come home and take the
• 1:11:50
  to the septic thing and dump it. Now Giuseppe's like This is
• 1:11:56
  weird. Cardi B.
• 1:11:59
  You know, that's weird. He's like, is she gonna unravel
• 1:12:04
  again? I'm getting closer to leaving,
• 1:12:06
  then he thinks Maybe she purposefully hurt herself to try
• 1:12:11
  and get me to stay. She's like no, no no, it's just
• 1:12:14
  an accident. I wasn't thinking.
• 1:12:17
  We had rather decides the problem with the second batch
• 1:12:20
  was that her intent was wrong, she did a better job, but she
• 1:12:24
  just intention magic is intention.
• 1:12:26
  Who's was true? It gets very close to his
• 1:12:32
  departure date. Her file victim is Virginia.
• 1:12:39
  Now, I can't see this girl's name, I think it's Chapo.
• 1:12:42
  A former soprano and opera singer who is beloved by the
• 1:12:47
  town and even though she was a celebrity, she was very kind.
• 1:12:52
  They were friends who had bonded over creativity and music and
• 1:12:55
  poetry. one day, Virginia came to Leonardo and said leonarda
• 1:13:04
  and said, I'm going to leave And at first they not, I was hurt.
• 1:13:09
  She's just like you just gonna leave.
• 1:13:10
  We friends fan you just dip it but then she was just like, wait
• 1:13:14
  I can use this to my advantage. Virginia, just wanted to leave
• 1:13:19
  and see the world. She'd been living with her
• 1:13:21
  brother and his wife wrote a while.
• 1:13:22
  And I think she was tired of being a third wheel.
• 1:13:26
  But Leonardo convinced her to Let me she's like let me try and
• 1:13:32
  set something up for you so you don't just like walk into the
• 1:13:35
  Wilderness by herself. Her thought was since Virginia
• 1:13:40
  was remarkable and so it was just happy.
• 1:13:44
  She had maybe failed before because the sacrifices just
• 1:13:46
  weren't equal. They were both younger in their
• 1:13:50
  20s. She convinced Virginia, she was
• 1:13:56
  like listen, don't tell your brother yet I found a job for
• 1:13:59
  you but the person who it's with very wealthy Elite person, not
• 1:14:05
  going to give a whole lot of details over the next couple of
• 1:14:07
  like months Virginia. Kind of pulls the story out of
• 1:14:13
  her. So her family doesn't know a
• 1:14:14
  little bit. Finally she finds out you're
• 1:14:17
  going to be managing the Affairs of a very wealthy man, in the
• 1:14:21
  South and a pretty big city. It pays super good gonna be
• 1:14:24
  working for an impresario, which is a finance person who gives
• 1:14:27
  money to the Arts and only are you going to be managing his his
• 1:14:31
  Private Affairs but also helping with the business and she said
• 1:14:34
  that he she told Virginia he's interested in you because he
• 1:14:37
  knows that you were a famous singer and perhaps, maybe you
• 1:14:40
  could perform At his business, as well.
• 1:14:44
  Virginia is very Enticed by the mystery of it all.
• 1:14:51
  She goes, He Lives just outside of Florence.
• 1:14:53
  You're going to have an apartment in Florence going to
• 1:14:56
  be right in the middle of all of the, the, the amazing stuff
• 1:14:59
  going on in Florence, Florence. Italy.
• 1:15:01
  Is one of the most it's a cultural like center, right?
• 1:15:05
  This is exactly the place of the woman in her like mid to late
• 1:15:07
  20s who's trying to see the world and have an exciting
• 1:15:11
  adventure with want to go. She says goodbye to her brother,
• 1:15:15
  September 30th 1942, she thanks him for letting him live there.
• 1:15:19
  Her sister-in-law was out so she couldn't say goodbye.
• 1:15:22
  She shows she showed up to Leonardo's but later than
• 1:15:24
  normal, normally the women showed up early but our girl
• 1:15:28
  Virginia showed up afternoon. Wearing Furs and jewelry.
• 1:15:33
  She's a, I'm ready. Gosh.
• 1:15:35
  He's always downplayed look because she didn't want to make
• 1:15:39
  people in town like feel crappy. Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  But here she was like, doesn't matter because I'm leaving so
• 1:15:44
  today when I leave, drip the drill so, you know, to come to
• 1:15:54
  the door and it's pretty surprised that you sit in her
• 1:15:56
  kitchen. They have a chat, Leonardo has
• 1:15:58
  to beg her To drink the potion because like Virginia's, like,
• 1:16:05
  listen, I'm not trying to be drunk while head out and finally
• 1:16:08
  she's just like if it matters this much to you I will drink
• 1:16:11
  it. Of course it does because I'm
• 1:16:15
  gonna kill you Leonardo. Actually, she couldn't bear to
• 1:16:18
  destroy the clothing so she took it off of her.
• 1:16:21
  She focused her intent, she went through the motions again.
• 1:16:25
  She took Virginia's perfume out of her trunk poured it into the
• 1:16:28
  Vets, she made the tea cakes, She said this time like before
• 1:16:32
  the tea cakes taste a little irony because of the blood.
• 1:16:35
  Yes. This time.
• 1:16:36
  They were pretty sweet. Oh, we're closed.
• 1:16:40
  Also unlike the women before when she opened the that of
• 1:16:45
  rendered, fat, bones and hair, it was white and it was a creamy
• 1:16:51
  consistency. Interesting, there was one final
• 1:16:57
  ingredient that was added which was the fact that Leonardo cries
• 1:17:01
  I'd over killing her friend and decided like this is just my
• 1:17:05
  burden that I will have to bear that.
• 1:17:08
  I killed somebody that I care for for the sake of my son.
• 1:17:11
  You poor thing, you poor murderer, she prepared the Soaps
• 1:17:14
  and then she had all of the crime.
• 1:17:18
  So she needs just happy to eat the tea cakes and bathes with
• 1:17:21
  his soap to protect him, both internally and externally.
• 1:17:25
  He comes home. And she's just like You're
• 1:17:29
  leaving soon, I have to bathe you.
• 1:17:33
  Giuseppe is not okay with this. She forces it, she legitimately
• 1:17:38
  takes him into the bathroom. He's naked in the tub.
• 1:17:41
  She washes every part of his body, including the sensitive
• 1:17:46
  parts. He's very uncomfortable about
• 1:17:48
  this. Yes.
• 1:17:51
  He was super weirded out. Then they go downstairs.
• 1:17:55
  He sit in the kitchen and towel. And he's like, why do I, why do
• 1:17:59
  I need to eat this. And she's like, you have to eat
• 1:18:00
  this and she pretty much like hand feeds him.
• 1:18:04
  The stupid tea. Cakes is this?
• 1:18:06
  Just like the single worst thing to happen to this young man?
• 1:18:12
  She's very satisfied. She's like bet I did it.
• 1:18:15
  The spell is complete. Yes, Giuseppe, avoids, his mom
• 1:18:20
  from this moment on. Oh, he's very freaked out.
• 1:18:25
  She's like, doesn't matter. I protected him.
• 1:18:28
  People of town ate the rest of the tea cakes.
• 1:18:30
  They bought up all the Soaps now.
• 1:18:34
  Well, the first woman died, there's a rumor that she
• 1:18:36
  collected roughly 30,000 liar. I'll explain the conversion rate
• 1:18:44
  for this money. A little bit sweet.
• 1:18:48
  Second woman had about 3,000, Virginia had 50,000 so who she
• 1:18:54
  felt guilty for keeping the money and she actually didn't
• 1:18:57
  spend it right away which was a good thing because people would
• 1:19:00
  have known something was off. From afar Giuseppe watched his
• 1:19:04
  mother. He was like she's strangely calm
• 1:19:07
  and although she looks sad he didn't see the terror in her
• 1:19:10
  eyes anymore. Like he saw when she was a kid
• 1:19:13
  and he took that as a sign of acceptance.
• 1:19:16
  Hmm. And he got ready to leave.
• 1:19:18
  Now the letters that Leonardo had her victim said her family's
• 1:19:21
  helped at first but as months pass and no one heard anything
• 1:19:24
  from them. People got worried Virginia's
• 1:19:28
  family, kicked up a fuss. Specifically her sister In-law
• 1:19:33
  had she met this mystery man? Who knew anything about this?
• 1:19:36
  Her sister-in-law starts her own investigation.
• 1:19:39
  No one has any idea. What?
• 1:19:43
  Mrs. Chapo was even talking about, but her like, listen.
• 1:19:49
  Leonardo's real good with the, you know, the Soaps in this
• 1:19:54
  magic, you should ask her. Maybe she knows what happened.
• 1:19:57
  Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:19:58
  She'll be happy to help you. So mrs.
• 1:20:02
  Mrs. Chapo arrives. At Leonardo's door and Leonardo
• 1:20:05
  hands. Her a cup of coffee holds her
• 1:20:07
  hands in and it's like, I knew you were coming.
• 1:20:10
  I'm sure you did. Chapo is skeptical.
• 1:20:17
  When cacioppo asks about Virginia, Leonardo apologizes
• 1:20:22
  and says, I can't tell you anything more than you already
• 1:20:25
  know. She said, Virginia told me about
• 1:20:27
  the trip and that was it. And then Leonardo actually like
• 1:20:31
  starts crying and she's like, no, no, it's just because I miss
• 1:20:34
  my friend don't worry about it. Mrs. Cacioppo is suspicious.
• 1:20:38
  Why is she misses her friends, she can't cry because of that.
• 1:20:41
  Well, she speaks to Leonardo's neighbors.
• 1:20:43
  And they were like, you know what, we did, see her, we saw
• 1:20:46
  Virginia and her fancy clothes, she was here.
• 1:20:50
  And you know what? We never saw a taxi.
• 1:20:53
  I don't remember seeing her even leave.
• 1:20:56
  So now already Chapo had already been to the police and the local
• 1:21:03
  PD were like lady. Your niece.
• 1:21:06
  In law was like, a really famous singer who went to Florence to
• 1:21:10
  go be a famous singer again. So, she's like, no, no, no.
• 1:21:16
  And she goes over their head to the superintendent of the entire
• 1:21:19
  province. The superintendent is like, this
• 1:21:22
  is interesting. We're gonna look into it, very
• 1:21:24
  quickly. They discovered, there are
• 1:21:26
  several women who went missing, who all visited Leonardo before
• 1:21:29
  she disappeared, she was brought in for questioning.
• 1:21:33
  She gave them nothing at this point.
• 1:21:36
  She wasn't very good at lying. You have to be considering what
• 1:21:40
  she was doing with the fortune-telling.
• 1:21:42
  This is true, she was not gifted.
• 1:21:44
  She just knew how to get information out of people and
• 1:21:47
  had a lie. But had a lie in a way that they
• 1:21:50
  believed. She told them, sure, I advise
• 1:21:55
  all these women with my card reading, but I haven't heard
• 1:21:58
  from any of them in a really long time, Italy has some pretty
• 1:22:02
  intense rules around search and seizure and they didn't have
• 1:22:05
  enough evidence to go into Le Nardo's home.
• 1:22:09
  So instead they looked into the letters, And that is where kind
• 1:22:13
  of a fatal flaw happen. Lonardo didn't go to the other
• 1:22:18
  cities. She had Giuseppe go and drop off
• 1:22:22
  the packages. Those ladders.
• 1:22:26
  And the police are like, well, all this money was taken from
• 1:22:30
  these women. He's about to leave town and go
• 1:22:35
  to war. He killed them to start a new
• 1:22:37
  life for himself. They take Giuseppe and he has no
• 1:22:42
  idea what they are talking about.
• 1:22:45
  He had not, he the only woman he's even seen was Virginia
• 1:22:47
  because she was famous. Yeah.
• 1:22:50
  A couple hours later, Leonardo shows up at the police station,
• 1:22:54
  banging on the door, she's like I did it.
• 1:22:57
  It was me we mustn't. Go please.
• 1:22:59
  Yep. They like, come on lady.
• 1:23:03
  You're just trying to save your son, but then she describes the
• 1:23:07
  murder in some real intense details, and I'm going to read
• 1:23:10
  you a couple of these quote, that let's go.
• 1:23:12
  She said, I threw the pieces into a pot.
• 1:23:15
  Added seven, kilos of caustic soda, which is sodium hydroxide,
• 1:23:19
  which I had bought. To make soap and stir the
• 1:23:21
  mixture until the pieces dissolved into a thick, dark
• 1:23:23
  mush. But I poured into several
• 1:23:24
  buckets and a, in a nearby septic tank ask for the blood in
• 1:23:27
  the Basin. I waited until a coagulated
• 1:23:30
  dried it in the oven grounded and mix it with flour.
• 1:23:32
  Sugar, chocolate, milk, and eggs, as well as a bit of
• 1:23:34
  margarine. Needing all the ingredients
• 1:23:36
  together. I made lots of crunchy tea cakes
• 1:23:38
  and serve them. To the ladies who came to visit
• 1:23:41
  Giuseppe and I also ate them. Yeah, then of Virginia.
• 1:23:45
  She says she ended up in the pot.
• 1:23:47
  Just like the other two her flesh was fat and It had melted,
• 1:23:51
  I added a bottle of cologne and after a long time on the boil, I
• 1:23:54
  was able to make some of the most acceptable, creamy soap.
• 1:23:57
  I gave bars to the neighbors and acquaintances.
• 1:24:00
  The takes two were better. That woman was really sweet.
• 1:24:06
  So creepy now across three women, she had stolen about
• 1:24:10
  83,000 wire which is about ninety.
• 1:24:13
  Eight hundred US dollars in 1940 which is about a hundred
• 1:24:16
  eighty-one thousand dollars right now.
• 1:24:20
  A lot of money. Not bad.
• 1:24:23
  No, as this is happening. Giuseppe still in the room?
• 1:24:26
  He turns. White starts vomiting in the
• 1:24:31
  police station. And he now realizes what she's
• 1:24:34
  been up to for the last nine months and he told the police
• 1:24:37
  she has an entire study devoted to Witchcraft lonardo was very
• 1:24:41
  Frank. She's like, yeah, I did this to
• 1:24:43
  protect him and the police were sympathetic at first because
• 1:24:46
  they're like, oh, she's just trying to help her son.
• 1:24:49
  They were kind of scared by the end of the interview.
• 1:24:52
  See why the pain? Sorry, children and Rafael are
• 1:24:55
  shunned immediately, the soap business dead.
• 1:24:59
  Stolen money gone and the children actually, leave
• 1:25:02
  coraggio before she even goes to trial.
• 1:25:05
  Wow, Giuseppe was happy to leave and go to the military.
• 1:25:09
  He even stopped by the jail to visit her.
• 1:25:11
  Oh he'd already been. He was already really upset
• 1:25:14
  about the bath situation. You okay.
• 1:25:16
  Yes, I so adding the back and you ate me.
• 1:25:19
  You made me. Eat people he's done.
• 1:25:23
  This relationship is dead. Oh work.
• 1:25:27
  She's done for check. Him six years later goes to
• 1:25:30
  trial. And court, she identifies the
• 1:25:34
  axe, the basins, the pot. She used for a crime.
• 1:25:37
  She's very like poignant about correcting, the prosecutor on
• 1:25:41
  things he has wrong about what she actually did.
• 1:25:44
  She's very much lapping up this attention.
• 1:25:49
  She tells the judge that she had to give up some of the items
• 1:25:54
  because during the war they needed metal.
• 1:25:58
  So she had to give a ball of her ladles and things that she used.
• 1:26:00
  So they're not there. Oh, right right.
• 1:26:02
  Of course she narrates. These crimes in detail on the
• 1:26:06
  stand in front of the victims families.
• 1:26:09
  She's making crash jokes. She's cackling That's all day.
• 1:26:14
  One day two and three though, things get a little harder for
• 1:26:17
  a, she gets a little bit more emotional.
• 1:26:18
  She starts kind of unraveling in front of everybody and expert
• 1:26:22
  comes in and it's like listen it's there's no way she can do
• 1:26:27
  what she said she did best bodies, don't degrade like that
• 1:26:32
  and only a day. She gets up and she starts
• 1:26:36
  yelling at him. You bring me a body, I'll do it
• 1:26:40
  right now. Anybody young or old?
• 1:26:43
  They end up having to drag her out of the room as she's
• 1:26:46
  screaming at him because he dared tell her that she couldn't
• 1:26:49
  actually do it. Oh my God and it is true though
• 1:26:53
  because if anybody was the expert on how to do what she did
• 1:26:56
  it was her. Yes it's true.
• 1:26:57
  Yeah, how dare you were doubting her?
• 1:27:02
  She's convicted after only three days, she's given 30 years in
• 1:27:04
  prison and three years in an asylum.
• 1:27:08
  The court could tell from how she spoke that she was real
• 1:27:11
  unwell, and definitely psychotic.
• 1:27:14
  And the Romani woman had been right on one hand, prison the
• 1:27:17
  other and Asylum, she'll bows. She spent the next 24 years at
• 1:27:22
  pizzoli prison, she was rather popular after six years of the
• 1:27:26
  investigation and that rather explosive testimony.
• 1:27:30
  Even though she went to jail for boiling women into soap.
• 1:27:34
  They are like, gotta give her a job and she's Good in the
• 1:27:38
  kitchen. So, she worked as a cook.
• 1:27:43
  Okay, cool, cool. Well, all of the inmates were
• 1:27:47
  like bet. This is awesome.
• 1:27:48
  The desserts are great and Leonardo's like you, hey guard,
• 1:27:52
  you can have some and not a. One of them wanted to taste
• 1:27:56
  anything. She made.
• 1:27:57
  What? What right there?
• 1:28:00
  Oh my God, I'm pretty sure they tasted delicious. so, She very
• 1:28:09
  much like all the attention she got.
• 1:28:13
  Psychiatrist came interviewed her for books.
• 1:28:16
  She wrote her own book. It's called the confessions of
• 1:28:18
  an embittered soul. I could not find the whole thing
• 1:28:21
  translated into English, but I did find it, okay?
• 1:28:25
  A lot of it matches, the story that I told you today, but I
• 1:28:28
  told you she took some Liberties.
• 1:28:29
  Mmm. She said she was using sex,
• 1:28:31
  magic. She was seducing, man.
• 1:28:33
  She slept with all of her friends, husbands I mean, Sex,
• 1:28:39
  Magic is a thing. It's a thing in the thing.
• 1:28:45
  She even said she had a lover in prison, but I'm also not sure I
• 1:28:48
  believe that one either because the guards were actually
• 1:28:51
  terrified of her. They wouldn't eat anything from
• 1:28:54
  her. I don't think they were willing
• 1:28:55
  to dip their toe in that. Well, also fun facts.
• 1:29:02
  The book also includes recipes oh, including the cannibal Tea
• 1:29:06
  cake recipe. It is totally in there.
• 1:29:09
  I may need to get this book twenty years into her sentence.
• 1:29:14
  She as a minor stroke or what they think is a stroke.
• 1:29:20
  The doctors keep like what happens if she keeps having
• 1:29:23
  these weird moments? It seemed like Strokes can't
• 1:29:25
  figure it out. Why?
• 1:29:28
  They realize she has a brain bleed, but they also don't
• 1:29:31
  understand where that came from. And then they were like, they
• 1:29:37
  looked into the process of what she did to the victims.
• 1:29:41
  She was poisoned by the caustic soda Vapors when she was
• 1:29:46
  rendering the fat of the people because when it's a small amount
• 1:29:50
  of fat, it wasn't nearly the same amount.
• 1:29:52
  But imagine trying to that was a lot of pans.
• 1:29:56
  There was a lot of that vapor and she was breathing it in and
• 1:29:59
  you have a mask on the same thing.
• 1:30:01
  She used to kill her victims. Had made a very small hole in
• 1:30:05
  her brain and it wouldn't stop bleeding.
• 1:30:08
  A strange Karma. Hmm.
• 1:30:12
  She finished her time at the women's prison.
• 1:30:13
  She went to the psych prison and that is where she died on
• 1:30:16
  October 14th 1971 year before her release.
• 1:30:20
  No, the blood build up just cause too much pressure and her
• 1:30:23
  skull these days. Obviously, we would just drill a
• 1:30:26
  hole in someone's head and relieve that pressure to help
• 1:30:30
  them. Honestly, you could repair what
• 1:30:32
  happened to her, too. Yeah, but we didn't have that
• 1:30:35
  kind of medicine back then. I don't know of neurosurgery,
• 1:30:38
  was even a thing we were doing and 1970.
• 1:30:41
  T in rural Italy, one of my friends visit her family in
• 1:30:47
  rural Italy. And she said it was awesome.
• 1:30:49
  Really different experience than going to the tourist spots.
• 1:30:52
  I believe it. The official death was listed as
• 1:30:56
  cerebral apoplexy She was 76 years old, and she was making
• 1:31:02
  jokes with, and made some orderlies up until she died.
• 1:31:06
  Hmm, her family could not be found to claim her body.
• 1:31:11
  Italy worried that her grave site could become a spot for
• 1:31:14
  desecration catch desecration but also for excitement.
• 1:31:20
  So they were like they're worried that people are going to
• 1:31:22
  be like oh we're going to visit the soap maker.
• 1:31:25
  They wanted to become like a place where people could go for
• 1:31:27
  like a tourist attraction. Okay.
• 1:31:29
  She was cremated, her cremains were disposed somewhere.
• 1:31:34
  Not turn into soup not turning this out, dude.
• 1:31:37
  So, the next question, the real question here is Did she outlive
• 1:31:42
  her children like the first fortune teller prom?
• 1:31:45
  Right? When did you say p?
• 1:31:47
  Well, first things first she outlived Raphael He actually
• 1:31:52
  died in a small rural Village further south.
• 1:31:57
  He had taken to drinking after learning of what she did and he
• 1:32:01
  died before she even went to trial.
• 1:32:03
  Oh wow! Yep, her three youngest children
• 1:32:06
  could not legally change their name.
• 1:32:08
  The process to change your name involve creating a paper trail.
• 1:32:12
  So what they believe happened is that more than likely they used
• 1:32:16
  like a name of their own just locally and it was just never
• 1:32:21
  registered because they didn't start registering.
• 1:32:28
  You know we have like Social Security and things like that.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah, that didn't happen until 20th century.
• 1:32:35
  Italy. Okay.
• 1:32:37
  And it was World War Two so it's very likely.
• 1:32:39
  They were easy to like slip through the cracks.
• 1:32:41
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:32:42
  I know what happened to them. They set off in the distance and
• 1:32:46
  Giuseppe, he went to war, he was deployed to the African theater.
• 1:32:51
  And then later redirected to the Tunisian campaign in May of
• 1:32:55
  1943, the Africa Corps Was Defeated and the Ready of the
• 1:32:59
  Italian first Army were captured and taken to the UK as prisoners
• 1:33:02
  of War. When searching through those
• 1:33:05
  records for prisoners of War, there is no one by the name of
• 1:33:09
  Giuseppe Prince already. His name is not in any death
• 1:33:13
  records as well. What happened?
• 1:33:17
  I think that it's possible that it could have been situation
• 1:33:20
  where he took the credentials of someone else who died on the
• 1:33:26
  battlefield and just lives a different person that could have
• 1:33:30
  been very easy. Like I said, they didn't do Mass
• 1:33:32
  registration until the 20th century Cherie.
• 1:33:35
  It's highly plausible that he either lived as a different
• 1:33:37
  person for the rest of his life. Or he could have died on the
• 1:33:40
  battlefield. That that we don't know if
• 1:33:44
  that's possible. But yeah, it's something that
• 1:33:47
  used to happen. Yeah, it is the madman thing
• 1:33:50
  that happened on the TV show. Mad Men, I don't know what, he
• 1:33:52
  just took the name of another guy who was already dead.
• 1:33:54
  Oh, and lived a new life. I never watch Madmen, but no,
• 1:33:57
  it's so there's another serial killer.
• 1:34:00
  And he was a Nazi scientist, right?
• 1:34:03
  What's his frickin name is Dave? I know you're talking about.
• 1:34:06
  Yeah that guy, he did the same thing.
• 1:34:08
  He just took somebody else's credentials and yeah it'd be.
• 1:34:10
  Another person went to a whole other country.
• 1:34:12
  And everything. Yeah, it's find out till way
• 1:34:14
  later. Exactly.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah. So and that time period, it
• 1:34:17
  would be very likely. It's probably likely that.
• 1:34:20
  We just don't know the name that he went by after that.
• 1:34:22
  Okay, well hopefully, he survived long because his mom
• 1:34:26
  went through a lot to help me survive, because it's mom killed
• 1:34:30
  people survived, because he survived.
• 1:34:34
  Well, that's where is awful. Yes, that's who but me.
• 1:34:37
  Regardless of whether he lived a survived, The day he found out
• 1:34:41
  about that. Yeah, it was the end for them.
• 1:34:44
  Yeah, terrible. I'm yeah, that is all I have for
• 1:34:49
  you today. That was a good one.
• 1:34:53
  Applause. Yay.
• 1:34:57
  And before we start yours, I do want to talk about something
• 1:34:59
  really quick. It's not going to be like a
• 1:35:00
  whole ad and know something. I don't like ads but there is
• 1:35:04
  something that I am super interested in.
• 1:35:06
  It's called and if I go missing file and I'm working with a
• 1:35:09
  company called help you find me. If it's just, it helps you
• 1:35:13
  create an online file of all of your Vital Records.
• 1:35:16
  So that if you go missing, you can give those to the police and
• 1:35:20
  you don't have to wait for the police to request.
• 1:35:23
  Documents, which can take weeks these can be given to the
• 1:35:26
  police, like the day you go missing.
• 1:35:28
  I think it's really cool. And the code to get 20% off is
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  w/kg. C20, it's on the website.
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  They give you a free 15 days just so you can look it over.
• 1:35:40
  But like the cheapest plan is only 19 bucks, regardless of
• 1:35:43
  whether I had an account or not with them.
• 1:35:45
  Like I think this is really cool.
• 1:35:46
  I have an account with them. I don't think Brian's checked it
• 1:35:48
  out yet, but he also checked it out.
• 1:35:51
  You did you make you think? Hell yeah you should just go to
• 1:35:56
  the link that I have is pretty cool.
• 1:35:58
  Like I said, I it's in the majority of us are probably not
• 1:36:01
  going to get murdered but the guy who made it the guy created
• 1:36:06
  the actual website did it because he was so tired of
• 1:36:11
  whenever he went on a trip, his mom and his wife would harass
• 1:36:16
  him for details so you can put like your travel plans on there.
• 1:36:20
  So anytime someone's worried about you they can You and you
• 1:36:24
  can give them access. Yeah.
• 1:36:25
  This would have been probably good for.
• 1:36:27
  This is probably good for parents with college kids.
• 1:36:29
  Yes. Because college kids don't like
• 1:36:30
  to call home and parents want to know.
• 1:36:33
  I barely like to call home now. I'm like, hey, I look really
• 1:36:36
  bad. I'm like, I gotta call my dad
• 1:36:37
  and like a month. I think about him all the time.
• 1:36:40
  That matter. Is that counts, right?
• 1:36:42
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:43
  I think so. But I thought it was really cool
• 1:36:45
  and it's definitely something that I thought you all would.
• 1:36:48
  Like I have never taken like an official real lad from any
• 1:36:54
  company. Because I think that I don't
• 1:36:56
  want to sell you guys. The coldest water bottles or
• 1:37:00
  other, crap like that. Those water bottles are pretty
• 1:37:03
  awesome. There are 150 dollars.
• 1:37:05
  Brian. Who is gonna spend $150 on a
• 1:37:07
  water bottle, sir? Nobody, nobody know.
• 1:37:10
  I think my, my awesome thermos was like, $30.
• 1:37:13
  Exactly. That's outlandish.
• 1:37:17
  But I just, you know, that's my thing.
• 1:37:19
  So, so, what do you have for us today?
• 1:37:25
  Brian. All right, I have a lovely
• 1:37:29
  lovely tale for you. Is it sad?
• 1:37:33
  No. Okay, not today.
• 1:37:35
  Why I haven't done any sad ones yet.
• 1:37:38
  You something good. Okay, I think I have.
• 1:37:42
  It was just me. You do?
• 1:37:43
  Ya know, paranormal is more of the funny goofy side.
• 1:37:47
  You true crying. It's the doubter.
• 1:37:51
  Listen, you asked to be part of this.
• 1:37:53
  Oh, goodness. Or did I ask you to be a part of
• 1:37:56
  this? I think we both asked
• 1:38:00
  definitely. Oh, so it's September.
• 1:38:03
  Okay. Meaning almost time for
• 1:38:06
  Halloween. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:38:07
  It's like as soon as I hit September, you're just like What
• 1:38:12
  is what is Autumn anymore? It's spooky season.
• 1:38:15
  The whole bottom. All of it.
• 1:38:16
  My favorite time of the year. There's numerous fall.
• 1:38:18
  Just spooky season berth. Miss yes, We had time to get
• 1:38:25
  those costumes ready for your kiddos and for yourself, too.
• 1:38:29
  It's getting cooler at night autumns in the air and it's the
• 1:38:33
  perfect time to wear a striped sweater.
• 1:38:37
  Why is the perfect time to wear striped sweater shirt?
• 1:38:39
  Because it's all the time with is the perfect time to wear a
• 1:38:43
  striped sweater sweater. But what color are those drapes
• 1:38:45
  please. Cuz when you say stroke sweater
• 1:38:47
  I think where's Waldo? Oh my God.
• 1:38:49
  No. Okay.
• 1:38:51
  Azula SpongeBob. Pretty sorry.
• 1:38:55
  My brain went where's Waldo? Oh my God.
• 1:38:59
  And I have seen the garden teacher.
• 1:39:01
  Oh, hmm. Anyway, that is unless you live,
• 1:39:06
  in Fairfax County, Virginia. Okay?
• 1:39:09
  There's an urban legend about a man, his, his white suit and his
• 1:39:14
  Hatchet. This is the money man urban
• 1:39:20
  legend. Heard of them is this person
• 1:39:25
  actually a real person. Yes, I think I do know this.
• 1:39:31
  I'm going to say yes because there's actual accounts of this
• 1:39:34
  and there's actual proof of this person, existing know, there was
• 1:39:38
  like a person. I remember this one story and
• 1:39:41
  people thought he was scary but really had a disability.
• 1:39:44
  Oh, that's another thing I guess.
• 1:39:45
  I'll go for one. Yeah, that's another thing I
• 1:39:47
  told the Green Man up in like 20.
• 1:39:49
  Yeah, that was what I was thinking, Ohio.
• 1:39:52
  Like, that's what I was thinking at your entire me about.
• 1:39:54
  Yeah, so wrong one, buddy. Man, I'd this sounds familiar.
• 1:39:57
  How so. All right.
• 1:39:59
  So there's an actual like urban legend behind this.
• 1:40:03
  So I'm going to tell that after I do this, after I do like the
• 1:40:06
  to actual reports. Oh happened.
• 1:40:09
  So okay, so story. So we have first, you know
• 1:40:13
  accounts? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:40:15
  So there are two initial reports that like everybody knows or you
• 1:40:20
  know, whoever tells his tale, they know.
• 1:40:24
  So it's October 19. 1970 in Air Force Academy Cadet.
• 1:40:32
  His name is Robert Bennett and his fiancee are on our way to
• 1:40:36
  visit a relative after they go to the football game.
• 1:40:41
  So this is around midnight and they Park on Guinea Road since,
• 1:40:47
  you know, Bennett's Uncle he lives right across the street
• 1:40:50
  from there. So we're just like, let's just
• 1:40:51
  pop in and say hi. Okay.
• 1:40:55
  So we're sitting in her car is still on, you know idling just
• 1:40:59
  blah talking probably who knows what they're doing in the car?
• 1:41:02
  Yeah, the time period. When Zodiac Killer would just
• 1:41:04
  show up and kill people. Yeah.
• 1:41:10
  So they notice something moving like in their rear window.
• 1:41:18
  Uh-huh. And before they even know it,
• 1:41:23
  there's something thrown through their passenger side window from
• 1:41:28
  room and yep. As soon as it happens Bennett
• 1:41:33
  puts the car and drive or he reverses it out of his parking
• 1:41:37
  spot and he just speeds off. Listen, we call We call Uncle
• 1:41:40
  Jimmy when we get home. Well, they're driving away, they
• 1:41:44
  can hear this person screaming at them about them.
• 1:41:48
  Trespassing and that that he got their plates are tags or
• 1:41:52
  whatever. And you know, not to be around
• 1:41:55
  there. Wow.
• 1:41:57
  So as they're driving, they noticed what was drawn through
• 1:42:01
  their car window and it's a hatchet or a small axe or
• 1:42:07
  whatever aggressive, what was only See what you can deem
• 1:42:11
  trespassing. Exactly.
• 1:42:13
  That is some super care and behavior.
• 1:42:19
  So think what the notice about this man, or his person was that
• 1:42:24
  he was wearing like, oh wait, like a kind of like a white suit
• 1:42:28
  peculiar, it's really weird Colonel Sanders.
• 1:42:31
  Yeah, so they head to the police, you know, they give them
• 1:42:36
  the report Bennett eggs, a feature that his fiancee did Not
• 1:42:43
  notice or that she did not remember.
• 1:42:47
  Yeah, she's like no that didn't happen.
• 1:42:50
  That wasn't, that's not what you saw, but he he told the police
• 1:42:55
  that he saw that, the guy had long white rabbit ears on his
• 1:43:00
  head too. So the police think this guys
• 1:43:02
  wearing a costume and harassing people.
• 1:43:04
  Yeah. So that's that's first account,
• 1:43:12
  okay? Second account, October 29th.
• 1:43:15
  Same year. So, just a couple weeks later.
• 1:43:19
  Yeah. Ten days later, a cus truck and
• 1:43:23
  construction security guard. He approaches this guy because
• 1:43:27
  you know, he's in his work area and this is where they're
• 1:43:31
  building houses and stuff. Okay.
• 1:43:33
  So he approaches his guy who's like standing on this Like
• 1:43:37
  half-finished Houses porch, right?
• 1:43:40
  And he's like, The guy he's staring at the construct, the
• 1:43:47
  security guard, and he's like using this Hatchet or axe thing
• 1:43:52
  and he's just stabbing this this mail post with it and just
• 1:43:58
  staring at him like threateningly weird.
• 1:44:02
  Yeah. Again this is one guinea any
• 1:44:06
  drive or get it. Road is obviously somebody from
• 1:44:08
  around the area. Yeah but why does he feel like
• 1:44:12
  he owns this? This whole town.
• 1:44:14
  I don't know. So for this road yeah the guard
• 1:44:18
  reported that the man was Ring a gray black and white bunny suit
• 1:44:24
  and he was chopping. Like, as I just chopping up the
• 1:44:26
  porch post with an X and said something about trespassing and
• 1:44:31
  that if the guard Got any closer to them that he chopped his head
• 1:44:38
  off. I'm hunting people hunting
• 1:44:42
  wabbits, not wabbits. And of course, this report to
• 1:44:48
  the police, but with very little evidence, you know, the case was
• 1:44:55
  yeah, closed. So, there's nothing that came
• 1:44:57
  out of this report or the first report because there's like
• 1:45:00
  nothing like when they showed the police to ask from the first
• 1:45:03
  one and hopefully so like, okay this is like the 70s, so I don't
• 1:45:08
  think fingerprinting was a thing back, then, it was a thing.
• 1:45:11
  But like, even now fingerprinting isn't exactly a
• 1:45:15
  really good sign. That's true too.
• 1:45:16
  Yeah we've met they just look at a list of fingerprints and go
• 1:45:19
  that one looks like it it's really not a sound science even
• 1:45:23
  now so I'm sure if it was more guesswork back then too and like
• 1:45:28
  the guy was in a suit so his hands could have been covered.
• 1:45:31
  This is true too. No, no white for patches or
• 1:45:34
  nothing like that either. Yeah, this might not have left
• 1:45:38
  any DNA behind it all? No.
• 1:45:42
  So, that's the mystery. So, apparently there is an
• 1:45:47
  underpass that they called the bunnyman bridge which okay, is
• 1:45:53
  around this area, too. Hold Up, Wait A Minute, Man.
• 1:46:00
  Funny man, bridge and is it. New Guinea.
• 1:46:03
  Is that the situation? It's called the Colchester
• 1:46:12
  overpass. Okay.
• 1:46:15
  So this was built in 1906. Oh wow.
• 1:46:18
  Yeah so This. Now, this is part of this urban
• 1:46:24
  legend. Okay, so I want to read to you.
• 1:46:26
  So I'm just going to say that and apparently Ghost Hunters.
• 1:46:32
  I've been there too because of the urban legend.
• 1:46:35
  Well, now I have to go watch the episode soon as you leave.
• 1:46:38
  I didn't say ghost adventure so I think Ghost Hunters who knows
• 1:46:43
  they may actually might have gone there.
• 1:46:45
  I didn't who fucking knows, who knows what Baggins well Ghost
• 1:46:50
  Hunters was the ones from Taps, right?
• 1:46:53
  Yeah, I like them they have a show.
• 1:46:57
  Now it just doesn't have It is a new show.
• 1:47:00
  Hmm I'd watch that. Then they have one from the one
• 1:47:03
  like chubby your guy that's called like Ghost Hunters
• 1:47:08
  internet like it's something was like be a go around the country
• 1:47:12
  to talk to different people but then the other guy, the bald
• 1:47:16
  one. Hmm.
• 1:47:17
  He has a new one too and it's him and some of the regular guys
• 1:47:20
  and grants just they're still friendly.
• 1:47:22
  He just wanted to devote time to his family.
• 1:47:24
  I mean, yeah my mom spent like 15 plus years doing The show.
• 1:47:29
  Yeah, so yeah, it's a lot, that is a lot.
• 1:47:33
  And, you know, a parasocial relationships being have, they
• 1:47:36
  are people think they know you because they watch you on TV.
• 1:47:39
  So I'm sure he probably got a lot of creepy creepy responses,
• 1:47:43
  I believe it, you know, so he prized want to be there was
• 1:47:45
  kids. So, yeah.
• 1:47:46
  So the other guys are still doing a show though, okay.
• 1:47:50
  So I could watch that one. I like them.
• 1:47:51
  They're nice people. Mmm, don't yell goes, no, don't
• 1:47:55
  don't say what's up demons. Sure, boy.
• 1:47:57
  Yo, dad. Ashamed.
• 1:47:59
  A I know testing fate with writing for Cara.
• 1:48:06
  Look that's all I can say. That's all I could think of when
• 1:48:10
  I'm like if I'm trying to talk to a ghost if I said it's the
• 1:48:14
  best thing ever picture of him with his sunglasses on what's up
• 1:48:18
  demons. It's your boy shit boy.
• 1:48:21
  Ha ha ha that's the only thing I could think of when I'm
• 1:48:24
  questioning demons, what's up dean of this?
• 1:48:26
  Your boy, yeah you are. demon also got to let you know now
• 1:48:31
  that you have put The Warrens episodes on YouTube.
• 1:48:37
  People have a lot to say about the Warren.
• 1:48:38
  Oh my God. I just said, I'm not saying
• 1:48:41
  nothing. Okay.
• 1:48:45
  Well, we're not saying nothing, I'm gonna get to this urban
• 1:48:48
  legend then, yes, it's a, it's a nice long story.
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  So, yes, settlement, it's nice. I like to, I like to add stories
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  to my segments. It just, I don't know.
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  Just add some flavor. Y'all can see that as over here
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  dancing. So this is called the Clifton
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  Bunny Man. So it tells a bunny man goes
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  back. Many, many years originally.
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  It didn't start until 1931 after many murders.
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  Had already been committed for verification list or you can
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  visit the old Clifton library located in Clifton Norfolk,
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  Virginia, Northern Virginia USA. What I'm about to tell you is
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  entirely true, although I've never seen them bunnyman
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  everyone in Clifton believes it to be true, okay?
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  But how many other people in Clifton is, That matters.
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  I mean, you know, lots of people see the Jersey Devil.
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  This is true, so quick reference to help you understand the
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  story. The Bridge has a one-lane car
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  Road. Passing underneath a dual Rail
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  Road Track above it within within the woods as like one
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  lane. Ya rabbee bridge.
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  And you said oh because the train tracks.
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  Okay. Yeah, we have one right over by
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  my house to say. I know you're talking about.
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  Yeah. Back in 1903, deep in Clifton,
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  there used to be an asylum buried deep within the
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  Wilderness of Clifton. Pretty soon.
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  After the Civil War, people begin a people started inhabited
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  area population wise around 300 or so, it was a very small town.
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  Nonetheless people didn't like the idea of having an asylum
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  miles down the road. So, they all got together inside
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  a petition petition, stating for the Asylum to relocate.
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  Elsewhere, stupid, petition has an a new ice Asylum was built.
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  Which is now known as Morton Prison.
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  Okay, a temporary facility until convicts are appropriately.
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  Sentenced. Oh okay.
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  We have some like that. I won't say the city because
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  it's very close to us but there's one not that far from us
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  where they do all the testing and stuff here.
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  Okay that's cool. And fall of 1900 for the
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  convicts were gathered and piled into the bus, which was to
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  transport them to Lorton somehow.
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  During the drive, not too far from where he left the driver
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  had swerved to avoid something in the bus had started to tip
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  and soon was rolling into a terrible Collision Course.
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  Most of the convicts were injured but had managed to
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  escape the bus and had fled into the night Woods.
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  Of course, you know, later on the next morning, a local police
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  investigation had begun and they had begun rounding up the
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  escaped convicts hours turned into days days into weeks weeks
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  and two months, everyone was recovered after 4 months.
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  Except for two people. Marcus a wall stir and Douglas J
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  Griffin. Griffin in Bowling Green.
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  It's not two EPS but it's one F. So.
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  Okay, hmm. During a search for both men.
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  The police randomly found dead. Rabbits, eat half eaten and the
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  December dismembered. Every now and then along their
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  search, okay? Finally, they were to find
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  Marcus dead himself by the Fairfax Station bridge.
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  Now known as bunny Mansbridge, and in his hand, he held a
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  man-made Hammer knife, like tool.
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  Made into his made with a sharp rock in a pretty sturdy Branch
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  as a handle. So it like a makeshift X.
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  Okay? They thought nothing in in cared
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  not to not have how he died. Only that he was apprehended and
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  no longer had to worry about him.
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  So, okay. They had a name for Marcus but
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  later on the would realize they had named the wrong person that
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  money man. Oh still searching for Douglas.
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  They kept on finding half dead. Half eaten bunnies every so
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  often. Well the search went on finally
• 1:53:33
  they were it's named Douglas the bunny man from their own three
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  months passed on Class by and and the police had given up
• 1:53:43
  their search and April 7th on April 17th, 1905.
• 1:53:49
  Everybody assumed the money man was dead by now if not going.
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  So they went on with their small-time lives come October he
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  will start seeing dead bunnies. Reappearing out of the blue and
• 1:54:02
  started to fear the Unseen. Halloween night came around and
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  as usual, a bunch of kids had gone over to the bridge that
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  night to drink and do whatever kids their age did.
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  And 1900 midnight came around within minutes and most of the
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  kids had left. Only three of them remained at
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  the bridge. Right at midnight.
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  Supposedly a bright light back food within the bridge where the
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  kids were less than a couple seconds.
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  Wait, hold on, where the kids were in less than a couple of
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  seconds later? They were all dead.
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  Throat slash with the same type of tool that was found by the
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  other escapee Marcus. Not only where the throat slash,
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  but all of them, but all up and down their chest where a long
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  slide, we're long. Slashes, the gutting them.
• 1:55:05
  To top it off the bunny, man. Humming both the guys from one
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  of the bridge from one end of the bridge with a rope around
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  her neck hanging from the overpass with their legs
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  dangling. In front of the passing cars,
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  this is a lot. Yeah.
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  The women were hung the same way.
• 1:55:30
  On the other side of the bridge, this happened on Halloween and
• 1:55:34
  1905 after that, he didn't see or hear anything from him for
• 1:55:39
  another year, okay? Halloween 1906.
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  Okay was approaching and parents as well as teens and Clifton.
• 1:55:49
  Still remembered an incident that had occurred one year ago
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  at the bridge. His Bridge, bunny, Mansbridge,
• 1:55:57
  That night 17s were left and raining right before midnight at
• 1:56:02
  the bridge. Thinking little of it six remain
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  inside the bridge. While one, Adrian atala had
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  remained a good distance from the bridge hoping to have enough
• 1:56:16
  time to escape. If the same thing happened,
• 1:56:18
  again, at midnight, she witnessed only this, a dim light
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  walking the railroad track, right?
• 1:56:26
  Before midnight stopping right above the bridge, at midnight,
• 1:56:31
  then disappearing at the same time.
• 1:56:34
  As a bright flash was inside the bridge, she heard the deafening
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  sounds over horrific, screams coming from inside the bridge
• 1:56:42
  that lasted only a seconds. Five seconds later they were all
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  hung from the edge of the bridge.
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  Same style as the corpses like a year later or earlier.
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  Horrified, she ran home. She didn't tell of everything.
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  She saw just as batter words here, there that some of the
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  folk put together to come up with her story.
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  No one understood it or even believe her.
• 1:57:14
  Hmm. I don't like it.
• 1:57:15
  You like it? They charged her, they charged
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  her with the murder. No, and locked her up in an
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  asylum Lauren in 1913. The same thing happened with
• 1:57:28
  nine teenagers this time Halloween night again.
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  Yeah, so next time, I think it's her.
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  So she still locked up, Adrian still locked up, they dropped
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  her sentence, but it was too late.
• 1:57:41
  The insanity had finally conquered her.
• 1:57:44
  Even if she was released, she was too far gone to have a
• 1:57:48
  decent life. So she spent the remaining years
• 1:57:50
  in the Asylum, until she finally died in 1953 of shock.
• 1:57:57
  Yeah, no one knows. Exactly.
• 1:58:00
  What is actually? She died in shock from but
• 1:58:03
  supposedly, she had died in her dreams, dreaming of that one
• 1:58:08
  dreaded night. Perhaps the buddy man had
• 1:58:11
  finally gotten to her, hmm. More murders were to take place.
• 1:58:16
  However, although after the murders in 1913, most people
• 1:58:20
  stay clear as a bridge on Halloween, 1943 Rose around and
• 1:58:25
  six teenagers, go strolling out on Halloween night, a couple
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  hours later. All of them that the same way as
• 1:58:33
  the others investigations took place.
• 1:58:36
  But as usual, nothing was discovered 1976 the same
• 1:58:42
  situation occurs this time with only three people though.
• 1:58:47
  The only other incident that occurred since then was in, 1987
• 1:58:52
  12 years 12 years ago from when this was written, right?
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  Janet chart charger? Yes, that's her name.
• 1:59:07
  Charge heart. Oh, I don't know, whatever.
• 1:59:10
  Was enjoying a night with her. Four friends Halloween night had
• 1:59:14
  finally come, and they had gone driving out.
• 1:59:17
  To enjoy the night after invading the children's caning
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  base. So rating, the children can t be
• 1:59:24
  forever. It's settled around 11:00 at the
• 1:59:28
  bridge waiting for a midnight to come.
• 1:59:32
  They didn't believe in the myth. So they decided to see for
• 1:59:34
  themselves and we're bound to be the only ones who actually
• 1:59:39
  withstood the bunny man. They had waited about 55 minutes
• 1:59:44
  or so almost at midnight until Janet started getting a little
• 1:59:48
  scared. They all had been pulling pranks
• 1:59:51
  on each other, you know, jumping out of the bushes and screaming,
• 1:59:55
  so she was already a little worked out.
• 1:59:59
  Well, yeah, midnight hits. While she is completely freaked
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  out, she's almost at the bridge. When the lights get really
• 2:00:08
  bright inside the bridge, when that happens, her body is
• 2:00:11
  halfway outside of the bridge. She sees her skin start tearing
• 2:00:16
  at her chest, but nothing is piercing her skin.
• 2:00:20
  She manages finally to exit the bridge completely horrified, she
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  hits a hanging body in knocks herself out.
• 2:00:28
  Oh, Lord, when she wakes, she finds out that she finds out her
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  hair, turned white, and that she has been bleeding.
• 2:00:37
  She was lucky that the cut had just heard it and wasn't very
• 2:00:41
  Bad at all. She left and never returned to
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  the bridge again. She has been sitting on his
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  swinging bench on her balcony every morning.
• 2:00:51
  Just staring in the direction towards the bridge, a couple of
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  miles down. She just day, you can still find
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  her on that bench every morning from then on the storage Wells,
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  untouched and unmoved Halloween night.
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  You will find a bunch of people hanging around the bridge
• 2:01:10
  drinking smoking up. But within minutes of midnight,
• 2:01:13
  everyone leaves nah that's good. It's been like That for the past
• 2:01:17
  five years and that I have visited and that I have visited
• 2:01:22
  the bridge on Halloween night, even if it's not Halloween
• 2:01:25
  night, any night you go there, you feel the presence of death
• 2:01:28
  waiting waiting, the night sky of Halloween, yearning for more
• 2:01:34
  blood to be spilled in a name. In his name, funny, man.
• 2:01:42
  So, basically Halo that look on your face, bass, got ridiculous.
• 2:01:56
  look, if you're in became of all the things that didn't happen,
• 2:02:00
  this didn't happen the most See, you gotta learn when to pull
• 2:02:06
  back on these stories, people write online.
• 2:02:08
  You know, I know. I know that's why.
• 2:02:11
  No sleep is so good. It be subtle.
• 2:02:14
  Yeah, but this one's oh, this is like like a 10 year old story.
• 2:02:17
  I think 70s right. Huh, 70s right?
• 2:02:24
  Yeah. But this is not, I mean, just
• 2:02:25
  this story was written like 10 years ago.
• 2:02:27
  Someone wrote this on. This is an archives.
• 2:02:31
  So what do you call that? A, like a light, not live
• 2:02:34
  Journal? Oh gosh, the blog.
• 2:02:36
  What does black Pages has angles?
• 2:02:38
  No, no before sanghas. Long before that.
• 2:02:40
  What's before xanga xango was like a little blog.
• 2:02:44
  This was, you can make your own page was Angel something.
• 2:02:48
  Oh, I think I remember you talking about, okay, probably on
• 2:02:51
  one of those dates. So I know how he's coming up,
• 2:02:57
  but please try to stay away from the body.
• 2:02:59
  Mansbridge in Virginia, you don't want to see anybody else.
• 2:03:03
  Any up on the news, Oh my goodness.
• 2:03:07
  But that's what I got. Ya, urban legend from Virginia,
• 2:03:11
  I loved it. That was.
• 2:03:14
  Yeah, you know, it's funny. Um so there are a lot of, you
• 2:03:20
  know, of course you know urban legends are a lot of popular
• 2:03:23
  culture is things. There's one I just saw.
• 2:03:27
  It was recent it's it was like a very short one, it was Adult
• 2:03:32
  Swim. You know how they do?
• 2:03:33
  The little little bumps in the middle of their, you know, the
• 2:03:36
  shows and they go to Commercial and stuff like that when they're
• 2:03:39
  coming back like the black screen with their writing on it,
• 2:03:42
  okay? They did one about the bunny man
• 2:03:47
  and they're like, so, apparently in Virginia, there's a guy
• 2:03:51
  dressed in a bunny suit carrying an Axe and frightening people
• 2:03:57
  and that's it. No, that's funny.
• 2:04:02
  Oh, goodness. But there is A movie.
• 2:04:10
  It's called Bunny, Man. But it's an exploitation Style
• 2:04:15
  version of the story. It came out in 2011.
• 2:04:18
  Interesting, well there's apparently in 2017, there's a
• 2:04:22
  Amazon original series called lure, okay?
• 2:04:26
  If you watch this out, But it uses, I guess there's a Money
• 2:04:31
  Man episode in it. There's a book, of course.
• 2:04:41
  Wait, is that a book? Yes, that's a book or a magazine
• 2:04:45
  whenever article. It's called long live, the bunny
• 2:04:47
  man. but yeah, and that's what I got for that.
• 2:04:58
  And it does like reference a Donnie Darko in here as.
• 2:05:02
  And then it's funny that you mentioned the green, the green
• 2:05:05
  man at the beginning because it represents that to okay, and a
• 2:05:09
  little bit. But yeah, that's what you got.
• 2:05:15
  That's what we got. Well, if you listen all the way
• 2:05:19
  to the end, thank you so much, you appreciate it.
• 2:05:22
  Thanks for supporting us on all of the things, the twitching and
• 2:05:27
  discords, and the website and talk Talking I've heard of
• 2:05:31
  YouTube and I'll try to figure out what name.
• 2:05:35
  What the hell you call it tick tock.
• 2:05:36
  So it's like what is tick-tocks name?
• 2:05:39
  Like I couldn't just say it anyway.
• 2:05:43
  Thanks so much. Yes, thank you guys.
• 2:05:45
  Bye.