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Killer Thriller: Cocaine, Sex, and Chippendales Murder with Jay Schwartz · Legally Brunette

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Lisa Donovan here back again with a new
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: episode of Killer Thriller. This is a continuation of my
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: chat with Jay Schwartz. We are talking about Welcome to Chippendale's,
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  Speaker 1: the Hulu series which Jay has some pretty specific feelings about,
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  Speaker 1: and he was one of the producers of the original
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Chippendales in New York City. He is now a very
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  Speaker 1: legendary Hollywood publicist. So we're gonna get back into our
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  Speaker 1: conversation talking about what did happen, what didn't happen, And
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you, what did happen was far wilder
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  Speaker 1: than what they ever cover in this show. I want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure we cover talking about the mafia and
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  Speaker 1: the bags of cash. That was me, that was you? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so right, tell me tell me about the mafia. How
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  Speaker 1: was the mafia involved the cash?
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  Speaker 3: It's well, but that's two different things, okay, right, okay,
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  Speaker 3: So it was a cash business.
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: Right, which is also kind of hard to sow.
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  Speaker 3: Eve and Gary were carrying hefty bags out to their car.
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  Speaker 3: There was a garage attached to the club and like
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  Speaker 3: a little driveway and they would be taking big, hefty
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  Speaker 3: bags out of cash and putting in the trunks of
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  Speaker 3: their cars. The mafia thing is. One afternoon, two guys
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  Speaker 3: came into the club. I was downstairs. Even though I
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: knew what it was, it didn't phase me, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: but came in and I said, in my arrogant New
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  Speaker 3: York style, can I help you? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Who are you? And uh? They said, oh, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: here for a collection, like collection, like totally over my head,
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  Speaker 3: right right?
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  Speaker 1: What are you picking up the garbage? What are you
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  Speaker 1: looking for?
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  Speaker 3: And I, I guess I was sizing them up, like
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  Speaker 3: they were dressed and so on, and I'm like, election, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're here to get paid.
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  Speaker 1: Oh probably, Like who is this guy?
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  Speaker 3: You want to talk to? The guys upstairs? Hang on
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  Speaker 3: just a moment, I'll go get them. That's going. Oh
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  Speaker 3: but that's a regular thing in New York. So that's
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: what I mean. Like I'm not faced by it because
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  Speaker 3: there's always stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't scared of them in the least. I just
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  Speaker 3: didn't know. And you know, like when you're in a
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  Speaker 3: situation or you're talking to somebody and then all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, you.
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  Speaker 1: Have yes, all goes.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you want to talk to you, I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 3: So and when I left the club, you asked me that, yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I was.
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  Speaker 1: An how did you come to leave? So you know
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  Speaker 1: it was because it sounds like you just loved your boss.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you would ever want to leave.
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  Speaker 3: I used to have such dizzy spells because I had
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  Speaker 3: to stay at Nick's apartment because I lived in South Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: It's before I moved to the city. Okay, you know
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  Speaker 3: when we were rehearsing the show and hiring and they
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: were rebuilding the club, and it was just a lot
• 3:45
  Speaker 3: for me. And I was there like seven days a week,
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: You were living with him, you had to live well.
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  Speaker 3: I lived in he got a two bedroom on the
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  Speaker 3: east side, which is where the club was.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about gutting.
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  Speaker 3: But I just couldn't deal with him, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like my contempt for him was just out there, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But everybody felt the same way about it. Everybody nobody
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  Speaker 3: liked him. He had one dancer in there who was
• 4:12
  Speaker 3: nobody liked this guy. Either because he was a liar
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm better than anyone else and caught
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  Speaker 3: him in a big lie. And prior to it, we
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  Speaker 3: had scary Steve and Nick and me and some other people. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: if we catch him doing this, he's fired, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's how much we hated this guy. He did it.
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  Speaker 3: We caught him that night, Nick didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't fire him.
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  Speaker 3: So I have my own ideas of why Nick didn't
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  Speaker 3: fire him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was probably sleeping with him, okay, said yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the man was obvious. So this is the
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: whole other thing about out how you know, we had
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: to remember it was the eighties that being gay was
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  Speaker 1: somewhat of a crime. It was like you just did not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my uncle passed away from AIDS in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty three or four, and I was very privy to all, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole other conversation. So I do
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  Speaker 1: remember that as a child, going, oh, this is not
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  Speaker 1: something that anyone is okay with you.
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  Speaker 3: In the club, it wasn't a big gill And I
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  Speaker 3: don't I want to say, I don't think it was
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  Speaker 3: a big hill because we were all in there together,
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  Speaker 3: so nobody really cared you. We're not judging.
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  Speaker 1: You insulated and isolated, right right? But so he In
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  Speaker 1: the series also they Andrew Reynold plays his boyfriend who
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  Speaker 1: was also a big financier.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, but he was I
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  Speaker 3: left the club.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so he was.
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  Speaker 3: After I left club, and the touring was after I
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: left the club changed. I got into it. Women would
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  Speaker 3: call the club about getting guys to do a bachelorette part,
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  Speaker 3: so I would take the call and I would send
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  Speaker 3: the guys out, and that way, the guys got the money,
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  Speaker 3: and they gave me, you know, a split on the
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  Speaker 3: money as well, and never gave it to the club
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  Speaker 3: because it was fair that the guys sure got this.
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  Speaker 3: That was my thinking. Nick found out about that and
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  Speaker 3: said I was cheating the club and we got into
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  Speaker 3: a big thing, and so he said, well you're fired,
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  Speaker 3: and I said, well, I quit before you fire me.
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  Speaker 3: And then I just let him know how I thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I thought of him. But Jerry, Denbergh,
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: Gary and Steve, they all loved me. When I moved
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  Speaker 3: to California, Steve reached out to me if I needed
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  Speaker 3: anything or anything. That's what I'm saying was nice to me.
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  Speaker 3: I had no issues with Steve energy wow. But because
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: of that, which is what I wanted to say before,
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  Speaker 3: that was about greed. Yes, it was Steve's greed. Nick
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  Speaker 3: really just want I can't believe I'm saying nice about Nick.
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  Speaker 3: But Nick wanted to get away from him, so he
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  Speaker 3: came up with a very equitable deal. But it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: good enough for Steve.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it was all about greedy.
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  Speaker 3: So by me writing all of these letters, this was
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: before any of that happened. This is when I was
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  Speaker 3: working there and typing the letters. I have everything from them.
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  Speaker 3: I never threw anything out. I have all the letters.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Nick's contract. I have a threatening letter
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  Speaker 3: from an attorney, Swave's attorney to Nick. I have everything.
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  Speaker 3: I kept everything.
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  Speaker 1: Did they did the FBI or the police ever question you?
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  Speaker 3: Nope, no one ever never came to me for it.
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  Speaker 1: Me because it seems like they were thinking it was
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of diffferent people, like including his boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: or lover. It seems like they were really together. I
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, but then his previous boyfriend, like it seems like.
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  Speaker 3: See, I didn't know about any of those if he
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: had a boyfriend or lover.
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  Speaker 1: While I was there, you really didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea, But I don't think he did
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  Speaker 3: at that time. I think he had random hookups for sure,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think he had a boyfriend.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I remember him going to hire one of the guys,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, we had two black guys in the club.
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  Speaker 3: But again, that wasn't an on purpose thing.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't so new or your frient right New York.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't they just you know, a thing would go
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  Speaker 3: out and saying if you want to be you know,
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  Speaker 3: so a lot of the staff came from modeling agents.
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  Speaker 3: Only one black guy showed up and we hired him.
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  Speaker 3: He was a good looking guy. His name was Mike. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was awesome. But Nick wanted to hire a black
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  Speaker 3: lead dancer, and he did. But the night that you know,
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  Speaker 3: we had no we had a meeting and he said, no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not interested. You know, this isn't for me. And
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  Speaker 3: Nick I was staying at Nick's apartment. This was on
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  Speaker 3: the Upper West Side and West End Avenue seventy and
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  Speaker 3: he said, well, you go home tonight, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: go back to New Jersey and I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, oh, he's coming over. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to say his name because she's around, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know what happened, but he said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's coming over here. And the next day he said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be working. Oh, so right, what happened?
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  Speaker 1: He was very persuasive. Yeah, I don't guess, but.
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  Speaker 3: I'm honest to God, do not know very happened. I
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  Speaker 3: just know what happened after the fact. Yeah, so it
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: wasn't racism, right, you know. Right, we also got shut
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  Speaker 3: down because the New York liquor license because men couldn't
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  Speaker 3: come into the club.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, they shut down the liquor license because right, baby,
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  Speaker 1: sit them.
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  Speaker 3: Drinking, come into the club and put them in the
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  Speaker 3: VIP room, like what guys wanted to come in?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's safe to say so many but
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: there are so many elements to this whole situation that
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: are so crazy and and but also about a sign
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  Speaker 1: of the times, right, Like so much of it was that.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing about them that was all about greed.
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  Speaker 3: That is why Nick was murdered. That's clear because of greed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't even touched on so much.
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  Speaker 1: But he so so all right, I greed sounds exact
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  Speaker 1: to me as to why. But I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: curious that the story nobody really is it nobody. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone say, well, that's not true. Okay, there
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  Speaker 1: are a couple of people in some of the documentaries
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  Speaker 1: that say, why I didn't like Nick that much or
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't, but nobody really makes it seem like he
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  Speaker 1: was not a very well liked guy.
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  Speaker 3: It was not. I could put you on the phone
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  Speaker 3: with ten different people.
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  Speaker 1: So was everybody when this happened, was the general thought.
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  Speaker 1: And died, yes, when he died, When.
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  Speaker 3: He lived, I don't know what went on. I know
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  Speaker 3: what they've told me since, but I can only speak
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  Speaker 3: to when I was there. And that's the thing that
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: upsets me so much about watching this show. I thought
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: it was horrible. I really thought it was horrible. And
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: my opinion may be skewed because that's not what Chippendale's
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: was about. Right, you haven't even touched on, right, what
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: Chippendales was about, and what went on in the club
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  Speaker 3: and behind the scenes, and the sense and the drugs.
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  Speaker 1: That get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, we can do that but I'm saying that's
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  Speaker 3: not what this story is. Right. So when a woman
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: comes out of oh I was the producer of the club,
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  Speaker 3: No you weren't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that must be soft on the tour.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but then just say I produced the tour, right,
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: don't say you produced the clay because you didn't. It
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: was me, myself and right that did it. There was
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  Speaker 3: no one else. So let's show so when they show things,
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  Speaker 3: it's just inaccurate and they're not giving New York it's due, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know who everybody has a story about
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  Speaker 3: working at Chippendale, right, Okay, I believe you one of
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  Speaker 3: the guys that I hired off of a dance floor
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  Speaker 3: because he came in that night and he was just dancing,
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  Speaker 3: and someone one of the girls worked in the club
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  Speaker 3: came up to the office and said, look at the
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  Speaker 3: get that guy, because I had two way mirror.
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  Speaker 4: Oh did you look down eighties down on the dance floor,
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  Speaker 4: look at that guy dancing?
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  Speaker 3: And who's a good looking guy? Who was a big guy.
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  Speaker 3: And so we went down and even then I said
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  Speaker 3: to her come with me, because I even wanted to
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: be a guy walking up to it.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, tell me about this double mirror. Where was it
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: you mean over.
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  Speaker 3: Looking my club? But then were you into the club?
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: That is like that is just that should be in
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  Speaker 1: the movie because that's like a very movie thing. That's
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  Speaker 1: a very cinematic thing. So you could just watch just
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: like check out what's going on. Were you ever like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: get me gentlemen number six to come?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, But I went down with her because everybody
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: knew they had to come to me for that. I
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  Speaker 3: saw him, I said, okay, let's go down. I said,
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  Speaker 3: but you have to come with me, because I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to be a guy walking up to a guy, right.
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  Speaker 3: And so we started talking and he and I are friends.
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  Speaker 3: His name is Scott, and he and I have two
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  Speaker 3: different versions of what happened that night.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: He extends my version. My version stops at a certain point.
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  Speaker 3: And then he said, but do you remember what happened
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  Speaker 3: when we went up to VIP room?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, tell me about a typical night
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  Speaker 2: at Chippendale's for you, or even a specific night like
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  Speaker 2: what did your actual what did what did the do
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  Speaker 2: you get there?
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  Speaker 3: You get there like at four o'clock or I mean
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  Speaker 3: I had to be there all day just for gill or.
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  Speaker 1: Work, right, administrative type things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just dealing with whatever. And then you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think the guys would come in around six. I
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  Speaker 3: think it don't hold me to that because I can't remember,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: and everyone start getting ready and then the doors would open.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, they had to come in before six of
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: the door started six. Yeah, so they had to come in,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: but like by five.
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  Speaker 1: Five were you like greeting people when they came in?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Did you become like sort of a part of the
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  Speaker 1: thing or how to know?
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  Speaker 3: But you know, like you were having all the Broadway women.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: We did a night of all the New York soap operas,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: all the women from the New York City. Yeah, Anita Morris,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: who start in a Broadway show called nine with Ryan
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Julie Yeh came in Brookshields came in Silvester stallone and.
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  Speaker 1: So would you sort of yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: I would, but you know that's when Nick.
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  Speaker 1: Would really shine. I'm sure he'd really get out there, right.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to So here's the club up here,
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  Speaker 3: like a in a like a look like a hand.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: That's the DJ booth, right, and so they would we
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  Speaker 3: have a camera there they'd video the show every night
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  Speaker 3: so I could give notes to the guys. I have
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  Speaker 3: one of those nights on video. You do, yeah, no
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  Speaker 3: one else says it from January twentieth, nineteen eighty four.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, of the entire show.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Of the entire show.
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  Speaker 3: And then right next to the DJ booth was also
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  Speaker 3: on top was the VIP You know, there was a
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: bar up there and a bathroom up there which was
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: used to do code.
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  Speaker 1: Got it right? So was that just the whole deal?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is doing cocaine and drinking the whole time, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Right, now, you have to remember that well again, to
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  Speaker 3: begin with, no men were allowed in the club until
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: this whole thing with the New York Liquor Authority where
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: we had to allow men in because I said that
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I don't even.
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  Speaker 1: I do not understand. Oh they said it was discriminatory, right,
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  Speaker 1: but interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So, and I don't even know who complained. But the
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: men were allowed to come in and then go stand
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: in the VIP room. But there weren't a whole lot
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: of men that came in, so it was just like
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: a thing, right Ironically, I have all the video from
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you know, all the news reports from opening night, which
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: is you know, kind of funny. When we're done, I
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: can show it to you. It's really funny, especially then
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: women with the New York accent, with the New York
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  Speaker 3: yeah like that.
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  Speaker 1: So the women, these like ladies were all doing cocaine too.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, just the people working there.
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  Speaker 3: It was like you had a an age gap in
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  Speaker 3: the women. Oh yeah, they were all there for the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: same thing, right, they were all there for the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: But the younger women would be doing coke. They would
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, be having sex with the guys there. You know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: during the summer.
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  Speaker 1: Did were ever shut down for that? Is there anything
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: technically illegal about that about people having in well, doing cocaine? Yes,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it was illegal even then.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I mean against the law to have sex.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I was doing, right, So it actually isn't
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: against the law to have sex. So there's no.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So during the summer, because it was nice outside, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: we're on sixty first and first.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Oh is that where it was sixty first and first?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Oh wow?
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So right and right there river is the fifty ninth
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  Speaker 3: Street bridge and the Roosevelt Tram, and the Roosevelt Tram
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: used to go right over the club. Oh wow, so
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: during the summer, we would take women up to the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: roof of the club.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: The roof. This is one of my questions, is one
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of my notes.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: We tell me about the women up to the roof
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  Speaker 3: of the club. And there were a lot of people
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: having sex on the roof of the club, and you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: like you there, you there, you're you know, all over.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But the thing was the tram.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: If you were in the tram, could you see these.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: We were looking up at the tram and the people
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: in the tram were looking down.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, how many people you think started taking the tram?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Just oh, like it's ten thirty. Let's get on that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: tram and check out the roof.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: The customers in the club, I mean right. None of
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the men who came into the club did that. It
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: was only the guys who worked there.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Only the guys who worked there would go. So was
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: there any expectation when people were hired two things? Was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: there an expectation that they would do that if asked, No,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it was like it was a job or anything.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: It was like, if you're a red blooded American male
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: of a certain age, you're in this. You don't have
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to force them, right, It's it's but you're in this environment.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: All these women are drunk in horny. Right, got to
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: just a story one night, and I'm not going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: repeat his story because it's his story, but it was
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: kind of disgusting, but it just kept going.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Now, wait, what you're gonna have do?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: You can't just say that they were engaged, not in intercourse, okay, okay.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Something of a sexual nature, yes, okay.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: And this woman was doing this to one of the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: dances mm hmm and then got sick.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Oh oh no.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And then when she was done being sick, she went
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: she went back to continue.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, all parties involved?
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: I say you, yes, but I'm saying there's like stuff
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: about that, like people, but you know, well this happened,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: and this happened. I'm like, that's not what happened, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Oh do the gega and like, no, that's not what
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: happened either, Like.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Where are you getting this? And so when other people
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: come in, such as the people who wrote this book
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: who I don't know, and the people who did this show,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I say, shame on you. Shame on you for doing
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: this show when you don't know the whole story, right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So then what do you think this is something we
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: talk about actually a lot on this podcast in particular,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: is what, like how much agency do people have to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: tell stories when you're talking about real events that have happened,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Like how much agency they are? Shouldn't they have, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in telling a story?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: But that's like what we're doing right now. You're interviewing me.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: You're asking me to tell you a story. I am
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: telling you my story, my life. This is what happened
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in my life. My life experience is not somebody told me, right,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: so this is me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And then if I went and said, Okay, I'm going
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to tell your story now and then as a movie,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and I make this movie and it is not reflective
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: at all of what you told me, then that's a problem,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: So I don't know again who the people were who
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: wrote the book or who the people were who produced
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: this show. Either they were there and witnessed it, which
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I don't believe somebody told them a story, They made
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: them for the story, and they went with it. Right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Shame on you, because if you really look, there were
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: people that were there. All the guys who worked for
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: me have been asking me for years, Jay, you work
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood, isn't there any way to do this, And
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I want to do this as a television series. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: want this to be a streaming series because you can
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: tell really what happened. You can recreate really what happened.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: And if you're not going to tell the true story
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: of a true story, it's not like you're making stuff.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: You had an idea and you're writing this. This is
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a true story. If you're not going to tell the truth,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: why bother?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Why do you think there is I I don't even
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: know the answer to this of why there was this
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: this like resurgence? Why did they make this serious?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Time? Is what I was told. So that's when I
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: did the documentary A and E. Again, I was very specific, right,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: but it's oh true crime, everybody loves true crime. I'm like, okay,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: but that didn't happen till later? What? Right?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: There were all these years.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I did the murder happen? Right? You have to go
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: back and figure out why? What? What's this place? What
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: happened in this place? How did it? You know? And
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: it's not just a story.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: For women, No, no, of course not. This is what
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean. There are so many facets to this entire thing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I personally had no idea. As I said, when we started,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I thought that Chippendale's was, you know, just this sort
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of like one little like club where men took off
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: their shirts and women, you know, class and so I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: had no idea.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, there were our first act was the Unknown Comic. Oh, yes,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: second act. So I didn't even know that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: The Unknown Comic came from Chippendales. I knew about the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Unknown Comic, but I didn't know that it originated there.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think it were regional. I think it a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: ripoff of the Unknown. Oh, I think it was that way.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But we had Conan the Barbarian, We had a construction
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: worker thing, we had the perfect man. They used that
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: in there. And the guy who originated it in La
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: came and did in New York and he's still around
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: and he does interviews and so on. But again, big
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: brotherhood of what we did. But when I hear things
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: that just weren't the case in my experience. Now that's
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: not to say you didn't experience this. It's just like
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Scott and I talking and I'm like, you remember, he goes,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: you remember the night you hired me? And I'm like, yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: this girl brought me down and we started talking and
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I said, do you want to work here? And blah
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: blah blah. He says, yeah, but do you remember what
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: happened when we went up to the VIP room. I'm like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I really don't you have a recollection of it. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that what he said happened didn't test right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: saying you don't remember, I don't remember it?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think you didn't remember because you were too
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: high or there are many things too high?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Probably I can't think of another reason. Like I was
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: using that little bathroom in the.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: VIP right right, when did anyone ever sleep? Because they
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: closed that for right? What we're to do right New
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: York is the clock.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We would go back to my apartment, a bunch
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: of guys and I. The game Trivial Pursuit had just
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: come out at that time, so we'd say table.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It looked very different when I played it with my family.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And if you got the answer right, you did a hit.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: If nobody got an answer right, everybody did it. So
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: we were up till early the next morning.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Because then it extends and then and then you have
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to go back to work.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That so one of these, it's almost like a cult
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to get like Arry talking about.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Larry the owner, one of the owners introduced me to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: drinking casis and soda, like to get over a hangover
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: and to get over and you know. And the thing
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: he said to me is, do you want to ride
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the bus? You got to pay the fare. So I
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: never forgot that either.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: So maybe so.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: There's so much more. It's as hard to remember all
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: of it. But again I thought that, you know, because
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I was told this is going to be about this
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Welcome to Chippendale's, and I said, I thought it sucked.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't like it. And I was told to say, well, say.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, you definitely can't.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Saying that it sucked. I didn't like it, right, but
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: even down to tell.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Us how you really feel, Jay, I wish you would.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Even down to because I rewatched it in the La Club,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: which they didn't have in the La Club, but there
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: was a spiral metal staircase.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Going, oh yes, we was in New York.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: In New York getting from the dressing room up to that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Would that put a be in my bonnet too?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: We had that? But no, But again I'm saying just
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: because there are so many inaccuracies on the way like
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: the turquoise yeah, you know, stanch not stanchions, but there
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: was the things around the club. We had that right
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: in La in New York.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: The way you're portraying this, it's just not accurate.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I do think this isn't. This is a really interesting
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and important point because I spoke with Sarah Edmondson, who
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: was in the cult nexium. I don't know familiar with
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: this call it is like a horrific from Yes, Alison
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Mack was one of the women in it as well,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: but she we we had a conversation and she was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we were talking for a little bit about one of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the movies. It was a lifetime movie made about that,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and she was just like, it's just wrong. It's just wrong.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: You know, the way she's portrayed as wrong. The things
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that they're saying is wrong. And you know, in that circumstance,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like that's dangerous to be doing it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: In this case, it's sort of like it's entertainment, I guess,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but it feels like where's the why not get it right?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Why not get it right? Is my question racked?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And this isn't. This was not entertaining this was about
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a murder. Yeah, that's not what Chippendale's was about, right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that it is still and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't know this, that it's still in Vegas in
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Vegas right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: As well? Yes, I guess I didn't know about still touring.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Because the fat Let me look at my little notes
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: here and make sure I'm not wrong. I'm very organized,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: as you can see. Can you tell that I'm an
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Aquarius and my s H I T is all over
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, it's a staple of Vegas strip and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: still has a successful in Vegas.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: It's at the Rio.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I think, gosh, so to be able to this, this
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is the other thing. What did you think of that?
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Any different? Different? It's a stage show, so it doesn't
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: have the excitement of being in the realm and being
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a part of it. Everybody was a part of this show, right,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that's a stage show. Oh we could bring her up
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: from the state, right now, that's one different. It's not so.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: When you're saying this exactly like you you really become
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: enmeshed in the experience, right, like in the fabric of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, which I'm sure was a big draw.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Whether people understood. That's partially why they were doing it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: But did was there ever anything that happens, like someone
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: gets hurt unintentionally or something gets violent or anything. That's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: what I think is amazing.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: None of that ever happened. To my knowledge, that happened.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: But again, that's why I'm saying to you, the way
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: they portrayed the New York Club in this television show,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: that's not that's not what it was. It's just not.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be so frustrated.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Club was more accurate than here than there, except you
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: had not good enough looking guys. It's working.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: That is so funny that you say that, because I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was thinking that when I was watching it. I was like, Oh,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this is so interesting that they're not really that attractive.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And then I went back to all the imagery that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I had.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Where they're like I had like one group photo of
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: me and the whole staff.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And I love to see that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: You look at these guys, they're good looking guys and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and nice guys, and like I said, they're still you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: friends of mine and Sinjoy. You got to make a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: TV show about this, You got to do it. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm trying, how you do I want to do.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: This, well, let's do it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Do it?
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Get it going?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I do, But I want to tell an
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: honest portray it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So what would you write? You would want it to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: be about the actual in New York, for.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Sure, How it started in New York, what we went
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: through in that club, and as the club became more popular,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: how things started to get out there.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: That is, and the drugs. Everyone was kneeling coke, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: everyone was having sex all the time.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And it just, I mean sounds like a pretty fun
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: place to work with you get out of lot. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: find it kind of shocking that there are so many
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: tragedies and murders and attempted murders and all these things,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and yet it's still like the company just keeps going,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like it overcame all of those things, even
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: when he when Steve was you know, arrested, and and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: then he kills himself, Like it just it's sort of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: stunning to me that it just still kept going.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but all of that I don't believe would have
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: happened had they not talked to each other and been greedy.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: And I guess there was about had they just talked
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: to each other but their egos, Nicks, especially in New York.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The Marquis so where at Magique so big, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Turquoise Marquee with orange ritings says in small letters Magique
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: presents big letters, Chippendale smaller letters conceived, written, produced and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: directed by Nick Denoyd.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Right, that's that's an enormous ego. Enormous Yeah, I mean,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that's that's what cost him his life.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And they that's the other thing
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: they got wrong. Tell me the biggest thing, the biggest
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: glaring mistake they made. They did not portray Nick as
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a bad guy.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. I'm saying. I'm going, I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: can't leave. The story is really skewed towards just sure,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he was kind of challenging, but it was because he
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: was so creatively brilliant and really wanted the best.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Very creative. Did want the best.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But that's all they say. There is no one
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: but everyone.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, not a good guy in how he treated people, right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: definitely not a good guy. And how he treated me. Also,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: this is funny thing. Never understood this. At the time.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: He had a dog, a Dalmatian. The dog's name was Doroth. Right, mm, hmm.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I did not understand what that meant, like Dorothy Stratton.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: No no, no, no no no, like Dorothy like different,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: like a gay thing, of course, But I why would I.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I used to take care of this dog, sweet little Dalmatian,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: not little. She was big, but never never got it,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: never got it. But actually you're saying Dorothy Shatton. Maybe
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Nick was around that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Dorothy she was that he was around that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: But I didn't know anything about that. It's funny because
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I did have once a few years ago, a conversation
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: with Jennifer o Nia, Oh you did, there's something totally different,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And I said to her, by the way I worked
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: for Nick and Jim, you and I, oh boy, we
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: never did that. We never did.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: But how when you say he was terrible, he was
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: terrible to you? You mean he when.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: He's screaming and berating all the time in front of
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: it everyone. Oh God made you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Feel like that, very very very very right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Right? You don't treat people.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: That's one of my least favorite qualities in a human
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: being is someone who treats people that way, with that
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: specific you can see it is the need that they
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: need to feel bigger, they need to be in control
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: of things.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: As I mentioned, I'm from New York and I'm from
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a family that unfortunately, one person in this family treated
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: me like that, And so as you grow up, that's
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: what you know, right, right, So coming out here and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: having the success that I've had, you know, whoever has
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the loudest voice when? But never, in my head was
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I doing anything wrong by raising my voice, because it
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: was just the volume of my voice, not the intent
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: in what I was saying. And so but I learned
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: years after. I wish I would have learned it earlier.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: You can't talk to people like that. But I would
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: always preach that. I was like, everybody has to be
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: spoken to with respect, talk to people like you want
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: to be spoken to. And yet I would do it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: But and I really analyze myself with doing it, because
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: to this day it makes me feel like I beat
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: myself up.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So you feel like you treated people that way too,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, because it was all that I.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Knew, normalized in a way.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: But at least people always knew that it was never
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: my intention to be disrespectful. And I would always when
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it was brought to my attention or when I realized
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: that I would always make a phone call apologize like
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you didn't mean to speak to you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that way, and still to today. But I'm very, very
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: very self conscious of it. And and that's just years ago,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: aweary and right thinking about it, and you you know
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you can't do that, and you know correct it right away. Yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And the reaction from people is like, oh, well, you
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: didn't need to I'm like, no, I did, right, I
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: need it to call you to apologize for me, right.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: That's important to me that you know that and that
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you can understand people are amazed the reaction I get that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I that I there isn't a lot of accountability. There
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: isn't it from people today.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Accountable, you know. And I beat myself up then. Now
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Luckily for me, ninety nine percent of the time, I'm good,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: but just like everybody else, some days I'm not as
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: good as others. Some days I have a bad day.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: But as long as I can account for it, yes,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: at least that makes it a little better. But I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: beat myself up like crazy. But I think that behavior
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: comes from how I was treated as a kid and working.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: For well and it probably then if you had it before,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and working for Nick, there was probably a part of
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you that went, oh, I know how to handle this.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: You know I can. I can, But I got more
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: because I know how to handle it. I mean, sure,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you're in your twenties.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: I still want you're cocade.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: In your twenties making a lot of money.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I in New York City, my salary sour was four
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars a week.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Was oh my god, it was another time. This is
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: what What about the dancers?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: What?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: What did they get paid?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I could probably look at compacts, but I honestly don't remember.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Was I don't even remember what the I mean?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Could they pay rent and things with it? Were they
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: making a lot of money relatively.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: At the time. Well, don't forget you also had to get.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: The kiss and tip, Kiss and tip talk about nothing
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: says pre COVID like kiss and tip.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: So but I'm just saying, everybody's got their thing. So
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: if anybody has a problem with me, yeah, after this podcast,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait of me telling my truth.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I hope they all direct message me and tell me
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: all of their personal thoughts about what they don't like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: about what you said.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure they will I'm sure you'll hear from
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that woman.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Appointed because I first of all, personally loved Juliet Lewis.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: She's such a like she's just a sweet heart, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: she's a big heart, and she's fiercely talented. I just
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: love her. So I wanted her. I wanted that person
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to be like I wanted you to say, oh, based
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: on her. I know it's not based on her, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it's sort of person like.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no in our club at least.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they do. They call it like a imposite character,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: but her amalgamation. But anyway, Yeah, I was hoping that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: she was like a real that you were going to say,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I just love that candle.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: When I started working there, Nick had an assistant at
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the La Club, Bonnie. What's her name. She was a sweet,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: little little old lady. But look at that time, I
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: was in twenty five. Yeah she is thirty, yes, but
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: she looked way older, right, but very sweet. I stayed
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: at her house when I came out here, and she
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: lived right literally up the street from Disney. Oh my gosh.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And so what do I know about Orange County?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Right right, right right? I mean from New York. I mean,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: there's nothing probably more diametrically opposed. It's New York City then.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm sure people will let you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: well he's lying. That didn't happen. And you know that's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: why I'm giving this all. And I keep saying, this
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: is my life, this is my experience. I can't speak
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: for your so don't speak for more. Right, you know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: this is what happened in my life. Oh you don't.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: You don't like what I say. You're entitled to your opinion, right,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you're wrong, but you're titled to your opinion.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we've spoken today because I didn't
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: really think about when I knew that we were obviously
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: speaking today. I didn't really think about it from the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: perspective of how frustrating that must be to have because
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: it isn't like it was a little show that maybe
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a couple people watched, you know, it was nominated for
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Emmy's with a huge cast of very prominent people, like
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it was a very big show. And I can't imagine
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: how frustrating that must be to just be like, that's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: not how it happened. I just learned. And I don't
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: know if you know this that his son is he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is an exotic dancer and does like.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: That from watching the Ana documentary. Yes, yeah, but that
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: he's not how do well? Or he's not.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Right, I don't know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I met him as a baby, right right,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I never.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Knew that multiple Emmys for Welcomer Shippendale's look.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Everybody deserves what they get. I don't have anything negative.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: As a piece of entertainment. The performances are terrific. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: think they're all great.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And as I said, my objection is that's not the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: story of Chipping.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I got you. I was going to say, what's the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: one thing that no scripted? Because I think you're probably
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: gonna disagree, because if you get to do your series,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you'll be able to do this. But what do you
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: think that there is the one thing that you could
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: never fully capture about the experience of that club and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of that time.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because I feel if I do my
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: show the way I want to tell this story, it's
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: all going to be true, and I'll bet you that
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: they'll be thousands of people that hate.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It, right right, I know you're going to say, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: there'll be thousands of people taking that Roosevelt Tramp. When
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you are shooting the scenes on the roof.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: The club's not there anymore. From what I hear, the
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: club is gone.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds like kind of when everything was
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: really starting to explode and become successful and the excess
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and all of that. Could you tell this is all
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: gonna unravel, something's gonna know.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Because it's like I was saying before, when you're in
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the middle of it, even if I'm yelling at somebody
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: or something, when you're in it, you're in it, so
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you're not thinking about anything outside. You're in it. And
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and it was like they say, what I was saying
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: about Steve hindsight is twenty twenty. I probably wouldn't have
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: yelled at him until said that his brain was turning
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: to mush and what's wrong with him? And what's wrong
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: with people living in California. I'm a Californi now more
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: than I am a New Yorker, although I'll always be
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a New Yorker. Yeah. Notice how I said new Yorker
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and not in New Yorker new Yorker.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so me, we lose that, we lose it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: But it's had I known that, and I'm really glad
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that I didn't know any of it. I probably wouldn't
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: have spoken to him, right because I would have been
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: petrified that I get killed, right right, I'm glad I didn't.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: When I'm glad I had the relationship with him that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I did, because when all is said and done, I
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: loved working at Chippendale's. I had the best relationships. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: had the best time. I used to get all people
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: who would call me, oh, can I come into the club? Right?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I was a big deal.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big deal.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: From the night that they they turned me on to coke.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: You know, is that the first time we did cocaine
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: was there, got.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: It at the backbar during a rehearsal during a run through,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: two of the guys took me into the bathroom and
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I started drinking chilled Gramagnier because I never drank alcohol, Grandamarnier,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: chilled Gramagnier shot right right, right, right right. And I
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: know the guy who did you taught me that too.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Oh and there's just so many stories. Yeah, yeah that happened.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I want to see this series. I want to see it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I want to see it. Somebody make it, somebody make
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it right. I can't even tell you how what a
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: pleasure this has been for me. You're a joy, You're hilarious,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You're lovely, you're smart, you're it's just been such a joy.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I love it. And what a life you have lived
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and continue to live in all of the ways. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I am like you, just you got it in the eyes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: You can see if you can see in this man's eyes,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: he's got the sparkle you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I really appreciate that. Look. I
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: am who I am. You know, I can't be anybody else.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: My enthusiasm, that's just who I am. My involvement. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: love the entertainment business. I love doing what I do. Yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love doing what I do. I love representing
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: the people I represent, the relationships that I have with them,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: and I've represented quite a few.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You have big star people behind.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Yous B and I. I love what I do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: But I've also learned, like I said, never tell a
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: lie because then you always have to remember yep, or
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you have to then cover for yourself yep.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I think people, especially in entertainment, it's very rare that
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: people are accountable. It's very rare that people get the truth.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So I think It's a tremendous value in life, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: certainly and certainly in relationships of any kind, but in
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: this industry, I am sure that all of your clients
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: appreciate it because they always feel like they will be protected,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that they will truly understand what they are signing up
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: for or what they're showing up to. You know. That's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I tell people.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: The entertainment business is based on relationships. No matter what agent, manager, lawyer, producer, director,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Everything is a relationship.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: You never know who you're going to talk to, who
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to meet, so it's no sweat off your
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: back to be nice and coming. Yes, And so I've
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: learned that my career and I'm proud of the relationships
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: that I have and the people that I work with.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's you know what my parents
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: always said the same thing. My mom that was always
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: always what she's still alive. My dad is not, but
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: she always That's what they taught us there is you
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: just treat people with respect and kindness is the way to.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Speak as you want to be spoken to.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, I love it. Your joy.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy to meet you. Thank you so much
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: for me, Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, well you'll come back when you're talking about your show, yes,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and then I will say, you know, I wasn't there.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I love it.