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The Kenny Report | 9 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me hot on the heels of his
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  Speaker 1: Sky News People's Forum performance. I'm joined by Opposition leader
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton after he's released his plans for cheaper gas
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  Speaker 1: to lower energy costs in this country and Queensland opts
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  Speaker 1: for more coal for longer and more gas generation too.
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  Speaker 1: As climate and energy policy gets real. Adam Bant outlines
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  Speaker 1: his demands for the government he expects to form with
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  Speaker 1: Labor and Anthony Albanisi. So with a Labour Greens government
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  Speaker 1: on the cards, what will it do well that the
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  Speaker 1: global tariff disruption continues and the Wednesday rangele with Liz
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  Speaker 1: Storer and Joe Hildebrand, Let's get cracking. The hard reality
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  Speaker 1: was exposed for all to see and hear today. If
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi and Labor win re election on May third,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be the state art of a Labor Green's government.
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  Speaker 1: The most powerful person other than the Prime Minister will
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  Speaker 1: be the Greens leader Adam Bant. He spoke at the
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  Speaker 1: National Press Club today and he was licking his lips
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  Speaker 1: at the prospect of exerting Green's control over a Labor government.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens are within reach of winning seats right across
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  Speaker 2: the country and in a minority government we can make
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  Speaker 2: things happen. But Greens, we will keep Dutton out and
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  Speaker 2: get Labor to act on the cost of living, housing
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  Speaker 2: and climate crisis. With more Greens we can put more
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  Speaker 2: pressure on Labor.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the People's Forum last night, Albernizi
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  Speaker 1: was keen to keep up the pretense that if there's
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  Speaker 1: a hung Parliament he won't do a deal with the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: And the Greens you'll take their votes, won't do deals.
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  Speaker 4: Is that a fair way to There'll be no deals
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  Speaker 4: with the Greens by me.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this sort of denial just doesn't pass the pub test,
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  Speaker 1: does it. Labor works with the Greens in the Senate
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  Speaker 1: every day. In fact, most of Labour's MP's, the overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: majority of Labour's mp only get elected thanks to Green's preferences.
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  Speaker 1: Labor is in cahoots with the Greens, and the last
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  Speaker 1: time they faced a minority government, Julia Gillard struck a
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  Speaker 1: formal agreement with the Greens. So the idea that after
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  Speaker 1: this election, Alberizi and Labor would stiff arm the Greens, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just fanciful. In fact, we've got a more likely
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  Speaker 1: picture of what will unfold. When Alberizi made this Freudian
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  Speaker 1: slip last week.
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  Speaker 5: If you ask me, do you rule out governing and
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  Speaker 5: coalition with the Greens, he answered that is no.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well he actually means that he has ruled it out,
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  Speaker 1: but we know he doesn't really mean that. Certainly, Adam
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  Speaker 1: Bandon the Greens don't believe him, because their whole election
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  Speaker 1: pitch is about what they will do in partnership with
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  Speaker 1: a Labor minority government this election.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens have announced three priorities so far for minority
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  Speaker 2: government negotiations, things that we could get done by the
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  Speaker 2: end of this year, dental into medicare, protecting our environment
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  Speaker 2: by ending native forest logging, pre universal high quality childcare,
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  Speaker 2: and today we add a fourth, our plan to fight
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  Speaker 2: for renters and first home buyers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we should listen to the band policy agenda closely
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  Speaker 1: because this is what he plans to demand from Labor
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  Speaker 1: as his price to help them form government. And he's
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  Speaker 1: planning to attack negative gearing. Remember that's something Labor took
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  Speaker 1: to voters two elections back when it was rejected. But
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  Speaker 1: the assault on negative gearing is coming back as a
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  Speaker 1: Greens precondition for a prospective minority alban EASi lay Green's government.
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  Speaker 2: I can announce today that the Greens will make reforming
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  Speaker 2: negative gearing in the capital gains tax discount a priority
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  Speaker 2: in the next parliament, including when there's a minority government.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens plan would see negative gearing in the capital
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  Speaker 2: gains tax discount scrapped for wealthy property investors, but preserved
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  Speaker 2: for what are often called mum and dad investors with
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  Speaker 2: one investment property.
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  Speaker 1: And the Greens plans to push labor even further, making
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  Speaker 1: sure that governments can set rents. Even if you build
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  Speaker 1: or buy a property to rent out as your private
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  Speaker 1: investment choice. You'll have governments telling you what you can
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  Speaker 1: charge in rent. Private investments open market, but the government
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  Speaker 1: setting prices.
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  Speaker 2: Landlords cannot be allowed to raise the rent by whatever
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  Speaker 2: number they want.
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  Speaker 4: There has to be limits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Greens are on the March. With Labour's polling
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  Speaker 1: stuck at record lows, they can set that. With a
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  Speaker 1: messy parliament and with Labor in minority, there will be
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  Speaker 1: historic opportunity for the Greens to control the agenda force
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  Speaker 1: their policies onto a Labor government. The first Albanesi band government.
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  Speaker 2: With more people saying they want more voices at the
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  Speaker 2: table as part of a strong, strong crossbench.
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  Speaker 4: If you going to have to learn to play well
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  Speaker 4: with others.
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  Speaker 1: Perish the thought. This brings the real contest of this
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  Speaker 1: election into sharp focus. As I've worn for months, this
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  Speaker 1: is not a choice between the coalition and the weak
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  Speaker 1: and damaging Albanesi Labor government. Now this is a contest
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  Speaker 1: between the coalition and the Labor Greens Alliance, an Albanesi
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  Speaker 1: Bant government that will be even worse than the Alberanesi
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  Speaker 1: government that's given us a per capita recession, energy chaos
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  Speaker 1: and the cost of living crisis. Strap yourselves in.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Back to that People's forum last night, and both leaders
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  Speaker 1: performed confidently. Peter Dutton outperformed alban Easy on facts and substance,
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  Speaker 1: but there was no knockout blow. I thought Dutton really
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  Speaker 1: cut through and got to the core of the election
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  Speaker 1: when he talked about how many in the audience were
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  Speaker 1: doing it tough.
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  Speaker 6: Can I just get a show of hands, who's doing
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  Speaker 6: it pretty tough?
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  Speaker 7: Who's finding it hard to get by at the moment.
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  Speaker 8: The way the economy is, cost of living pressures and
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  Speaker 8: so on.
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  Speaker 9: But firstly, I think that was a very confronting scene,
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  Speaker 9: if I might say, from where West end to see
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  Speaker 9: the number of hands raised them of people who are
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  Speaker 9: working hard, people who have done everything they can in
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  Speaker 9: their own budgets to cut back on expenses and just
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  Speaker 9: to try and make things balance at the end of
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  Speaker 9: each week or the end of each fortnight or month.
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  Speaker 1: And Peter Dutton also instinctively teased out how Albanese's glib
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  Speaker 1: line about people only needing their Medicare card under labor
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  Speaker 1: was actually.
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  Speaker 5: Nonsense and all you need is thing here, prith. You
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  Speaker 5: just need your Medicare card, not your credit card.
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  Speaker 9: Could I just ask, please, it's a great question, but
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  Speaker 9: can I just ask what's your experience? So when you
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  Speaker 9: go to the doctor that you talk about with the
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  Speaker 9: gap fee, do you have to use your just your
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  Speaker 9: Medicare card or do you have to use your credit
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  Speaker 9: card as well?
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  Speaker 8: You use both because FoST billing doesn't cover the full
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  Speaker 8: chance I have to pay something.
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  Speaker 9: So I thank you very much and I appreciate it
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  Speaker 9: because yours is the story of literally hundreds of thousands,
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  Speaker 9: millions of Australians as well. And I've heard the Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister run this stunt before with the only needs your
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  Speaker 9: Medicare card, It's not true.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition leader also called out Labour's lies about funding
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  Speaker 1: cuts and debt numbers, which was important to do even
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  Speaker 1: if it led to just more political squabbling, and Darton
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  Speaker 1: strongly made out his case on energy.
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  Speaker 9: If the renewables are so much cheaper as the Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister keeps telling you, why has he broken his promise
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  Speaker 9: of a two hundred and seventy five dollars cut to
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  Speaker 9: your electricity bill when in actual fact it's gone up
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  Speaker 9: by thirteen hundred dollars under this government and families are
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  Speaker 9: struggling to pay their bills. And the difference between the
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  Speaker 9: two policies is that our policy is forty four percent cheaper,
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  Speaker 9: and in the interim we increase the supply of gas
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  Speaker 9: into the market because gas helps create electricity.
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  Speaker 1: The fact the audience gave the debate to alban easy
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  Speaker 1: forty four to thirty five, with twenty one still undecided,
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  Speaker 1: probably just underscores that if you're undecided now, if you
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  Speaker 1: haven't yet worked out what labor is doing to this country,
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  Speaker 1: well you must either lend pretty hard left or have
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  Speaker 1: no idea at all. The truth is that Dutton did
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  Speaker 1: well in this forum and it's given his campaign a kickstart,
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  Speaker 1: which he continued today in a robust media performance outlining
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  Speaker 1: the details of his gas plan and the downward pressure
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  Speaker 1: it'll put on power prices.
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  Speaker 9: The renewables only policy that Chris Bowen and Anthony are
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  Speaker 9: but easy of design.
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  Speaker 4: It's wrecking, it's destroying our economy.
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  Speaker 9: Natural gas is a key ingredient in our economy and
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  Speaker 9: if we can bring that cost down for every part
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  Speaker 9: of the economy that relies on gas and the use
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  Speaker 9: of gas to create and generate electricity, the difference between
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  Speaker 9: the two parties is quite staggering.
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  Speaker 1: Early voting starts in less than two weeks, so Dutton
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  Speaker 1: and the Coalition need to get cracking and you can
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  Speaker 1: already sense the campaign pace and stakes picking up after
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  Speaker 1: last night. And let's now go to my interview with
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  Speaker 1: the opposition leader, Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, my pleasure, Chris, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You must have been pretty pleased with last night's performance,
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  Speaker 1: although a bit frustrated that you couldn't win over the
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  Speaker 1: majority of the audience.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it was a great audience and there was look,
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  Speaker 9: I thought it was a really free flying conversation. I
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  Speaker 9: suspect there were some people in the audience who probably
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  Speaker 9: word swinging as they might have made out to be,
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  Speaker 9: but that's okay.
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  Speaker 4: I think what it.
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  Speaker 9: Demonstrated was the ability for us to be able to
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  Speaker 9: talk about our plan for our country and what I
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  Speaker 9: want to do to clean up labor's mess and help
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  Speaker 9: families deal with the cost of living crisis, and what
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  Speaker 9: we can do as a country to manage the economy
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  Speaker 9: more effectively, and particularly if we're going to see a
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  Speaker 9: recession in the United States or a global recession, it's
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  Speaker 9: imperative I think for our country's interests that we have
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  Speaker 9: a liberal national coalition government to deal with what are
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  Speaker 9: certain to be difficult times ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you picked Anthony Albernesi up last night on a
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  Speaker 1: number of false assertions and factual errors. This is a
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  Speaker 1: bloke when we saw fall off a stage last week
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  Speaker 1: and then tell everybody he hadn't fallen over. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that Anthony Albernezi is an habitual liar, Chris?
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  Speaker 9: I think if you look at the two seventy five
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  Speaker 9: dollars broken promise, he promised at ninety seven times never
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  Speaker 9: mentions the figure out at all and people know they're
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  Speaker 9: paying thirteen hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 4: More for electricity. Have a look at the voice.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, the promise for the Prime Minister was that
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  Speaker 9: the detail would be forthcoming for the voice. To this day,
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  Speaker 9: we still don't know the true intent and the true
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  Speaker 9: detail of the voice. The Prime Minister deliberately kept that
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  Speaker 9: from the Australian public and so that was a lie.
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  Speaker 9: And most definitely the Prime Minister says that we cut
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  Speaker 9: education funding instead it went from thirteen billion to twenty
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  Speaker 9: five billion dollars under the coalition, So that is a lie.
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  Speaker 9: And then if you look at the Bok billing rates
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  Speaker 9: that the government talks about, the Prime Minister says that
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  Speaker 9: the bolk billing rates have improved under Labor and that
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  Speaker 9: they were plummeting under the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: The fact is that they.
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  Speaker 9: Were eighty eight percent when the Prime Minister took office
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  Speaker 9: in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: They're now it's seventy seven percent.
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  Speaker 9: And the Prime Minister says in his other lies that well.
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  Speaker 4: Hospital funding was cut.
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  Speaker 9: Well, when I was Health Minister, hospital funding increased by
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  Speaker 9: sixteen percent and hospital funding increased every year when we
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  Speaker 9: were in government. So I think the Prime Minister has
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  Speaker 9: been caught out, and to be honest, I think we
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  Speaker 9: probably should.
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  Speaker 4: Have called him out a lot earlier than we have.
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  Speaker 9: The ads obviously are impactful that Labour's got out there,
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  Speaker 9: but they're completely full of lies and people now are
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  Speaker 9: seeing that they've got a prime minister who has a
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  Speaker 9: problem with the truth. And I think it's clear that
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  Speaker 9: at this election we've got the prospect of a Labor
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  Speaker 9: Green's government, a big spending government, the biggest spender in
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  Speaker 9: forty years since whitlam Or. We've got a responsible economic
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  Speaker 9: manager and the coalition and that's really.
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  Speaker 4: I think what this election will come down to.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's good to see you calling out these false
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  Speaker 1: assertions directly, but frankly a lot of other people should
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  Speaker 1: be calling them out as well. I've seen him and
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  Speaker 1: Jim Charmers say that they've reduced debt in this country
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  Speaker 1: when debt has only grown and has going to top
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  Speaker 1: a trillion dollars. But what they're really talking about is
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  Speaker 1: how they've reduced the forecast, which is meaningless. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned there a Labor Green's government. We've heard from
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  Speaker 1: the Green's leader Adam Ban today. He's laying out very
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  Speaker 1: clearly his policy demands to form a minority government, a
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  Speaker 1: Labor Green's government with Anthony Arbaneasy. He's talking about bringing
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  Speaker 1: dental into medicare, universal free childcare, ending the logging of
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  Speaker 1: a native forest and also going back to negative gearing
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  Speaker 1: changes the kind that Labour put up to elections ago.
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  Speaker 1: This is a fair suite of demands. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that he'll have any success?
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 9: I think the most worrying thing out of all of
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  Speaker 9: this is that there is an enormous amount of sympathy
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  Speaker 9: in Anthony Albanesi's left wing government for the sorts of
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  Speaker 9: things that Adam Bant is putting on the table. I
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  Speaker 9: think he would get a receptive hearing to all of
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  Speaker 9: the impacts as you point out to forestry, et cetera,
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  Speaker 9: from the Labor Party, because that's what tender Plimisek believes.
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  Speaker 9: And Anthony Alberesi is the most left leaning prime Minister
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  Speaker 9: or leader of the Labor Party since GoF Whitlam, and
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  Speaker 9: he has a natural sympathy for these arguments as well.
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  Speaker 9: And what we also know is that Anthony Alberanzi has
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  Speaker 9: introduced an unrealized capital gains tax for people who make
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  Speaker 9: a capital gain in their superinnuation even before the acts
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  Speaker 9: that is sold. So that's going down the track of
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  Speaker 9: Ji Cindra Allen in Victoria. And of course the Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister hasn't ruled out in question time over this term
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  Speaker 9: that they would make changes to the tax treatment of
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  Speaker 9: the family home and negative gearing. So if you think
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  Speaker 9: that these are just crazy Adam Bant thought bubbles, these
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  Speaker 9: are concepts that have been discussed actively by Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 9: and Anthony Albanzi.
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  Speaker 4: So the risk is real, it's great.
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  Speaker 9: And if Australians who are thinking that this election, well
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  Speaker 9: Anthony Alberzi, you know he's only had three years, will
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  Speaker 9: probably give him a go. What damage can he do
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  Speaker 9: in three years? The answer is an enormous amount. He
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  Speaker 9: can do it incredibly damaging three years ahead with Adam
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  Speaker 9: band and if they continue to spend like they have
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  Speaker 9: then we will see further inflationary pressures in the economy
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  Speaker 9: and that just means higher interest rates at the next
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  Speaker 9: you know, in the next term of parliament, and that
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  Speaker 9: would be devastating for homeowners who are already struggling with
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  Speaker 9: twelve interest increases under this government.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi says he wouldn't deal with the Greens after
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  Speaker 1: an election if there's a hung parliament, though, but Adam
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  Speaker 1: band is saying that's nonsense. He's saying he will have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with me. And here's what I want.
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  Speaker 9: Their blood brothers, Anthony Alberanzi and Adam Bant joined at
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  Speaker 9: the hip. Only their mothers can tell them apart. So
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  Speaker 9: I just think this is a huge problem that you
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  Speaker 9: can't pretend that and again this is a lie by
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  Speaker 9: the prime minister. The Prime Minister will jump into bed
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  Speaker 9: with the Greens after the election if it means that
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  Speaker 9: that's what he has to do to get into government.
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  Speaker 9: And the Labor Party in Tasmania went into a coalition.
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  Speaker 9: Julia Gillard went into a coalition. Anthony Alberanzi is about,
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  Speaker 9: you know this much difference between his philosophy and his
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  Speaker 9: ideology and that of Adam Bants. He masks it well,
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  Speaker 9: but I promise you in a second term he'd be
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  Speaker 9: boalshy and very keen to do whatever we could to
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  Speaker 9: get the support of the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've fleshed out more details on your gas policy today,
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  Speaker 1: getting more gas into the domestic market that will lower
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  Speaker 1: prices and flow through to lower electricity prices. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: That much we can all agree on. But the former
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  Speaker 1: West Australian Premier, Liberal Premier Colin Barnett says the policy
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  Speaker 1: is a good one, but it needs to go further.
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  Speaker 1: That you should be reserving fifteen percent of gas reserves
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  Speaker 1: on the East Coast from those who are exporting to
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  Speaker 1: put into the domestic market. Why haven't you gone that far?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Chris, We've done two things.
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  Speaker 9: One is that we want to increase supply because labor
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  Speaker 9: has done everything they can to stop new gas projects
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  Speaker 9: from proceeding. So bringing more supply and will bring the
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  Speaker 9: price down. And that much we know in the Frontier
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  Speaker 9: Economics Report cites the figure of twenty three percent, almost
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  Speaker 9: a quarter the cost of wholesale gas comes down by
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  Speaker 9: and the reason that's important is that gas obviously is
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  Speaker 9: used across society for heavy manufacturers. We were at Blue
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  Speaker 9: Scope today and they are very supportive of our policy
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  Speaker 9: because their electricity and gas bills have just gone up
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  Speaker 9: by millions of dollars over the tens of millions of
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  Speaker 9: dollars over the course of last twelve months under this government.
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  Speaker 9: So bringing more gas supply into the market through faster
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  Speaker 9: approvals and working with the gas companies is important, but
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  Speaker 9: also honoring the foundation contracts, So where contracts already exist
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  Speaker 9: with Japan, for example, we want to honor those, but
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  Speaker 9: the gas that's sold beyond that, we want it to
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  Speaker 9: come back into the domestic market and that way we
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  Speaker 9: can achieve the outcome that we need with more supply
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  Speaker 9: to bring prices down here. And look, Chris, the beauty
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  Speaker 9: of this policy is that it, like the cut that
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  Speaker 9: we've announced to the fuel excise, to the fuel tax,
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  Speaker 9: it has an economy wide benefit.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just when you or your partner fill.
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  Speaker 9: The car up or your kids fill their car up
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  Speaker 9: that your household is benefiting. This helps tradees, it helps
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  Speaker 9: pension it helps delivery truck drivers, it helps the farmer,
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  Speaker 9: and that brings pressure price pressure.
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  Speaker 4: Down across the economy.
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  Speaker 9: And if we do this in relation to gas as well,
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  Speaker 9: it's not just your electricity bill go down at home,
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  Speaker 9: because gas is such a big part of generating electricity
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  Speaker 9: and creating electricity. It's also going to be the case
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: that we can bring down the cost of steel, as
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: Bluescope said today, and we can bring down the cost
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: of bricks.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: We're at brickwork the other day, and you know they
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: have a big part to play in the economy.
• 18:33
  Speaker 9: Every manufacturer, the creation, you know, the manufacture of fertilizer
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: for farms, has an enormous amount.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Of energy required through that process.
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: So I think there is an option to bring down
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: costs across the economy, to increase gas supply and to
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: increase the number of gas fields, and I think we
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: achieve pretty much what we need to.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Out of our policy.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Queensland's announced now that they're going to go for some
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: more gas generation and extend the life of their coal
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: fired bad power generators. That's going to be good for
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: secure supplies and good for prices, but doesn't also demonstrate
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that net zero by twenty fifty is dead, that it
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: just can't be achieved on current policies by Labor or
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the Coalition.
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: But Chris, I think what it demonstrates is that you've
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: got a state government in Queensland now that actually has
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: an eye on cost. The Labor Party just doesn't care
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: what the end cost of electricity is and that's why
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: it's gone up by thirty two percent under this government.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: And that's what gas has gone up by thirty four
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: percent as well. And one thing you know about the
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: Prime Minister's offering at this election is that he's looking
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: the Australian public in the eye and he's not saying
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: to the mistime that you'll get a two undred and
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: seventy five dollars cut. He's promising them that electricity and
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: gas will be higher under him in the next term.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: So David Chris o'folly I think has done the right
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: thing here. He has the capacity to lower the cost
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: of electricity and gas in Queensland to create a competitive
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: advantage for businesses there and other state governments have extended
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: a life of coal and that's an essential or the
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: lights go out. So I think there is part of
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: the emotion being replaced with reality now and our gas policy.
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: We've been very clear that we need to have a
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: real disruption to the renewables only train wreck that Chris
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Bowen and Anthony Albanezi advocating. And I'm sure that common
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: sense prevails in this space and it is in our
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: policy because I want to bring prices down and that's
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: exactly what our gas plan, which is all about natural gas.
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: Our natural gas Australia's natural gas being for Australians just.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Quickly because they're almost out of time. You've got your
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: campaign launch on Sunday. Is that where we will hear
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: more detail about how you can tackle our fiscal situation.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: We've got debt and deficit as far as the eyes
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the eye can see, and we've got no realistic plan
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: now from coalition or labor to get that under control
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: so that the budget is sustainable.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: Chris, I think, and you've been central to government as well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: so you know the space well and you're an expert
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: commentator in relation to these matters. But coalition governments always
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: manage the economy more effectively. Many of us come from
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: a business background. We've created businesses, we've employed people. We
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: understand what it is to help businesses grow. There have
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: been thirty thousand small businesses close under the course of
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: under the stewardship of the Prime Minister, that the highest
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: record of small businesses have closed over the last twelve
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: months in our country's history. And behind every story, famili's
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: lost their home or their savings, or their jobs, their dreams.
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: So we can make the decisions which will make our
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: budget and our whole offering to the Australian people more sustainable.
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: People realize that this is a sliding doors moment election
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: for our country. We have the prospect of a recession
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: in the United States recession. We don't know what's going
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: to happen with the war in Europe or in the
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: Middle East. We don't know what's going to happen in
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: the South China Sea. And I think now is not
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: a time for a labor Green's government, which is led
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: by a prime minister who's demonstrated that he's weak and
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: always late to the situation that needs to be addressed.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: He's out of his depth.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: And on the other hand, a coalition that's got an
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: experienced team. And I want to be a strong prime
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: minister for our country that can make the decisions necessary
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: to get our budget back in order to help families
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: recover from the three years of labor And what I
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: do know from speaking to thousands of Australians over the
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: course of the last three years as we've moved around
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: the country, is that our country just can't afford three
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: more years of the Albanzi government.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, it's good to hear that your father, Bruce
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: is recovering. It must have made last night's debate very
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: difficult for you with that going on in the background.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Do you hope you can get the campaign to Queensland
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and pop in and see him sometimes soon.
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, Chris, obviously it's on your mind. And I'm
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: just really lucky. I've got amazing siblings who are there
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: with data at the moment. And he's good. I spoke
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: to him this morning. He's got some great care where
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: he is, and he's very appreciative as I am, as
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: our family is for literally thousands of messages well wishes
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: that have come in and I'm really truly grateful and
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: very touched actually by that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I hope to get to see him very soon.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us and happy campaigning.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, appreciate it. What I'll speak Sir Peter.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Dutton there, he's got a good message to sell. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: think he's got to really talk up the importance of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this election, how vital it is for the future of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: this country, and he's starting to do that more strongly now.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He needs to talk himself hoarse over the next four weeks.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break now. On the other side,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up with One Nation leader pau
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Leen Hanson get her take on the election campaign. Let's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: go Queensland now and catch up with One Nation founder
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and leader Pauline Hanson. Good to talk to you again, Paulina.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I wanted to start off by getting your thoughts on
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the People's Forum last night. You know, swinging voters, undersided,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: voters picked at random, asking their questions. There some hardy
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: perennials there. We got both sides of the immigration debate.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Some worried about too many people coming here, others worried
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: about migrants being demonised, and also concerns about foreign investors
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: buying up housing in this country.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: Correct, Chris, I thought with the debate, I thought Peter
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: Dutton handled himself very well with that debate, and he
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: put the point across, and he questioned the Prime Minister
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: and called him out for his life or missed misleading
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: the general public. What it also told me is that
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: the public are fed up. Most of the public that
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: I speak to don't follow politics right, They're not interested.
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: They distanced themselves from it and so hence last night,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: to me, the argument was when it came out four
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: to thirty five, I was shocked. We follow politics all
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: the time. We know what the issues are and we
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: know you know the truth behind these matters. The general
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: public don't, so it's who sold their argument. So when
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: twenty one people are still undecided, that tells me neither
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: one convinced them. They're not happy with either side to
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: actually do they believe these leaders of our nation. And
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: that's what it tells me. People are fed up. They
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: are struggling, cost of living. You saw the hands that
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: went up. They're fed up. They don't know who to
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: believe anymore. Like I said, the general public turn off
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: from politics.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I thought, and that's an accurate observation that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people only dip into politics when they
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: need to, and they're probably all the wiser for it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: in many ways. But I thought there was one telling
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a moment from the Prime Minister when he tried to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: pretend that our out of control immigration. That's what it is.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It's way over the target. It's even this government set.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: He tried to play it down as a problem.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Here's Anthony Abanezi.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Truth is, the population today is lower than what was
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: anticipated in twenty and nineteen. It was going to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: the migration levels fell in the last year by thirty
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: one percent in one level.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Nothing to see here from Anthony Aberaneesi, move on.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: That's a ridiculous statement for him to make. We weren't
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: supposed to reach about twenty seven million to about twenty
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: forty twenty fifty. I just don't know figures off the
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: toime my head, Chris. We are head of what we
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: were predicted to be at this time, so that's rubbish.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: And it did go up considerably. One half million people
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: came into the country under this government, so people know
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: they're feeling the effects of high immigration into the country.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: He lied about nothing. He said about free tathe Let
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: me tell you viewers about free tape because I read
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: the documents. They're actually going to put another one and
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: a half billion dollars into it. Under this government. We've
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: got eighty thousand fewer apprenticeships, there's only a thirteen percent
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: pass rate in the Taife colleges. And on top of
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: that they're going to open up for foreign foreign visa holders.
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: So you tell me, is that in the best interests
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: of Australians. No, it's not. He lied about medicare. Yes,
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Peter Dutton was right. The rebate is less under this
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: government than what it was in the former government coalition government.
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: We have three billion dollars that has been ripped off
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: from the system, which they're not prepared to actually investigate.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: People are paying with their credit cards. They can't get it,
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: and most of the people out there can't even get
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: in to see a doctor, let alone get you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: rebates from it on the medicare. So again he's lied.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: And another thing I'll say, Chris, is he said they're
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: going to have eighty seven clinics open for medical He
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: promised fifty under the last election, only two run twenty
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: four to seven. He said fifty would be running twenty
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: four seven. This Prime minister, you cannot trust a word
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: that he says. I'm and tired of the wise, the
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: misrepresentation and all the promise that's out there given to people,
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: the same old bloody retric and nothing happens.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well tell you what. Also, the other point you
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: touched on there when it comes to medical services, we
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: just need more doctors and we've got to stop the doctors'
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: unions effectively controlling the numbers. We need to churn out
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: more doctors so that demand is prices fall through competition
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to gap payments.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: And also we get.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: More doctors into regional areas where they're desperately needed. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that's something that Peter Dutton has mentioned, but it's a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: policy we need to follow through on.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I just want to get your.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Thoughts also on your star candidate in Tasmania, your own
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: daughter Lee running for the Senate in Tasmania.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: His years.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I have some tremendous values and qualities that my mother
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: has passed me, so I stand by her, and here
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I am as well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a remarkable thing. Really could have a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: mother daughter team in the Senate.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Lee.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Look as a younger person, she's probably got more moderate
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: views than she than you? Or does she agree with
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you on everything?
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: Come on, Chris, Come on, Chris, get over that, will you.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: I've raised a lot of the issues over the years
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: that create a debate. We found answers to it. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: you criticized me for things that I've raised. You know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: tell me something that I've been totally wrong on.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just asked you something, Okay, Immigration.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: Most culturalists and all this, Okay.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking you whether you and Lee agree on everything?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: Look, we've got differences. She's the younger generation. You know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: we've had our differences with the pay grap with women,
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: the pay gap. And I said, well, where do they
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: have the differences with pay gap? And I said my attitude.
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: I've had my own business and I said, Hanson, I
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: want to advertise if I want a female that I
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: think is the best for to run my business and
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: work in my own business. And she said, on we
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: can't do that. And I said, well, why waste my
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: time If I'm going to get someone that a male's
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: not going to hang around because he's looking for a
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: full time job, so you waste my time training them.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: You know, there's different things, yes, we disagree with, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: she puts a different perspective on it. So I listen
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: to what she has to say. From the younger generation.
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: She's working in HR, she's working in corporate, she's working
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: in tazz University, She's worked with these people. She's a
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: very smart girl. I'm very proud of her, and I'm
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: telling all the people on Tazzy, if you want true
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: representation and Tazzy, you vote for Lee Hanson.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Well, fantastic. It's great that she wants to follow you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: into the vocation of politics because she's seen how tough
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it is. Yes, she's still putting up her hand. Thanks
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for Johnny's again, Pauline. I appreciate it. Pauline Hanson there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's going to be fascinating, isn't imagine if her daughter
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Lee gets into the centate as well.
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break on the other side
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: of We're going to check in on queens down again.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: We're in our opting for more coal longer and guest
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: gas generation too. A really upending energy policy in the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Sunshine State. There's big changes veiled today in Queensland when
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it comes to their energy policy. I want to look
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: at it because it's very important for Queensland but also
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: very impactful on what's happening around the country. Let's catch
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: up with Graham Lloyd, who's the environment editor at the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Australian newspaper. Good to talk to you again, Graham. Just
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: give us an outline of what Queensland's decided to do.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: They're sort of calling time on the full on renewables
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: push and getting back to some fossil fuel energy.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's good, good evening, Crease.
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: It's really a bit of a turning point because, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: other places, the long term labor government in Queensland went
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: all in on the renewables push, and with the change
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: of government, the quasi fully government has come.
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: In and has had a look at it. It's been
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: a few months.
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: But now they've outlined their plan for a five year
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: plan to really take stock and take control of the
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: energy sector. Involves investing in the cold generators that currently
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: provide sixty percent of Queensland's electricity and building a new
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: gas peak of plant to back up renewables that's there,
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: and scrap a lot of the overblown promises that were
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: made for pumped hydro and other things, and put a
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: bit of discipline back into how the private sector interacts
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: with the state to deliver any renewable projects that may
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: be there. If you look at it holistically, it's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: pragmatic approach that says, well, preserve what you've got and
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: make a better plan, which is something that's probably been
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: missing nationally up to this point.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it strikes me as a really welcome reality check.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: As you say, the renewables and those forms of energy
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: will stay in place and people can still invest in that,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but they're prioritizing security of supply and keeping prices down
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: by sticking with what we know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Here's the Treasurer.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: We've been saying for some time that COULFI generation is
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: an important part of the stability of the grid as
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: we progress the energy roadmap. A key part of that
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: is understanding col fire generators lifespans, technical lifespans, because we
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: will not abandon Queenslanders and give them higher power bills
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: at a time when they can least afford it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Graham, it strikes me that under the Chris Fully government
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they're just acting sooner and more wisely. Because we've seen
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in other states sort of last minute bids to keep
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: coal and subsidize coal powered generators to keep going when
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they've sort of realized at the eleventh hour that they're
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: going to be running out of power. Queensland's acting a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: little bit more, a little bit more precipitously.
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: Yes, I think that drug quis they've got the advantage
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: that they own the generators through sort of corporatized companies,
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: so they.
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: Can direct them what to do.
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: The main thing is they've said, look, we need to
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: de risk this transition because what we're seeing elsewhere and
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: was looming in Queensland that there's a lot of risk
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: that things are going to fail and the buck stops
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: with the state.
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: So they've made the decision well let's get ahead of
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: the curve, and they're doing it in a timely fashion.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Of course, Queensland's part of the National Electricity Gridd. It
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: links into New South Wales and sometimes sends energy electricity south.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So if this secures more supply in Queensland and keeps
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: prices low, that should help the other states as well,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and even Tasmania.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: That's right, This is a good thing to have.
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: Some stability of supply somewhere is going to help everybody.
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: And if you look iv Queensland supplying the East Coast
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: with gas, it's got the youngest and best performing coal
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: fleet and that looks like that going to continue unless
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: other jurisdictions sort of take the same pragmatic decisions.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It's also another indication as if we needed it, although
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton wouldn't buy into that when I interviewed EIM
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: earlier in the program, But that is that net zero
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: by twenty fifty in this country, if anywhere is just
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: not happening, is it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: The message that's been sent with this decision.
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: Here is Look, we're going to form our targets to
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: represent the reality of what's going on. I think that,
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: you know, pragmatic comment was made. We're going to remain
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: committed to a twenty fifty net zero target because that's
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: what liberates international capital for investment. Now we'll see whether
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: that investment is available and twenty fifty is a long
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: time away, but Queensland's certainly going to revisit the twenty thirty,
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: twenty thirty five targets and others because they don't want
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: to be put in to the pressure situation when decisions
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: that are not in the interesting taxpayers and state residents
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: are made because of these artificial deadlines that have been set.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for joining us, Graham, fantastic explanation.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Graham Lloyd, the Environment editor at the Australian newspaper.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to catch up with the Wednesday Wrangle after
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: this break ken to talk to them about the blow
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: up in the US now over Donald Trump's tariff wars.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle and on the desk
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: as usual is late debate co host Liz Storer, Liz,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you've scared Justin Away again. Not really, he's off the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: ABC again, and Joe Hiold around here.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Morphed into justice Justin Now.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Look, we don't want to get debate fatigue here, but
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: we all had a good look at last night and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: tonight we've got Jim Charmers and Angus Taylor going head
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to head. Do we expect fireworks there?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I hope so.
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, Lord knows the debate over economic policy needs
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: some fireworks, I think to make some pretty good television.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: But I think they're both. They're both fairly strong performers.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: I think last night Albow and Dunton both performed well.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: I think probably Angus Taylor has more right as Peter
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: Dutton did last night. Angus Taylor has more writing on
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: tonight's result than Jim Chalmers does. But it will be
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: very interesting. I will be there, I'll be glued to
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: the set. I'll be writing my little analysis.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I think Rossroscreenwood is hosting it. I think he'll niggle
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: them a bit. But I'd back Angus Taylor for his
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: economic expertise over Jim Chalmers all the time. But Jim
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Chalmers always has a good political line.
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Look, I mean I found myself profoundly underwhelmed last night,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure I will again tonight. Is really, honestly,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think ever before in my lifetime the two
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: major parties have more resembled a UNI party right now,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the average puncher on the street, the only difference they
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: know going to the polling box is they'll get cheap
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: of petrol with Dutton and nuclear is on the agenda.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to the differences, I just I
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: think it's dismally disappointing. It's just and all the topics
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: that we talk about on a nightly basis, freedom of speech,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the gender wars, the lives just haven't taken up the baton.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: They're doing nothing about men and women's sports.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They're the ones you told you to.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Report your friends and family to azo. They've supported every
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: restriction on free speech that the laborers come up with.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just ridiculous.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: They're the ones who invented the Safety Commissioner. They're the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: ones who are also refusing to withdraw from the Paris Agreements.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Are just like this is dismally disappointing. What's your point
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: of difference here, guys authorized by the ALP, But this
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: is just it. I have never felt less tribal because
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know what, you flogs are just
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: bring each other to an extent that I'm like.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: This is pathetic.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Even dont and say, oh, we're going to slash immigration
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: really by one hundred and fifty thousand people over the
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: course of four years, that's not slashing immigration.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem. I think we've got the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: country going to hell in the handbasket, but we're not
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: talking about just how dramatic that choice is, and everyone's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: just that our system means you're just targeting this cohort
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of undecided in the middle like we got last night,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and they're worried the big ideas will scare them away.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: We are looking at deficits for the next forty years
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and a trillion dollars worth of get where's the plan
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to tackle that?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: It's a very good question.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: I think there's no appetite to tackle that at all
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: from either side, so there is a lot of me
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: tooism going on. You're right, but I also think that
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: in times of economic uncertainty and economic crisis, all those
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: sort of big values issues like Liz was talking about.
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's no greater champion of free speech than me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: But you know, people don't care about that right now.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: They don't care about all those sort of quote unquote
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: culture war issues. They just care about food on the table,
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: money in their pocket. And also, I think in times
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: of great uncertainty, they care about stability and a safe
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: pair of hands, and that's what we know.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Neither are delivering on that either.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: Joe Well, I think people will go to you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: there's a bit of a pox on both their houses.
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: But I think people think better the devil, you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: but everywhere else around the world is going to hell
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: in a handbasket. And this has come up in the
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: focus groups that we've done as well with Redbridge, that
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: people think, at least we know that Anthony Albanezi, we
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: know what he's like, we know what he can do.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, China knows what he's like.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: We're going to hear from either the Treasurer or the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Shadow Treasurer tonight about pulling our socks up, tightening our abouts.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Are either of them going to cut back on government
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: spending We've already heard the budget speech and the budget
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: reply speech. They're both as bad as each other, which
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: means inflation is not going down.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Well, government spending crucial. What about productivity. We've got the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: whole economy run by the unions. Our productivity is slat
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: voting and no one's going to do anything change it. Well,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: at least I've got to take it to the election.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It is frustrating. I tell what was frustrating was this
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: little snippet from someone on the ABC last night.
• 41:07
  Speaker 13: Have a look, I have watched the first leader's debate
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: of the election campaign, so you could spend your time
• 41:13
  Speaker 13: catching up with the season finale of The White Lotus.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: You are welcome.
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: Will it change anybody's vote? Probably not, because it was
• 41:20
  Speaker 13: broadcast on Sky News, which has a tiny audience, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: it was behind a paywall. But it will be widely
• 41:25
  Speaker 13: analyzed in the rest of the media in coming days
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: and it can change voter perceptions that way.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Talk about a waste of government money and there's someone
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I'm paying three or four hundred thousand dollars a year
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: by those prayers to do what a weekly spot on
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: TV is to do it Sky News. If we've got
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: this tiny audience that reaches eleven million people a month.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I think we pay our own wayley the advertisers and subscribers.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: We produce what people will pay to watch. I don't
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: think that's ever happened at.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: The av See.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Now, let's get onto something a little bit more important.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Have a look at what Adam Bantt.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Was on about today.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: The Greens are within reach of winning seats right across
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the country, and in a minority government we can make
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: things happen, But Greens we will keep dutting out and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: get labor to act on the cost of living, housing
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and climate crisis. With more Greens, we can put more
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: pressure on labor.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: See Liz.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That's why this election is more consequential than you suggest,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: because what you'll get if labor is returned is not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: just more of the same, but a Labor Greens alliance
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: that will be incredibly worse.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think the idea of that Libs actually
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: flipping twenty three seats is out of the question. I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people are being misled by an
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: encouraging poll here or there. Genuinely, people are like, oh,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if the Libs are going to get up, Liz,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, of God, they're not going to get up.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: He would take an act of God. And because we
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: know that a hung parliament is quite likely. What the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Australian wrote up as Adam Band's ransom note to the
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Labor Party today, I thought that was very well put
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: because as much as the Labor Party has sworn through
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: their teeth they will not make a deal with the Greens.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: We know if it comes to the case of a
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: minority government, they'll do a deal with anyone in order
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to keep hold of government.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Of course it'll be with the Greens. That's what we're
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: looking at. We're looking at an alb and easy Band government.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Well, the Greens will support Lab because I can't support
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: the coalition without losing all their credibility among their trotty
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: little followers. And so the Alpay has actually got the
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Greens over a barrel. It doesn't have to concede anything
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: to them, and it did it in twenty ten. That's
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: why that was such an incredibly poor strategic decision. It's
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: just you know, you go with them, that's right idiotic
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: and it will never ever happen again. They've learned their
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: lesson In fact, all the polls show that Labor is
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: unlikely to have to even form a minority government, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: even if it does fall just short of the majority,
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: there's plenty of people they could go to before the
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: Greens anyway. And again, if the Greens want to block
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: vote with the coalition and block labor legislation like I
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: did with the housing package, that is actually the number
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: one Achilles heel for the Greens in Queensland, and they
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: might be losing seats as a result of that, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: so there could be even fewer Green Cross benches to
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: do a deal with. So they've got no power whatsoever
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: and they know they're losing power, and that I reckon
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: is why Adam Batt has come up to try to
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: tar Labor with the same thing that brought it down
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen, in the hope that Labor will shared
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: votes and then the Greens become are powerful. So they're
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: actually trying to sabotage Labor, not do a deal.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, samotage them and then then do a deal and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: then rely on getting controlling them effect. That's right, that's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: being the tale that to.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Fight for a majority labor government, guys get on board.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Good lord, I'll tell you what if you think that
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the country is engaged in national self harm, Now, wait
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and see how we're going in a month. Let's check
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: in on the US, where this tariff debate is continuing
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and someone's actually trying to stick up for Australia in
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the center, and have a look.
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: They have a trade surplus with Australia, we have a
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: trade agreement. Why they are incredibly important national security partner?
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: Why were they whacked with.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: A tariff Senator despite the agreement.
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: They ban our beef, they ban our pork.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: They're getting ready to impose measures on.
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: Your Greek letter formula. The fact that we have a
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: trade surplus.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: We have a global tariff on everywhere.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I'm with the Democrat for Australia.
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: I'm honestly, why what are we doing?
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: They're doing us in for I was like, who is
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: this bloke and why does he care about us? But
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: thanks mate, of course he's going to get absolutely no
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: where no one was exempt. No one was exempt, and
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: we got off as lightly as we could.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, except we haven't because the massive tariffs they're putting
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: on China and India, two of our largest export markets.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: And that's what's going to hurt us. It's not the
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: ten percent two way trade we have with the US.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: It's the fact that if the Chinese economy slows, then
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: they stopped buying our staff. That means our economy slows.
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: And that's why everyone so.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Well, which Alba is going to love because he can
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: just keep using that an excuse for any kind of
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: economic diace. We may be in a recession, but it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: because of Trunk School for tariff.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this little explainer from US sixty
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: minutes on how tariffs work. A tariff is a tax
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: or a foreign country. That's the way it is, whether
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you like it, and that A lot of people like
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's a tax or US.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's a tax on a foreign country. It's
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: a tax on a country that's ripping us off and
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: stealing our job.
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: But most any importer or economist will tell you the
• 46:34
  Speaker 14: President is mistaken. Tariffs are not a tax on a
• 46:40
  Speaker 14: foreign country. The tax is paid by the importer. In
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: the United States. For example, Walmart imports goods from China,
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: and when those goods cross into the United States, Walmart
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: pays the tariff. If Walmart decides to pass the cost
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: to consumers. Then you paid the tariff, not China.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Liz, I know that all the Trump supporters
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: are going to say this is the legius legacy media
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: having to Trump again. But they're right. This is going
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to increase the cost of everything in the US. It'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: be paid for by US consumers. That's this going to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: be held to pay when the country comes onto that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot of pain.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: But he's trying to put the pressure on the federal
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Reserve and he doesn't care if he has to watch
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the world burn until that happens. He's basically playing chess
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: while everybody else is playing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Checkers, and he's made.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: He's literally boasted about this.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, he's boasted.
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: Let the world burn.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I don't care. This is what I'm trying to do.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: He's made it very clear via here his own t
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: saying it'll be popular with anyone, it's a safer place.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: When he was trying to get re election. Now it's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: just his last shot, and who knows what's going to happen.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is the thing. This is
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: Trump two point, it's Trump unfedad. I'm not a sort
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: of man bad sort of. Trump is terrible and everything,
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: but this is an absolutely awful decision and it will
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: have terrible consequences, and none more terrible than for themselves.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, troubled times ahead. Thanks for joining us, Liz
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and Joe. They'll both be back tonight for the late debate.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Guedlin.